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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, or should I say ho ho ho?

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Speaker 1: It's me Matt Rogers And in the words of another

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Speaker 1: Christmas icon, it's time. I'm back with my new nationwide tour,

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Speaker 1: Matt Rogers Christmas in December. Yes, it's time to remember

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Speaker 1: when Christmas is. I'm hitting the road all of December

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Speaker 1: with Henrykoperski and the whole band performing my album Have

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Speaker 1: You Heard Of Christmas, along with a bunch of other

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Speaker 1: little surprises. So if you're in La San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: Rogers though and hit the link in my bio. Until then,

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Speaker 1: stream the album, get your look together and get ready

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Speaker 1: to deck the damn halls at a venue near you

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Speaker 1: Christmas in December. You in my heart XO XO Santa Boy,

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Speaker 1: look mare, oh oh, I see.

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Speaker 2: You my own and look over there is that the

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Speaker 1: Loves culture ding dun't culture cult calling.

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Speaker 3: You really spaced out your your syllables there, you know

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Speaker 3: I'm really thinking about the sounds I'm making and being

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Speaker 3: so intentional about them because I'm actually reporting to you

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Speaker 3: live from.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rapids, Michigan. Let's go. I'm in the home state

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Speaker 1: of one Henriko Perski and we are what rehearsing for

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Speaker 1: the Christmas in disbrator and celebrating Thanksgiving. You know, there

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Speaker 1: are some celebrations there definitely is breaking of bread.

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Speaker 3: Oh, my favorite thing to break, well, one of the

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Speaker 3: best things you can break, to be honest, Well, the

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Speaker 3: thing that you break and people are happy that it's broken.

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Speaker 3: And that's a role of culture. Number sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: Yes, bread, bread, that's the thing that you break and

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Speaker 1: people are happy that it's broken because everyone's going to

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Speaker 1: be full. The best thing to be outside of happy

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Speaker 1: parentheses generally, yes, I want to check in with my girl,

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Speaker 1: happy parentheses.

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Speaker 3: Generally, I couldn't be happy.

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Speaker 1: She ate that. Yeah, let's talk about Wicked for Good,

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Speaker 1: a film in which you star. Fifth Billing. I said,

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Speaker 1: let's get the sagnam.

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Speaker 3: Let me demystify some things for everybody. So the way

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Speaker 3: Billing works with these things is not at all commendate

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Speaker 3: with someone's involvement. Important disagree hard disagree. It is a

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Speaker 3: it is a thing that are the wonderful brokers, the

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Speaker 3: people behind the scenes with these deals, and these contracts

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Speaker 3: work out on your behalf trust and believe. I was

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Speaker 3: not out here fighting for billing over my incredible co

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Speaker 3: co starts who inarguably do incredible, more important, more emotionally

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Speaker 3: resonant work in this film. Let's just let's just leave

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Speaker 3: that there. And I'm sorry if that pisses people off.

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Speaker 3: It's not my fault. It's just how the bits works. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Can I say something? Can I say something here? Can

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Speaker 3: I offer something back?

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Speaker 1: I can confidently say you were my fifth favorite thing

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Speaker 1: about the movie, So I'm fifth bills.

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Speaker 3: But MICHELLEO and Jeff Goldloom are whatever, like seventh and eighth, right, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows about the with and the and the W

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Speaker 1: esteeme like there. But basically, if you are and blank,

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Speaker 1: what they're saying is thank you for deigning to do this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: no matter what movie you're in, if you are in

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Speaker 1: the and Jeff Goldbloom in this case, spot it means

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Speaker 1: thank you king, thank you kidding. It's actually different culture

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Speaker 1: speak for thank you kidding, your name means thank you

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Speaker 1: kidding or and there's something very powerful about if it's

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Speaker 1: your name on the credit, and then what follows is

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Speaker 1: as the cowardly lion, oh absolutely period, or.

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Speaker 3: As doctor Dilloman. Yes, And that's another cultural way of

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Speaker 3: saying thank you, King to Peter Dinklin and Coleman Domingo

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Speaker 1: I would say that with is also it's like the

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Speaker 1: silver Medal, Like if it's with Michelle Yo, it's like

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Speaker 1: thank you, queen, thank you, really truly thank you. But

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Speaker 1: also like you're in the cast, Jeff Goldbe occupies verified

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Speaker 1: air as the end, and the only thing more valuable

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Speaker 1: than that is of course and well yes, which is

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Speaker 1: of course and introducing oh, and introducing means we are

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Speaker 1: ready to really say something. So here's what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't really that that we didn't get that in

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Speaker 1: this movie, but that doesn't mean there wasn't great esteem

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Speaker 1: in the casting. And when I say when I saw

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Speaker 1: you fifth Build, I did the math and I said

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Speaker 1: he was my fifth favorite thing. What were the what

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Speaker 1: thing and covering and to get the PG rating. You know,

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Speaker 1: they shot an alternate take where Jonathan Bailey's nipples were covered.

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Speaker 1: got all slank it. I I log on and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what did you want? Did you want quivering quivering Cynthia

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Speaker 1: Kate Winslet in Titanic. No, you need this to be PG.

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Speaker 1: It's wicked. You absolute freaks, You absolute freak. Also you

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Speaker 3: This bitch has been living in a tree for the

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Speaker 3: past twelve Tige turns. She is cozy, she's comfortable, she's cold,

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Speaker 1: She's comfortable, she's comfortable in her skin, green, cozy with

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Speaker 1: who she is slanking Bin down, Bin out? Rewrite it Beyonce, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then she topped pierrero pegged his hole.

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Speaker 1: You know what happened if Johnny had his way rewrite

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Speaker 3: What an amazing premiere that was in New York. I

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was That was the biggest premiere

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Speaker 1: really so major? They I mean, they just they go

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Speaker 1: for it because it is a spectacle. Wait, can I

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Speaker 1: say my other top five thing to start? And then

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Speaker 1: you give me a BTS fact about all of them? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So one was a sex clanket. Two Ariana Grande and

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Arrivo at the Doors for Good. Into the Doors.

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Speaker 1: I swear I think of you every single time. I

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Speaker 1: really am powerless to that song and that moment because

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Speaker 1: I just think of you, my best friend, my best friend.

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Speaker 1: And I was sitting across the aisle from you at

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Speaker 3: I don't want to very emotional for the both of us.

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Speaker 3: I love you so much. Okay, so that's the door. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: BTS quick BTS fact about that. Oh, there's there's a

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Speaker 3: let's just clear something up. There's no way to like

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Speaker 1: And there's a couple of things get lost, so this

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Speaker 3: So that that's actual BTS. Well, all I saw about.

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Speaker 1: It was Arianna saying that there were certain parties and listen,

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Speaker 1: in filmmaking, there's always going to be certain party. It's

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Speaker 1: actually a rut of culture number nine and filming as

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Speaker 1: going to be parties, and certain parties wanted to scene

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Speaker 1: think is a conscious choice. Yes, when all the confetti

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Speaker 1: private moment, which, by the way, is one of my

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Speaker 1: A little bit of Ariana Grande came out in the

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Speaker 1: voice and the vocals. Yeah, like it wasn't as resonant

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Speaker 1: and performative. And she killed that And I'll put her

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Speaker 1: under my whole three like, she killed the entire movie,

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Speaker 1: The fact that Cynthia can still you don't really get

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Speaker 1: how far she is pushing it vocally and how I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: no one could take it to the vocal places it goes.

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Speaker 1: That song is also so difficult to learn to sing.

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Speaker 1: And I got to go with them again. Last night

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Speaker 1: we saw it again and we watched No Good Dean,

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Speaker 1: and we all just looked at each other and beamed

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Speaker 1: because that song is so fucking good and Cynthia, no

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Speaker 1: one can sing it like that and hold that stardom

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Speaker 3: And to end on a wide with the monkeys and

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Speaker 3: And I think a number five is me? Oh sorry,

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Speaker 3: number five is you?

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Speaker 1: No? You were no, you wanted to slip something else

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Speaker 1: in there. No, I know what number five is because

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Speaker 1: I came here with my top five. I thought fifth,

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Speaker 1: build my top five. Fanny again, first of all, missus morrible.

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Speaker 1: I know that was improvised.

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Speaker 3: That was well, that was improvised, and no one we

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Speaker 3: did not rehearse any of that.

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Speaker 1: Trust and believe did she just accidentally say missus horrible Brown.

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Speaker 3: Bless her heart. I fucking love you. She is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Give it.

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Speaker 3: Let's give it up for Bronwyn James.

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Speaker 1: Everybody. She to you're Fanny. I see you. I know

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Speaker 1: what it's like to stand next to this bitch on

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Speaker 1: his left at all times, and I felt represented.

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Speaker 3: We switch sides every now and then, me and her.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes you and I switched side. You're just comfortable

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Speaker 3: on the right. You just want to be on the right.

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Speaker 3: Sure I know this about you. We that that was improvised.

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Speaker 3: She said, Missus, you cann't get you anything.

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Speaker 1: This is horrible.

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Speaker 3: And then of course I had to. I had to.

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Speaker 1: I hadsus morrible. She married married.

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Speaker 3: Shout out Fanny to day. On the date of this recording, Sunday,

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Speaker 3: November twenty third, is the last performance of Caje Kennedy,

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Speaker 3: the Fanny in Wicked for the past three years on Broadway.

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Speaker 3: I got to meet her at a tight tea a

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Speaker 1: Was so to the best place. It's t t I

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Speaker 1: And also better call Saul. I mean I was always

433
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Speaker 1: told like, oh, ray Seahorn, Ray Seahorn. For I was like,

434
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Speaker 1: I just wish that that our call Soul was something

435
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Speaker 1: that gave me a little bit of a chub, but

436
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Speaker 1: never sure. Plori booze, plora booze, ploody booze.

437
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Speaker 3: It is very special. I'm really enjoying it. It has

438
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Speaker 3: something to say about, like a lot of things, you

439
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: can really graft on a lot of things about the

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Speaker 3: current day. Onto it anyway, enjoy it. We'll talk about

441
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Speaker 3: it when when, when you're caught up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see you in a few weeks. We'll check

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Speaker 1: in again before the EO Y.

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Speaker 3: For now, enjoy this episode with the one and only

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Speaker 3: Heather Day.

446
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Speaker 2: Look mare, oh, I see you my own and look

447
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Speaker 2: over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost culture.

448
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Speaker 1: Ding dong. Lost culture is just calling It's a day

449
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Speaker 1: that's been in the making. Hm hmm. It's crazy to say, like, well,

450
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Speaker 1: we connected in the South of France dot dot dot

451
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Speaker 1: meaningfully connected in the South of France at a convention

452
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Speaker 1: and then cam con at CAMCN.

453
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Speaker 3: Cam camp Conry convention in cam That's right, and struck

454
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Speaker 3: up a true genuine friendship. And then she shows up

455
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Speaker 3: to the Culture Awards slays it. Crushed, crushed. They were

456
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Speaker 3: the most the biggest stars, the biggest stars in the room. Well,

457
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Speaker 3: Kristen Wigg does her comes in for rehearsal, she does

458
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Speaker 3: her thing. She you know, sees all these places, goes

459
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Speaker 3: to oh yeah, that's person's here, This prince is here,

460
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Speaker 3: freezes in her tracks. The Salt Lake City Girls are coming.

461
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Speaker 1: I said, everyone except Whitney who's in Australia, touring in Australia,

462
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Speaker 1: just to let you know how big the lives have become.

463
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Speaker 1: They're touring in Australia, touring in Australia, at the awards, here, there, everywhere.

464
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a historic episode. Correct me if

465
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Speaker 3: I'm wrong, our first in person housewife in person, Yeah,

466
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Speaker 3: of a current housewife.

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.

468
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: We've obviously had hazwys On before. Yeah, this is breaking

469
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: new ground and I couldn't think of anyone better.

470
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Speaker 1: No, because I think that we've been on record as

471
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: saying that Salt Lake City is the girl.

472
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Speaker 3: She's the one John oliveryone Uncle Bert. Oh, and even

473
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Speaker 3: kind of espoused to the audience the ways in which

474
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Speaker 3: it is Shakespeare.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you start seeing it a crossover. We actually, we

476
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Speaker 1: were just in Pete Town and we rewatched season two

477
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Speaker 1: what we can only call what goes down in the

478
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Speaker 1: Beauty Lab parking lot. Yeah, it doesn't stay in the

479
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Speaker 1: Beauty Lab parking lot. It's all over television in television history.

480
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Speaker 3: But that is minute by minute perfect television.

481
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Speaker 1: I would agree, And it continued to be New York

482
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Speaker 1: Times best selling author of Bad Mormon and good time

483
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Speaker 1: girl star of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City from

484
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Speaker 1: the beginning very much, and I think that everyone would

485
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Speaker 1: agree very much. The protagonist of the show.

486
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Speaker 3: Mogul, Beauty Lapp and Laser m M, I'm dying to go.

487
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Speaker 1: Oh, we're going.

488
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Speaker 3: I want to get an old therah treatment there.

489
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Speaker 1: And actually I want a little bit of a console

490
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Speaker 1: on the episode. Oh yeah, I'm not scared of it.

491
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Speaker 1: I'm not scared of it either. Let's do it. This is,

492
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Speaker 1: I say fearfully.

493
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Speaker 3: This is our truly dear friend. We love her, the one,

494
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Speaker 3: the only Heathery.

495
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Speaker 1: Cold.

496
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Speaker 4: I am so honored to be on most coach. Never

497
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Speaker 4: thought this day would come, but I feel like a

498
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Speaker 4: final It's like important that it's happening now. I think

499
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Speaker 4: my phone is ringing.

500
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Speaker 1: Well, what could what could I possibly be saying?

501
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Speaker 3: Angie cuts and us take up the phone. You take

502
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Speaker 3: up the phone, pick it up and put it on speaker.

503
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Speaker 3: Put on speaker.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Ange Oh she hung on damn so wishy washy

505
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Speaker 1: that one.

506
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Speaker 4: Listen, she probably pans. She's on right now.

507
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Speaker 3: She probably realized that, and we want her onto for

508
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Speaker 3: the phone call.

509
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Speaker 4: Angie k is an incredible friend, an incredible housewife, also

510
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Speaker 4: recommended before the Sizzle reel by me ran on my

511
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 4: behalf and I recommended her year after year until she

512
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Speaker 4: finally was on there.

513
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Speaker 1: Which was what season three they brought her.

514
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Speaker 4: Reason two, they revisited and she came on as a friend.

515
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: Season three she was a friend, and then night full time.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you knew from the beginning.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, she represents such a huge part of Utah and

518
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City specifically, yeah, the Greek community. And

519
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: she has been exactly who she is since she was

520
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: fifteen years old, sitting like reverse on her desk in

521
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Speaker 4: mister Carter's math class, like with a scrunching on top

522
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Speaker 4: of her head, entertaining all of us not knowing a

523
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Speaker 4: single answer to a single math problem, and me being

524
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Speaker 4: so glad I was in a lower math class so

525
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Speaker 4: I could just have fun and make friends and still

526
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Speaker 4: pull in a.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but this was the same math class.

528
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Speaker 4: You're saying, yeah, yeah, this is tenth grade mister Carter's

529
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Speaker 4: math class.

530
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Speaker 3: But then clear this up, because wasn't the narrative on

531
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Speaker 3: the show that you guys did not get along in

532
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Speaker 3: high school? No.

533
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 4: Start on the show was that she hurt my feelings

534
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 4: by coming on the show as Lisa's friend and Jen's friend.

535
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Speaker 1: And that as real.

536
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Speaker 4: And so when she so, the first scene I had

537
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 4: is like I don't like her and I'm not going

538
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Speaker 4: to accept that. And so then we like that, you

539
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 4: know what, we you know, the true nature of our

540
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 4: relationship superseded kind of all of that show bs. You

541
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: know that happened. It's a weird thing.

542
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Speaker 1: You know, hell, I mean it was a great moment.

543
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: Like we were getting ready for the Cultural Awards. It

544
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: was the night before, and I was really racked with nerves,

545
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: and I remember Melissa and I went back to the

546
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Speaker 1: hotel and I look across the lobby and there's Heather

547
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Speaker 1: and Angie coming in from like, I don't know where

548
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: you guys have been. You guys have been out the

549
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: night before the Cultural Awards, Ida cackling, laughing, looking like

550
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: peas in a pot. And I was like, see, we

551
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: haven't really seen this version of Angie and Heather on

552
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, And then to watch it in real life,

553
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is like a part of the

554
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: show I want to see. Yeah, like the two of.

555
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Speaker 4: You, I think you will see more and more of it.

556
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 4: You know because as as like the friendships change and

557
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: evolve and deep in like we just are more comfortable

558
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 4: like not hurting other people's feelings by hanging out all

559
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 4: the time, you know what I mean. It's just it's

560
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: just the nature of it, Like it's deepened our relationship

561
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 4: in a way that is really like important to someone

562
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: at this phase of life for me, you know what

563
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: I mean. Yeah, to have a high school friend. I've

564
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 4: noticed that she's fifteen years old.

565
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the picture you paint of her is so visceral,

566
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: like sitting on the desk with the hyph pony like

567
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: you doing, in white.

568
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: Stripe gap rugby shirt, collar popped.

569
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Speaker 3: Rugby strit So she's so of the current time in

570
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 3: that in that garb, but so like doesn't doesn't that

571
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: like I wonder how you do with that, you know,

572
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: refraction of Oh my god, this is someone I've known

573
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: since fifteen. Also, we're on TV together representing something about

574
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, and there's just all this other stuff

575
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: and and you guys just have to like perform a

576
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: version of yourselves in a way that like is authentic,

577
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: but also like you need to like draw some connection

578
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: to like that younger self of you like that that

579
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: that younger version of you.

580
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the younger version of us. And I think that's

581
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: what makes it so fun and and deepens our friendship

582
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 4: is because you could put us at said nothing, we're

583
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 4: going to be doing the same bitch, you know what

584
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: I mean. Like when we're together, we're kind of it's

585
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: just that energy feeds off each other. And like I'm

586
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: always performing. I've been performing since I was in kindergarten,

587
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like everything's more fun if

588
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: it's a big performative.

589
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: I think you're putting the hard tea on kindergarten.

590
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 4: Well, kindergarten because the way it spelled kindergarten. I'm the

591
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: best selling author.

592
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: What did that feel like when it not only when

593
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: it came out, but also like when Bad wom Room

594
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: went on that best seller list. That's crazy.

595
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bad Mormon. The book has been for sure, like

596
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: the greatest jewel of all of this experience, and not

597
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: only because it felt great to like write my story

598
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: and process all that. I mean, it's so cathartic, it's

599
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 4: so therapeutic, and it was just it felt like an

600
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: incredible privilege to revisit that and like kind of honor

601
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: the girl I was then and like that. I was

602
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 4: in a position now to look at it with perspective

603
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: because I tell people a lot. They're like, oh, when

604
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: is he going to leave the church or when is

605
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 4: she going to leave the church, And I'm like, it's

606
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: not leaving the church. Is like, it's like leaving who

607
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 4: you are. And the only way I've seen it happen

608
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: for people like me is if something bigger comes along, right,

609
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: something bigger comes along that offers you more than what

610
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: you've always counted on, because that's kind of you know, ambition,

611
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: the human spirit, like the drive to exceed, and like

612
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: Housewives came along and offered me more than I ever

613
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: anticipated I could have, And the book gave me the

614
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: opportunity to explore that. And so the book has been

615
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 4: my great connector. I meet people on the streets. It's

616
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: what they love. They resonate with it. It's we're doing

617
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: a documentary about it, you know, it's like it means

618
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: so much to me. And I was posing for an

619
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: ad where I had to hold it and so I

620
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: was just kind of like reading it laughing out loud.

621
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: I love every word. I'm so proud of it. And

622
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: like I hope it outlasts me for one hundred years.

623
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I think your story, I think you talk about

624
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: leaving the church being this like developmentally important, the most

625
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: important thing in any Mormons developed, former Mormons development as

626
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: they leave the church. Is kind of like you're defining

627
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: thing as like a boundary breaking person. Right, It's like

628
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: you broke like the boundary was the church for a second.

629
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: You broke out of that. Then you're, you know, in

630
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: order to define that, though, you have to get in

631
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: the boundary first, right, and so like whether that's like

632
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: housewives whenever you you know, however long you do that,

633
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: at some point you will break out of that boundary.

634
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: But it requires getting in the boundary first, and it

635
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: requires sitting down to like write the book, you know

636
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that is part of that is

637
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: the action of like breaking out of whatever box people

638
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 3: have put you in.

639
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: That's exactly how it happened when I was first approached.

640
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: I couldn't even read the email saying write a book

641
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 4: called bad Mormon. I mean, I shut the laptop. It

642
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: was just so I would never have put my name

643
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: my face on anything derogatory about the church or about

644
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 4: who I still wasn't sure. I wasn't, you know. And

645
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: then just through time, like you start to like recognize

646
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: that boundary becomes less oppressive and like less defining of

647
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: your options in life, you know, And like now I

648
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: couldn't think of a better title, you know, I wanted

649
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: to be a good Mormon. It was very hard for me.

650
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Speaker 1: It's an incredibly sticky title, you know what I mean,

651
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Like bad Mormon is a title you just don't forget

652
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: and you get you not only are you explicitly saying

653
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: what it is, but also as you read it, you

654
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: discover like it's about self judgment, which is like so

655
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: much and it's really I guess it's kind of similar

656
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: to coming out of the closet, right It's like for me,

657
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: you do that way, and then I think there's like

658
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: a perception of like, oh, this person left the Mormon Church.

659
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: They left you know, scientology, they're coming out of the closet,

660
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: they're leaving a marriage, et cetera. Good for them. That

661
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: is when the work really starts, because that's when you

662
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: find out who you are. And I feel like one

663
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: of the really compelling things about the first really few

664
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: seasons and ongoing of Salt Lake City. Housewives is of

665
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: course it's fun because it's a housewiveschise, franchise in franchise,

666
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: and this house franchise, youm it's in this bespoke place,

667
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, which we hadn't really explored before. But

668
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: what was the most compelling thing was I think, especially

669
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: you you're you're watching, you find out who you are,

670
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like seeing your limits, even

671
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: with alcohol, with going out, with doing all these things.

672
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: It's all it's really very fascinating, and I wonder what

673
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: you get watching it back.

674
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 4: Well, in a way, I feel like I got back

675
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: what I felt reality TV gave to me when I

676
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: was living in such culture bubble. You know, My bubble

677
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: of culture was so intact that like it took a

678
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: lot to penetrate that, and reality television as a married

679
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: woman was the first time that I saw examples of

680
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: women that weren't Mormon dutiful wives. Like that's how inclusive

681
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 4: my world was. And I think that it's like watching

682
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 4: people live their lives out vicariously. And I've said it

683
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: a few times, but like there's that scene when camera's

684
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: in the back of the limo with whatever, you know,

685
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 4: I don't remember his name now because he's nameless. But

686
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: she says, I want to divorce Simon Simon. She's like,

687
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: I want a divorce, and like I heard her say that,

688
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: it penetrated my heart and I thought, oh my god,

689
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: that would feel so good to say, Wow, I'm watching

690
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: a woman say something that I could never say. I

691
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: could never even think it. And like, watching that just

692
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: became a way to like, you know, suddenly see beyond

693
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: the world that you were expected to live in forever.

694
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: But that was what kind of like chipped at the

695
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: Veneer for you was was reality television.

696
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, oh so the whole point to get back

697
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 4: I forgot I got so distracted, is that, Like that

698
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: gave a lot to me.

699
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

700
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: So when I had the chance to be on the

701
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 4: show and be a housewife, like I knew that like

702
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: no matter ugly whatever was coming, like I was just

703
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 4: going to put it all out there because I wanted

704
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 4: to put out into the media that gave back to me,

705
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, contribute to the forum. That

706
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: gave me what I needed. What I needed was vulnerability,

707
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: authenticity and just women speaking unfiltered and so on the show,

708
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 4: I felt an obligation to the audience, to reality TV

709
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: as a genre, and to you know, my own opportunity.

710
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: Like I'm here, I'm not going to like take it

711
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: from someone else. That's going to be real, you know

712
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: what I mean, And I'm just going to do it.

713
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: And that's like kind of the sacrifice. Like but it's

714
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: so humiliation abounds, you know.

715
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, of course, like like putting yourself out

716
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: there is is quote unquote like humiliating in some fashion, right,

717
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: Like even we experience a degree of that. But it's

718
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 3: like to have the books plural, even Good Time Girls

719
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: a really sticky title you can't forget.

720
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: Especially because of it popping up on the show one.

721
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: But I think with the books that is such a

722
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's the way I feel about the

723
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: podcast in a concurrent sense of like a show like

724
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: S and Now, where it's like I'm in service of

725
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: something else in an ensemble and it's it's wonderful.

726
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

727
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: But then having the podcast with my best friend is

728
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 3: like a fucking lifeline because I'm like, oh, I get

729
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: to like make sense of things with someone I love

730
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: one on one. We bring in people we love, and

731
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: that is I'm sure in some sense more isolated what

732
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: the book is probably.

733
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and it's in it's in, it's it's in

734
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: your zone, you know.

735
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: But in terms of the genre reality TV, like you

736
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: know at this point that like the show and what

737
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: you've contributed to it is the peak of it, Like

738
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: it is the best reality TV maybe ever.

739
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 4: I really thought a couple of times show house size

740
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City in generally the.

741
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: Whole house types of Celic City. No, I think that

742
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: it's like it's like the Housewives of Salt Lake City,

743
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: I think stands out And I don't know if you

744
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: can really feel that, because it probably you understand because

745
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: like there is like a buzz around it and you

746
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: can just see. But sometimes, like when you're when it's you,

747
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: you can't really tell what it is that's hitting because

748
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: there's this weird like what's like dysphoria almost about like

749
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: what is like actually in the world and what is

750
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: my algorithm telling me? But like we're out here on

751
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: the outside of it, being like Salt Lake City feels

752
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: different because it tells a new story. You know, a

753
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of the other Housewives franchise. I think that what

754
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: the issue is with some of them. Is it feels

755
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: like we're not telling new stories. Yeah, sometimes it feels

756
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: a little bit repetitive. With Salt Lake City, it's like

757
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: a couple of things. These are women that pass the

758
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: ball where it's a true ensemble, and it feels like

759
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: we're hearing a new stories. And I think that that's like,

760
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: like I don't recognize any of the stories being told

761
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: on this franchise.

762
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: And Gosha Baby, they were even playing a game with

763
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: Angie k and Demi Levado. I want to watch it happens,

764
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: live it where it was you know, Angie or Demi

765
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: picking like from each of the cast, like most likely

766
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: to do this, this, that, and they just had all

767
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: of your headshots and just even above the nose, above

768
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: the nose. I was like, these are indelible people. They're iconic,

769
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: recognizable women, and we salute the contribution.

770
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: It's cast in a way that has to be sometimes

771
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: frustrating when you want to rip the throats out of

772
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: your cast members because you know that it's like a

773
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: cast that kind of can't change, Like sorry, problem, we've.

774
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 4: Tried, you know, we can't We've you know, we all

775
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: think that we can evolve and change realthing for improving

776
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 4: and we just are exactly who we are, and there's

777
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: so much comfort in that to me. You know, like

778
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: I love people that are awful and people that are great.

779
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: I love all people, you know, but I just like

780
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 4: when they show up and I can know what to expect.

781
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 4: Consistency is key, and I think Salt Lake City brings

782
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 4: these consistent personalities because we're authentic to who we are.

783
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think my favorite moment from the premiere, and

784
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: we were commenting on this, was when Whitney Rose admits

785
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: that her business failed. And it's that is because as

786
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: a housewife, there's all this like modern expectation and you know,

787
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Housewives. I remember they did that book,

788
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: like not all Diamonds and Rose and Salt Lake Housewives

789
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: isn't even in that because of how new it is

790
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, Like it's this like

791
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: post Housewives Housewives show where all of you come in

792
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: and like are expected to not only hit the ground

793
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: running as like entertaining pop culture figures, but also business people.

794
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you do it correctly putting in air quotes,

795
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: you have something outside the show for you. And I

796
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: thought that her sharing that it did not go well,

797
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: especially when such a huge part of her narrative when

798
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: she was starting it was how badly it needed to

799
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: succeed because Justin had lost his job at the time. Like,

800
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: I think that that was a really important moment, because

801
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: I do think you guys are at a point where

802
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: it could go in the direction that is like, we

803
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: know what we've got here and so let's continue to

804
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: produce it, or we know what we've got here and

805
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: what makes us special is the authenticity. And that felt

806
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: like an authentic, real moment of for being like, Hi,

807
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I failed, let's talk about it.

808
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Brittany, don't bring it up five minutes into

809
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: the RV trip, you know.

810
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean Brittany's being herself too. Everyone's being as.

811
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: Exactly, which is why it works. And I think that

812
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 4: there we really something that's unique about Salt Lake City

813
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: is that we really are all each other has like

814
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I can only speak for my self,

815
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 4: but being on the show doesn't have a lot of

816
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: currency in our community, Like not at the grocery store,

817
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: not at the mall, not amongst our closest friends and family.

818
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: They really don't talk about it. They don't acknowledge it,

819
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: certainly with me. They don't talk about the book, you know,

820
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: they don't talk about this like they just talk to

821
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: you about your children and like innocuous things like probably

822
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 4: with Whitney at soccer and with Lysia it's Henry, you

823
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But they don't give us any

824
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 4: currency for the fact that we are on this show

825
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: that is such a hit and that has changed our

826
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: lives so fundamentally, And I think part of that keeps

827
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: us like you know, tight and humble, and I mean humble,

828
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 4: but tight, and it makes the show that much more

829
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: important and our stories that much more kojent because it's

830
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: you know, it's all contained.

831
00:41:53,960 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have this memory of Angie high pony and

832
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: green rugby shirt. What is your memory of us going

833
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: to be going forward?

834
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: As you go?

835
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: Oh, I've known Mountain Bone for fifteen years.

836
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the image?

837
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: Listen, guys, Can's lions.

838
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Which we all can't remember a specific one because we

839
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: were so turned.

840
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, listen, I can remember.

841
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: Can I take what I know mine and I'll say

842
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: it it's me. I remember I was over with a

843
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: couple of the Summerhouse people. I turn around. I see

844
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: it's you sitting on a bench crying, and Bowen is

845
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: on his knees in front of you, glasping your hands

846
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: like this, and you guys are having one of the

847
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: most emotional moments in human kind history.

848
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: And I was kneeling and.

849
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: You were talking about how it had been your first

850
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: time in can since your Mormon mission, and you were

851
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: talking about that a lot during depressed that we were

852
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: all doing together. That's wild. That's all places in the world.

853
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: That's where they sent you as someone that's then supposed

854
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: to be like well behaved. Yeah, one of the horns

855
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: most gorgeous places in the world. And then that you

856
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: randomly for this thing later, years and years later, when

857
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: your life is totally different, you're also sent there on

858
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: a different mission, which is to tell your new life story.

859
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. Crazy. And that's like I thought when I was

860
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 4: there as a Mormon missionary. I thought I was of

861
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 4: the world, you know, this worldly, bilingual, you know, change maker.

862
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 4: And I thought I could never be this happy because

863
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: I was so indebted in the service of others. My

864
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: testimony of the Church was so strong. I was doing

865
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 4: the Lord's work. I was ruining people's lives and it

866
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 4: was for the right, you know what I mean.

867
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: You were incredible Mormons.

868
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: I was. I was so I thought, I am this

869
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: is who I was born to be, and I could

870
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: never be happier. And at the same time I was

871
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: miserable and it was so hard, and it was soul

872
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 4: you know, gutting, and I to come back there now

873
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: and feel like the same person, the same enthusiasm, the

874
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 4: same ambition, the same zest for life and for the people,

875
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: but to be there on terms that were authentic to me,

876
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 4: it just felt like how how how did I get

877
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: this opportunity? And that's what I was weeping to bowen about. Yeah, yeah,

878
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: that is like I'm here, I'm here, You're here, and

879
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: who gets to do that?

880
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you were also just exhuming all

881
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: of these things that maybe you had forgotten about. I

882
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: remember you very distinctly telling me while I was kneeling

883
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: to you, you were like, I think that was when

884
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: you were like, we would have to get like the

885
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: Church told us for these missions, that you would go

886
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: into people's houses and within one minute beyond your knees

887
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: with them and pray like it had to be that.

888
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: It's like the salespersonraining that we trained. We trained, we

889
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: had conferences where we trained. We'd walk up and say,

890
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 4: if they opened the door to us and said, you know,

891
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: these two v mean missionaries, you know in T shirts

892
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 4: and full dresses, we have a message of hope and

893
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 4: love for your family, can we come in? If they

894
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 4: said come in, we grabbed their forearm and said, can

895
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: we offer a prayer and.

896
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: Knelt down within one minute or five?

897
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: Was it wonderful?

898
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 4: One minute? Within one minute?

899
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: Get on the ground, they said, because.

900
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 4: And they said, like most people when you kneel, they're

901
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: like gonna kneel. That's just human nature, and most kind

902
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 4: people in the world are never going to turn down

903
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: a prayer. Sure, officers, offer us a prayer, throw us

904
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: a prayer, bone, be on your way. But then you

905
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: kneel down with them and you pray with them that

906
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: they will be open to receive the message that you're

907
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: about to give them. And it felt highly manipulative, but.

908
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: It's also at the same time, I mean, yes, just

909
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: the intention is maybe manipulative, but then if you're describing

910
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: like just offering a prayer to someone, there is like

911
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: it's it's so dissonant. There is like there is a

912
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: kindness to this.

913
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 4: Of course, there's a kindness in love, but like, why

914
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: make them kneel? Why why do it in a way

915
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: that we know as a tactic to get us to

916
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 4: stay there longer and to in effect shame them for

917
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 4: churning us out.

918
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure that what they're arming you with is,

919
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: of course these skills, but what's behind it is the

920
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: fact that you genuinely believe that what you're going to

921
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: do is better their life, change their life. So that's

922
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: an induct their family. Yeah, that's that's you being indoctrinated

923
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: in something that's not you manipulating, it's simply acting.

924
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's and that's where that's why I find

925
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 4: the church so fascinating, and the culture that comes out

926
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: of the church that fascinating. And the fact that I

927
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: had three daughters that I was training to be that

928
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: exact version of me, and now one's living on the

929
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 4: Upper West Side of New York City. Ones at the

930
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: University of Miami in a sorority I don't even want

931
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: to party.

932
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, you don't go to You're not a

933
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: sorority girl in University of Miami.

934
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 4: And not raging exactly. And then I have my freshman

935
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 4: daughter at U Tampa and like none of my friends

936
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: kids have even left the state of Utah, and a

937
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: lot of them are married. So I have I'm an

938
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: anomaly in my neighborhood and in my community. And Angie

939
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: is one of my true friends from call from high school.

940
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: That is, I mean, think of that. You know, like

941
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: everyone else we know is married with and some of

942
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: them are grandparents already.

943
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: So that's what you're saying, Like, that's what tightens you,

944
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: That's what humbles and titans.

945
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 4: There's not a lot of people like us in our

946
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 4: community I at all. Not a lot of women business owners,

947
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: not a lot of women entrepreneurs. The highest brand you

948
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: can get at our Norse from is rag and Bone.

949
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

950
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: I love Rag and Bone and I.

951
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: Love Citizens of Humanity, But sometimes the audience wants us

952
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 4: to show up in more, and we love an audience.

953
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: I do want to ask about that too, because again,

954
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: like Salt Lake City being relatively new, even though it's

955
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: in its sixties, and it still feels like it was

956
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: born after the creation of what a quote unquote real

957
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: housewife looks like is et cetera. What that image was

958
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: born and into you know, television's television watching communities heads.

959
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: So when you show up and the nicest store in

960
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: your north Strom rack is the Rag and Bone, which

961
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: is really for men, right, don't they really? They just

962
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of make more it's more. Yeah, yeah, so they

963
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: weren't even helping so gender, Matt, what I'm saying is

964
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: just like the the Opportunity Shore, but also expectation to

965
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: be as glam as Erica Jane, Like what goes on

966
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: there when like you collide with the other housewives that

967
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: has to be so intimidating. Of course I'm talking about

968
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: like Girls Trip, but also Bravo con and like watch

969
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: it Happens live and just like you know, showing up

970
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: as a housewive, how did that feel? How are we

971
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: interacting with that?

972
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 4: Well? For me, it was like, I mean I did

973
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 4: everything in a Stretchyesara, every confessionals either stretchy Zara or

974
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: Macy's or Dillard's. You know, work prom fifty percent off

975
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: for my first season and that's like this set the

976
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: stage of life I was in. Also the clothes that

977
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: fit me, So I mean I felt like I was

978
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: doing the best I could and I admired I had

979
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: such a fandom and respect and like knowing how hard

980
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: it is to like just do all of it. You know,

981
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: these there's not a lot of women over forty thriving

982
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 4: and doing these types of things. So like these are

983
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 4: the first mentors in my life, Like the first women

984
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 4: that I saw get divorced and thrived that I saw

985
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: not have six children and still have a fulfilling life

986
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 4: and not talk about casual sex. I mean, I know

987
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: this sounds naive, but like this is the world I

988
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: lived in, so everything to me was like I mean,

989
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: I didn't feel threatened. I felt like, you know, take

990
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: me with you, ye show me the way, inspired and

991
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: just yeah inspired for.

992
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: Sure, it showed you another run and honored.

993
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: But I'm also embarrassed but honored. You know, you don't

994
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 4: want to bring them down.

995
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

996
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: I think, like because you talked about this and while

997
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: we were in can like on a panel, and I

998
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 3: think you were just saying, like I saw housewives and

999
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: it broke the mold on what women my age could do,

1000
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: what the possibilities were, And you're so I think that

1001
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: is going to be true for a while for.

1002
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: Every woman in America.

1003
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: You know, it's like every woman who maybe is a

1004
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: single mom or you know, an entrepreneur or like just

1005
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: is juggling all these quote unquote unconventional things, especially in

1006
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: a very conventional, conventioned place like Utah or you know,

1007
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 3: in the Mormon Church. Like you're talking about something very

1008
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: powerful about television and media. And I think you've like

1009
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: taken that mantle so well, and I think that is

1010
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: I think that is why people really kind of like

1011
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: are drawn to you as a housewife and they say

1012
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: that you are the protagonist of Salt Lake because because

1013
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: you understand, as it were, the assignment. My memory of

1014
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: you is hold on is this phone background that I

1015
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: still have Heather get smoking a cigarette? That is you

1016
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: in a red girl, A good time girl.

1017
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to smoke and I'm going to

1018
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 4: drink when I'm in can this time.

1019
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: We almost got you to hook up with that guy, remember,

1020
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: but then we found out he was gay.

1021
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 4: Well they always are with this the redheaded. I wept

1022
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 4: because I'd never been thrust on a man's shoulders like

1023
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 4: that you were.

1024
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: I did the whole time.

1025
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 4: I was pure joy.

1026
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: You do we not have the most we had?

1027
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: We got back and were exhausted for a week. I

1028
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: took us a month.

1029
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 4: He went straight to Beyonce in Paris.

1030
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: Stop trying the cultural awards. You have to imagine we

1031
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 3: were in the middle writing the Culture Awards.

1032
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: Can we talk about the cultural awards? Culture? What's our

1033
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 4: time frame?

1034
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: The culture Awards?

1035
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 4: You guys changed, it changed Awards shows forever.

1036
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: Stop that.

1037
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 4: It's like it's the chapel roone of award shows.

1038
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: Show the chapel, having you guys there amidst all of

1039
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: what was happening. What I loved was all the.

1040
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 4: Throwaway shots to me having the time of mine.

1041
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely love to use that, you know when I well,

1042
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: you know what I knew. We kind of did something

1043
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: there at the end of it, Like we're walking back in.

1044
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: We had taken a moment to ourselves after the show,

1045
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: and we're walking back in and we see the one

1046
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: and only Mary and she is in this red sort

1047
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: of becloaked scouted with her gloves and she turns to

1048
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: us and she said, I enjoyed myself, And she said,

1049
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: my husband said, you better know who they are. She goes,

1050
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: and I do know who you are, Matt and Bowen.

1051
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: She goes, we need to have a picture. I was like, yes,

1052
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: we do. The fact that Mary asked her that that.

1053
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 4: Was bestone upon you. I've known her for years, never

1054
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 4: have I received such honor.

1055
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: She it was like she was throwing us some bread

1056
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: as docs. I was like, wow, it was.

1057
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 4: Like Queen Elizabeth looked over and that.

1058
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: Was not a common thing for her to do, right. No, Yeah,

1059
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: that's incredible the fact that. But then it's so funny

1060
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: because in the edit, I was doing the edit of

1061
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: the show, and of course we're looking for audience cutaways,

1062
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: et cetera, And almost every time the audience was cutting

1063
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: over to you guys. What I loved was how seriously

1064
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: mariyam Cosby was looking at everything. She was just like

1065
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. It did take her like a second,

1066
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: I think, to register what was happening. And then at

1067
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: some point we did win her over. But I was

1068
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: just like, you win everything went.

1069
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 4: Over and like it was an incredible, incredible experience.

1070
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for doing it, for doing.

1071
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: It, like it should happen every year and I want

1072
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 4: third row seats.

1073
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: To try. Oh mean, my god, what is your favorite

1074
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: show on Bravo?

1075
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: Like?

1076
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: What is the what? I have two questions, One before

1077
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: we ask you the real question, who is the housewife

1078
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: that made you say Housewives was for you as as

1079
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: a real Housewives fan? And is there a show on

1080
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: Bravo besides Housewives whatever that's your fave.

1081
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: Tamra perhaps as you mentioned earlier.

1082
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 4: I mean, that's interesting, but like no, because Tamra terrifies

1083
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 4: me that that moment was so raw and I just

1084
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 4: really appreciated her for it. But like, honestly, I know

1085
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: that said Housewives could be for me. It never occurred

1086
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 4: to me, even until the final call sizzle reel, It's

1087
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 4: still never occurred to me. But honestly, I would say

1088
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 4: Vicky gun Wilson, Oh wow, Vicky Gunbilson, because I feel

1089
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 4: like I feel emotional. Isn't that she just was herself,

1090
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: you know, and was just obnoxious and in the best

1091
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 4: way of course, and like got a lot of crap,

1092
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: you know, had to overcome a lot, but just like

1093
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 4: showed up, had a great business, was proud of who

1094
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: she was, was proud of what she wanted, and her

1095
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 4: relationships went after it got it.

1096
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: You know.

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00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 4: The hole Dawn thing was so painful, but I related

1098
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: to it. I could see and I just think I

1099
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: just think Vicky's story is pretty remarkable and she deserved

1100
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: you know that. When she was in that mustard colored

1101
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 4: velvet dress. I don't remember what she was mad about,

1102
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 4: but I'm on her side.

1103
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the thing about it, she.

1104
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 4: Was mad about she she did serve that show.

1105
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean, I think she should

1106
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: still be on it, but that's just my opinion. But

1107
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: the thing about Vicky is she was It's like we

1108
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: say often, she was always herself. She was always herself,

1109
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: and it's great that she was like the og of

1110
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: the oc really the first real housewife because she it's

1111
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when Kelly Clarkson won American Idol,

1112
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: they hit the jackpot, like Vicky Gunilson being the first

1113
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: real housewife really the family. They hit a jackpot because

1114
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: there was yeah, there was a model for what this

1115
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: show was and the kind of person that it revolves around.

1116
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: And she is Orange County, you know what I mean.

1117
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 4: Like and you saw how housewives kind of evolved or

1118
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: you know, and it's it's it's changed my physical appearance

1119
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 4: and like the way I show up to stuff and

1120
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 4: that you just you see how the process like changes you.

1121
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 4: But like you know, I just it's never I've never

1122
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: thought of that before, but that's just what came to

1123
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 4: me in this.

1124
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: But I bet you recognize yourself more when you look

1125
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: in the mirror now.

1126
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: Oh for sure. Absolutely absolutely, Like I feel like I

1127
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 4: like am in my zone and I am so proud

1128
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 4: of the girl that like had to overcome so much

1129
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 4: more to get me here. Like you know, I look

1130
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 4: back and I think the courage and like the guts.

1131
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 4: Like also, everyone hated me and was so mean to

1132
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: me season one and two. You know, they thought, who

1133
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 4: is this dummy, Let's let's oust her.

1134
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 5: You know, she doesn't the round just like the cast

1135
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 5: cast you felt you felt like they were not rooting

1136
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 5: for you.

1137
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.

1138
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that jealousy because you I thought it was like.

1139
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be seen with her, Like I thought,

1140
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 4: like this is beneath my level of socialization of panache

1141
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 4: and image, and so yeah, it was really really hard

1142
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 4: for me season one and two.

1143
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: It's really interesting because I remember like after season one

1144
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: was season one was a success, especially, like and it

1145
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: really snapped in in the last few episodes and it

1146
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: was kind of a little bit you guys realizing there

1147
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: was something off with Jen and then obviously season two

1148
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: it becomes a pop culture phenomenon. But I remember watching

1149
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: that and it was very clear in those reunions that

1150
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: people had seen themselves depicted in a way they didn't expect.

1151
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: Like I think that probably a lot of people did

1152
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: expect to look like the protagonist of the show, which

1153
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: was clearly. I mean, and everyone's incredible and in their

1154
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: function on the show, but I do think you are.

1155
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: Your story speaks exactly to why a franchise exists in

1156
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: Salt Lakesity. Yeah, and I think that that's kind of

1157
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: just an undeniable, just narrative choice.

1158
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that had to be humbling for people, surprising

1159
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 5: and bad way to a lot of people.

1160
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you were someone with who came into

1161
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 3: the show with self knowledge, which which might not have

1162
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: been said for your castmates, and that was probably something

1163
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: that set you apart, but also like was very i

1164
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: don't know, like a little bit weird for them. I

1165
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 3: think you probably just like were ahead on that potentially

1166
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 3: hopefully that's how that's how you look at it in hindsight.

1167
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: Well, in hindsight, I just think like I never thought

1168
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 4: I would be there, and they never thought I would

1169
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 4: be there, and then when I was there, everyone was

1170
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 4: just like what the fuck?

1171
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like in terms of casting

1172
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: at all, Yeah, wow, yeah, you know, I don't want

1173
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: to make this. I don't want to relate this back

1174
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: to myself, but like I relate on this level of

1175
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: Like I never expected to be on a show like SNL.

1176
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: I would always watch I was obsessed with the show,

1177
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: watched every week. But I was like, you know, what

1178
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 3: would be a dream to be a writer? And it

1179
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: was and it was great, and then it took like

1180
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: an audience or maybe like some coworkers, sometime you'd be like,

1181
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: oh yeah, Bowen's here, you know. But like there's something

1182
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: about sticking with it and staying and whether or not

1183
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: you went over the respective people you at least like,

1184
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: you know, you kind of appreciate the things that are

1185
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: intact about yourself. Like I like, I would not say

1186
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 3: you've changed very much since you've started on the show.

1187
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 3: You've been yourself.

1188
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1189
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 4: I just think I'm seeing more now, which is a

1190
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 4: good feeling, a good feeling, but also sad. You know, yeah,

1191
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 4: that there's so many things that keep people from seeing

1192
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 4: who you really are.

1193
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: Wow, and that's that's really really interesting. And how how

1194
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: in a way it's like when there's a camera on

1195
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: you and almost like it emboldens you to like say

1196
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: this thing, like you do get the sense like across

1197
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: the franchise is like a lot of people started in

1198
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: marriages on the show that like clearly weren't working, And

1199
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, like, oh, they went on

1200
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: the show to get a divorce. Maybe not consciously but unconsciously,

1201
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: but it's.

1202
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 4: An opportunity, it's a lifeline, you know. Like I was

1203
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 4: at the darkest, saddest point in my life when the

1204
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 4: show came around. You know, I was in a business

1205
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 4: that was failing. I was trying to build it back up,

1206
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 4: and was it failing? Well when I bought it, it was, yeah,

1207
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 4: like it was.

1208
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: It was.

1209
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 4: I started out every day like a thousand dollars in

1210
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: the red he had taken out like a hard money loan,

1211
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 4: was some offshore person I couldn't even contact, you know.

1212
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 4: I was just so I had to like build this business.

1213
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 4: And in building it, I met a lot of people.

1214
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 4: And that's what connected me to like casting, because I

1215
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 4: knew a lot of these you know, hot girls get

1216
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 4: an injection.

1217
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.

1218
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 4: But the business was a success and that's where I

1219
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 4: really started to like pull myself out. But like to

1220
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: be on television, that was never you know.

1221
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: In the plan, Yeah it was, yeah, I mean.

1222
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 4: In the plan it was. It was just like it

1223
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 4: wasn't even watching Degrassi Junior Highs, like you know, ten

1224
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 4: year old thinking. You know, if you don't get it

1225
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 4: as a Nickelodeon kid, you're never going to get it.

1226
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: Of course, you know what I mean. Of course. So

1227
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: do you still watch everything on Bravo?

1228
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah? I watch everything and I love all of it,

1229
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 4: and I really love I love Southern charm, I love

1230
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 4: below Deck, I love Captain Jason, and I love Captain Carrey.

1231
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 4: And I did Blowdeck Adventure with Captain Carrey.

1232
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about what it's like

1233
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: to be on Below Deck Adventure.

1234
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 4: It was so fun, it was incredible, It was totally incredible.

1235
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 4: We went to Norway, you know, sod the Fjords, like

1236
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 4: things you would never see from land or even on

1237
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 4: a screen saver on your laptop.

1238
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: Wow, this is real and not just I know sometimes I'm.

1239
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 4: Just like this looks just like my screensaver. It's amazing.

1240
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot either growing up, like I like,

1241
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: we had like a working class family on Long Island.

1242
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: So now that I get to my adult life and

1243
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: get some gold places like Can, it's like, yeah, so amazing,

1244
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: And you do take it for granted because there's so

1245
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: many people that don't have even if they dreamed it,

1246
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: don't have agency access ability to go to all those places.

1247
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean my first international trip was as a

1248
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 4: traveling companion for a little person that needed help like

1249
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: with their luggage and stuff, because I wanted to see

1250
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 4: the world.

1251
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: Where'd you go?

1252
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 4: Can not can?

1253
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: Sorry?

1254
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 4: Cantcuon?

1255
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: Can't COONa? Interesting?

1256
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: Cancun?

1257
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1258
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: I probably similar?

1259
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 4: And can Can? I wept on the white sand beaches

1260
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 4: of can Kue.

1261
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: Do you never want to come back? I want to.

1262
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: I'm I going to come back.

1263
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1264
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 4: You know, you just have this angst and this like

1265
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 4: desire for a bigger life, but your circumstances there's just

1266
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 4: no path to.

1267
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: See it well. And then like your parameters change as

1268
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: soon as you have a kid or three kids.

1269
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, like big mistake, huge, don't do that. I'm like,

1270
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 4: you know, I mean I just graduated. I'm an empty nester,

1271
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: I can say it.

1272
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah from the way. Gosh, how does that feel incredible?

1273
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 4: It's my rumer. I love it?

1274
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: Yea? Was that was that true in Can? Or it

1275
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: was still? No, it was animal still and kicked it off.

1276
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: Kicked it off?

1277
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 3: An went went to Tampa or what?

1278
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 4: No, Annabel went to Tampa two weeks after I got

1279
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 4: home from cam. Wow, that like can kicked it off

1280
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 4: for sure?

1281
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

1282
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 4: And now it's like I'm being like totally intentional about it.

1283
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 4: We're really working hard. I know you've both recommended me

1284
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 4: to Rya. I'm still on the wait list.

1285
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: Wait what I recommended you?

1286
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 4: Sam Lansky's put in a word to like the CEO.

1287
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 4: I have every person Andy, everyone's working on it. But

1288
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 4: there's something about my age group. Oh give me my

1289
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 4: emotional stability. I don't know, but ry emotional.

1290
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 3: Stability as a prerequisite for Rya. I'll tell you that much,

1291
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 3: at least among them the gay men.

1292
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 4: I'm not online. I'm just like that would be my

1293
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 4: first Foray. But I am being totally like, I want

1294
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 4: a date now I don't. I didn't want to do

1295
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 4: it and I was a mom. It's just it's a weird.

1296
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Speaker 1: What's a good first date for anyone out there that's

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Speaker 1: listening as.

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Speaker 4: In a group, like at a dive bar, like yeah,

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Speaker 4: and like having a vibe and then for sure going

1300
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: home together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you want to. You want to have your

1302
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: your one night spend there. I do know you're.

1303
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 4: Vibe asking me this.

1304
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: It's for the people who lost coach, which they are they?

1305
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: Are they out there?

1306
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 4: Are they?

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01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: No?

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01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: Honestly, a lot of Katie's out there have said, you know,

1309
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: my boyfriend will sometimes just have you guys on because

1310
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: they'll have indoctrinated them in the ways of lost culch.

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01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 4: It's how to look smart.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's ask you the question, Heather Gay, what was

1313
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture was for you?

1314
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 4: So? I have like a ten thousand of them, obviously,

1315
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 4: because every time I listen I think of one. But

1316
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 4: when I was thinking about this one, I was trying

1317
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 4: to remember like the first moment that really kind of

1318
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 4: penetrated the bubble of the culture that I was raised

1319
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 4: in because it was very, very inclusive. I don't know

1320
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 4: how to explain I was a bubble boy, were it?

1321
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 4: I only knew people of my kind and that believed

1322
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: and thought. I thought the world was flat. No one

1323
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 4: told me different. Everyone reinforced it. And I had one

1324
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 4: friend and we're still friends. Jessica Miller shout out. She's

1325
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 4: a good time girl. She her older brothers picked us

1326
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: up and brought us home from school one day, which

1327
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: I don't know how or why my mom allowed it,

1328
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: but it did. It happened, and they played violent fems

1329
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 4: Blister and the Sun in the car and I was

1330
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 4: probably in like third grade.

1331
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what was the feeling? What?

1332
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 4: Every part of me lit up? You know what I mean?

1333
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 4: I understood none of it, and I understood all of it,

1334
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,479
Speaker 4: and like it it changed, like my chemistry, and I thought,

1335
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: what is this song? What?

1336
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: I know?

1337
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 4: Like knowing I wasn't supposed to be hearing it, and

1338
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 4: like I can never un hear it. And I came alive.

1339
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: You had a mini awakening, a mini awakening.

1340
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 4: And then we went to her house and her brother

1341
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 4: sir himself a cup of peppermint sknops with ice. He

1342
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 4: was about sixteen in the short classxteen years. You can

1343
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 4: have a sip, You can have a sip of you.

1344
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 4: I of course refused it because I'd already listened to

1345
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 4: violent fens like the first time that I had independent

1346
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 4: income and like the ability to go through the cassette

1347
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 4: tape you know at whatever the store was called at

1348
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 4: the wall back then, it was like I like sought

1349
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 4: it out. I thought it was like illegal bootleg stuff

1350
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 4: like that wasn't allowed.

1351
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: So what was the typical music that you were listening

1352
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 3: to with the Osmond's, Like I.

1353
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 4: Mean Osmond's of course, but like Simon and Garfunkel, you know,

1354
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 4: my parents had great taste in like family music, classic things. Yeah,

1355
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 4: I loved, But then I got turned onto Indigo Girls

1356
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 4: and Dar Williams and Sean Colvin and like I just

1357
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 4: kind of had like.

1358
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: A deep orient on Colvin.

1359
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 4: Sean Colvin?

1360
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: Wow, so is that? How are you listening to that?

1361
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: In secret?

1362
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 4: Once I started working on I was fifteen at Teddy

1363
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 4: Bears Frozen Yogurt and I always had discretionary come to

1364
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: buy music.

1365
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: He was just talking about how he's in Utah or Colorado.

1366
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: What were your Colorado years?

1367
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 4: My Colorado years? I left in eighty nine. Oh wow,

1368
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 4: So I was it was Teddy Bears and it was

1369
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,959
Speaker 4: Golden Swirl frozen yogurt.

1370
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: So you were a froo.

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 4: I used my experience at Teddy Bears to leverage a

1372
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: lead employee position at Golden Swirl, which I yeah, entrepreneurial

1373
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 4: about it always always yeah, yeah, So.

1374
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: I connect with this. I remember my song was the

1375
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: Roof by Mariah Carey and it was just about like

1376
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: the rain hitting her skin on the roof while she

1377
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: made out with who we found out later was Derek Jeter,

1378
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: and that that was her sexual awakening. And I believe

1379
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: I was eight or nine listening to it, and there

1380
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: was something about it that I didn't need to really

1381
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: understand it to understand it, you know. And music is

1382
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: special like that, Yeah, you.

1383
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 4: Think it is, and like and when it comes from

1384
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 4: a source and you think it's like another world, like

1385
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 4: there is another world and realm that exists that I

1386
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 4: have not yet been introduced to.

1387
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: And I want to And how are people even thinking

1388
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: to express themselves like this exactly?

1389
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 4: Because it never would have occurred to me?

1390
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 3: Right, But that song in particular, did the brother tell

1391
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: you who? Like who the violent thims were?

1392
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: What this like?

1393
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 4: No?

1394
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: I just like it happened it.

1395
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 4: That song is clear and and occluded, you know what

1396
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 4: I mean, It's I just understood it. I don't know

1397
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 4: I felt it like awakened me.

1398
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I wanted to Yeah, you wanted to stay in

1399
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: the sheet. You know, things about stains in the sheets.

1400
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: I don't even know why.

1401
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: You know they were eating dinner and bed all over them.

1402
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: That's what it was.

1403
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 4: It could be a million things. Let's not ask questions.

1404
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 4: Just listen and feel the music.

1405
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: But it's you know what it is, It like that

1406
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: song and very in particular. We say this word a

1407
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: lot serrated unforgettable. Basically it's like there, it's it's it's rough.

1408
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 4: I understand srated exactly.

1409
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, lots of right serrated. You

1410
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: you know you've had to cut through your life absolutely, Yeah,

1411
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: I love that answer because it's private, you know what

1412
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like it's like a very private, explicit,

1413
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: illicit thing and just had to rub against everything you

1414
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: had been told about like the way you should feel

1415
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: and just that as the culture that made you. How

1416
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: their guys say culture was for her is like you

1417
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: can you can feel the memorability of that and like it's.

1418
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 4: It's tangible like this, I'm not going to be able

1419
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 4: to be who I'm expected to be. This is going

1420
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 4: to be harder than you know it's quite queer. Oh,

1421
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 4: I feel I have like I feel like I feel

1422
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 4: like I write from a queer perspective. I really do

1423
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,959
Speaker 4: like I feel like my books have quite a queer perspective.

1424
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 4: If I'm allowed to say this appropriate.

1425
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: You are it's about it might be queer.

1426
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 4: I'm only fifty.

1427
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 3: You're breaking out of a boundary, breaking out of something

1428
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 3: that you know someone else has sort of like boxed

1429
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 3: you into, and now you're in control of. Well, I'm

1430
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 3: going to get into the box because that's part of

1431
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 3: my process, that is part of my identity. Is an artist,

1432
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: a writer, you know, all of these things, a public figure,

1433
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 3: all these things should be you know, I think are

1434
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 3: already driven by that idea.

1435
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm being a little like.

1436
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 4: Well, I'm totally with you. And in terms of culture,

1437
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 4: I mean, think of your podcast and speaking on culture, Like,

1438
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 4: isn't there something like fascinating about the fact that, like

1439
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 4: I came out and like my only mentors of culture

1440
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 4: are housewives, Like these are the women that like I

1441
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 4: am figuring out how to be, how to form my

1442
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 4: life after. I mean, think about when you came out,

1443
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 4: like you have to like think of who who what

1444
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 4: kind of person am am I going to be, And

1445
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 4: I have no examples of that. I know, I knew

1446
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 4: no divorced women thriving with their own business is none.

1447
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 4: And so now it's like, and I see women now

1448
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 4: that have overcome and have resilience. Erica Jane is a

1449
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: huge inspiration to me. The way that she is just

1450
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 4: like it reinvented and she's you know, I just admire that,

1451
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 4: like the tenacity, the resilience, the grit, Like it is

1452
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 4: not hard, It is not easy out there and it

1453
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 4: is not easy to come back from like people being

1454
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 4: really horribly cruel. You know, I feel it's still shining.

1455
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like also when you went on Ultimate

1456
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: Girl's Trip one of and that was a hard season

1457
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: to watch.

1458
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 4: It's so hard because you realize quickly that you're a

1459
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 4: guppye in the fish bowl. And I didn't come in

1460
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 4: thinking like I really did come in like a family

1461
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 4: excited to make fun TV with these incredible dynameters. That's

1462
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,959
Speaker 4: how I feel about it. Like for me, the creative

1463
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 4: process of it is like I am a theater kid.

1464
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 4: I grew up doing road shows and family performances and

1465
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 4: talent shows, and like I was a pianist, Like this

1466
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 4: is like what I love to do. So like it

1467
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,839
Speaker 4: seemed fun, like we're gonna have theme nights and dinners

1468
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 4: and we're gonna all give each other shade and laugh

1469
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 4: and like you don't understand or expect kind of the

1470
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 4: menacine or the meanness of it. And I I really learned.

1471
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 4: I mean that's when I became really close with Alexian Marisol.

1472
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 4: So there, like I was with them on Sunday at

1473
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 4: the Miami game, like we are close. I love Alexian Marisol.

1474
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 4: They are the real deal. And they they defended me

1475
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 4: right out the gate on that trip, and they also

1476
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 4: gave Whitney hell for not you know, supporting me, like

1477
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 4: they were true, true friends. And so I think those

1478
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 4: types of dynamics give everyone an opportunity to kind of

1479
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 4: show their true colors.

1480
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's the mistake that I'm going to

1481
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 3: say as a non housewife, but I'm gonna I'm gonna

1482
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 3: kind of.

1483
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 4: You could be one.

1484
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 3: Soa there's a miss So there's a mistake housewives make

1485
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: what I think Giselle's guilty of constantly, which is like

1486
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 3: it's it's the way that like some people think, like

1487
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 3: meanness is funny by default, especially like when like when

1488
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 3: guys like flirt with you, like they're like they kind

1489
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: of like neg you a bit, like they're mean to you,

1490
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: and you're like, wait, no, that's not that's not not

1491
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 3: as charming or that's not winning anyone over the way

1492
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 3: you think it is. And I feel like Gizelle and

1493
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 3: a certain subsect of housewives do that where they're like,

1494
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: let me be let me just be nasty and cruel

1495
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 3: and then like let me drum up this like inane

1496
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 3: drama with like this class zul Bottle. It's like who

1497
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 3: that was so lame? It just also wasn't fun to watch.

1498
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 3: Do you think she would have been kinder to you

1499
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 3: if the cameras weren't rolling? And has she been kinder

1500
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 3: to use.

1501
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 4: Something totally kind of me off camera? There's some moms

1502
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 4: with three daughters, you know, like she's she's like, we

1503
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 4: had fun, didn't we?

1504
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: Then like did we?

1505
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 4: We did not have fun?

1506
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: Ma'am. I mean, I had like a really nasty comment

1507
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: about our friend Joel Penis size and then.

1508
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 3: It was racist. It was racist, but it was it

1509
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 3: was just.

1510
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: Like not cool, and then we were checking in with

1511
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: him and he was like, no, I thought we were

1512
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: totally great. Just like kind of an example of someone

1513
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: who's one way and then another, which I sometimes wonder.

1514
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, do people think we can't tell, oh, we

1515
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: can't tell? You know? Well? But then again there she

1516
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,799
Speaker 1: is a success on the show year after year, clearly

1517
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: they keep her, but she's I don't know's she's a

1518
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: success in her little fiefdom.

1519
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 3: She's a success and a very limited capacity, like no

1520
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 3: one outside of like this fandom specific to Potomac gives

1521
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 3: a ship.

1522
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: She makes things happen, which is what I think.

1523
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 4: So I also think honestly, she's incredibly beautiful.

1524
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: She's very beautiful, and definitely.

1525
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 4: She's intoxicating on screen to me, like she can be

1526
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 4: saying mean things. I'm just like, I mean, I I

1527
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 4: want and the green eyed vanted that. I just fall

1528
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 4: for the green eyed vand it quite a bit, which

1529
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 4: sometimes messes with me too, because I'm like, I should

1530
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 4: be prettier.

1531
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: I always know Diamond doesn't pretty people everywhere, doesn't doesn't

1532
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 3: really work on.

1533
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 4: It actual.

1534
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: Ewhere. It's I always want. I always try, like even

1535
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: with the ones that I'm on record year after year,

1536
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: like it's just because people act like themselves, you know

1537
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like And I guess you kind of

1538
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: learned that after a certain point, and even when you

1539
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: go back to shoot Salt Lake season after season at

1540
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: a certain point, this is now the sixth season that's airing,

1541
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: I bet you've arrived the fact that, like you know what,

1542
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: this person is just always going to be themselves. When

1543
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: do you stop trying?

1544
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 4: Well, I'm a I'm never going to stop trying to

1545
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 4: stop you just a court just to just like.

1546
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: You never you never even stop.

1547
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 4: Trying with Jen No and Jen is Jen was you know,

1548
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 4: a course and a friend. And I love people, I

1549
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 4: sometimes say brain on fire, like I love friends where

1550
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 4: they keep me on my toes and like everything they

1551
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 4: say is interesting or pelemic or you know, just challenging.

1552
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's just trauma or what.

1553
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 4: I don't know what that's about. But like, there is

1554
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 4: a part of me that thinks I can be good

1555
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 4: enough to this person that they will change and like

1556
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 4: me eventually or treat me well eventually. I believe I can't.

1557
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 4: You could a therapist could tell me that's never gonna happen,

1558
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 4: and be like I can like I can love them

1559
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 4: through what I can't and I know I can't.

1560
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 3: But your your view of friendship is that it allows

1561
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 3: for the challenging stuff, the polemics stuff, the stuff where

1562
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 3: you're like, this is not like there's no such thing

1563
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 3: as like this is not how a friend should talk

1564
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 3: to me necessarily, Like is that what you mean?

1565
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 4: Like, well, it's just like I know they're horrible, but

1566
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 4: they're hurting, Like, I'll get the cage, I'll get the

1567
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 4: cage animal, I'll show them that they can trust me

1568
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 4: as long as they're I'll get them to treat me well,

1569
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 4: as long as they don't hurt you.

1570
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 6: I think that's what frustrated that. It's that is the

1571
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 6: thing I think as a fan watching the show with you,

1572
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 6: Heather Gay is we just want you to know you

1573
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 6: you deserve better of friendships too, like you fought so

1574
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 6: hard in all these acpects of your of your life,

1575
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 6: and that I do think there is something with female

1576
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 6: friendship where you want to believe some of these women

1577
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 6: are going to treat you better. And I remember with

1578
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 6: Jen because obviously you know we're fans for the record,

1579
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 6: well we wish that you would so with Jen, though

1580
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 6: I mean, when it felt like you kept making excuses.

1581
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: For her and you know, kept up a certain ruse

1582
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: with Jen. Now she's gonna be really pretty soon. How

1583
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: are you feeling about that?

1584
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 4: Just not really feeling anything, you know.

1585
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: Will you make a call?

1586
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 4: Oh no, I don't think. I think that I have

1587
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 4: closed the door on that for good reasons, you know,

1588
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 4: and like but never, I mean, I don't know what

1589
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 4: the future holds. But like, I also feel like kind

1590
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 4: of my whole arc on Housewives, like, you know, maybe

1591
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 4: Jen is coming back, you know, and that's my perfect exit.

1592
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: How you know, how possible do you think that is

1593
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: that she comes back? Well that I never think of Well,

1594
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: first of all, they're they're both different questions. But how

1595
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: possible do you think it is that she comes back

1596
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: and returns to the show.

1597
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I think as viewers of reality television, we

1598
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 4: know that it's an absolute possibility. I mean, I think

1599
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 4: is I think is human beings on the planet Earth

1600
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 4: know what television is about. Ridiculous to say that it's

1601
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 4: not a possibility, of course.

1602
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: And then in turn the idea of you than leaving

1603
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 3: the show.

1604
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be gen related, but it would just it

1605
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 4: would just be the timing of everything.

1606
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, I mean, so then you're saying that you've

1607
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 3: closed that chapter on Jen that like you are you are,

1608
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: you're someone who is generous with friendship. You allow for

1609
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 3: a lot, but then when it's done, it's done.

1610
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's done. It's done for now for me, okay,

1611
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 4: But of course I have no idea where it's at

1612
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 4: for Jen and what's on her side. And I'm so

1613
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 4: you know what I.

1614
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 3: Mean, because I'm trying this back to like you having

1615
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 3: to like permanently in some way, permanently say goodbye to

1616
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 3: luck to the people in your past from leaving the church,

1617
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 3: like you are, you have, you have a model for this,

1618
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 3: and that's that's that's a good that that's a good

1619
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 3: way to move through the world in some cases, like

1620
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 3: you say goodbye to people in your life with some permanence.

1621
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and things tend to get better. And so I'm

1622
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 4: I'm that scared me for a long time, but it

1623
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 4: doesn't scare me as much anymore.

1624
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: That's a huge moment in life is actually realizing, you

1625
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to be okay without this person,

1626
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: and I could be okay without these this person, like

1627
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: because sometimes it's because when you are indoctrinated in what

1628
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: you what you are understanding to be like empathy and goodness,

1629
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: it's like once you let that go, you can like

1630
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: people are harder. People are the harder. Yeah, Like that's

1631
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: the thing, It's true. Yeah, And so I think that's

1632
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: why it's like it's harder to understand, but you do.

1633
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: You can understand it. As a viewers, it's like you

1634
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: are someone who cares a lot and we can even

1635
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: see that and feel that from you, even knowing you

1636
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: as well as we do, which we went on one

1637
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: sick vacation and we've hung out an award show where

1638
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: we get to say it's real, guys, it's really just

1639
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: because you want to know what like, we do consider

1640
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: you a friend because we can tell how much you

1641
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: genuinely care and that comes to the screen. It really does.

1642
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 4: I love the show, I love the women I have.

1643
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 4: It has changed my life forever, and it's like an

1644
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 4: incredible privilege to do what we do and to like

1645
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 4: have access and to like be and can parting with

1646
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 4: you guys like.

1647
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: You can take.

1648
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. And it was really it's

1649
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 4: just like there's I just feel like, I don't know

1650
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 4: how my life could get better.

1651
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really, that's wonderful. One last question before you

1652
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: move on to I don't think so, honey. Were you

1653
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: guys having fun together at the Culture Awards, Like were

1654
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: the Salt LA Housewives? Were you guys able to put

1655
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: things to the side.

1656
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 4: At least that, Yeah, we're the queens of that. We

1657
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 4: had the best time. Plus when we're on top and

1658
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 4: we're there and everyone like, yeah, it felt like we

1659
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 4: were the biggest stars.

1660
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 3: And were so wonderful to us.

1661
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you think we're going to bicker about no, Yeah,

1662
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 4: like we I mean there is genuine love there on

1663
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 4: my side for all of them. You know, they have

1664
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 4: changed who I am. They have shaped who I am there,

1665
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 4: they are why I'm here and who I've become, which

1666
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 4: is crazy, you know, because so much of my life

1667
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 4: was shaped by such different forces. And so, yeah, we

1668
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 4: had the best time. Like I laughed, I cried, I wept.

1669
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna say it was better than cats

1670
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 4: because it and it was. It was just like everyone

1671
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 4: had such a good time. And did you guys hear

1672
01:21:58,320 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 4: how Angie harassed gold Blew?

1673
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: No, what happened?

1674
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you that. Like, she had good intentions,

1675
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 4: but her presentation was awful. She went up to him

1676
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 4: and said, my daughter loves dinosaurs. Will you make her

1677
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 4: a video?

1678
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if only he knew, I was probably, but

1679
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 3: then she bad pedaled and made it all make sense.

1680
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 4: But I was like, that's not your line. You have

1681
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 4: to I think did he made a beautiful video?

1682
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: Am?

1683
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. And his wife they were great.

1684
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 3: But I think Jeff and Angie are on the same

1685
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 3: brave wing wavelength of reality. It's curious people who just

1686
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 3: you know, are you know just She's like, oh.

1687
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 4: She likes oh, absolutely, it's a specific dinosaur. You know.

1688
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 3: It was just like they were off to the race,

1689
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 3: two characters talking you and I'm telling you, like, it

1690
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 3: made my heart leave out of my chest to see

1691
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 3: you guys like having fun together.

1692
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: I hope we see more of that on the show

1693
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 1: this season. So before we go, honey, what's what's the

1694
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: come on the season?

1695
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 4: To come on the season. There's a lot of really

1696
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 4: really fun fun laughter. We have a lot of fun.

1697
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 4: We wear a lot of costumes. We are into our themes.

1698
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 4: You know, you do see us go on a yacht

1699
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 4: with Captain Jason. It is a jam.

1700
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: It really is hot, so hot, so.

1701
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 4: Hot, and it's just a battle of me be Britney

1702
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 4: obviously miserably.

1703
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: We have to say Brittany has definitely stepped into her iconography.

1704
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 4: Listen, Brittany should know that she may have a short

1705
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 4: game on the opp but I've got a long game

1706
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 4: and is in a few months. She should beware. You know,

1707
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 4: I have history with Captain Jason. I plan to, like,

1708
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 4: you know, lean in on that.

1709
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: I'll know where the party.

1710
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 4: Is absolutely and I just think there you'll see some

1711
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 4: growing pains in some of our friendships. And I think

1712
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 4: that it's good.

1713
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: You know, I go to Greece. We go to.

1714
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 4: Greece ofa and we that's the best moment. I mean,

1715
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 4: Greece was spectacular. And there's a moment where were on

1716
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 4: a hill with one of Angie's family members and I

1717
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 4: felt like I was on vacation, like I forgot.

1718
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 3: That I was, you know, working as it were, we

1719
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,440
Speaker 3: never say work.

1720
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 4: We forgot that we were on a girls trip friends

1721
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 4: in Greece.

1722
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, all.

1723
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 3: Right, well we forgot the scene saying I know I

1724
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 3: do admire how people on all the shows are like

1725
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 3: not you never said the show, it's the group. Well,

1726
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 3: when we were not never the reunion well in New York.

1727
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 1: In New York, New York.

1728
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 4: But you know what a lot of the dramas cand

1729
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 4: of be is. When we were at the last Culture.

1730
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: Awards, stop, are you kidding me?

1731
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 4: An audible gas.

1732
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 3: An audible gas from our executive producer. There's drama post

1733
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 3: Culture Awards.

1734
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 4: Well, depending on how well this get said, it is

1735
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 4: sure I will say if we s so a lot

1736
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 4: of things went down inter group.

1737
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 3: Are they going to cut to the Culture Awards and

1738
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 3: a flashback?

1739
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 4: I hope they can do my very best to make

1740
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 4: sure they do. Oh, oh my god. I don't know

1741
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 4: if you know who I am, but receipts prooved, Oh

1742
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 4: we know mine screenshots and I believe a lot of

1743
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 4: it's on footage at the lure.

1744
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: All I want is for at re union someone to

1745
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: go to someone else. You owe me an apology for

1746
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: what you said at the Cultural Awards, for what you

1747
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 1: did at the Culture Awards. We were at the Culture

1748
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: Awards and you were disrespectful.

1749
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 4: Bloom listen, Jeff Goldbloom's just the tease. We have three

1750
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 4: or four storyline, things that happened there that will come up.

1751
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 3: So you were disrespectful to what ben Platt was singing.

1752
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 4: You got into it with her introduce Lisa to a

1753
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 4: couple of people she didn't recognize. Listen, here's what we'll say.

1754
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: Here's what we'll say if there are cutaways to the culture.

1755
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 3: If the Culture Awards is mentioned in any you know,

1756
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 3: explicit way, you will be getting a recurrent yearly invitation.

1757
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 4: Is that all it takes inventive.

1758
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 3: Anymore?

1759
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, is for literally the Cultural Awards to

1760
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: come up, and then me and Bowen come out and

1761
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: gowns as friends of and sit at the end of

1762
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: the couch, just both I think, And then I go.

1763
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 6: You owe me an apology, and I say, you're a

1764
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 6: friend of.

1765
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: From across from no Man's land all the way when

1766
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: you're sitting on the end screaming on each other. I

1767
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: wasn't there.

1768
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 4: She was so missed so much, I know, and like

1769
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 4: we were all text well not all. I was texting

1770
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 4: her the day before and saying, listen, just you know,

1771
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 4: go off your phone for like forty eight hours. It's

1772
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 4: gonna be real painful.

1773
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: Missed you. You would definitely miss.

1774
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 4: And she was so phenomenal in this first episode.

1775
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: She really was.

1776
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 4: It was like, but if you had been there, it's

1777
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 4: like she's in Oliver First.

1778
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 1: I've lost my entire fortune. Yeah, you know it was

1779
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: like that. There was something about the fortune. Yes, yeah,

1780
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: at one.

1781
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 4: Point she said fortune. I think they softened it, but

1782
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 4: it was like, fortune is gone.

1783
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: I do. Fortune is one of my words. I like

1784
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: to say my fortune. I love fortune. Say you know

1785
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: has a great fortune, fortune of beauty.

1786
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 3: That's why we use fortune.

1787
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 1: All right, we gotta do. I don't think so, honey.

1788
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: It's time to get our giggles out about things in culture. Okay,

1789
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: so this is our sixty second segment where we take

1790
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: exactly that amount of time one minute to rent and

1791
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: rail against something in culture. I have a thing. I've

1792
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: realized that something that I never thought i'd have to.

1793
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 3: Do is going to be something I will gotta do. Okay,

1794
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 3: this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as

1795
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 3: time starts now, I.

1796
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey. I think I have to learn

1797
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: to ski. I've started seeing someone who's and it's a

1798
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: big part of this person's life, and I feel like

1799
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: it was already a big part of my sister's life,

1800
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: and I thought this was a good thing to bring

1801
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 1: up on this episode because I don't think, so honey,

1802
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: me skiing ever before this, I really do feel like

1803
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get hurt. And what I really don't think,

1804
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: so honey, is an injury at this point in my life,

1805
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: Like who needs a torn al at thirty five? You know,

1806
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, that being I'm told it's

1807
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: quote unquote fun. I'm told it's quote unquote easy to do.

1808
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: In the beginning the bunny hills, I know those sound

1809
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of simpler because a bunny is a very simple animal,

1810
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 1: the way it hops, et cetera. But the thing is like,

1811
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about me and my coordination. I'm a

1812
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,520
Speaker 1: six foot one man second, not known for my dexterity,

1813
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 1: and but I would say, you know what I'm saying,

1814
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,839
Speaker 1: It's like I was never good at like the surfing,

1815
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: and this, the snowboarding or whatever side second is so

1816
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: new to me. I will try. I don't think, so honey, though,

1817
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: if I get really hurt, you have to pay for it.

1818
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 3: Oh oh, and how did I get you?

1819
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 4: And I don't think so honey, rebettal to that I

1820
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 4: don't think you.

1821
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 3: Can't want Yes, this will count is yours and then

1822
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 3: we'll go to me.

1823
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 1: No. You probably came in with the topic.

1824
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 4: No, and I was panic is gonna make you guys?

1825
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 4: Now I've got one.

1826
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 3: Let's ta okay, okay, this is Heather Gaze. I don't

1827
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 3: think so, honey. Oh, I caught another historic episode. We're

1828
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: going out of order. This is Heather Gaze. I don't

1829
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 3: think so many her time starts now.

1830
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey. Matt Rogers using I need

1831
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 4: to learn to ski as a ploy to let us

1832
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 4: all know about his Mars press and the fact that

1833
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 4: he might need some extra help on the hill. Also,

1834
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey, Away for him to say,

1835
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need a lot of support. Don't expect too much.

1836
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: I have to pay for it.

1837
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he's doing everything he can to make sure

1838
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 4: he gets some hot ski patrol guys to guide him

1839
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 4: down the bunny iron, a saana and a hot rub.

1840
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 4: This is gonna be harder than it looks. I don't

1841
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 4: think so, honey. Matt Rogers pretending that he's scared about

1842
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 4: getting hurt to ourn acl when you're over a fifty baby,

1843
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 4: your body is in great shape, and all you want

1844
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 4: is for us to tell you you're not gonna get hurt.

1845
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 4: You're a natural athlete. You're gonna be a stats Also,

1846
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 4: surfing has nothing to do with skis a boardy neither.

1847
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 4: So your plight is unheard and like you're gonna be

1848
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 4: just fine, and wow, you're right.

1849
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I just need to shut the fuck up.

1850
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,799
Speaker 4: I don't think I don't want to get hurt this body.

1851
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 4: It's the truth.

1852
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: You are so good at skiing.

1853
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 4: You are honestly, I didn't know if this is a joke,

1854
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 4: the episodes from Utah. I don't just moonlight there. I

1855
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 4: am so bowen. I'm just an Eskimo Ski Club Colorado.

1856
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 1: I was so.

1857
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 3: I was a Keystone guy. I was a Keystone boy.

1858
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 3: We still go there.

1859
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 4: You were beaver Creek veil.

1860
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: I love beaver creeking veil. I need you guys to

1861
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: hit the slopes. I would have loved that.

1862
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 4: Okay, go on and I will absolutely do anything together.

1863
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 4: Did you see us weeping together.

1864
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: The way that I saw you? Guys absolutely connect? Think also,

1865
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: can I can I just share a little thing that

1866
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 1: happened in that same gazebo.

1867
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 4: Please.

1868
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: So I'm over on the side with with Amanda and

1869
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: Sierra from Summerhouse, who are both perfect and so Kyle

1870
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 1: just stunning. And so we had been hanging out a

1871
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: lot with Amanda but Sierra because because we were all

1872
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: doing the like Amazon or something. So it was finally

1873
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: they were all linked up, and so DJ Kyle Cook

1874
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: was doing DJ Kyle Cook cool boy stuff out there

1875
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: opening up the Ludicrous. So Kyle comes in and he's

1876
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: amped because he just crushed. He's like he was just

1877
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: acting like he was like a kid on Christmas. I love.

1878
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 1: It was awesome, So like, dude, it was so great, dude,

1879
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: and then Ludicrous's person starts the opening. DJ starts playing,

1880
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 1: so Kyle's like, we gotta go, we gotta go, and

1881
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: then like Kyle runs off, a bunch of people follow Kyle,

1882
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, we're gonna go, and Amanda goes,

1883
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten a new gless of wine. Can

1884
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: we take a second. And Sierra is still sitting and

1885
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: she's like, I know, And I realized this is my

1886
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: moment to be cool in front of Sierra Miller, so

1887
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: totally against my personality. I'm usually running after Kyle Cook.

1888
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,879
Speaker 1: So I go, I go in front of and Amanda.

1889
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, like why are we running? And Sierra

1890
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: goes yeah. For a second, I was like doing drag

1891
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: to be cool enough, and then I like got to

1892
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: sit down and like talk to them for a second

1893
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: and I was just like hell, yeah, I did it.

1894
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,799
Speaker 1: And then a half second later, AKA, now I'm like uncool.

1895
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: But I saw my second and of course then you

1896
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: heard yeah, and I was like out there. But then

1897
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: we had such an amazing see you.

1898
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 3: You got on their level as like like you you

1899
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 3: got a code switching.

1900
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 4: Icon, You're talking to a Mormon house spywitch. It's all.

1901
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was, truly it was. It was

1902
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: a good moment for me.

1903
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 3: Lots happened in that because a lot goes down on

1904
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 3: the gazebo.

1905
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1906
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 3: I was spread of man, loved it, loved it all. Okay,

1907
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 3: so I've lost the phone, it's fallen under Okay, I'll

1908
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 3: do quick.

1909
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 4: He left out of one bowen yanks.

1910
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now,

1911
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. Of the fact that I

1912
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 3: did not wait to get my first botox at Beauty

1913
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 3: Lab and Laser.

1914
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I got it done at the German.

1915
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 3: And I really genuinely was holding out on the next

1916
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 3: time I go to Salt Lake City, whenever that will be,

1917
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 3: I will get my first okay, botulism and join talks

1918
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 3: talks talks. I'll get my first talks in my face.

1919
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 3: My guy's a minimalist, he says. I say, I have

1920
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 3: to raise my eyebrows and express myself for work. He says,

1921
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 3: I'll go minimal This shit is crazy. Thirty seconds, I'm

1922
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,879
Speaker 3: I'm I'm new to this. You look amazing.

1923
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 4: You seem so surprised.

1924
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: This is this is?

1925
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 1: Do I do? I?

1926
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 3: I seem so surprised. Can I what's my range? I

1927
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 3: don't know about this. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm to

1928
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 3: really ease up on it. I try it. Maybe not

1929
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 3: for me all the time, maybe now and then in

1930
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 3: like the summer when I'm like, oh, like, I'm you know,

1931
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 3: I want to look dewey. But I should have waited

1932
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 3: to go to Beauty Lab and Laser. A sight of

1933
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 3: five second history television culture history. I'm sorry I did

1934
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 3: not go and be a patron to your business.

1935
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 1: How they're gay.

1936
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 5: Compored for life, and you look perfect, and that's one minute.

1937
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 5: I will say, it looks great, raise.

1938
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 4: Your eyebrows for me, and now make an angry face.

1939
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 4: This is my.

1940
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Speaker 1: Elevens are still there?

1941
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Speaker 4: Who advised him?

1942
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Speaker 1: See, my dorm says he'll only ever give it, So

1943
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Speaker 1: I have it in between my uh, your eleven brows?

1944
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Speaker 4: You're eleven? Yeah, but my it's actually the triangle of sadness.

1945
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I have it in my triangle of sadness,

1946
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Speaker 1: I suppose. But my dorm says he'll never give it

1947
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Speaker 1: to me on my forehead because my brow is too prodounce, uh,

1948
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 1: flat and thick. What do you think about this? And

1949
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: I'm worried about my own grimys.

1950
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 4: When a guy says to me that he'll never give

1951
01:34:57,640 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 4: it to me in the area I have asked, I

1952
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 4: usually break up them. Oh oh my god, that works

1953
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 4: for botox, that works for same, that works.

1954
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 1: For well, you know what he says to me. He goes,

1955
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 1: well he's gonna do We'll do your elevens. And then

1956
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 1: he goes and maybe a little bit over here, he's like,

1957
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Speaker 1: but I'll never do your forehead because I don't want

1958
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 1: your you're you're proud because he wants me to be

1959
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: expressive as an actor, which of course, but then I

1960
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 1: was like, but what about my understunde?

1961
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 4: I am not expressive as an actor. I cannot even

1962
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Speaker 4: lift a muscle on my face. I don't know if

1963
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 4: I'm smiling or crying or shocked and have Do you

1964
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 4: not feel my you feel it all?

1965
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 1: We feel it all?

1966
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 4: Then not do not fear the needle, fear the furrowed

1967
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:44,560
Speaker 4: lines that will aid you prematurely well like vulnerably.

1968
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: The only thing I'm really like, not good about is

1969
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: like just my bags under my eyes and like the

1970
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 1: like the wrinkles under my eyes are here. He goes,

1971
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: you are a candidate for a lower bleffo, and I

1972
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 1: was like, oh what.

1973
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 4: A lower bleffo?

1974
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: A lower bleffo, a lower bluff oplasty. So now I.

1975
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 4: Just think there's something sexual that only Duram said.

1976
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I gave him on the slopes.

1977
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 4: But I need a lot of help coming down the.

1978
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Speaker 1: Mountain and I need a bleffo stat geez. But yeah no,

1979
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 1: now now just bleffo is something in my vocabulary. I'm

1980
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:21,799
Speaker 1: telling everyone, Well, you know I'm a candidate.

1981
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 4: You know you can give you ask ask the housewives saying,

1982
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 4: have you had an upper left upper blaff or lower bluff?

1983
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 4: We just say bluff b L.

1984
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: E P A P. So when I go to Bravo,

1985
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Speaker 1: I'll just say bluff LB.

1986
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 3: I'll do a U bupper bluff. Anyways, well, Heather, I

1987
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 3: think we should take Matt to kay ski weeek or something.

1988
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: For sure, I'm on board.

1989
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 4: Would be left to coax you down the mountain. No

1990
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 4: torn a c l on my watch.

1991
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: I will be so good at the app ray part.

1992
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that matters, is.

1993
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Speaker 3: The funnest part. But you have to do the it's

1994
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting. You do have to like suffer through

1995
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,799
Speaker 3: the actual to make the upper even more enjoyable.

1996
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to feel the cold in order to

1997
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 4: enjoy the hot exactly.

1998
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I get it. Okay, Well much in the future.

1999
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 4: Listen, guys, Saltlake City, I am your hostess. All the

2000
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 4: wives are your host is.

2001
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna have to do like a couple of

2002
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: days with you, a couple of days with Ann.

2003
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 4: We'll just do an airbnb and we'll I'll bring them

2004
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 4: all in one by one. I'll make sure that they,

2005
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 4: you know, kiss the ring before they're allowed to become

2006
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 4: before they're invited.

2007
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: So Angie, Angie's first ever Watch What Happens Live was

2008
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: with Bow and Yang.

2009
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 3: And she was so she was like nervous, she was nervous.

2010
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 3: She was so nervous. And she still thanks me to

2011
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 3: this day for making her feel at ease. And that

2012
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 3: was that a time when I didn't know how to

2013
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 3: feel about Angie because she was so new to being

2014
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 3: an official housewife, and I was like, I don know,

2015
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 3: like I love Meredith, Like does what does this mean?

2016
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 3: Just the sweetness was so apparent. I was like, Oh,

2017
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 3: she's she's just an angel on this earth. I can

2018
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 3: already tell you just have no choice but to be

2019
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 3: nice to this person.

2020
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's love.

2021
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 3: Shauna left over there and then and you know, we

2022
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 3: just about it. She gave me her number. She's like,

2023
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 3: you were invited anytime.

2024
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 4: She's I mean, she's wonderful. She also has a sliced

2025
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 4: tongue of great shade, which we should not despair, if

2026
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 4: we should honor equally. I love it. I mean I

2027
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 4: forget she has the range eyes.

2028
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: I think it's actually an All.

2029
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 4: Timers are all timers, they really are.

2030
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: My daughter loves dinosaurs. Can you make a video?

2031
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, my daughter loves from his face.

2032
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: She's a great communicator.

2033
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 5: You.

2034
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: We can see how expressive you are.

2035
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 3: You are one of our great vessels of pathos and joy.

2036
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 3: You experience it all. You reflect the human condition back

2037
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 3: to us as we watch. Heather Gay, thank you so

2038
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 3: much for coming on our humble podcast.

2039
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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much.

2040
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Speaker 3: Really Fun Cities on Tuesdays on Bravo, Bravo, Age, Seventh Central,

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Speaker 3: Correct Correct.

2042
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Speaker 5: Who Knows, and streaming on Peacock Alone with the Culture Awards.

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Speaker 1: We end every episode with the song thank you for

2044
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Speaker 1: being a friend. Travel down the road. I'm back again.

2045
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Speaker 4: Your heart is true. You're a pel and a confident.

2046
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: I actually said friends in a confidant.

2047
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Speaker 4: Am I allowed to join in? Or is that like?

2048
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 3: Yes?

2049
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: That is perfect?

2050
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 4: And if you're a part.

2051
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: In battle, every one you knew.

2052
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Speaker 4: You get me and the corn and tas would.

2053
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Speaker 1: Say thank you for being a friend by yah yay

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Speaker 1: so lost.

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Speaker 3: Culture Racist is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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Speaker 3: Players in the Heart radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yet,

2058
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: executive produced by Anna Hasbier and produced by Becca Ramos.

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Speaker 3: Edited a mix by Doug Babe and our music is

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Speaker 3: by Henry Morsky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah,