1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: All right, so this week's adult education looks a little different. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: I've got Kristen next to me because my other half 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: is in London, so we are recording this with my 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 2: girl Kab and thanks for having me. 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: You're welcome. 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: Are you gonna have a Scottish accent on this one? 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: I don't do well with that, but I do. I 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: am learning the rules. 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Of football football football. 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: Yes, well that's a good start. I have nothing to 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: say that. But we have such a fun guest on today. 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: His name is Peter Fretchanelli. He is an actor and 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: he is in a new movie. You might have seen 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: him in Twilight, but he's got a new movie out 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: called The Unbreakable Boy, exclusively in theaters now. It's a 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: beautiful story about a boy named Austin zach Levi stars 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: in it. It's about this little boy who is autism 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: and has brital bone disease. Let's get Peter on. 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Jana, this is Kristen. 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 3: Hi. 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: How are you. 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: I'm doing it wonderful. It's cold in New York, but 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: I'm inside so well. 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: We have a snow day today. So our kids are 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: home from school. 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: Where are you. 28 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: We're in Nashville. 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: Oh wonderful. 30 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: So like everything shuts down when it snows here. But 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: we're both Michigan girls, so we're like, we got this. 32 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: The show must go on always. Yeah, we have pre 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: salted one inches of snow and has canceled everything. Everybody 34 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: is in a panic here and can't get anywhere. 35 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: Apparently I'm from New York too, so I love snow days. 36 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: Oh you are from New York. Okay, I didn't know that. 37 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Love that. 38 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: Okay. Well, first and foremost, we watched the movie, and 39 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: what a beautiful film, first of all, but the behind 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: the scenes story of it is great because you actually 41 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: met the real Zachary Levi in person, right, And yeah, well. 42 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: This story is that's kind of crazy. My brother in law, 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: Leon owns a pharmacy in New York City, Okay, called 44 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: Pastor Pharmacy and shout outs at Pastor Pharmacy. And so 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 3: Scott walked in there. He's looking for at shaving stuff 46 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: because my brother in law is a cool like selection 47 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: of shaving stuff. And then and then they got to 48 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 3: talking and he started talking about this book that he wrote, 49 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: and Leon said Oh, that's cool. My brother in law 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: is in the movie business. You should you should link 51 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: up with him. He maybe he can make it into 52 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: a movie. And so Leon called me and said, hey, Pete, 53 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: this guy walked into my story. He wrote a book. 54 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: Sounds cool. You should make it into a movie. 55 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: How many times, as actors have you heard that too? 56 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? All the time? 57 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: Twelve times a day like this joke. You should make 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: it into a movie. My grandfather get so I didn't 59 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: think anything of it, but he said he's coming out 60 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: to La next week. I told him you'd have lunch 61 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: with him. 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Also, how often does this happen? 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: Well? I was kind of annoyed because I was like, 64 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: why did you tell this perfect stranger lunch with them? 65 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Like time is precious with kids. 66 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 4: Well, it's really hard to shepherd a book into a movie, 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: Like it's it's hard enough to get people to read 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 4: a script. I think I gave the book to my 69 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: agents and it set in his mailbox for like six months. 70 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: And it was like, get read that book. He was like, 71 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: did you give it to me? It's like it's in 72 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: your mailbox. Anyway. I sat down with Scott and I 73 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: had read the book because I knew I was having 74 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: lunch with him, and I was just going to give 75 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: him advice because I thought, oh, this is a cool 76 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: story and and and so for the first like six months, 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: I was just giving him advice because I wanted to 78 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: see it on screen myself. You know, I thought this 79 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: is a cool book, really really beautiful story. And you know, 80 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: I didn't have any you know, I wasn't interested in 81 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: taking it on in time. I had a lot of 82 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: stuff on my plate. But and I produced, but it 83 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: was something I was looking for. But I was giving 84 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: him advice to help him. And then six months later 85 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: he had some producers on that fell off and he said, well, 86 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: maybe you could help me produce it. And I thought 87 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: about it. It's as big of as a thing it 88 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: is to take on to get people to read a book. 89 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: I just wanted to see it on screen because it 90 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: was just so beautiful. So I stepped in and uh, 91 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 3: you know, I would have meetings and I would always 92 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: pitch it where I thought it was appropriate. And not 93 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: too long later, I found a company called Kingdom Story 94 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: that came on board really understood what we were trying 95 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: to do, understood the story, and uh, and they had 96 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: a deal with lions Gate, and then we talked to Lionsgate. 97 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: Then we were able to put a beautiful cast together. 98 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: John Gunn came along to write the script, and you know, 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 3: this is this is development. It could take years and 100 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: years for this to happen, but it was happening very 101 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 3: fast and uh and then COVID happened and everything was 102 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: shut down, and a weird way, it worked in our 103 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: favor because it was a small, intimate movie with with 104 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: a handful of casts. And zacly I b I had 105 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: a big football movie he was doing and they couldn't 106 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: make that one because there was just too many people, 107 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: too high of a risk for people getting sick. And 108 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: Linzi said, we why don't we move this one up 109 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: and see if we could make this as an experiment 110 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: and make sure no one gets sick, and then maybe 111 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: we could do other ones. So we were the only 112 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: film actually filming in twenty twenty. There was mission impossible 113 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: shooting overseas, but we were the only studio film shooting 114 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: in the US. So it was such a blessing that 115 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: we were able to put people to work at that time. 116 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: Nobody got sick. We made a beautiful movie, and then 117 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 3: it was supposed to come out in twenty twenty two 118 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: and there was another round of COVID that wiped out 119 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: like a bunch of theaters that they all shut down 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: because they were worried about the Omni crown of virus 121 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: at the time. And so we lions Gate believed in 122 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: the film enough to pull it because we had posters up, 123 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: we were really excited. We were going to go. And 124 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: then it sat for a little while they were trying 125 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: to figure out should we put it straight to streaming 126 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: because people are home, you know, are people still going 127 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: to the theaters? But lions Gate believed that enough to 128 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: put it out there in theaters wide. And I'm so 129 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: proud of this film. I'm proud of the message that 130 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: it has. I feels like it's coming at the right 131 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: time because I feel like the world kind of needs 132 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: a beautiful, inspiring movie right now, full of love and 133 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: a message of hope and resilience and faith. And yeah, 134 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: I'm super proud of the journey of it all. 135 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: Were you always set to play the pastor or were 136 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: you did you ever want to play the lead? Dad? 137 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: No, I felt like I wasn't quite right for the 138 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: lead of Scott. So I was looking for someone that 139 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: could fill those shoes. And then I was just going 140 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: to produce it and not be in it. I mean, 141 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: for me, it's like I'm not in my career at 142 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: a place where I'm like, I want to do this 143 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: to service me. I always see where I could service 144 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: the story. So sometimes I write things and I'm in them. 145 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll write and produce and either if there's something 146 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: where I can jump in and it benefit fits the story, 147 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: then I'll do it. I mean I've directed three films, 148 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: uh and and one of them I was the lead 149 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: in because it felt right. The other one I played 150 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: a smaller role because it didn't feel like right, and 151 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: and the first one I wasn't in at all. So 152 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: so this film I was just interested in producing. I 153 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: had other things going on, and then Zach came on 154 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: board and this other role when when John Gunn wrote it, uh, 155 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: you know, there was a there was a role there 156 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: with the preacher, and I thought, well, that's that's fun 157 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: and I could jump in and do that one and 158 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: it feels like a service is that role and the story? 159 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? I love that is your favorite hat to wear 160 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: right now? 161 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: Producer director, actor, if you could pick one, are you 162 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: just kind of floating between and like the versatility that 163 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: you have in all of it? 164 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: Really whatever? For me? I mean, I don't have a favorite. 165 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: It's like, I love acting. I'll always love acting. I 166 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: think directing I really enjoy as well, because that's you 167 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: get full. That's that's an movies and TV or a 168 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: director's medium. You get, you know, to collaborate with all 169 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: the parts. You know, it's like you're painting and everybody's 170 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: there to facilitate your painting. And that's a beautiful thing. 171 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: And as an actor, you're just a cog in someone 172 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: else's wheel. But it's also forms of storytelling. So for me, 173 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: as an actor, I tell the story as that character 174 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: using my body, my voice, and I'm a part of 175 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: a bigger thing, a cog in the wheel. And as 176 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: a writer, I'm just helping to create that story. So 177 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: it's kind of fun to write because you're it's like 178 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: you're it's like playing god. You're like, and then Jimmy 179 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: gets hit by a bus. I like Jimmy. Jimmy nearly 180 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 3: gets hit by a bus. 181 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: Well. 182 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because there was this big piece 183 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: going around about how like, I mean, that's the Blake 184 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: Lively thing. But she was saying like, oh, she likes 185 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: to put her hands in everything, and I'm like, as 186 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: an actor, like I think you should. Like I the 187 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: last movie I did in January, it was like, I 188 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: just don't know if she would say this, like can 189 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: we tweet? It's like, I think there should be a 190 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: collaborate a collaborative thing, you know, not obviously, and but 191 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: being mindful of I was like, but I totally understand 192 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: it's your movie, and like you wrote this and you're 193 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: so passionate about it. I just like, can we This 194 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: might not make sense to like, I don't know. And 195 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: so I think I think it's okay to be able 196 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: to to kind of have that voice because for so 197 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: long in the beginning, I'm like I never said anything 198 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: and then I just did it because I was just 199 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: like the puppet that went to the place. But now 200 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: it's like, well, no, I feel like I've got a 201 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: little bit more insight to want to like have some 202 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: you know ideas. 203 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as long as it's done respectfully. I'm 204 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: always respectful. But for me, it's like if I'm writing 205 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: something that I'm writing, then that's mine if I come 206 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: on board, like like this movie that John Gunn wrote, 207 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: Unbreakable Boy, I didn't come in with any ideas of 208 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 3: like I'm going to rewrite your stuff. 209 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, for sure, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, 210 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 211 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: Writing or take over other other people's stuff. It's like 212 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: if there's they're definitely collaboration, like, hey, maybe maybe this 213 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: would be more fun this way. But I'm always respectful 214 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: because I direct as well, and I would never want 215 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: somebody kind of taking over my stuff. 216 00:09:59,240 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: So for sure. 217 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 3: Uh. But as a director, I'm also very collaborative, So 218 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: if it's a better idea, I'm all for, you know, uh, 219 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: a very collaborative medium for sure, you know, and as 220 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: a director and as a writer, and I and I 221 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: love actors who you know, if if they say something 222 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: that's more interesting than what I wrote, than great, and 223 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: if my writing is working, then let's go back to that, 224 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: you know, so full rewrite. 225 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: So no, that's where that's where it's a little too much. 226 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't see you mean that type. 227 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 2: I know mine was like and yeah, I think she 228 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: would actually maybe cry here instead. 229 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: I know, you also play the role of dad. 230 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: You're a full time reigning champ as a dad and 231 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: when you're doing because this is a really I've had 232 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: to put myself in a very emotional spot. I'm a 233 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: mom of three, jan as a mom of three, So 234 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: the storyline is and in a lot of ways too, 235 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: there's like this, I don't know how much I'm allowed 236 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: to say, but there is now but without the spoilers, yes, yeah, yeah, 237 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: but you know, like there is this like undertone of 238 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: alcoholism or addiction, which also hits home to me too. 239 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: So when you're doing this and you're a dad, are 240 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: you is it. 241 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: Does it play a really important role then on your 242 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: dad role, does it start to work its way into 243 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: the way that you parent seeing this story unfold? Because 244 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: it feels to me from what you've described already, it's 245 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: a pretty anointed story that it's made its way from 246 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: pastor pharmacy pastor of pharmacy, is that what it's called 247 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: in New York City all the way to the big 248 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: screen and now we're all able to watch it. I 249 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: mean that's a lot of stories. Never make it past 250 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: a guy saying in Aisle five, I've got a book 251 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: and you show read. Yeah, So does it feel then 252 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: when you're taking on this, you know, such a mastermind 253 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: behind all of this too, and working all the pieces 254 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: and bringing it to life. Do you see that fold 255 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: over into the way that you parent and the way 256 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: that you're taking in life and people's I mean to me, 257 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: it feels like a life changing kind of movie to 258 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: be a part of. 259 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. It's 260 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: life imitating art, art imitating life. So for me, like 261 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: the reason why I was I read this book and 262 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: connected with it because Scott Lorette, who it's based on, 263 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: was a dad who felt like he was failing miserably 264 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: and didn't know how to parent his autistic son and 265 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: felt like he's he's not doing a good job. And 266 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: then he turns to alcohol, and he turns to addiction 267 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: because he's just like lost. And then he realizes his 268 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: son has more to teach him about love and life 269 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: than he could possibly teach him. And so there's this 270 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: wonderful give and take when you have kids where you're 271 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: there to guide them, but there's there's lessons they teach 272 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: you along the way as well. So I find it's 273 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 3: the same with film, Like I was inspired by that 274 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: being a dad inspired by a man who is resilient 275 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: enough to face his demons and then and then become 276 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: a better parent and realize that his son taught him 277 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: these wonderful things about life. And then I look at 278 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: that the same way with movies too, you know, Like 279 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: so that movie I was inspired by, and then as 280 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: the movie was made, it also inspired me. You'd like 281 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: to be a better dead. So like I try to 282 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: be more patient and try to be more in the 283 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 3: moment with my kids because of the lessons I learned 284 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 3: from that film. But I find that with all characters, 285 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: you know, you bring a lot of yourself to it, 286 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: and then you also learn a lot from it. And 287 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: so as I'm doing a movie, it's it's pretty much 288 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: a give and take in that respect as well. 289 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: So I come from well, I divorced a co parent 290 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: to kids with my ex. You have done a beautiful job. 291 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: I mean you welcomed Jenny in from the fires, right, 292 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: that's the remember seeing that and I follow Jenny. We 293 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: actually do a podcast together too, And how you guys 294 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: have co parented is a beautiful thing. 295 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: What you know, there's I. 296 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: Have days where it's great, days where it's really hard. 297 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 2: What is your best advice for co parenting parents out 298 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: there when it gets tough, look. 299 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: Far for me to give advice. It's everyone has their 300 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: own journey. I got to a really great place with 301 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: Jenny recently, you know, and we had our ups and 302 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: we had our downs. And there's the hard thing about 303 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: co parent thing I think is, you know, you have 304 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: different ideologies and different beliefs sometimes than the other co parent, 305 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: and so how do you how do you navigate that? 306 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: You know? But I find that communication is definitely key. 307 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: It's hard because sometimes you're like, I don't want to 308 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: talk to them, but like you you have to. Communication 309 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: is always better than texting or you know, an email 310 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: because there's a lot that you know, you can read 311 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: into in an email and a text. So so just 312 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: verbally talking is good and letting go and being being 313 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: there for the kids and like for us, you know, 314 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: we got to a really beautiful place recently, and like 315 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: I consider her a really good friend. Like she just 316 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: literally texted me the other day, no today, actually, she 317 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: texted me said, hey, when's your movie coming? I said Friday. 318 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: She said, good luck with it. She said, I want 319 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: me to post on social media, and I said I'd 320 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: be wonderful, So like I support her, she supports me. 321 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: We have this wonderful support for our kids. And like 322 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: I love her husband, like he's. 323 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: He's the best. He's so funny, Dave is great. 324 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: My kids love him and I'm so thankful for him 325 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: and thankful that my kids have him in their lives. 326 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: And you know, I always looking at more people to love. 327 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: You know, right, Yeah, and we have to be with 328 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: them too, because I'm like, if I didn't have kids 329 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: with my ex, like I would never wanted to speak 330 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: to him, but it's like we don't have a choice, 331 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: Like you have to speak, so then you have to 332 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: figure out the communication, you know, to make it best 333 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: for everybody involved. 334 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: You know, what you try to remember is you got 335 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: like we came together Jenny and I because of love 336 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: and had a relationship and like that love can transfer 337 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: into a beautiful friendship and support for one another and 338 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for it. 339 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: So that yeah, yeah, and now you have Jack who's two. Yeah, 340 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: and when did Jack turn. 341 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: To Jack turned is two and a half and he 342 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: has the best mom. Lily is such a wonderful mom 343 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: to him. And yeah, he's just so talkative. He talks 344 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: so much and he's and he's my first son, so 345 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: like there's lessons in that too. I grew up with 346 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: three sisters and then I had three daughters, so I 347 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: was always surrounded with like feminine energy, and now I 348 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: have a son, so there's a lot to be learned 349 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: from him and to teach him as well. 350 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: I always say my son teaches me more about myself 351 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: in to day than I could ever like learn otherwise. 352 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: I mean, he is is Jack all boy? Like is 353 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: he just crazy? Or is he because he's flying solo 354 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: most of the time? 355 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: Sensitive wonderful? Like he literally last week pulled the chair 356 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: out for his mom and said, Mom, you sit here. 357 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: He's two and a half, And I was like, what 358 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: a little gentleman like you know, never too young to 359 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: teach them to be a gentleman for sure. 360 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you appreciate it differently this time around, 361 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: being that he's kind of by himself most of the time, 362 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: or like I know, we each had a break into kids, 363 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: so we have two older kids and then had a baby, 364 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: like a pretty big gap. I'd say, I got a 365 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: fifteen month old, she's got a twenty month old. 366 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I realize how fast it goes Yeah. I mean, 367 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: my oldest is twenty seven, and then my middle is 368 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 3: twenty one, and my youngest daughter is eighteen. So I 369 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 3: know that's the blink of an eye, and so I 370 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: try to really and even with Jacket two and a half, 371 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 3: like the last two and a half years have flown by, 372 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: so like I'm trying to like slow it down, enjoy 373 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: the moments, even the hard ones. I mean two and 374 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: a half, you know they could be toddlers, But I 375 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 3: joy those moments too because I know, I know that 376 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: it'll be in the blink of an eye, it'll be 377 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 3: five and then ten and then fifteen. And I look 378 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: at my eighteen and twenty one and twenty seven year 379 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 3: old and what I wouldn't give to go back and 380 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: have the two and I have year old versions of them, 381 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: and you know, it's so sweet. And you look at 382 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: pictures and you're like, how did you go buy so fast? 383 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: So I do look at that and go cherish every moment. 384 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: And that's part of the message in this movie too. 385 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: The Unbratable Boy is like to live in the present 386 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 3: moment because Austin, who you know, the character is based 387 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: on the main character who's autistic. He he just enjoys. 388 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: He can make even the sad moments happy, you know, 389 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 3: And he could have a milkshake and it could be 390 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: the best milkshake he's ever had, and it is because 391 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 3: that's the best milkshake he's having in that moment. And 392 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 3: so I look at that, I'm like, if I, you know, 393 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 3: to look through his eyes and be able to live 394 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: through that beauty and gratitude for the present moment, I 395 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: want some of that. So like, it's such an inspiring 396 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: message in that movie to walk. 397 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: Away with absolutely. I know. 398 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm always trying to do that, like live through my 399 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: kid's eyes, because it's like they're just seeing these things 400 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: for the first time or experiencing them, and you know, 401 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: it's a it's a beautiful thing when you can try 402 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: and see it through them. And I think that's what 403 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: you know, definitely hits Home to an Unbreakable Boy, and 404 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: it's a great film. 405 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: To wrap up. 406 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: How many is it crazy to see that people come 407 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: back on the twilight side of things, because I feel 408 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: like it's it's just a movie that even the younger 409 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: kids are now watching, and it's it's like one of 410 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: those classics that people just go back to. 411 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I'm just really grateful that we have 412 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: such a wonderful fan base that's just so still so 413 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: giving and supportive and you know, still show up. I mean, 414 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: we just did a fan event in Florida and we 415 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: you know, as Jackson Rathbone, Kellen Love, It's me and 416 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 3: Ashley Green went and we sold out this whole arena 417 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: of and there one hundred and fifty people couldn't get in. So, like, 418 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: it's it's such a rampant fan base, and I get 419 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: it because I'm a fan of the books. Like I 420 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: remember going to going to a fan event and Forks 421 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: and they had these people playing cosplay as the Collins, 422 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, look at the Collins. They're 423 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: so cool. I was like, Carlisle, he's so tall, look 424 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: at them, you know, and it was just like they're 425 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: just magical creatures, you know what I mean. So I'm 426 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: a fan of that. I'm a fan of the soundtracks. 427 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: They're fun and so seeing you like find new generations 428 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: is always fun. And I've had that with other movies too. 429 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: Can hardly wade. I did like and like and and 430 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: my daughters love can hardly wade, you know, because that's 431 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: a it's such a movie that that just kind of 432 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: it's kind of epitomizes what high school is about with 433 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 3: the stereotypes, you know. So I think every generation is like, 434 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I see that. I see that. I get that. 435 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 3: So to have these movies that kind of move on 436 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: to from generations the next generation, that's been fun. I 437 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: mean I've been working for thirty years, so that's been 438 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: a blink of an eye. And I went to the 439 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: an award show the other day, the Art Directors Guild Awards, 440 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 3: and it said the twenty ninth Annual Art Directors Guild Awards, 441 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: and I was like, wow. When I started, they didn't 442 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: even have these awards. Now I feel really old. 443 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: No, I think it's a testament to your craft though. 444 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: I mean if you think at your resume and all 445 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: the movies that you've been never been a part of, 446 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: I mean they stay pretty classic, and that is kind 447 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: of unheard of. You know a lot of people wish 448 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 2: they had like the Friends effect or the you know, 449 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: like the things that live on forever and go through 450 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: all the generations. So that's pretty it's a pretty epic resume. 451 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: An Unbreakable Boy is added onto the list, So thank 452 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: you Peter for coming on the show, and everyone go 453 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: watch Unbreakable Boy it's out. 454 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: No thanks for having me 455 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: Thank you Peter.