Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, I have doctor Suzanne Lachman
Speaker 1: joining us again to kind of unpack the Republican mush brain,
Speaker 1: which is what I'm going to refer to it as.
Speaker 1: And I can think of no better example of Republican
Speaker 1: mush brain. Then what is happening right now with the
Speaker 1: immigration bill? Right, So, for the last couple of months,
Speaker 1: supposedly Republicans and Democrats in the Senate have been concocting
Speaker 1: an immigration reform bill which is supposed to, you know,
Speaker 1: deal with the quote unquote crisis that we are experiencing
Speaker 1: around the country of an influx of migrants seeking asylum
Speaker 1: from countries that have been economically devastated, right, and have
Speaker 1: increased in violence. However, if you look inside of this bill,
Speaker 1: Republicans get everything that they want, right. No new protections
Speaker 1: from undocumented people being exploited, right, no real path to
Speaker 1: citizenship for those that are already here. They get their
Speaker 1: desire to quote unquote shut down the border when the
Speaker 1: number of those coming across have exceeded five thousand in
Speaker 1: the week, and you know, more money to build more
Speaker 1: walls and to do more things and have more security
Speaker 1: in all of these things.
Speaker 2: Right, Except.
Speaker 1: This is like a cornucopia of all of the things
Speaker 1: that Republicans have asked for. Democrats have completely greenlighted, and
Speaker 1: yet Republicans don't want it. And why don't they want it?
Speaker 1: Because Donald Trump told them not to want it? Because
Speaker 1: Donald Trump told Republicans that he does not want to
Speaker 1: bipartisan bill, particularly on immigration, passed during election year because
Speaker 1: then he won't be able to use it as a
Speaker 1: talking point. He doesn't want any progress to happen. He
Speaker 1: wants absolute chaos so that it can bolster his campaign.
Speaker 1: What the fuck kind of person is that Number one?
Speaker 2: Number two.
Speaker 1: When asked about this bill, which none of them have
Speaker 1: actually read in the House of Representatives, are already saying
Speaker 1: it's dead on arrival. A last dephonic has referred to
Speaker 1: it as the Biden Schumer Amnesty Bill or some bullshit
Speaker 1: like that. None of those things are actually in there,
Speaker 1: any of the things. The grievances that they are making
Speaker 1: up is exactly that. It's shit that they are making
Speaker 1: up to feed their base, because none of those things
Speaker 1: like open borders and just letting people flow in and
Speaker 1: no security and know nothing is a fucking lie. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because we don't operate in reality when
Speaker 1: dealing with Republicans anymore because of Republican mush brain. Up
Speaker 1: is down and down is up, and right is left
Speaker 1: and left is right. So how are you supposed to
Speaker 1: negotiate with people who have no allegiance to the true
Speaker 1: and or logic but only have allegiance to Donald Trump?
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 1: So I'm sick and tired of Democrats believing that they're
Speaker 1: going to get some compromise when the entirety of the
Speaker 1: House is made up of right wing white evangelical extremist
Speaker 1: domestic terrorists who want nothing more than destruction. So in
Speaker 1: order to get legislation passed and signed by the President,
Speaker 1: it needs to pass through both the Senate and the House.
Speaker 1: The Senate is where you kind of sort of still
Speaker 1: maybe have one or two grown ups, but those are
Speaker 1: the ones that are just, you know, prayerful that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump will continue to learn on the job, because apparently
Speaker 1: at seventy something years old, you know, they're still room
Speaker 1: for improvement there. Intellectually, I'm just so fucking sick and
Speaker 1: tired and so uh. Doctor Suzanne Lachman joins us to
Speaker 1: just unpack the crazy, and she says something that really
Speaker 1: does pique my interests, and I wonder if it will
Speaker 1: do the same for you.
Speaker 2: That interview is coming up next, folks.
Speaker 1: I am super happy to welcome back to wok F
Speaker 1: Daily psychologist, author and relationship expert Suzanne Lachman. Doctor Lochman,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to tell folks that you had
Speaker 1: recently seen me on on on MSNBC, UH talking about
Speaker 1: just some of the crazy and I you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not a doctor, so and I know that you although
Speaker 1: use that term, but some of the absolutely insane commentary
Speaker 1: conspiracies lies that are just consistently coming out of the right.
Speaker 1: Most recently, Charlie Kirk goes on a tirade about diversity,
Speaker 1: equity and inclusion, which he knows nothing about, but goes
Speaker 1: on a tirade about how he would never fly on
Speaker 1: a plane with black pilots and because are they even capable? Right,
Speaker 1: Because apparently the only capable pilots are those that are white,
Speaker 1: and if you see a black pilot then they must
Speaker 1: not have a degree at all. Or the skills set
Speaker 1: to even do the job right. That the only time
Speaker 1: that you see people of color, women, anyone who is
Speaker 1: not a white, straight male in positions of power or authority,
Speaker 1: they are simply there as just a token because they
Speaker 1: are underskilled, underperforming as general humans. You were outraged by
Speaker 1: it as I was talk to me about what is
Speaker 1: happening in the mind of this Republican party from your
Speaker 1: from your vantage point.
Speaker 3: Oh well, there are so many things happening. It's It's
Speaker 3: simple and yet complex at the same time. In terms
Speaker 3: of first of all, Donald J. Trump has given permission
Speaker 3: to everybody with an impulse control disorder.
Speaker 2: Ah mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Okay, because and up to this point, somehow he has
Speaker 3: managed to not get thrown in the slammer, which validates
Speaker 3: even more those who already follow him and see him
Speaker 3: as an icon. That's in fact, what I think actually
Speaker 3: does it is if he can get away with all
Speaker 3: of this right and nothing is as far as they
Speaker 3: can see, nothing significantly substantive for them has happened, yet
Speaker 3: they can still blame it on everybody else. Another piece
Speaker 3: of that, though, Danielle, is, is that these are people
Speaker 3: in general who are incapable of admitting that they're wrong. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we talked about.
Speaker 1: Let's let's I want to talk about two things that
Speaker 1: you brought up, impulse control being one, right, permission to
Speaker 1: people without impulse control. Is that something that is actually
Speaker 1: a real issue or is it something that again, like
Speaker 1: you said, Donald Trump has given people permission and as
Speaker 1: I have said many times on this show and others,
Speaker 1: permission to be their worst selves? Right, So is there
Speaker 1: an actual impulse control? I have these thoughts and I
Speaker 1: can't stop myself from putting that information back out into
Speaker 1: the universe. Or is it No, Donald Trump is is
Speaker 1: you know, hitting them in the in the ego or
Speaker 1: in the in the place that allows them to say, no,
Speaker 1: your worst self is your truest self. So let so
Speaker 1: let that out.
Speaker 3: It's both hm hmm yeah. In terms of the impulse
Speaker 3: control piece back in the day before pre Trump, which
Speaker 3: also I think actually his name Trump and what that
Speaker 3: means somehow, I think that's also snuck in there for
Speaker 3: you know, look at what it means or think about
Speaker 3: what it means. It means you're on top of other people.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 1: That's that's anointed in that in that way, right, because
Speaker 1: that is also part of the the mystique and the
Speaker 1: love of Donald Trump is that he is above it all.
Speaker 2: So yes, yes, go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 3: In terms of the impulse control piece, that was something
Speaker 3: that if the people who are struggling with it, many
Speaker 3: of whom have gone down to Texas and we're seeing
Speaker 3: the worst versions of themselves at the border right now.
Speaker 3: Not all, but many. They would normally have got get
Speaker 3: in trouble for the kinds of things that they say,
Speaker 3: behaviors that they're manifesting, but watching him and seeing him
Speaker 3: not get in trouble, it's giving them permission.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There used to be at least enough confines there. All
Speaker 3: of those have been stripped away, whether it is that
Speaker 3: you're forced to carry your rapist baby or that being
Speaker 3: overtly racist is okay mm hmm, the level of threat it.
Speaker 3: First of all, there's always some truth, like a kernel
Speaker 3: of truth somewhere within a paranoid delusion.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So conspiracy theories are definitely they're getting more and more crazy,
Speaker 3: and I will use that term and out there right,
Speaker 3: but somewhere within there is more, hopefully empowerment of others,
Speaker 3: not just not just white, angry white males and females.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the kernel of truth wrapped
Speaker 1: around this like confection of conspiracy, right, and the fact
Speaker 1: that if you tease out one thing and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: well that is true?
Speaker 2: What is then? How does how does the mind adapt
Speaker 2: to these conspiracy theories?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like I guess where I am is that you have
Speaker 1: Fox which tells no news, which offers no truth whatsoever,
Speaker 1: And how do people what what is it in our
Speaker 1: brain that has us question hmmm? Is that right? And
Speaker 1: for most people they would listen and they would say
Speaker 1: this doesn't see this seems very far fetched, right, Like
Speaker 1: is this right? But this audience is not doing that.
Speaker 1: They are just so absolute in their devotion and their
Speaker 1: belief system around everything that comes out of that part.
Speaker 2: So what is what is absent? What? What did or
Speaker 2: what did Donald Trump? And Trump isn't tap.
Speaker 1: Into in our psyche that allows us to discount allows
Speaker 1: these people thirty percent of the population, to discount facts
Speaker 1: and to pause and have reflection.
Speaker 3: You mean alternative facts? Yes, I think Trump himself is
Speaker 3: that little kernel of truth that the conspiracies are based
Speaker 3: on the things that he's touted, the things that he claims,
Speaker 3: the things that he's done, the way that he when
Speaker 3: you speak with that kind of authority and in the
Speaker 3: face of cameras and people watching and listening and be
Speaker 3: so able to lie and he believes himself right right,
Speaker 3: makes it even scarier. But because of that, others those
Speaker 3: who are who need, who think they need a leader
Speaker 3: like him, because he gives them permission to not have
Speaker 3: to be wrong, to never have to say they're sorry.
Speaker 3: Those muscles of hate and rage are just are just
Speaker 3: getting more and more exercised. Uh, and and the anything.
Speaker 3: Because if you're dead set on not being able to
Speaker 3: see yourself as wrong or admit you're wrong, you're gonna
Speaker 3: do say anything in order to keep your own faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when you say and I want you
Speaker 1: to unpack it a little bit for us here that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is their kernel of truth.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What? What what do you mean that?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What? What comes up?
Speaker 1: Because I really like you've just hit You've hit something
Speaker 1: for me in terms of my thinking, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, is this really what it is?
Speaker 2: What? What do you mean when you say that?
Speaker 3: Well, when I was saying that conspiracies are based usually
Speaker 3: on some kernel of some truth somewhere they don't, which
Speaker 3: is why, incidentally, paranoid schizophrenics are the hardest to treat
Speaker 3: because paranoia and conspiracy theories are so hard impossible to dismantle.
Speaker 3: Trump has weaved around himself a web of lies, and
Speaker 3: that web of lies has been justification for all of
Speaker 3: these people to create their fantasies, their qanons that he
Speaker 3: then comes back and validates and or proud boys, you know,
Speaker 3: stand by whatever, or you want to think about what
Speaker 3: he said. But everything that he's said and done up
Speaker 3: to this point has enabled people to massively expand their beliefs,
Speaker 3: their dead setnis on their conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Because one of the things too, when you say that,
Speaker 1: I think about the fact that Donald Trump is successful, right,
Speaker 1: Like he got to the White House because people believed
Speaker 1: him to be a you know, amazing successful businessman. You
Speaker 1: come to New York City, there isn't a place that
Speaker 1: you can go that you're not going to see Trump
Speaker 1: on a building, on prestigious real estate in New York City. Right,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you know wrote and I use quotation marks
Speaker 1: the Art of the Deal. Right, He's the guy that
Speaker 1: you know you're hired. You're fired from the television show
Speaker 1: for white America who found themselves, like I honestly believe,
Speaker 1: found themselves in a situation where they're like, huh, this
Speaker 1: country doesn't look the way it does that it did
Speaker 1: when I was growing up. My neighborhood looks different, My
Speaker 1: neighbors look different. The qualifications that I thought that I
Speaker 1: needed in order to have the quote unquote American dream
Speaker 1: are not the same anymore. Right, Donald Trump is like
Speaker 1: their mascot in a lot in a lot of ways, right,
Speaker 1: And so when you when you say that, I think
Speaker 1: the truth is teflon Da that was that was his nickname.
Speaker 1: You could throw lawsuits at him, you could do all
Speaker 1: of these things, but it was never gonna stick because
Speaker 1: he's above reproach. And so I'm like, in your mind,
Speaker 1: is there or like you said, with paranoid schizophrenics, is
Speaker 1: there no way to extract the kernel from the web
Speaker 1: of the lies that have been told? Because the truth
Speaker 1: is that white Americans who got only a high school diploma,
Speaker 1: who were you know, had worked, let's say, in manufacturing
Speaker 1: and what have you, they are very much displaced. That
Speaker 1: is actual facts, right, Because you need multiple degrees in
Speaker 1: order to just survive in this country. That is true, right,
Speaker 1: Why that happened is what is actually true. They're being
Speaker 1: told why that happened is because black and brown people
Speaker 1: came in and took something from you, and the Jews
Speaker 1: and the Jews right and the jew and so right.
Speaker 1: So let's so let's blame this group of people. Like
Speaker 1: what you're feeling is true. You have in many ways
Speaker 1: been displaced because your jobs have been sent elsewhere, knowing
Speaker 1: that though doctor Lockman, is there not a way? Is
Speaker 1: there a way for us to unwind that web of lies?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there a way that you see when you listen
Speaker 1: to democrats, you're like, they're not hitting it because they're
Speaker 1: not hitting this part of their brain.
Speaker 3: Well, once he is tucked away in jail, and there
Speaker 3: are a lot of people angling for that to have
Speaker 3: so inevitably it's going to have to catch up to him,
Speaker 3: either that or he'll die one or the other. But
Speaker 3: once he is out of our everyday awareness, these are
Speaker 3: also people with relatively short attention spans. He has been
Speaker 3: able to stay in their awareness thanks in large part
Speaker 3: to the media who are really enabling this. But what
Speaker 3: else is new that's generally what happens. But once he
Speaker 3: doesn't have a mouthpiece anymore, and we have to hope
Speaker 3: that given all of the strategic maneuvers that are going
Speaker 3: on within the courts.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: They're trying not only to get him in jail, but
Speaker 3: to rip away his reputation as being so rich and
Speaker 3: fancy and famous, and that is what's making him crazy.
Speaker 3: More his reputation is torn down the crazier he gets.
Speaker 2: Now it's true, yep.
Speaker 3: We're still dealing with people who not only they have
Speaker 3: high thresholds for abuse, for abuse of language, so a
Speaker 3: lot of the it's just locker room talk. But between
Speaker 3: that and the inability to say that they're sorry, because
Speaker 3: it means that there's something wrong with who they are.
Speaker 3: Their inability to admit that they're wrong. When he's removed,
Speaker 3: it's sort of all going to collapse on itself. The
Speaker 3: pendulum is going to start to swing in the other direction.
Speaker 3: Like if you look at what actually happens in the
Speaker 3: world or in the United States, sections as the Republican
Speaker 3: States get crazier, there seems to be like on not
Speaker 3: News TV, but like on Netflix or on other channels,
Speaker 3: they're trying to show more empowerment, more connection, more of
Speaker 3: a sense of community, more interracial. So I think that message,
Speaker 3: hopefully is what gets through. It's usually what happens. It's
Speaker 3: even seen in commercials. You'll see more patriotism in the
Speaker 3: face of like nine to eleven for example. But then
Speaker 3: when Trump was in office, that was not a way
Speaker 3: that people advertised, right, the smart people appealing to consumers
Speaker 3: who would actually buy. So yeah, and by the way,
Speaker 3: they are ripping Trump's name down down from everywhere York City.
Speaker 3: And there are plenty of people here who he owes
Speaker 3: money to who he never paid. And what he's done
Speaker 3: is he just get he locks them up in court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because he has the money to be able
Speaker 1: to run the game. The last question I have with you, though,
Speaker 1: for you is what do you make then of the copycats? Right,
Speaker 1: the trumpest copycats, the politicians that we are seeing that
Speaker 1: are copying his language, his bravado. Where what I believed, right,
Speaker 1: and I think many of us wanted to believe in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, is that we got rid of him when
Speaker 1: we voted for Biden, right, like we never could imagine
Speaker 1: you lost in a lect like you're gonna run again?
Speaker 1: Right in the general we hadn't seen that. But Trump
Speaker 1: didn't go away, and Trump is actually spread. So what
Speaker 1: do you make of the copycats that if things were
Speaker 1: to pan out and one of these lawsuits where to
Speaker 1: actually find their way through and Donald Trump goes to
Speaker 1: jail while he's appealing all of these things, Like, say
Speaker 1: that happens, what about all of the trump Ism that
Speaker 1: has already spread?
Speaker 3: Nobody does it like Trump. They're all going to collapse
Speaker 3: on themselves. And many of them already know that what
Speaker 3: they're doing is outlandish and outrageous and they're just trying
Speaker 3: to garner the support that he has. But I picture
Speaker 3: a sort of a masked deflation happening.
Speaker 1: Then Ron DeSantis in Florida was supposed to be the
Speaker 1: Trump apparent, right, Like the Trumpiness without the quote unquote
Speaker 1: baggage is how he you know, made himself up to
Speaker 1: be in the spotlight fizzled mm hmm, right, And so
Speaker 1: I I Nikki Haley right now, still battling it out.
Speaker 1: You know, doesn't have But you're right, they don't have
Speaker 1: the charisma, so they can copy as much as they want,
Speaker 1: But it's the charisma.
Speaker 2: That people are addicted to.
Speaker 3: They're still hanging onto his coattails, and when his coattails
Speaker 3: are locked away, that's it.
Speaker 1: Well, from from your lips to the heavens, uh, Suzanne Lachman,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join
Speaker 1: ok F again and will keep having you back because
Speaker 1: they like keep being something else.
Speaker 2: This is uh that.
Speaker 3: Cop that we need to keep talking about. So yes,
Speaker 3: I'm here.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you so very much. H m hm. That
Speaker 2: is it for me today.
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Speaker 1: the people and to all the people.
Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.