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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: This is Rashan McDonald and I'm the host of money

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Speaker 1: dot Com guests. This we call legendary comedian George Wallace

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Speaker 1: discussing his book Bull Twitter and Whatnot. The online ramblings

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Speaker 1: of George Wallace. I will be discussing Racing America with

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm Sean McDonald my next guest. They call

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Speaker 1: him the Man, they call him the comedian, the legend.

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Speaker 1: He is George Wallace. George Wallace an award winning comedian

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Speaker 1: who has been selling that comedy clubs and concert venues

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Speaker 1: all over the world for decades. He recently launched a

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Speaker 1: twenty residency at the Westgate Las Vegas result in Casino

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Speaker 1: prior to the pandemic. Since city his name his name

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Speaker 1: through admiration because he's been that many years. By nicknaming

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Speaker 1: him the new Mr Vegas. Wallace awarded a Lifetime Achievement

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Speaker 1: Award as the sole Trained Award Comedy All Stars won

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Speaker 1: His first book book Laughing Off. Now he has a

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Speaker 1: new one called Board Twit and Whatnot. The online ramblings

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Speaker 1: of George Wallace. Please work on the money making conversation

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Speaker 1: my friend George Wallace, Hell, old are you a young man?

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Speaker 1: God bless you and yours and everybody, uh not that

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Speaker 1: we're on. Before we started, you gave me a little

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Speaker 1: lecturer and what was that lecture about? You? On how

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Speaker 1: many stations? And some of those are what on the station? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm on podcast and then I'm on church station.

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Speaker 1: More like about fifty stations now syndicated nationally, and so

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Speaker 1: I do want to let you know. You know, George,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have a huge story to tell us

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Speaker 1: about those churches, those church people calls as much as

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Speaker 1: I do what you tell me talking about church people.

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Speaker 1: Every sing over the church. Last Sunday was the first Sunday, right,

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Speaker 1: and you had communion. We got this new communion. They

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Speaker 1: And and I see little old ladies in black dresses

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Speaker 1: wafer off by the time the preacher say, let us all,

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Speaker 1: we didn't drink together. I see a lot old lads

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Speaker 1: from the mothers bore the white dressers ond this some

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Speaker 1: bull trip. This is some bull trip right here, bull

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Speaker 1: twit and whatnot the only George Waller, George, come on now,

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Speaker 1: we've been knowing each other for years. Your first book

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Speaker 1: laughing off. I loved it. I love listen, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. I had it was in the third uh printing,

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Speaker 1: and I sawd more books than I thought. And they're

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Speaker 1: still buying that. But the new book, right, it's going

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Speaker 1: crazy bull twitched. You think the pandemic has something to

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Speaker 1: their hands, unemployment. What do you think white people? Why

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Speaker 1: is it? Why is it? Why is it selling so

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Speaker 1: much a combination of everything? Because we are at home.

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Speaker 1: I'm at home. I'm inconcelerated here in Atlanta, sent to

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Speaker 1: can't take it too serious. But I'm very cautious. I'm

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Speaker 1: social distancing I uh rashan. I'm trying to stay six

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Speaker 1: feet away from myself. That's all. That's all. And to this,

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Speaker 1: I would let's talk about that because see em tell

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Speaker 1: how did you react to the pandemic? Well, I was

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Speaker 1: just like you. I was doing stupid stuff. My mask

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Speaker 1: I was doing all kind of crazy thing like eating

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Speaker 1: I wave better. I said, keep moving. Curve by way,

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Speaker 1: drive by way, drive by wayn drop by love's drop

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. The Stummer is not gonna get together

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Speaker 1: for Christmas. We're gonna zoom like we're doing right now, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: just it's just rambling right here. This is what it's

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say this to you, but it looks

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Speaker 1: I'm being very serious about Christmas in July. It's happening now.

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Speaker 1: we can celebrate Christmas in July. Jorge, how can you

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Speaker 1: take advice from a comedian? Now? Okay, because I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you're seriously, how can I take advice for you? You?

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Speaker 1: Finally do you alleged you don't You don't need to

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Speaker 1: they did not get the message here in Atlanta. Some

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Speaker 1: wrong by saying that. You know, sometimes we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the number being disproportional or in our neighborhood higher. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just tell your truth. Because they ain't

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Speaker 1: wearing the mask. Put the mask on, right, Please put

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Speaker 1: mask does make a difference when when you have their

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Speaker 1: fear as leader, we call our fearless leaders, George. You

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Speaker 1: know Donald Trump, who go to the Army Navy game,

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Speaker 1: have all these mixed messages. What do you say about

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Speaker 1: somebody who's leading us down the wrong path? Well that's

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Speaker 1: the problem. Since two thousand and six, I'm gonna write

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Speaker 1: another book. We're promoting my book to date called We'll

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Speaker 1: Twit and my other book excuse me, church people, but

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be the name of the books. Trump upped

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Speaker 1: Death's totally every day when that leadership crossed through, right

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Speaker 1: of the funny things. It's kind of like the kind

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Speaker 1: I've always liked about you, George is that your comedy

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Speaker 1: And movies that tell like, no, if you got you

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Speaker 1: What what? What? What? What with the plan? What? What?

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Speaker 1: What the uh? When you holding the paper with a

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Speaker 1: paper clip? Paper clip? Right? Stupid stuff. So, Rashaan, these

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Speaker 1: They come in there, man, they put their ear to

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Speaker 1: the to the safe, to the safe click click click open, okay.

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Speaker 1: Or you know back in the old days, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was watching, uh, the last Mohican Last That's one

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Speaker 1: back the name of Marchster Borrow. You're looking good, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying. It's don't lay away. Actually it's

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Speaker 1: we had. Well, I'm surprised you don't. You didn't you

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Speaker 1: I love where the shield. Okay, hold up the book

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Speaker 1: gege it's cheap. I'm sorry background. I'll just tell you

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Okay, Well, George, first of all, thank

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Speaker 1: my mom studio. Okay, that's real word mama jokes. No more. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't do no your mama jokes. But I did

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Speaker 1: of them. They blessed me. And uh and more important

634
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Speaker 1: your information that you've given us. And I want to

635
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: go right off the part. And you know, twenty has

636
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: been amazing racial year for us, you know, as African

637
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: American men. You know how we've always felt about the

638
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: police from a standpoint of a strong level of comfortness,

639
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: you know. And but but they're seeing it play out

640
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: in the public's eye. How would you say, cell phone

641
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: has player and cell phone has really been the game changer.

642
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: And I pursued a racial justice, there's no doubt about that.

643
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: It's a great way to characterize it. The Gutenberg shift

644
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: introduced by the smartphone particular, has changed the game. Now

645
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: you know black folking technology were always doing stuff outside

646
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: the box. Yes, we had beepers before we knew doctors

647
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: had beepers right right, Oh, physicians have them too, what

648
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: had and we knew what was up so and they

649
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: wasn't just paging their girls. Absolutely, we have always made exorbitant,

650
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: extravagant use available technology, and what we've done with the

651
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: smartphone has been extraordinary to be able to record. I

652
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: mean when we captured in Rodney King that was on

653
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: a home video record, um, but but a portable one.

654
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: Now with the smartphone, it's even more accessible. Everybody in

655
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: their mama, grandmama, grandson, you know, cousin, uncle has a

656
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: smart phone. Everybody wants to be Margaret book White or

657
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: you know Gordon Woods and was there or Deborah Willis.

658
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: So the thing is is that we're able to use

659
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: that smartphone to record what we say is true. We've

660
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: been telling you all that the police act out of hand.

661
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: We've been telling you all that no matter what we do,

662
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: they can cut the fool. As my dad used to say,

663
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: they treat you with disrespect. They will ignore you often,

664
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: they will ignore your humanity, your desire to be treated

665
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: with equality. They will be angry at you and resentful

666
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: for you even having a backbone or a voice. And

667
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: now these these video cameras have recorded it. Whether sometimes

668
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: it's on the body cams of some of these police people.

669
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: But we can't really rely on that because they turn

670
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: them off and on when they want, and they capture

671
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: what they edited in their altar their own advantage. But

672
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: the video recorder on the video camera on the smartphone

673
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: has changed the game. George Floyd, Eric Garner, Walter Scott Um,

674
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: Jacob Blake, Sandra Bland. We we know, well that was

675
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: recording from the uh from the body camp, but we

676
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: know that the phone can change the game and make

677
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: people see what we've seen and at least throw a

678
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: monkey wrench into the proceedings when people are trying to

679
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: act like we were acting the food, we were trying

680
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: to run away from the police, we were trying to

681
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: custom out, we were trying to shoot them. All that

682
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: has been put to rest. The smartphone is extraordinary. Now

683
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about this because you know, when you when

684
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm reading your book, you know, because it's like five chapters,

685
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, titled black Deaf, Black Blue, Plague, White, Theft,

686
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Seeing Read White, comfort. You know when you you know,

687
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: whenever I see a Henry Lewis Gates Journey Jr. No

688
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: documentary was on PBS. So you know, whenever he gets

689
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: to Dr Martin Luther King, man, I can't watch that part. Man,

690
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: that's the part of history. Mayor, I can't watch. I

691
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: saw this weekend when he was going through when he

692
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: got to that name, he said in eighteen sixty, I

693
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: turned off the TV. Now you may not get there

694
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: with you. I heard death. Seriously, I heard that, Paul.

695
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: I turned it off. I turned it off something I

696
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: don't want erupt you. But given what you're saying, when

697
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: I go to the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis and

698
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: get to his room from three or six, I cried

699
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: like a baby every time. So it's like, I can't

700
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: you know. And so the reason I bring that up

701
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: because when you start looking at the Emmy Till and

702
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Eric Gona, Brianna Taylor, and you know what happened to

703
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: the fifteen year old of Chicago, Penduton, And they had

704
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the cop violence, but it was

705
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: about you know, black on black violence and somehow how racial.

706
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: They goes back to the thirteenth Amendment when you are

707
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: really going to break it all the way down. Sandra

708
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: Bland out of Houston, Texas area. How did you emotionally

709
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: hold it together? That's the question I want to write.

710
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: And I'm talking to Dr Eric Mike's Dawston his book

711
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Long Time Coming Reckoning with RACI in America. Because you

712
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: are a scholar, you're intellectual, but you're still emotional, and

713
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: you see all this stuff lining up, you know, because

714
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: what happened is a certain series of disbelief coming about.

715
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: When you go, really, I forgot about this, I for

716
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: kind of about this. Tell us about that emotional journey

717
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: putting this book together. No, that's a great point you're making.

718
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: And look, obviously it was very difficult. Black people are

719
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: traumatized and we're re traumatized. We are terrorized, and we're

720
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: terrorized again. We are hurt and we're hurt again. Um.

721
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: And so having to watch this, having to go to

722
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: see King's place where he was assassinated, which gets me

723
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: every time, it makes me cry like a baby. Uh.

724
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: You know, people ask, well, why did you write the

725
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: book the way you did. I'll tell you why, Because,

726
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: as you said, I'm not just an intellectual. I'm not

727
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: just a scholar, I'm a human being, I'm a black man.

728
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: When I see this stuff happening to black people, I

729
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: have a choice. I have to choose how to present it.

730
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: I have to choose how to articulate it. I have

731
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: to choose how to express it. But I make a decision.

732
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: Do I want to share the horror of what happened

733
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: to George Floyd? Yes? Do I want to share the

734
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: horror of what happened to a mad Arbor? Yes? Now

735
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it for sensational purposes. I

736
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: don't want to turn it into the pornography of black death,

737
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: where these are snuff films, the last few minutes of

738
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: black life shown on a recording that none of us

739
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: should see. There's no question. But at the same time,

740
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: I figured, if they could endure the death, if they

741
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: could actually die, if they could sacrifice their lives not intentionally,

742
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: there their their purpose here on earth wasn't, as far

743
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: as they knew, to amplify or to echo the extraordinary

744
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: quest for black justice in our time. And yet because

745
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: of the nature of their death, that's exactly what happened.

746
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: George Floyd said he wants to change the world. He

747
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: didn't mean die and change the world. He didn't mean

748
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: die and leave his daughter and other children behind. He

749
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: didn't mean dieu in a enignominious death where he was

750
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: asphyxiated by the cops on a pavement street, where they

751
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: kept their knees on his neck for more than nine minutes.

752
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: But because of how he died, that transformed this culture

753
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: and indeed shook the globe. So if they could endure

754
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: the death, the least we could do it's to grapple

755
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: with the hurt, the pain, the trauma, so that when

756
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: we watch it and see it and learn about it,

757
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 1: we can say we don't want this happening to anybody else,

758
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: and let's make this the last time. That's the hope

759
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: I have. And try to talk about what these people

760
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: have been through in this book. Well, you style it

761
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: into letters, and it really was you know, when I

762
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: when I started reading, like I already told you, broken

763
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: down into five chapters. But the letter like Black Death

764
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: is tied to in Matil and you your story, it

765
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: really was a very humane way of of sadness. Like

766
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, Sam Cook, you know change is gonna come

767
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: and I don't think so okay, and we're gonna be

768
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: at the mountaintown. We'll see on the other side. I

769
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: don't think so. And that's what your book is trying

770
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: to say. It's not is sane, But can we make

771
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: it to them out top and look on the other side?

772
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: Will change come? Dr? Dison? Yeah, that's a great question.

773
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Not inevitably, not automatically. Not if we don't do it

774
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: to make it happen ourselves. Not if we don't do

775
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: the things that will make change happen. It won't happen

776
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: because we wish it into existence. It won't happen because

777
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: we hope it into existence. It won't even happen if

778
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: we pray it into existence. You got to practice it

779
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: into existence. We got to operate it into existence. We

780
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: got to act and do do real live you know, practice,

781
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: real live you know activity, social motion, social revolution, social resistance.

782
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: We got to get up and intend the world to

783
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: be different. It will not change of its own. You

784
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: and I must grapple with the means toward that end.

785
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: And I do believe change can come, but only if

786
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: we recognize that. We've got to continue to raise our consciousness,

787
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: raise our voices, and raise the awareness of the dominant

788
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: culture and among ourselves of what things should be done,

789
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: what things should be addressed, the mechanisms by which that

790
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: change occurs, and how we can continue to resist link

791
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: arms and Naimes, as Susan Taylor says, with other like

792
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: minded people to make a difference in that sense, Yes,

793
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: I am hopeful, not optimistic optimism as the Ryan Holdnieber

794
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: the Theologian ship as a said, as a shallow virtue.

795
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: But hope is deep. Hope is something that you believe

796
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: in even when you can't see the evidence for it.

797
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: You keep all moving forward. That's what I have, and

798
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: I do believe that change will come. Sam Cook has

799
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: told us that here's something I've I've heard this a

800
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of her. Tom Trump saying, there's a lot the

801
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: word counsel is in your chapter four seeing read when

802
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: you start talking about counseling culture a culture cancelation and

803
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: Trump is saying that when you when you get rid

804
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: of the the Confederate Statute, that's counseling that culture denied.

805
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: But then he doesn't let everybody know that we've been

806
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: canceled all the way because that information about slavery. You

807
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: know how Jim crow Laws is counseled because they don't

808
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: tell us about that because they don't want white people

809
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable when he's sitting in the classroom talking

810
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: about what the ancestors did to us. So we've lived

811
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: a life of culture cancelation. What is your So I'm

812
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: I feel I'm with the right man to ask this question.

813
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: What is culture cancelation of canceling culture. That's a brilliant,

814
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: brilliant analysis, and we have certainly been canceled. You are

815
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: so right. That's why I'm against councel culture in our expression,

816
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: because white supremacy is cancel culture. And I'm saying the

817
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: councel culture even if we call it black Twitter or

818
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: social media. Look, you might get a Bill cos but

819
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: you might get a Harvey Weinstein, you might get an R. Kelly,

820
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: But for the most part, you're doing the lateral movement.

821
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: You're doing peer to peer and even some of the

822
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: powerful people you go after because you disliked them. But

823
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: the cancel another human being, that's a white supremacist fashion,

824
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: uh fantasy. That's a delusion that we can totally eviscerat

825
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: or wipe out, hold accountable, yes, make people responsible, yes,

826
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: but to cancel them if you make a mistake, once

827
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: you're done and gone. I believe if Martin Luther King Jr.

828
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: And Malcolm X were here today, they would be canceled.

829
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: Somebody would be trying to cancel them because of their faults,

830
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: because of their failures, because of their narrowness on some issues.

831
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: And yet these men did extraordinary things for us, the

832
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: absence of which would make us far poorer in spirit

833
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: and in racial achievement. So to me, I'm not meaning

834
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump is meaning. He's a about cancel culture

835
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: as pulling down them during uh Confederates flags and statues. Yeah, uh,

836
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm all for that. I'm all for

837
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: pulling them off the pedestal. That's not what I mean

838
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: by cancel culture. His notion of cancel culture is the

839
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: ability to continue to be demagogic and to be dictatorial,

840
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: and to be fascist, and to be anti just anti black,

841
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: anti brown, anti indigenous, and to be exempt from social

842
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: critique and moral responsibility. That ain't what I'm talking about.

843
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the inclination to believe that your moral

844
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Speaker 1: position is the only one, that the way you deal

845
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: with people with whom you disagree or who honestly make

846
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: mistakes is to obliterate them is to wipe them out

847
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: so that they have no comeback if they make one mistake,

848
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Speaker 1: whether they're the governor of Virginia who appears in black face.

849
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: And if you canceled him, what would you have missed

850
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: the fact that he restored the voting rights of ten

851
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: thousand ex prisoners UH in returning citizens in Virginia, a

852
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: large proportion of whom we're black, the stuff he did

853
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: with public health UH, and also the wealth disparities and

854
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: some of the social justice issues there. If you cancel him,

855
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: you cancel the opportunity to reorganize the logic of democracy

856
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 1: in Virginia. So the thing is not to cancel people.

857
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Hold them accountable, make them responsible. Yes, pay for your

858
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: quote sins, But allow me a comeback so I can

859
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: say what what LLL. Don't call it a come back.

860
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: I've been here for years, Mama said, knock you out.

861
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: Let me have a chance to be redeemed, to be restored.

862
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I am not down with this evisceration, this eradication, this extirpation.

863
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: This is just wiping them out because I disagree with you,

864
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: whether it's about sexuality, whether it's about gender, whether it's

865
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: about race. I don't want to witch hunt through white America. Heye,

866
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, did you call somebody the inn word

867
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: or did you do something wrong? I'm sure a lot

868
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: of people did a lot of stupid stuff. Or when

869
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: somebody's thirteen years old and they the miignorant stuff and

870
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: now here they are fifteen years later trying to you know,

871
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: become a ball player or get drafted, and we go

872
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: dig up about the stupid stuff that feat I mean, right,

873
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: And my thing is, I'm not saying don't hold people

874
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Speaker 1: accountable for if you still feel the same thing at

875
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: at that you felt a thirteen and it was racist

876
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: and vicious, that's a different story. But if you evolved,

877
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: if you've grown, if you said some stuff when you

878
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: were younger it was dumb, or you said some stuff

879
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: that when you were younger, and now that you're more

880
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: mature in a different position, you're willing to change your mind.

881
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: Let's provide people the opportunity to grow intov all. I

882
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: believe with that, you know, in reading your book and

883
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Dr Eric Dice, Michael Eric Dyson A

884
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: long time coming up reckoning with the RACI in America.

885
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: The thing that it was two things in the book

886
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: that really I was just taking it back. The detail

887
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: you know in your book, how you timelined out you know,

888
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: George Floyd's murder, how you timelined out the interactions between

889
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: human Aubrey when he was hunted down black man running

890
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. You know, uh, you know, the father

891
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: and son and then the cameraman who said he was

892
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: just there alone for the moment, but then he blocked

893
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: his path. So what I'm telling you is this, you

894
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: gave me information I didn't know, which is a brilliant

895
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Uh understand, because you realized that we need people like

896
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: you to give us the additional details because the media

897
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: is only gonna give you a minute or nanny seconds

898
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: or caption of what it is. This book gives you

899
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: the details, especially on that my my mom Aubrey. If

900
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: you want to know exactly where we went down, you

901
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: gotta ride. They gotta buy your book, Michael, because your book.

902
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Man is like, I was like, wow, you know, I

903
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: mean from the time he got shot, then he got

904
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: shot again, and then he hit him to try to

905
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: fend himself off while he was being pursued, while he

906
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: was being shot in attack, how he was cut off

907
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: by this quote unquote. I was just there to take

908
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: film everything. I wasn't trying to stop him from escaping

909
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: or trying to stop him from doing it. Thing. Wow,

910
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: how did all this information come to you? And how

911
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: did you think to detail it out like that? Because

912
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling it's brilliant, because it opened my eyes and

913
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: brought me emotionally back to the forefront. I got to

914
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: know more. I need to know more. And this is

915
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: a fantastic book. Well, first of all, I talked to

916
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people on this book tour, and you

917
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: wanted the very few to dig into that, to acknowledge that,

918
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: to talk about that. And I thank you for reading

919
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: the book thoroughly, my man number one, because everybody who

920
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: talking to you ain't read Joe book. And you have

921
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: read it. Not only have you read it, you read

922
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: it thoroughly. Um, And that's a real honor, and thank

923
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: you for that. Yes, I wanted to lay that out. Look,

924
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 1: I did the quote spade work. I did the shoe

925
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: leather on the pavement kind of work. I went and

926
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: dug up the facts. I listened to the transcripts um

927
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: of what was happening, there. I looked at the film.

928
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: I looked at the breakdown, I looked at the timing.

929
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: I looked at what the father was doing. I looked

930
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: at what they claimed that they were doing. But, like

931
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: you said, the witness, I'm just there as an innocent party.

932
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: Now you the third dude there, and you try to

933
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: block my man from going any further and then retroactively

934
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: after the fact ex post facto, you trying to, as

935
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: my daddy would say, make like you the darned hero,

936
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: and you're the one who made it possible for the

937
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: film to get out in the world. But you know

938
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: them other two white boys are the father and son

939
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: are mad at him. Why the hell are you recording this?

940
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: And that recording is essentially it should clench our conviction.

941
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: It should put us in jail for the rest of

942
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: our lives, because we hunted this man down like an animal.

943
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: He was unarmed, he had no possibility of self defense,

944
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: he had committed no crime, and out of wanting disregard

945
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: for his life and the stereotypical pursuit of a black

946
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: man as an animal, they went and hunted him down

947
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: and shot him and killed him. And I wanted every

948
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: element of that to be brought to the fort, the

949
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: details to be rich so that people can understand exactly

950
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: what went down. I'm telling some again because now I

951
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: this day why he was, you know, brought up on charges,

952
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: because at first all that could be in with witness witness,

953
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Speaker 1: and then when they brought him up on charges, I

954
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: really didn't understand why he brought up on charges. But

955
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: then when you say he cut him off, which forced

956
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: armand Aubrey to go back towards the father and son

957
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: duo who were pointing guns at him, and then they

958
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: dropped out the truck. And that's when he was just

959
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: fighting for his life. After that, he was just fighting

960
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: for his life after that. And then when you looked

961
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: at and then when you laid down the detail on

962
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: George Floyd, you know, one was on his neck, one

963
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: was on his back, and one was on his legs.

964
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: That type of detail really allowed me to appreciate you know,

965
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: your your your the ability to tell your story. You're

966
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: a great storyteller. You're great story We need great storytellers

967
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: because of the fact that great storytelling tied the great

968
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: facts and great information. And you're live a little tremendous

969
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: about of information that uplifted me, opened my eyes, and

970
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: I also allowed me to be able to share this

971
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 1: book with other my fans, my family member, my daughter

972
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: and people know need to understand. I just love the

973
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: way you told the story and tied into an individual

974
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: who's been traumatized and they traumatized to the point that

975
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: they were killed by transactional whether it was tied to

976
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: the police or community gang violence type situation that happened

977
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: to the fifteen year old of Chicago, a young lady

978
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: by name of Pumpton, who all knew as a scholar

979
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: student and all that in her life was snuff dit.

980
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: And your beauty of this story is like the whatever

981
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: right right? No? Thank you again. The close reading mcdonnald

982
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: was doing here is an object lesson in critique, criticism

983
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: and engagement with a book. Man, this is what this

984
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: is what authors like live for. Did somebody take them seriously?

985
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna agree with me. Just read what the

986
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: heck guy said. And I don't even care if you

987
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: argue with me, aren't you based on the facts of

988
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: what you read? And that's what you're doing. Man, Thank

989
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: you so much. And yes, I wanted to talk about

990
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: both hands. The Pendleton I wanted to talk about. Now

991
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: we know it's really called neighbor to neighbor violence. People

992
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: kill where they live. Er black people who are killed

993
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: are killed by black people, but eighty four percent of

994
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: white people who are killed are killed by white people.

995
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: So we ain't got no Oh my god, why don't

996
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: white crime is gonna drive White America into the dull

997
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: drums and create catastrophe. People kill where they live. They

998
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: don't get on no bus and take no tram and

999
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: take no train, opt to kill nobody. They're killing right

1000
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: where they are, because that's where the drama is. That's

1001
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: where the trauma is, that's where the hurt is, that's

1002
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: where the beef is. She was mistaken for a gang member,

1003
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: right they shot into the crowd, shot her in the back.

1004
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: One of them shot her, the other one drove the

1005
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: getaway car, and she was killed. Three lives lost, two

1006
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: of them are serving life in prison, and her dear

1007
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: Pendleton is lost. And that is the tragedy I wanted

1008
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: to speak about to illuminate the context of council culture

1009
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: because I draw a parallel between us snuffing out our

1010
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: own in the radius of our intimacy, where are kin

1011
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: folk are that ends up hurting and harming them and

1012
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: the way in which cancel culture operates to destroy communities, well,

1013
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: destroy careers, and destroy human beings based upon the digital

1014
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: lynch mob going out getting like they used when they want.

1015
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: You mentioned Emmett Till when they hung him and murdered him.

1016
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: It's a digital version of that lynch mob going on,

1017
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: and I wanted to address that and as honest and

1018
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: straightforward a way as possible. Well, thank you Michael for

1019
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thank you for giving me a

1020
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: book to read. Uh, you know, this is my new show.

1021
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm have a little table and we'll put back here

1022
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be one of the books. I'm gonna

1023
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: keep my favorites on that. So if anybody say I

1024
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: think I saw her Shaw show and he had your book,

1025
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: it's in behind him again. Man, man, you got a

1026
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: bunch of book have and have a few selected more.

1027
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: I think that I called game changers. This is a

1028
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: game change. And thank you for coming on my show, Michael.

1029
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You one of the great

1030
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: figures in our community and in our culture. You've been

1031
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: out here for you a long distance runner. You ain't

1032
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: no sprinter a long distance run that you've made my brother,

1033
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: thank you for having me on the show and keep

1034
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: winning a band university. Okay, thank you, my brother, appreciate

1035
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: thank you. We talked to Bye bye. Will your more

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Speaker 1: to money making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald. My

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Speaker 1: next guest is chef Triggay Fraser. She grew up eating

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Speaker 1: her grandmother's farm fresh cooking. She's a seasoned chef who

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Speaker 1: likes to twist old fashioned recipes with her own unique flair.

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Speaker 1: She learned the basis at the cardon Blue, but she

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Speaker 1: soon re lies that her own love for cooking cane

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00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: from her youthful soul and love for fusion cuisine. Chef

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00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: tre Gay is a successful, self employed mother who relates

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Speaker 1: best to a younger generation. She's the first African American

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00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: woman to win Food Network Star, two time competitor of

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Speaker 1: Cutthrough Kitchen, and three time Competitive Guys Grocery Games. She

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Speaker 1: has her own show on the own network called triggage

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00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: Way that airs every Saturday afternoon at twelve thirty pm.

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Speaker 1: Please working the money making conversation. She got a lot

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Speaker 1: to say now, Chef Triggy, whoa boy? A lot to

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Speaker 1: say now about you? Nine, let's talk about it because

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Speaker 1: I you know, I can bake a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 1: I can really bag, I could really bake and now now,

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00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: but these competitions are a different world because see I've

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Speaker 1: been asked to come on some of these shows as

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Speaker 1: a contestant. Okay, and I told now not, rather be

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Speaker 1: a judge. But then I realized that they don't prep

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Speaker 1: you on the recipes. Okay, Let's let's go. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the Food Network. Start where you became the African,

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Speaker 1: first African American woman to win the Food Network. Start.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that competition, oh man, that competition was

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00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: really stiff. It was really tight. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in UM just the power of manifestation,

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00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: and I believe anything that I want to do, I

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00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: can't do UM. And it was so funny because before

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Speaker 1: I got on that show, I was want to show

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00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: called Cutthroat Kitchen and God's Grocery Games. I had been

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00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: doing a lot of competing, right, And I remember sitting

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00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: in my bed seeing UM Food Network Star season eleven,

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00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I see a lot of

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Speaker 1: people from like Cutthroaw Kitchen and God's Grocer Games. Why

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00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: didn't they call me? Was like, it's okay, I'm gonna

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: call me, and I'm not gonna feel like that long application.

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00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: They're just gonna call me and they're just gonna put

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Speaker 1: me on the show. With two weeks later, Food Network Start,

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Speaker 1: Cuto Kitchen be Bobby's Play. I'll call me at the

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Speaker 1: same time to be on the show. So of course

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Speaker 1: I chose Food Network Start because that's a job UM.

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Speaker 1: And then I remember because this was like, let's Stu

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Speaker 1: explain what you just said. You said, Okay, you had

1130
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: a Bobby Flake called you, right, and then you and

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00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: then that what was those show that called you because

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00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: the kitchen called me to come back to do like

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00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: a reunion show, and then um Food Network Star called

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: me all in the same time the same day. What

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00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: was the difference and what made that decision to go

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Speaker 1: with the Food Network Star? How could you get a

1137
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: job like Food Network Star? You become a Food Network Star?

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Speaker 1: Like what do I want to do? Go play a

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00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: competition for a few seconds, or get a job and

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Speaker 1: become the next Food Network start. I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with Food Network Star. And you know at the time,

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01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a lot of money. So

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01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: I remember buying this dress and my bills was doing

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01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: everything chat but I was like, listen if the dress

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01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: was like five hundreds. But I was like, listen, this

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Speaker 1: is dress. I'm aware when I win, So I need

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: to get this dress. So I remember getting the dress,

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01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: calling the lady and saying, look this address. Put this

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01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: in wardrobe because we have to sit in our wardrobe.

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01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: And I said this dress, I'm aware when I win,

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: and she laughed at me. But that is the dress

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01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: that I wore when I want Now. It was a

1153
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: challenge because there are not a lot of people like

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01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: me on Food Network. I'm very different, I'm very loud,

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01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm very fun um, and I just like to have

1156
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: a good time, you know, as well as cooking as well.

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01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: So you know, I talked a little different. I got

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01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: a country twang. I'm from Philly, but Atlanta is all

1159
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: up inside of me. So um, you know, I knew

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01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: that it would be a challenge and I knew that

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01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: it would be different. It was so funny because the

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: first episode set the tone for the whole season for

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01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: me to really just shut it down, like I just

1164
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: locked in because I came into it almost like changing myself.

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: Like I came on and they were like, well, we

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: want you to do a cold open. So I did

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Speaker 1: the cold up in my way, tree Gay Way originally, right, Hey,

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01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm tree Gay. It's gonna be killed. Yes, this is

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01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: this is this, And I remember Gianna saying, well, I

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Speaker 1: like you, but um, I don't know, I've never met

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Speaker 1: anyone like you before. Um you seemed like a caricature,

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: That's what she said. So for me, I was like,

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01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: I took that as like not taking me serious. So

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01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: I changed. So when we got to redo it, I

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01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: was like, Hi, I'm chef tree Gay. You know, and

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01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: I was real like mainstream, but we had to watch

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Speaker 1: the episode in the movie theater that was the challenge.

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01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Florence was the judge, the guest judge, Bobby Flay

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01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: and Jia and so we're in this big screen. So

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01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: I was able to see myself outside of myself on

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01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: this big screen with all these people are here, and

1182
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: I was able to see that that is not the move.

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: Like I was completely different. I didn't even know who

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01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: I was. I cried, and I remember Giada saying, well,

1185
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: who was that? Like? You completely changed? Like I was like, well,

1186
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, you said I look like a caricature. And

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01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to take this serious because this is a job.

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01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: You know. I need this for my children, myself, you know,

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01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: so for me, you know, I want to be taken serious.

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01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, I didn't say I didn't

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: like it. I just said I've never seen anything like it.

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01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: She was like, and you just showed us today that

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01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: you can't even pretend to be someone else besides yourself,

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01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: and we love who you are, so just stay yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's all I needed. That was the green light. I

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Speaker 1: was gone. I started winning competition. At the competition and

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01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: then I took home the prize. That's all I needed

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01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: to hear was that it was okay to be myself.

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Speaker 1: That's important to say. That's why I want you to

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Speaker 1: share that story because of the fact that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people always typically you know, when you fall down,

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: only you can get yourself up. If you can pretend

1203
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: to be somebody else when you fall down, you're gonna

1204
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: stay down. And so you should never be who you

1205
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: think for taking advice. If somebody tells you I want

1206
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: you to be this person, if it's not you, it's

1207
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: not your natural way of life, then when you fall

1208
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: a worth that person to get you back up. And

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: so that was a good point to tell everybody when

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01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: I talking about when people are worried about leaving jobs

1211
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: or people worried about career changes, they're worried about what

1212
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: other people may think. What do you think? What do

1213
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: you feel? Do you feel you're gonna be successful at this?

1214
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: And that's all you're saying right there, ri Sean, I

1215
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: love somebody to question who I was for the first

1216
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: time in my life. And then she looked at me

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01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: and went, I just said change. I just had no

1218
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: opinion about who I thought you were, and I realized

1219
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: now that that's the only person you can be, so

1220
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Speaker 1: go back and bid. And that changed your life. Yes, yes,

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: it really did. Um, I mean it really just gave

1222
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: me confidence. Like I'm already a pretty confident person, I

1223
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: would like to say, but I think my confidence was

1224
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: a little down at that time because you know, I'm

1225
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: in a room full of people who, you know, experienced

1226
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: things that I haven't experienced. They they speak a different

1227
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: way than I do. You know, they move a different way,

1228
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: They're from a different place than I am, you know,

1229
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: but they're also older. You start thinking like, I'm limited myself,

1230
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, it doesn't really matter

1231
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: where I'm from. It doesn't matter how I talk, it

1232
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how I look. As long as I come

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01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: and bring my a game and I do the best

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01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: that I can do, and I come up and show

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01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: up and show out. It really don't matter what these

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01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: people have done and where they come from. And I

1237
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: had to take a step back in and really, you know,

1238
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: tap myself on the end, like, no, girl, like you

1239
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: have to admit that you were dealing with an age

1240
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: different as well. You wanted the younger chef that have

1241
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: gotten into those type of competitions. Okay, and let's say

1242
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: a little hip hop in your life. Okay, you know,

1243
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, a little Dirty South in your life, and

1244
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: so the little flavor in your life, and so that

1245
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: is good for your brand. So when you when you

1246
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: want what were the immedia changes that you felt in

1247
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: your career when you want food Network start, um my

1248
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: immediate changes where you know, I started to become a

1249
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: part of like this different crowd. You know, all of

1250
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: the people that I would look at on TV as

1251
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: a kid, like they're my coworkers. Um, Like we're getting

1252
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: paid the same amount, one of the same things, like

1253
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: one shows like they are so so real. Um. Once

1254
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: I got past like the starstruck moment and just realized,

1255
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: like we're all on the same playing field. Um, I

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01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: just kept going with whatever they were bringing to me. However,

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01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: I did learn that, um there may have been like

1258
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: a niche or y'all'll read that I should be in

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like what it didn't go?

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Speaker 1: You know what I tell people all the time, Sometimes

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Speaker 1: when you get on TV, you just have these expectations,

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Speaker 1: um to just skyrocket like you're the next star. Now,

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Speaker 1: like you know you're gonna get it in me. But

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Speaker 1: I had to learn very quickly that that's not how

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Speaker 1: it goes. This is a business, um business, and when

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Speaker 1: you're up, you up, and when you're down, you down.

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Speaker 1: But when you're down, you know, what I learned was

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Speaker 1: to look at it as you know, this thing that

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01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: we call TV is really to market and promote me

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Speaker 1: and my business. So I got smart and I decided

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Speaker 1: because you know it's it wasn't it's addictive, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be on a TV show and to be doing

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: these large commercials. I mean I've done Johnsonville commercials, national brands, laughing,

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Speaker 1: cow cheese. I mean they were with me, a part

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Speaker 1: of all these big things. So who become became addictive?

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Speaker 1: You know? That's all I wanted to do. I kind

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: of forgot about everything else that I did, and I

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01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: remember I was super sad because you know, again I'm different.

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Speaker 1: So they had to find a place to put me.

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Speaker 1: Um and listen, when I want Food Network, Starry, it

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01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: wasn't our Roses and Peaches. You know, was kind of

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01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: like what who you know? Um? So I had to

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Speaker 1: kind of get past that. But then I remember talking

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Speaker 1: to Duff and Duff is a I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know Duff, but he's a cake guy on food

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Speaker 1: Network Super Big. And I remember saying, man, what do

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Speaker 1: you do when you get in these positions? Because at

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: the time, like there wasn't a lot of TV coming in. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was not even focusing on my business. I was

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Speaker 1: more so like, why am I not getting more stuffy?

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: You know? It was like a fast ride than one day.

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Speaker 1: It was just like skirt, it slowed all the way down.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know what I did when that

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Speaker 1: happened to meetri Gae. I said what he said, I

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Speaker 1: just started doing what I did to get me them

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Speaker 1: the first place. Just started making cakes. So I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, You're right. I went and I started

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Speaker 1: back doing my catering, started back doing my meal prep.

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Speaker 1: I started the line of products, my chef knife, my

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Speaker 1: season ends, my plant face butter. I just really put

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Speaker 1: everything that I was putting into television into myself. I

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: got my own production company and I started doing like

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Speaker 1: YouTube and stuff. Um I started doing this thing culture

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01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: Gate Eats Atlanta, and I would use I basically utilized

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: my resources. You know, I didn't I got I gained

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01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: so much from becoming a food network start because I

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: gained relationships, which are more important than even being on TV. Right,

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01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, well, shoot, let me call

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01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: some of these producers. Let me call this, let me

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Speaker 1: call it a little the show I'm thinking about doing.

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Speaker 1: Let me call these restaurants. I've done twenty five episodes,

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Speaker 1: the best thing I ever ate, so I know they're

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: gonna let me come and review that restaurant. This good

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,919
Speaker 1: show for me. So I started doing that on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I just kept going and then one day I start

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Speaker 1: getting callbacks. They started wanting me back on TV. I

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Speaker 1: guess they were watching. They were waiting. You weren't waiting, chef.

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Speaker 1: You weren't waiting. That was the key. You weren't waiting

1319
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: for them, and so the time that you were waiting

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: that was really making your answer you. Now we're filling

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: up with quality time. You work, building your resume at

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01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: your bio, and I tell people all that time. So

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: so now you're on own network. Okay, you gotta show

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: on the Oprah winfree network named after you. Okay, named

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01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: after you, But again, that still doesn't mean you should

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01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: sit around and wait for the next opportunity to make

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01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: your next opportunity. So the show comes on Saturday. It's

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Speaker 1: well third every Saturday on the own network, Tree Gauge Way.

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Speaker 1: I know what that show is about. What are you

1330
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: doing to build momentum beyond that show? As that show

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01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: is airing? Um, you know right now, since we're aeron

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Speaker 1: Win the first season, I'm just kind of getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of feedback. I'm I'm I'm educating myself more and

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Speaker 1: more recipes and more ideas and like what do people

1335
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: want to know? I'm so proud of Tree Gays Way,

1336
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: like because it ain't been my way for so long,

1337
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And they have a show

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01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: named Sure Gays Made, and then it's like now I

1339
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: maybe to like really see knowledge into people because I'm

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: really big into education, like educating people. UM. So I'm

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: just kind of taking what I have now the shows

1342
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: are airring, and I'm just pushing what I have. I'm

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: pushing my products, I'm pushing more glasses, I'm doing stuff

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Speaker 1: with um my junior chefs. I'm trying to create more

1345
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: things and more ideas around that. UM And the meantime

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Speaker 1: in between times, I'm working on my book because I

1347
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: definitely have a story to tell So I'm in the

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Speaker 1: process of working on that UM and then I'm also

1349
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Speaker 1: getting ready to open a a prep kitchen because and

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Speaker 1: in the front of it will be a UM a

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: specialty store because I have so many products and you know,

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Speaker 1: especially right now with pandemic going on, one of the

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01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: things I realized in the beginning of the pandemic was

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: that there are so many chefs that need a place

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: to cook. They are like, they just need a kitchen

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Speaker 1: in these places they've charged so much. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: provide a safe haven for chefs to come and rent

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Speaker 1: out my kitchen space and also sell their products in

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Speaker 1: my specialty store so we could just keep building on

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Speaker 1: what we already have, which will also be a great

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Speaker 1: hub for the catering company. And I've been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of catering lately. I've been doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: cooking classes lately, working on some seminars. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: building off the things that I already have and just

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Speaker 1: making them better. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel

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Speaker 1: and trying to do something different in the midst like,

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Speaker 1: because this is the moment where I need to capitalize

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Speaker 1: off of all the things that I've been doing and better.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I love it. I love the fact

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Speaker 1: that you are an entrepreneur because first of all, you

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Speaker 1: you you went in you want Food Network start a blessing,

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Speaker 1: but then you got caught up expecting their phone, waiting

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01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: on their phone to ring. But then advice came your way.

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Speaker 1: Do the things that got you there. Yes, And that's

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01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: what I tell people all the time. You know, you

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01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: know a lot of people that are signed with big

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01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: agents in l A. And I'm with William Rs. And

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: then just stopped. We know that call to put you

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Speaker 1: in a movie, that call to put you in the sitcom?

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: But why didn't william Are sign you? Like I said,

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01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: why did the Food network start sign you? Because you

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01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: were busy? Like you said, you were on the cooking

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01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: kitchen and you went, I should be on that because

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: I've done the grocery games. I've seen these people with

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01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: guess what, they were being busy too. That's where they

1386
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: got picked. The blessing in this whole conversation is you

1387
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: got picked, but you on. And now from a business standpoint,

1388
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: you understanding what you have to do, keep the wheels

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01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: moving in a pro direction that you control and that's wonderful.

1390
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: What advice we should get people with hear and all this,

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: all the things you've come through. You have a popular show,

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: like I said, it's on own network airs every Saturday

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: or twel thirty Culture gage Way named after you. Chef,

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Speaker 1: your gay Fraser Frasier, not on the show. It's your gay,

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01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: that's her name. She's out of Philly now, she lives

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: in the lab. Got the great personality, got this great smile,

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01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: got to have big hair. Doesn't look like the classic

1398
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: chef that you will see o TV. But you But

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Speaker 1: but food is the number one viewed in social media,

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: is the number one viewed on YouTube. And I've just

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01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: been waiting for the black stars like you just start

1402
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: percolating to the top because black people love food and

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm tired of our food being just so fooled. You

1404
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We are a very diverse eating

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01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: community and that's what you're showing today to gage Way.

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01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: Tell us about your show, Oh man, your gaze Way.

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: It's so amazing. I literally just take food and recipes

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Speaker 1: that I do with my family and my friends, and

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01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: then I'm giving it to the people at home. You know. Um,

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Speaker 1: We're in the fifth episode. Now, I literally everybody who

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Speaker 1: you see on my show, it's not a game. They're

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Speaker 1: really my children, they are really my family, they are

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01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: really my friends. Um. The beautiful thing about this show

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Speaker 1: is like when Oprah gave me the opportunity, she was

1415
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: literally like, do whatever you want. And to have that

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01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: opportunity is like so amazing. So I said, if I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do that, I'm gonna do that to the fullest.

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Speaker 1: So one of my episodes are like brunch with my boys.

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: So my you know, I do list to my son.

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Speaker 1: He loves hot cheetos. So I did it like before here, No,

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Speaker 1: so I did. I'm sorry, y'all. So I did a

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Speaker 1: hot cheetah crusted chicken with cheddar chid waffles, and you

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: know another one how crusted chicken with cheddar chid waffles

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01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: and roasted red pepper sarah. Um. Then I did one

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01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: with my best friend and you know, he was one

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: of the biggest um Waste training line, like he does

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Speaker 1: the male waste trainers and he's a super big at

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01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: the gay community. And it was beautiful to be able

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01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: to bring him on the show. One to show how

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Speaker 1: versatile I am to where I also do healthy food too,

1431
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: because I could do classes for cancer patients here in

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta area and so that was good. And then

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Speaker 1: to also be able to talk about my friend. You know,

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01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: he came out to me, and you know, I wanted

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01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: him to be the best that he could be. And

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Speaker 1: so I felt that that would touch so many other

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01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: people who are going through that point in their life

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01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: and and seeing that you know, once you just be yourself.

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01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm always about being yourself. And that was also when

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01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: the stenching of be yourself from the moment, from the

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01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: food that we're starting to even that you know from

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Speaker 1: and that I encouraged that from other people. Another one

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01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: with friends Giving, where we did jerk turkey wings and

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 1: naked apple pie and I go to the apple orchard

1445
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: with my best friend and we have so much fun.

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01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: And my son's birthday party. So it's like, these are

1447
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: all little things that you probably recognize in your own life.

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01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, everybody has friends, friends give it, everybody has

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: a little brunch. You know, everybody wants to get snatched.

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01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I name the show snatched because

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01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: one thing, um the episode was snatched because one thing

1452
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: I noticed is that you know, our lingo. A lot

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01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,759
Speaker 1: of people. Once you get in this industry, you realize

1454
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,480
Speaker 1: they don't even understand what we're talking about. Now, that's

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01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: tin So I created a show around that because I'm

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: not just doing it for me. I'm doing it for

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01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: the culture. You know, I wanted to I want to

1458
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: shine and I want to be relatable and let other

1459
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: chefs like me know that you could do this too.

1460
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,480
Speaker 1: You know you could. You could have a little slanging.

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: You know you have hell. You know you can do

1462
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: your thing and still be successful. You don't have to

1463
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: be somebody else. You just have to own who you are.

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01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: Your friends, I love you, I love you, I love

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: your brand, I love your personality that I love your openness.

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01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: I love the fact that if you fall, you're gonna

1467
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: get up because you know why you're doing this in life.

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Speaker 1: You're not doing it because somebody told you to do it.

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Speaker 1: And that's like you said that first episode. Food Network

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Speaker 1: really allowed you to say, I could be myself and

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Speaker 1: I can win. And you're winning being yourself And I

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Speaker 1: gotta eat that. That that with a hot cheeto girl,

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Speaker 1: And I think you made like I did, a braise

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Speaker 1: curry chicken with like a lemon rug killed and coalman

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Speaker 1: and keimwa and um a butternut squashing there and then

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Speaker 1: we did a man Go Dragon food smoothie. Like it's

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Speaker 1: so versatile. We do so many things. One of the episodes,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do some colar greens and smother

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: pork chops, like we do everything on that show. Because

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: I want to touch everybody. So I'm based. I'm based

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01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. That my office has a full kitchen in

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01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: it because I love to cook another bag but my staff,

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01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: and like I'm making them red beans and rice this week,

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01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: with corn bread this week. You know they're gonna have that.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm making a like you I twitched up, and

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01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna I'm gonna make a taco salad problem

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01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: for them on Friday, you know, and individual dishes, gonna

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: try to beat COVID safe and everything. But and so

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01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: so I want I want you to come by my place.

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01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, we sat down and video tape ourselves having

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Speaker 1: fun making something together and things like that. I I

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: gotta made them a spice cake. The other day, we

1493
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: did a barbecue spread for lunch and my because I

1494
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: wanted a place where I can enjoy my life. You

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Speaker 1: know where if I if I got to work early,

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Speaker 1: because you know what happened when I used to work

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Speaker 1: when I didn't own my building, was I make it

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Speaker 1: at home and then I bring it to work. So

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Speaker 1: now they're coming I work. They started, they they're coming there.

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Speaker 1: And the other day they came in. I was in

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Speaker 1: the middle of making raising pudding. Okay when the Carl mail,

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Speaker 1: I said the meeting was at eight this are you

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Speaker 1: gonna be ready? That's at the word put it in

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Speaker 1: the oven. Forty five minutes later me was open, pulled

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Speaker 1: it out of the oven, let the cool for about

1506
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: ten minutes, having them some some some vanilla bean ice cream,

1507
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: and we was having a good time. So that's my

1508
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: life and just hearing you you enjoying your life, and

1509
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't want you to stop enjoying your life. But

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01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to extend the invitation that I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to promote your brand. I want to be

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Speaker 1: able to tell everybody how great you are, uh just

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01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: living your life, but more important you being you though. Yeah, yeah,

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01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: for sure. Well I got the invite, So you can't

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01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: take it back, No, no, no, no, you I can't

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01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: take back no, no, Now I've learned that in this call.

1517
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: I know you. You put some on social media about me.

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01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: You have every shot I'll be I'll be on Instagram story.

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01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna come over here. And

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Speaker 1: you didn't say chef the kitchen. Absolutely shift come to

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Speaker 1: come to ket you you know. It's a big, roomy kitchen,

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Speaker 1: you know. And uh and just let you to talk

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01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: about your career and stuff like that. And it's about

1524
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: relationships and I'm big on relationship. Anything I can help

1525
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Speaker 1: you do or point you in the right direction. I've

1526
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Speaker 1: been blessed to be able to work with a lot

1527
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Speaker 1: of famous people. I've been blessed to be able to

1528
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Speaker 1: build a lot of big careers, whether this corporate or individual.

1529
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Speaker 1: So when I see somebody like you, who who is

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Speaker 1: a unique talent. You are a unique talent, and you're

1531
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: still very young. That means that your future is gonna

1532
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Speaker 1: be bright. But more importantly, you are a hard worker,

1533
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Speaker 1: and that's what I love about you. You do not

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Speaker 1: run from the dirty kitchen, especially if you're the one

1535
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 1: that made it dirty. You're gonna clean that you. I'm

1536
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Speaker 1: just coming from an event taking out the ear rings,

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Speaker 1: lipstick on and everything, and I'm getting in there with

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Speaker 1: my team. My team no I don't like, is gonna

1539
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Speaker 1: figure out another way. And I tell people all the time,

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Speaker 1: if I can leave you with anything, it's just never

1541
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Speaker 1: give up. And don't spend so much time worrying about

1542
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Speaker 1: the bad. Takes away from time figuring out the process

1543
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Speaker 1: to get to the good. You know, it's a journey,

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Speaker 1: and you know we just gotta keep going through it,

1545
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Speaker 1: and it ain't always gonna be great. But when it's good,

1546
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Speaker 1: it's good, you know. So I just spend less time

1547
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: focusing on negative more time focusing on positive. I do

1548
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: appreciate the negative. Actually I embrace it um because without it,

1549
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: who could learn? How would I know if it's wrong,

1550
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: if it's never happened to me? Kick all the doors, look,

1551
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Speaker 1: look close all the doors in my face. I'm gonna

1552
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Speaker 1: kick one down in there and push it back over

1553
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: When she used to start your Gage Way. It airs

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1555
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1556
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: she has an open invitation to come by my bill

1557
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: then my office and we're gonna cook in the kitchen.

1558
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna flip on YouTube or Facebook live and have

1559
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,120
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Speaker 1: so how country used to tell? I'm country? And don't

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Speaker 1: see you again soon and again for gays way every

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Speaker 1: almost on time. This morning, Mom is coming off the

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Speaker 1: Dad has the bags. Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh,

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Speaker 1: but the diaper bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere.

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Speaker 1: for the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who looks

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Speaker 1: back to money making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald.

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Speaker 1: My next Jeff is chef who do chef who does

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Speaker 1: a Telly Award winning television host, Acclaim Award winning chef

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Speaker 1: and Food Network, Food Network and Records setting champion, an

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Speaker 1: American Heart Association and ambassador chef who there doing the

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Speaker 1: covid N team, which we all. She launched the Kitchen

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Speaker 1: Quarantine Party live right the Kitchen Quarantee Without with series

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Speaker 1: on I G to help bring joy people in this

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Speaker 1: uncertain time. Her i G Live Food Party was packed

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Speaker 1: with loads of fun cocktails, great music, delicious food and

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Speaker 1: v I P guests now who were not invited. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm not v I p N for her little food parties.

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01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna put the three put the word. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm throwing some haide on her. She has a savory

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Speaker 1: spiceline that we wanted to discuss called just Savor by

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Speaker 1: Chef Hooda. Please working the money making conversation. She's a

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Speaker 1: good friend of mine because she's gonna be back on

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Speaker 1: the show. We're gonna be kitchen Kitchen. We're gonna be

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01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 1: cooking kitchen the kitchen in a minute. Please welcome Chef Hooda.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? My friends? Hi? How are you?

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01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: You know? I'm throwing a little hating you. You know,

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Speaker 1: a little baker got a little salt in there your

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Speaker 1: shot on that he didn't get it. He all hate

1647
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Speaker 1: because he didn't get invited to the v I P

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Speaker 1: I G part. We'll tell us about the I G part.

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Speaker 1: Is that you that you've been throwing? And why have

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Speaker 1: they been so successful? You know what, by the grace

1651
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Speaker 1: of God, everything that I accomplished gets done um so

1652
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Speaker 1: for because of what's happening in the world. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting time. Let's put that um and

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Speaker 1: I think it's also made a lot of people grateful,

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01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: made a lot of people stop. And it's been great

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01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: because we started the kitchen quarantine parties. Because we're sitting

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01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: at home, you know, film look down like everybody else

1658
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: was like what can we do? I was like, I can.

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Speaker 1: I can show people how to feed themselves. Um, and

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Speaker 1: I can puse our dads depending on who you ask.

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Speaker 1: If not, I can act silly and be completely comfortable

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Speaker 1: with that. So it really just started with us wanting

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Speaker 1: to be bringing a little joy and be able to

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Speaker 1: connect with people. And since people were in their kitchens cooking,

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Speaker 1: some of them have never cooked before, some of them

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Speaker 1: oatmeal is their dish of the month. We just wanted

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Speaker 1: to give people some options. So it was really great

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Speaker 1: and it was a wonderful response. We had everyone from

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Speaker 1: Drain the Rock, Johnson uh retweet us or repost us,

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Speaker 1: and it's just been really exciting and we've gotten the

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Speaker 1: partner with some major brands and some nonprofits like Red

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Speaker 1: Nose Day. So it's just been fun. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just here to have fun and just you know, bring

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Speaker 1: joy in a delicious way with the kitchen. I can

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Speaker 1: bake now, would I can bake? Not? I heard I

1676
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: got in the pirate cake. Let's talk about that. You

1677
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: don't don't have, don't wait, don't do jef holding Dwayne Johnson,

1678
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: ain't reposting me now, Okay, Dwayne Jeled the Rock. They

1679
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: don't tell everybody just because they confused because she kind

1680
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: of said that up. You know, I got reposted by

1681
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Dayne's like she should be putting that in her credit.

1682
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: She's been reposted. My necklace has been reposted by Dwayne

1683
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: the Rock Johnson. Okay, she is they telling what where?

1684
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: That should be part of the credits, right that. You know,

1685
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: what makes a good cook in the kitchen? I'm talking

1686
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: about in the kitchen and what makes a bad cook

1687
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: in the kitchen? Jeff, Oh, that you know. I like

1688
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: to say that everyone can cook. It depends on how much,

1689
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: just like anything in life, depends on how much time

1690
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: you dedicate to it and also your attitude going in

1691
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: so a lot of people. I do a lot of

1692
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: touring where I used to before COVID, they do a

1693
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: lot of different cooking demonstrations um for a bunch of

1694
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: different people. And the one thing I always got from

1695
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 1: people was, Oh, it's overwhelming, or I don't have time,

1696
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: or I can't find ingredients, or I can't do this

1697
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: X y Z is a long list. I always tell

1698
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: people cooking is about expressing love and joy. That's why

1699
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: you cook. You cook because you want to express love

1700
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: and joy. If you go into it with that. Either,

1701
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: even if you know that you can't boil while to

1702
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: save your life, that Bolletari you're gonna make is gonna

1703
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: have a different feel on it. So so I don't

1704
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: think there's bad cooks. I think there's people who just

1705
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: need to find their niche. And also I think that

1706
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 1: there are people who are just really gifted and it

1707
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: comes back to share the gift. Either way, they can't cook,

1708
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: you listen, some people are destined to make really great salads.

1709
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: That's just gonna be there. I don't know if they

1710
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: can do the salary. I really, it's it's a you know,

1711
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's some mad people out there

1712
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: probably strangling you right now and go, hey, you have

1713
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: not met my husband, met my h you have not

1714
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 1: met my wife. Cannot cook And so so because you

1715
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: know when you're going the kitchen, you know, because the

1716
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: worst person you can learn for my guests could be

1717
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: your your your mom. You know, you know when they

1718
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: just they just grab stuff, just grab a salt shaker,

1719
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: grabs some pepper, you know, just start putting. Oh my god,

1720
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: these people make me sick. You know, because you can't.

1721
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: How is that? I don't know, Get out of my face?

1722
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: Can you making You're making me nervous, baby, You're making

1723
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: them in nervous. Baby. So what did you learn? Who

1724
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: taught you? Your your your skill set in the kitchen.

1725
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: So we have some amazing cooks in my family, UM

1726
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 1: My nana, my aunt Peggy used to cook, my uncle Darnell,

1727
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: who they all have passed. Um, So I was very

1728
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: blessed in that sense. My mom she has I like

1729
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 1: to say that she has her signature dishes like no

1730
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: one can. No one can compete with her muffins or

1731
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: her crapes or her roasted chicken. Like she She's not

1732
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna go outside of the box a lot, but when

1733
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: she when she shows up, she shows out. So I

1734
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: like to think that I got a little touch from

1735
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: all of my um, all my relatives, and also just

1736
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: being around different cultures and being around different friends and

1737
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: in their families. What eatin We'll imagine this Because I'm

1738
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, I'm a short cook, cook, cook,

1739
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: cut baker too. Like you know, say a creamal mushroom

1740
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: soup is always in my cabinet, you know, because I

1741
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: can take me some drumsticks. You know, season the bad

1742
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: bars up, you know, put a little milk mixed that

1743
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: that creamal marshroom poured over there, Put me some cheese

1744
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: on top. Slide that bad bar in the oven by

1745
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: fifty five minutes, come back out. You're looking good? Now?

1746
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: What makes me mad? Because I'm on social media and

1747
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 1: then I sometimes you know, I'm gonna tell you something.

1748
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I use can peaches for my peach cobbler. I used

1749
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: things like that new people. I never eat that. You know,

1750
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: you don't understand that's not real peach cobbler or that's

1751
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 1: not you're using can Okay, excuse me? Stop? Where do

1752
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: you fall chef holder hood? When? When? When? When it

1753
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: comes to people like me who just want to get

1754
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: the job done, No one just can taste good and

1755
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: make you win. So my philosophy on food has always

1756
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: been you gotta do it works for you. Right If

1757
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I said these unrealistic expectations, I want you to make

1758
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 1: eye crust hid dough, I want you to I want

1759
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: you to make your sour dough bread from scratch, then

1760
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: make the creutons. Come on, listen, we're all busy. We

1761
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: all have different things going on. Family, We have jobs,

1762
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: we have just things. So you can find a shortcut

1763
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: that is healthy. Um, shortcut that is healthy, I say,

1764
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: right healthy. If you can find one that works for you.

1765
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: It's okay to get things out of the freezer section,

1766
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: it's okay to they get things out of the can section.

1767
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Just make sure you're reading what you get, uh, that

1768
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: you use for your pantry shortcuts, as I like to

1769
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: call it. So if you're getting canned goods, make sure

1770
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 1: there's not third or seven things in a can of

1771
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: peaches because water, salt, maybe some sugar, that's it. Um.

1772
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: So make sure that you're just reading and informing yourself

1773
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: on those greetings. But I think it's absolutely fine, um,

1774
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: because I think we're very far from the days where

1775
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: it's like everything has to be from scratch. It has

1776
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: to me, we're just not time for that. We're in

1777
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: the Instagram world. Listen, when I need things, I need things,

1778
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: I just want to know who I was talking to,

1779
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not trying to insult to anybody.

1780
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm just telling Ruth Sean I get you know. I

1781
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: put my pictures on there, they go viral, you know,

1782
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: and then to tell people how I made it and

1783
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: then they get mad at me. You know, there's always

1784
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: some person with comments. You know, I have to hide

1785
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: the comments on Facebook. You can hide them. They don't

1786
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: know you hide their their ugliness. You know, they still

1787
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: look like they see it, but on my my timeline,

1788
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: you can't see it no more right now. So so

1789
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: so my whole thing is that when when when you

1790
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 1: come to what you're doing with your career now food Network,

1791
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: tell us about your experience of Food Network and how

1792
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: did it help your brand? Oh, it helped the brand tremendously. Um,

1793
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: I think all of the milestone things that have happened

1794
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: my career have helped me to whatever the next level

1795
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: is I'm supposed to be on. So I'm very grateful

1796
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: for those experiences food Network. I it was a huge

1797
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: fan of Cut Through Kitchen, and one day I got

1798
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: a call. Uh and there you've been on these calls

1799
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: before where they're kind of selling you on an ideal.

1800
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: You're already doing cart wheels about cool on the phone.

1801
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: All right, right, right, right, right, right right right. That

1802
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: sounds very interesting. Back when I went on Cut Throw

1803
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: Kitchen and I had a very simple strategy, just do

1804
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: my best and beat everyone. Be quiet, from my head

1805
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: down and do the work. And I kind of put

1806
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 1: that that mantra, if you will towards everything I do

1807
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: in life. So going on Food Network and setting a

1808
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: record listen, I'm a little competitive, but setting a record

1809
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: for the highest winner on the history of the show.

1810
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: I think they were in season seven when I went on. Um,

1811
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: it was more than I did. I did say that,

1812
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: but I didn't say Dwayne Johnson, whose network record setting

1813
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: champion Cutthroat Kitchen. I just left that Cutthroat Kitchen listen.

1814
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: But it was a great experience. Um, it's you know

1815
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: the show very much. For those who aren't familiar with it,

1816
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: it was they sent you sabotages, so they started off

1817
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: with a certain amount of money. You got to be

1818
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: on sabotage. You have to make certain dishes and you

1819
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: do it within a time restrain. And of course they

1820
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: threw curveballs at you. So my ma, I always like

1821
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: to say, the show is kind of like life. You

1822
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 1: come in with a plan, you gotta make it work.

1823
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: You gotta make it work. Um, I think I'm one

1824
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: challenge is supposed to make corn bread and chili. I

1825
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: ended up making m corn No. I was supposed to

1826
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 1: make corn bread and chili, and I ended up making

1827
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: grips because I forgot all the stuff for the corn

1828
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 1: bread while I was running around grabbing ingredients. But my

1829
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: story I got. No, No, you cannot panther because I'm

1830
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: a great lover and I'm a corn bread lover, so

1831
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: you would, right, So you went like from corn bread

1832
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: to grit. Now, please expline that to me. Please explain

1833
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: that to listen. I I realized I got because you're

1834
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: running around and everyone's like, oh, it looks so easy

1835
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: on on TV. It's easy to You're in there and

1836
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: you run and trying to remember everything about all the

1837
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: things you forget when you go to the grocery store

1838
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: in your regular life. Now you're under pressure, right right right,

1839
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Let me ask you

1840
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: this right quickly, stiff Now when you say okay, this too.

1841
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: Question I always wanted to ask, Okay, do you do

1842
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: they okay? They they bring you for they said, look,

1843
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: we want you to make you know these combinations of things.

1844
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 1: Do they prep you? Or is on the spot? Is

1845
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: he really on the spot on the I can't do

1846
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 1: that show TV? Shif I can't do the show, I'm

1847
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 1: not that skilled. I gotta have a day ahead of time.

1848
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm about to cook. You're telling me

1849
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 1: for real on TV? There's no no listen, you go

1850
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: from a green room to a set and then the vextine.

1851
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 1: You know it's happening. Okay, So so you you got

1852
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 1: to move out the way one of them. So, first

1853
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 1: of all, I know because they called me a couple

1854
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: of times and now that I'd rather be a judge.

1855
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: I'd rather be a judge. Now I understand I have

1856
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't have the skill set to be a contestant

1857
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: because if you brought me in that Rashaw mcdowal, we

1858
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: want you to make some corn bread and chilly. I go, okay,

1859
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,759
Speaker 1: why y'all didn't tell me yesterday so I could prepare

1860
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,560
Speaker 1: for this. No, it doesn't work that. No, no, no,

1861
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: your boy gotta have noticed. If you want to get

1862
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: the skills out of me, Cheff, I gotta have notice.

1863
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm so. I'm glad you told me now, so when

1864
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: they called me in the future, if I'm blessed to

1865
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: get another phone call, okay, I'm saying, I'm sorry, that's

1866
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: beyond my pay grade. Faith you I got faith? No, no, no, no, no, don't.

1867
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to. You don't have to pump me up.

1868
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, if they called me, I

1869
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: gotta pass because you finally told me the truth. Rashaw

1870
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: all Oaks Society, cupcake Wars, all the cakes, all the

1871
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: cutthroat kitchen, all that the barbecue contest. Those people do

1872
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: not know what is going to go down until they

1873
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 1: tell them on the spot. I was you know this

1874
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: one happens. You know, they go okay while you still

1875
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: standing the rashon. Uh, like I'm getting my list together. No, no, ship,

1876
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm getting my lie together because because I'm trying to

1877
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 1: tell y'all, I gotta, I gotta my brain got a

1878
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: blood clot or something, because the part of the brain

1879
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be cooking is plotted up. So so

1880
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 1: I tell me, you're just skilled. So when you say

1881
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: you set a record and then but that's amazing for

1882
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: the highest scores. Yes, So what happens is you're supposed

1883
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: to spend money on sabotages. And at some point I

1884
01:37:58,400 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 1: was the only girl on the show. There were three

1885
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: the guys that's competing against, and at some point I

1886
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 1: just realized, like you know, you know when you get money,

1887
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: but you didn't have to necessarily earn earn, Like, wait

1888
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: a minute, it was like someone just handed me twenty five.

1889
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: Do I really want to blow ten right this second?

1890
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: I just got it. Let me visit with it for

1891
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 1: a second, let me let me count it. So at

1892
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: some point I had to just bet on myself and

1893
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: just you know, um, say a prayer and just go

1894
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: with it. Make it do what it cool? Now I

1895
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: gotta ask this one course because I already know right

1896
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: now you have the skill. Said you talked, We talked

1897
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: about your parents. You came from a family of great cooks.

1898
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Did you go to culinary school? Did did you with

1899
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 1: your or your trained? Okay, tell us about that because

1900
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: I can't. You can't, like you just learned from your mom,

1901
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: Like then you own the cutthroat kitchen. Something somebody told

1902
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: you some skills somewhere along, Like tell you right now,

1903
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 1: nobody taught me nothing. And guess what, nothing is locked

1904
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: in this brain. If I don't have a cook book

1905
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 1: in front of me, show, it's gonna be a problem.

1906
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,879
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a problem. Listen, you'll be okay, Okay.

1907
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: The interesting part is I never started off wanting to

1908
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 1: be a show tell that part of the story. UM,

1909
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I was going to be a lawyer. Um. And then

1910
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 1: somewhere around high school I was between lawyer and psychiatry.

1911
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 1: So I went to school at University of Maryland undergrad

1912
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: for behavioral science sociology, study of groups of people. I

1913
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: love people. That's my sociology, that's my minor. Hey see,

1914
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: I knew I liked you, okay. But at some point,

1915
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: you know, life takes turns and changes. And I had

1916
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 1: had every job from I worked for a promotion team,

1917
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: I worked in PR, worked in event management, I worked

1918
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 1: retail UM, I worked in the food industry before, so

1919
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: I had all of I was in hospitality management before

1920
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:59,719
Speaker 1: I went to culinary school, and I was like, okay,

1921
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: I was running hotels and work for Barryot and be

1922
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: a GM like that was a new goal. And then

1923
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 1: at some point I decided that I wanted to the

1924
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: culinary school because this food was the one thing no

1925
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 1: matter what was going on in my life, I always

1926
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: came back to always like cooking for people. It always

1927
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: called me when I had a stressful day, and no

1928
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: matter what I was doing, it always brought me joy.

1929
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: So I wanted to share that joy, but I also

1930
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: wanted to do it in the best way possible, in

1931
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: a knowledgeable way. So I went to the quarter on

1932
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 1: blue um and graduate top temper in my class, a

1933
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: little competitive mot um, and you know, just really took

1934
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: that education and learned so many things that I didn't

1935
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 1: think that I needed to know because I was like,

1936
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like most people. I was like, I

1937
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: can cook. I got some pasta and make good. And

1938
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: then you get to colinary school and you realize there's

1939
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,719
Speaker 1: so many different things. Like anything. When you go to school,

1940
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,919
Speaker 1: you learned that that next level of education or information

1941
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 1: you didn't even know you wanted, but now of it.

1942
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: So now it's just one more thing in your tool

1943
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 1: belt for life. So I I highly recommend calling every school.

1944
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 1: But if you learn from your grandma, you learned from

1945
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: the restaurant that you're starting off at, whatever wherever your

1946
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: education comes from, just make sure you hear your gifts.

1947
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 1: So now you have his line of spice flavors, a

1948
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: premium gamete spice line inspired by global cuisine. Tell us

1949
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: how did they get started? Is it online? Right now?

1950
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: You know, in the middle of the cyber Monday, you know,

1951
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: come out for Black Friday. Can we go online to

1952
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 1: buy this? But first tell us about this because I

1953
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: love spicy food from Houston, Texas. You know, I love

1954
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,800
Speaker 1: Cajun food. I love put some good salt on my food,

1955
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: some good let me pep on my food. I just

1956
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: love spicy food. So what I saw a spice flavor

1957
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: lit I got excited. Well, yes, so as you can tell,

1958
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,440
Speaker 1: or you might think. I love spices too. I love flavors.

1959
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 1: I love different bringing different flavors through in different dishes

1960
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: if you don't expect it. So just sabor. We're actually

1961
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: selling our and I was like, yeah, we're selling our

1962
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 1: new gift boxes for Cyber Monday and also we'll have

1963
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 1: some sales during the holiday season. Um. With the gift box,

1964
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: you get three of our signature spices, you get a

1965
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 1: couple of class step by step instruction by me, and

1966
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 1: we sent you two recipes to nude recipes for you

1967
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: to try as well. Do you say you get a

1968
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: cooking class. A cooking class, how does that work? I'm

1969
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: through zoom right, so zoom. So when you get your

1970
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 1: spice boxes, we currently have four designated spice boxes and

1971
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna come up with four different classes per months.

1972
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: So the spice box, you'll get an invite to the

1973
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: class that works with the spice pack that you ordered,

1974
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 1: and then I'll instruct you on how naked and we'll

1975
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:48,560
Speaker 1: have good time. We'll have fun in the kitchen and

1976
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 1: you kind of get to be in my kitchen space.

1977
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: We'll have a soundtrack and all the good stuff and

1978
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,680
Speaker 1: a Q and A afterwards, and it's just really a

1979
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: time for people. It's like, Okay, a lot of us

1980
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 1: buy things were like, oh that's spice, looks good, and

1981
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 1: you don't do it when you got home. When you

1982
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: get home, So we want to do the cooking class

1983
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 1: so people know how to use the spices. Now. The

1984
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 1: just savor line, that savor r, the Savory spice line

1985
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: is rich spices from around the world. You have garlic goodness,

1986
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: ShaSS a lot saila sha sailor maple sugar magic that

1987
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: sounds fantastic, mathing sugar that sounds like something you put

1988
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 1: on with some bottom cue right there. It's a good

1989
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: old some good beans right there. So we have all

1990
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:36,560
Speaker 1: these new flavors. Chef, you mess with me now like

1991
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:41,719
Speaker 1: that I got you with the barbecue chicken, the apple

1992
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: woods smoke sea salt. That's k as well. See, I

1993
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: love I love baked potatoes. Okay, I love baked potato. Okay. Cool.

1994
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 1: So like that's spicy garlic madness on some baked potato

1995
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: right there. That you're making jerk spice on some baked

1996
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: potatoes right there? Oh my god, is it a lot

1997
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:08,599
Speaker 1: a lot sea salt right there? That's come on, now

1998
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: you're messing with me. Now listen. We had to bring

1999
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: the flavors. We started off with our salt free because, um,

2000
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 1: being a massam her Mary Heart Association, you know, heart

2001
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 1: disease is near and dear to my heart. Um, and

2002
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I really want to do my part to allow people

2003
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: to have flavor but also live their healthy salt free

2004
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: lifestyles or just included into their traditional lifestyles. But I

2005
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to create a product that would

2006
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 1: be able to open people's mind about what salt free

2007
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: cooking is, but also give them really good flavors as well.

2008
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 1: But like I said, you know, the Savor Spice line

2009
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: is in the verde of salt free. Like you said,

2010
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 1: heart healthy lifestyle, the spices of vegan. You didn't say that,

2011
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 1: but I'm saying it for you and your gluten free

2012
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 1: natural with no MSG additives or preservatives. See I see,

2013
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna convert. I'm your well dressed commercial friend. Now

2014
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,600
Speaker 1: now tell us how we can go online and get this.

2015
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna drop this in my newsletter this

2016
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 1: week that goes out Wednesday. I'm gonna put this at

2017
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 1: the top of my newsletters to register on news letter

2018
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: money Making Conversation dot com, and you will see Roshan

2019
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: McDonald tells the true because I love the box. I

2020
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 1: love the look, I love the factor you can get

2021
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 1: a class. I love that there are twenty spice singers

2022
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: to spice flavors tied to this whole brand because, like

2023
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: I said, the Jamaican jam and jerk you got me

2024
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: right there. I'm telling me, I'm so the maple sugar magic,

2025
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 1: I'm sold right there, the spicy garlic madness right there,

2026
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 1: and then the apple Woods smoke. See so come on now,

2027
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: my favorite you, it changes, it changes how you right there.

2028
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: I just I see that in Greens right there, the

2029
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 1: apple Woods. See so I said that in Greens you know,

2030
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: and like I said, I'm just telling you what Rushance

2031
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:57,560
Speaker 1: you could try this all all your meats, all this

2032
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: this was spices all about. I'm telling you when I can,

2033
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 1: he's something that I immediately go I like it because see,

2034
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: I love That's why I love that maple sugar magic.

2035
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: Because I love bitter sweet. I like you know, sugar salt.

2036
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: I like those flavors that kind of like when I eat,

2037
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: it gives me a mixed vibe and it's a certain

2038
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: level enjoyment. That's why I love your spices. And I'm

2039
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: telling them jerk, I love me some jerk flavor. The

2040
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: fact you got jam and jerking there, I'm so, I'm

2041
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 1: so I appreciate that. I'm I'm so excited. I am

2042
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 1: gonna get you a new box you have. You have

2043
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 1: the spices. We had our salt free line first, but

2044
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 1: now that we have more flavors, it's the cool thing

2045
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: about it. First of all, I have, you know, I

2046
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 1: have a home in Houston. I've been blessed have a

2047
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: home in Atlanta, and I have an office kitchen. Okay,

2048
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 1: So when you when when the ship, it's gonna stay

2049
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 1: at my office, okay, and then I manna have my

2050
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: other shipment at my house. That way, I'm like I

2051
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: don't have to take my little jam and jerk to

2052
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: the office or take it to the house and forget

2053
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: the brain. One day, I'm cooking in my office and

2054
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: looking at cabinets missing, so all that gonna be. I'm

2055
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna take a photo of showing it in my cabinet,

2056
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get together. We're gonna come back on,

2057
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: come back together, and I'm gonna be in my kitchen.

2058
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in your kiden. Were gonna have some fun. Okay,

2059
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 1: it sounds like a good time. It sounds like a

2060
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 1: culinary party. I'm here for it. I'm on v I

2061
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: p y'all, I'm fee came out. I love it. I

2062
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 1: really gonna thank you for taking your time to come

2063
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 1: on my show. Because more importantly, I love talking to

2064
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: people in the food industry. I love talking to chefs.

2065
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: Is a culinary world that you know a lot of

2066
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 1: people want they go to restaurants, they don't know there's

2067
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 1: a black chef back there. They don't know that blacks

2068
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: are how really dominating it. And then also the fact

2069
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 1: that I like to bring on chefs because you know,

2070
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: the black community has a sense of what chefs are

2071
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, the neighborhood sold food joints and we're doing

2072
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 1: more than that in the kitchen, Man Salmiches, I have

2073
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 1: them all on this show. They all come over here

2074
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: and I left. I got a man on Duado out

2075
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: of Seattle who's coming on the show, rotting the Sky

2076
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 1: down in Carolina. So they all come on my show.

2077
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 1: My boy blessed so out of l A, who I

2078
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: started way back day when we were just doing barbecue

2079
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: and Compton, California. So now they have you on my show.

2080
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for taking the time. But

2081
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: you are family now, Okay, you beautiful. First of all,

2082
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 1: I just love your look. I love your hair. You

2083
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: know when you came on and I said, I love

2084
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 1: your style. With that being said, I know why our

2085
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: TV loves you. I know you a got that telling

2086
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: when your television honor, you're gonna get more than that

2087
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be friends. Okay me you friends? Okay,

2088
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. Yes here we are yes, okay,

2089
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 1: just savor. That's why it's uh spice flavors or twenties signatures,

2090
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: spice flavors Like I said, Jam and Jorge Garling. Goodness

2091
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: that I was just calling out my favorite. You know,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Money Making Conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald.

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Speaker 1: My next guest is Derek Rutledge. He's arguably one of

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Speaker 1: the most prolific and sought after makeup artists of his time.

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Speaker 1: Derek Rutledge is launching a limited edition of Eye Last

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Speaker 1: welcome to Money Making Conversations. Derek Rutledge. Hey, hey everybody

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Speaker 1: out here, how you doing well? First of all, Derek,

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Speaker 1: you know I first of all being on the line

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Speaker 1: with somebody who knows how to get the face right?

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Speaker 1: How did that start? How did the whole makeup things start? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have twenty five minutes here, so I

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Speaker 1: you know, I could tell you talk to you for

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Speaker 1: the next three hours about that, but I'm gonna condense

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Speaker 1: it for you. But you college um, from college to

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Speaker 1: working with a publisher that took me to Europe and

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Speaker 1: creating a wonderful portfolio that brought me back here to

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Speaker 1: work with Deadly Cosmos Costology for about four years. From

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Speaker 1: there to be et that, I was there for about

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Speaker 1: five years and that's why I got to meet so

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Speaker 1: many of the wonderful celebrities that I worked with now

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Speaker 1: and worked with continuously for about twenty years, UM going

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Speaker 1: you know, doing UM tours and mute movie videos and

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Speaker 1: movies and videos and award shows, and then from there

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Speaker 1: to getting that call of to come in an audition

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Speaker 1: for the First Lady Michelle Obama and was there from

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine until eleven. And then while I

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Speaker 1: was there, Oprah Winfrey saw my work and asked me

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Speaker 1: if I were come in an audition for her. And

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Speaker 1: once I did that, I was working with both Michelle

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Speaker 1: Obama and uh first you know, Oprah Winfrey and then

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Speaker 1: the because their schedules are so rigorous and they had

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Speaker 1: such a tight schedule, it was very difficult to work

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Speaker 1: with those who have made the decision into UM continue

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Speaker 1: on with Open Winfrey and not being with her nap

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Speaker 1: for the past ten years. Now, you made a decision. Now,

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Speaker 1: it was your decision the first lady, that's what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: And your decision was open That was your decision. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no, it wasn't a decision, but it was okay.

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Speaker 1: Both of them had schedules and you know it was

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Speaker 1: it was aug tug a war, right and and UM,

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Speaker 1: I've been there three years. It was. It was just

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Speaker 1: it was. It was come on, come on, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: stop all this. I'm bragging about you now, Okay, a

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Speaker 1: war between First Lady Rochelle Obama and Oprah Winfrey conceivably

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Speaker 1: the most powerful black woman in the history of politics.

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Speaker 1: You have to say her, that's and the most powerful

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Speaker 1: Black lady in the history of entertainment and entrepreneurship. You

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Speaker 1: can't get any better than that. That's a testimony to

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Speaker 1: your skill set. Yes it is, Yes, it is. So.

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Speaker 1: It was a long as room to get there. You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean when I you know, I dreamed

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Speaker 1: of being at the White House, you know I really

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Speaker 1: wanted When I saw them, you know, Michelle Obama and

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Speaker 1: Rock literally at the Inaugural ball dancing, I just kept saying,

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Speaker 1: I really want to do her makeup. Now, let's backed

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Speaker 1: that up to when I was working at BT every

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Speaker 1: day at four o'clock, I would literally be sitting in

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Speaker 1: the makeup room doing makeup on the celebrities as it

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Speaker 1: were coming in and always tuning in at po o'clock

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Speaker 1: saying then, back then, I just want to do Oprah

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Speaker 1: one time. I just would love to just do open

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Speaker 1: one time, you know, just so she could see my work.

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Speaker 1: And that was back then in me because I left

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Speaker 1: BT in UM two thousand nine World I show were

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Speaker 1: you working on? Our show? Was you're working on? And

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Speaker 1: I was working on every I was doing all the

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Speaker 1: flagship shows. I did every, I mean video soul. I

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Speaker 1: was doing Caribbean rhythms with Rachel. I was doing Donnie Simpson,

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Speaker 1: Sherry Carter, Rachel, I was doing Angela Stribling. I was

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Speaker 1: doing every all the news shows. I was doing all

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Speaker 1: the flagship shows there. And I literally got there um

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Speaker 1: through the recommendation of Kenya Moore because she was doing

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Speaker 1: hosting a show at that time and wasn't pleased with

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Speaker 1: whoever was doing her makeup and they asked she They

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Speaker 1: asked her, but what can make you happy? She said, um,

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Speaker 1: another makeup arts. They said, well, who do you know someone?

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Speaker 1: She said, well, you got the best here in the

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Speaker 1: city because of course I lived in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: And uh, they brought me in. I did her show,

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Speaker 1: the makeup artis that was there. Literally went on vacation

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Speaker 1: from there. They asked me what I stayed on and

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Speaker 1: do the makeup for all those shows that were there

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Speaker 1: on the on the network, and I said yes from

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Speaker 1: bad They asked me if I could stay on, you know,

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Speaker 1: so it just you know, um, And that was right

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Speaker 1: off the skirts of working for Dudley Cosmetology is in

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Speaker 1: charge of putting together all their beauty books for almost

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Speaker 1: five years. Um. And then you know it was I

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Speaker 1: was traveling back and forth going to from DC to

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Speaker 1: North Carolina every week. Um. And after you know, building

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Speaker 1: up there, you know, the building their makeup line and

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Speaker 1: and helping with all the beauty books and everything, they

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Speaker 1: decided that they, you know, it was time for me

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Speaker 1: to like to let me go. And one thing I

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Speaker 1: know for sure is that whenever God feels that you

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Speaker 1: you've got into a place where you start to be stagnant,

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Speaker 1: it's time to move on. You may be scared to

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Speaker 1: do it, so he always has a way of helping

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Speaker 1: you to get to that next level and forcing you out. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's what got me being home in d C,

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Speaker 1: which got me to being a BT. And then once

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Speaker 1: BT decided to leave d C and go to New York,

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Speaker 1: I had the option of want of going to New

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Speaker 1: you moving to New York and reapplying for my position there,

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Speaker 1: but I love New York for visiting. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: person that really likes New York. For New York is

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Speaker 1: a different beach. It's it's a beast. It's a beast.

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Speaker 1: And I was comfortable here in my home here. And

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Speaker 1: because by that time I had such a big name

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Speaker 1: people that wanted my services, they flew me wherever they

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Speaker 1: needed me to go. So I decided to step out

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Speaker 1: on faith. I decided to At that time, I decided

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Speaker 1: to have my guessip by passed serge because I literally

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Speaker 1: was known as the big guy in the makeup room

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Speaker 1: that could be faced. That's what was my title, that

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Speaker 1: you know, that big guy in the big makeup room

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Speaker 1: that could be faced, the setting that last booth in

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Speaker 1: the back. And at that time I got up to

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Speaker 1: at my heaviest way five and eighty pounds. But it

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Speaker 1: was when I left bt is decided to step out

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Speaker 1: on faith. I said, I can't hide in the makeup

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Speaker 1: room anymore. I've got to do something to further my

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Speaker 1: career and helped my career and pivot me to being

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Speaker 1: more visible. And so I had my gas your bypassed

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Speaker 1: and from that, my I mean from that, I lost

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Speaker 1: three hundred pounds and I literally my confidence level really

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Speaker 1: blew up, and I started being more um, started being

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Speaker 1: more visible, taking by what I did on the road

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Speaker 1: and doing makeup seminars and doing you know, so um,

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Speaker 1: everything I've done for my career to help myself has

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Speaker 1: been something to build me and take me to the

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Speaker 1: next level. Now let's talk about that. So you are

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Speaker 1: a motivational story. You know, Like, there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: things I want to pull back on. When you said

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Speaker 1: you went out on faith, okay, you went out on

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Speaker 1: your resume okay, And you you really did have a plan,

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Speaker 1: because like you said, you decided to lose weight. That

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Speaker 1: was a plan. You have an incredible resume, that was

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Speaker 1: a plan. The faith part was just the inspiration part

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Speaker 1: of it. And I always tell people when they're doing business,

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Speaker 1: keep your faith, have your business plan, have your resume updated,

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Speaker 1: have you buy your accurate then you go out there

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02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: and then you can go out on faith. Too many

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Speaker 1: people use put too much pressure and too much responsibility

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Speaker 1: on the word faith. And when I hear come out

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Speaker 1: of your mouth and I'm hearing your story and your journey,

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Speaker 1: hard work, consistency, reputation. The thing about I love about

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Speaker 1: your story so far is that you were honest with yourself.

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Speaker 1: You were honest about your physical being because once you

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Speaker 1: lost that weight or that weight was taken off of you,

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Speaker 1: then you physically you could do more, You could walk more.

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Speaker 1: You was not as fatigued. You weren't leaning on, leaning

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Speaker 1: on the chair, leaning on the car, all the things. Right,

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Speaker 1: you know what, um even met by the law my

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Speaker 1: biggest way because well, I decided to have to guess

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Speaker 1: you got past but I didn't. I don't People say

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Speaker 1: I was easy, but it was not the easy way

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02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 1: because I took I did everything. I tried so many

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Speaker 1: different diet plans to get to every one. I would

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Speaker 1: lose the weight, and I would once I got off

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Speaker 1: that plan, I gain, I lose again, I lose a game.

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Speaker 1: And what happened was I was pushing myself. I would literally,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would laugh outwardly, but inwardly I was

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Speaker 1: very very unhappy. And um, if it wasn't for the

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Speaker 1: fact that I had such a good heart and was

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02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 1: so damn good at what I did, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I would have gotten as far because I didn't find

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Speaker 1: out until I lost the weight that a lot of

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Speaker 1: the celebrities that I worked for, you, Linda Adams cclan

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Speaker 1: and Shaka Khan, Um Seante Moore, Um, and the list

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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on and on. They would

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Speaker 1: always recommend me, Shaka Khan, you know, they would always

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Speaker 1: recommend me. Two different producers and you know, to to

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Speaker 1: and directors that they wanted to make up done by me,

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02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 1: magazine editors and a lot of them I found out

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Speaker 1: at you know, later on down the line, UM said

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Speaker 1: that if it wasn't for your artists pushing for you,

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02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:01,320
Speaker 1: we would not use you because we were worried that

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Speaker 1: you would not be able to you have a heart

2345
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:06,840
Speaker 1: attack on set about having a paper to seats on

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02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:09,280
Speaker 1: the plane, things like that, and but it was but

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02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 1: it was up to me. It had to be up

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02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 1: to me to decide enough is enough. And I got

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02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:17,080
Speaker 1: tired of walking through the airports and have it to

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02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:21,360
Speaker 1: stop in order to um get halfway down, get them,

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02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, get to my gate. So Um it was

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02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was my my strong determination and my

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02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 1: faith that you know pushed me towards doing this. And

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02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:35,200
Speaker 1: then also the fact that I have a lot you

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02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,720
Speaker 1: know that I have I still have to do on

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02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:41,920
Speaker 1: this earth, and I needed to further my life in

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02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:45,400
Speaker 1: order to tell that story and to help other people

2358
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:49,040
Speaker 1: because I'm I know, I'm here you know for a purpose,

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02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:52,400
Speaker 1: and my purpose is um for love and to help.

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02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm a good motivator, I'm a good connector. And that's

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02:03:56,360 --> 02:04:00,760
Speaker 1: what a lot of people say and my story. It's

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02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:04,920
Speaker 1: a first of all, you're a good looking guy, okay,

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02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:07,720
Speaker 1: and you have a style about you. Okay. You know,

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02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 1: you're like a flawless skin. See a lot of things.

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02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, I would tell you. So you know, if

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Speaker 1: you go in the kitchen and the guy said you

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Speaker 1: are a great share for the kitchen dirty okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: how good to the kitchen, I'm not gonna use him

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Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna trust this food. So from for

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Speaker 1: for what I'm seeing here, your appresentations outstanding, Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciated. I understand what I'm saying. So I have

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Speaker 1: to be a a I have to be a example

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Speaker 1: of what I'm saying. I can't talk about beautiful skin

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02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,879
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself. If not, I'm not an example

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Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about. I take very I yes,

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02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 1: I do take very could care of my skin. Um

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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I've been doing since COVID

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Speaker 1: took over took place. I literally have been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of Zoom meetings, um um U tutorials. I've been

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02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 1: doing a lot of just talking with people trying to

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02:04:58,120 --> 02:05:01,440
Speaker 1: get them to understand and that this, you know, this

2382
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 1: setback doesn't mean it's you know, it's all over it.

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02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:07,400
Speaker 1: This is just just a tompy to reflect and pivot

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02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:09,680
Speaker 1: and figure out what it is deep down and you

2385
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 1: really wanted to do and sit back, think, um pray,

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02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:17,840
Speaker 1: get quiet, listen to the voice of God, and then

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02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,120
Speaker 1: figure out what it is that you really had, these

2388
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:23,920
Speaker 1: these desires that you want to do and and act

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02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,640
Speaker 1: upon them, which is what I did because my life,

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02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:29,320
Speaker 1: to me, as I tell people, this is the longest

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02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 1: I've ever been at home in my entire life. My

2392
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:35,800
Speaker 1: life for thirty years has always been on the road

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02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 1: in other country somewhere around the world, traveling with um

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Speaker 1: an artist, and to be home from March ten um

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02:05:45,560 --> 02:05:49,760
Speaker 1: from March timp to now has been. It's been. It

2396
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 1: has been difficult. But what I did was I decided

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02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:56,920
Speaker 1: it's really time to now all these beauty lines, all

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02:05:57,080 --> 02:05:59,840
Speaker 1: these um in care lines, all these things that I

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02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:03,960
Speaker 1: had this this axis, this desire to do that I

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02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 1: had out fifteen years ago that I didn't have the

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02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:09,880
Speaker 1: time to do because my schedule was so vigorous. Bring

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Speaker 1: them back up. But instead of doing it, UM bring

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Speaker 1: out an entire line introduced him one at a time

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02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 1: because um with now with social media, you can really

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02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:22,280
Speaker 1: get out there and showcase yourself and it's not as

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02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 1: difficult because I was having to go on the road

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Speaker 1: and carry products from convention hall to convention hall and

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02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 1: all those fees flying in my staff, pain, details, air,

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02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:36,000
Speaker 1: fear and everything, and by the time you sell your product,

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02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:41,400
Speaker 1: you can only really breaking or you know, the profits

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02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:44,360
Speaker 1: don't have value to it. Now, let's talk about that

2412
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,360
Speaker 1: because we brought you on the should to talk about

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Speaker 1: something that's an Oprah Worferens favorite things for the holiday gift.

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Speaker 1: That's a derrickvilege perfecting your presence with just the pr

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Speaker 1: P collection that if you're looking at the video that

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Speaker 1: he has some boxes behind these beautiful our last one

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Speaker 1: of the more loring things I find all the eyes

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02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 1: of a woman. You know, if you just blocked out

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02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 1: the entire fairhead they body and just show that their

2420
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:13,400
Speaker 1: eyes that eyes tell an amazing story. So for you,

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02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:15,880
Speaker 1: for you to come up with with this this plan

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02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,600
Speaker 1: of action, talk about how it came about. Of course

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02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 1: you see it when you're doing makeup. You you're the

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02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:23,320
Speaker 1: closest the person will get without kissing and I having

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02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:26,160
Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. It's a makeup artist, by the way,

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02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:29,480
Speaker 1: because they get that close on you. And so they

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02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:32,040
Speaker 1: get that closer, so you get to see the everything

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Speaker 1: on a person's face. Why it works, why I don't work.

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Speaker 1: So talk to us about putting this whole thing together

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Speaker 1: one and then we're gonna talk about when you got

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02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:44,160
Speaker 1: the call that you was in the opera box. Well,

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02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:48,640
Speaker 1: like I said, um doing covid um. I had to

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02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:51,000
Speaker 1: figure out what I was going to do um. And

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02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:56,200
Speaker 1: it was at when when people started talking about I've

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02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 1: been on different every every Instagram you could think of,

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02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, talking to you, actually interviewing a lot of

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02:08:02,440 --> 02:08:05,640
Speaker 1: celebrities that I literally have been doing makeup for us.

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02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 1: I didn't interview Darlene Well, we won't go into the names.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot. And so I say, why people,

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Speaker 1: I'm reading these comments because what I do is in

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02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 1: order for me to keep focused. I don't look at

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02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:21,040
Speaker 1: the comments, because so I will literally take my glasses

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02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:23,520
Speaker 1: off so I don't read anything people saying. And they said,

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02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:25,000
Speaker 1: there are you reading the comments? I said, no, I

2445
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 1: can't see them. They said, well, Derek, everyone's talking about

2446
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:29,800
Speaker 1: your skin and how beautiful your skin is and how

2447
02:08:29,960 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 1: pretty you look on on the thing. What are you doing?

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02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:34,880
Speaker 1: So I told them, you know, different things I was

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02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:37,000
Speaker 1: doing is so they said, well, I've run out of

2450
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:39,400
Speaker 1: stuff here, and you know, I've run out of my

2451
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:41,520
Speaker 1: products and I can't get to the store. So then

2452
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:43,840
Speaker 1: I was telling people how to shop their pantries and

2453
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:46,920
Speaker 1: how they can use all kinds of ingredients. They headed

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02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:50,960
Speaker 1: home to create masks and moisturizers, and they went from

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02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:53,120
Speaker 1: there to or Home of God. Whatever it is that

2456
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:55,960
Speaker 1: you're going to sell, you know will buy because we

2457
02:08:56,360 --> 02:08:59,200
Speaker 1: obviously see that, you know, you have beautiful skins. So

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02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:01,400
Speaker 1: whoever you self as far as skin, will buy it.

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02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:04,520
Speaker 1: And so I decided I would come out with something

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02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:07,680
Speaker 1: for skin. But then, because we're forced to have to

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02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 1: wear masks, I see, my campaign was how do you

2462
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:13,920
Speaker 1: make an impression? Yes, of course you want to take

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02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,480
Speaker 1: care of your skin. That's first and foremost, because you're

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02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:19,080
Speaker 1: at home. You want to you know, you you're you're

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02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:22,560
Speaker 1: You're in situations like now it's getting cold, so it's

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02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:24,760
Speaker 1: getting drier, so you want to keep your skin mortualized.

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02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:27,440
Speaker 1: But how are you having to wear make an impression

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02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:29,520
Speaker 1: when you're having to wear a mask? How do you

2469
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:32,680
Speaker 1: make an impression when you're having to do these zoom meetings.

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02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,080
Speaker 1: You have to do all these interviews and you're now

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02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:38,880
Speaker 1: holding board meetings on on the computer. Through your eyes.

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02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Your eyes tell a story. So I said, well, the

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02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:43,840
Speaker 1: first thing I would do is I would come out

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02:09:43,880 --> 02:09:48,680
Speaker 1: with a collection of lashes um and it was. It

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02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 1: was a long process because first of all, having to

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02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:53,960
Speaker 1: get them in, having to look at them, having to

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02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:56,000
Speaker 1: figure out because it wasn't just a thing of just

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02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:59,000
Speaker 1: picking some lashes. I thought, really hard, all this is

2479
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:01,760
Speaker 1: happening during co right, all this has happened during COVID.

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02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 1: All this happened during COVID. It literally happened doing COVID.

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02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:08,440
Speaker 1: And this started happening in May. I started back and

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02:10:08,600 --> 02:10:11,400
Speaker 1: May working on it and getting all the product in

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02:10:11,480 --> 02:10:13,520
Speaker 1: to look at. And then I had to keep in

2484
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 1: mind I wanted this to be universal, so I wanted

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02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:19,160
Speaker 1: to think about all the ethnicities that I wanted to reach,

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02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:21,840
Speaker 1: So I had to think about and look at different

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02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:26,440
Speaker 1: ways that women's eyelashes grow according to their ethnicity. Um.

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02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:29,520
Speaker 1: And so then I chose and then I wanted them.

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02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:34,000
Speaker 1: You know a lot of lashes, UH have hair on

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02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:37,560
Speaker 1: one band. But what I wanted was I wanted them

2491
02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:40,840
Speaker 1: to be more three D and four D, five D

2492
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:43,880
Speaker 1: and two D dimensional so because so that they would

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02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:47,600
Speaker 1: look just like they were literally coming out of someone's eyes,

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02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:50,680
Speaker 1: which meant that it was a thicker band, which was

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02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:52,760
Speaker 1: which was a cotton band. And I wanted them to

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02:10:52,920 --> 02:10:55,440
Speaker 1: last because I don't want someone to spend their money

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02:10:55,480 --> 02:10:58,280
Speaker 1: on a product that will not last. So once that

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02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:01,680
Speaker 1: was done, then they think of naming the product. Once

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02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 1: I named everything, um um, I bought a you know

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02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,280
Speaker 1: safely for an other makeup artists that I'm I'm very

2501
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:14,480
Speaker 1: familiar with that names in the industry. And I chose

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02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:19,080
Speaker 1: my twenty five that I wanted, and but I and

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02:11:19,200 --> 02:11:22,240
Speaker 1: I broke. I started two hundred, broke it down to fifty.

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02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:25,040
Speaker 1: I chose my twenty five and I had each one

2505
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:27,640
Speaker 1: of them choose their favorites and looked on the back

2506
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: to see which ones they had chosen, and it was

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02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:32,520
Speaker 1: if it was the one I chose. And basically all

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02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:35,840
Speaker 1: of them picked just about the exact same ones that

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02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:40,640
Speaker 1: I chose, and the ones that I had question about

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02:11:40,720 --> 02:11:42,680
Speaker 1: that I really wanted, but I was if I could

2511
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,760
Speaker 1: add more to the collection. Um. And then they chose

2512
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:48,800
Speaker 1: told me why they liked them, and then why I

2513
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:51,960
Speaker 1: liked it. Then when I talked with my manager, he said, okay,

2514
02:11:52,040 --> 02:11:54,400
Speaker 1: let's add another three piers. So the collection was twenty

2515
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:57,840
Speaker 1: eight payer um. And then I also did I did

2516
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:01,320
Speaker 1: not forget the generations. I would um the baby baby

2517
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:04,440
Speaker 1: boomers all the way to generation ze, those big long

2518
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:06,880
Speaker 1: last that you see a lot of the young girls

2519
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:10,280
Speaker 1: wearing that are and some of the um, some of

2520
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:13,240
Speaker 1: those women that like a little boldness and as well,

2521
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:19,440
Speaker 1: long long so and I wondered that you wanted the

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02:12:19,480 --> 02:12:23,200
Speaker 1: culpers behind that. NAWG, I was going, what is less

2523
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:26,160
Speaker 1: coming from? So that's awesome, that's awesome. Yeah, So I saw,

2524
02:12:26,200 --> 02:12:28,080
Speaker 1: I went, I had three you know, I saw. Then

2525
02:12:28,080 --> 02:12:31,560
Speaker 1: I broken into categories, the the shiros, which are the long,

2526
02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:36,160
Speaker 1: luxurious ones, the lush, and the predaporte. And then once

2527
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:39,240
Speaker 1: I did that, I sent them to Oprah, and what

2528
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:42,240
Speaker 1: I did was to make it easier. I chose six

2529
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:45,320
Speaker 1: pair out of the bunch, three per day, three for evening,

2530
02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:48,480
Speaker 1: told her to pick her favorite, you know, out of

2531
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:50,840
Speaker 1: the three per day. Out of the three to take

2532
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:54,280
Speaker 1: it from day to evening, pick your pick one from

2533
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:57,640
Speaker 1: each category, and she did. Once she did, I had

2534
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:00,880
Speaker 1: my team to work on a beautifu a kid. When

2535
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:03,640
Speaker 1: choosing on when I was thinking about what I wanted

2536
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:07,600
Speaker 1: kids to look like, I wanted to be something pretty elegant,

2537
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:12,200
Speaker 1: luxurious because that's the image that I UM portrayed. So

2538
02:13:12,680 --> 02:13:15,920
Speaker 1: once they came back with it um and I wanted

2539
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:18,760
Speaker 1: to also make it easy, so that's where the adhesive

2540
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:21,840
Speaker 1: came in. That's where the applicator came in. And then

2541
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 1: after I did that, I said the kid to Old

2542
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:29,480
Speaker 1: Magazine for consideration for favorite things. And the next thing

2543
02:13:29,560 --> 02:13:31,440
Speaker 1: I know is I mean, it was a couple of

2544
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:34,400
Speaker 1: weeks later I heard back from them and they said,

2545
02:13:34,440 --> 02:13:36,600
Speaker 1: You've been chosen his favorite things. And of course I

2546
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:40,440
Speaker 1: had my little minor breakdown because it was this was

2547
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,680
Speaker 1: a long process to get to this point because this

2548
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:47,120
Speaker 1: was all being done during COVID. Even my photo shoot

2549
02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:50,919
Speaker 1: the girl that I that's the brand for the high lashes.

2550
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:55,320
Speaker 1: She literally was seven months pregnant. Her fiance was the

2551
02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:59,080
Speaker 1: photographer who was a big, big time photographer, and I've

2552
02:13:59,200 --> 02:14:03,120
Speaker 1: used her previe on another campaign and I loved her

2553
02:14:03,160 --> 02:14:05,760
Speaker 1: look so much and she was so beautiful. I wanted

2554
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:08,440
Speaker 1: to use her again. Little did I know that her

2555
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:12,920
Speaker 1: fiance was a big time photographer and during COVID, you know,

2556
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:15,680
Speaker 1: she like said she was pregnant, and when we shot

2557
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:20,240
Speaker 1: the campaign back in July, she was seven months pregnant then.

2558
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:22,880
Speaker 1: And then I couldn't It was also a good time

2559
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:25,480
Speaker 1: when you really couldn't travel anywhere. So what I had

2560
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,400
Speaker 1: to do was literally, um, figure out what how is

2561
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:29,920
Speaker 1: am I gonna be able to do make up? What

2562
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:32,240
Speaker 1: I did was I shot here at my home using

2563
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:35,240
Speaker 1: my god daughter as a model for just to show

2564
02:14:35,320 --> 02:14:37,880
Speaker 1: you up close with the what the last year would

2565
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:40,920
Speaker 1: look like. But I needed to get that my girl,

2566
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, my model shot in l A because that's

2567
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:47,080
Speaker 1: where the polo she was taking out taking place. Literally,

2568
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:50,960
Speaker 1: my beauty god daughter that took one of my classes

2569
02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:53,800
Speaker 1: that I used for a lot of events. Um in

2570
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:57,320
Speaker 1: l A or wherever she is, she just happened to

2571
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:59,800
Speaker 1: be in l A during that time because she was

2572
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:02,080
Speaker 1: the going there for a movie and just when she

2573
02:15:02,200 --> 02:15:05,000
Speaker 1: got being a ride, the movie get shut down because

2574
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:07,360
Speaker 1: of COVID, but she was still. I reached out to

2575
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:10,640
Speaker 1: her and said, Brianna, can you please do this shoot?

2576
02:15:10,680 --> 02:15:14,160
Speaker 1: She went and got tested. Um, the photographer and his

2577
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:18,240
Speaker 1: fiancee got tested. She did the shoot and of course

2578
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that he likes to do.

2579
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm when I get on sets to do a photo shoot,

2580
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:28,120
Speaker 1: I am very anal, I'm very demanding because it's a

2581
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:32,560
Speaker 1: it has to be, it has to I did yes,

2582
02:15:33,480 --> 02:15:37,560
Speaker 1: and so Um I literally was on zoom calls trying

2583
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:39,440
Speaker 1: to tell okay, I want you to do this. You

2584
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:42,000
Speaker 1: know now, I want the eyebrow to look a bit

2585
02:15:42,080 --> 02:15:44,680
Speaker 1: like this, and okay, if I was you know, I

2586
02:15:44,760 --> 02:15:46,320
Speaker 1: said I had to step back and said, you know,

2587
02:15:46,360 --> 02:15:50,480
Speaker 1: with there need to trust her. She's she's she's taking

2588
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:53,600
Speaker 1: some classes from you, and also she is a very

2589
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:56,840
Speaker 1: good makeup artist on her own right, by her own right.

2590
02:15:57,160 --> 02:15:59,400
Speaker 1: So let me go on and trust her that she's

2591
02:15:59,400 --> 02:16:04,400
Speaker 1: going to give me the Derek, which is the company,

2592
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:11,240
Speaker 1: the draft signature, and from there trusted and then with

2593
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:14,920
Speaker 1: my behind the scenes person with with Brian, which was

2594
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:19,840
Speaker 1: Ken Brihanna which was the makeup artist, Shelby who was

2595
02:16:19,880 --> 02:16:23,600
Speaker 1: a model, and her fiance Brandon. I got some wonderful,

2596
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:27,680
Speaker 1: wonderful country. Yeah. You trust with people, you trust with

2597
02:16:27,720 --> 02:16:31,080
Speaker 1: people you know, trust people are It was definitely a

2598
02:16:31,160 --> 02:16:33,880
Speaker 1: trust back because I want those people that likes to

2599
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:36,680
Speaker 1: do things myself. That's true, that's true. But you can

2600
02:16:36,760 --> 02:16:39,400
Speaker 1: accomplish it, but you can't. You can't. You can't build

2601
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:44,440
Speaker 1: an empire for trust. Absolutely absolutely, And that's why I

2602
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:46,360
Speaker 1: love about your story is that and that's why I

2603
02:16:46,440 --> 02:16:49,560
Speaker 1: allowed you to tell it. Because as you started telling

2604
02:16:49,560 --> 02:16:52,160
Speaker 1: your story, more and more people start coming into your conversation.

2605
02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:55,800
Speaker 1: I started with this idea and may then all of

2606
02:16:55,800 --> 02:16:57,640
Speaker 1: a sudden that you were going through people getting on

2607
02:16:57,720 --> 02:17:02,080
Speaker 1: the phone, collaborating other but depending on people trusting. And

2608
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:04,440
Speaker 1: when you start trusting people, then they brought on other

2609
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:07,640
Speaker 1: people of higher quality that you didn't know. You know,

2610
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:10,560
Speaker 1: you didn't sit and so that your story is very

2611
02:17:10,959 --> 02:17:13,440
Speaker 1: motivational to me, and that's why I wanted to bring

2612
02:17:13,520 --> 02:17:15,119
Speaker 1: in the fight. The fact you have talent and you're

2613
02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:18,040
Speaker 1: so casual, you said, I said, Oprah. Some of the

2614
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:21,400
Speaker 1: eyelashes so she can pick out. He said that, so casual,

2615
02:17:21,879 --> 02:17:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, because your career, because you are talented, dude,

2616
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,480
Speaker 1: you have the right to be. You have the right

2617
02:17:34,520 --> 02:17:36,520
Speaker 1: to talk the way you talk. You have the right

2618
02:17:36,560 --> 02:17:39,280
Speaker 1: to be as casual the way because guess what I'm

2619
02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:42,840
Speaker 1: not in You're not at all of your success it's

2620
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Speaker 1: tied to hard work. You have these relationships. I know

2621
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Speaker 1: she one of my best friends. Okay, your Landa, you

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Speaker 1: know you know your land I call you Landa, my

2623
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Speaker 1: sistem hearing of nown just thinking about that because I

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Speaker 1: love you. Adams. He been a like a big sister

2625
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Speaker 1: to me. I've been a big brother to her. I

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Speaker 1: love Yolland Adam Blonde is a you know that's my sister.

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Speaker 1: Um your host, Sean McDonald, they're coming, really just stopped.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know who you are, Okay, and I

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Speaker 1: forgot that, you know, because I managed Steve Harvard for

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Speaker 1: sixteen years, so we bought the Yeah, absolutely so. Jim

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Speaker 1: at a hotel motivating me in the gym at the

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Speaker 1: my man. We bumped hands a cup in a positive way.

2659
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Speaker 1: Now when you when you when what has been the

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Speaker 1: reaction when you get part of the holiday gift collection?

2661
02:19:57,200 --> 02:19:59,840
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02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:07,920
Speaker 1: to us about that? Well, Um, the good thing about

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Speaker 1: all of this is that I've been hearing people there.

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02:20:10,320 --> 02:20:12,560
Speaker 1: If we've been you've been in the background for so long.

2666
02:20:12,680 --> 02:20:16,640
Speaker 1: You always you you always have been so humble about

2667
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:21,480
Speaker 1: making sure that whoever you work with always you make

2668
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:24,320
Speaker 1: sure they're in the in the forefront. You always. I mean,

2669
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Speaker 1: for instance, I'll use this as an example. I walked

2670
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Speaker 1: with with a celebrity I can't go into name, but

2671
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:34,119
Speaker 1: I'll be out of celebrity. And then another celebrity came ups.

2672
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:37,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you know who this is talking to?

2673
02:20:38,040 --> 02:20:40,680
Speaker 1: The celebrity den has done this and he's not list

2674
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:42,800
Speaker 1: and he's not list and this, and so I'm standing

2675
02:20:42,879 --> 02:20:44,800
Speaker 1: like about three or four feet behind it. I'm going

2676
02:20:47,879 --> 02:20:50,760
Speaker 1: like that because the whole and then once and they

2677
02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:53,040
Speaker 1: once they saw me do that, then they shut up.

2678
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:54,960
Speaker 1: So I went to them later I said, you know what,

2679
02:20:55,720 --> 02:20:59,320
Speaker 1: I whenever I'm with a celebrity, they're the one that

2680
02:20:59,480 --> 02:21:03,160
Speaker 1: need They all the star. It's not me. It's always them.

2681
02:21:03,400 --> 02:21:06,920
Speaker 1: It's all about them. Now when i'm you know, when

2682
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:09,120
Speaker 1: I go to an event and it's all up and

2683
02:21:09,320 --> 02:21:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm by myself or it's all about me, But I

2684
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:16,920
Speaker 1: always make sure that whoever I'm with, whatever celebrity i'm with,

2685
02:21:17,080 --> 02:21:19,320
Speaker 1: and even it doesn't even have to be a celebrity,

2686
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:23,240
Speaker 1: it's whoever i'm working with that that's at that time.

2687
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:25,480
Speaker 1: It could be a bride, it could be a model,

2688
02:21:25,560 --> 02:21:28,600
Speaker 1: it can be anybody day of The focus is not me.

2689
02:21:29,959 --> 02:21:33,040
Speaker 1: So everyone kept saying, Derek, you have been in the

2690
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:38,400
Speaker 1: background for so long, pushing so many other people. Let

2691
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:42,600
Speaker 1: us get behind you and push you because it's time you.

2692
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:44,640
Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a long time. Like I said,

2693
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,480
Speaker 1: it's been thirty years I've been doing makeup. Thank God,

2694
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:49,880
Speaker 1: I've taken good care of myself that I don't look

2695
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:53,760
Speaker 1: like I've been doing makeup for thirty years looking fantastic.

2696
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:58,279
Speaker 1: My friend appreciate that. Yeah, this year I turned fifty nine. Fantastic.

2697
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Speaker 1: Help I gotta get personal. We gonna wrap up this car,

2698
02:22:01,720 --> 02:22:03,400
Speaker 1: but I need a little help on my face. OK,

2699
02:22:03,720 --> 02:22:08,120
Speaker 1: no problem, no problems. Yeah, because I'm struggling with the

2700
02:22:08,200 --> 02:22:11,120
Speaker 1: bags under my eyes today. Okay, Well, we were working

2701
02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:14,480
Speaker 1: on something like that that I'm working on. I'm testing it,

2702
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:16,760
Speaker 1: and i'm testing it. So if that that's one of

2703
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:18,360
Speaker 1: the things I get from a lot of people, that

2704
02:22:18,920 --> 02:22:21,640
Speaker 1: and and something and whatever. The sermons I used on

2705
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Speaker 1: my face, which I came out fifteen years ago, I'm

2706
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:27,560
Speaker 1: coming out with that as well. But when did that

2707
02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:30,640
Speaker 1: coming out? When did that coming out? Coming out? The

2708
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:33,960
Speaker 1: bags on the eyes? When at that coming out? When

2709
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about stuff like that, you have to do

2710
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:38,120
Speaker 1: tests because you don't want to put out something that

2711
02:22:38,200 --> 02:22:40,560
Speaker 1: you get people saying that you messed up their skin

2712
02:22:40,760 --> 02:22:42,480
Speaker 1: or you know. So when you're doing stuff like that,

2713
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:45,000
Speaker 1: you have to get all kinds of tests done, and

2714
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:47,560
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure that you have doctors that actually

2715
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:50,840
Speaker 1: and you know. So I don't want to rush that,

2716
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:53,040
Speaker 1: but I've been working on that. I was working on

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Speaker 1: that before COVID because that was because I get that

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Speaker 1: problem with a lot of clients I work with. So

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Speaker 1: I've been working on something like like that up for

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Speaker 1: a while. But before that comes out, I'm gonna come

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Speaker 1: up with the skin oil because this serum that I've

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Speaker 1: been using, like I said, I came up with it

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago and I've been been using it continuously

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Speaker 1: since then. So I've been you know, that's why my

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Speaker 1: skin radiates the way it does because of that. But

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Speaker 1: right now we're pushing lashes. We're pushing your presidents lashes

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Speaker 1: right now, and we want to literally And not only that,

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Speaker 1: but the other pair of the collection is also available

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Speaker 1: on the website Perfecting Your Presence. So besides signating, besides

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Speaker 1: the kit we have here, UM, I also have the

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Speaker 1: other pair in the collection of our Lives liner. It

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Speaker 1: isn't well, no, it's not in my scare. It's um

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Speaker 1: it's just the lashes and adhesive and the applicator. Okay, excuse.

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Speaker 1: But also because what I was getting was request from

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Speaker 1: women to know, Okay, if I'm gonna get them, how

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Speaker 1: do I apply them? So I actually did a step

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Speaker 1: by step tutorial on the website as well demonstrating how

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Speaker 1: easy it is to apply the lashes. And I'll be

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of calls from a lot of women

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Speaker 1: tell me that they actually were putting the lashes on

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02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:16,480
Speaker 1: the found that they were doing it wrong. And also

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Speaker 1: the fact that they um learned a lot from the tutorial.

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Speaker 1: So that's good. I mean, last night um Ll Bryant

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Speaker 1: was was showcasing how she was wearing the lashes while

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Speaker 1: she was doing her uh Housewives of Potomac thing last night,

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Speaker 1: you know, her thing with that. So a lot of

2747
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Speaker 1: the celebrities are now reaching out and and helping with

2748
02:24:38,480 --> 02:24:41,560
Speaker 1: pushing me. And then I got women that are getting

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Speaker 1: the kids and and also the lashes from the collection

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02:24:45,440 --> 02:24:49,560
Speaker 1: and actually doing tutorials or or tagging themselves in the

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Speaker 1: lashes and sending them to me. And so what I'm

2752
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Speaker 1: doing is on the website and on the Instagram site

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Speaker 1: Perfecting your Presence, I'm showcasing these women because p y

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Speaker 1: P Perfecting Your pre is a community. It was an

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Speaker 1: actual platform that took on the road and coach women

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Speaker 1: on how to uplift their their with the way they look.

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Speaker 1: With helping with their hair, there will be their clothes,

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Speaker 1: their look by bringing experts in each of those fields

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Speaker 1: and talking to them about them. And now, because of

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Speaker 1: what's going on, I made it a virtual platform where

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Speaker 1: women can all ask me questions. I can interview people,

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02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:31,480
Speaker 1: and I can help women on how to help themselves

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02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:34,000
Speaker 1: through this platform. But I did not forget the men

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Speaker 1: because a lot of men are struggling with this same problem.

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Speaker 1: So I've also um and gonna be showing men on

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Speaker 1: how to groom their beers after a color their beers

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Speaker 1: because a lot of them say, well, you know, you

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02:25:46,480 --> 02:25:48,800
Speaker 1: know they want to color them, but they want to

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Speaker 1: do it, and they want to be able to do it,

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Speaker 1: and they want to be able to still keep a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the gray in there, but it's doing

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Speaker 1: you look realistic. And then also how you know we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be friends for a long time, Derek. I'm just

2774
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Speaker 1: so you know, just just call on me, let me

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Speaker 1: know when it is you want to be a guinea pig,

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Speaker 1: and after we will literally go through and I was

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Speaker 1: demonstrate using you as a model where you are on

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Speaker 1: how you can go about trimming your beer. That's a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, I clean mind up today to make

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Speaker 1: sure I look good. You know, you got by five

2781
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Speaker 1: these compliments from me, so you know you're looking good.

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Speaker 1: He's known as the makeup Maestro Celebrity Makeup is the

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Speaker 1: man behind the face of some of the most photographed

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Speaker 1: women in the world, including Oprah, Michelle Obama, You Love

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Speaker 1: the Adam Shaker, conn and Moore. Here's a the Derek

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Speaker 1: listed in the December twenty issue of Old, the Oprah

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Speaker 1: Magazine and Oprah mag dot com. Derek, thanks for coming

2789
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Speaker 1: on the show. Thank you so much for having me here.

2790
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Speaker 1: And you don't understand how how happy I was here

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Speaker 1: to be a part of your collection of celebrities that

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Speaker 1: you work with, and then and to be it amongst

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Speaker 1: all those people already touched merepreneur. But I just want

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Speaker 1: to let you know that you know, you're just a

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Speaker 1: gifted guy, and you're such a humble guy. Sometimes when

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Speaker 1: I when I invite guests like you on the show,

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Speaker 1: I gotta let you know you're here because you're hard work.

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Speaker 1: You're here because your resume tells you you belong to

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Speaker 1: be here. You've blown here, and so keep keep that

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Speaker 1: home on this because I've learned to be humble sometimes

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Speaker 1: jumping out there trying to get in front of the line.

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Speaker 1: Ain't the line you want to be in and not?

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Speaker 1: And I learned I had a mother that that took

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Speaker 1: me and my family. My mother and father make sure

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Speaker 1: we're in church every weekend. The one thing I learned

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Speaker 1: is you you let your good work speak for your themselves.

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Speaker 1: You you have let other people speak of your good work.

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Speaker 1: So I don't tell people how good I am and

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Speaker 1: what I can do. I let what I do show

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Speaker 1: what I can do, and other people tell other people

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Speaker 1: about me. And that's how I've gotten You know, have

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Speaker 1: gone so parties, the energy, that's that's what you got

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Speaker 1: on my show. You know what I'm saying. I knew

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Speaker 1: about you. Then they brought up in our meet I

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Speaker 1: telling me, they said, what about Derek Rugley. I say,

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Speaker 1: that's my man. Uh, you learned out because you're like else.

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Speaker 1: She she comes on my show every year. She's my

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Speaker 1: she's my emotional check up. She comes in and and

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Speaker 1: she's every down and needs to need need to check

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Speaker 1: in or need to check up, or need somebody to

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Speaker 1: push me. I called you right snapsy right back, and

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Speaker 1: the change does my friend? I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming on the show. We're gonna talk to you,

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Speaker 1: and then tell them to send some of the links

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Speaker 1: it in my newsletter. Okay, I sure will. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Derek, appreciate you. Thank you, and take everybody

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Speaker 1: back there, all right there, thank you. I love me.

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