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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and welcome to twenty twenty four. Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, happy new year at all. And we're on a

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Speaker 2: good note too, bringing in the new year, right, gotta

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, of course. The Steelers picking up a win

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Speaker 1: in Seattle, first time that's happened since nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Seems like a million years ago. But I was still

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Speaker 2: in high school. Yeah, I was ten.

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Speaker 1: It's a long time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just did a show with the Wolf. He was there.

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Speaker 2: He was on the field, paving the way for Frankis.

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Speaker 1: Wolf has seen them both.

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Speaker 2: He has seen them a good point, yeah, and many

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Speaker 2: in between it.

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Speaker 1: I told him on the way back, I said, you

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Speaker 1: were involved in both wins.

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Speaker 2: Big time, in major contributor in both in different ways.

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Speaker 1: Different ways.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: So the Steelers win that game, thirty to twenty three.

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Speaker 1: The running game O. I tweeted out at one point

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Speaker 1: during the game. I don't know if I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: an offensive line dominate a defensive line that yeah, in

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Speaker 1: the professional football game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't happen often, but it was a

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Speaker 2: butt kicking for sure. And boy, I mean the first

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Speaker 2: thing I noticed is just how hard the running backs

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Speaker 2: run too, especially Nausey. I mean, again, that's nothing against

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Speaker 2: Warren nor am I downplaying.

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Speaker 1: Good Morning Football and that on that Good Morning Football

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Speaker 1: and on the NFL network has their angry Runs of

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Speaker 1: the week. He does he picks four runs every week, okay,

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Speaker 1: and and then they vote on it and decide who's

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Speaker 1: going to have the the angry one of the week.

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Speaker 1: You get a T shirt, you get the little scepter,

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Speaker 1: the gotcha there. So there are four runs this week,

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Speaker 1: all four of them either involved Nausey, Harris or Jayalen

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Speaker 2: It's pretty phenomenal. I mean, they like take it personal now,

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Speaker 2: and it's like a fight every time they get the ball,

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Speaker 2: like I'm not going out of bounds, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: swing at you fight, you know, drag baro. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean unconventional runs, especially with Harris too, But no, I

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Speaker 2: thought they were phenomenal. Harris would have gotten my game ball.

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Speaker 2: But there were plenty to go around, including all the blocking,

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Speaker 2: the O line of course, the quarterback that pickings guys

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Speaker 2: all right as well on offense, so group effort. But

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Speaker 2: I thought nause you set the.

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Speaker 1: Tone Yeah, there was a lot of that in the

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Speaker 1: offensive line again, moving the line of scrimmage. It looked

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Speaker 1: like a battle down there and you just saw, you know,

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Speaker 1: the good line and they was snapped the football on

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Speaker 1: the line would move like five yards. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, just utter domination after play, you know,

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Speaker 1: like at halftime. I looked up the stats and Seattle

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Speaker 1: first half.

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Speaker 2: In the first half. Yeah, wow, I mean it says

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Speaker 2: a lot the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I think play and the Steelers had leading tackler had

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Speaker 1: five and then everybody else had three.

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Speaker 2: That just says all you need to know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like I think Bush, the former Steeler, ended up like seventeen.

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Speaker 1: It's seventeen the most seventeen meaningless tackles out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean making plays, jumping on people's backs eight

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Speaker 2: with friends and not being super successful with it until

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Speaker 2: you know, you go for a ride. Yeah, you would

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Speaker 2: never thought he was. He wasn't an impact player. I mean,

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Speaker 2: in fact that he had seventeen tackles is good for him,

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Speaker 2: but that's just stats on the back of a football card.

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Speaker 1: And we had talked about it that last week being

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Speaker 1: a path to victory. Oh yeah, that was one way

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Speaker 1: that they could do that. I didn't think that they

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Speaker 2: As early, or as physically or on the road, right.

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Speaker 2: And I also worried, boy could Seattle jump out fourteen

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Speaker 2: much as you want. But man, I think one of

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Speaker 2: the themes of the season when you look back at

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three Steelers are when they run the

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Speaker 2: don't have a any dominant but an upper tier running performance,

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Speaker 2: whether it's because of game script, the opponent, poor play

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Speaker 2: by yourself, they usually lose those games. You know.

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Speaker 2: We talked about all offseason. I think that started after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go get a big, physical tight end. Let's

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Speaker 1: go sign Isaac Sayamalu and Alan Robinson might as well

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Speaker 1: streamed it from the rooftop. Hey, here's what we're going

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. I mean, did they need her big as

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Speaker 2: an extra offensive lineman. We'll throw him in the mix anyway,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because he's big and nasty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and there's no question that's the foundation. And

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Speaker 2: when it's clicking, they're hard to beat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's quarterbacks playing well. You know, that's not

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Speaker 1: a bad Seattle team that they beat out there.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not impressed with their defense, but that's a

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Speaker 2: good football.

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Speaker 1: The offense is. It's one of the better offenses in

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Speaker 1: the league. You know, they were for a while there

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Speaker 1: it was matching score for score.

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Speaker 2: My halftime notes were, Seattle can't stop the run, Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: in second half it was different. But a lot of

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Speaker 2: it's because see, I don't know, it could only run

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Speaker 2: forty seven plays, just dominant. Like I'm not saying I'd

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Speaker 2: rather have a run game than a pass game in

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have a run game and a pass rush.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, to be able to do that. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know the Steelers only had the one sack in

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Speaker 1: the game, but I thought the pass rush affected yes,

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Speaker 2: I went very very well, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously he made a difference. But in those in

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Speaker 2: the kickoff, as soon as a whistle ends, and one

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Speaker 2: of my things was I expected more from the Steelers

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Speaker 2: there are two keys to victory. Were running the football,

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Speaker 2: we both said. I mean, like Steelers have an advance

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Speaker 2: other stuff. He was under pressure a lot, a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought they affected the game. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: so the Steelers come out of that with a win.

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Speaker 1: Mike tom and saying Monday, he's sticking with Mason Rudolph.

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Speaker 1: That's the obvious choice. It's I don't know that you

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Speaker 2: Really, I don't either, and everyone knows I'm in the

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Speaker 2: EPA and all that. But over the last two weeks

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Speaker 2: they're the third best offense in the league. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a small sample size.

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Speaker 1: Care who you're playing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think those defenses are great, but if

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Speaker 2: pull the plug. I mean, we were begging maybe in

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Speaker 2: you know, this team would be hard to beat, let

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Speaker 2: have to keep it rolling. It's a must win game.

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Speaker 1: And the two starts. Rudolph is thirty five of fifty one.

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Speaker 1: That's sixty eight percent. Yeah, for five hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: With Rudolph at quarterback, it's everything like twenty seven yards

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you put this in your ten thoughts.

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Speaker 2: three yards or more. Yeah, Bonker, that's a season's worth.

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Speaker 2: Pro most guy is yards for route running. This game

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Speaker 1: And the other thing about it, you know, you start

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Speaker 1: looking at the deep balls. Rudolph's four of eight for

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of them, don't pretty well really well? Right?

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Speaker 2: I did it was a next eight nine for you know,

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Speaker 2: just very high completion percentage on outbreaking routes, which are

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Speaker 2: hard throws. Usually it's you know, the ball has to

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Speaker 2: and I don't think of him as a huge arm guy,

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Speaker 1: The other thing is if you look at on passes

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Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that. But that's passes the eyeball

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Speaker 1: And the one thing he does on his deep balls

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Speaker 1: a lot of times is he'll just catch the ball,

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Speaker 1: step back and throws rainbow. I'm gonna throw it out there.

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Speaker 1: I trust what I saw at the line of scrimmage. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Okay, I think he's gonna he's gonna

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Speaker 1: and let the receiver run under. He saw it on

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Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody remembers Ben's last year. He was at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be like the right you need

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Speaker 1: This is a much different look to things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's going to be for that. There's going

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Speaker 1: You're not going to see many You're not going to

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Speaker 1: But hey, he banged up his shoulders.

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Speaker 2: At the end. Absolutely, And yeah he didn't think you

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Speaker 1: No, no, I you know, we both when we predicted

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Speaker 2: Well to be loud. But kudos of Steeler fans. I'm

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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable, very cool, and it seemed to help, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, the communication stuff was much much better.

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Speaker 2: No false starts. We even said, like they'll probably have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought the protection was was extremely good.

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Speaker 2: It's from the start.

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Speaker 2: And those guys are good pass rushers, the Mafe's and

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Speaker 2: But he couldn't have held that ball but instant longer.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL is like gone. You know that it's

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Speaker 1: always been amazing.

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Speaker 2: Say you're allowed to get better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing guy, and he has gotten better. There's no

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Speaker 1: way fans or butts about it. And he deserves to

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Speaker 1: make this start again. Next week. Yeah, we'll talk more

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Speaker 1: about what happened in Seattle and well where the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are at right now, we're gonna get to a break though.

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Speaker 2: I bet they're picking up might be back next year, folks,

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Speaker 2: who knows, might be the game by the case is good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so looking at today's practice report for now, today

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Speaker 1: was a walk through type situation. First practice back for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone's awhere. They play Saturday. But yeah, so

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Speaker 2: this practice sport's gonna be a little goofier than usual

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Speaker 2: right all week.

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Speaker 1: So Canny Pickett full participant. It's already been announced it

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Speaker 1: and he said it again today. He will be the

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Speaker 1: number two. Mike Tomlins said that yesterday Trenton.

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Speaker 2: Thompson Mason starting pickets two. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Trenton Thompson with that neck issue was limited nausea. Harris

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Speaker 1: with the knee was limited. That's fine, Yeah, you get

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Speaker 1: the ball twenty seven times like that. Yeah. Uh, Mica

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick didn't practice, nor did Landham Roberts. But those two

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Speaker 1: guys have a chance to play this week. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens tomorrow. Isaac Samli with the shoulder was limited participant.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was great on that.

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Speaker 2: I thought him and Jones were there. They're both were phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: But yes, and then Cam Hayward with the growing was

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Speaker 1: limited as well. On Baltimore side of things.

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Speaker 2: Real quick, if you don't mind, Yeah, I don't remember

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Speaker 2: any major Steeler injuries from this game.

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Speaker 1: The only one where somebody left was t J. Watt

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Speaker 1: when he got tackled late in the game on his

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Speaker 1: way to the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And then they weren't big on calling holding in this game.

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Speaker 2: They didn't call any right.

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Speaker 1: Not only did Forsyth, who was the backup tackle, not

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Speaker 1: only did he hold Watt on the play, he then

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Speaker 1: fell on top of them.

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Speaker 2: It was a pretty obvious call.

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Speaker 1: Usually that's a that's a hold right away. When you

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Speaker 1: usually get that cackle the guy to the ground right

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Speaker 1: in front of the quarterback or in this case, right

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Speaker 1: behind the quarterback, that's usually a hold all day long.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But no major injuries from that.

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Speaker 1: I noticed Oka saying what today was named the team

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Speaker 1: MVP of the fourth time, by the way, in five years.

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Speaker 1: Pretty easy call, yeah, he said today He's he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm playing so good.

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Speaker 2: Not a problem. But the ones to watch your Menka

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Speaker 2: and Roberts, Yes, throughout the week we'll talk. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about them a bunch.

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Speaker 1: So for the Ravens, this is a lengthy list here.

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Speaker 1: And they also I believe had a walk through. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers did not practice.

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Speaker 2: He was in another game of the calf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Safety Cal Hamilton with a knee was limited.

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Speaker 2: It's been two or three weeks for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine. He's so valuable to them, I would

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Speaker 2: not play him.

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Speaker 1: Linebacker Malik Harrison has a groin. That one's interesting because

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Speaker 1: he would be.

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Speaker 2: He would you want him to play?

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Speaker 1: You want him to play because he would be the

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Speaker 1: backup to Queen or and Or. Yeah, he's one of the.

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Speaker 2: Two bests, the second level guy, so you want him

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Speaker 2: to be healthy.

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Speaker 1: H Cornerback Marlin Humphrey with a calf did not practice. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I bet he doesn't play either. Cornerback

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Speaker 1: Arthur Molette with a hip was limited. You want him

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Speaker 1: to play? Yeah, I mean he's been good for them.

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Speaker 1: They've gotten a lot out of him. But he's still

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Speaker 1: he's still he still has somebody your target down the field.

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Speaker 1: Linebacker del Sean Phillips has a shoulder. He was limited.

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Speaker 1: I would assume he's one of their depth if he's

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Speaker 1: the second lettle guy or an edge guy. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: call don't know what they called the just call him

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Speaker 1: a linebacker.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: They do designate the difference between their outside and just

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Speaker 1: their linebackers. So that's two of their backup linebackers who

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Speaker 1: are hurt.

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Speaker 2: I would think they want to rest roque On.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Patrick Queen as a shoulder. He was limited.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you're going to be able to watch,

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Speaker 1: you might have to bring somebody up off the practice squad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Minimum cornerback Brandon Stevens had an has an ankle. He

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Speaker 1: was limited.

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Speaker 2: He's starter, he played, he's been playing really well.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's Humphreys and Stevens. That's to your starting corners.

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Speaker 2: Corner and linebacker in a safety mixed in there too.

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Speaker 1: Outside linebacker Kyle van Noy was limited. He's got a

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Speaker 1: calf injury. I would think you try to wrest him

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Speaker 1: if he could. And he's had a good season. He

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Speaker 1: had a good season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fitting really well.

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Speaker 1: Defensive Back Darryl Worley with a shoulder and ankle did

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Speaker 1: not practice it again, they get some depth guys that

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Speaker 1: are hurt. Like if you can't pull starters out, if

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Speaker 1: these guys are hurt.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to field the team. Yeah, all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden and get the best guys off the field.

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Speaker 1: And then guard Kevin Zeitler with the knee and quad

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Speaker 1: was limited.

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Speaker 2: Did he play it all?

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Speaker 1: He did not. Last week he was, Yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: an active. Now again that's an estimated report because they'd

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Speaker 1: actually didn't practice today. Should we get.

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Speaker 2: Them Let's do that.

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Speaker 1: Later in a week, won't Yeah. Well, one thing that

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Speaker 1: hardboss said. John Harbaugh had his press conference yesterday and

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Speaker 1: one of the things that he told their reporters was, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through a person by person

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Speaker 1: who's not who's going to play, who's not going to play,

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Speaker 1: But it will be obvious when you see us on

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Speaker 1: the practice field who's not playing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, so we'll we'll have pretty good answers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, day or two probably, I mean, no later than Thursday,

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Speaker 1: like you made. Okay, we're gonna let this guy go

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Speaker 1: limited today, but he's not gonna practice at all because

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Speaker 1: he don't want to sitting around all week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And plus you're gonna have to get some practice wall.

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Speaker 1: You got to get some other to know what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: got to get some guys ready to go. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, that's a situation.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to prepare for. It's hard to comment on

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Speaker 2: it is. You're talking off the air about how we

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Speaker 2: you know, we do this matchup show with Rob how

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Speaker 2: do you guys talk about matchup?

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Speaker 1: Can't get through specific right, It's exactly sure who's out there,

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Speaker 1: you know, in that situation, it makes it maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit harder for the Steelers because if you know

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Speaker 1: you're playing Lamar, he's different. No matter how much Huntley

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Speaker 1: is Lamar like, he's not the v He's not Lamar.

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Speaker 1: He's not the least they do different things with him

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Speaker 1: and what they do with Lamar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you had some good suggestions off the air,

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Speaker 2: and again, well this is more of a later in

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Speaker 2: the week thing. I bet they run the ball a

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Speaker 2: ton try to get out of there. And you know,

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Speaker 2: this is what you said, big personnel, the Charlie Kohlers

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Speaker 2: of the world and Nelson Aguilar's and m give Melody

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Speaker 2: and Gordon a ton of air.

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Speaker 1: He's run the ball four times and get out of there.

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Speaker 1: Because you're your main goal if you're the Ravens in

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Speaker 1: this game is not to beat the Steelers. It's to

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Speaker 1: get out of this game with as few as quickly

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Speaker 1: as possible, with as few injuries as possible, even if

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Speaker 1: they're depth guys. Your plan, you're the number one seed

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Speaker 1: in the conference, You're the only team that gets a buy.

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Speaker 1: Your plan is you're trying to win Super Bowl. We

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Speaker 1: got two games that we have to play to get

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. We can't afford even lose depth

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Speaker 1: pieces at this point because you want to be at

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Speaker 1: full strength when you roll into the your first playoff game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if it comes down to at the end

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Speaker 2: of the game, an extra point ties it and sends

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Speaker 2: to overtime, well they're going for two. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they're gonna be They're gonna be competitive. They'd

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Speaker 2: love to knock the Steelers out. But goal number one

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Speaker 2: here's win the Super Bowl. Yeah, what's the best way

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Speaker 2: to do that?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's really the same goal for the Steelers here.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to get into the playoffs. So you know

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Speaker 1: you're going to play everybody obviously, if you're healthy enough

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Speaker 1: to play, you're going to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And in question, guys not going to play for

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Speaker 2: the Ravens. They're going to play for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, and Landon Robbers is talking like

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Speaker 1: I'm going to push to play in this game, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, because that was a foregone conclusion. That's good news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, same thing. You know, you're a good

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Speaker 1: chance you try to get Mink if Fitzpatrick back for

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Speaker 1: this game. You know, there's no tomorrow. There's no tomorrow, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, even if you win this game, you don't

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Speaker 1: know if you're going to get another.

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Speaker 2: One and you're you're first, you don't know anything else

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Speaker 2: that's head to you. You got to do everything humanly

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Speaker 2: possible to win this football game, no matter what it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, and I thought I thought Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 1: said something today when he spoke to the media that

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Speaker 1: was He's like, look, The exact quote was something along

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Speaker 1: the lines of, there are things that you can do

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Speaker 1: if you're banged up to play in an NFL.

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Speaker 2: Game, something you probably wouldn't do to be the backup

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Speaker 2: quarterback and staying there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right right, you know, yeah, you know they're there

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Speaker 1: are things the trainers can do to get you, you know,

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Speaker 1: into a game. If it's questionable, yes, but if you're

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Speaker 1: if you're hurt, hurt, you're just not going to play

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Speaker 1: in this situation. You know, it's all hands on deck,

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Speaker 1: and if you can do it at the same time.

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Speaker 1: The last two weeks, Matt, they're leading tacklers Steelers. Yes,

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Speaker 1: have been two guys who were not on the team.

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Speaker 2: I remember you wrote this after the Bengals win. The

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Speaker 2: top three tacklers weren't on the team on October thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: In this last game, once again, Eric Rowe led them

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Speaker 1: in tackles.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see the tackle numbers. You know, Jack played

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Speaker 2: every snap.

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Speaker 1: Jack played every snack. He had eight tackles. Eric Rowe

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Speaker 1: had ten in a tackle for a loss. Did they

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Speaker 1: find something there with those two guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, at a minimum, I'm open

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Speaker 2: to the eye. It's kind of like the Mason Rudolph conversation. Well,

656
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: I mean we talked about with Trenton Thompson a few

657
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: weeks ago.

658
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Speaker 1: You know, did he earn me? He earned himself at

659
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: least a chance to come back and compete for a

660
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: spot next year. I'm not opposed to Eric row and

661
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: Miles Jack being okay, let's come to see him in camp.

662
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Come to camp next year, Let's see if he still

663
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: got it.

664
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Speaker 2: And I'd like to see Patrick Peterson as a safety

665
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: in camp next year. Or I'd love to see Peterson

666
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: play next to Menca hopefully this week and maybe the

667
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: next week. You know, I mean, you find some things out.

668
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think to Peterson thinks, I mean, that's one

669
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: hundred percent of done deal.

670
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: You think he's a safety from now on? If he's

671
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: a Steeler.

672
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that that makes a lot

673
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: of sense. Yes, he puts him in a position to

674
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: make plays on the football.

675
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he might extend his career. Yeah right, No,

676
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: I think that's the logical next step.

677
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: He's a great guy to have in the locker room.

678
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: He's a great guy to mentor your young cornerbacks, some

679
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: of the other defensive players on this team. He's just

680
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: a good guy to have in the locker room.

681
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: It was so apparent when he sat down with us

682
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: in mini camp, and really everything I've heard from him since.

683
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: He is so self aware and smart and knows his

684
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: strengths and weaknesses and has a great head for the

685
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: game and the whole business of it all as well.

686
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: And I mean that in a positive way, Like your

687
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: safety is next year. Were Minka Peterson in a second

688
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: round pick? Yeah, and the second round pick had just

689
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: learned from those two cool I like that.

690
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine you could pick the brains of those two guys,

691
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: bring a couple of a couple of all pros. Yeah,

692
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: that's like potential future Hall of famers.

693
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Speaker 2: Uh.

694
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Speaker 1: You know, I tweeted that out last week. I wrote

695
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: something about Peterson in my in my five for Friday.

696
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Some of the vitriol that came back on that, I

697
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: was shocked. Really, he's old, He's too old. He needs

698
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: to retire. He's not had a good season.

699
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, I don't know. I mean we've said

700
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: this since he's been signed. He said this since he's

701
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: been signed. I mean, does he want to play every

702
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: snap man coverage like Joey Porter is against DK Metcalf. No,

703
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: I mean that's not why he's here. He was very

704
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: successful with the Vikings last year on the zone. Heaviest

705
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: team in the whole league just playing the ball zone,

706
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: eyes come up and tackle. I think what four or

707
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: five league? I mean, can't he do that from off

708
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: the ball? I think he's got the head for it. Yeah,

709
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: you got the size for it. So I'm open to

710
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: the idea.

711
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Certainly, the I still think he has the ability as well. So,

712
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, your leading tackles were Eric

713
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: row Miles, Jack Patrick Peterson was third with three. There

714
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: were a bunch of dead He and Ogan Jobi were

715
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: tied with three tackles each.

716
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that was it.

717
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: Then you look at the Seattle side.

718
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: Maybe roads your force safety next year. Yeah, I mean right, yeah, again,

719
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: a guy that's played a lot of football. Then you know,

720
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: maybe he likes it here, Yeah, go thrust in the

721
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: action and he did fine.

722
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: You know, the only problem with some of that then

723
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: becomes a special teams aspect of everything. But again, if

724
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: you used a draft pick on one.

725
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have a veteran contract which more than

726
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: a six round pick. You know.

727
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: You look at the Seahawks. Devin Bush had again seventeen tackle,

728
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: twelve assists, five solo tackles, So it was a lot

729
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: of never known and again a lot of jumping on

730
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: some of the back Yeah. Bobby Wagner fourteen tackles. Your

731
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: two inside linebackers combined for thirty one tackles. You had

732
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: a long day. Julian Love had thirteen tackles right up

733
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: the middle of your defense. Yeah, forty five tackles.

734
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: Pretty obvious. What the Steelers are trying to do and

735
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: who there hacking and it worked. Yeah, I mean getting

736
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: running backs to the second level that is that was nuts. Yeah. Again,

737
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: a lot of push, a lot of guys, you know,

738
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: running backs making space and yardage on their own. But

739
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: it was also there from the blocking too.

740
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I thought was curious about the game,

741
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: Matt and I've never been a big proponent of this,

742
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, because you used to see even Pikett did this,

743
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: but Ben Roethlisberger a lot, you seem brady to get

744
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: everybody a touch.

745
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: Oh this up. I thought this was really interesting.

746
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: There were four receivers. Four guys caught balls. Yeah, Pickens, Johnson, Warren, Friarmouth.

747
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I'd attempt to pass at anybody else.

748
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: Five skill guys touched the ball. Yeah, I mean because

749
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: Nausey is the other one. Your five best skill guys,

750
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: you can anyone will agree with that, your best, most

751
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: five dangerous players. I know Ruff had to carry too,

752
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: but I mean, if your skilled dudes, your five best

753
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: are the only ones to touch.

754
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: The ball flowed through those guys.

755
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: Yep. It wasn't like we gotta get Austin at touch,

756
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: we gotta get Washington at touch. I don't care right

757
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 2: that you know, Robinson, you're blocking. He was out there

758
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: a lot. He out snapped Deontay for the second straight week,

759
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: which is there's a reason for that, but it's a

760
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: little curious too, But yeah, we're getting the balls to

761
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 2: our best dudes. Yeah, I mean it was a very

762
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: conscientious effort to do that.

763
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Speaker 1: And you know, you saw Pickens and Johnson blocking downfield,

764
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: and you saw, you know, the tight ends a lot

765
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: of the thirteen formations a lot they went heavy with that,

766
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: and Seattle just had no answer for it.

767
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to bring up Robinson too, Like,

768
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: I don't think this is a second week in row.

769
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: Robinson has out snapped Deontay, which immediately alarm bells go off,

770
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: like are they mad at Deontay? I don't think so. No,

771
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: that's because thirteen package and in twelve he's out there

772
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: with Pickens more than Deontay is, which is really like

773
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: twelve and a half.

774
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

775
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he's out there two block. But if you

776
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: can put two receivers on the field, two big receivers

777
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: with two tight ends and they're not going to go

778
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: heavy on you, he's blocking the light safety earth. I

779
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: mean slot or somebody like that.

780
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson is a two hundred and twenty pound wide receive.

781
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: He's a large man. Yeah, me six three and a

782
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: half or something like that. He's big.

783
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: So when he gets on a five foot ten cornerback,

784
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah. They using the crack back on linebackers

785
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: and a lot you know.

786
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 2: Kind's word stuff. Yeah right, And so he has value.

787
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a great separator or a great receiver,

788
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: but he can turn around eight yards and get you,

789
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, move the chains. But what they're doing is

790
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: being big with the illusion of being little.

791
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're talking about a guy who's been one

792
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: hundred catch thousand yard receiver in the NFL Pro Bowler

793
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: and you've talked him into Hey, Alan, you're gonna go

794
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: out there and block.

795
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there are blocking receiver And it's a different

796
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: version than putting Boykin out there when the whole world

797
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: knows he's out there to block, you know what I mean.

798
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Austin versus Boykin couldn't be any different. If

799
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: they come on the field, they tell the thing, they

800
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: tell the people's stuff, you know. So, No, it's good,

801
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: it's interesting usage.

802
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. And you know again they've done

803
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: this now two weeks in a row. Hit the hit

804
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: the deep passes, move the football, run the football. Well,

805
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: they knew going into this game that it was going

806
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: to be a run heavy game. At forty six rushing attempts, wow,

807
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: forty six Wow, people talking about, Yeah, there's a really

808
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: balanced offensive like one ones. There was no balance whatsoever.

809
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Fifty to fifty isn't even balanced in to today's NFL.

810
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: Let alone forty six rushes. I mean, how many passes

811
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: did Rudolph throw twenty four?

812
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Okay, they dropped back to pass he had they had

813
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: one sack, so he was he dropped back to past

814
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: twenty four times and got sacked once.

815
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not balanced at all. I mean the passing

816
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: game worked.

817
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, that's that's almost sixty seven percent runs

818
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: to one. That never happens in the NFLPFL.

819
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: Unless you're running out the clock. You know, you grew

820
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: up by forty in the fourth quarter, just hand the

821
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: ball out to get out of there.

822
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you ended up Now, you know, before earlier

823
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: in the game this was much higher than this, but

824
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: they ended up averaging four point four yards of carry,

825
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: which doesn't look you know, they didn't they.

826
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: There was also fourth and one's third and one, some

827
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: of that quarterback sneak stuff, you know, yeah, and late again,

828
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: like I think their longest run was what thirty three yards?

829
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: They had twenty three yard twenty three yard right, actually

830
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: both running backs had twenty three yard runs. Okay, but

831
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: if you looked at it, a lot of explosive.

832
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: The first half, it was twenty four carries for one

833
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five yards. That's six yards of carry.

834
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: And then the Seahawks adjusted came out run some bear

835
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: front and things of that nature that just to slog

836
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: up the running game, and that's when Rudolph's able to

837
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: hit the ball. All right, okay, you're gonna do that

838
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: boop over the top to Pickens and Johnson.

839
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we talked like it shocked me when we

840
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: went through their depth chart one week ago that they

841
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: called Draymond Jones an outside linebacker because he's like two

842
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: hundred ninety pounds six five. Well, it's because everybody's too little.

843
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: I mean, they had to put big bodies out there,

844
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: and therefore the box gets crowded and then you hit

845
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: stuff over the top, you know, this is football one

846
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: O one. You know, if you can do one thing well,

847
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: it makes.

848
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: The other thing easier. Yeah, it opens everything else up.

849
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: We're going to get to another break. He is the

850
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive

851
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to finish

852
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: up hour number one right after this. Welcome back on Dale, Ali.

853
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. And Matt we haven't talked

854
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: about this, and we haven't talked, but it is is

855
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: germane to the situation this week because the official the

856
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: officiating crew for this week's Steelers UH game is one

857
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: Brad Allen and his crew.

858
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: Is it really.

859
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 1: Wow?

860
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: So my initial reaction to that gaff was people were

861
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: making too big a deal out of it, YadA YadA,

862
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: And then I looked more into it. It was egregious

863
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: and it might cost the Lions a home game, you know,

864
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: I mean.

865
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: It probably cost him a number two seed in the NFC.

866
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: So if they played Dallas again, it's in Dallas most likely, yeah,

867
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: as opposed the other way around. We know how good

868
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: Dallas is at home. We know how good golf is

869
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: at home. And my initially thought like, both you teams

870
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: are complaining, but you're both being a playoffs. You'll be fine.

871
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Campbell shouldn't have went forward on after

872
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: the penalty and those type of things, and there were

873
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: some weird stuff going on, but that stuff can't happen. No,

874
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's this isn't embarrassing.

875
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: He was involved in that crew was involved in a

876
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: little snaff who a few weeks ago as well in

877
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: a game. To me, so apparently Dan Campbell, the Lions

878
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: head coach, went to the officiating crew before the game

879
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: and said, hey, we're gonna run a Yeah, we're gonna

880
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: We've got a special this stuff works, Yeah, we got

881
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: a special player. Here's what we're gonna do. You know,

882
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: watch out for it. The problem to me was that

883
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: the Lions tried to have some subterfuge a bunch of

884
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: linemen and three three linemen over to talk to so

885
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: one of them could declare.

886
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: Yes, and so in a way they made things more

887
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: complex than it had to be. But it was on.

888
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: That's how they drew it up. But they were almost

889
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: too good at what they did, because it's screwed with

890
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: the ref a little bit, but you're right, Like there

891
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: is a time that the head coach can talk to

892
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: the referees before every game and they will say, please

893
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: keep an eye out for this or blah blah blah.

894
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: Like I was listening to Nate Tye, whose dad is

895
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: Mike Tys, and he was losing his mind about this,

896
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: and he used the example. He's like, my dad, when

897
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: he was head coach of the Vikings, was going to

898
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: do something strange formationally. So he got a one of

899
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 2: those little whiteboards, drew it up for the referees and said,

900
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: this is how we're going to a ligne. Do you

901
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: have any problems with that?

902
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: No, that way you don't get an illegal you know,

903
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: in the in the heat of the moment, they see it,

904
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: they haven't seen it before, and they throw a flag.

905
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: That's an illegal formation exactly.

906
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: And Tys was talking about it. He's like, so my

907
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: dad calls that play, we align exactly as he does.

908
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: I can show you on tape, and they flag us

909
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: for it, and he loses his mind, Like we went

910
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: through this, you know, like here's we had this conversation.

911
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: Do you have any problem with this formation?

912
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: No?

913
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: We ran it. Flag ah, Like I'm sure, that's what

914
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: Campbell did. I mean, we had to tell them we're

915
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: playing on doing some weird stuff here. That definitely happened

916
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: in the pregame conversation.

917
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Now what they didn't do, and if you see the

918
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: video of it. Taylor Decker, who was the guy who

919
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: he was caught the pass, he's the usual left, the

920
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: usual left tackle. He aligns outside of the other tackle

921
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: who had reported in the backup, so like a tight end.

922
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: When you report to the officials, you're supposed to rub

923
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: a crusher as Randy Feake, You're always called it the

924
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: nipple rubbery because that's what you're doing.

925
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm number sixty nine.

926
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: That lets them though, even if they don't hear you audibly,

927
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: they can see visually that that's what you're doing. But

928
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: because they wanted to try to hide it from Dallas,

929
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: who was going to be the eligible there, which the

930
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: official is supposed to tell the defense, which is why

931
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: he announced it, they announced it in that situation. He

932
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: announced that the guy who had come into the game

933
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: was the eligible, which made that an illegal formation. It

934
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been. Okay, they called it an agile touching

935
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: I believe or whatever.

936
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was because it was offensive lineman, but.

937
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: It should have been it should have been ah illegal

938
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: formation because ineligible.

939
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should never even let the play go off

940
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: right right? R Okay, the one thing I know they

941
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: do and I forget his name. He is a second

942
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: year guard out of Kentucky who's like six five three ten.

943
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: He's usually their sixth guy. Yeah, but they didn't do

944
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: it that way this time, to kind of throw things

945
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: off side. Note, And this is kind of a Raven's note.

946
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: Remember a couple of years ago, the Patriots and Ravens

947
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: would always like align a tight end at guard and

948
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: like you never knew who was eligible and who isn't.

949
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: Like the NFL needs to eliminate that. Like, to me,

950
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: the two people next to the center, who is right

951
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: and left and the center should never be able to

952
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: go out no no matter who the lines were. I mean, like,

953
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: this doesn't matter what you're five.

954
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: Guys on on the left side of the tight or

955
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: the center, fine, but the two guys who are on

956
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: the right side of the center can.

957
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: Just can't move. Whoever, those five are not allowed to

958
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: go downfield, period, And would then that just end all this?

959
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care if.

960
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: You remember the Ravens did that a few years ago

961
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: when they had a guard go out because he.

962
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: Because it was somebody from the interior lines running routes.

963
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: It was them and the Patriots went back and forth

964
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: on this over and end, like this is not what

965
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: people want to see for one thing, and it's confusing,

966
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: and the game happens too fast. You can't have guards

967
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: running patterns.

968
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: No, So to me, I think both parties were a

969
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: little bit wrong. And that's because if Allen was unsure

970
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: about who was eligible the referee, it's an undown time

971
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: and on timed down it's a two. He could just stops.

972
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: Let's let's sort of go to the go to the

973
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: coaching staff, say which one did you want eligible? And

974
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: then announce it.

975
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: And then, like you said, it might have been a

976
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 2: prestat penalty, right, I mean if these guys are aligned wrong, yeah.

977
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: Because it's my understanding, he waited, I mean the clock,

978
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: the play clock was running down and he quick announced

979
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: that that. You know, so nobody had an opportunity said oh,

980
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: that's not the right guy or whatever.

981
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: That whole phase of personnel to me is more confusing.

982
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: It needs to be, and the viewers don't like it,

983
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: and the defense is a little bit of a unfort.

984
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: Even in that situation, Matt, the flag came in well

985
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: after the play had been run.

986
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: Oh well after conspicuously, Yeah right, Like who's like they're.

987
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: Celebrating the touchdown, they're running off the field and all

988
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: of a sudden the flag comes out and no, that's

989
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: he's an ineligible receiver downfield.

990
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well after, So I don't know, I think the

991
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: league needs to clear that stuff up big time. But

992
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: the refs certainly are to blame too.

993
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen, and it shouldn't happen in a high

994
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: profile game like that.

995
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: It should a playoff caliber type of game.

996
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, God forbids something like that happened in the playoffs.

997
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But even if it happens in Week four and

998
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: some coach ends up getting fired because one has left,

999
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, right, it's because of a rules interpretation, Yeah yeah,

1000
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: or somebody just screwing up again. You miss a hole,

1001
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: you miss a pass apperence. That's always going to happen

1002
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: till the end of time. So what you know, an

1003
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: umpire has a strike zone bigger than the next guy. Fine, whatever,

1004
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: hockey guys, you would get away with more. So what

1005
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: you know, but if I can't do procedural things, we

1006
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: have problems. Yeah.

1007
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: So you know there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs,

1008
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: which is why I brought it up on Brad Allen

1009
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: this week. So this is his game, right, this is

1010
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: his game, the first game.

1011
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: And it's also a national game in a standalone game. Wow.

1012
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: I thought he might get like suspended or something. I

1013
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: don't know how that stuff works with rests.

1014
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who. You know, was it

1015
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: his fault? Was it one of the other guys. I mean,

1016
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: they got a report to him, so I don't know

1017
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: if that was you know, on him or if you know.

1018
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: I've heard things. Well, he won't judge. They won't get

1019
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: a playoff game this year.

1020
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: Well that's great, okay.

1021
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: People tell that to the Detroit Lion fans. Oh wait, oh,

1022
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: he's not going to get a playoff game this year. Well, okay,

1023
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: we're going to get one home game, so potentially we

1024
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: would have got we would have gotten two home games.

1025
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: So the chances of Pat McCary or Chooks a corps

1026
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: for or Broderick Jones catching a pass go up in

1027
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: this game. We're going to see a big band touchdown

1028
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: and this controversy galore across the entire NFL because of

1029
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: who's the ref Now, is that an advantage all of

1030
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: a sudden.

1031
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1032
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: I hope not. Yea.

1033
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: So they get that going for him, which is nice. Yeah, yeah,

1034
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: So keep an eye out for that. We'll see if

1035
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: that has any impact on the game. Hopefully it does not,

1036
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: and the Steelers just take care of business and be

1037
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: done with it.

1038
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 2: What a horrible way to get eliminated. If well, Pat

1039
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: McCarry catches a touchdown even though he wasn't eligible.

1040
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: Could you imagine? Could you imagine? Yeah? Uh, Anyways, we're

1041
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: going to get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

1042
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

1043
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. That is going to do it

1044
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: for our number one. We will be back with our

1045
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: number two right after this