1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Hey, I hope everybody is having a great weekend. It 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: is Kentucky Derby weekend, so we thought this might be 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: a good time to revisit previous hosts Sarah and Deblina's 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: episode from eleven on Jimmy Winkfield, who won the Kentucky 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Derby twice and no other black man has won the 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: Derby since. We also talk about the Derby in our 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: episode the Kentucky Derby's First fifty Years, which you can 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: find in our archive if you want some more Derby 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: stories today, So put on your fancy hat and enjoy. 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to Steph you missed in history class from house 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm to blame a choko reboarding and I'm say and 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby is coming up on May seven, and 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: so I thought this would be an okay time to 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: confess that I have an inexplicable bowl fascination with horse racing. 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Really surprised me about you you told me this earlier 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: in the day. Yeah, I don't even know what it is. 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: It's not like I mean, I've ridden horses before, but 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't really very much into it growing up. I 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: had some friends who were, but even they weren't into racing, 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: so I don't really know what it is except for 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: just the stories behind the jockeys, behind the horses and 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: the trainers. It always seems whenever I tune into the 24 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby every year, I hear all these stories of 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: triumph over adversity, and I don't know great comebacks. I 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: imagine you have like a secret hat collection you bring 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: out for the Kentucky Derby, Sarah, I only wish. But 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: before we go any further, for those who aren't familiar 29 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: with the Derby, it's one of the classic American horse 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: races and probably the most widely known in the US. 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: It started in eight seventy five and it takes place 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: annually the first Saturday in May at Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky. 33 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: The race stist In says about one point to five 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: miles one mile and a quarter and it's often called 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: the most exciting two minutes in sports. Yeah, and like 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned, we do associate things like big hats with 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby, mint juleps, high rollers, that kind of thing. 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: It's a very elite event and at least in the 39 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: last one hundred years or so. It's not that racially diverse. 40 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: Certainly that's not the way you think of it. But 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: as we're gonna learn, there was a time in the 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: early days of the Derby when African American jockeys dominated 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: the US horse racing scene. Yeah, and so here we're 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: going to talk about the last black jockey to win 45 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby, Kentucky native actually, whose name was Jimmy Winkfield. 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: And we'll take a look at his short but successful 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: US career and the events that brought that to a close, 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: and his remarkable experience as abroad. But first, um, we 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: want to look a little bit at this history of 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: African Americans and horse racing, so we can trace African 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: Americans participation in this board to colonial times when the 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: British brought their passion for horse racing to America, and 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: according to an article in The Smithsonian by Lisa Kay Winkler, 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: even founding fathers George Washington and Thomas Jefferson frequented the track, 55 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: and former President Andrew Jackson had his own thoroughbreds and 56 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: black jockeys so very much a part of our an 57 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: illustrious start but the first black jockeys were slaves, and 58 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: they got their skills and their affinity for horses, their 59 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: connection to horses from doing sort of the menial we're 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: cleaning the stables or grooming the owners valuable animals. And 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: Winkler points out that being on the racing circuit once, 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: once black jockeys did start making it big, gave them 63 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: a sort of false sense of freedom. It was one 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: of the few ways that they could achieve real status, 65 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of them did. They went all the 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: way to the top in American horse racing. In the 67 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: first Kentucky Derby in eighteen thirteen, out of fifteen jockeys 68 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: were black, and among the first twenty eight Derby winners, 69 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: fifteen of them were black. So they were they were 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: dominating the horse racing scene. Yeah, exactly. And this was 71 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: the environment that James Winkfield was born into on April twelfth, 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty two, in Kentucky, and he was the youngest 73 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: son of George and Victoria Winkfield, who had a total 74 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: of seventeen kids. They were farmers, basically sharecroppers, and lived 75 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: in a shotgun shock so some of the kids actually 76 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: had to spill out on the porch at night to sleep. Yeah, 77 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: but little James definitely got interested in horses and racing early, 78 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: probably in no small part because he was growing up 79 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: in bluegrass country and he heard he probably saw the 80 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: horses and also heard the stories of black jockeys making 81 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: a name for themselves and getting big, and lucky for him, 82 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: he didn't get big. He's stayed small, which is of 83 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: course a requirement for professional jockeys. Even though he had 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: some siblings who were six ft tall, this is quite 85 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: a discrepancy because by his teen years he was only 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: five ft tall and less than one pounds, so perfect 87 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: build for a jockey. Yeah. And he started out just 88 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: bugging other groomers in his area until they finally gave 89 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: in and let him do some of their work for free. 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: Sounds like a pretty good deal to me if you're 91 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: one of those workers. But Jimmy then got hired on 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: as a groomer and an exercise boy, so he got 93 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: his own gig and this is how he got his 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: experience in training and kind of got discovered just riding 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: horses as an exerciser. And there were some trainers who 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: were looking out for opportunities all the time. To turn 97 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: riders into jockeys, looking for people who just seemed to 98 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: have that natural talent. And that's how Jimmy got his 99 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: first break in at age sixteen. Yeah, so he rode 100 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: a race at Chicago's Hawthorn race Course. But it didn't 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: turn out to be the big break he was really 102 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: looking for it. In fact, it was quite a disaster. 103 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: His horse broke next to last at the start, and 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 1: then when he thought he saw an opening, he broke 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: fourth from the rail and cut across the path of 106 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: three horses and he took them all down in the 107 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: process and got suspended for a year because of it. 108 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: He came back though in eighteen nine, strong as ever. Yeah, 109 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: he started winning races in Chicago. For example, in nineteen 110 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: hundred he rode in his first Kentucky Derby, and that 111 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: was out of four races four Kentucky Derby races. I 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: should say that he would ride in total. In nineteen 113 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: hundred he placed third. The next two years he placed 114 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: first in the Kentucky Derby, first on a horse called 115 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: His Eminence and then on Allan a Dale, And this 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: made him only the second jockey to win two successive 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: Derby's and I mean there's still really aren't that many 118 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: jockeys who can claim that our feet indeed, and in 119 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: nineteen o three he finished second because he made his 120 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: move too soon, and it was a loss that always 121 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: bugged him. I mean, he was hoping to go for 122 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: three in a row there, it seems. Yeah, I've read 123 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: that he actually talked about that loss until his death. 124 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: You know that he should have won it, Yeah, the 125 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: one that going away. So by that time, the US 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: horse racing scene was already changing thanks to racism, segregation, 127 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: Jim Crow laws and the economy me played a part. 128 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: Two recessions at the time really shrunk the number of 129 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: race tracks and the attendance at the race tracks that 130 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: were still open. And they were also anti gambling groups 131 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: going around, so that was further shutting down the number 132 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: of race tracks that were operating. Yeah, definitely, they went 133 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: down from three fourteen tracks in eighteen ninety to twenty 134 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: five by nineteen o eight, so really big dive and 135 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: white jockeys also didn't like competing with black jockeys for 136 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: the best mount so at times there was outright violence. 137 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: I mean during races on the track, black jockeys would 138 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: sometimes we pushed towards the rail um. There was even 139 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: a riot in Chicago between the white and the black jockeys. Yeah, 140 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: so times were definitely changing, and you can really tell. 141 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: Even though Winkfield one more than one hundred and sixty 142 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: races in nineteen o one, Goodwin's annual Official Guide to 143 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: the Turf admitted his name, so he he wasn't even 144 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: a player even anymore, even though he was still winning. Yeah, 145 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: and perhaps more seriously, or definitely more seriously, I should say, 146 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: he received death threats from the ku Klux Klan. So 147 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: it was getting really hard for a black jockey to 148 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: work in the United States anymore. And all those reasons 149 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: were contributing for sure. But he really sort of put 150 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: the final nail in his own coffin for his US 151 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: career because in nineteen o three, he was scheduled to 152 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: ride for one owner in the Futurity Stakes in New 153 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: York City and then he accepted a three thousand dollar 154 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: offer to switch horses and ride on the favorite. And 155 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: this was a big faux pot. I mean, as you 156 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: can imagine, switching horses at the last minute, and it 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: really hurt his reputation. Yeah, so after the horse switch incident, 158 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Winkfield's number of rides dropped by a third. So he 159 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: ended up moving to Russia in nineteen o four, where 160 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: he accepted a position with an American owned stable, and 161 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: there his career really took off again. His first year 162 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: there he won the Czar's trip Crown, which is the Moscow, 163 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: the St. Petersburg and the Warsaw Derby's and he was 164 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: also the nineteen o four Russian national writing champion. Yeah, 165 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: and over the years he just kind of kept on, 166 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: winning the Moscow Derby four more times on one horse alone, 167 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: and then several other times on different mouths. He rode 168 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: on and off for different owners of Polish Prince the 169 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: German Baron, so he wasn't just riding in Russia. He 170 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: was riding in Austria and Germany and France too, and 171 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: making a lot of money doing it. Yeah. His salary 172 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: at one point was seventeen thousand roubles, so it would 173 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: have been equal to about eight thousand, five hundred dollars 174 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: at the time per year, plus ten percent of every 175 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: purse that he won, so he was pretty well off 176 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: to say the least. He was living in this fancy 177 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: schmancy hotel, the National hotel in Moscow and having caviare 178 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: for breakfast. As we know, though, by nineteen seventeen or so, 179 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: there was trouble brewing in Russia and the Bolsheviks and 180 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: the Communists are getting organized, and the racing community was 181 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: really at risk because it was something that rich people did. 182 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: It was a symbol of the aristocracy, and so Winfield, 183 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: to protect himself had to walk around in tattered clothing 184 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: to avoid getting arrested by Bolsheviks. I still think that's 185 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: quite I don't know, it's it's hard to imagine this 186 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: five foot tall guy walking around and what did they 187 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: think of him? Like he would still stick out? I 188 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: think definitely. He was working in Odessa for Prince Louma, 189 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: miss Key of Poland and nineteen nineteen when the Russian 190 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: Revolution finally caught up to him, when they started hearing 191 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: the sound of cannons, he and the rest of the 192 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: racing community, which included horsemen and their families and about 193 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: two fifty two and sixty horses something in there, they 194 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: all took off an escaped to Poland. It was a 195 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: really hazardous journey one thousand, one hundred miles to Warsaw. 196 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: They had to cross the Transylvanian Alps, and they had 197 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: to actually unfortunately eat some of the horses along away 198 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: because they got desperate for food. But they did make 199 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: it eventually. Yeah, and once he was in Poland, Wingfield 200 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: again resumed his riding career and started to recoup his fortune, 201 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: most of which he lost when he left Russia. Even 202 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: though he was getting older, he did become a successful 203 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: writer again. He continued as a jockey through the nineteen twenties. 204 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: He won several stakes races and altogether he ended up 205 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: winning two thousand, six hundred races in his entire riding career. 206 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: That was one amazing thing I thought about this story. 207 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: I kept expecting some sort of sad end, but he 208 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: keeps bouncing back time after time. He does. In two 209 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: even when he was as he was building up his 210 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: racing again and still writing, he built a stable in 211 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: a home near Paris in Mason Lafitte. He had a 212 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: little family there with him too, by then, a son 213 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: and a daughter with his third wife, who was an 214 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: exiled Russian aristocrat named Lydia de Mickowitz. So when he 215 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: finally retired from writing in nine teen thirty, around the 216 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: age of forty eight, he decided to devote his life 217 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: entirely to training horses at his stable in France, so 218 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: he stayed put there, settled there instead of traveling around 219 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: racing all the time, and he trained his own horses 220 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: and horses for other owners too, and he ended up 221 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: doing really well by it. But unfortunately he loses his 222 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: fortune once again when the Germans invade France in ninety 223 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: one and the Red Cross evacuates his family to the US. 224 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: He's home, so he's back home again. And black jockeys 225 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: had pretty much disappeared from the racing scene by the 226 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: early twenties, and Winkfield was looking for work and signed 227 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: up with the Works Progress Administration working on a road 228 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: crew and later had to work as a groom and 229 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: an assistant trainer for a living, So I mean a groom. 230 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: That's back to where he where he started as a kid. Finally, though, 231 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: he got to return to France in nineteen fifty three 232 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: and start up his operation, his racing and training stable again, 233 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: and he died in France March nineteen seventy four at 234 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: age one, again just bouncing back. It's so impressive that 235 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: he had he had it in him to keep going 236 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: and try again. Yeah. It was a phenomenal life and 237 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: a phenomenal career really and very impressive. But it took 238 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: Winkfield a long time to get recognition that he deserved 239 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: in his home country. In the US, there's a story 240 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: that's often told about he and his daughter attending the 241 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one Kentucky Derby. Actually it's really sad. They 242 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: were invited to a Sports Illustrated event, a dinner at 243 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: the Brown Hotel in Louisville, but they almost got turned 244 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: away at the door by the doorman, and they had 245 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: to have him go check several times and insists that 246 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: they were guests and they were supposed to be there, 247 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: and they finally got in. But then even when they 248 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: did get there, they were essentially ignored by the people 249 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: at the dinner. The dinner kind of the people at 250 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: the dinner kind of came up to them and said 251 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: high and shook hands, and then they didn't talk to 252 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: anyone the rest of the time. His daughter said in 253 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: a two thousand two NPR Weekend Edition interview that the 254 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: only person who talked to us was a previous jockey 255 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: who had won the derby, and that was Roscoe Goose. 256 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: He was the only one who was friendly enough to 257 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: talk to us. Nobody else talked to us the whole time. 258 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: That's so sad and tragic and disappointing. I guess, very 259 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: that's the perfect way to describe it. Disappointing, And I 260 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: think you mentioned that. I thought this was a neat 261 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: counterpoint to it. Even though he's so disrespected at this event, 262 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: he said he still really enjoyed the race because that's 263 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: his element. He liked it, he liked being there. Again, Yeah, 264 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: from what I've read, he really enjoyed being at the 265 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: race and kind of didn't care that people had treated 266 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: him that way, or really didn't seem to care. I 267 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: guess because he had been through so much in his 268 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: life anyway, Transylvanian Alps probably puts things in perspective. Yeah, 269 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: that would definitely change your perspective on the whole thing. 270 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: I think that he was more embarrassed and worried about 271 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: his daughter in that situation, necessarily than himself. But regardless, 272 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: things have changed a lot over the past decade. Wingfield 273 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: finally got inducted into the National Racing Hall of Fame 274 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: in two thousand four, and in two thousand five, the 275 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: House of representatives passed a bill honoring him, and in 276 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: two thousand Marlon St. Julian became the first African American 277 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: to ride in the Derby. 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