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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on today's show, I have doctor Suzanne Lachman

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<v Speaker 1>joining us again to kind of unpack the Republican mush brain,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I'm going to refer to it as.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can think of no better example of Republican

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<v Speaker 1>mush brain. Then what is happening right now with the

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<v Speaker 1>immigration bill? Right, So, for the last couple of months,

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly Republicans and Democrats in the Senate have been concocting

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<v Speaker 1>an immigration reform bill which is supposed to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the quote unquote crisis that we are experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>around the country of an influx of migrants seeking asylum

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<v Speaker 1>from countries that have been economically devastated, right, and have

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<v Speaker 1>increased in violence. However, if you look inside of this bill,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans get everything that they want, right. No new protections

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<v Speaker 1>from undocumented people being exploited, right, no real path to

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<v Speaker 1>citizenship for those that are already here. They get their

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<v Speaker 1>desire to quote unquote shut down the border when the

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<v Speaker 1>number of those coming across have exceeded five thousand in

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<v Speaker 1>the week, and you know, more money to build more

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<v Speaker 1>walls and to do more things and have more security

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<v Speaker 1>in all of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Except.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a cornucopia of all of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that Republicans have asked for. Democrats have completely greenlighted, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet Republicans don't want it. And why don't they want it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because Donald Trump told them not to want it? Because

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump told Republicans that he does not want to

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<v Speaker 1>bipartisan bill, particularly on immigration, passed during election year because

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<v Speaker 1>then he won't be able to use it as a

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<v Speaker 1>talking point. He doesn't want any progress to happen. He

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<v Speaker 1>wants absolute chaos so that it can bolster his campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck kind of person is that Number one?

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<v Speaker 2>Number two.

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<v Speaker 1>When asked about this bill, which none of them have

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<v Speaker 1>actually read in the House of Representatives, are already saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's dead on arrival. A last dephonic has referred to

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<v Speaker 1>it as the Biden Schumer Amnesty Bill or some bullshit

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<v Speaker 1>like that. None of those things are actually in there,

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<v Speaker 1>any of the things. The grievances that they are making

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<v Speaker 1>up is exactly that. It's shit that they are making

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<v Speaker 1>up to feed their base, because none of those things

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<v Speaker 1>like open borders and just letting people flow in and

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<v Speaker 1>no security and know nothing is a fucking lie. But

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter because we don't operate in reality when

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with Republicans anymore because of Republican mush brain. Up

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<v Speaker 1>is down and down is up, and right is left

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<v Speaker 1>and left is right. So how are you supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate with people who have no allegiance to the true

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<v Speaker 1>and or logic but only have allegiance to Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sick and tired of Democrats believing that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get some compromise when the entirety of the

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<v Speaker 1>House is made up of right wing white evangelical extremist

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<v Speaker 1>domestic terrorists who want nothing more than destruction. So in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get legislation passed and signed by the President,

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to pass through both the Senate and the House.

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<v Speaker 1>The Senate is where you kind of sort of still

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<v Speaker 1>maybe have one or two grown ups, but those are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that are just, you know, prayerful that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump will continue to learn on the job, because apparently

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<v Speaker 1>at seventy something years old, you know, they're still room

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<v Speaker 1>for improvement there. Intellectually, I'm just so fucking sick and

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<v Speaker 1>tired and so uh. Doctor Suzanne Lachman joins us to

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<v Speaker 1>just unpack the crazy, and she says something that really

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<v Speaker 1>does pique my interests, and I wonder if it will

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<v Speaker 1>do the same for you.

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<v Speaker 2>That interview is coming up next, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I am super happy to welcome back to wok F

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<v Speaker 1>Daily psychologist, author and relationship expert Suzanne Lachman. Doctor Lochman,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to tell folks that you had

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<v Speaker 1>recently seen me on on on MSNBC, UH talking about

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<v Speaker 1>just some of the crazy and I you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a doctor, so and I know that you although

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<v Speaker 1>use that term, but some of the absolutely insane commentary

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracies lies that are just consistently coming out of the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Most recently, Charlie Kirk goes on a tirade about diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>equity and inclusion, which he knows nothing about, but goes

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<v Speaker 1>on a tirade about how he would never fly on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane with black pilots and because are they even capable? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because apparently the only capable pilots are those that are white,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you see a black pilot then they must

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<v Speaker 1>not have a degree at all. Or the skills set

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<v Speaker 1>to even do the job right. That the only time

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<v Speaker 1>that you see people of color, women, anyone who is

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<v Speaker 1>not a white, straight male in positions of power or authority,

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<v Speaker 1>they are simply there as just a token because they

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<v Speaker 1>are underskilled, underperforming as general humans. You were outraged by

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<v Speaker 1>it as I was talk to me about what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening in the mind of this Republican party from your

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<v Speaker 1>from your vantage point.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, there are so many things happening. It's It's

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<v Speaker 3>simple and yet complex at the same time. In terms

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<v Speaker 3>of first of all, Donald J. Trump has given permission

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<v Speaker 3>to everybody with an impulse control disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, because and up to this point, somehow he has

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<v Speaker 3>managed to not get thrown in the slammer, which validates

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<v Speaker 3>even more those who already follow him and see him

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<v Speaker 3>as an icon. That's in fact, what I think actually

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<v Speaker 3>does it is if he can get away with all

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<v Speaker 3>of this right and nothing is as far as they

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<v Speaker 3>can see, nothing significantly substantive for them has happened, yet

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<v Speaker 3>they can still blame it on everybody else. Another piece

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<v Speaker 3>of that, though, Danielle, is, is that these are people

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<v Speaker 3>in general who are incapable of admitting that they're wrong. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's I want to talk about two things that

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<v Speaker 1>you brought up, impulse control being one, right, permission to

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<v Speaker 1>people without impulse control. Is that something that is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a real issue or is it something that again, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, Donald Trump has given people permission and as

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<v Speaker 1>I have said many times on this show and others,

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<v Speaker 1>permission to be their worst selves? Right, So is there

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<v Speaker 1>an actual impulse control? I have these thoughts and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't stop myself from putting that information back out into

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<v Speaker 1>the universe. Or is it No, Donald Trump is is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hitting them in the in the ego or

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the place that allows them to say, no,

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<v Speaker 1>your worst self is your truest self. So let so

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<v Speaker 1>let that out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's both hm hmm yeah. In terms of the impulse

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<v Speaker 3>control piece back in the day before pre Trump, which

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<v Speaker 3>also I think actually his name Trump and what that

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<v Speaker 3>means somehow, I think that's also snuck in there for

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<v Speaker 3>you know, look at what it means or think about

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<v Speaker 3>what it means. It means you're on top of other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's anointed in that in that way, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>that is also part of the the mystique and the

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<v Speaker 1>love of Donald Trump is that he is above it all.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, yes, go ahead. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>In terms of the impulse control piece, that was something

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<v Speaker 3>that if the people who are struggling with it, many

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<v Speaker 3>of whom have gone down to Texas and we're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>the worst versions of themselves at the border right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Not all, but many. They would normally have got get

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<v Speaker 3>in trouble for the kinds of things that they say,

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<v Speaker 3>behaviors that they're manifesting, but watching him and seeing him

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<v Speaker 3>not get in trouble, it's giving them permission.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>There used to be at least enough confines there. All

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<v Speaker 3>of those have been stripped away, whether it is that

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<v Speaker 3>you're forced to carry your rapist baby or that being

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<v Speaker 3>overtly racist is okay mm hmm, the level of threat it.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, there's always some truth, like a kernel

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<v Speaker 3>of truth somewhere within a paranoid delusion.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So conspiracy theories are definitely they're getting more and more crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I will use that term and out there right,

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<v Speaker 3>but somewhere within there is more, hopefully empowerment of others,

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<v Speaker 3>not just not just white, angry white males and females.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about the kernel of truth wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>around this like confection of conspiracy, right, and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that if you tease out one thing and you're like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well that is true?

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<v Speaker 2>What is then? How does how does the mind adapt

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<v Speaker 2>to these conspiracy theories?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I guess where I am is that you have

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<v Speaker 1>Fox which tells no news, which offers no truth whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>And how do people what what is it in our

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<v Speaker 1>brain that has us question hmmm? Is that right? And

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<v Speaker 1>for most people they would listen and they would say

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't see this seems very far fetched, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>is this right? But this audience is not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>They are just so absolute in their devotion and their

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<v Speaker 1>belief system around everything that comes out of that part.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is what is absent? What? What did or

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<v Speaker 2>what did Donald Trump? And Trump isn't tap.

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<v Speaker 1>Into in our psyche that allows us to discount allows

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<v Speaker 1>these people thirty percent of the population, to discount facts

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<v Speaker 1>and to pause and have reflection.

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<v Speaker 3>You mean alternative facts? Yes, I think Trump himself is

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<v Speaker 3>that little kernel of truth that the conspiracies are based

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<v Speaker 3>on the things that he's touted, the things that he claims,

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<v Speaker 3>the things that he's done, the way that he when

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<v Speaker 3>you speak with that kind of authority and in the

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<v Speaker 3>face of cameras and people watching and listening and be

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<v Speaker 3>so able to lie and he believes himself right right,

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<v Speaker 3>makes it even scarier. But because of that, others those

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<v Speaker 3>who are who need, who think they need a leader

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<v Speaker 3>like him, because he gives them permission to not have

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<v Speaker 3>to be wrong, to never have to say they're sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Those muscles of hate and rage are just are just

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<v Speaker 3>getting more and more exercised. Uh, and and the anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if you're dead set on not being able to

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<v Speaker 3>see yourself as wrong or admit you're wrong, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do say anything in order to keep your own faith.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know when you say and I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to unpack it a little bit for us here that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is their kernel of truth.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean? What? What what do you mean that?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>What? What comes up?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I really like you've just hit You've hit something

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<v Speaker 1>for me in terms of my thinking, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, is this really what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>What? What do you mean when you say that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, when I was saying that conspiracies are based usually

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<v Speaker 3>on some kernel of some truth somewhere they don't, which

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<v Speaker 3>is why, incidentally, paranoid schizophrenics are the hardest to treat

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<v Speaker 3>because paranoia and conspiracy theories are so hard impossible to dismantle.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has weaved around himself a web of lies, and

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<v Speaker 3>that web of lies has been justification for all of

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<v Speaker 3>these people to create their fantasies, their qanons that he

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<v Speaker 3>then comes back and validates and or proud boys, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>stand by whatever, or you want to think about what

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<v Speaker 3>he said. But everything that he's said and done up

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<v Speaker 3>to this point has enabled people to massively expand their beliefs,

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<v Speaker 3>their dead setnis on their conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>Because one of the things too, when you say that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think about the fact that Donald Trump is successful, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he got to the White House because people believed

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<v Speaker 1>him to be a you know, amazing successful businessman. You

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<v Speaker 1>come to New York City, there isn't a place that

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<v Speaker 1>you can go that you're not going to see Trump

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<v Speaker 1>on a building, on prestigious real estate in New York City. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, you know wrote and I use quotation marks

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<v Speaker 1>the Art of the Deal. Right, He's the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're hired. You're fired from the television show

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<v Speaker 1>for white America who found themselves, like I honestly believe,

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<v Speaker 1>found themselves in a situation where they're like, huh, this

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<v Speaker 1>country doesn't look the way it does that it did

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<v Speaker 1>when I was growing up. My neighborhood looks different, My

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors look different. The qualifications that I thought that I

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<v Speaker 1>needed in order to have the quote unquote American dream

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<v Speaker 1>are not the same anymore. Right, Donald Trump is like

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<v Speaker 1>their mascot in a lot in a lot of ways, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you when you say that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the truth is teflon Da that was that was his nickname.

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<v Speaker 1>You could throw lawsuits at him, you could do all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things, but it was never gonna stick because

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<v Speaker 1>he's above reproach. And so I'm like, in your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>is there or like you said, with paranoid schizophrenics, is

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<v Speaker 1>there no way to extract the kernel from the web

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<v Speaker 1>of the lies that have been told? Because the truth

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<v Speaker 1>is that white Americans who got only a high school diploma,

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<v Speaker 1>who were you know, had worked, let's say, in manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>and what have you, they are very much displaced. That

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<v Speaker 1>is actual facts, right, Because you need multiple degrees in

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<v Speaker 1>order to just survive in this country. That is true, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Why that happened is what is actually true. They're being

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<v Speaker 1>told why that happened is because black and brown people

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<v Speaker 1>came in and took something from you, and the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>and the Jews right and the jew and so right.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's so let's blame this group of people. Like

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<v Speaker 1>what you're feeling is true. You have in many ways

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<v Speaker 1>been displaced because your jobs have been sent elsewhere, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that though doctor Lockman, is there not a way? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a way for us to unwind that web of lies?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a way that you see when you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to democrats, you're like, they're not hitting it because they're

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<v Speaker 1>not hitting this part of their brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, once he is tucked away in jail, and there

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<v Speaker 3>are a lot of people angling for that to have

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<v Speaker 3>so inevitably it's going to have to catch up to him,

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<v Speaker 3>either that or he'll die one or the other. But

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<v Speaker 3>once he is out of our everyday awareness, these are

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<v Speaker 3>also people with relatively short attention spans. He has been

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<v Speaker 3>able to stay in their awareness thanks in large part

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<v Speaker 3>to the media who are really enabling this. But what

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<v Speaker 3>else is new that's generally what happens. But once he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have a mouthpiece anymore, and we have to hope

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<v Speaker 3>that given all of the strategic maneuvers that are going

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<v Speaker 3>on within the courts.

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<v Speaker 2>That.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying not only to get him in jail, but

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<v Speaker 3>to rip away his reputation as being so rich and

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<v Speaker 3>fancy and famous, and that is what's making him crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>More his reputation is torn down the crazier he gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's true, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>We're still dealing with people who not only they have

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<v Speaker 3>high thresholds for abuse, for abuse of language, so a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the it's just locker room talk. But between

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<v Speaker 3>that and the inability to say that they're sorry, because

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<v Speaker 3>it means that there's something wrong with who they are.

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<v Speaker 3>Their inability to admit that they're wrong. When he's removed,

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<v Speaker 3>it's sort of all going to collapse on itself. The

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<v Speaker 3>pendulum is going to start to swing in the other direction.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you look at what actually happens in the

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<v Speaker 3>world or in the United States, sections as the Republican

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<v Speaker 3>States get crazier, there seems to be like on not

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<v Speaker 3>News TV, but like on Netflix or on other channels,

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<v Speaker 3>they're trying to show more empowerment, more connection, more of

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<v Speaker 3>a sense of community, more interracial. So I think that message,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully is what gets through. It's usually what happens. It's

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<v Speaker 3>even seen in commercials. You'll see more patriotism in the

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<v Speaker 3>face of like nine to eleven for example. But then

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<v Speaker 3>when Trump was in office, that was not a way

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<v Speaker 3>that people advertised, right, the smart people appealing to consumers

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<v Speaker 3>who would actually buy. So yeah, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>they are ripping Trump's name down down from everywhere York City.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are plenty of people here who he owes

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<v Speaker 3>money to who he never paid. And what he's done

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<v Speaker 3>is he just get he locks them up in court.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because he has the money to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to run the game. The last question I have with you, though,

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<v Speaker 1>for you is what do you make then of the copycats? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the trumpest copycats, the politicians that we are seeing that

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<v Speaker 1>are copying his language, his bravado. Where what I believed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think many of us wanted to believe in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, is that we got rid of him when

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<v Speaker 1>we voted for Biden, right, like we never could imagine

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<v Speaker 1>you lost in a lect like you're gonna run again?

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<v Speaker 1>Right in the general we hadn't seen that. But Trump

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go away, and Trump is actually spread. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you make of the copycats that if things were

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<v Speaker 1>to pan out and one of these lawsuits where to

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<v Speaker 1>actually find their way through and Donald Trump goes to

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<v Speaker 1>jail while he's appealing all of these things, Like, say

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<v Speaker 1>that happens, what about all of the trump Ism that

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<v Speaker 1>has already spread?

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody does it like Trump. They're all going to collapse

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<v Speaker 3>on themselves. And many of them already know that what

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing is outlandish and outrageous and they're just trying

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<v Speaker 3>to garner the support that he has. But I picture

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of a masked deflation happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Ron DeSantis in Florida was supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump apparent, right, Like the Trumpiness without the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>baggage is how he you know, made himself up to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the spotlight fizzled mm hmm, right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I I Nikki Haley right now, still battling it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, doesn't have But you're right, they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the charisma, so they can copy as much as they want,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the charisma.

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<v Speaker 2>That people are addicted to.

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<v Speaker 3>They're still hanging onto his coattails, and when his coattails

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<v Speaker 3>are locked away, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, from from your lips to the heavens, uh, Suzanne Lachman,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for making the time to join

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<v Speaker 1>ok F again and will keep having you back because

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<v Speaker 1>they like keep being something else.

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<v Speaker 2>This is uh that.

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<v Speaker 3>Cop that we need to keep talking about. So yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you so very much. H m hm. That

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<v Speaker 2>is it for me today.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear friends on woke A app as always power to

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<v Speaker 1>the people and to all the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.