WEBVTT - Episode 9: The Breakthrough 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.800 This is the new grounded routine. I get up, I 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.360 take my new meds. My therapist is finding me off 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.520 the climb of pin and adderall and onto a mood 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.000 stabilizer Deprica, and the idea is to have me being 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.040 less chemically tugged back and forth, get me leveled out. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.239 But I'm always anxious during medication changes. They can have 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.920 unexpected side effects on my mood. Mostly I like this guy, 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.200 Dr Ferryman, but in our first session he mentioned by 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.000 polar disorder is a possible new diagnosis to explain my 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.720 impulsive behavior. I don't want to admit it, but that 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.080 really freaks me out. Coping with anxiety has been one thing, 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.440 but but bipolar is like bipolar is like a real 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.879 mental illness. Luckily, he isn't pushing anything. In our later sessions, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.080 We're mostly talking and kneasing up on my meds, and 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.480 my parents seemed happy that things are working out with him, 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.200 so I'm able to turn my attention back to what 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.680 I want to do most here comes the break. This 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:05.080 week We've lined up our biggest artists yet, Bobby Sessions. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.319 He's an artist bridge and activism and music. I know 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.399 it'll be a dope conversation. The interview is after school 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.000 in the book of t Audio Lab Studio and Marcos 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.360 joining Janelle are not there for the first time. After that, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.280 we're recording the finale and that's a wrap on season one. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.040 I've got bad news. Rob, the artist we had booked, 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.360 had to cancel on episode ten. He was in an 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.760 altercation with the police and got detained. We don't have 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.880 an artist book for a season finale. What happened was 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.640 he pulled over by the clop flaw driving. Was he 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.399 at a protest? His manager didn't say. When I saw 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:40.920 he was at the same burger police as the man 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.840 who was unfortunately shot and killed last week. You may 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.520 have got caught up in all of that because the 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.000 police went on a spree arresting witnesses who recorded the 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.880 shooting on their cellphones. He was right behind the guy 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.800 who was killed by the police. I mean, it could 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.440 be anything, Damn, that's crazy. That's why I'm thankful for 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.240 this pot. This is about more than music. It gives 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.000 us in the artists of voice to talk about real 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.040 ship that matters. I know, right, I mean, there's a 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.680 reckoning happening right now in America. Monkster generation. We need 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.359 justice for Brianna Taylor, Tony McDade, Atiana Jefferson, a Maud 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.920 Aubrey like yesterday, all those black lives brutally taken, prematurely 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.359 named and unnamed. Oh, I mean, and don't even get 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.520 me started grouping. I mean, you know I'm going to 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.480 a BLM rally and Brooklyn next week. You should join me. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.760 I start to get anxious when Jane s to just 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.360 going through a protest. It hasn't really been my scene, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.400 to be honest, I meant what I said about the 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.480 podcast being a vehicle to talk about issues, and that's 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.720 where I want to focus my energy. Crowds, chants, and 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.040 cops really are my thing. I'll just tell her that 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.520 I'm going to stay in the lab to focus on 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.600 our pop one thing at a time. I've got to 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.200 get out of my ground. And first, and you said 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.440 we're out of final artist interview, we for sure you 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.280 need to solve that before making any other plans for 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.560 next week. I mean, okay, fair enough, you got any 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.440 fresh ideas? What if we feature a true indie artist, 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.440 someone on the East Coast who is a poet and 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.799 mc a truth secret Ruben I can see the stars 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.120 in your eyes. My g who do you ever mind? 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.200 You gotta lead already, you already know. So when I 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.680 was at the villa, hung out with the Rabbit from Boston, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.720 we follow each other on the ground. Now I could 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.360 reach out to her. All right, we're on a tight deadline. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.679 It's worth a shot. Let's hit put up. Maybe focusing 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.480 so much on the pod, which is technically a school project, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.519 will convince your parents that you're stepping up your game. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.480 You're serious about your academics, and you're done wilding out 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.800 in l A. And if you ask me, maybe a 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.440 little you join me at the protest. She flashes me 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.600 a daring smile. This girl doesn't miss a beat. I 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.160 feel an echo of the crush I had on them 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.200 when we first met, but I'm past it now. Janelle 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.960 has been my rock during all this drama cost even 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.720 when she's been pissed in me too. She's a good friend. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.480 That's actually not a bad idea, you know, if I 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.360 can get out of my grounding, I promised to join you. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:22.839 That's what I'm talking of about. The rest of the 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.200 day is a blur. The whole time my mind is 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.880 on the Bobby Sessions interview coming up after school. I'm 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.039 looking forward to Marco seeing the new audio lab set 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.880 up too. After a month on the outs, now that 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.960 he's back in the phone market, can see just how 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.960 much Janelle and I have leveled up our production. That's Marque, 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.919 my last classic study hall, where I've been listening to 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.039 the Bobby's music and prepping my interview questions. With the 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.320 ring of the bell, I crammed my phone in notebooks 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.440 in my bag and book it across the campus to 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.159 meet Janelle at the lab. As I get close, I 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.800 see Janelle is already in there waiting for me, and 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.960 I also catch eyes on Marco. We're walking down the hole. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.840 He got here pretty damn past. But then again, our 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.760 old public school gets out a little earlier than Book 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.560 of t so he had a head start. Marco this way. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.719 He salutes from across the hall and hustle to catch 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.200 up with me. We entered the lab together and Janelle 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.200 waves us a bright hello. Damn, you really do have 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.000 a sweet spot up here. Tech school has its benefits, Hey, Marco, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.520 welcome to here comes the break two point. Oh, I 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.280 told you this was an upgrade your boogie school has 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.719 its perks. After all. When he looks at me, I 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.320 can see the Marco was still a bit uptight. He 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.360 still hurt, but he's trying. This dude doesn't wear selling 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.760 or salty that well. My brain is full of racing thoughts, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.080 but I know the only way to heal our relationship 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.360 the rest of the way. It's time before I can 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.200 say anything too soft and screw up di vide. Janelle 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.679 chimes in, so we have a few minutes before Bobby 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.840 calls in. I figured we could just review some products 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.360 stuff Marco, I told her been earlier, but you should 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.680 know we're out our final artists for next week. We 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.880 have to feel that slot pretty quick. What that sucks, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.200 don't worry. I gotta leave Boston based rapping or poet 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.600 named up. Well, we shouldn't rely on just one lead. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.000 I'll review what other artist context we've got that we 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.120 haven't used, and maybe put out feel us for a 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.400 couple more good idea. Where did this lead come from? Anyway? 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.560 I met her at the villa. We mutual follows one 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.839 mention of the villa, and for once, Marco doesn't have 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.200 a smart comeback. Yep, he's still heard it in the 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.520 awkward silence that follows. It's Janelle who eases the tension 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.960 between us again. I also finished betting the ads sponsors 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.760 who have been courting us, sending us merchant all that. Marco, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.800 we didn't want to move forward with anything until we're 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.440 all back together, so I've just been researching them until 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.600 you got back. So who are we going with revenue streams? Baby? 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.360 Let's get this paper. Actually, I think we dodged a 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.640 bullet waiting. None of the sponsors who reached out to 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.520 us are particularly environmentally or socially conscious. I just think 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.960 whatever brands we agree to work with, we really need 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.840 to make sure they reflect our values. Maybe we con 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.680 solicit ads from places that have holistic missions that they 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.440 true we uphold. I have faith will find the right 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.440 company to sponsor. Here comes the break. Until then, I 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.000 think we should go at free and the awkward silence 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.560 comes right back. I can tell Marco is not feeling 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.360 the idea of turning down money now that we're big 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.640 enough to monetize off of our brand. To be honest, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.280 I don't really disagree with him. Janelle really caught us 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.120 soft guard with this one. Girl, Are you crazy? We're 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.120 at the level where we have sponsors hitting us up. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.160 We can make some bread off this, so we're not 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.320 summer camp counselors or back in groceries this summer. I mean, 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.320 I'm not above it, but if we can make money 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.400 off our social media presence, that's that's huge. I'm with 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.920 Marco on this one, Jay, I mean, I appreciate you 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.360 vetting on the candidates like you did, but maybe he 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:42.880 and I should take a look at the list too, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:44.440 and we could pick a few you might be willing 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.000 to consider. I can see Janelle get a little frustrated 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.600 behind their eyes. It occurs to me that this is 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.840 the first time Marco and I really pushed back against 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.040 their input. I mean, if you guys want to take 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.600 on the extra work, feel free to review the list yourselves. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.600 I'm just saying we're about to sit down for an 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.880 interview with an artivists, activists slash artists. We've asked artists 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.200 about their social consciousness and global consciousness just as much 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.440 as we've asked about the music. We don't want to 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.400 abandon those values and that perspective. I hear you, I 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.680 hear you, But you know what else I hear wu 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:19.160 Tang Cream cash rules everything around. He get the money, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.720 didid bill? Yah? Yeah, man, that's my dude. Woo tang 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.560 Woo tang jy. I'm just trying to lighten the move 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.840 a bit now. I know you're into vibrating higher and 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.480 singing bowls, but making a little cash whon't hurt if 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.520 we want to scale up more. The next step is 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.240 getting an operating budget, and that means AD dollars. This 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.000 is the big break we've been waiting for. Fidgets in 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.400 the seat. We're all dancing around the disagreement and being 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.559 professional about it, but it feels a little strange to 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.839 find Marco on myself united against it. We're over here 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.640 singing it Wu Tang duet. We've experienced a lot of 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.160 different dynamics as a team in the short, wild history 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.760 of this project, but somehow not this one. I understand that, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.240 And to be fair, I know this pod started out 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.640 between the two of you. I'm not trying to come 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.080 between your romance or the vision of the pod. However, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.360 I don't want us to lose sight of our principles. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.920 In Layman's terms, more money, more problems. Fair enough, Marco 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.320 and I will look at the list this week and 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.160 we'll return to this convote in a few days. You 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.360 good with that? It works for me, we'll see. Just 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.800 let me know. It feels great for me and Marco 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.040 to be working together as a team again. Janelle may 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.520 not be feeling us right now, but we gotta keep 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.760 our eyes on the prize. All right, You ready to 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.600 lock down this interview, Let's get to work. Bobby Sessions 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:44.319 is calling in and Janelle turns on the mic. In 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.679 my research, I've noticed activism seems to be the fabric 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.920 of who you are. Have Have you been able to 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.000 remain authentic and truth to who you are by being 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.120 signed to a major record label. I feel like when 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.240 you are blessed with the opportunity to be signed to 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.320 a company death Jam or something of that level, there's 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.200 a lot of responsibility that comes with that platform. And 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.280 it's not for every artist. But if I feel like 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.960 if artists has the ability to report what's going on 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:15.439 and put it in a way where it can be 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.319 entertaining with the music, then by all means they should 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:23.200 use their gifts. Why would you processing all of the 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.320 the reckon with systemic racism going on right now? That's 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.199 a difficult thing. To process because even post the murder 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.120 George Floyd, that's been a number of other people that 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:37.360 have been executed, has been murdered prior to George Floyd 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.480 that are getting more like now, and it's almost difficult 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.000 to keep up with all the names because there's so many. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.720 So it's difficult to process. But I try to stay 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.680 informed and then also balanced that out by just taking 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.320 breaks from my own sanity. Yeah, I feel that. I 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.120 feel that. I also read that unfortunately, your cousin, James 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.600 Harper was shotting killed by Dallas cops, said free years ago. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:07.840 So yeah, it's disheartening. You become noumb twit when you 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:12.160 have a family member that experiences that. And in my case, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:17.120 I found out a combination from Twitter and my mother 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.360 when my cousin passed. I was working at Walmart at 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.120 the time, and during my break, I was on Twitter 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.319 and I saw that he was calling it a riot. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.280 But there's a bunch of people that were upset and 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.960 uh in South Dallas and saying that someone had been 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.280 shot by the cops. But you did you hear this 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:40.040 every day? So it wasn't You're almost desensitized. And I 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.720 remember hearing about that Damn, that's crazy. This happened in Dallas. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.720 Then my break was finished, and then I get a 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.840 text from my mom, which at that time she wasn't 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.080 really texting. So when she was like, y'all need you 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.439 to call me, I knew something was wrong immediately because 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.720 that just wasn't the way that she chose to communicate 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.080 during that time. So I stepped into a bathroom and 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.640 I called her, and then she told me that my 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:08.040 cousin got killed. Like I started connecting back from what 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.400 I was seeing on Twitter some hours before, and then 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.520 like I connected the dots, like uh, but there was 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:18.040 a life changing event because you see these things all 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.199 the time, and even if you're not consciously thinking about it, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.640 somewhere in your mind you maybe thinking that won't happen 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.040 to you or someone by around you. And then that 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.600 was that wake up called like oh wow, this isn't 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.920 something on Twitter anymore, something on TV. This is like 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.640 this hit our front door. So it's crazy seeing other 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.600 families now have to deal with a similar thing. It's 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.640 a sad thing, but I am encouraged by all the 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.800 I haven't seen as much unity from us as a people, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.480 and even wait for some of the non black people 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.000 that are still that are just supporting and coming together 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.640 to put an into this. I haven't seen as much unity. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.319 I haven't seen as much collective pushback in my lifetime, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.920 so that part has me excited for the future. Most 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.720 respect to you man, Thank you for discussing that you 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.960 didn't have to do so I appreciate it. Sort of First, 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.760 I felt a lot of beautiful things are developed in 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.920 dirty places and dark places. So, for example, as bad 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.079 as things are on an economic level, on a literally 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.880 black people getting killed for no reason level, there is 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.440 a positive side to it. And as far as the 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.320 future going forward, I believe that's gonna be so much 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.760 more accountability across the board, as far as how we're police, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:51.119 how money is being distributed into our communities. M hm, okay, okay. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.120 Something back to music a little bit. Uh, Have you 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.600 met or collaborated with an artist that you're just like, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.680 I can't believe me. I'm in the room with this person. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.000 If you have, how was that experience, I would saying no, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.280 not at least not yet, mainly because not even on 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.600 a cocky ship. It's just I expect to be in 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.120 those rooms. I can't believe it. When I'm in there, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.840 I believe it, you know what I mean, Like, I'm 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.680 excited every time. Still, like, man, this is crazy. The 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.000 unbelievable part that for me is more man, there's a 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.960 lot of attraction stuff was really working everything. That's the 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.280 part that gets me feeling a way. I believe I'm dope, 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.600 so I expect to be in wrongs with dope people. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.560 So so you're inspired by the seecret did not have 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.160 attraction and let this manifest station in. Like to you, 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.960 I'm real big on writing yourself down, like you mentioned, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.680 I think for the main purpose of not just writing 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.840 something down. But so for example, when I write down 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.320 the goal, I put it on a big piece of 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.600 construction paper and I hang them in different areas of 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.800 my place. So like pretty much no matter where I'm at, 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:59.840 I see this goal like constantly, And it's not necessarily 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:04.200 for my conscious minds. It's really for my subconscious money. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.720 So there's times that I'm taking it in and absorbing 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:13.160 what I have on this board without even consciously noticing it. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.480 And I'm doing this to program my subconscious mind. So 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:21.280 whatever future I make all of my future realities of 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:26.320 present fact this and as a late instead of me 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.440 just putting down Okay, I want to make this much money. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.200 I want to have a relationship with this person. I 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.160 do it more like material things that have fallen off 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.400 the list and has become more about just I just 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.920 want to be creative. I want to wake up and 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.600 feel abundantly creative. I have this endless will of creativity 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.720 that I can draw from whenever I want, for however 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.640 long I want, at any time, anywhere, And then that 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.520 has resulted in a lot of manifestations just because I'm 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.600 focusing more on the ability to fish as opposed to 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.440 the fish itself and fish in this example, is the 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.920 material thing like a car or a watch or money 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.120 that's a fish. I am thinking of manifests being better 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:13.960 at fishing. Do you have advice for young creators and 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.960 their parents trying to learn how to fish? People have 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.120 time goals that they set for themselves. I should have 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.720 this much money or be at this stage in my 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.720 career at this time. We do that. When you're eighteen, 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.840 you're like, I need to own a business at twenty three. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.880 So you turn twenty three, you don't own a business, 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.280 and now you're discouraged, and now you want to quit 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.040 when if you would have just kept going, you would 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:43.040 have owned it at and by the time you're twenty 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:44.640 eight and you own it, you wouldn't look at it 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:50.400 like too old man. So a lot of struggles and 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:56.000 anxiety and depression and self doubt and second guessing. A 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.880 lot of that is attached to time, and your parents 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.640 have time expectations on you as well, because that's how 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.560 they evaluate their apparently. So if your kid is twenty 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.560 four and they need to live with you and they're struggling, 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.960 you're like, oh, man, like what when is this gonna 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.800 turn out? Your little hobby and they're trying to protect 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.240 you at the end of the day, that's their intention. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.240 It comes off wrong because they're like, oh, y'all a 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.600 ship on my dreams and all that. But it's not 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.920 for it's not for your parents to understand. H It's 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.240 not for them too. It's a difficult thing for you 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.880 as the creative to accept, but it's not for them 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.480 to accept. When I first started rapping and I wanted 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.840 everybody to jump on the Boby Sessions bandwaggon and they 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.280 was like, oh, this is I'll be what ibb this 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.239 is my dream? This is my life goal, it's my 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.080 life purpose. But that's not for them. They're not in 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.080 my head, so they can't see the future that I 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.960 have for myself. And then I learned a very valuable 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.800 lesson and some of my my mother told me, and 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.679 I'd never forgotten it. She told me my mom end 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.879 up being or both my parents end up being cute 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.720 supporters of my music down the line, but in the 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.320 beginning it wasn't, and my mom said I couldn't support 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:09.919 it because I didn't believe it, and that changed my life. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.239 Wouldn't view that as an insult. I view that as 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.280 you know what I'm wrong, You're right, because you shouldn't. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.639 You don't owe me support because you're my parents. Any 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.880 child that's expecting their parents to do that, I wouldn't 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.000 do it. I would highly recommend not doing that. You 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.080 need to be you need to be on your path, 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.879 and you need to be okay with your parents judging 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.840 you because that's what they're supposed to do, because at 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.080 the end of the day, they don't want you to 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.760 be homeless. Now you believe in yourself and or you 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.919 believe that you're gonna be successful, you need to depend 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.520 on that and no external validation from anyone else. And 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.119 what are they say? If you want it enough, you're 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.840 gonna find out a way to go get it. We'll 0:18:49.840 --> 0:19:04.520 be right back and now back to the show. I'm 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.080 bugging out after that interview. We all are. It was 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.919 one of our best yet. The tension over whether we 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.720 signed sponsors for the pod is completely forgotten among the 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.680 three of us as we celebrate the recording and pack 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.760 up our stuff. But as we head out from the school, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.800 two things Bobby Sessions said keep ringing in my head. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.879 That's a lot of responsibility that comes with that platform 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.120 he signed, and he talked about the responsibility that comes 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.919 with that. Our platform may still be minored by comparison, 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.359 but our social responsibility is exactly what we were debating 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.720 before the interview started. Marco, when I chat about it 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.560 more on the subway right back to Far Rockaway, but 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.800 I'm still unpacking the Bobby Sessions interview when he started 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.399 talking about parents not supporting artistic careers, about not feeling 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.840 entitled to that, and that hit home for me. It's 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.680 what I've been struggling with with my parents. It's why 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.280 it's all led to me being grounded and now in therapy, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.720 all I really wanted was some support, encouragement and understanding 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.720 from my parents. Bobby's lying cuts me so deep I 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:09.720 can't get it out of my head. Marco. When not 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.960 split up at the station, I pull out my phone 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.119 during I walk home and send a d M to Umpah. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:16.560 I asked if she'd be willing to be our season 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.520 finale guests, and in no time I find myself at 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.760 the front door. You don't owe me support because you're 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:27.240 life parents. Any child that's expecting their parents to do that, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:42.640 I wouldn't do it. Hey, Ruben, and how is your interview? 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.560 It went well. We're almost done with the season and 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.040 almost ready for the final project presentation in school. Good good, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.800 slide my backpack off my shoulder and sit down by 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.399 mom on the couch. Here goes nothing. I want to 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.120 ask you both something go for a kid though. After 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.879 our final interview next week, Janelle is going out to 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:05.160 a BLM rally in Brooklyn. She invited me along, sort 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.399 of jokingly because she knows I'm still grounded, But I figured, 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.960 you know, maybe if it was worth a shot to 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:13.960 ask if I could go out with her and Marco 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.560 for a good talks. Mom puts down Bell Hook's book 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.800 All about Love and gives me her full attention. That's funny. 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.040 It's the same book Janelle was reading when I met him. Boy, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:29.040 are you trying to play us? That's clever. You're smart, honey, 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.560 he gets that from me. I mean it has been 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:36.240 over a month. Things are going well in therapy. Why 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:41.200 not ask well? As long as you're being honest, I'm 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.920 in favor of you being part of something bigger than yourself. 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.800 I turned on my mom a little shocked. I thought 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.560 she'd take more convincing than that, all her worries about 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.200 me being out in the city at night. Reuben, your 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.159