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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we know it's important to

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Speaker 1: not let the man leave the building.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with my

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Speaker 1: friends Jordan Rodrieg and Colleen Wolfe making all sorts of gestures.

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Speaker 3: No to self, don't let the man leave the building.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the building. That's what I've learned in this

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Speaker 2: coaching search.

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Speaker 1: If you really want to hire someone, you just just

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Speaker 1: don't let them leave. We heard that like Atlanta, Kevin

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Speaker 1: Stefanski got there, they didn't let him, well, they didn't

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Speaker 1: let him leave the building, but then he went to

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Speaker 1: Arthur Blank's house and Arthur Blank cooked steaks for him, apparently,

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Speaker 1: and then Jeff Hafley Dolphins didn't want to didn't let

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Speaker 1: him leave the building. Robert Sala he actually tried to

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Speaker 1: leave the building, but they just locked it everywhere and

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Speaker 1: it turned into this weird sort of sort of horror movie.

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Speaker 2: But eventually they hired him.

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Speaker 4: He didn't just cook steaks for him.

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Speaker 3: Joe Thomas, they oh way, seriously.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a joke. I think Jo the

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Speaker 2: promo code.

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Speaker 3: Tom said he was joking about being a part of

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Speaker 3: the coaching staff. I don't know that he was joking. Yea,

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Speaker 3: And we have a promo code if you're interesting a.

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Speaker 4: Wolf twenty everybody.

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Speaker 5: I feel like they need to basically take take the

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Speaker 5: coaching candidate's phones. Yes, when they come in the building

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Speaker 5: sort of like a like a concert or a comedy

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Speaker 5: show or something like that, and then they won't be

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Speaker 5: able to leave because you can't go anywhere without your phone.

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Speaker 4: Right, Greg, where's your phone? Right now?

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Speaker 1: It's right in my pocket? And is it not it?

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Speaker 1: Someone took it?

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Speaker 2: Greg? You have it?

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Speaker 4: Found your phone out in the hallway revealed right here?

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Speaker 1: Well, who had said? Who would steal permanently? With such

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Speaker 1: a lovely family?

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Speaker 4: I was late. I can get my text, Bob. Is

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Speaker 4: that your phone?

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Speaker 5: We're just at the literally at the water cooler talking

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Speaker 5: and he picks it.

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Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, oh my god, wait no, this is.

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Speaker 1: Greg say, well, you know important, I was making some coffee.

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of shows before, you know, I

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Speaker 1: guess I just left it out by the coffee maker.

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Speaker 2: We are going to talk those head coach hirings the show.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of news, we got coaches hiring,

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Speaker 1: but we also have an off season look Ahead. It

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Speaker 1: was kind of bothering me mentioning I've been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of shows lately, Daniel Jeremiah, one of my foremost

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Speaker 1: frenemies on Earth. We've been looking at every single team

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Speaker 1: that's eliminated from playoff contention and kind of breaking down

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Speaker 1: like what they need to do big picture this off season,

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Speaker 1: free agency.

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Speaker 2: All that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I realized because we did the NFC last week,

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Speaker 1: we never hit the forty nine Ers and Bears, and

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Speaker 1: that really bothered me because these teams are important and

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Speaker 1: they just lost.

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Speaker 2: So we're actually going to do a little off season.

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Speaker 1: Look ahead for the forty nine Ers and Bears, and

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Speaker 1: then at the end of the show, you know we're

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Speaker 1: getting close to the off season because we're going to

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Speaker 1: do a little recommendation station and find out what Colleen

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Speaker 1: Wolf and Jordan Rude good Ones are. I'm vibing, although

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Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know if Jordan is Are

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Speaker 1: you doing anything?

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Speaker 2: You got anything? I feel like you're just flying around.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll hear a little bit about what it was

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Speaker 1: like to be at an epic Bears game as well to.

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Speaker 5: Powering on down there staring at a wall sounds awesome.

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Speaker 4: That's my recommendation.

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Speaker 1: We are exactly two weeks from leaving for San Francisco

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Speaker 1: and eventually Santa Clara later in that week for the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But we have a lot of head coach hirings.

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Speaker 1: Robert Salo, let's start with him. It comes out late

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night, even late on the West Coast, that he

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Speaker 1: but I did find it interesting how this all went down.

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Speaker 1: Reports that he was meeting with the Cardinals, was a

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Speaker 1: did what three teams before them did to them. They

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Speaker 1: In all the three hirings that we've already covered on

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Speaker 2: I guess it was half because that was before.

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Speaker 1: We haven't covered that on the show, but that was

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Speaker 1: before this, and they made sure that that Robert Sala

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Speaker 2: They weren't going to come in second place anymore.

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Speaker 5: I feel like a has some micro abl vibes this hiring,

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Speaker 5: and I don't know if that's just because it's like too.

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Speaker 4: The one that got away from them dudes, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: But the number one question is going to be who

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Speaker 5: he hires as his offensive coordinator to develop camp ward

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Speaker 5: and day by day these offensive coordinators are getting snatched

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Speaker 5: up because so many people are not letting them out

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Speaker 5: it would be interesting if I mean Brian Dable obviously,

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Speaker 5: if he doesn't go for Bill's head coaching job or

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Speaker 5: the OC job in Philadelphia, maybe that could be a

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Speaker 5: situation obviously Cliff Kingsbury or Mike McDaniel. But the thing

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Speaker 5: that I'm most excited about, like that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm most excited about is the games between

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Speaker 5: the Titans and the Jags and a chance to see

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Speaker 5: Robert Salah and Liam Cohen same field.

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Speaker 4: Again after going at it on the field.

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Speaker 5: Before and accusations of signs, stealing and everything else.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I'm glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 1: We do have some sound of Liam Cohen and Robert

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Speaker 1: Sala's interaction on the field for you, Colleen, A little

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Speaker 1: surprise from back in week four.

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Speaker 3: Earlier.

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Speaker 2: Got some coaches hold me back.

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Speaker 1: So we can't really hear them there, but if you're watching,

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Speaker 1: you see them yelling at each other. Though Liam Cohen,

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Speaker 1: you know, yells from a far distance before getting taken away.

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Speaker 1: And the clip included Liam Cohen saying, keep my name

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Speaker 1: and which I think they made a misstep there. Salah's response,

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Speaker 1: because it felt like Liam Cohen's, you know, saying, was

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Speaker 1: a little planned. Salah's response, out of nowhere, not expecting

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Speaker 1: You don't want to bleep with me, I will bleeping

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Speaker 1: and your bleeping life.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 1: It actually hurts me to even say bleeping there instead

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Speaker 1: of the actual words, because that is just quite a

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Speaker 1: moment there by Robert Salad, Now we get him twice

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Speaker 3: Yes, and and Robert Sala who was uh a runner up,

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Speaker 3: if not the runner up, for the Jacksonville Jaguars head

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Speaker 3: coaching job. Listen, here's the thing, guys, it all comes

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Speaker 3: back to this. This take for me. We need real

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Speaker 3: hate in coaching.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do this.

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Speaker 3: We're getting the rejuvenation of these rivalries with Ben Johnson

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Speaker 3: and the and the tree, right and and and then

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Speaker 3: we're seeing this with Robert Salah and Liam Cohen, which

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Speaker 3: again it's there's so many layers between the tree and

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Speaker 3: the rivalries within there shoots. Yeah, and it's the saplings,

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Speaker 3: if you will. And it's and it's so fun to

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Speaker 3: me that we get this because coaches are themselves a

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Speaker 3: brand in ways that we have really not seen predominantly

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Speaker 3: across the league. You've seen outliers over time, right, especially

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Speaker 3: legendary outliers or maybe the quirkier coaches who do win games. Now,

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Speaker 3: you are a brand.

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Speaker 4: You are and a lot of.

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Speaker 3: These guys are playing right into that and being like

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Speaker 3: the real hate guy on the team. And I love that.

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Speaker 3: I think that's good for the sport. I think it's

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Speaker 3: for the league. I think it is fantastic, especially seeing

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Speaker 4: How they all interact and a lot of them have

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Speaker 4: the same friends and all this stuff but combines coming

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Speaker 4: I think this is great for the sport.

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Speaker 3: I think it is the irony of Tennessee going after

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Speaker 3: Robert Sala, who I think is a great coach, has

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Speaker 3: been a great defensive coordinator, had several missteps as a coach,

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Speaker 3: and obviously organizational infrastructure in New York was it was

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Speaker 3: a mess as well. But I love this because the

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Speaker 3: irony is clear to me that they could never get

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Speaker 3: Mike Rabel again, so they bring a personality type of

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Speaker 3: a Mike Rabel person That was what the report.

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Speaker 1: Said too, that Amy Adams Strunk was kind of looking

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Speaker 4: You had the original. She has a type.

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Speaker 3: Is also you'll appreciate this too, great because I know

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Speaker 3: you like looking at the layers on all of these things.

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Speaker 3: Is like, there was also reporting that like, oh, Amy

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Speaker 3: this was Borgonzi who made the hire, and he did

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Speaker 2: I want to get specific on that, yea.

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Speaker 1: So the you know, scuttle butt was that this was

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Speaker 1: going to be Matt Naggie's job.

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Speaker 2: Matt Naggie worked with Borganzi in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people believe that throughout when it comes

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Speaker 1: out that Robert Sally gets the job, and Naggie and

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Speaker 1: Salad were literally the only two that that met in

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Speaker 1: person with the Titans. In fact, Naggie was in the

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Speaker 1: building earlier in the same day they let him out

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Speaker 1: of the building. Wow, and then they brought Salad in

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Speaker 1: and to be fit they maybe even the timing of it,

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Speaker 5: It's like trouble booking is dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Because I can kind of imagine like sala saying like,

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Speaker 1: I'll bleep your world up too. I will uh, don't

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Speaker 1: don't quit me off end your life life. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe he said that. That's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, it's aggressive like so much.

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Speaker 5: It's like if you if you pull a prank on

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Speaker 5: someone and then they come back and actually like beat

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Speaker 5: the strip out of you, and it's like whoa that

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Speaker 5: was an over correction.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Because I want to get back to the reporting, but

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Speaker 1: it has stuck in my head ever since I heard

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Speaker 1: Bomani Jones talk about that Liam Cohen like he was.

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Speaker 1: He got so surprised that Liam Cohen turned out to

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Speaker 1: be such a great coach because between that and the duval,

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Speaker 1: he just thought Liam Cohen was too corny, too corny

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Speaker 1: to work.

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Speaker 2: And it is true.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you look you can really learn that

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Speaker 1: you're not a guy to say keep my name out

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Speaker 1: your mouth, like keep my name out your believing up.

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Speaker 2: Until you say it.

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Speaker 4: But it's gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we actually have.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan was asked about Klay Kubiak potentially becoming someone

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Speaker 5: So he's our office coordinator, So I don't know why

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Speaker 1: So we'll find out who is the Dolphins' starting quarterback

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Speaker 1: Jeff Haffley was a head coach at Boston College. Everyone's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what you hear about, like what John Eric Sullivan

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Speaker 3: Sullivan has watched for twenty years people come and go

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Speaker 1: The reporting from Albert Breer was Matt Lafleur's influence was

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Speaker 1: And it is funny because I'm just thinking, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's just all messy.

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Speaker 4: But I with Halfley, you hear about EQ with players.

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Speaker 4: A little bit better.

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Speaker 1: our friend Andrew Hawkins. Although you know it was on offense.

444
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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I'm not staff. So is Mike McDaniel.

445
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 4: I was a wildcard too.

446
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: He was on Ship Kelly's forty nine ers staff and

447
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: then stayed for Kyle Shanahan's the next year. The Packers

448
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: were really relying on turnovers. It's interesting to think about

449
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 1: their free agents because sometimes you know they're they could

450
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 1: jump over on defense. Kway Walker and Igbari are both

451
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: free agents, so maybe they will hop over to Miami.

452
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 1: And then Malik willis a guy he got to be

453
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: in the same building with, has been kind of connected

454
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Speaker 1: even before this all happened to the Dolphins as a

455
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Speaker 1: possible replacement, so that would be interesting. Let's get to

456
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Speaker 1: New York where John Harbaugh had his introductory presser.

457
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Speaker 4: Say the Bills job just opened.

458
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Speaker 2: No, he did not. I didn't know what gosh.

459
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Speaker 3: I sorry, we're swearing a lot today. We're giving you, guys.

460
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 2: Eric a lot of.

461
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Speaker 1: Let's actually listen to John Harbaugh answer a question of

462
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Speaker 1: when he heard from from his original mentor in the

463
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Speaker 1: NFL Andy read and he's a man.

464
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Speaker 6: A few words and his his his his four words

465
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Speaker 6: to me were change can be good. That's what he said,

466
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 6: James can be good. And uh, he was. He was excited.

467
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 6: He's he's fired up for us. He's a good friend.

468
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 6: And yeah, we'll try to do how about we do this.

469
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Speaker 6: How about we we deal that right now. We'll take

470
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Speaker 6: We'll sign up for that deal right now. What he

471
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Speaker 6: did in Kansas City, Let's do that.

472
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Speaker 2: I watched this entire press conference.

473
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Speaker 3: The Joe Thomas Joe Thomas for instakes, Yes, Hall of

474
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Speaker 3: Fame beef, just send him Patrick Mahomes.

475
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Speaker 1: He did talk very glowingly about his quarterback, Jackson Dart

476
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Speaker 1: and said he had done a lot of She said

477
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: his dad even was watching all the Giants tape and

478
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: was noting how they really controlled the line of scrimmage.

479
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: He thought on both sides of the ball, and noted

480
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Speaker 1: how good the offensive line was which I think was

481
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: a good note from Papa Harbaugh there because their offensive

482
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Speaker 1: line was quite underrated last year. And I thought the

483
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: stagecraft of the press conference was fascinating. Joe Shane starts

484
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: the press conference, so it's usually ownership. Now John Mara,

485
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Speaker 1: who was, you know, the controlling owner along with Steve Tish,

486
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: but he's the you know, the face of it. He's

487
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: has a cancer battle right now and so that clearly

488
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: is part of it. His brother Chris Mara, was really

489
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: involved in this whole search, and he spoke to the

490
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Speaker 1: media eventually afterwards and said he's been doing a lot,

491
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Speaker 1: but it was really interesting to have Joe Shane up

492
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Speaker 1: there introducing John Harbaugh. And then you know, if you're

493
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Speaker 1: watching us on YouTube, you can see that the pictures

494
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Speaker 1: that they take afterwards, you know, usually again it's with ownership,

495
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: and they made sure to have Joe Shane smiling up

496
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: there the GM with John Harbo.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like and look at if you're just doing

498
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, a little they're both holding the helmet.

499
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 4: Now, who's holding more of the helmet is my question.

500
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Speaker 1: I think it's Joe Shane, but that's because he needs

501
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: to because John knows he's really holding the juice in

502
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Speaker 1: the organization. It took a minute, but eventually John Harbaugh

503
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Speaker 1: was asked about the structure of him now reporting to

504
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Speaker 1: ownership directly instead of Joe Shane, and ultimately John Harbaugh

505
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Speaker 1: has the final say on personnel.

506
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Speaker 2: And big football matters.

507
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Speaker 6: To me, it's really not that important in the big picture,

508
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Speaker 6: in the big scheme of things. I think it's kind

509
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Speaker 6: of over you know, overblown just a little bit in

510
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 6: terms of how it works. But the main thing is

511
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Speaker 6: that it works, you know, and that we work together.

512
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Speaker 6: That's what matters. So that's kind of what I was

513
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 6: used to, and it felt like a good way to

514
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 6: kind of start off. And I think mister Marra was

515
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Speaker 6: happy about that. It seemed like a make sense and

516
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 6: I'm just happy. But I don't think it really matters.

517
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 6: I think we're all going to work together and I

518
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 6: promise you we all report to the boss, right.

519
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: I just love him saying it doesn't really matter, when

520
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: extremely credible reporters, including Ian O'Connor at The Athletic has

521
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: it down that John Harbaugh himself sent a shrug emoji

522
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: to Ean O'Connor saying, are you still sure you're going

523
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: to be the Giant, said coach. This is Saturday morning over,

524
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, forty eight hours after more than that, after

525
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Speaker 1: all the reporting that he was taking this job with

526
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Speaker 1: the basically primary, if not only problem that they had

527
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: in terms of already up the contract was that he

528
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to be reporting to Joe Shane. So I

529
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: just find it fascinating that he's up there.

530
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's it, it's all. That's funny you bring that up.

531
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Speaker 2: That's not an issue at all.

532
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: And then they have Joe Shane talked to the media

533
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: after and said the things. He's like, oh, it doesn't

534
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 1: matter at all. It almost completely blew up this one

535
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: hundred million deal.

536
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: Buddy. It's fine, yeah, and.

537
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 4: The biggest, the biggest move.

538
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: The Giants have made in years, and you know, perceived

539
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: belve the coaching ball. And we'll see how it goes.

540
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: Because if that's how things are starting, which is everything's fine,

541
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: we're all having fun here, we're all easy, easy.

542
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm breezy up at the podium kind of a thing.

543
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: But then there's these little moments, a little comment at

544
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: the media, little things. There's been some some rumbling concerns

545
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting to watch. And things are

546
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: going great now they had a big win in New York.

547
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: But what happens when it's actually time to shift power dynamics,

548
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: because mark my words, it will be maybe sooner than

549
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: later soon time to shift power dynamics there, and then

550
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: we'll really.

551
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Speaker 1: See I think every I think between him and Joshane,

552
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: they know, like he's just running everything, and and Elliott Wolf,

553
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: I think is a good comp in New England, where

554
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: like he's still doing press conferences and stuff, but Mike

555
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: Rabel is in charge of everything and and Elliot Wolf

556
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: is one of the people working for him. And that's

557
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: that's basically I think what's happening. And John Harbo's the man.

558
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: And I think that John Harball has kind of earned

559
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 5: that too. Eric yes with yes, and you're in the league,

560
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 5: like dude knows Ball. Of course, you don't want a

561
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 5: brand new, first time head coach that maybe hasn't even

562
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 5: called plays or anything like that before coming in and

563
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 5: then having like.

564
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: Full roster control. It almost feels like that's too much.

565
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 5: But for an established head coach that has done this

566
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 5: time and time again, that has to be a stipulation

567
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: because if they have someone that they were not brought

568
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 5: in with and then it's an arranged marriage.

569
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: That's that seems like it is inrouble.

570
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: In any of these overhang GM scenarios, something has to

571
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: give if the GM is keeping their job, and a

572
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: real deal head coach and I hate this term, but

573
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: like an alpha head coach comes in like something has

574
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: to give on the GM front. You saw it just

575
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 3: happened successfully, might I add in Chicago, And you saw

576
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: it happen almost ten years ago in Los Angeles, and

577
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: like this, this is one of these things where that

578
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: dynamic is so much more important than these guys are

579
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: up there talking about in public, right, And that's what

580
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: I say, Like John Harbaugh, the thing that the criticism

581
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: that I think is fair for Joe Shane, and he's

582
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: taken a lot of heat, certainly, I think the fair

583
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: criticism is that he has, yes, drafted talent, and he's

584
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: drafted guys with really good traits, but all together as

585
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: a collective, like it just doesn't work. There has to

586
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: be an actual identity for a team to not just

587
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: go out and get guys who are perceived to be

588
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: really really good football players, but how does that person

589
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: actually fit into a larger plan of your roster. And

590
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: that's where John Harbaugh I think is really quite gifted

591
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: as a team builder, and where he doesn't bring you

592
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: an edge offensively or defensively, and maybe not even special

593
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: teams anymore at this point. At the same time, he

594
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: does understand how to build an actual team and how

595
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: to identify qualities an actual team, and that's where I think, yeah,

596
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: he better be in charge of that, right.

597
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to be a situation.

598
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: They were showing the Sean McDermott introductory press conference photos

599
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: this week because it was so long ago.

600
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: He's so much younger.

601
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: You know, now, since where did you find the photos

602
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: that you used for for the podcast share?

603
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: Because because you had you had had good.

604
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: I had a good Sean McDermott. I don't know.

605
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: I just remember seeing him in like a model shot

606
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: and I was just like, that's funny. I'm going to

607
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: save and keep it save for some day. No, it

608
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: was from It was in the long game last off season.

609
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: It paid off in a big way. If you want

610
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: to see Sean U styling. But like I completely now

611
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: forget whatever I.

612
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 5: Was going to talk about holding about Sean mc just

613
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 5: going to say that John Harball and Jackson Dart that

614
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 5: feels like a nice marriage between the two of them

615
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 5: because of the way that John Harball just is the

616
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 5: way like he seems like a Northeast kind of guy.

617
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: And I don't know if that means anything to anyone else,

618
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 5: but it's it's just like some one who is going

619
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: to be totally straight with want and frank with you.

620
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 5: And I feel like that's what Jackson Dart kind of needs.

621
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Speaker 4: And I just think it's going to be a really

622
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: good match.

623
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Speaker 1: And I think he'll have some fun maybe mixing it

624
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: up with the me It might not be like fun

625
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: might be the wrong word, but yeah, you could tell

626
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: Harbaugh right off the bat was like this is different,

627
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: like this is very New York, and you know he's

628
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: talking about like just how many people are there and

629
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: how much he wanted this job. I believe that, I

630
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: actually do believe that this was the job he wanted

631
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: all along.

632
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: He says his agent really wanted.

633
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: It too, and yeah, it was just funny when he's

634
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: asked about Shane and he used the word I expect

635
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: our relationship to be phenomenally great.

636
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: It's going to be incredible that's what he said.

637
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, Like this is when you talk about

638
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: like the Northeastern thing. This is the thing where I

639
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: laugh because with there's always that thing with him and

640
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: Lamar where he wouldn't seem to know like what the

641
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: injury was or what was going on with the quarterback

642
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: or whatever, or they were on different pages. It's like, oh,

643
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: we don't talk about that, you know, like we're going

644
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: to everything's fine. You know, we don't talk about that

645
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: at the family dinner table, like everything's fine. It's just

646
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: like very much that vibe.

647
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break.

648
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, I was thinking of that that

649
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Bill's press conference where it's very similarly. They had a

650
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: GM help introduce Sean McDermott. Back then, Doug Whaley was

651
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: the name, and at the time they were insisting he

652
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: was going to be a big part of their future

653
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: and they fired.

654
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: Him in May.

655
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen with Joe Shane. I

656
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: think he's going to be there. They wouldn't have gone

657
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: so hard in the paint just to fire him in May.

658
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: But it is the John Harbaugh Show in New York,

659
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: and it's going to be fascinating to watch, and I

660
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: agree with Harbaugh and his dad's assessment that there's a

661
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Speaker 1: lot of good football players there. This does not need

662
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Speaker 1: to be a rebuild. He kind of set the expectations

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Speaker 1: that they can win right away. Let's take a break,

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Speaker 1: wrap up the news, and then we'll do our off

665
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Speaker 1: season look aheads and recommendation station back on NFL Daily,

666
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Speaker 1: few odds and ends here. Chiefs expected to hire Eric B.

667
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Enemy as offensive coordinator, which is an interesting return. He

668
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: was he was the guy during their best offensive days.

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Speaker 1: I found it interesting too that they kind of just

670
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Speaker 1: let Matt Naggy walk. That's a little worry, sim I

671
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Speaker 1: guess if you were thinking about hiring Matt Naggy. But

672
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's going to be a finalist

673
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: anywhere else. But you hear a lot of players talk

674
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Speaker 1: about like how important Eric B. Enemy was to them

675
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Speaker 1: in terms of like the details and kind of being

676
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Speaker 1: maybe you know, if Andy Reid is like the nice guy,

677
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: that he's maybe like the strict teacher, and that that

678
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: combination helped make them great, and so Reid wanted Eric B.

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Speaker 2: Enemy back.

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Speaker 4: He's back. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I when I first saw it, I had to double

682
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Speaker 5: check to make sure that I was actually like, I

683
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: had to reet it a couple times, like.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, that's great.

685
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Speaker 5: But it is very interesting letting go of Matt Naggy,

686
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Speaker 5: especially with the history and the relationships that were already

687
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Speaker 5: in place with Andy Reid and Matt Naggie.

688
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: They spent a lot of time together.

689
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Speaker 5: So for Andy Reid to then bring back Eric Beenemy.

690
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Speaker 4: The players absolutely love.

691
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 5: This guy, and that's when they experienced their success. So listen,

692
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 5: let's run it back. Let's see if this works.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it went really far too under the radar

695
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Speaker 3: that he was in working with Ben Johnson, the architect

696
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: of Kyle Manungai and DeAndre Swift's resurgence, and helped build

697
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: out that offensive line with the very meticulous vision that

698
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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson had for it. And we give Ben Johnson

699
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Speaker 3: rightfully a lot of credit, but Eric Enemy was the

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Speaker 3: engine behind a lot of that too.

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Speaker 1: And Travis Kelcey I remember him speaking about like Eric

702
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Speaker 1: Viennemy is the one that's like addressing the team for

703
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: the most part and is on the details. And I

704
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: heard more than a few people speculate during the seasons

705
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: like they really made him because they are not like

706
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Speaker 1: a disciplined football team now, and maybe bringing back the

707
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Speaker 1: enemy helps.

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Speaker 2: The Lions made their offensive.

709
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Speaker 1: Coordinator higher, Drew Petzig as offensive coordinator. I heard secondhand

710
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Speaker 1: that this didn't get like a lot of appreciation on

711
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Speaker 1: the social which surprises me because I feel like Petsig

712
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: is kind of a favorite of the x's and o's set.

713
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Speaker 1: I think he did a pretty good job in Arizona

714
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Speaker 1: until last season. Cardinals fans feel less so about it.

715
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Speaker 1: But there's some connective tissue between him and the offensive

716
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: line coach Hank Freeley, and so you already know going

717
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: in they have.

718
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Speaker 2: A relationship that can work out well together.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely love this because and I've been, you guys know,

720
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Speaker 3: maybe to a fault. I've been really high on Drew

721
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: Petzig all year for multiple years at this point. This

722
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: is a dream come true for the play action passing

723
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: game that Jared Goff loves to run that they really

724
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Speaker 3: want to continue and revitalize there in Detroit. This is

725
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 3: a dream come true in partnership with that offensive line

726
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: getting them back to playing at their standard. And this

727
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: is a dream come true for the tight ends group

728
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: as well, for Sam Laporta to continue to emerge as

729
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: one of the better tight ends in the league. We

730
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Speaker 3: saw what Drew Petsing did when he funneled this offense

731
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Speaker 3: through Trey McBride. I think that you also look at

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Speaker 3: aman Ras Saint Brown as.

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Speaker 4: That f player as well.

734
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Speaker 3: That is sort of that hybrid in the Kubiak system

735
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Speaker 3: where you are basically both a receiver and a tight

736
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Speaker 3: end and you're playing predominantly out of the slot. You're

737
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Speaker 3: looking at the offense funneling through that player as well

738
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Speaker 3: as the tight end position. I could not love this

739
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: more as a fit for the Lions, and I think

740
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Speaker 3: subtly one of the more underrated elements to this hire

741
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Speaker 3: is Dan Campbell does not have to be as in

742
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Speaker 3: the weeds in this offense. When you have somebody as

743
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Speaker 3: experienced as Drew Petson coming in to run the show,

744
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Speaker 3: you're not going to have to worry about the things

745
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: that were very clearly a strain on Dan Campbell when

746
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: he took over play calling from John Morton. By the

747
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: end of the year, I think this is a phenomenal higher.

748
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Speaker 4: And Petsying he was.

749
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Speaker 5: I'm excited to see him coach against the Bears and

750
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson considering they were together at Boston College and

751
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: Petsing was a groomsman in Ben Johnson's wedding.

752
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: Look at this connected going deep on the research. I

753
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm checking out like the efficiency the DVOA

754
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: rankings of Petsng in Arizona twenty first this first year, eleventh,

755
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: second year, and then last year fell off a bit.

756
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: Of a cliff.

757
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and you have to think too well. Basically,

758
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: their first four running backs got hurt. They had a

759
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: little bit of a mess at times on the interior

760
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: of that offensive line. Two different quarterbacks, one who clearly

761
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: fit better in that offense than the other, even though

762
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: the Kyler is a much more talented quarterback, and then

763
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: a real struggle trying to get all the receivers into

764
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Speaker 3: the mix. The way that I think Cardinals fans really

765
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: wanted Marvin Harrison Junior to have this offense funnel through him.

766
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: There was sort of a push and pull. Your most

767
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 3: productive play is your tight end. So the Drew Pettsing

768
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Speaker 3: out of the Kubik system is going to run the

769
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Speaker 3: offense through the tight end. It just wasn't congruous in

770
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: my opinion. Yeah, it didn't work this last season. And

771
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: he's landing in like a perfect spot.

772
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Speaker 1: Actually I wouldn't say perfect, because the offensive line needs

773
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: a lot of work and the expectations are sky high,

774
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: so he will get blamed if things don't go well.

775
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: Zach Sharbonnay unfortunately did not have a good week in

776
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Speaker 1: terms of the information on his knee. If you remember,

777
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Speaker 1: he left the Divisional round game against the forty nine

778
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: ers with a knee injury that after the game, Mike

779
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: McDonald said he didn't believe was too serious, but it

780
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: turned out to be a torn acl and so he

781
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: is now out obviously for the rest of the playoffs,

782
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: and Kenneth Walker Junior will have to take more of

783
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: the load and so we'll talk more about that on

784
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow's show previewing the NFC Championship. Just some odds it

785
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: ends before we move on to these look aheads. The

786
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Speaker 1: Foulkins have kef Jeff Ulbrook as their defensive coordinator. That

787
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: was that was rumored, but that's that's good to see.

788
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: And they also are hiring Bill Callahan as their offensive

789
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: line coach. Again that's rumored that had we brought that

790
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: up previously, but that is happening. Jay Glazer I thought

791
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: it was interesting said publicly, he that Mike Tomlins is

792
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: done with coaching. He's not going back really, and I

793
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: feel like Jay Lazer knows. I mean, you never know.

794
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin could always change his mind, but it also

795
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: seems like Mike Tomlin's not. If I was going to

796
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: believe that someone's not going to change his mind, it

797
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: would be Mike Timelin.

798
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: So maybe, uh.

799
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Speaker 3: I think that it would be a really cool thing

800
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: for Jay Glazer to get a TV teammate in Mike

801
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 3: Tomlin and have the highest possible contract possible for Mike Tomlin,

802
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: his friend, his longtime friend, and they're super close, So yes,

803
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: he would know, and then you know, have it be.

804
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: So leave a little wiggle room if Mike Tomlin gets

805
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: the itch again, Hey, who could blame him?

806
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: Right, He's getting that money regard wardless and they'll have

807
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: to put it into the contract obviously if he leaves,

808
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: and who knows, I assume that's the type of job

809
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: he wants.

810
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: Maybe the Amazon job. I don't know.

811
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Speaker 5: You can't tell me, Like in around Thanksgiving that he's

812
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 5: like and he's in a broadcast booth or he's in

813
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 5: a broadcast studio that a Thanksgiving. He's not like really

814
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 5: wanting to be on a field somewhere or.

815
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Speaker 4: Like I can do that better. Yeah, maybe it's gonna

816
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 4: be a lot of those.

817
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: Everyone's different.

818
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: He seemed like a coach that was that was pretty

819
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: burnt out from it, and some like, look, he's made

820
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: enough money to live on. It depends on what he's

821
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: going to value for the rest of his life, because

822
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: he's a relatively young man at least in terms of

823
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: coaching early fifties. The Saints resigned Julian Blackman, who's a

824
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: safety for them, solid veteran. The only reason I point

825
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: that out was like, I think that's the first like

826
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: veteran resigning of the offseason. So congratulations. The Saints are

827
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: just like, all right, we're free time, We're in the mix.

828
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: They have had a few weeks off. We have some

829
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: finalists for different jobs, Mike McDaniel, Jim Schwartz, Nate Schieldhouse,

830
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: Todd Monk, and Jesse Minter in Cleveland, the Ravens finalist.

831
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Speaker 1: And this is not a final list necessarily, but in

832
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: terms of their second interviews, it includes two of what

833
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: we're believed to be the known favorites. Anthony Weaver and

834
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Speaker 1: Jesse Minter. So far also includes the Bills offensive coordinator,

835
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Speaker 1: at least until this week, Joe Brady. Joe Brady's also

836
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Speaker 1: meeting with the Cardinals. So there's your little trip around

837
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Speaker 1: the league. And right as we were taping, the Packers

838
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: have released Trevon Diggs, opening up some cap space.

839
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Speaker 4: So that was hardly knew you.

840
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, what did you like best

841
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: about the Travon Diggs there in Green Bay?

842
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: You know what?

843
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: I actually went back and watched his snaps of that

844
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: first game because I was just curious he had a

845
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: good first game.

846
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Speaker 2: He actually I think he got that.

847
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Speaker 1: Like I'm out of Dallas, I'm trying harder now, a

848
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: thing that happens sometimes. Let's talk about the forty nine

849
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Ers and Bears. I wanted to just do a little

850
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: bit of a look ahead for the teams that are

851
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: are out. If you're a forty nine Ers fan, Colleen, and.

852
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 5: You're not, but thank you, thank you for starting there

853
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 5: that you did one, so nice of you.

854
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: You did ones take improv classes, right, I did.

855
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 5: And so this is like like ten years ago, yeah, yes,

856
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 5: I will yes, and.

857
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: And you didn't stick with it.

858
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Speaker 5: I don't have a whole lot of free time, okay

859
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 5: to classes. Well, so the problem is it's like six

860
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 5: weeks or so eight weeks and you can't miss any of.

861
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: The classes like uninterrupted.

862
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 5: So with our schedule like traveling, the only time to

863
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 5: ever do it is right after the combine.

864
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Speaker 1: So and then didn't like Banetta tried to get you

865
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: back into there. Maybe it was Tamposi like what you know, Yeah.

866
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 5: I signed up for a stand up class and then

867
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 5: I the fires broke out and canceled it.

868
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: And that was my only window. So who knows. Okay,

869
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 4: they'll come back around.

870
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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know why I am bringing this all up.

871
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cause you're you're trying to put yourself in

872
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: the mind of a forty nine Ers fan, And how

873
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: do you feel because overachieved this year? Annoyed you overachieved?

874
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: But you're in this division with these two behemoths. What

875
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: do you want to see this offseason from the.

876
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: Forty nine ers?

877
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 4: Some wide receivers?

878
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I would love that.

879
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 5: Don't really know where they stand with Juwan Jennings, who

880
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: is the who is a free agent? He led the

881
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: team with touchdowns obviously, the Brandon Ayuk.

882
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: Situation is a situation that is done.

883
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: It seems that divorce is happening, So they just don't

884
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 5: have any depth there they need obviously.

885
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I know that Christian McCaffrey.

886
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 5: Is a all over the place type guy, but.

887
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: They can crank him up to seven hundred touches next year.

888
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, why not.

889
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 5: He's fine, But they definitely need some something there, something

890
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 5: more than what they have in general. And then the

891
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 5: other big question is who's going to be their DC

892
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: after Robert Sahala left.

893
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

894
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: There, to me, their biggest need is going to be

895
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: pass rush. It's going to be continuing to juice up

896
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: this defense. They've got a couple of young guys. They

897
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: just didn't have enough players. Nick Bosa being hurt didn't help.

898
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: I don't think it's as simple as getting some of

899
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 3: these players back from injury. I think this is actually

900
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: the year if I'm looking at this particular team building

901
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: model that they're in, which other teams have done over

902
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: the years, Tampa Bay being one of them, as well

903
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: as the Los Angeles Rams. This year, now, after overachieving expectations,

904
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: becomes when you start to make some difficult decisions with

905
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: some of the quote unquote weight bearing walls on your roster.

906
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: Who are you less confident could come back fully from injury?

907
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: Who are you less confid who do you think it

908
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: will still contribute in a meaningful way as a weight

909
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: bearing wall within this infrastructure. And so I think that

910
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: those are some big questions obviously to answer there.

911
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I thought about that too, and then I looked and look,

912
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: they have thirty million dollars in cap space, pretty good,

913
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: and none of the guys that you would think, like

914
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: would they already think about moving on from Nick Bosa.

915
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: It's not going to help them financially at all. So

916
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: there's no reason to Williams. He's going to be allowed

917
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: to play as long as he wants to.

918
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: Get get and he wants to come back. Yeah, that

919
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: was what a big point I wanted to make. Yeah,

920
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: that's good. And so those are two that's not going

921
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: to happen. Kittle, They're going to wait for him to

922
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: come back from his achilles. It's not like they want

923
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: to move off from him. Same thing with like Fred

924
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: Warner is the only one that you could actually get

925
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: like a little bit of cap space, but you don't

926
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: need it.

927
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: So there's no reason to me to move on.

928
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: They're in a good space to push because there's not

929
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: actually a lot of dead weight on the roster.

930
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: This probably will not be popular with forty nine ers fans,

931
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: but I do feel that Nick Boso would be the

932
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: one that you consider.

933
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: Possibly, Like why if he's not going to save you

934
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: any money.

935
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked, because I was just about

936
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: to say that, Greg, because of draft picks. You need

937
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: draft picks, and you need draft picks to continue to

938
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: build out and develop areas of your roster that you

939
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: eventually will need to replace. Because I think with this

940
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: quarterback and with the offense that they have when healthy,

941
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: especially if Trent Williams and it sounds like he will

942
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: come back, you really could do this all over again.

943
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: But you need better players on defense. You need more

944
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: on defense. A healthy Fred Warner will help enormously with that.

945
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: But without Robert Sala you are overhauling now an entire

946
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: identity of that front structure. And you started doing it

947
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: a little bit last year with what they were doing

948
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: in the draft, and now you're going to continue doing that.

949
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 3: So you think about and this is not like I reporting,

950
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: this is just what smart teams. Do you think about

951
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: who is going to give me the maximum return to

952
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: replace if it is inevitable, who can I make it

953
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: immediate with and get a maximum return on said player

954
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: right now to help build out positions of need. It

955
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: does not sound logical to take a weakness and say, hey,

956
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: we're going to move on from our best player on

957
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: this along this defensive line, in this pass rush. No,

958
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: it does not sound good when I say it in

959
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: this phase of the calendar. But when it comes time

960
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: to actually restructure and like look ahead at to what

961
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: this identity of this young defense has to be. That

962
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: is something you look at. You're not going to get

963
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: a retirement like the Rams got from Aaron Donald.

964
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 5: They need to beef up offensive line for yeh, that's

965
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: like a number one priority.

966
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: They always kind of skate by on coaching and and

967
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: it just didn't work this year, Like they didn't run

968
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: the ball well and even the pass pro wasn't great

969
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: with Bosa unless they changed his contract.

970
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: You know, he's coming off an injury.

971
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: That would probably be like something where they have to

972
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: show his wares in training camp and by then, like

973
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: you're getting a draft pick. That's going to be the

974
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: same for twenty twenty six. They would take a pretty

975
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: big cap hit to have to trade him before a

976
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: free agency or anything like that, and he's coming off

977
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: such a serious injury that makes it tough to do.

978
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: But you never know, not not impossible.

979
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: I think they're I think fans that feel like they're

980
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: like way behind the Seahawks and rams like things change.

981
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Juan Jennings probably bond voyage, but you never know. Maybe

982
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: they'll bring him back. And yes, I'm glad you brought

983
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: up Brandon Ayu because they can avoid the guarantees in

984
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: his contract, so he is expected to be released.

985
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: You were in Chicago for that game? Was what was that? Like?

986
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Loveland the Loveland touchdown that moment.

987
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So the fourth and four, everybody is sort

988
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: of thinking like nobody has left their seats right in

989
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 3: the press box, and normally you go down, even in

990
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: a close game like that, you go down like a

991
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: minute early because you're gonna get stuck in the elevator

992
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: and then you might miss posting press conferences.

993
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: That entire media out.

994
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: There, they're so used to this happening, these late game

995
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: drives and these comebacks, that nobody left their seats and

996
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: when that moment happened, it was the absolute like I

997
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 3: thought that the atmosphere was going to blow off the planet,

998
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: like how loud it was, and just snow flying everywhere

999
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: and icicles flying off people's beards and hats and like

1000
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: it was craziness. It was just the coolest thing. I

1001
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: texted Greg all Caps, I can't believe I just got

1002
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: to see that in person. It's one of those things

1003
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 3: you never forget, you know. Overall with the with the Bears,

1004
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: like again you want to talk about overachieving expectations. I

1005
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: do think you saw where they are going to want

1006
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: to continue to build, and a lot of that's on

1007
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: defense because Dennis Allen used his defensive backs pretty much

1008
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: to their maximum capacity to manufacture every single positive play

1009
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 3: minus one or two from the interior defensive.

1010
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: Line in the pass rush and all of that.

1011
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: And I think that this it really shone a light

1012
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: on where the Bears need the most help, and that

1013
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: is upfront along their defensive line.

1014
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 5: I was just going to say, I'm still thinking about

1015
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 5: how you described the moment in the stadium with that touchdown,

1016
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: and to me, it almost feels like in pulp fiction

1017
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: where like the shot of adrenaline. Oh yeah, that's that's

1018
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 5: what that mimicked. It was crip felt like watching it.

1019
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: And it was you know what was so cool too,

1020
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: was and shout out to Bears fans cuz like they

1021
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: that whole city.

1022
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: I love being in a football town.

1023
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 3: And it was this combination of it was freezing cold

1024
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: and snowing and everybody still out in the street, like

1025
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: walking to this game at this iconic stadium and the

1026
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: lake is frozen and you can see it out the

1027
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: window of the back of the press box.

1028
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: How's the lake is frozen over?

1029
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: And the flags are blowing sideways and the people gave

1030
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams and the Bears a standing ovation even in

1031
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: a loss at the end.

1032
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: And it just was.

1033
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: It was a beautiful moment and I love it. And

1034
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: it was so fun being there through the playoffs because

1035
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: like I said, I love.

1036
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 4: Being in a football town.

1037
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: And even when I'm like out eating dinner at a

1038
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: restaurant down the street and the Bills game is on,

1039
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: like this fan base it was packed with Bears fans

1040
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: and they were living and dying with every snap.

1041
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: Wasn't even their team.

1042
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: They knew Matt Prater's field goal percentage on the season

1043
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: on his career.

1044
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 4: Like, I freaking love being.

1045
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: In a football town during that time of year, and

1046
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: they knew that the moment was there and they met it.

1047
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: And then you know, on the other side, when Matthew

1048
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: Stafford hits that play, it was I know it was

1049
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: a first down. When he hits that throat at Avante Adam,

1050
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: just the oxygen.

1051
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 4: Just just like it was like a black hole.

1052
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: It just imploded, like an absence of sound and absence

1053
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: of noise and it's like the creepiest vacuum ever.

1054
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 4: And it was the whole thing was incredible. I was lucky.

1055
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: I was very lucky to be there. It's why you

1056
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: do it. It's it's why you do it. It's it's

1057
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: a classic, and like that, that moment is gonna be remembered.

1058
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of an analog of like

1059
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: great moments in a losing effort that I remembered forever,

1060
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: and we were we were struggling with it, like like

1061
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: matt Ryan's throw to Julio Jones in the Super Bowl

1062
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: against the Patriots should have been remembered, but people actually

1063
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: don't remember that one that much because there's still a

1064
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: lot of time left.

1065
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: In the in the game.

1066
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: It's not a scoring play, it's it's it's not really

1067
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: that close to the Calebs play to Cole Comet. And

1068
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: if it's crazy because you think about Comet and DJ Moore,

1069
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: who both caught touching catches the classic touchdown and DJ

1070
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: Moore catches one earlier, and when I'm going through their

1071
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, situation in terms of the cap I'm thinking, well,

1072
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: those are two of the likely cuts. DJ Moore, I think,

1073
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: is a really strong candidate to get traded. He's doing

1074
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: twenty four million dollars guaranteed next year. His production doesn't

1075
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: match that. His role is easily kind of replaced by

1076
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: Luther Burden, and they can save sixteen million dollars by

1077
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: trading um.

1078
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 2: And I think he would have a market.

1079
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Comet is a little trickier, like you might want to

1080
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: keep Comet, you might, you might not. But he got

1081
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: that contract from a previous organ you know, regime. And

1082
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: at least in terms of Ben Johnson wasn't there. I know,

1083
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles was there. Dj Moore, you know, impacted that

1084
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: last interception by Caleb Williams. And it was interesting to

1085
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: listen to Caleb on Monday on that misfire.

1086
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 7: Being able to just give him the same page in

1087
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 7: those moments, and and it's you know, small things like

1088
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 7: that that that show up in those moments that you

1089
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 7: know you may not have talked about but been the

1090
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 7: same page or talk about it. You know, maybe week

1091
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 7: one or week six, it shows up and week you know,

1092
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 7: week week eighteen or whatever.

1093
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: Week we're in. I think that was kind of damning.

1094
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: He also said he hadn't really talked about it with

1095
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: DJ Moore yet. They're they're four million dollars over the cap,

1096
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: so they are not on a knife s edge or anything,

1097
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: but they got to make some decisions because they have

1098
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: some really key free agents. The best part of their

1099
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: defense by far was the secondary, and most of it

1100
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: is eligible for free agency. Kevin Byerd who had a great,

1101
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, rejuvenated season, Jakwan Brisker at safety, Nason Wright

1102
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: who had a great year turning the ball over, Chauncey

1103
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson, who somehow played seventy percent of the snaps

1104
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: for them this year.

1105
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that in the end.

1106
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: And so that's four key players in the secondary that

1107
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: that they'll try to bring back.

1108
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 5: Right and then on the other side of the ball,

1109
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 5: they'll have to replace Serh b enemy and what at

1110
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 5: this point then.

1111
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: And replaced CJ. Moore. They will need more weapons to

1112
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: and kolkomit if they got rid of them, right.

1113
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 5: That's true? I mean yeah, and you just mentioned the safeties.

1114
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 5: The safety room is like totally thin, especially if they

1115
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 5: aren't able to retain both of those guys. But I'm

1116
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 5: just wondering, like, what where do you then put the

1117
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 5: goals for Caleb Williams next season?

1118
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 4: What are the benchmarks that you're looking for?

1119
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 5: Because this whole year one with Ben Johnson and Caleb

1120
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 5: Williams was such a success. Then now where like the

1121
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 5: expectations are so high for them, And I love that

1122
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 5: for Chicago, but like, what what is fair? Where do

1123
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 5: you look for improvements?

1124
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1125
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: I like that question because it's a pretty impossible and

1126
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: yet all like exceedingly crucial thing for teams with a

1127
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 3: quarterback who's about to enter his third season, and then

1128
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 3: that's when you're really the season you're really starting to

1129
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 3: talk about do we extend him early, do we pick

1130
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: up the option?

1131
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: What is our what are our next steps with this quarterback?

1132
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 3: And for me, it's like, I never call the throws

1133
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 3: that he's able to make in these moments luck because

1134
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: there it takes skill, and I think it's like, oh

1135
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: my gosh, these these lucky moments, these outliers, Like no,

1136
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 3: that takes so much skill. But the thing with Caleb

1137
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: Williams is that you have to like even out the

1138
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 3: rest of it without losing the outliers that are positive.

1139
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: And it's a really impossible needle to thread, but if

1140
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: anyone can do it. You saw their partnership grow over

1141
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: the season, and Caleb really seems bought in to the process.

1142
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: With Ben Johnson, He's talked about that openly near the

1143
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 3: end of this season. You have to lift the floor

1144
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: with him because for every insane incredible moment you have

1145
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: at the end of these games, you also have some

1146
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: of the reasons why they are having to make insane

1147
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: incredible come from behind victories, and that being a multi

1148
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: turnover game certainly not all on Caleb at all, but

1149
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: that being a multi turnover game, I think you have

1150
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: to just even out some of the middle ground here

1151
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: to lift the floor of what of what he can do.

1152
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he ends up, you know, throwing for fifty two

1153
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: percent completion in the playoffs after being dead last in

1154
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: the regular season. So I think it's just a down

1155
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: to down consistency, Yeah, like figuring out the lamps. But

1156
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: I do think the last five six weeks of the

1157
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: season he was a transformed quarterback in terms of his

1158
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: decision making in general. And the five interceptions in the

1159
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: playoffs are pretty odd because you know, in two regular

1160
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: seasons he was he was not making mistakes.

1161
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: I think that's where film really tells more of the

1162
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: story here, Like you're like, you're implying Greg because it

1163
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 3: certainly wouldn't be on him and he doesn't.

1164
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: He doesn't make negative.

1165
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: Plays, he doesn't take bad sacks, he avoids pressure. He

1166
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: was I think the least sacked player in the quarterback

1167
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 3: in the playoffs and certainly followed suit from the from

1168
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 3: the regular season as well. So you know, I think

1169
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: it's just like he kind of said it right there

1170
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: at his press conference, getting that communication in those details

1171
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 3: down early with everybody, including himself.

1172
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 4: We'll see how far they go this next year.

1173
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: I feel great about our final quarter back Island selections. Caleb,

1174
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: that play really, you know, cemented Caleb. I think Trevor

1175
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: was ultimately a no brainer brock Purty like it ended

1176
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: in a tough fashion, but I think he did credit

1177
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: to the Island. I don't think there's any updates to

1178
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: the Island this year, you know, except.

1179
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: For that one Jordan Love fan who keeps posting at

1180
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 3: me Island is a fraud.

1181
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Jordan has a case. Jordan Love has

1182
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: a case. But ultimately, you got to make some tough decisions.

1183
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: I think the only candidate to possibly make it change

1184
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: is if if a surprising quarterback leads his team to

1185
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: a super Bowl in the next couple of weeks.

1186
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: And that's Jared'stidham recommendation station.

1187
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: Let's before we go, Colleen, give us something that you've

1188
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: enjoyed listening to, reading, watching what.

1189
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 4: You want both, okay, listening and reading.

1190
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 5: WHOA, Because I many years ago, like maybe fifteen years ago,

1191
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 5: I read this book called Getting Stoned with Savages by

1192
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 5: Jay Martin Truth, and I just decided to hit the

1193
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 5: reset button and.

1194
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 4: Do audio forum for it. So I just restarted last night.

1195
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 5: The book and it's such a fun book. It is,

1196
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: like it's basically a finding yourself type book, but it's

1197
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 5: done in a really fun self deprecating type way.

1198
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: And the main.

1199
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 5: Character is a guy who leaves this soul crushing corporate

1200
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 5: job to go and live in the islands of Fiji,

1201
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 5: and it's just all of the craziness that ensues after that.

1202
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 5: It's super fun. I would highly recommend it. It's a

1203
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 5: great vacation book too.

1204
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

1205
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like, so did you read his previous book?

1206
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 4: That's what that was a drop? I feel like I

1207
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 4: really high.

1208
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 5: Okay, not that I would know, but we were doing

1209
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 5: a bit and I said that about teams we were

1210
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 5: too high on or things that we were getting too

1211
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 5: high on in the off season.

1212
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 4: I want ESPN to know that.

1213
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: That was a great That book was written by a

1214
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: man whose previous book was The Sex Live of Cannibals.

1215
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, well.

1216
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 4: Because the islands that they go to.

1217
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know how to say it, but

1218
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 5: that's all I've ever said it.

1219
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 4: What is it?

1220
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 5: I think there was a history, way way way way

1221
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 5: back in the day of cannibalism, and so I think

1222
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 5: that's where that first book came from. But no, I

1223
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 5: highly recommend Getting Stoned with Savages.

1224
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it, Jordan.

1225
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 4: You're up, you say with trepidation.

1226
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: Now, across your paid now, I will not be helpful

1227
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 3: at all to this. What I could recommend people who

1228
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 3: might be feeling overwhelmed right now, or who might be

1229
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: feeling like it's all just a little too much, or

1230
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: like they're very, very tired and would like to sleep

1231
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: somewhere else that is not an airplane, to go and

1232
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: find a nice patch of grass somewhere in the sun.

1233
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 4: There's a lot if you can alive, right if you can.

1234
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: Or like go to maybe like some sort of a

1235
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: park or something, or try to be warm somewhere and

1236
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: or even like a heated seat in your car, like

1237
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: and just sit there and deep breaths in and deep

1238
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: breaths out. And if you're half, if you're lucky enough

1239
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: to be in grass, put your palms flat down on

1240
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: the grass, shut your eyes for a little.

1241
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 4: Bit, and just be there for just a second. That's

1242
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: what I would recommend it.

1243
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: In the silence, I like that recommendation. Patch of grass

1244
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: underrated and available.

1245
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: Different what Colleen was some areas, but finds some grass

1246
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: and literally touch it.

1247
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, it's beautiful, you know it's it's oscar.

1248
00:59:59,760 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: See.

1249
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: So I try to run through as many of the

1250
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: candidates that I can, although I still haven't seen Marty Supreme,

1251
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: which was like the one I've wanted to see the most,

1252
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: so I feel like this is an incomplete grade. But

1253
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: after seeing them all, I think I've landed on Sentimental

1254
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: Value as my favorite.

1255
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have heard of that one.

1256
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: Joachim Trier's book about this family like a famous movie

1257
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: director who has a strained relationship with his children and

1258
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: then wants to make a movie sort of about their

1259
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: lives involving one of his children who's an actress. We're

1260
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: not a Renzva I believe is going to be nominated

1261
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: for Best Actress and whatnot. But Sentimental Value would be

1262
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: the one that I would recommend.

1263
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: But no other choice.

1264
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: Was a lot of fun, Hamnett. I wouldn't say it

1265
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. I would recommend the book

1266
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: there more, but I thought it was really good. I

1267
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: do love me some Jesse Buckley, and she's I think

1268
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: the favorite for best Actress. So that's another good one

1269
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: out there, but that.

1270
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: Was my pick.

1271
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: It's a mental value, yes, and sorry babies on HBO

1272
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: Max that was pretty good too.

1273
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a movie in like years.

1274
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: I decided when my family was gone.

1275
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: Sat Grass is always available.

1276
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 5: Or an audio book getting Stoned with Savages.

1277
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: Audiobooks are underrated.

1278
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: I I am a you know, a reading addict. I

1279
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: would say in most books I read now, I like

1280
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: read seventy five eighty percent of it, and I listened

1281
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: to about, you know, fifteen to twenty percent of just

1282
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: when I'm on the go to like keep you know,

1283
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: just keep it going.

1284
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 5: And from like look at it screens and stuff all day.

1285
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: You just want to someone read me a bedtime story.

1286
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: I love that.

1287
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 4: Leave the building.

1288
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: And yeset Hamnet's an amazing book.

1289
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 4: It is an amazing book.

1290
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's say goodbye.

1291
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: We're going to be back on Wednesday for a big

1292
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: mega preview.

1293
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 4: I just wait for next Tuesday.

1294
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Colleen has come up.

1295
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: With from the Mind of Colleen Slash Interactive Experience. Guys,

1296
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: for all the listeners, we will see you next Tuesday

1297
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: with that one.