00:00:00 Speaker 1: Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 00:00:09 Speaker 2: Y'all check it out, y'all, This is Fante fan Ticolo back with this week's qre Les Classic. 00:00:13 Speaker 3: This week, we're gonna take it. 00:00:14 Speaker 2: All the way back to February thirteenth, twenty nineteen for part two of our Black TV Writers Roundtable, where we chop it up with our good friends Tracy Ashley, Diallo Riddle, Sheer saladein My Brothers from Sherman Showcase, and Angela Nissel, who is getting a lot of. 00:00:29 Speaker 3: Love right now from her mentioned in Dave. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Chappelle's Much bescer So Yeah, Angie doing your thing love her. 00:00:36 Speaker 3: Listen. 00:00:37 Speaker 2: We sit down with them, we talk about how the black media landscape is changing, and we get into a whole lot more So. 00:00:42 Speaker 3: Check it out cure Les Classic. Get into it, yeah piece. 00:00:53 Speaker 4: Hey. 00:00:54 Speaker 3: Last week on Quest Love Supreme, I introduced you guys to four black writers currently working in Hollywood, Angela Missile, Diallar Riddle, and Tracy Ashley. Collectively, they've written for shows like Scrubs Now with Jimmy Fallons, The Last O G and many many more. Hey, let's not waste any time. Let's get right back to the conversation. So like the old shows, the old black shows, let's say, like like the Jefferson's What's Happening? Did they have black writers or you know, like. 00:01:29 Speaker 5: They most absolute mostly good, very much mostly did not was it was? 00:01:39 Speaker 3: It was incredible? 00:01:39 Speaker 6: Yeah, normanly are actually just I just listened to a podcast he did and he talked about that. How I think he said the black the Black Panthers showed up at his at the studio because they were mad that they were like this white man is writing this this story. 00:01:55 Speaker 7: Yeah, so I don't think they have. 00:01:56 Speaker 5: The way there was some black authorship was the star usually had some level of veto power. 00:02:02 Speaker 3: So that's the role. 00:02:03 Speaker 5: When you got a script could then be like no, no, no, no, no. 00:02:08 Speaker 3: Say this. 00:02:08 Speaker 5: But that's like the very last level. But right before that, there was nobody in that room. 00:02:13 Speaker 3: Briefly, on Sanford and Son, I know that Paul Mooney and Richard Pryor were brought into. 00:02:22 Speaker 8: By the way, A lot of people don't realize Sanford and Son was actually an import from the UK. 00:02:28 Speaker 9: People. 00:02:29 Speaker 3: The junk step. How long was that on? 00:02:36 Speaker 5: This is before the days of BBC America, So we don't we have no idea. 00:02:40 Speaker 3: So of the four of you, who's getting fired? 00:02:45 Speaker 5: How many of you are always always aware of that? 00:02:50 Speaker 3: How many of you are willing to truly sacrifice for the greater good? Now? I know, I know there's a load of questions because I know that usually a lot of nepotism and sort of the patriarchy, like the system of starting out as an intern and then becoming a writer, then a head writer, and then next thing, you know, your network head. I know that's very hard for black people to even fathom that situation. Usually you're worn out and tired after ten to fifteen years of this bullshit. But how many of you are thinking past writer, head writer and showrunner to I would like to run the network? And especially all right, I would assume that for women, and I see this often. You know when I investigate the culinary world, most women don't last in those high end the kitchen situ because you have to really give like fifteen to twenty five years of your life in that situation. Usually you want to have kids and you retire after a while. So are you are you even thinking about in twenty thirty five, I'd like to be president of the network, so that way I could really open doors. 00:04:21 Speaker 9: Well, I think that for us, I don't know any for us, the highest. 00:04:25 Speaker 10: Thing you can do is be a showrunner, is to be somebody like a Kenya Barris. 00:04:29 Speaker 9: For I don't think too many writers actually want to. 00:04:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a different track. 00:04:32 Speaker 9: That nobody has to run a network. 00:04:34 Speaker 3: I would assume that now that Shonda Rhymes is kind of in the is she the besides Oprah the highest level where you could be in the game? Right now? I think so? 00:04:43 Speaker 9: Yeah, she runs her own production company. 00:04:45 Speaker 3: Right So if Shonda Rhymes not even eight steps away from oprah hood, if she goes on this. 00:04:53 Speaker 5: Role, my two cents would be she's as close to being somebody who has that network power without giving up the thing which is the reason we get up in the morning because we feel like artists and we want to go make art. I mean, I wouldn't you know I know this. I know A and M Records were started by uh right, I think most but you know that's a that's sort of a parallel thing in a sense of like, well those guys were musicians and they said we got to got our own label. 00:05:15 Speaker 3: It does happen. 00:05:16 Speaker 2: But you know, even with that, it was one guy that was really music and the other guy was the business. 00:05:21 Speaker 9: On the show still get notes from a network? Yeah she still? 00:05:25 Speaker 3: Yes, does she honor all those notes? Who knows? Yeah? Yeah, Well here's me asking is willing to sacrifice because you know, like, but it's already, but one day he has a black woman. There are black executives who writes women who they're about to take over some things. 00:05:43 Speaker 5: It's coming. No, it's happening. That's why Roseanne. Roseanne happened because the black woman was. 00:05:47 Speaker 11: Like a black woman named Zone one. Just you know, whatever you think of it, it's there. 00:05:55 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying it has it happened. I'm saying, who in this room is willing to how far are you willing to go in this this trek, in this journey of television of being able to be fired? 00:06:07 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I'm like again, I don't for me personally, yeah, but a lot of men I would love again for me, if you just go to movies, if what my girlfriend and I were, if what me and my girlfriends talk about is right, you know, and there hasn't been a black female half an hour comedy network showrunner, broadcast showrunner since the nineties. I mean, I've been in this since two thousand and two. I can't give up, now what else can I do? 00:06:34 Speaker 3: You know? 00:06:34 Speaker 10: And I like being able to help other younger people like Tracy come in and do you know, so if it ain't me, it's going to be her hopefully. So I mean, I'm not giving up until I'm dead. What the hell that's one of y'all gonna take me in and me your sugar dad. 00:06:48 Speaker 8: I think the ability, I think the ability to create new shows, new characters, new environments. I think that's what you know, juveniles, you know what I mean, as opposed to the desire to have other people bring us those things and be like, Okay, well you're gonna get eight pm on Wednesday, Like I don't. I just think that that's a slightly different thing, you know, And maybe sometimes people will make that jump, you know, but you know, so what I'm feeling here. 00:07:17 Speaker 3: Is that the there's a limit to your Sky. 00:07:24 Speaker 10: Network executive and like none of us if we were executive network executives, we wouldn't be able to write and create new characters. 00:07:31 Speaker 8: Any network executives and maybe one of them will become head of their network. 00:07:35 Speaker 5: I just you know, I mean, can I just say for me? It's like if you I'm not saying. 00:07:39 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not a Picasso, but I'm saying if you went to Picasso and said, you know, you really got to run a museum man, and he'd be like, I just want to I'm a painter. 00:07:46 Speaker 3: Like, so I'm saying, like, it's the top who's willing to sacrifice? Who wants to sacrifice? 00:07:52 Speaker 2: Like I love doing this, but was creative and then he stopped being creative and became president for the Greater Good to bring a susher, to bring a STLC, to bring it, you know on he. 00:08:06 Speaker 3: Jones was a trumpet player and love scoring. Would he but okay? 00:08:10 Speaker 2: But would he have kept doing that had the deal been selling like ten twenty million records? 00:08:15 Speaker 5: Like? 00:08:16 Speaker 3: Would he have seen the moment and he jumped at it? Now? We asked Jimmy jam the same thing, like would you want to stop creating music and producing just to you know, to be in the front office and not be creative? He said, no, I didn't want to do that. Yeah, So I understand That's why I was asking. 00:08:33 Speaker 2: I think what's creatives just don't people don't think like that. I mean, you kind of do what you do just because that's I want to do that like. 00:08:39 Speaker 3: But I will say I think about it all the time though, ye, so you know. 00:08:43 Speaker 5: But I would say, just really quickly, go ahead. 00:08:45 Speaker 6: I have to admit that that actually did cross my mind being at CBS and being on this show, because I was looking around at all the executives. 00:08:53 Speaker 3: All right, oh, we developed over there. 00:08:56 Speaker 5: But you know, I just wanted to say really quick that Kevin Hart is starting is on network right now. The way the media landscape is changing, between cord cutting, there's seven, you know, there's I think I might be making this number. I think there was like thirteen hundred new TV shows or something like that, or maybe let's say, if I'm wrong, let's say it's three hundred. That's still three hundred things. Everybody ain't watching all that shit. So I'm saying it's a little bit of a different terrain than the seventies. I think there are definitely talented people now who are saying, look, I can just get an app on your TV the way that other people. The Netflix has an app and you'll watch the but sheer network, and then that'll be the way that I, you know, corral the conversation and be able to give green light power to people. And I think that's already actually happening right now. There are people creating networks right now that utilize technology to be the people who are in charge. Puppy out Revolt. 00:09:43 Speaker 11: I'm scared for Kevin Hart though, because I wonder, I'm like, wow, how many people because there are so many outlets, how many people. 00:09:48 Speaker 7: Are going to the LOL network or whatever? 00:09:51 Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe that's the next part of it, right. 00:09:54 Speaker 11: It's like, so, what is the other thing that's going to be created that you can be a boss and maybe not be a network exact it, maybe not to be an app. 00:10:01 Speaker 7: I don't know. 00:10:02 Speaker 3: I hate to ask this question. Is Revolt a nationwide? 00:10:07 Speaker 2: It depends on I've yet to see we get it get. 00:10:11 Speaker 3: We get in Carolina. Who's your cable provider? We ship it's been brought like fifty providers. 00:10:18 Speaker 11: It's not about the providers. It's on Comcast, is on Time, Warner's on Charter. It's about the cities that they're in because it's not on it's not in the. 00:10:26 Speaker 3: Spectrum in New York City, and I still don't get it where he will be like watch my showing. Fuse'd be like, yeah, that's true, challenge. You can't even tell. 00:10:41 Speaker 5: This is the only time in history, Like you can be at a restaurant sitting next somebody who is a fucking star on TV show you don't know who they are, and somebody comes to it's an autograph. Who are you? 00:10:51 Speaker 3: I got you know? 00:10:53 Speaker 2: I got a TV show on pal I'm a Palladium brock. 00:11:07 Speaker 3: Legit starts is l O L and actual, Yeah. 00:11:12 Speaker 5: Network, he's buying studio space out in uh Chatsworth, Like he's he's doing this. This is happening. I went out there and saw the space like there, this is happening. 00:11:23 Speaker 11: Someone spread itself then and nothing b as. 00:11:27 Speaker 2: With the with the whole like core cutting thing, just in terms of the economics of TV scary, Yeah, I mean because to me it just doesn't seem like and I don't know how it affects like writers and actors and stuff, because like, yeah, people are cutting the cores, but they still jacking you up to ask for the Internet. 00:11:45 Speaker 5: So the amount of the amount of people who watch each TV show has gone down the amount of individuals who spend their day watching TV. It's fine. It's actually that number is consistent. So the people in this room will always have offers and stuff because it's like we create content it. 00:12:01 Speaker 8: Then I will say, you know, you got to have ten jobs. So I will say so I want to say this. We are developing another show with I f C. You know, and uh and we're very excited about the produced by John Legend, our composer. Fund Take a look in the room. 00:12:16 Speaker 3: There you go. 00:12:18 Speaker 8: One of the things that I noticed when I was talking to some of the some of the millennial assistants. I would be like, hey, so how do y'all watch cable TV? You know, like because I have to steal it? And they'd be like they'd be like, well, you know, uh, like none of them will actually pay for cable, Like somebody on watch it once I once it goes on Netflix. Somebody else was like, well, I never cut the cord because I never had a cord. 00:12:44 Speaker 5: I'm gonna put somebody. I want to put somebody on blast. Who I live with, who I married watches and we watch every real house we watch all of those. We do not have cable in our house. How we watch all those shows every night on the TV in the living room. That's the question you should ask yourself. I don't know. It's the website to special website. Yeah, we watched every one of those. I'm like, this is evil. 00:13:13 Speaker 7: You got a fire stick you ain't never got And. 00:13:15 Speaker 5: The kids can't even understand paying for content. They don't even they don't get content we paid for. 00:13:20 Speaker 7: I don't pay for content. I used my mother's cable when I log. 00:13:23 Speaker 2: In, when nobody paid for television. Yeah, they just paid for the box. Yeah box, that's true. I wanted I got my So you talk about millennials, my nephew, I guess we want to watch Handmate's tail. And so he was like, yeah, give us the He was like, I give you my Hulu pass with him, like all right, And I pulled that ship. 00:13:46 Speaker 3: And it was like five other profiles because or do you consider internet based tvcies real shows? Or one? 00:14:04 Speaker 5: Amazon? By the way, I'm on I'm on Netflix. Shout out Netflix, Let's go glow. 00:14:09 Speaker 3: But episode eight or whatever, the actual show the. 00:14:19 Speaker 5: One that But can I just say something, But Amazon has some of the best terrible black movies. 00:14:25 Speaker 3: Listen in the world. Watch every single one of them. 00:14:29 Speaker 2: Watch you watch this the ones with your boy murdered pain, Yeah, I watch all They shout out to the game, Uh, the one it takes place like Detroit, Like he's in the plug, the. 00:14:41 Speaker 3: Plug to the plug too. Yeah, we watched that one. 00:14:46 Speaker 5: Watch they talking about Amazon realized that it don't matter the level of money people spend on it. If it's available, Black people will watch that ship. Amazon will buy it. 00:14:57 Speaker 3: There's a bunch of bat ballots on about it looked like the goddamn God, like you know, on the bluff that level. 00:15:05 Speaker 2: Yo, good, Yeah, that's the piece the bluff. These movies have no s These movies have no d P. I'm sitting here in my living room watching the movie. It was like this whole scene, there's nothing. 00:15:16 Speaker 8: Sometimes you won't see a character for forty minutes, minutes, back up and you'll be. 00:15:21 Speaker 3: Like, oh, he's still the movie. 00:15:23 Speaker 5: That's content. I mean, but that's content. I'm watching it in the living room. Okay, shout out Amazon and Amazon too. I think they do a good Neflicis. Don't kill me for that because they they watch it. They don't listen to Netflix. 00:15:35 Speaker 2: They glow glow gloss okay, glow is though Netflix they have they black movies because like I watch, you know, because like they it's all this ship like the world is a fucking algorithm. 00:15:45 Speaker 3: So like I watched, Yes, I watched, they have level they should I watch. Netflix has Church plays Netflix. 00:16:00 Speaker 2: They're like, there's a movie here, get down on their laptop immediately. Boy By is a movie written you wants Houston, you will. 00:16:12 Speaker 3: Starrying Wendy ri Carol Robinson. 00:16:15 Speaker 2: And in case you were wondering, there is a line in the movie where she says. 00:16:18 Speaker 3: Boy By, Yeah, the movie spoilers bro clipped. The pole is not in that one, yo. You know who's even like twelve of them? 00:16:29 Speaker 2: Know who was in Cana is not in that way. It's the saddest thing is that all those movies, there's always one person who's like a little too big. 00:16:39 Speaker 3: Like that motherfuckers. Look right, didn't you have your own TV? 00:16:43 Speaker 8: John Amos? In The Watermelon, you were like the water That's what real movie. 00:16:50 Speaker 3: You'd be like Villica Foxes, Yo? Did that? You know? 00:16:55 Speaker 7: Did the conversation go down? 00:16:56 Speaker 3: But you want some money? 00:17:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, it's the twenty eighth I know that Muggae is doing the first. 00:17:03 Speaker 3: You could either you could not get paid or you could get paid. That boy by so much one what was the September. I mean it's it's good bad, but it's sequels to movies. You didn't know. It's like five can play that game they have like twy four. Oh I thought, yeah, there was a sequel to that ship they call it. 00:17:34 Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, I was ty was one of the first, like was was one of the first movies I can remember. I was in college. This was my firstman year at Central and they marketed twil like it was a fucking wrap out. 00:17:51 Speaker 5: They came to campus. One of the producers came to Harvard and was talking to us. They came, there is. 00:17:56 Speaker 3: A twy four I just made that up. Damn, we're off your schedule. Out Yah, check that out. I love that stuff. That stuff is great. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite black act all Powell. 00:18:10 Speaker 8: Damn he's Clifton Powell came all the way back to two two seven, right you Clifton days. 00:18:20 Speaker 3: I'm thinking Quincy. 00:18:22 Speaker 9: Shot that out with the Street. 00:18:24 Speaker 5: Clifton po the gangster, He's in everything, He's in everything. 00:18:27 Speaker 2: And Clinton Powell like, yeah, he'll be like in like a murder Pain movie and then you'll see that nigga like Black Panther three. 00:18:34 Speaker 3: It's like he has a wide range. 00:18:38 Speaker 5: You know what he likes to work. Yeah, I would give him that. He every day he wakes up like I'm going to somebody set. Somebody's putting me in front of the camera today. 00:18:46 Speaker 3: So like as writers like, tell us what shows do y'all like better? Like Ricking Morton, y'all are like, Yo, this is great writing. 00:18:52 Speaker 5: Yo, sell Rick Morton. No, no, no, I hear. I think what said about the audience is true. I don't think you should. I don't think it's smart when you watch it, however you feel about it's the real ship. 00:19:04 Speaker 3: Ricking Morty is on only show I know that. 00:19:05 Speaker 5: It's as funny as it is and also still has jokes that have layers for like people who are nerds but you don't need. 00:19:10 Speaker 3: But you don't need. 00:19:11 Speaker 10: I'm about to say men will be watching that and be like, oh my god, they just went into the conspiracy thing. 00:19:16 Speaker 9: Yes, but I just laughed. 00:19:19 Speaker 4: I didn't know what. 00:19:22 Speaker 3: Okay, So I don't know if it's I mean, someone told me watch rick and Morty the Ship. 00:19:27 Speaker 2: Watch baskets to I was about to do it. 00:19:34 Speaker 3: Also showing gum another one. 00:19:38 Speaker 5: By the way, really funny, not trying to be like like just hard jokes. 00:19:43 Speaker 9: What do you think about that? 00:19:44 Speaker 7: What you and I'm having? 00:19:46 Speaker 11: And yeah, not every bad woman gets my love. I mean I tried to try to support the girl Jessica and her Brooklyn Jessica Day was on the Daily Ship. 00:19:57 Speaker 3: That was awful. My lord, I watch Two Funky Girls. Wait what is it? 00:20:03 Speaker 4: Don't wait? 00:20:05 Speaker 11: But he has a show on Netflix and I tried it was a movie that wasn't it was a movie but the white guys, Yeah a movie. 00:20:11 Speaker 3: It was too millennially. 00:20:13 Speaker 7: New Brooklyn for me. 00:20:14 Speaker 3: I think feel you were too old for. 00:20:18 Speaker 7: Maybe black. 00:20:20 Speaker 9: I like to go with too black, Like what's your favorite show? 00:20:28 Speaker 11: Don't do that because the first one to come to mind is family, guy, Please don't judge me. 00:20:34 Speaker 3: Really watch television? 00:20:36 Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, too much? 00:20:39 Speaker 3: Is weird because most people I know that are in the TV world, Like it's there, it's beneath him to watch television. Every watch everything you have to you gotta watch. Interestingly enough, most of what I watch is drama lately. I mean like. 00:20:57 Speaker 8: Kids, kids, like the kids the second the kids go to bed. I watched a lot of depressing, dark adult stuff that. 00:21:05 Speaker 4: Around the room. 00:21:05 Speaker 3: Okay, around the room. What are your what's your two go to shows? Well, right now I'm actually getting caught up. I can't live without no, I'm getting caught up on Fear of the Walking Dead. I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you, damn it. Uh I read the comic. You could only name one? All right, give me your give me your your your your guilty Pleasure. I'm ashamed of I watched this show. I can't quite go there. Say it. We're all gonna be honest. Just say it. 00:21:42 Speaker 7: Pull up your Netflix real quick, just say it. 00:21:45 Speaker 3: You know what I know when blah blah blah. I can tell you when Gold Girls on My ass is on the couch watching that ship show. 00:22:00 Speaker 11: Yeah, gold Girls, guilty Pleasure show that you you. 00:22:04 Speaker 3: Know, Real Housewives or like reality I mean black in Chicago. I don't feel proud. 00:22:08 Speaker 2: About I'm gonna tell you what's on my director. 00:22:12 Speaker 3: You right, watch when something's on that you're ashamed to say that you watch? What is that show? Okay? I say it's keeping up with the Cardigan. Listen. I've never seen that. I don't love to watch it regularly. I know I don't watch them. I know because I just pulled it up, but I was, like, I know, I watched something. 00:22:36 Speaker 8: My guilty pleasure is actually the show called the nineteen Eighties The Deadliest Decade. 00:22:41 Speaker 3: It's at the. 00:22:41 Speaker 8: Time on Discovery, I did, which is the best channel. 00:22:45 Speaker 3: Wait, what the hell is that? Okay? Investigator. 00:22:48 Speaker 8: Discovery is basically like a twenty four hour forty eight hours slash date line, where like every show is about like people who are married killing one another. So it's always like they were the perfect couple. It seemed they had everything until she showed up missing after the boat trip. Like that's basically the whole And they have this one show called nineteen Eighties The Deadliest Decade. The thing I like about it, on top of like marriages falling apart, which is perversely fantastic to. 00:23:17 Speaker 3: Me, is all the old footage. 00:23:20 Speaker 8: Like I could actually watch old footage on YouTube all the time. Like, so last night I was watching U As It Happened footage from LA TV news shows of the. 00:23:31 Speaker 3: North Ridge quake. 00:23:32 Speaker 8: Oh, you know, like I just like to watch, like, oh, how do we react in the moment that it was announced that John Lennon died, you know what I mean, like cause I like the old like graphics and I like, you know, like the grainy footage and like, you know the best part to me in Cocaine Cowboys is like when they show like you know, like Miami footage of like the day. 00:23:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, when they're like, there were. 00:23:55 Speaker 8: Three people found dead in this apartment tonight, like you know, and you're just like the footage itself is scary because it's like, why is this so dark? And like Rainy and Gan Cowboys too is the one to hustle them with the Godmother? That was my one of course about Discovery. Disappointed with that answer, but that's the Discovery. 00:24:13 Speaker 3: I do still believe the Kardashians. I can't live without what What's Your Show? 00:24:20 Speaker 5: Star Trek de Space nine? But okay, What's show? 00:24:22 Speaker 3: Go to the show that I watched way too much of? 00:24:27 Speaker 5: Man, I watch a ton of Uh damn, I'm so sorry. I honestly I watch a lot of family Guys. I think it's still to this day. I'm a cord cutter, so I gotta wait for it to seep into other ship. But yeah, every time I watch it when. 00:24:44 Speaker 7: It comes on TVs and then you watch. 00:24:45 Speaker 3: It on I'm saying, I love that show. 00:24:48 Speaker 5: I think that show is I think I like, I like. 00:24:50 Speaker 3: What's your what's your guilty pleasure show? Ruppulse rag Race. Yeah. 00:24:57 Speaker 5: I just say though that those people are incredible, the funniest and they and I'm from a conservative muscle family. So we had him at the house on Thanksgiving and my father was like, what in the brother, I've made so many mistakes and I was like, okay. 00:25:16 Speaker 6: Lot, I will be I will admit, I will sit binge watch shows I watched. I binge watched RuPaul's Drag Race. But the thing I'm watching now is the Americans. I'm watching. Everybody says it's good, it's really good, it's great because I want it's great, and but my guilty pleasure is I have to admit love and hip hop, the one with Atlanta or the one with Stevie J. 00:25:39 Speaker 3: That's the one incredible watch indible. 00:25:43 Speaker 7: Come on, she's already been on it. She he already broke up with her once and now they back to GAVL. 00:25:54 Speaker 3: Go ahead, I don't yeah, go ahead, I don't. 00:25:58 Speaker 11: Know because I watched way too much TV. I'm right now, I'm just looking forward to the Ozark. 00:26:02 Speaker 4: So good. 00:26:06 Speaker 7: Anything that Jason Bateman and to me is generally good development. I don't say I'm rest development because. 00:26:15 Speaker 3: I love this year with the drinks in society. I didn't. I didn't like. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: I was just I think to me, like Breaking Bad was like the pinnacle of White Man goes into scary dark territory, like ship like that was I. 00:26:28 Speaker 11: Was guilty pleasure staying on adult Swim Robot Chicken. 00:26:33 Speaker 3: That's not a guilty pleasure. That's well loved. Somebody who enjoys marijuana. Yeah, that's just a night. 00:26:39 Speaker 11: And as a black and black black person, it's like it wouldn't you would be my guilty pleasure because people want to expect this. 00:26:44 Speaker 7: I like, like a white boy, I. 00:26:45 Speaker 5: Like that every reference, I feel like it's for me because I'm like them did ten minutes on he Man. 00:26:50 Speaker 3: I'm like, that's my ship and it's only fifteen minutes long. Yeah. Yeah. 00:26:55 Speaker 5: By the way, he Man is on Netflix right now. That ship is so good, so good. No, no, I mean the. 00:27:01 Speaker 3: Cartoon and Killing Eve. I watched Killing Eve. 00:27:07 Speaker 7: I remember when Laundry played He. 00:27:09 Speaker 12: Man what's on Killing Killing Evendre and uh oh I just started just ordered it on. 00:27:22 Speaker 3: So it's good. It's good. You really enjoyed it. This season one is impeccable. Uh the joint I'm watching right now, I'm working with Snowfall. Yeah. Did Walter Mosley right that he is writing on like a lot of It's incredible what season one is like? Cooldress is one of my favorite movies of all time. 00:27:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the glow is like glow. I watched that. I watched him made sale. But I'm like lowed out already, Like I'm done. 00:27:49 Speaker 11: There's no way to boot like that, No way, Like you gotta have Hulu, right, excuse me, Bill, I'll call you thank you. 00:27:58 Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's saying he got it, he got the hook up. I thought we couldn't mention who'll give. 00:28:02 Speaker 3: You who passwork? They don't stream podcast. 00:28:06 Speaker 5: Words. 00:28:07 Speaker 2: But yeah, I pulled out on that. I was like, I'm good on that ship. Well that's the only thing I pulled out on TV show. But nah, man, that joint, I guess my guilty pleasure, yo, real rap bro like ninety Day fianceance Man, it. 00:28:27 Speaker 3: Comes on like Brivo. It comes on one on channels. 00:28:30 Speaker 2: It is basically a show about holes overseas, finessing military niggas in the States. It's real fantastic horse. Yeah, well, I mean what you call it, what's the political? 00:28:43 Speaker 3: The political? No no, no, not that sex work. No no, no, they're not sex workers. But well some of them are. Some of them are. 00:28:50 Speaker 2: Some of them really are, like they just want to move. It's just like they hustling niggas for green cars. It is. 00:28:56 Speaker 3: That's a show that's allowed. Yeah, yeah, and I guess maybe that makes it. They're not coming from shipthole counts noted. 00:29:06 Speaker 8: A lot of a know the real truth, that's what's said is like I watch a lot of dramas, and I watched a hell of I probably watched too much news. 00:29:12 Speaker 3: M S n b C. 00:29:15 Speaker 7: If you can name the first five people on the line of M S n b C like I can, you probably. 00:29:20 Speaker 3: Got a problem. I do have a problem, and I could name them. 00:29:23 Speaker 7: So passionate. I love her. 00:29:25 Speaker 3: I kind of had a that you said, because she like she's like work. 00:29:30 Speaker 7: I love her. 00:29:31 Speaker 3: No, No, no, I like how like punchy she is. She just she's just like she'll put like one arm back and she'll be like, what do you think about up in the morning. I'm like, she's already on the show. She loves the show. 00:29:44 Speaker 9: She's such as rulers listening to this. 00:29:47 Speaker 3: She's like, my bff, I were really hot. I never brought up to you guys, because I didn't think no, you didn't think it was the same. 00:29:55 Speaker 11: I've seen her stand up how she had some hicks and some dope ass ways Like she's like. 00:29:59 Speaker 7: What do you mean you didn't know that he's from Canada? What did you think he was from? 00:30:03 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:30:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great day. That was great. I remember that day. Jack. I've been trying to okay, okay, but this was incredible. Actually, this show is like a perfect the perfect vision camera. 00:30:25 Speaker 6: She was. 00:30:26 Speaker 3: That was my celebrity friend. She told me she is coming on. Uh is she cool? Secrets? Happy? Okay, secrets, something's about that happen Like, okay, four months, I'll support it. 00:30:40 Speaker 11: You can see her in the Andre Leon Tally documentary if you just happened to go by miss her. 00:30:45 Speaker 7: She's on that. She wanted to drop that because it's a really dope documentary. 00:30:49 Speaker 3: We have I ever told my Andre Leon Tally joke before so much. 00:30:55 Speaker 7: I've seen a documentary. 00:30:56 Speaker 3: No it's not about him, Okay, No. Once there's a go to Andre Leon Tallely with the with the that uh fur hat thing and his get up and it's like uh Russell's ex wife and I think spears and I thought it was jay Z was happy to hear it, and I hit him up, like, yo, that's that's a weird. Uh you hit up jay about this business? You know how many times he's been mad. 00:31:33 Speaker 2: But there is a picture of jay in like this weird fucking hat. Yeah, a real picture. 00:31:39 Speaker 3: If you look at it, you can google it and see like it looks more like jay Z than Andre And I was just like, I was like, interesting choice of code. Yeah there, sir, And. 00:31:47 Speaker 2: He was like that's not me and didn't talk to me for like three months. And yo, am I the only one that watches h G t V like around. 00:31:58 Speaker 3: I watched Property Brothers. Yeah yeah, that's my Property. 00:32:01 Speaker 7: Brothers, National House, Hunter's Honey International. 00:32:03 Speaker 3: House like International. I watched the Regular House. 00:32:06 Speaker 7: What's the one with the flip? 00:32:06 Speaker 9: Is it flip the house? None of that? 00:32:08 Speaker 3: You don't okay, I'm sorry. It does look like jay Z. See see it's not gonna enough. You're not gonna be Okay. 00:32:23 Speaker 2: He didn't talk to me for three months for that ship. That's all right, Bill? With what do you watch? What do I watch? Too much of? 00:32:32 Speaker 3: What's your show that you bringe out for yourself? I'm gonna go last Okay, I'm hey, you being watching? I plan on watching Better Calls Saw season four, like in a few weeks. Okay. How do you feel about Better Cross Saw? I love it. I love it now, I'm here and talk that it's better than Breaking Bad. 00:32:53 Speaker 5: I'm here and talk. I'm watching the different ship Durian musics on that. 00:33:00 Speaker 2: Not on Better Call, so I don't think, well, unless he hasn't showed up yet, I'm like behind. 00:33:03 Speaker 5: The episode or two. 00:33:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm buying a few, so I'm still in the middle. Three. So it's a different show. 00:33:09 Speaker 2: So I'm not really judging it by breaking bad standards because it's not about Walter White. It's not about you know, some dude becoming a meth dealer's. 00:33:16 Speaker 3: But it's about it. It's about you know, Jimmy turn it into Saw. Right, So it's a different journey. Now, what's your guilty pleasure? 00:33:25 Speaker 2: I spend way too much time watching the Fresh Prince bel Airs. You don't understand how much time I spend watching you feel guilty for the time. 00:33:36 Speaker 3: Okay, now a guilty pleasure show. 00:33:38 Speaker 11: I hear. 00:33:38 Speaker 2: I have not watched it, but I hear that it's like perfect guilty pleasure. Reverend runs new show. 00:33:44 Speaker 11: I tried to watch, that's I heard. But it's like scripted, y'all scripted. 00:33:49 Speaker 2: They tried to take his reality show and make it to a real show. Make it to a real show. So he's not playing, he's playing himself. But he has another name for. 00:33:58 Speaker 3: I'm about to say, shout out to you. Is it Red? 00:34:04 Speaker 7: No black ones? 00:34:05 Speaker 2: Right? 00:34:07 Speaker 3: All writers in the show got really really I'm in the bubble got the. 00:34:12 Speaker 7: Job on the Reverend. 00:34:14 Speaker 3: Damn, I've not watched one frame. 00:34:18 Speaker 7: Can google who kids better to look at? Not for nothing? But you know I wanted to see diggy hmm, Sorry. 00:34:25 Speaker 3: There it is child molesters. You are you too? 00:34:29 Speaker 7: Nigga's think the man of Suspect? 00:34:35 Speaker 5: What do you? 00:34:35 Speaker 3: What do you been there? I like to ark watching the Orange season Orange controversial for some reason. This season right dark? Is that what happened? I think they need to kind of wrap it up. I think this next season needs to be Have you'all seen More? Have y'all seen Wentworth? Yes, yes, that's all I'm saying what I thought you might have said it Because it's Australia's. 00:35:03 Speaker 5: It is so damn the same year it came out the same year too, Australia's Orangers and New Blake is called. 00:35:09 Speaker 3: Okay, okay anybody with gomor no. 00:35:16 Speaker 7: Person? 00:35:18 Speaker 2: Amazon, isn't it? Yeah, it's on Uh, it's on Netflix. I think season one and two on Netflix. And it's basically The Wire, but like how the Wire would be. It takes place in Italy, yes, and it's basically the Sicilian Mom. Yes, Mom, watching tonight. That ship is fucking dope. So it's based on a book like that. If you like, it's better than you know what I'm saying. 00:35:45 Speaker 7: You said is pretty good? 00:35:46 Speaker 3: Now better than is whooping. 00:35:53 Speaker 2: As it's based on a book, it's a real story about the Camorra crime family more like the guy that wrote it with the g Yeah, just like soone Moore and like the author that wrote it, like the nigga had to go like and hiding and ship like he's still more and someone's. 00:36:05 Speaker 3: Like, is this your porn? 00:36:08 Speaker 4: Man? 00:36:08 Speaker 3: But it's not what you expect. It's a guilty pleasure more as hard as nails. I think, I know what you're guilty pleasure, but what is it? Me Riverdale right now? Yeah, but yeah, that's what Arizona archies. But if archies were uh c w so good, so gossip girl, if the Archies were gossip Girl, it's so that's it. 00:36:39 Speaker 4: It is good. 00:36:40 Speaker 3: I watched, I watched. 00:36:42 Speaker 9: I hate how good it is, Like this is some good ship, all right, my guilty pleasure. 00:36:47 Speaker 3: No, you're you're a regular joints. 00:36:49 Speaker 9: I've been watching a cartoon on Netflix called Big Mouth right now. 00:36:53 Speaker 3: I pulled out of that one too. 00:36:54 Speaker 9: I was just like, I can't know, but it's just stupid to me. It's like, I guess it's like y'all watching those soaper. 00:37:02 Speaker 3: To me, it was I was just worried it. 00:37:04 Speaker 2: To me, the slope was kind of slippy because it's like, okay, these are teenage genitalia talking and I know it's animated. 00:37:11 Speaker 3: No I'm dead. 00:37:12 Speaker 9: I was just I was like, this angel and I don't it was it was it was too close to tell you. 00:37:18 Speaker 2: No. 00:37:19 Speaker 3: The one episode Jesus Christ is Genitalia. 00:37:24 Speaker 2: It's like like the Girls about going through puberty, and so it's one episode where like the girls vaginas and I was just like, dude, I can't do this. 00:37:33 Speaker 10: I am happy that the girls Vagina's getting as much time as the boys masturbation episode. 00:37:39 Speaker 9: That I was very, very pleasantly surprised. 00:37:44 Speaker 3: I think they got a second season to read Guilty. 00:37:48 Speaker 10: Pleasure, though. I'm with Diallo because I've watched too much Discovery. I d Wives with Knives because I literally called Discovery. I d the White on White Crime Channel. 00:38:01 Speaker 3: And then just watch like three hours of it. You'll be hood, Yeah, yeah, is it better than. 00:38:10 Speaker 9: Smart People? 00:38:13 Speaker 3: My show show? 00:38:15 Speaker 2: I think it came on I d was Nicked and Afraid. If you'll watched niked in, that's your gram all that I. 00:38:25 Speaker 3: Didn't watch it because you know there's anyone here watching Disenchantment. 00:38:30 Speaker 11: I watched it in the bathroom. In the last three days, I've been watching in the bathroom because I can't. It's no windows in the hotel for me to do what I do, So I put it on my phone and watch Disenchantment the show the bathroom. 00:38:42 Speaker 3: It's Matt Groening's read what I'm saying. 00:38:45 Speaker 7: We have no bad. 00:38:47 Speaker 3: Series, okay with what's your name from? Abby? Oh? There you go, allright, Abby from Rock City. Okay, it's just like an animated magroning and what's your name from? Yeah? 00:39:07 Speaker 7: I never was that, like really it was good going and you can't in the Law and Order you watch. 00:39:14 Speaker 3: You got good? You got good taste. I'm co signing mad ship on this side. 00:39:24 Speaker 4: All right? 00:39:26 Speaker 3: Damn wait you had to answer the question. 00:39:28 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:39:28 Speaker 3: I was like, you guys are so uh well rounded with your choices, like I'm barely keeping up with all the own stuff, like I've just gotten the Queen Sugar said, watch watching Queen Sugar. I'm not doing that. Are you watching? 00:39:42 Speaker 6: Good? 00:39:43 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, man, fucking this angel needs to talk. Every actually told me that they spend twice the budget money and post uh turning up trying to adjust, he whispers. Anyway, uh yeah, so every green leaf that what else am I missing on? 00:40:08 Speaker 2: Own? 00:40:08 Speaker 3: That's a that's a drama. Isn't there a third? Love is love is too big on? I gave it an that's the time period, the serious drama thing that's on the level of Queen Sugar and Greenleaf Ship. Could I forget y'all fixed my life? Pretty nigga? Yeah, that's pretty great. 00:40:33 Speaker 2: Oh my god, because the greatest part about it is like after every show, it's like, since appearing on the Yalling Picks my life ship has gotten exponentially worse. 00:40:43 Speaker 3: That's like the end of every show. She never picked. 00:40:49 Speaker 5: It's almost like she she tells him more specific reasons to hate each other. You don't like him because he reminds you of your mama. Who laughing, You're like, can I pitch something? I've a sure of the pitch. No, No, here's here's I'll open up to the room. 00:41:03 Speaker 8: Is there a show because you mentioned to two seven again, is there a show that Netflix can pluck out of the past, out of the black past and do like the serious, the serious. 00:41:15 Speaker 3: Version version Archie to Riverdale to seven Family Matters Living in Chicago, Chicago with the nerd. Yeah, that was like the whitest, blackest show. This is all about what happened to Judy. Oh yeah, she w yeah she went upstairs and talking about her going into porn. I'm talking about why did you care? Went upstairs? And then they never did like all right, that's it. Yeah, that was it. 00:41:50 Speaker 5: That was like ALF. 00:41:52 Speaker 8: Golf got canceled, but they ended on a cliffhanger. Technically, technically the end of Alpha is the scientists dragging. 00:42:00 Speaker 3: He's like, will. 00:42:04 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm still man, y'all. 00:42:06 Speaker 9: Show didn't get on the air, and somebody pitched ALF and got rich. 00:42:11 Speaker 3: There's a they say that was about. 00:42:14 Speaker 8: They said ALF is hands down the angriest, nastiest, most toxic set in the history. 00:42:22 Speaker 2: Of the Dad was on crack. And then that wrote it was yeah, yeah, your dad, your dad on real crack. 00:42:32 Speaker 9: I heard Small Wonder was the worst. 00:42:34 Speaker 3: Can we small Wonder that I'm gonna make a little girl, Marrie? Just google ALF, Dad crack House. I don't want you. 00:42:45 Speaker 2: The writer from ALF also the boy from Basketball Diaries, that movie, the movie that I remember the movie but and he was about It was about a writer that his life was all fucked up. He was the guy that rolle ALF. He was a drug addict. Ship Yeah, oh that makes sense. No, my guilty. I will stick with what I really think yours is. 00:43:06 Speaker 3: I will say that if I'm in bed and I don't feel like reaching for the remote and there's a Kardashian Marathon, I won't rush to change the channel, like I'm just too lazy. 00:43:22 Speaker 8: When I was on Fallin because like it reminded me of living in l A. You know what I'm saying, Like like you see the freeways, you see like you'll be like. 00:43:29 Speaker 3: Oh, just look at all that. 00:43:32 Speaker 8: Like it was it was like a little postcard from home. Regardless of who they were talking. You know they're talking. 00:43:37 Speaker 3: About it's only like three episodes and then I gotta stop, like I find myself getting sucked in. 00:43:42 Speaker 5: The show is not popular because it sucks. You know, it's a good show. The reason is super popular is because it's like, but I feel super guilty for watching it. 00:43:51 Speaker 3: We'll take one last break and then we'll finish our last object and then we got to wrap up the showize. 00:43:59 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, it sounds like you donald this like example that this was written by Michael McDonald's Daryl Hall. 00:44:09 Speaker 3: There's there's no stuff, but it's sounds like Daryl Hall. 00:44:15 Speaker 7: Right, Michael McDonald, I believe every day I got stuff. 00:44:25 Speaker 3: Okay, count the negatives. Here we go. 00:44:29 Speaker 9: You can't. 00:44:37 Speaker 3: All right? 00:44:41 Speaker 4: That was like. 00:44:43 Speaker 3: Shout, that's a matter. That's the they were painting exactly. 00:44:51 Speaker 4: Michael das Davis version went there. 00:45:02 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, shout out the. 00:45:04 Speaker 5: Original Kim Tenderness, Yes Kim is file Erbow nineteen seventy seven. But yes, that's my one of my favorite records, one of the best records I've made. 00:45:15 Speaker 3: My final question is already is Hollywood running out of ideas? All these No, should we reboot many I'm just outside of the studio. I just seen a sign for magnum. 00:45:30 Speaker 9: P I see that's that's new ideas. 00:45:34 Speaker 10: But if they think they can make more money on a reboot, we are the We are sellers and networks are buyers, and we go in and we pitch a new idea. 00:45:41 Speaker 9: Say I want to pitch black Girl lives in a pinball machine. 00:45:44 Speaker 3: They'll say that's sold. Say no, they're going to go through the whatever. 00:45:50 Speaker 9: Maath they used to see which one's going to bring in more money. 00:45:52 Speaker 3: So it's not that we don't boots that already has a building that's already been successful. Yeah, has been on the air for like nine seasons. 00:46:01 Speaker 8: I haven't seen one episode, but like anytime, like I'm at home and I turned on CBS on a Friday night, you'll see Hawaii. That's a reboot and it's been on for nine yes seasons of those guys were on Lost. 00:46:14 Speaker 3: They just stayed on the island of Hawaii. Another show coming, y'all. I feel it's still a toxic night on television. I think so. 00:46:24 Speaker 8: Actually, no, I don't think so, because isn't Blue Blood's on Friday too. I feel like CBS has a bunch of dramas on Friday, and they've been all they're all. 00:46:33 Speaker 3: Successful, and Friday night like the lay up night, like that's the boot up night. Saturday Night is the I think. 00:46:40 Speaker 8: I think what it is is CBS knows their audience. They're all really old. They have not cut the day. They don't even know what cutting the cord is about. And so they're just like, ah, this shows about the cops, and then this other shows about more cops on Hawaii. 00:46:53 Speaker 7: So like they like cops, cops in hospitals. 00:46:56 Speaker 5: Everything is like a lazy trend too, Like they all was saying we were the HBO girl was successful, so they try to make everything like that. Roseanne has been a successful reboots and now you see all these reboots coming. But the other part of that equation, I think is Also, the TV viewers are just a lot older than people think they are. 00:47:11 Speaker 7: So are we ready for the Martin reboot? 00:47:14 Speaker 3: Is that going to happen? 00:47:15 Speaker 7: They were talking about it. 00:47:16 Speaker 9: I don't know that. 00:47:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, trust me, friends, some things just need to be left alone. Sometimes you just fun up when you just bring it back. Like Roseanne, she sucked that up that we was like, I'm saying it would have been I saw it wasn't want I didn't. 00:47:42 Speaker 3: Want to go against Cosby back when they were like going Addy. 00:47:46 Speaker 9: You know you never watched it? 00:47:49 Speaker 3: Catch it enjoyed today? 00:47:51 Speaker 5: Actually that's the show I love. I love I know this family. I always wanted to see a black person you watched. 00:47:58 Speaker 9: Did they explain how the white guys wouldn't kiss a black girl back in the day? Adopted a white girl a black girl? 00:48:03 Speaker 7: You try to say, DJ, what you mean you mean on the episode when they have that's the things that they haven't. 00:48:10 Speaker 3: That's what I think. That's why they why they had him adopted. 00:48:13 Speaker 7: Black and they hadn't gotten to that yet. 00:48:15 Speaker 11: There were so many original characters that I thought was dope that there were still a part of the show they brought back that they were still getting couple. 00:48:21 Speaker 3: Yet I felt like they were treating that black girl on the show is like a mask. 00:48:26 Speaker 7: Yes, And I was like, is she his because she's on. 00:48:29 Speaker 3: Different strokes Oliver on Bunch like just the mister d Did the Bundes have another child at the seven? 00:48:40 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:48:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime a baby showed up on a sitcom, that's when you know that. On the Contine Winnie and Nelson, Winnie and Nelson raving Simon, I didn't. 00:48:52 Speaker 5: Know she was great, but she absolutely was an injection of all right, we need some new characters. 00:48:57 Speaker 3: Then that was a mistake. I mean that I don't understand that they brought the and like Howard, I was. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: Like because even like it was either if you knew what sick comes a by the end, when like a baby showed up or when Bumpy. 00:49:16 Speaker 3: Like when he showed up. 00:49:17 Speaker 2: It's like I was gonna say when Colonel Taylor married Lisa, but you know that was that happened? 00:49:22 Speaker 7: Oh my god, watch you remind me of Yeah, that was uncomfortable. Then she got pregnant and it was like, oh, we're all really doing this. 00:49:31 Speaker 5: Actors were uncomfortable. They were like reading that script like what. 00:49:36 Speaker 3: Yo, I hate you? Right, now pull up the rock that nigga that nigga plarent so fun Wait one one. 00:49:45 Speaker 2: Word, that one place where that rule does not work. On Living Single, he showed he was. He was in the early seasons as like one of agious assistants or something like, oh wow, okay, I didn't watch The Living Single like that, but I forgot an underrated show. 00:49:58 Speaker 3: The show was so rated. I didn't watch them singing like that. Now. 00:50:01 Speaker 2: My assumption was that show was so good and I like, but I didn't watch a lot of TV like in the nineties, like I was just always this music. 00:50:08 Speaker 5: I was saying the Living Single was was it was underrated because my assumptions the times were about to get a bunch of new shows like this, and I was wrong. There wasn't a bunch of because my friend, that show is so good. Yeah, but that shows I think that show is personally better than Friends. 00:50:23 Speaker 9: Shout out Betty Bowser. 00:50:25 Speaker 5: Yes, well, at least the beginning. I mean Friends, I will admit towards the middle of Handyman on that. 00:50:30 Speaker 9: Show, Overton over. 00:50:36 Speaker 3: Man, it was funny, a little too much like your mama. He used always do this prince joke, like maybe I'm just like my mama. 00:50:43 Speaker 5: Yeah, a little too much like Big He was hilarious sequence, but Eric Alexander, I thought was big. 00:50:53 Speaker 9: Called her big Legs, and havn't called her big legs. 00:50:56 Speaker 3: Her name was big Legs, big less. Wait a minute, Okay, I mean learning, learning, all right, So I've learned, uh these past two hours that uh that what we learned. Oh yeah, what we learned. Yeah, we got to bring it back. Yeah. So I've learned that, uh that reboots are not a good idea, but you guys are pitching new ideas and executives are ignoring. Uh, and I'm also getting the feeling that we won't overcome What did you learn from? 00:51:33 Speaker 6: Man? 00:51:33 Speaker 3: I learned it? 00:51:35 Speaker 2: Well, It's hard to say because I've known everyone pretty much for a while. But uh, but but no, I mean, I just I hope what I hope people see is just how long it takes to achieve your dream. I mean, just from knowing Aerngie from okay player and like knowing where she's come from, and then just watching these cats like go through yeah seven yeah, yeah, like they from they started with a web series and the message like an old seven before the yeah, even before fouling and like just seeing how long it takes to actually gain. 00:52:07 Speaker 3: Some ground in this ship man like forever. 00:52:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a testament that's just hardworking, just perseverance. 00:52:15 Speaker 3: What did you learn? 00:52:16 Speaker 11: I learned there needs to be a slew of domestic writing workshops for women, especially the black ones, especially when it comes to comedy. I kind of already knew that, but I just wanted to reiterate that to the world because I got Angela in my life who tells me this all the. 00:52:29 Speaker 3: Time, but how are you on your journey? 00:52:33 Speaker 11: And well, I got these two gigs from Questlove Supreme, so I haven't been necessarily working on my dreams like I should have. But I think after we've done this marathon and recordings in La, it's time she did a stand. 00:52:45 Speaker 3: Up you did? 00:52:46 Speaker 2: She did like five minutes. Uh when we were there for Rooth's picnic. When did this comedy thing? 00:52:52 Speaker 4: Right? 00:52:53 Speaker 3: She did like five minutes. I recorded it. 00:52:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, we still got to talk about but I recorded it. And I'm not like a stand up for me, nothing like that. I just recorded it and I watched it. You just gotta write some jokes like her. She's no I'm dead as she's gotta write some jokes like her come from under that when she stepped on stage. The one thing I will say, and I mean we talked briefly her command of the stage is really fucking dope. When you stepped on stage, charismatic people were listening like you had them at every word. 00:53:29 Speaker 3: There was just no jokes, but like, but you had good premises, like you had a no no, I mean. 00:53:36 Speaker 4: You had that thing. 00:53:37 Speaker 2: You had a thing where you were like talking about living in l A as a black woman in l A. Which was like a funny premise, you know what I mean. 00:53:43 Speaker 11: But it just. 00:53:51 Speaker 3: You're on the right path. Talk about. 00:53:56 Speaker 4: That time. 00:54:02 Speaker 3: Now, we've been here for one hundred plus episodes, and the common theme that we've learned from every artist we have an interviewed on the show is that the wisdom and the knowledge come from the failure part. 00:54:14 Speaker 7: And now you're quiet listening, I'm listening, listening. 00:54:19 Speaker 3: Now you're quiet. I'm just saying that we've we've got every comedian has gone through this. Dude, I secretly go through this. Even the world that I occasionally get along. 00:54:31 Speaker 7: I understand. Angeler came to my first ever comedy show, and I was nervous for that. She was sitting in the. 00:54:37 Speaker 3: Your bravorit person that I am, because no one I know has ever seen me get on stage. I know you many times. You've been here for those smoke too much weed? Are we Are we doing that? 00:54:54 Speaker 5: Are we doing that? 00:54:57 Speaker 3: I would like something. My point is that, yes, in order for you to get better, you have to keep doing it. Yeah, you gotta start in the mail room. So I think you're on the right path. 00:55:08 Speaker 2: Now. 00:55:08 Speaker 3: She started out like I mean, she had. Have you been on stage since the Roots picnic? Anyway? What else have you learned that? 00:55:19 Speaker 9: That's good? 00:55:20 Speaker 7: I'm done. 00:55:20 Speaker 3: You gotta do this weekly. 00:55:21 Speaker 7: I don't have no more. 00:55:23 Speaker 3: Is the comedy act theater? Theater is still a thing in l A. Or is that like a thing of the past. 00:55:28 Speaker 9: There's many open we can get Baker maker, I would love to make here. 00:55:32 Speaker 7: Now, Okay, let's do it, maker natural, I'll go with you. 00:55:36 Speaker 5: All. 00:55:37 Speaker 3: This will help you. This will help in a lot of areas. 00:55:39 Speaker 7: You're gonna start the sweating, Lord child, Okay, sweating. 00:55:43 Speaker 6: But the fact that they're listening to that, he's saying that they were listening. Yeah, that's really your your half. That's half always half the battle, right, So huge, huge. I know a lot of comedians who are funny, but they can't hold that audience. 00:55:56 Speaker 7: Okay, so that's something that they listen to. 00:55:58 Speaker 9: You did you learn I did. 00:56:03 Speaker 7: I learned that when I work a long day, maybe I should come do a pack. 00:56:10 Speaker 9: I got. 00:56:12 Speaker 7: No, no, no, actually I did learn that from you guys. 00:56:16 Speaker 6: I didn't realize that writers go through the same kind of long hustle comedians go through. I did not realize how long the fight was, and I think that's interesting. 00:56:27 Speaker 2: Did not realize the grind is the thing, like, yeah, can I just I learned I'm gonna be real tired tomorrow. 00:56:35 Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you go. 00:56:37 Speaker 5: Are we going in the Okay? 00:56:38 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:56:39 Speaker 4: What I learned? 00:56:41 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:56:41 Speaker 3: Man, I learned that. I learned Donald Lover was brought on to write for Tracy Morgan. I would tell that YE call him. 00:56:59 Speaker 9: Yes, I knew, I say, I've heard I've never heard. 00:57:02 Speaker 2: That, and I know people if he was in the room, like, oh, I got a great two for line. I got a great Uh, I got a great line for Juree. No, no, I learned this Jordan and Bill Cosby bought NBC right exactly. I learned this fact tried to buy him. 00:57:26 Speaker 3: It was one of my favorite songs. And when I asked about it because I got to know Jeff, Tina's husband who does the music for the show, he explained to me that, yes, Donald wrote this and then also explain that, you know, he. 00:57:42 Speaker 9: Was I'm agreeing with the way the the way y'all saw unless you are in the writer's room. 00:57:52 Speaker 10: I'm just I've heard people say you write all of Tarik's rhymes and and it's like they say that, and I'm like, you're an electrician, how the hell you know? 00:58:01 Speaker 3: I got another question now, I was about to let the show go. How uh how small is the world as far as like writers rooms are concerned, Like, oh I heard stuff about uh that particular show, and like, like I said, writers rooms versus writers rooms, Like how fast does news travel about certain shows? 00:58:22 Speaker 8: You can travel real fast. If they're friends who work on shows, You'll be like, oh, man, that how motherfucker came in there and he he. 00:58:30 Speaker 3: Told so, and so you you fired? You know, like all that tuf you know, Okay, without naming is there a show? Just is there? 00:58:39 Speaker 6: It? 00:58:39 Speaker 3: Was Neil Simon is the show shows My gossip is old? Is there a list of shows that's like, uh, the top three shows I know never to ever approach or to go to, Like you've heard that, I'm show Game of Throw work for, Yes, there's a Game of Throw. 00:59:00 Speaker 8: This is literally two guys and their staff writers. So that's like one of the smallest. 00:59:03 Speaker 9: Rooms the mist producers you know, or showrunners that people say not to work for. But I will also say that when Methan Red got canceled, it was the shot black writers heard around. 00:59:10 Speaker 3: The world. 00:59:13 Speaker 9: Existed because again, at this point, I'm the only black writer in. 00:59:24 Speaker 3: The room you wrote on that show. You No, it was literally. 00:59:29 Speaker 10: Traveled around because from what I hear and again this is passed it down the line, but there was there was a room full of white writers and Methan Red didn't like what was being written and someone they were like, yeah, he shoved him in the face, and they were like and Methan Red called it a mush and the mushed him in the. 00:59:47 Speaker 3: Face like they were teaching them about yeah, and so it was like and. 00:59:51 Speaker 10: They were like, you just don't come to Hollywood and we give you a show and you mush people. And so for the next seven weeks, I could you know I heard was rappers come in to Hollywood, mushed people, they don't a ship. 01:00:01 Speaker 9: And then I'm the one black person room. I'm like, I didn't mush anybody, while y'all looking at me. I've never even heard that word. 01:00:08 Speaker 3: So I also learned not to believe everything I hear when it comes from Jeff Richmond. You would you learn? 01:00:16 Speaker 8: I learned two things. I learned that Stephanie Ruhl listens to QLs. That's that's pretty fun. I also learned that Hal Lindon is still alive and man Ron Glasses and so, you know, shout out to Hal wherever you are and. 01:00:31 Speaker 3: Has been gone. No, he just recently died. 01:00:34 Speaker 8: Oh really, And shout out to the guys who make it through their nineties. I love that documentary. The fact that No Brooks and Carl Reiner is still buddies and they still hang out in the afternoon, that's amazing to me. 01:00:49 Speaker 3: Soash Bill, where'd you learn? 01:00:51 Speaker 2: I learned that if I ever want to get a show in the air, don't take it to HBO unless I have like a decade away. 01:01:00 Speaker 3: You would think that with Netflix and the way that streaming cer I think that's changing. By the way, I think things are changing. I think our experience devastating. 01:01:10 Speaker 2: We were still a little bit unique and what you know are for the course, well you know, well, you know what, man like, I had a homie that was working on they were doing a they were doing a Lewis and Clark. 01:01:21 Speaker 8: It was supposed to be it was it was like three four years they developed. That's that's the one that took eight years. Yeah, and they and Clark took eight years to develop. And I had a homie that was working he was in that show and they were just like, nah, fuck it. Look, I think that's changed a lot because you know, for the first time, Netflix got more nominations in HBO. I think Netflix, I think things are I think I think the industry is changing. I got a bunch of parties aways. You know, I'm actually to go back to your point earlier. I'm becoming more of a student of how people consume. So I'm finding out that like vo D doesn't really count towards your ratings, but people watching on the app does, Like, so maybe stay on the people on the tech side to make sure that the app doesn't crash when too many people are trying to watch the show through the app. Like, there are a lot of ways the technology and the and the UH and and the content creation are colliding. I think it's smart for all creators to educate yourself. Man, well, I guess O D doesn't count towards ratings. It's complicated like the apps and UH. I saw a chart and we actually have a meeting next week at i f C on this. But like there is a chart that shows you, like which things count actually towards your ratings and which things are lovely? 01:02:31 Speaker 3: But they do not? Oh, man, I guess where we should go? 01:02:34 Speaker 2: We should ask you all, like for young writers trying to come up, like what would you say to him? 01:02:38 Speaker 3: We should said that. But hang on, so sugar, Steve, can you tell us what you learned that Steve is not on the MIC. 01:02:46 Speaker 2: I know this. 01:02:49 Speaker 3: At IT I learned Steve Mandela, I don't like to be the only white guy in the room. You can only takes so much that Steve gave you your platform. You're not here. 01:03:00 Speaker 4: What did you learn? 01:03:02 Speaker 10: I actually just learned through texted my services will not be needed on the last OG do to something. 01:03:09 Speaker 9: Somebody in the sad room snitching about some kid. 01:03:14 Speaker 3: I'd be hilarious for real. 01:03:16 Speaker 9: The thing that I learned is that Fante has really shitty taste in TV. 01:03:22 Speaker 3: I watched my say by myself, Thank you very much. Fuck y'all. What's your question? 01:03:29 Speaker 2: Oh no, just for like young writers trying to get into the game, Like what would y'all tell them? I mean other than like start twenty five years ago, but to Harvard and go to Harvard. 01:03:38 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 01:03:39 Speaker 8: I don't know answer real quick. I think that I always tell people. I'm like, you know, write every day, get good at writing. If you're if you claim to be a writer, then you should love doing it. You know what I'm saying. Nobody puts a gun to your head and says, hey, make music. You know what I'm saying, Like, just do it. You just do it because that's what you want to do. You'll get good at it, you know, over time and and and always, you know, stick with yourself. And that doesn't necessarily mean you got to write a show about a person who grew up in your hometown who came to Hollywood to try to be a writer. Because I always say, George Lucas didn't grow up flying spaceships. Like whatever is in you know, your interests, like write it, write it all the time. Don't ask everybody that you know to you know, read you constantly. Like once you write it and it's really really good, be happy that anybody reads anything that you give them. And please give them at least a couple of weeks even months to read it, because I think everybody in this room has had that person who's like. 01:04:38 Speaker 3: Hey, man, you you read it. Yeah, I sent it to you at five pm. You know, like that's the thing. To read a script so hard. 01:04:44 Speaker 2: It took me even like I was just like, man, like, it took me a while to learn like how to read scripts. 01:04:50 Speaker 8: And even the best writer may have terrible advice for how to fix your script. So at the end of the day, you have to believe in it. You have to know how to fix it. 01:04:58 Speaker 5: I tell people, you know, when young writers ask me all the time, I say, you know, you gotta be really hard in your work, like extremely hard in your work. Make sure the people who read it are not gonna be nice about it, but people who have good taste. But then also really make something because nobody wants to read the script like I'd rather you send me a link to some ship I can watch and let me see how good you are, because I'm not about to read ten pages. 01:05:21 Speaker 3: Make something, make something. 01:05:23 Speaker 9: I would say, don't don't steal ideas, don't steal like. 01:05:32 Speaker 6: Know, some young writers will go, oh, I like that, I'm gonna write that, but that's already on. 01:05:38 Speaker 7: You know, what are you like what you're saying? 01:05:40 Speaker 6: What are you passionate about? 01:05:41 Speaker 3: Hmm? 01:05:43 Speaker 7: And Shonda Rhimes did say that, and she said, don't steal. 01:05:45 Speaker 3: Don't steal. It's crazy, all right? 01:05:50 Speaker 7: Well say something or tripping? 01:05:52 Speaker 3: Did you say something and you ain't had no advice? 01:06:03 Speaker 10: My advice actually would be if you want to be in a writer's room is to not only get good at writing, but you should maybe take an improv class if you're not good at being around people, because you can't. 01:06:15 Speaker 8: And by the way, that's not always my biggest advice, especially in comedy. My biggest advice for people who want to come up no matter what they want to do, direct, act, write anything. If you haven't done that much and you're still figuring out what you want to do, take an improv class because you'll be around other people who have similar interests and then at some point you'll figure out, well, that person has an eye for something, this person is a better writer than an actor, and this person is a star in the making. You'll you'll create a network of people. Me and Bashir's first foray into this thing was just doing a sketch show with our friends, you know, for for no money at a theater and wow, we looked up one day and by the way, that was a hell of a sketch group. Our very first foray into anything was the form of a six person sketch group. I look back on who is in that sketch gyp is me and Basheer, Why it's an Robin the d and and Andrela Yarborough and nobody had done anything. We thought why it was the start because he had written. He had written on a season of King of the Hill. He was the start of the because of that. 01:07:13 Speaker 3: So there you go, Oh yeah. 01:07:15 Speaker 10: I think writers, especially people want to get into TV film get so caught up in the how the right and I have to put interior exterior ninety well sixty percent of this business is managing people and getting along with other people in personalities, and you can't read that in any book. 01:07:30 Speaker 9: So I would say, work on your people skills. 01:07:33 Speaker 3: Okay, well we learned a lot. That's good. Okay, so I think we wrapped up our special Hollywood Shuffle episode. You'll fix my freestyle. Yeah right, you'll fix my freestyle on the edit never Yeah, it's not one take hold. We all got it. So that take sad? What that movie still is? By the way, Yeah, ladies and gentlemen pressed out to my nine nurs Oh look look you just step in the room. Boy bye by, did you learn anything? All hilarious? Well on behalf of Oh wait, time out. I forgot y'all think I'm I'm bugging. I can't let this moment go by without a moment of oh god, yeah make up. Yes, I'm sorry, Bill, I gotta do this. Is this. 01:08:32 Speaker 7: Let's go twenty one jump street, let's go come on now? 01:08:38 Speaker 3: Uh one more time? One hundred ways? 01:08:43 Speaker 4: All right, I. 01:08:46 Speaker 3: Don't know that's next? No? Is that moonlight? So that did sound a little moon lighting? Miami vice. 01:09:04 Speaker 5: I got that one and. 01:09:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, second, second, second, last one? 01:09:16 Speaker 5: All right, all right, we be happy that was That was no way to spend three minutes. 01:09:20 Speaker 3: Thank you. Sorry, well, you. 01:09:22 Speaker 5: Know, I'm just want to be. 01:09:27 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:09:29 Speaker 3: By the way, that was the spokesperson for Cracker. 01:09:36 Speaker 4: Go By. I see. 01:09:40 Speaker 3: My show on. 01:09:56 Speaker 1: West Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 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