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Speaker 3: your phone calls. I'm rarely shocked in this business after

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Speaker 3: forty years, and I wasn't shocked yesterday. Was I surprised

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Speaker 3: the Ravens moved on from John Harball. I was because

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Speaker 3: the first thing I thought was what if they make

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Speaker 3: that field go and they beat the Steelers and they

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Speaker 3: go into the playoffs. Because Ian Rapaport of NFL Networks

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Speaker 3: said that John Harball had lost the locker room. Well,

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Speaker 3: would he have still lost the locker room going into

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Speaker 3: the playoffs? What if you win a playoff game, can

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Speaker 3: you win back the locker room? Was this a mutual

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Speaker 3: parting because it didn't sound like that with John Harball.

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Speaker 3: He didn't want to go, but the Ravens decided to

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Speaker 3: move on. John Harball will get a job if he

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Speaker 3: wants a job. I worked with John at the super

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Speaker 3: Bowl in Minneapolis, and he did a great job on TV.

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Speaker 3: He was well prepared and had great stories. If he

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Speaker 3: wants to go into TV. I know people have talked

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Speaker 3: about Mike Tomlin. John Harball could have that avenue if

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Speaker 3: he chooses to reach out to the networks or his agent.

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Speaker 3: But he will get a job. As soon as he

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Speaker 3: was fired, one of my sources immediately said he'll be

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Speaker 3: the giants number one candidate. He's going to have jobs

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Speaker 3: probably to pick from. Now here's the interesting part. You

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Speaker 3: had Adam Schefter yesterday say that John Harbaugh's agent within

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Speaker 3: an hour of him being fired.

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Speaker 2: I think Schefty said maybe forty five minutes.

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Speaker 3: You had all of these, like seven teams reached out

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Speaker 3: to him. Okay, well there's seven openings including the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens, of course didn't reach out to him. So

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Speaker 3: then you have to maybe look at this and go,

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Speaker 3: are there teams in the playoffs who may have reached out?

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Speaker 3: Can they reach out quietly? Third party? Because you don't

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Speaker 3: want that to get out if all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you're going wait a minute, I'm coaching a game and

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Speaker 3: they're reaching out behind my back. I'm assuming there are

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Speaker 3: coaches who think they're secure in their jobs who maybe

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Speaker 3: didn't make the playoffs. I don't know if you could

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Speaker 3: see a situation where all of a sudden, the Buffalo

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Speaker 3: might be you know, Nick Sirianni and the Eagles, if

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Speaker 3: they would get bounced, would they reach out to John Harball?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: I don't know to what depth this goes, but there

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Speaker 3: sure if you're secure because you made it through Monday,

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Speaker 3: and I think John Harball probably thought I made it

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Speaker 3: But I go back to Lamar Jackson. I tried not

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Speaker 3: be fair to Lamar Jackson. They lose the game to

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Speaker 3: and I said, wow. He could have answered that differently,

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Speaker 3: there's a cooling down period, not a long period, and

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Speaker 3: the question and Lamar's answer about John Harball.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to see John dream the coach?

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Speaker 7: I'm still trying to process what's going on. I know

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Speaker 3: All No, no, no, no, unless that's how he really felt.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to worry about John Harball. This was

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Speaker 3: a terrible loss. Here in processing this. But the easy

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Speaker 3: something going on after eighteen years, Like when they say

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Speaker 3: you lose the locker room, well, how many players are there?

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Speaker 3: Nobody's there for eighteen years. It's rare when you have,

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Speaker 3: you know, how many guys are going to be there

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Speaker 3: for five consecutive years. So you lose the locker room.

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Speaker 3: When'd you lose the locker room? And if so, who

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Speaker 3: did you lose in that locker room? Did you lose

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Speaker 3: And then you keep thinking, all right, something's up. Is

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Speaker 3: But I'm always curious when somebody loses the locker room,

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Speaker 3: what exactly does that mean? How many people are involved

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Speaker 3: in that that you lost, and what exactly did you lose?

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Speaker 3: Their confidence in you? They didn't trust him anymore, didn't

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Speaker 3: to Andy Reid, because the Eagles made a difficult decision

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Speaker 3: it felt risky and it felt maybe premature. Okay, you're

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Speaker 3: to NFC title games. So then he leaves. Eagles do prosper,

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Speaker 3: but so does Andy Reid. The Patriots with Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 3: You know, twenty four seasons, you win six titles. They're

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Speaker 3: It's what are you doing for me right now? As

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin may have found out. If Mike Tomlin lost

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Speaker 3: a mutual parting. And it feels like if you're a

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame worthy coach, it should be a mutual parting,

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Speaker 3: not fired. John Harball got fired like that in the

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Speaker 3: press release. They should say, you know what, we both

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Speaker 3: decided it was a mutual parting. It wasn't a mutual

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Speaker 3: party because John Harball did not want to go. But

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Speaker 3: they got a really good owner at front office has

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Speaker 3: been great, they draft well, great fan base. They've had

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Speaker 3: three head coaches, and now they must know who they're getting.

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Speaker 3: Because I've said this before. I even said it on Monday,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's enough worthy candidates for all

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Speaker 3: these openings. Well, Kevin Stefanski's getting a job, and John

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Speaker 3: Harball is getting a job, and we don't even know

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Speaker 3: the other jobs that may become available here in the

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Speaker 3: next week or so. Now, you can't hire somebody right away.

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Speaker 3: The giants can't say John Harball, you're our guy. You

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Speaker 3: have to go through the process, the Rooney rule. You

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Speaker 3: have to do your interviews. But they can let his

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Speaker 3: agent know we want you, we're going to hire you.

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Speaker 3: You tell us what your price is so you can

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Speaker 3: get ahead of the game behind the curtain here. But

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Speaker 3: there's going to be maybe one or two other openings

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Speaker 3: From what I was told last night that might surprise you.

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Speaker 3: I talked about chaos in college football. My soord said,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be chaos, you know, in the off season.

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Speaker 2: Well it is. I didn't know we would.

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Speaker 3: Get chaos like this with the NFL and we haven't

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Speaker 3: even started the playoffs yet. Crazy eight seven seven three

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Speaker 3: DP show Seaton Poll question for hour one is going

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Speaker 3: to be, what's.

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Speaker 2: In a better position right now?

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Speaker 8: Jim Harbaugh excuse me John Harbaugh or the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: I would say John Harbaugh because he might be able

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Speaker 3: to pick where he wants to go get a fresh start.

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Speaker 3: You go to the Giants, you know a lot of

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Speaker 3: talent there, and once again, there could what if? What

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Speaker 3: if this here's and this is crazy, maybe it's too crazy.

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Speaker 3: What if Mike Tomlin and the Steelers part ways and

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Speaker 2: Is that crazy?

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Speaker 9: As a theory? It's great, but it's hard to picture.

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Speaker 9: I know, But are you not supposed to do that?

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Speaker 9: But you've been fired so there's no loyalty anymore. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 9: he has no loyalty there.

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Speaker 3: But I just I'm starting to wonder here what scenarios

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Steelers and Ravens has trade coaches?

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 2: Could have done that?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can't do that this week, as Mike's got

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Speaker 3: a game coming up this weekend. But you you know,

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Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur with the Packers feels weird and his contract

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Speaker 3: has been, you know, kind of hanging there. And you know,

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Speaker 3: what were they nine seven and one? What if they

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Speaker 3: beat what if they don't beat the Bears? This weekend,

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Speaker 3: So I didn't you know. Once again, you just start

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Speaker 3: to speculate here of the possible scenarios. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: shocked that John got fired from the Ravens after eighteen years.

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Speaker 3: But it feels like, all right, we know who we

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Speaker 3: always bring in the opposite of what you had before,

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Speaker 3: So who are you bringing in? What is that personality? Yes,

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Speaker 3: Marvin Dan, it's the parting of ways. Oh that's right, sanitizing, yeah,

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Speaker 3: parting of ways, yes, Todd.

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Speaker 2: What if the Bills lose badly at the Jaguars.

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Speaker 9: What if the Eagles do poorly against the Niners?

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Speaker 10: What is the coaching situation for McDermot and Sirianni after

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Speaker 10: something like that happened.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a fair question to ask. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It feels like Sirianni should get a Hall pass if

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Speaker 3: they would happen to lose. But it that's another one

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Speaker 3: that feels weird. If Buffalo gets roughed up.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't like change for change sake, and it felt

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Speaker 3: like Baltimore was changed for change, like we have to change.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who we're getting, but you know we're

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Speaker 3: gonna change, yes, Mark, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to see John the coach.

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Speaker 7: You you asked me about next year, Jamison. I'm so

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Speaker 5: Do you want to see John to me and the

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Speaker 7: You ask me about next year? Jamison, I'm so caught

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Speaker 5: I know we lost a butt, but you know that's all.

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Speaker 12: Just because Lamar Jackson's the face of this franchise and

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Speaker 3: Phone losing the locker room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what does that mean? Is that a real story.

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Speaker 12: If John Harball lost the locker room, they would have

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Speaker 4: Now? Yeah, that's my knee jerk reaction.

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Speaker 5: You just can't.

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Speaker 4: And this is a special teams guy.

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Speaker 12: Against the green, you don't follow the masses, you don't

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Speaker 3: Well there's Clint, Clint Kubianc, There's Chris Shue, like, there's

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Speaker 12: I think they're looking for a coach, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 4: And he.

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Speaker 12: As this team goes, as Lamar goes, this team goes.

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Speaker 12: So I think that is going to be the priority.

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Speaker 12: And as much as I think the Ravens now become

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Speaker 12: is the number one candidate out there for a guy

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Speaker 12: who changed the culture here with the Ravens, who turned

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Speaker 12: this team from yeah, a you know, good playoff team

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Speaker 12: under Billock, you know, but they have you know, kind

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Speaker 12: of gone off the off the tracks a little bit.

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Speaker 12: He turned them into a perennial Super Bowl contender. And

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Speaker 12: I mean you look at his resume as being and

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Speaker 12: he's adapted over the years. He'll acknowledge that he is

446
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Speaker 12: a players coach. I've talked to players. They say he

447
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Speaker 12: has his best when UH, you know, it's the it's

448
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Speaker 12: tough times. So I think he would relish the chance

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Speaker 12: to go to UH a New York Giants team that

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Speaker 12: has a lot of good players, a great roster. But

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Speaker 12: I also think there could be some teams out there

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Speaker 12: that have had coaches. Yeah, maybe maybe Miami Dolphins where

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Speaker 12: he could go there as well. I think John har

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Speaker 12: Ball being available changes everything. It changes even teams that

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Speaker 12: have here. It just changes the coaching search immediately.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 3: The thing that really kind of surprised me with Lamar's

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Speaker 3: non answer when you asked the question was nobody has

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Speaker 3: had his back more than John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 4: Did without doubt, but without doubt.

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Speaker 2: But it felt like there was a disconnect at some point.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and I will say, Dan, I mean, like you said,

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Speaker 12: no one has had the back of Lamar more than

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Speaker 12: John Harrorball. I mean you go back to that two

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Speaker 12: thousand and nineteen playoff game, I'm sorry, twenty eighteen playoff game,

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Speaker 12: Lamar's first playoff game, and he's struggling, and Joe Flacco

467
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Speaker 12: is on the sideline and there's fans chanting, chanton Flacco. Flaco,

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Speaker 12: put this guy back in there. You're super Bowl Aquidning,

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Speaker 12: and he didn't. He stayed with Lamar, and I think

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Speaker 12: that was a big turning point not only for this franchise,

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Speaker 12: but also the relationship of Lamar and and Harball. And

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Speaker 12: I think they had a good relationship. I think for

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Speaker 12: John he was kind of the middle guy between where

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Speaker 12: there was some friction between UH Lamar Jackson, uh and

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Speaker 12: some of the coaching staff as well. And I think

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Speaker 12: he was the middle guy, and I think he tried

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Speaker 12: to hold it together as well as he could. But

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Speaker 12: at a certain point, and someone told me, there's a

479
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Speaker 12: certain shelf life when you're coaching Lamar Jackson and this

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Speaker 12: coaching staff reached the end of.

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Speaker 3: It if the Steelers had lost. Finish that sentence with

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I mean that's a very interesting question because

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Speaker 12: I mean, you got the two you know, tenyre coaches

485
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Speaker 12: in the NFL, and and John Harball was even asked

486
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Speaker 12: about that kind of Mike Tomlin and and him, will

487
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Speaker 12: this game be a referendum on you're kind of both

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Speaker 12: of your your your coaching, your job securities for both coaches, and.

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Speaker 2: And I got Tomlin was on the hot seat.

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Speaker 12: James, Yeah, I mean Harpball gave a great quote. He

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Speaker 12: quoted Billy Jean King, the Tennis Hall of Famer, said,

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Speaker 12: you know what, pressure is a privilege, and it's a

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Speaker 12: privilege to be on the hot seat because it means

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Speaker 12: you know what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Something that you love.

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Speaker 12: And so I will say this about John Harball that

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Speaker 12: for a guy that has been around for almost two

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Speaker 12: decades and was kind of being asked some tough questions

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Speaker 12: about his job over the last two weeks, he handled

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Speaker 12: it very very well. And someone told me yesterday after

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Speaker 12: the news had kind of broken that John Harball is

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Speaker 12: at peace with this decision and he kind of feels

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Speaker 12: that it's good to be a reset forenomenally for the franchise,

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Speaker 12: but for him as well.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff. I know you're busy, Thanks for taking time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Dan really appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 3: Jamison Hensley ESPN Ravens reporter since twenty thirteen. Been in

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Speaker 3: the building for over a couple of decades. There you

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Speaker 3: get a feel when you're around a team on a

510
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Speaker 3: daily basis. It's amazing. And you talk to reporters and

511
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Speaker 3: they know because you know body language, what you hear,

512
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Speaker 3: how you hear it, the enthusiasm lack thereof like there,

513
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Speaker 3: there's just there's something that's there that sometimes nothing needs

514
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Speaker 3: to be said, but you get a sense and maybe

515
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Speaker 3: there was a malaise that was kind of hanging over

516
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Speaker 3: these you know, this franchise there and you can sense that.

517
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you get excited, like I worry about that. I

518
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Speaker 3: worried about that with this show where we've been together

519
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Speaker 3: for a couple of decades, and you want to make

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Speaker 3: sure every day. That's why I always say, and you

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Speaker 3: guys joke, every day is a super Bowl, like I

522
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Speaker 3: want to reinvigorate. I always want to make sure that

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Speaker 3: we approach that next day the same way as we

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Speaker 3: did the day before. There's no off days. You know,

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Speaker 3: every interview is important like that. That's on your mind

526
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Speaker 3: if you're leading people, you're coaching people, managing people, and

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Speaker 3: sometimes you forget about it or you take each other

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Speaker 3: for granted, and that can happen certainly. I remember the

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Speaker 3: Laker player just said, you know, we had tuned out

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Speaker 3: pat Riley, and I said, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: He said, we just got tired of the same message. Well,

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Speaker 3: the team had been together and there's only you know,

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Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen players. It's different than a football team.

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Speaker 3: But you can grow tired of a basketball coach quicker

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Speaker 3: than a football coach professionally, in my opinion, because it's constant,

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Speaker 3: and with football there's a lot of credit and blamed

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Speaker 3: to go around. There's fifty three players, if not more

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Speaker 3: with the practice squad. But with basketball, I just remember,

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Speaker 3: here's pat Riley, but Ryle's worked them hard.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Marv, No, I was with you, absolutely, I was

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Speaker 10: just not in my head like you had it all head.

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Speaker 4: Okay, pat Riley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure the Celtics tuned out Red Arbach or

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Speaker 3: the Packers tuned out Vince Lombardi. Now after a while,

545
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Speaker 3: you know, the famous quote of Lombardi might have been

546
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Speaker 3: Paul Horning who said it. You know, he treats everybody

547
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Speaker 3: the same, like dogs, like yep, you know, even Mike Krzyzewski.

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Speaker 3: When I got to see one of his practices, I

549
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Speaker 3: was like, wow, I don't know if I could stay

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Speaker 3: four years, not that he would want me to stay,

551
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Speaker 3: but four years. And you're hearing that because coach k

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Speaker 3: in practice and that's when they're playing for national championships.

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Speaker 3: But he learned from Bob Knight. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: you could survive Bob Knight, not for four years, Yes, Marv, that's.

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Speaker 4: Why Isaiah Thomas was only there for two.

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Speaker 3: Yes, probably should have left after one year, although he

557
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Speaker 3: got a national championship.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, sometimes it just runs its course though. Yeah,

559
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Speaker 8: his seventeen years is a long time, long time. That's

560
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Speaker 8: a really long time. Sometimes it's just a little stale.

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Speaker 8: Maybe we need to shake things up. It's been a

562
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Speaker 8: good run. Let's just get some new energy in here

563
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Speaker 8: in New Blood.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Paully, And it's almost like you need an opportunity

565
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Speaker 9: to move on because John Harbaugh hasn't given many opportunities.

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Speaker 9: Six of the last eight years they were in the playoffs.

567
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Speaker 9: Six of the last eight years they won eleven plus games,

568
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Speaker 9: and this year their defense was ranked eighteenth. That's an anomaly.

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Speaker 9: They've been a top nine defense or top five actually,

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Speaker 9: eight of the last nine years.

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Speaker 3: But the ESPN reporter was saying, even if this was

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Speaker 3: a foregone conclusion in his opinion, if they won that

573
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Speaker 3: game against the Steelers, if they won a playoff game,

574
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Speaker 3: like how crazy is that. Let's say you get on

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Speaker 3: a run and all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: You go to the NFC title game, Well, you go

577
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Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. Does he lose the locker room? Yes, Marv.

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Speaker 10: Even with guys like Bobby Knight and Bill Belichick where

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Speaker 10: they might be hard on their players and hard on

580
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Speaker 10: the organization, you know what, we're tired of this because

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Speaker 10: you're not producing like you used to. We put up

582
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Speaker 10: with it because you were producing winning results.

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Speaker 3: If you know, you're playing for championships. And that's the

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Speaker 3: common theme with these coaches. I brought up Lombardi. You're coaching,

585
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Speaker 3: you're playing in championship games. Bob Knight, you're playing in

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Speaker 3: big games. Mike Krzyzewski in big games, Bill Parcells in

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Speaker 3: big games.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's the difference.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're playing and your team isn't any good,

590
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Speaker 3: but your coach is just.

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Speaker 2: All over you, You're like, damn, we need to change. Yes, Pauling,

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Speaker 2: I went back.

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Speaker 9: And looked at Lamar Jackson's stats and it's fascinating. He'll

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Speaker 9: have an MVP season. They don't have a nice year

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Speaker 9: for him, good for anybody else the past two years.

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Speaker 9: You know, last year he had forty one touchdowns and

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Speaker 9: four picks. You kind of forget about that. That's like,

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Speaker 9: that's like peek Aaron Rodgers passing stats and then this

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Speaker 9: year is twenty one touchdowns, seven picks.

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Speaker 2: It was just benign and he's not running as much.

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Speaker 3: And look, this happens that this happens with mobile quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: that after a while you're just like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna run less. I'm gonna make a concerted effort

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Speaker 3: to run less. And this will happen to Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: at some point in his career. But all of these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: at some point you go, I need to preserve myself. Oh,

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Speaker 3: you guys don't think that Josh Allen's capable of not

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Speaker 3: running as much. I still think that he'll He'll be opportunistic.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you run because you've made one read and then

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Speaker 3: you tuck the ball and go. Steve Young talked about

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Speaker 3: that when he was first coming up with Tampa Bay,

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Speaker 3: even the Niners. It'd be like, it's not there, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to take off and run. You know, as you

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Speaker 3: learn the game, you know, you go through your progressions

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Speaker 3: and then maybe you'll run less. Remember Lamar Jackson, he

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Speaker 3: couldn't throw. All the critics, oh he can't throw, I said, no,

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Speaker 3: he can't throw the way you want him to throw.

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Speaker 3: As a perfect pocket passer, he can throw. He threw

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Speaker 3: forty one touchdowns. Yes see, Polly, I'm.

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Speaker 9: Looking at Lamar Jackson's running stats. Four years ago, he

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Speaker 9: averaged eleven running attempts per game. This year it was

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Speaker 9: five point two, by far, the lowest of his career.

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Speaker 9: You know, here's a question I would love to know.

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Speaker 9: Was he told to do that? Was he told to

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Speaker 9: do that by the offensive coordinator? And was that part

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Speaker 9: of the problem.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the offensive coordinator would say that to

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Speaker 3: Lamar jacks It.

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Speaker 9: Felt like there was very much less in the read

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Speaker 9: option play this year. Again, I don't watch every Ravens

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Speaker 9: I think.

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Speaker 3: I think just trying to prevent trying to be on

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Speaker 3: the field. It happens to all these quarterbacks. After a while,

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Speaker 3: you just go, yeah, well.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there is constant pressure for mobile quarterbacks to stop

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Speaker 8: running so much. That is sort of a constant narrative.

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Speaker 8: By the way, I just wanted to give you a

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Speaker 8: quick shout out for saying perfect pocket.

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Speaker 2: Passer so easily. That's not easy to do. I just

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Speaker 2: it didn't go unnoticed. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Once again. Every day is a super Bowl, all right,

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Speaker 2: come on, let's go. Come on, who's with me?

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Speaker 4: Let's do it?

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Speaker 2: I ordered, I ordered breakfast burrito. That's should have done.

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Speaker 3: Breakfast burritos. Brothers, let's take a break. Our play of

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Speaker 3: Of the day of the day, shut this out?

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Speaker 4: Issues has it.

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Speaker 2: For three?

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Speaker 3: That's five can executive games with at least thirty Lakers

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Speaker 3: have won three in a row. Courtesy of Spectrum Sportsnet.

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Speaker 3: That's your play of the day. Have you ever used

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Speaker 3: dry toilet paper?

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Speaker 2: Wondering? Is this as good as it gets?

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Speaker 3: It's not switched to life changing wet extra large flushable

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Speaker 3: dude wipes because wedder just got better. Dude wipes, best clean,

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Speaker 3: hands down, whole results seating from the first.

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Speaker 8: Hour, Yeah, we got up there right now. Who is

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Speaker 8: in a better position today? John Harbaugh or the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 8: Early results have John Harbaugh running away with this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Cody in California, Hi, Cody?

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Speaker 11: Hey more Boys five seven one seats. So you know,

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Speaker 11: I'm a nine to Sam Marv bank Bank nine, a gang,

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Speaker 11: but I kind of can relate because you know, we

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Speaker 11: got we got the same situation. I feel like often

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Speaker 11: here and knowing uh, the Niners in Shanahan, you know,

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Speaker 11: he gets a lot of credit for And don't get

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Speaker 11: me wrong, I love having a dog in a fight

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Speaker 11: every year.

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Speaker 3: Uh, thank you, Cody Kyle. Shanahan's a great coach. Great coach.

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Speaker 3: You're lucky he did a great job this year with

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Speaker 3: your team. Chris and Syracuse, Hi, Chris, Hey.

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Speaker 14: Thanks Dan. A couple of things to throw at you. Hey,

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Speaker 14: if you guys get a chance, listen to the Auburn

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Speaker 14: play by play guy. They hit a long three pointer

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Speaker 14: to win at the buzzer and they went bomkers and

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Speaker 14: then it ended up being negated on a video review.

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Speaker 14: And I wonder, with John Harbaugh's availability, if that'll create

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Speaker 14: a Black Wednesday. And if I were Aaron Glenn, I'd

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Speaker 14: turn off my phone. And I thought I heard somebody

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Speaker 14: say last night that the Ravens wanted to get rid

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Speaker 14: of one of their coordinators and Harbaugh would not co

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Speaker 14: sign on it. And I think the Ravens should go

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Speaker 14: after Stefanski. He certainly knows the AFC North and was

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Speaker 14: a two time Coach of the Year well in the

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Speaker 14: AFC North. And look Mark Jackson, he's only twenty eight,

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Speaker 14: has never had an offensive minded head coach. And I'm

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Speaker 14: sure Stefanski would relish staying in the division and having

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Speaker 14: a shot at sticking to his former employer twice a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not far fetched at all. Stefanski is going

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Speaker 3: to get a job. John Harball will get a job.

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Speaker 3: But then you want to know, or we want to

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Speaker 3: know some of these. Is Brian Flores going to get

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Speaker 3: a job? Is he going to get the Raiders job?

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Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury, that was surprising. Now, I don't know. That

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Speaker 3: might have been a mutual party and maybe Cliff thought

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Speaker 3: and it felt like there was once again another disconnect

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Speaker 3: going on between head coach and his coordinators. But to

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Speaker 3: have both leave after you have Jayden Daniels by all accounts,

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Speaker 3: the best young quarterback and all of a sudden, Cliff

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Speaker 3: Kingsbury is on the outside looking in. But maybe he thought, hey,

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Speaker 3: I can get another head coaching job. I'd like to

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Speaker 3: try this one more time, and I'm going to go.

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Speaker 3: And I don't have any insight into any of these.

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Speaker 3: You know, certainly what went on with the Ravens now

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Speaker 3: i'd heard as well that you know, Harball was not

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Speaker 3: going to fire his offensive coordinator Todd Monkin. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know if that led to, you know, the mutual

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Speaker 3: parting here. And I don't know what happened with the commanders.

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Speaker 3: All I know is what you know, what we've read.

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Speaker 3: Let's see Andrew in Washington. Hi, Andrew, Good morning Dan.

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Speaker 13: Then it's last time saying it Happy New Year, you know,

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Speaker 13: losing a locker room. It can be characterized by different things,

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Speaker 13: I guess, and we've seen them from the Ravens. Drops passes,

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Speaker 13: less effort, miss field goals, in questionable coaching decisions. It's

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Speaker 13: not exactly you know, you know they're not going to

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Speaker 13: listen to him anymore. But like you said with pat Riley,

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Speaker 13: they just tuned out the message. You know, John Harbaugh

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Speaker 13: was forty five years old when he was hired. He's

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Speaker 13: now sixty three. Not much of your base, you know,

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Speaker 13: beliefs and and systems and ways you go about things

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Speaker 13: are going to change between those eighteen years of life.

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Speaker 13: Between forty five and sixty three for anybody. So yeah,

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Speaker 13: it probably got old and stale and he needed to

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Speaker 13: move on. It doesn't mean that he's not a good

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Speaker 13: coach for a new group, but it just meant for

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Speaker 13: this group it was it was time to go.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 13: You got to remember back in October we had the

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Speaker 13: whole like, oh they had the games taken out of

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Speaker 13: the locker room type of deal and without John Harbaugh

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Speaker 13: and Lamar Jackson. To me, so, I mean there were

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Speaker 13: things going on in the background in that, but he

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Speaker 13: will be highly regarded. I don't know why he would

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Speaker 13: want to go to Miami though, that's a worse situation

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Speaker 13: to go to. He can have the pick of the

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Speaker 13: crop for him. So again, these these franchises need to

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Speaker 13: realize are they firing somebody just to get somebody less

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Speaker 13: or do they have somebody more in mind?

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Speaker 4: So that was my thing on that.

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Speaker 13: But with Fernando Mendoza and Kurt Signetti now out there

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Speaker 13: as a sort of story, why isn't anybody saying about

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Speaker 13: Dion primetimes Andrews to the Brown coaches Son Shador.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's not going to happen. You know, Dion

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Speaker 3: is got to decide, you know, is he healthy enough

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Speaker 3: to continue at Colorado. I mean that that story was

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Speaker 3: under the radar. They didn't play well, but it was

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Speaker 3: about his health. But yeah, Cleveland is not going to

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Speaker 3: bring in Dion. I don't know if Cleveland is going

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Speaker 3: to stay with Shadoor Sanders. So now you're going to

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Speaker 3: bring in Dion? What if you know, all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden Shador doesn't play well and he's not your starter,

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Speaker 3: And how's that going to go over? That's not a

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Speaker 3: situation where I would want to put a team in.

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Speaker 3: Chris Shula. According to bet Online, he is opened up

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Speaker 3: as the favorite. He is the grandson of former Colt's

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Speaker 3: head coach Don Shula. Right now the favorite Chris Shula.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Minter, defensive coordinator with the Chargers, is second. Then

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Speaker 3: it's Cliff Kingsbury, Ryan Flores, Kevin Stefanski, and Clint Kubiak.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Mark say, former cult head coach Don Shule, like

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Speaker 10: he didn't coach anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is Baltimore. It's the Baltimore Ravens, Baltimore Colts.

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Speaker 3: You see what I did with that, Marvin? I guess, yeah,

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Speaker 3: no one knew he like he was in Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: How many people knew he coached the Colts.

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Speaker 9: I did also at a stint in Miami.

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Speaker 3: Dan Arlovsky's Gonna join Us coming up hour two on

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Speaker 3: the way right after this