1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, I have doctor Suzanne Lachman 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: joining us again to kind of unpack the Republican mush brain, 5 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: which is what I'm going to refer to it as. 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: And I can think of no better example of Republican 7 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: mush brain. Then what is happening right now with the 8 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: immigration bill? Right, So, for the last couple of months, 9 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: supposedly Republicans and Democrats in the Senate have been concocting 10 00:00:53,600 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: an immigration reform bill which is supposed to, you know, 11 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: deal with the quote unquote crisis that we are experiencing 12 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: around the country of an influx of migrants seeking asylum 13 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: from countries that have been economically devastated, right, and have 14 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: increased in violence. However, if you look inside of this bill, 15 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: Republicans get everything that they want, right. No new protections 16 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: from undocumented people being exploited, right, no real path to 17 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: citizenship for those that are already here. They get their 18 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: desire to quote unquote shut down the border when the 19 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: number of those coming across have exceeded five thousand in 20 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: the week, and you know, more money to build more 21 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: walls and to do more things and have more security 22 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: in all of these things. 23 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: Right, Except. 24 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: This is like a cornucopia of all of the things 25 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: that Republicans have asked for. Democrats have completely greenlighted, and 26 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: yet Republicans don't want it. And why don't they want it? 27 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: Because Donald Trump told them not to want it? Because 28 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: Donald Trump told Republicans that he does not want to 29 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: bipartisan bill, particularly on immigration, passed during election year because 30 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: then he won't be able to use it as a 31 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: talking point. He doesn't want any progress to happen. He 32 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: wants absolute chaos so that it can bolster his campaign. 33 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: What the fuck kind of person is that Number one? 34 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: Number two. 35 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: When asked about this bill, which none of them have 36 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: actually read in the House of Representatives, are already saying 37 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: it's dead on arrival. A last dephonic has referred to 38 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: it as the Biden Schumer Amnesty Bill or some bullshit 39 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: like that. None of those things are actually in there, 40 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: any of the things. The grievances that they are making 41 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: up is exactly that. It's shit that they are making 42 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: up to feed their base, because none of those things 43 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: like open borders and just letting people flow in and 44 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: no security and know nothing is a fucking lie. But 45 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because we don't operate in reality when 46 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: dealing with Republicans anymore because of Republican mush brain. Up 47 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: is down and down is up, and right is left 48 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: and left is right. So how are you supposed to 49 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: negotiate with people who have no allegiance to the true 50 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: and or logic but only have allegiance to Donald Trump? 51 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: You don't. 52 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: So I'm sick and tired of Democrats believing that they're 53 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: going to get some compromise when the entirety of the 54 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: House is made up of right wing white evangelical extremist 55 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: domestic terrorists who want nothing more than destruction. So in 56 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: order to get legislation passed and signed by the President, 57 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: it needs to pass through both the Senate and the House. 58 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: The Senate is where you kind of sort of still 59 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: maybe have one or two grown ups, but those are 60 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: the ones that are just, you know, prayerful that Donald 61 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: Trump will continue to learn on the job, because apparently 62 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 1: at seventy something years old, you know, they're still room 63 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: for improvement there. Intellectually, I'm just so fucking sick and 64 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: tired and so uh. Doctor Suzanne Lachman joins us to 65 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: just unpack the crazy, and she says something that really 66 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: does pique my interests, and I wonder if it will 67 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: do the same for you. 68 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 2: That interview is coming up next, folks. 69 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: I am super happy to welcome back to wok F 70 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: Daily psychologist, author and relationship expert Suzanne Lachman. Doctor Lochman, 71 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, I want to tell folks that you had 72 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: recently seen me on on on MSNBC, UH talking about 73 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: just some of the crazy and I you know, I'm 74 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: not a doctor, so and I know that you although 75 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: use that term, but some of the absolutely insane commentary 76 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: conspiracies lies that are just consistently coming out of the right. 77 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Most recently, Charlie Kirk goes on a tirade about diversity, 78 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: equity and inclusion, which he knows nothing about, but goes 79 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: on a tirade about how he would never fly on 80 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: a plane with black pilots and because are they even capable? Right, 81 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: Because apparently the only capable pilots are those that are white, 82 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: and if you see a black pilot then they must 83 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: not have a degree at all. Or the skills set 84 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: to even do the job right. That the only time 85 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: that you see people of color, women, anyone who is 86 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: not a white, straight male in positions of power or authority, 87 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: they are simply there as just a token because they 88 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: are underskilled, underperforming as general humans. You were outraged by 89 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: it as I was talk to me about what is 90 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: happening in the mind of this Republican party from your 91 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: from your vantage point. 92 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: Oh well, there are so many things happening. It's It's 93 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: simple and yet complex at the same time. In terms 94 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: of first of all, Donald J. Trump has given permission 95 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: to everybody with an impulse control disorder. 96 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: Ah mm hmm. 97 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: Okay, because and up to this point, somehow he has 98 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: managed to not get thrown in the slammer, which validates 99 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: even more those who already follow him and see him 100 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: as an icon. That's in fact, what I think actually 101 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: does it is if he can get away with all 102 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: of this right and nothing is as far as they 103 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: can see, nothing significantly substantive for them has happened, yet 104 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: they can still blame it on everybody else. Another piece 105 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: of that, though, Danielle, is, is that these are people 106 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: in general who are incapable of admitting that they're wrong. Yes, yes, 107 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if we talked about. 108 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: Let's let's I want to talk about two things that 109 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: you brought up, impulse control being one, right, permission to 110 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: people without impulse control. Is that something that is actually 111 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: a real issue or is it something that again, like 112 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: you said, Donald Trump has given people permission and as 113 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: I have said many times on this show and others, 114 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: permission to be their worst selves? Right, So is there 115 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: an actual impulse control? I have these thoughts and I 116 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: can't stop myself from putting that information back out into 117 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: the universe. Or is it No, Donald Trump is is 118 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, hitting them in the in the ego or 119 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: in the in the place that allows them to say, no, 120 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: your worst self is your truest self. So let so 121 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: let that out. 122 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: It's both hm hmm yeah. In terms of the impulse 123 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: control piece back in the day before pre Trump, which 124 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: also I think actually his name Trump and what that 125 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: means somehow, I think that's also snuck in there for 126 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: you know, look at what it means or think about 127 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: what it means. It means you're on top of other people. 128 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, So. 129 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: That's that's anointed in that in that way, right, because 130 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: that is also part of the the mystique and the 131 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: love of Donald Trump is that he is above it all. 132 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: So yes, yes, go ahead. Yeah. 133 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: In terms of the impulse control piece, that was something 134 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: that if the people who are struggling with it, many 135 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: of whom have gone down to Texas and we're seeing 136 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: the worst versions of themselves at the border right now. 137 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: Not all, but many. They would normally have got get 138 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: in trouble for the kinds of things that they say, 139 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: behaviors that they're manifesting, but watching him and seeing him 140 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,359 Speaker 3: not get in trouble, it's giving them permission. 141 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 142 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: There used to be at least enough confines there. All 143 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: of those have been stripped away, whether it is that 144 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: you're forced to carry your rapist baby or that being 145 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: overtly racist is okay mm hmm, the level of threat it. 146 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: First of all, there's always some truth, like a kernel 147 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: of truth somewhere within a paranoid delusion. 148 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: Okay. 149 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: So conspiracy theories are definitely they're getting more and more crazy, 150 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: and I will use that term and out there right, 151 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: but somewhere within there is more, hopefully empowerment of others, 152 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 3: not just not just white, angry white males and females. 153 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the kernel of truth wrapped 154 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: around this like confection of conspiracy, right, and the fact 155 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: that if you tease out one thing and you're like, oh, okay, 156 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: well that is true? 157 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: What is then? How does how does the mind adapt 158 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: to these conspiracy theories? 159 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 3: Right? 160 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: Like I guess where I am is that you have 161 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:22,239 Speaker 1: Fox which tells no news, which offers no truth whatsoever, 162 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: And how do people what what is it in our 163 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: brain that has us question hmmm? Is that right? And 164 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: for most people they would listen and they would say 165 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: this doesn't see this seems very far fetched, right, Like 166 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: is this right? But this audience is not doing that. 167 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: They are just so absolute in their devotion and their 168 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: belief system around everything that comes out of that part. 169 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: So what is what is absent? What? What did or 170 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: what did Donald Trump? And Trump isn't tap. 171 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Into in our psyche that allows us to discount allows 172 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: these people thirty percent of the population, to discount facts 173 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: and to pause and have reflection. 174 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: You mean alternative facts? Yes, I think Trump himself is 175 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: that little kernel of truth that the conspiracies are based 176 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: on the things that he's touted, the things that he claims, 177 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: the things that he's done, the way that he when 178 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: you speak with that kind of authority and in the 179 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: face of cameras and people watching and listening and be 180 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: so able to lie and he believes himself right right, 181 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: makes it even scarier. But because of that, others those 182 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: who are who need, who think they need a leader 183 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 3: like him, because he gives them permission to not have 184 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: to be wrong, to never have to say they're sorry. 185 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: Those muscles of hate and rage are just are just 186 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: getting more and more exercised. Uh, and and the anything. 187 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: Because if you're dead set on not being able to 188 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: see yourself as wrong or admit you're wrong, you're gonna 189 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: do say anything in order to keep your own faith. 190 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when you say and I want you 191 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: to unpack it a little bit for us here that 192 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is their kernel of truth. 193 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: What do you mean? What? What what do you mean that? 194 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: What? 195 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: What? What comes up? 196 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: Because I really like you've just hit You've hit something 197 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: for me in terms of my thinking, and I'm like, 198 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, is this really what it is? 199 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: What? What do you mean when you say that? 200 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: Well, when I was saying that conspiracies are based usually 201 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: on some kernel of some truth somewhere they don't, which 202 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: is why, incidentally, paranoid schizophrenics are the hardest to treat 203 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 3: because paranoia and conspiracy theories are so hard impossible to dismantle. 204 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: Trump has weaved around himself a web of lies, and 205 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: that web of lies has been justification for all of 206 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: these people to create their fantasies, their qanons that he 207 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: then comes back and validates and or proud boys, you know, 208 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: stand by whatever, or you want to think about what 209 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: he said. But everything that he's said and done up 210 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: to this point has enabled people to massively expand their beliefs, 211 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: their dead setnis on their conspiracy theories. 212 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: Because one of the things too, when you say that, 213 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: I think about the fact that Donald Trump is successful, right, 214 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Like he got to the White House because people believed 215 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: him to be a you know, amazing successful businessman. You 216 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: come to New York City, there isn't a place that 217 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: you can go that you're not going to see Trump 218 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: on a building, on prestigious real estate in New York City. Right, 219 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you know wrote and I use quotation marks 220 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: the Art of the Deal. Right, He's the guy that 221 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: you know you're hired. You're fired from the television show 222 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: for white America who found themselves, like I honestly believe, 223 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: found themselves in a situation where they're like, huh, this 224 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: country doesn't look the way it does that it did 225 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: when I was growing up. My neighborhood looks different, My 226 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: neighbors look different. The qualifications that I thought that I 227 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: needed in order to have the quote unquote American dream 228 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: are not the same anymore. Right, Donald Trump is like 229 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: their mascot in a lot in a lot of ways, right, 230 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: And so when you when you say that, I think 231 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: the truth is teflon Da that was that was his nickname. 232 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: You could throw lawsuits at him, you could do all 233 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: of these things, but it was never gonna stick because 234 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: he's above reproach. And so I'm like, in your mind, 235 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: is there or like you said, with paranoid schizophrenics, is 236 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: there no way to extract the kernel from the web 237 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: of the lies that have been told? Because the truth 238 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: is that white Americans who got only a high school diploma, 239 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: who were you know, had worked, let's say, in manufacturing 240 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: and what have you, they are very much displaced. That 241 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: is actual facts, right, Because you need multiple degrees in 242 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: order to just survive in this country. That is true, right, 243 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: Why that happened is what is actually true. They're being 244 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: told why that happened is because black and brown people 245 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: came in and took something from you, and the Jews 246 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: and the Jews right and the jew and so right. 247 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: So let's so let's blame this group of people. Like 248 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: what you're feeling is true. You have in many ways 249 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: been displaced because your jobs have been sent elsewhere, knowing 250 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: that though doctor Lockman, is there not a way? Is 251 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: there a way for us to unwind that web of lies? 252 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: Like? 253 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: Is there a way that you see when you listen 254 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: to democrats, you're like, they're not hitting it because they're 255 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: not hitting this part of their brain. 256 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 3: Well, once he is tucked away in jail, and there 257 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: are a lot of people angling for that to have 258 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: so inevitably it's going to have to catch up to him, 259 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: either that or he'll die one or the other. But 260 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: once he is out of our everyday awareness, these are 261 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: also people with relatively short attention spans. He has been 262 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: able to stay in their awareness thanks in large part 263 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: to the media who are really enabling this. But what 264 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 3: else is new that's generally what happens. But once he 265 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: doesn't have a mouthpiece anymore, and we have to hope 266 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 3: that given all of the strategic maneuvers that are going 267 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: on within the courts. 268 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: That. 269 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 3: They're trying not only to get him in jail, but 270 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: to rip away his reputation as being so rich and 271 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: fancy and famous, and that is what's making him crazy. 272 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 3: More his reputation is torn down the crazier he gets. 273 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: Now it's true, yep. 274 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: We're still dealing with people who not only they have 275 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: high thresholds for abuse, for abuse of language, so a 276 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: lot of the it's just locker room talk. But between 277 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 3: that and the inability to say that they're sorry, because 278 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: it means that there's something wrong with who they are. 279 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: Their inability to admit that they're wrong. When he's removed, 280 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: it's sort of all going to collapse on itself. The 281 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: pendulum is going to start to swing in the other direction. 282 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: Like if you look at what actually happens in the 283 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: world or in the United States, sections as the Republican 284 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: States get crazier, there seems to be like on not 285 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: News TV, but like on Netflix or on other channels, 286 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: they're trying to show more empowerment, more connection, more of 287 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 3: a sense of community, more interracial. So I think that message, 288 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: hopefully is what gets through. It's usually what happens. It's 289 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: even seen in commercials. You'll see more patriotism in the 290 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 3: face of like nine to eleven for example. But then 291 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: when Trump was in office, that was not a way 292 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: that people advertised, right, the smart people appealing to consumers 293 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: who would actually buy. So yeah, and by the way, 294 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: they are ripping Trump's name down down from everywhere York City. 295 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: And there are plenty of people here who he owes 296 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: money to who he never paid. And what he's done 297 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: is he just get he locks them up in court. 298 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because he has the money to be able 299 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: to run the game. The last question I have with you, though, 300 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: for you is what do you make then of the copycats? Right, 301 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: the trumpest copycats, the politicians that we are seeing that 302 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: are copying his language, his bravado. Where what I believed, right, 303 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: and I think many of us wanted to believe in 304 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, is that we got rid of him when 305 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: we voted for Biden, right, like we never could imagine 306 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: you lost in a lect like you're gonna run again? 307 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: Right in the general we hadn't seen that. But Trump 308 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: didn't go away, and Trump is actually spread. So what 309 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: do you make of the copycats that if things were 310 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: to pan out and one of these lawsuits where to 311 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: actually find their way through and Donald Trump goes to 312 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: jail while he's appealing all of these things, Like, say 313 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: that happens, what about all of the trump Ism that 314 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: has already spread? 315 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: Nobody does it like Trump. They're all going to collapse 316 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: on themselves. And many of them already know that what 317 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: they're doing is outlandish and outrageous and they're just trying 318 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: to garner the support that he has. But I picture 319 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: a sort of a masked deflation happening. 320 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: Then Ron DeSantis in Florida was supposed to be the 321 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: Trump apparent, right, Like the Trumpiness without the quote unquote 322 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: baggage is how he you know, made himself up to 323 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: be in the spotlight fizzled mm hmm, right, And so 324 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: I I Nikki Haley right now, still battling it out. 325 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: You know, doesn't have But you're right, they don't have 326 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: the charisma, so they can copy as much as they want, 327 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: But it's the charisma. 328 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: That people are addicted to. 329 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: They're still hanging onto his coattails, and when his coattails 330 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: are locked away, that's it. 331 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: Well, from from your lips to the heavens, uh, Suzanne Lachman, 332 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join 333 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: ok F again and will keep having you back because 334 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: they like keep being something else. 335 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: This is uh that. 336 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: Cop that we need to keep talking about. So yes, 337 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: I'm here. 338 00:25:53,800 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: I appreciate you so very much. H m hm. That 339 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: is it for me today. 340 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke A app as always power to 341 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. 342 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.