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Here's Paul KELVC. 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: Get the popcorn ready. It's gonna be a show and 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Ron will fleep. It doesn't get any better than that. 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Unleash the far. Today, the NFL sent out a memo 14 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley official letterhead from the NFL where they put 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: dates on offseason events. They actually define their offseason calendar. 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: That's all that. Yeah, the Rookie Mini Caamp, the offseason workouts, 17 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: they Randatory Mini Camp, all the above. Obviously, they forgot 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: to put a date out there for the original Thursday 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: Night Football. The Big Red Raid presented by Santan Ford 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: in Gilbert. We are Santan Ford and we do have 21 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: plenty to talk about. Oh, I don't know, Ron Wolfley. 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: There's a draft class out there. There's an international player 23 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: has been allocated to the Cardinals. We have existing Cardinals 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: changing numbers to single digits. We had a run on 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: long snappers in the draft, I mean, all the wolf 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: So much to talk about, including an in depth conversation 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: coming up with the coach of the cornerbacks assistant Greg Williams, 28 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: who has a couple of Day three corners who certainly 29 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: don't test like Day three quarters and or talk like 30 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Day three cornerbacks, Greg Williams, right around the corner here 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: on the big Red Ring. Yeah, Paully can't wait to 32 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: actually talk to Greg Williams. But it is very, very 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: interesting right here we are the free agent period. Of course, 34 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: for the most part, for all intents and purposes, is over. 35 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: In the draft, now is over, and what is the 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: next step in the off season. It is getting some 37 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: of these rookies assimilated, of course, to the offense, to 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: the defense. It's getting some of these new guys assimilated 39 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: as well. And it's so interesting, Paully, because I never 40 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: thought you could get better in the off season, not 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: the National Football League. You gotta put the mouthguard in, 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: you gotta put the shoulder pads on the helmet. If 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: you don't have the mouthguard in, you can't get better 44 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Well, I believe that until 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Steve Breston. I don't know if you remember it, Paully 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven to two thousand and eight. The 47 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: transformation that happened in the off season does Steve Breston 48 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: was profound and that totally changed my opinion as to 49 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: whether or not you can actually get better in the 50 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: off season. Nobody, and I mean nobody in mind. Now, 51 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: what seventeen years as a Cardinal sideline reporter got yelled 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: at as a rookie more than Steve Breston by Kurt Warner. 53 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how many times as a rookie, 54 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Kurt would come to the sideline and just starts screaming Steve, 55 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: and then Steve would be hin under the gatorade table. 56 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's just but you're right. By the time 57 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: he got to year number two, he was a different player. Man. 58 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: He was a heck of a player until he injured 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: his knee for a few Mollie, it was incredible. It 60 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: really was a transformation. Once again, I forget how many 61 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: receptions he had, Maybe it was eighteen in two thousand 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and seventy at seventy seven the next year, he went 63 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: from ninety two yards receiving. This is in my head, 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: I kid you not. I'm not looking at anything, at 65 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: anything ninety two yards in two thousand and seven to 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: a thousand and six in two thousand and eight. Can 67 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: you imagine that, Paul, I mean a thousand yard receiver 68 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: when you had ninety two yards receiving the year previous. 69 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: That was the year where the Cardinals had three one 70 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: thousand yard receivers, Anquan Bolt and Steve Preston and Todd 71 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Haley almost got punched at the end of Week sixteen 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: because remember they ran a few plays to Steve Preston 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: in a game that was out of hand, and the 74 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: opposing coaching staff it might have been Seattle, I can't remember, 75 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: they did not take kindly to the Cardinals getting the 76 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: ball to Steve Preston and getting him that thousand yards 77 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: at their expense and a lotsided loss. What is the 78 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: point of all of this? These new additions, especially the 79 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: young guys. They can get better in an off season. 80 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: Now we got to just execute the off season. That's good. 81 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: About fifty nine minutes from now, Wolf will not be 82 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: able to find his car keys. He won't remember where 83 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: he put his sunglasses, but he did remember the rookie 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: yardage from Steve Breston for two thousand and seven. We 85 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: are often running on the fig red rage presented by 86 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: Santan Boord and Gilbert. We are Satan for it is time. 87 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: There's the car. A big decision forthcoming for the Big 88 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Red the Arizona Cardinals, Same Big Cardinals. We're gonna gild 89 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: every day. This kid is an athletic great, a monster 90 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: in a great pick. I think the Cardinals kind of start. 91 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Rundo might be the most dynamic player in this entire draft. 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: Rundal More, we'll get the first job and much more 93 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: this kid. After three days of the twenty twenty one 94 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: NFL draft of Cardinals, at the end of it all 95 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: have seven new players are Victor d and Cage again 96 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: Interla winked pleasure and it's seven Collins with a second 97 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: about it just a little montage their courtesy Bear Jim 98 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: Almohundro the Cardinals Draft Class two thousand and twenty one. 99 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: It is the Big Red Range presented by satan Ford 100 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: and Gilbert. We are Satan Ford, Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley, 101 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: And this time a week ago, going into the draft, 102 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: wolf remember you and Dave were racing to get the 103 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: name Zaven Collins out of your mouth, right, both of 104 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: you guys, We're going with him. I mean, who would 105 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: think here on May six, the Arizona Cardinals wouldn't have 106 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: an official answer from Larry Fitzgerald yet as to his future, 107 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: but they do have a middle linebacker who's nearly six five, 108 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: two sixty and he's coming in and the comps are 109 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: anywhere from Tremaine Edmonds to a Brian or Lacker. All 110 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: I know was on draft night with mister Pash we 111 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: were doing the coverage wolf I wrote MLBMI board and 112 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: I said, the m equals mean, give me a middle 113 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: linebacker who's mean, who can actually set the tone and 114 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: fill the gaps in that front seven and just snuff 115 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: out the run game. And this guy checks a lot 116 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: of boxes, Zavan Collins. Yeah, PAULI. Going into the draft, 117 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people that thought Zaban Collins 118 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: would be somewhere in the twenties, you know, anywhere from 119 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: twenty four twenty five. I heard as high as twenty 120 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: one maybe in there, but he really seemed to climb 121 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: up some draft boards as we neared the draft, and 122 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals took him there obviously at number sixteen. I 123 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: love the fact he's a box player that's six five 124 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: and two hundred and sixty pounds, you know me, Paullly, 125 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: I love that. You know, here's a guy that hopefully 126 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: he's going to stick his face into the fire and 127 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna be physical. I think a stronger version of 128 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: Vikings linebacker Anthony bar Think of Anthony Bar right, here's 129 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Anthony Barr six five. Anthony Barr is a guy that 130 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: weighs two hundred and forty five, two hundred and fifty 131 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: five pounds somewhere in there. And yet Anthony Barr plays 132 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: on the week side inside for the most part, and 133 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: they'll move him on the line of scrimmage and bring 134 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: him off the edge as well. I think Zaven Collins 135 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: is like Anthony Barr, except he's going to be playing 136 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: with a little bit more, but he'll be playing that 137 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: Mike linebacker, but you can still take Zaven Collins and 138 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: move him to the edge and bring him off the edge, 139 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: just like Anthony bar Paul. They asked him what's his 140 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: favorite aspect of playing defense. He said, well, other than 141 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: the takeaway, it's tackle for loss. I loved hearing that. 142 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: It just it tells you about his mentality. Yeah, honestly, 143 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: And we talked Avants Joseph about this and he brought 144 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: it up on his own. The biggest need for the 145 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals on defense, arguably other than maybe corner at this 146 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: point and trying to figure that out, was run defense. 147 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: They finished in the bottom third. So if you're adding 148 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: a jj wad who led the NFL and tackles for 149 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: losses against the run, and now you get his Zaven Collins. 150 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: But in addition to that, Wolf, when I heard about 151 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: his ability to cover the running back and the tight end, 152 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: and look, Jordan Hicks has been a lot of things 153 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: for the ears on a Cardinals the last couple of years, 154 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: but he has struggled at times. It's been a mismatch 155 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: when he's had to cover the back out of the 156 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: backfield or tight ends down the seam. And if you're 157 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: telling him he Zaven Collins has the athleticism and obviously 158 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: the size to be that guy that goes a long 159 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: way for advanced Joseph and his game planning, no doubt 160 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: about it, BULLYE. And that was a weird thing about 161 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks as well. When he came in. He had 162 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: the reputation of being a guy that was a really 163 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: good cover mic backer and he has struggled with And 164 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: I think he'd be the first one to tell you 165 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: that I love this because I think Jordan Hicks also 166 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: is going to be if he's given the opportunity, I 167 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: think he's going to be an excellent mentor to Zaven Collins. Now, 168 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: once again, I'm not saying that he's going to capitulate 169 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: the position. I'm not all right Jordan Hicks to me, 170 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: if he's given that opportunity, I think Jordan Hicks is 171 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: going to compete and it's not going to be easy. 172 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: But I do see him being an excellent mentor. He's 173 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: a brilliant individual. He really is any good dude as well, 174 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: and I could see him passing on a lot of 175 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: knowledge to Zavid Collins well. And whether it's Zaven Collins 176 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: or the round two pick Rondale Moore. Every chance is 177 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: going to be had for these guys to get into 178 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: that rotation early. And that's not us, that's the head coach, 179 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. We knew we had to get better than 180 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: us for please with how that thing ended last year, 181 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: and we wanted to improve through the draft. And Steve 182 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: made that crystal clear to the coaching staff and personnelity 183 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: depart in those first two picks. Need to play player 184 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: earl and play a lot and that was the mission. 185 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: And I feel good about where it's at. And let's 186 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: face a wolf, Rondale Moore would not be an Arizona 187 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Cardinal if Andy Isabella had panned out in round two 188 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: two years earlier. Cliff Kingsbury is still searching, seemingly for 189 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: that blazer, that guy who can really run and make 190 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: people miss in space underneath and and from all accounts, 191 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Rondale Moore is that guy. He was that guy in 192 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, a first team All America. This kid is 193 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: absolutely he is electric. He's small, polly something you know 194 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,479 Speaker 1: all about being dominionative of yourself, but he's electric, just combustible. 195 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: And of all the picks the Cardinals made over the weekend. 196 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: This is the one that I'm most into over the draft, Paul, 197 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: this is the one that I'm most interested in seeing 198 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: what he's gonna do because he is a game changer. 199 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: He's a guy that can run by people. We've seen 200 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: this before, but you tell me that he can run 201 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: by lineup in the slot and run a poet stover 202 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: the top and you can throw it down the field 203 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: and beat somebody and show that once every four games 204 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: on tape. I'm telling you right now, ball home. He's 205 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: a whole puncher in coverage, and the guys that will 206 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: fill those holes will be DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Greene 207 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk. You see the tweet from Dez Bryant, 208 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: former Cowboys Pro Bowl receiver. It was five hours before 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: round two. He tweeted out Rondale Moore instant impact. Wherever 210 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: he goes, remember this tweet and tweet Dez Bryant. So 211 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: we'll see. Obviously, the Cardinals like what they picked up 212 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: in round two. In other years when they got the 213 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: likes of an Ant, Kuan Bolden, Buddha Baker at Carlos 214 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: Dansby Klis, guys like that. Let's talk about the corners 215 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: on Day three and a safety as well with the 216 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Corners coach Correig Williams. Next, then the Big Red Rage 217 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. With one and thirty 218 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: six pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the 219 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals selected Marco Wilson, cornerback, Florida smart player too, 220 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: and that's what they valued. Rundale Moore graduated for doing 221 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: two and a half years and Zavan Collins was a 222 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: high school valedictorian. Marco Wilson aptitude tests off the chart, 223 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: smart player with there of course athletic of Villaina. Yeah, 224 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: he should be known for more than throwing the shoe 225 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: against La Shoe. He's a good player, trained by his 226 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: father who was a college defensive back. His brother Quincy 227 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Wilson also in the NFL. Good bloodlines, good intellects. Charles Davis, 228 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: Sarah preceded by Peter Schreger, NFL Network Kara Chris, Doctor 229 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: Kara Chris with the pick all part of that Day 230 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: three parade of players coming to the Arizona Cardinals and 231 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: Wolf This is just me. But if I'm a rookie 232 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: corner looking to make a team and make a name 233 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: for myself. Is there any better opportunity here in twenty 234 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: twenty one than the Arizona Cardinals and what you're looking 235 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: at on defense right now? No, you got that right, 236 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: POUI with Vans Joseph in his scheme, they play an 237 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: awful lot of man cover man, walk up over a 238 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: wide receiver and put your hands on them. And the 239 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: guy who directly coaches them up is joining us now 240 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: on the big Red range presented by Santan Ford in 241 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Gilbert third season coaching corners for the Cardinals is twelfth 242 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: year coach in the NFL. The Corners coach Greg Williams 243 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: on board, coach, how are we doing tonight? I'm doing 244 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: good man. I appreciate you guys having me onf No, 245 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: thank you, coach, We really appreciate it, heared. Just tell 246 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: us what does it take? What does it take from 247 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: a coach's perspective to be a good press man corner? 248 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: What it takes as a guy with supreme confidence really, 249 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: because as you know, man, you're out there on an island, 250 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: and you know it's it's so much exposure that you 251 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: have to be able to put place behind you, bad 252 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: place behind you and also put the good places behind you. 253 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: So you need a guy that has supreme confidence and 254 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: the supreme belief in itself to go out there. And 255 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: then obviously the talent. I mean, you got to be 256 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: talented to play in this league anyway, So you got 257 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: to have that. That's approved requisite. You know what, It's 258 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: really interesting you bring that up right off the top, 259 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: because a couple of weeks ago here in the Big 260 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: Red Rage, we had the pleasure of talking with Frank Sanders, 261 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: a long time receiver for the years, on a Cardinal's 262 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: former round two pick, and then one of the things 263 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: he said about bringing in rookie corners we anticipated this 264 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: was that receivers in the NFL, we'll welcome young corners 265 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: to the league by trying to steal their confidence, in 266 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: the words of Frank Sanders, And well, we remember that, 267 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: and then listen to Tay Gowan when he's talking to 268 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: the media, because if you want belief in yourself, listen 269 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: to him after he was picked in round six. Don't know, 270 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: I've been counting out my whole life. I wanted to 271 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: show on a big platform that I could play, and 272 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: now I'm about to sold Doca Domino on the NFL 273 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: I'd be a Tom Brady o the corners. I think 274 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: I needed this. I needed this in my home, my journey, 275 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: and in the way I'm gonna pros the game. So 276 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for the way. Actually, So, coach, 277 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: is that what you were talking about, that sort of 278 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: confidence say, I'm going to be the Tom Brady of corners. Yeah, 279 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: obviously he's got that confidence. But it's It's the thing 280 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: about him is once you get to know him, it's 281 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: not just what he says. He actually uh, he actually 282 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: lives at you know what I mean. Uh, even even 283 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: talking to him in the last few days, just putting 284 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: installs in and talking to him, he's he backs it 285 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: up by his work ethic. So it's not just talk. 286 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: A lot of guys can talk it, but you really 287 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: have to believe it and you have to walk the walk. 288 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: And so far since I've known this young man, he 289 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: has what it takes to actually walk the walk when 290 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: it when it comes to that top of confidence. Coach, 291 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Marco Wilson and getting him 292 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: in the fourth prom We thought right away VJ and 293 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: myself and Marcus Robertson as we watched him, we knew 294 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: that he had, uh talent, you know he had. He 295 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: has a skill set just like some of the other 296 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: elite corners that went earlier in the draft. And Uh, 297 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of getting consistent. And then we 298 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: think that he has that in him obviously the bloodline 299 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: that he has. Uh. I was with the Coats when 300 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: we drafted his brother, who I am still so I'm 301 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: still friends with to this day. And UH and respect 302 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: because he was very knowledgeable about the game. So we 303 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: know his background and the kind of work ethlete that 304 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna bring. So we think with Marco and and 305 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: and say we think their best ball is ahead of him. 306 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Marco Wilson and you walked into 307 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Florida and you started as a true freshman at eighteen 308 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: years of age. Look at all the sec receivers who 309 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: just went in this draft, right, So if there's a 310 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: guy who could really threaten to get some early playing time, 311 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: I would think it would be a guy like Marco Wilson. Yeah, 312 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: Marco's gonna come in and he's I don't I don't 313 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: believe he's gonna be too big for him at all. 314 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: He's obviously proven that this guy's he's and if you know, 315 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: he played a lot of a lot of good football 316 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: in high school as well, so he's he's been around it, 317 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: he's played it. And then, like he said, he's started 318 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: and he played a ton of games in the SEC. 319 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: So he'll be facing receivers that he saw and that 320 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: he saw on Saturdays. He'll be seeing some of these 321 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: same guys on Sunday. So it's not gonna be too 322 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: big for him. He's gonna He's got a nice, quiet 323 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: confidence about himself. And that's kind of what we looked 324 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: at when Steve was asking about these guys and the 325 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: kind of guys he wanted to be Cardinals. Uh, those 326 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: are the type of type of characteristics that he was 327 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: looking for. And I think both of those guys really, uh, 328 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: they really have that kind of characteristics about them. And Coach, 329 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation in regard to Marco 330 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: Wilson about him throwing a shoe against LSA. What are 331 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: your thoughts on that overall? Coach, Um, I knew about 332 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: the shoe just because you know, I watched the news, 333 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: I watched Sports Center, but when we watched the coaches copy, 334 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: when I when I was evaluating his game film. U 335 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: watched the tape. He does a lot of good things 336 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: on tape. So as you watch the game and you're 337 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: watching all the plays he's making on tape, and then 338 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the tape on the coaches copy it cuts off before 339 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: he throws the shoe. So you just watched the coaches copy, 340 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: you get all the good plays without the throwing of 341 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: the shoe. So I knew about what happened, but but 342 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: it was I was, I was already I was already 343 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: convinced by the skill set that I saw throughout the game. 344 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: So you're not worried about good game. Yeah, you're not 345 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: worried about him having an emotional issue where he you know, 346 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: to me, emotion on the football field. I don't think 347 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: that's necessarily a bad thing unless it makes you do 348 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: something dumb. I mean, Wolf, you're the guy. You're the 349 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: guy through the dog biscuits and the dog bones back 350 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: at the dog pound in Cleveland when you're on the understand, Paul, 351 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: That's exactly my point. It takes one to no one 352 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: that's right. Well, I mean coach seriously, though, I mean, 353 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: it really sounds like he's learned a lesson to hear 354 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: him talk about it and talk about how you have 355 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: to be in control of your emotions at all times, 356 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: and how silly mistakes can affect not just you but 357 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: other people. I mean, if you're gonna learn that less 358 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: in college is the time to do it, I would presume, yeah, absolutely, 359 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: And and and talking to him, talking to him. I 360 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: know Steve had a chance to speak with him over zoom. 361 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: So did Advanced Joseph. So did I. We did that 362 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: on a couple of separate occasions. H get to know him, 363 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: and you know that it wasn't a malicious act. It 364 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: wasn't to hurt his teammates. He's not an out of 365 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: control guy. And we did our due diligence and talking 366 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: to down there in Gainsville, and you can't find one person, 367 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 1: one person you know that's within that building that had 368 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: something negative to say about his personality. So that convinced 369 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: us right there, boy, coach, I would love to hear 370 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: you talk about your corner back room, if you would, 371 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: when you talk about Malcolm Butler and Robert Alfred. A guy, 372 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: that man, Robert Alfred, if they can just keep him healthy, 373 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see him go out and ball 374 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: out here talk about your cornerback room and the veterans 375 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: in it. I really like how how we put it together. 376 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: Just from a standpoint, Murphy's coming into his own right now. 377 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: You know, we expect big things from him this year. 378 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: But you guys saw Robert Alfred from a training camp 379 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: standpoint over the last two years. Unfortunately the fan base 380 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: hasn't had a chance to see it in games. But 381 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: we expecting big things from him, he told the last 382 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: two years, just from his performance and what he brings 383 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: from a tenacity level, um, you know, to to our 384 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: team into our secondary. I mean, this guy is energy 385 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: and a bottle, you know what I mean. If you 386 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: if you're ever around him, he is always on coach 387 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely absolutely, he's he's He's a dog in the 388 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: epitomy of the word. That's that's, that's what he is. 389 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Because he still plays with that lte. He plays with 390 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder. I'm a small school guy. 391 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: Regardless of where he was drafted. He still plays with 392 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of that small school chip on his shoulder, and 393 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: that's what made him as successful as he's been. Can 394 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: you remember this guy's playing in the Super Bowl and 395 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: played pretty well, and it's one of the big questions 396 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: for you on Malcolm Butler is to try and figure out, Okay, 397 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: at age thirty one, can he really check in shadow 398 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: and travel a guy, a premier number one receiver and 399 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: handle that all by himself. Is that something he's known 400 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: for doing, or you're gonna have to change the scheme accordingly. 401 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: I think he's being in the two places that he's 402 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: been in New England and Tennessee, He's had a chance 403 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: to be in multiple schemes. Uh, So I think he 404 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: can adapt to whatever we want him to do and 405 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: whatever will help the team win. Obviously, you guys have 406 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: seen vans as defenses. They're they're multiple and he'll do 407 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: uh well, we'll do what it takes, uh, game permitting, 408 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, game plan permitting, and so if he has 409 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: to do what he can. But he's he's a guy 410 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: another guy that uh you know, for the for the 411 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: time that I've known him, he's willing to do anything 412 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: that you ask him to do, whether it's to stay 413 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: right they left or travel. Uh, he's done it all 414 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: and he's he's more than willing to do that in 415 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: this game as well. Well. Coach, Thank you for the 416 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: time I tell you when you hear Marco Wilson and 417 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: take Allen talk about how they love to watch film 418 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: with Durell Reevas and take Allan likes to talk to 419 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: himself at being on Gowan Island. You know it's intriguing 420 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: if nothing else, no doubt about that. So we thank 421 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: you for the time and the insight. No, I appreciate you, man, 422 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul, thank you Gran. I appreciate you guys 423 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: having me on right on coach. Look forward to talking 424 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: to you down the road. Okay, absolutely, you gotta take care, okay, man, 425 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: Well if how many dog biscuits did you throw at 426 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: the dog pel in the day, it was just one 427 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: dollar took right there, That's all it took. In a 428 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: time out, Paul, I picked it up. I threw it 429 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: into the crowd as a rookie, and we got bombarded. 430 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Paul, hundreds of dog biscuits crashing down into 431 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: our huddle. Still, guy, you picking it out of their 432 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: ear after in the shower, it was proven you got 433 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: treated like Josel two. We just got treated by Yankees fans, 434 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: big red rage. Back right after this. We're the sixteenth pick. 435 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals select Zavin Shicker Better twenty three David Collins. 436 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: That dude's an animal, six three, two sixty linebacker, one 437 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: of the best linebackers and all the cops football. What 438 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: I liked about him was having size, football acumen, instincts, coverability. 439 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: This guy's got rare and unusual dreaming skills for a 440 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: guy who's only six foot five, two hundred and sixty five. 441 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: I only dream to Arizona and being in that organization, 442 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: with that community, with everything there to something that I've 443 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: dreamed of, and we could college Savan Collins Cardinal's first 444 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: round picks, Zavan Collins meaning the media, Zavan Collins is 445 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: draft night phone call going viral and just the reaction 446 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: and you see how much football means to the young 447 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: man and his family, especially mom who raised him. And 448 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: so now you have Zaven Collins coming in and given 449 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: every chance from what we can tell, to compete from 450 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: day one to be the number one middle linebacker. Not 451 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: saying it's going to be easy, but there will be opportunities. 452 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. It's a big red rage 453 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, 454 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley special thanks again at cornerbacks coach 455 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: Greg Williams for joining us. But as far as Zaban 456 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: Collins goes, especially when you think of Round one this 457 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: year and then Round one last year, Ron Wolfley, parry 458 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: them up with Isaiah Simmons. What did we talk about 459 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of months, right, If you could get 460 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: that combination right in the middle back when the Cardinals 461 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: had Carlos Dansby and Daryl Washington, most recently Tampa with 462 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: Devin White and Lavante David Man. If you can get 463 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: that dynamic duo in the middle of your defense, that's 464 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: a lot for an offense to think about. Yeah, no 465 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: doubt about it. BALLI, you know, I think back to 466 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: Navarrel Bowman and Patrick Willis. I really knew those two 467 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: guys are Luke Keekley and Thomas Davis PAULI. When you 468 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: have two inside linebackers that are three down linebackers that 469 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: do not come off the field, it is a massive 470 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: advantage to a defensive coordinator and to a defense overall. 471 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: It is paul to have two guys that will not 472 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: come off the field, and the reason why is because 473 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: it speaks to their athleticism. It's speaks to the fact 474 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: that not only will they stick their face into the fan, 475 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: not only are they physical in rundown situations, but they 476 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: stay on the field when you try to throw the 477 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: ball in third and obbious pass situations. It is a 478 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: huge advantage, especially in today's NFL, where's so much of 479 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: the time you're gonna get eleven personnel, one back, one 480 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: tight end, three wide receivers. Now all of a sudden, 481 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: you know what, You've got six blockers when you count 482 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: the five down, the five offensive linemen of course, and 483 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: then the tight end, Polly, that's six to block six 484 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: because you're gonna go nickel for the most part in 485 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: the National Football League, which means you're gonna have four down, 486 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: two inside linebackers in five dbs, including three corners. That's 487 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: exactly what the Arizona Cardinals are going to do. And 488 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: if you tell me Zaven Collins can master that, and 489 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: that's a tall order, Polly, But if you can tell 490 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: me he can master third and obbious pass situations and 491 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: all the calls, all the checks that come with that. 492 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: With Isaiah Simmons on the field, man, it is a 493 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 1: huge advantage for Vance Joseph and the Cardinals. I mean, 494 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: think about when the sneaky Kyle Shanahan starts going up 495 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: tempo right or Sean McVay, and what are they trying 496 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: to do. They're trying to limit your substitutions. Yes, they're 497 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: trying to get that personnel mismatch. And so all of 498 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, to your point, exactly right, if you have 499 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: those guys who have that athleticism to be able to 500 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: be on the field and be true three down linebackers, yeah, 501 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: advantage your defense. And it was interesting on Cardinals Draft 502 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: Central on Draft Night last Thursday night, team owner Michael 503 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: Bidwell told us that there they were in the draft 504 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: room and they were starting to sweat a little bit 505 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: because New England was coming up and they had a 506 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: bad feeling that Zavian Collins might be in the crosshairs 507 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: a Bill Belichick and the Patriots war room well to 508 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: the Cardinals benefit, and we talked about this with five 509 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacks going in the first fifteen picks, sure enough there 510 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: was Mac Jones, and sure enough, a little bit later, 511 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots shared with the Cardinals if the quarterback wasn't there, 512 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: zaven Collins would be going to New England instead. He's 513 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: coming to the Cardinals. And here Steve kind the GM 514 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: talking about where Zaven Collins is rated on the Cardinals 515 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: big board. We really liked him. Our coaching staff, our 516 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: scouting staff, everybody as a whole had him as one 517 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: of our higher rated defensive players in the entire draft. 518 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: He also had an Alpha tag, which for us, the 519 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: Alpha Berg tag is given to players that have rare 520 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: leadership qualities, great instincts, great field for the game, our 521 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: tremendous locker room guys, and Zaven Collins is certainly one 522 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: of them. Steven went on to say that maybe five 523 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: or six players in an entire draft class will get 524 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: that Alpha tag, and Zaven Collins was one of those guys. 525 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: And Wolf I defy anyone who watched the Arizona Cardinals 526 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: last year and saw Week sixteen when they had a 527 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: lack of energy and intensity inexplicable with the playoffs in 528 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: line Week seventeen, go back to Week four at Carolina. 529 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: I get into this with Kyle all the time, leadership 530 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: versus analytics, and I'm just saying, to deny that leadership 531 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: doesn't exist is to call the decision makers wrong. Yes, 532 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, So no, no, absolutely, Paul. You're right at 533 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: it right there. And you know I love Kyle. I 534 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: love him, but I argue with him as well. I'm 535 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: betty bety things. But that's okay. He's got his perspective 536 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: and I've got mine. I can just say right now 537 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: what I love about this. Once again, Isaiah Simmons Isaiah 538 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: Simmons six four paul, two hundred and thirty five pounds. 539 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: And now you've got Zaven Collins at six five, two 540 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty And by the way, did you see 541 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: the length he's got on him. I mean he is 542 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: unbelievably long. His arms are long. You were talking about 543 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: in a reach of eighty three inches, Paul, which is incredible. 544 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: You put Isaiah Simmons in his length on that week 545 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: side inside backer with Zaven Collins in his length, Man, Paul, 546 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's gonna be difficult to make some 547 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: of those throws, those quick throw across the middle. Hopefully 548 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: this is going to be something that again Zavian Collins 549 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: is going to pick this defense up early. I'm skeptical 550 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: of it, Paulie. And you know why I'm skeptical. Mike 551 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: Backer is one of the most difficult positions to come 552 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: from college into the National Football League and know what 553 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: you're doing, not not just getting everyone else lined up, 554 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: knowing what your responsibilities are and what you're supposed to do, 555 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: all the checks, all the adjustments. It is a huge 556 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: task for a rookie to come in and do. But 557 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: you know what, the Cardinals think, he's got a chance 558 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: of doing just that. And you know what to Jordan 559 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Hicks credit, Not only did he does he know his position, 560 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: but he knows everyone else's position. So to your point, 561 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is a guy. If you talk to the 562 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: other guys in that defense, he's setting everybody up and 563 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: aligning everybody. So yes, it does go beyond your position. 564 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: But but well, the fact that he's a natural inside linebacker, 565 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: unlike a Hassan Reddick. Hassan Reddick can run somewhere in 566 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: the four fours or a but he never played like 567 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: it because there was that hesitation. It was always a 568 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: half step or a step slow to react, and at 569 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: that point it doesn't matter, it's too late. Yes, Paully 570 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: was his eyes. Hassan Raddick. You know how much I 571 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: love and respect this kid. He worked so dug on 572 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: hard but it was his eyes that betrayed him all 573 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: the time coming off the edge. That's where he needs 574 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: to be, and I'm glad that that's where he's going 575 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: to play. But you know what's the Zaven Collins comparison 576 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: does not hold up at all, and it's because that's 577 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: where Zaven Collins played off the ball. He's an inside 578 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: linebacker that you could take and stick him on the 579 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: edge and bring him off the edge at some point 580 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: in time. I think we'll see that at some point 581 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: inside Paully, I think we'll see the Anthony bar An 582 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Anthony bar In a week side inside is not a 583 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: mic backer. But still every now and then, if you 584 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: want to get Zaven Collins some reps, especially early on, 585 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: you could totally have him line up opposite of a 586 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. Well, we saw it on occasion last year 587 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: with Isaiah Simmons. You did. You saw him ug in 588 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: the A gap and going, you saw him coming off 589 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: the edge, you saw him in the slot at times. 590 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: So there was a lot of talk about keeping Isaiah 591 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: Simmons in one spot a year ago that did not materialize. 592 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: They did use him in a variety of roles. Think 593 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: about yeah, you get a ton of rops for the 594 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: most part. True, he didn't get a ton of rops 595 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: with Palli. I just want to say this quickly. I 596 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: love the fact that got a bunch of dogs in 597 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: that locker room, especially on the defensive side of the ball. 598 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: That's gonna help Zaven Collins the expectation as to how 599 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: you go about your business and how you're gonna play 600 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: this game. He's got dogs all around him. That's gonna 601 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: help him. Best case scenario, Russell Wilson comes the line 602 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He's got fifty five Chandler Jones. He's got 603 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: JJ Watt to think about. Oh there's Isaiah Simmons. Wait 604 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: a minute, Bodda Baker is showing blitz. I got this 605 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: six five, two sixty linebacker Zaven Collins snorting in the 606 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: A gap. There's a lot to think about if you're 607 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback before you snap the ball. We continue with 608 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage right after this with the forty 609 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: nine and twenty one NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinal select 610 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: Rundale More receiver Perdue just talked about trying to get 611 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: faster over the top. I said that because there's a 612 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: lot of buzz about them maybe trading up for Jaylen Waddle. 613 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: But Rondale Moore can't lie a little four and three. 614 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: You can use him on some of these gadget plays. 615 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: You get him on the fly suite, jet suits, the 616 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: run after catch. Not only is he fast, he is 617 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: sturdy and strong, and once he breaks tackles and gets 618 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: out in the open field, he's gone on the wheel route, 619 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: double moves. He's gotten not only a second year, but 620 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: a third year down the field. Dinner and Daniel Jeremiah 621 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: there part of the NFL Network draft coverage talking about 622 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: Rondale Moore the wide receiver out of Perdue, and you 623 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: can hear it. But when you see him in the 624 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: squat rack Ron Wolfley as a guy who measures five 625 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: to seven, a buck eighty one and he's squatting six 626 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: hundred pounds as a freshman at Perdue. Your reaction to 627 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: that here on the big Red Ray presented by santan 628 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: Ford and Hiller, I've never seen anything like it. I 629 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: could you not five to seven to have that kind 630 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: of strength in your legs, to be put together like that, 631 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: It's truly incredible to behold. This is a guy that 632 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: I think hopefully is going to have the kind of 633 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: impact that Cliff Kingsbury and the Arizona Cardinal's hope that 634 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: he's going to have on this offense. Get over the top, Paul. 635 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: If he can run by somebody, get over the top, 636 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: it is going to open up so much for DeAndre Hopkins, 637 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: so much for aj Green At Christian Kirk So we 638 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: can tell you that he squat a six hundred pounds 639 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: as a freshman, and he ran an unofficial four two 640 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: nine at his pro day, the vertical of forty two 641 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: and a half. But maybe the best thing I heard 642 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: about Rondelmore was in the conversation in the Cardinals draft 643 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: room before the selection in round two. This is Cardinals 644 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: All Access and you get a lot of this coming 645 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: up on the next edition of Cardinal's Flight Plan. But 646 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: here Steve Kim and Cliff Kingsbury talking about Rondel Moore. 647 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: Rondelmore good wide out kick returner, vertical jumped like forty 648 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: two and a half inches. He's a dog. But yeah, 649 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna come in and think he's the man, be 650 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: a pro and the balls in his hands. He is special, 651 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: special median impact returnability. He'll be ready to all and well, 652 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: if I know, we used that word a lot, the 653 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: whole dog thing, but yeah, to be that size, you 654 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: better be a dog to excel. I had a conversation. 655 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: I talked about this in Cardinals Underground, the podcast Just 656 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: a Quick Recap was a few years ago, and there 657 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: was sort of an unknown trying to make the Cardinals 658 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: as an undrafted slot receiver and he was looking good 659 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: early and one of the veterans told me, no, no, 660 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: he doesn't have that dog in him. Julian Edelman will 661 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: tear your face off. Wes Welker will attack you until 662 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing left. And so if you're telling me rondel 663 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: Moore has that mentality, now I'm that much more of 664 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: a believer. Yeah. No, that's a great observation, Ballie. Here's 665 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: what really gets me about rondel Moore. He was the 666 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: first true freshman consensus All a American in Big Ten history. Paul. 667 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: I think about that for a minute now. Charles Woodson's 668 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: the first first true freshman Paul to have a consensus 669 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: All American in the Big Ten tag put on him 670 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: right there. This says three things to me about this kid. 671 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: He's got uncommon athletic ability. He's he's highly motivated, and 672 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: he's not afraid. Paul, that is so important right there. 673 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: He could care less about your reputation or the logo 674 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: on your helmet. He's gonna line up and compete with 675 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: everything he's got and the only thing your reputation or 676 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: logo might produce. And Rondale Moore is even more resolved. 677 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: I you know again, I can't wait to see this 678 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 1: kid play. But Paul, you know how I feel about 679 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: rookies overall. You gotta prove it to me. You've gotta 680 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: prove it to me. I've seen it over and over 681 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: and over again. And Rondale Moore has got to prove it. 682 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: And that's the best thing that the Arizona Cardinals have 683 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: going form is this kid wants to prove it well. 684 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: The GM Steve Kin was asked to break down, give 685 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: us scatter report, if you will, on Rondel Mora to Purdue. 686 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: When you see his body type, you see a guy 687 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: who's all the shorter end, but really thick and muscled up, 688 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: really explosive, jumped forty two and a half inches, ran 689 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: four two nine six sixty three cone. Again, those numbers 690 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: are off the charts very similar measurable wise, height, weight 691 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: and speed. And you look at those numbers. Guy like 692 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, a sort of in that form is explosive 693 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: enough to play outside, play, inside, reverses, screens, all the 694 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: different things. You want to get the ball in his 695 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: hands and let him create on the perimeter. Two years ago, 696 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: it was when the Cardinals went to Kansas City, the 697 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: way the Cardinals defense reacted when Tyreek Hill went in motion. Okay, 698 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: So you can be such a distraction to a defense 699 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: even when the ball's nod in your hands, and there's 700 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: that a you know, illusion of complexity if you have 701 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: that sort of guy. So I think that sort of 702 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: player is very important to a Cliff Kingsbury. But Wolf 703 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: hits zoom out in the y receiver room for a minute. Okay, 704 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: what do you think about that room right now? And 705 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: how Cliff Kingsbury is looking at it? And he got 706 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: some questions about using ten personnel more than ever perhaps, yeah, 707 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: exactly right now. I don't know if that's going to 708 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: be the case, Polly, I really don't. We'll have a 709 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: front row seed to it, but I think it's it's 710 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: hard to become more physical. I keep thinking of Steve 711 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: Kim and what Steve Kim said, we have two goals 712 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: this offseason. It's to get more physical and bring leadership 713 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: into the locker room. Remember when he said that, Polly, 714 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: there's two goals right there. It's hard to get more 715 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: physical in ten personnel. It just is. Now. Listen, you've 716 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: got to have wide receivers in that room. There's no 717 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: doubt a bond. I think the Arizona Cardinals. When you 718 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: talk about d hop you're talking about the best wide 719 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: receiver in the league, if not one of the top 720 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: three wide receivers in the league. He's in that conversation. 721 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. When you talk about DeAndre 722 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: Hopkins and then you've got a J. Green that you're 723 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: bringing in on a one year contract, I think he's 724 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: highly motivated. Would you say that AJ Green has done 725 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: some things in the National Football League? Of course? And 726 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: now you've got Christian Kirk is your number three receiver 727 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: and you're gonna bring Rondell More in. Is this guy 728 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: that is going to be explosive? Hey, listen, it's gonna 729 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: be a very very competitive room. But never forget to me. 730 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: This team, this offense, in particular, when you talk about 731 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: their improvement, you've got to start with being more physical, 732 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: and that typically means running the ball, and that's where 733 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: big shots down the field happen. I mean, think of 734 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: ba think of Bruce Harrians. This is his offense. His 735 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: entire philosophy is running the ball, banging it and then 736 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: using play action to throw it down the field. And 737 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: I think that's where Rondel Moore becomes even more dangerous, 738 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: not only a lateral threat, but vertically over the top. 739 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: You get play action going and you start hurting some 740 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: teams running the ball in between the tackles. Man, I'll 741 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: tell you what, throwing the ball over the top becomes 742 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: a lot easier. Look, we know this and you cited it. 743 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: Two of the big things in the offseason leadership get 744 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: more physical. But Wolf, especially towards the end of last season. 745 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: We do the Coaches Show every week and Cliff Kingsbury 746 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: would cite the need to improve the intermediate passing game. 747 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: That underneath passing game. How often do they see the 748 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: two high safeties. Well, you tell me, you're the guy 749 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: you know watches the film and the x's and oh's. 750 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: But if you can start hitting a Rondale more underneath, 751 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: or a big body guy like an AJ Green. To me, 752 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: that's a remedy, that's an adjustment to the adjustment that 753 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: defense is seemingly made to the Cardinals offense last year. Yeah, 754 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it, Polly. But it is going 755 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: to be really interesting to see how they use Rondale 756 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: More in particular, and I cannot wait to see it. 757 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: Do you know, Henry Ruggs the third last year was 758 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: the first wide receiver taken off the board. Why do 759 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: you think that was, Polly? Speed? Speed, baby, the raider, 760 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: speed over the top. It kills even when he doesn't 761 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: have the ball, he's punching holes in a secondary holes 762 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: that are filled by talented receivers. And that's the Rondelle 763 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 1: more impact to me, Even when he doesn't have the ball, 764 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna impact secondaries and coverages that look. Once upon 765 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 1: a time, the Arizona Cardinals drafted an Kuon Boldman round two. Okay, 766 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: but there have been other guys recently with measurables of 767 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,479 Speaker 1: the receiver position who didn't pan out, like a Chad 768 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: Williams or a Keem Butler. We'll see about Annie Isabella. 769 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: So it all comes down to can you play a reminder? 770 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: Season four, Episode one of Cardinal's Flight Plan is available now, 771 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals YouTube channel back with more on The 772 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, presented by santan Ford in Gilbert, Hello, Steve, 773 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: how's it going, Steve? We're gonna kill everyone. We're gonna 774 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: kill everyone. We're gonna get a super bull ring so 775 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: big on our finger, Joe Dog wouldn't be able to 776 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: jump over. I love it, man, I love it. We'll good. 777 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: We'll keep that attitude. Zaven, Michael did well. Congratulations, were 778 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: so excited to make you a Cardinal. Enjoy the moment 779 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: with your finger money, Okay, enjoy it. All right, we're 780 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: gonna put your name in now, you're welcome. Enjoy it. 781 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: That was emotional. Holy cow. All access coverage from the 782 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals draft room last Thursday night, the first round selection 783 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: of Zaven Collins out of Tulsa, from a very small 784 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: town in Oklahoma. You've got the full the full rundown 785 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: of that on episode two of Cardinals Flight Plan a 786 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: little bit later this month, The Wolf I might regret 787 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: this year as we wrap up this edition at the 788 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert, where 789 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: were you on draft night? And what was your phone 790 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: call all about? Yeah, that's good, bully right there. First 791 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: of all, a couple of things I got to get 792 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: out here as safety tips on. My agent told me 793 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 1: that I'd go somewhere from the fourth round as high 794 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: as the fourth round to the sixth round going into 795 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: this draft. And before the draft, I got a call 796 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: from Bill Parcels. This is before the draft, Paul. I 797 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: got a call from Bill Parcels that said, hey, listen, run, 798 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: if you don't get drafted, we'd like to go ahead 799 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: and sign you as an undrafted free agent. Can you 800 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: imagine why? I mean, would you say Bill Parcells had 801 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: a little bit of cred in nineteen eighty five. That's 802 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: a tad deflating. Yes. I was like, okay, Bill, And 803 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, my agents tell me four to 804 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: six somewhere in there, and you're calling me before the 805 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: draft saying, hey, listen, you know, if you don't get drafted, 806 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: we'd love to sign you. Man. That blew my mind 807 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: right there. And you got to remember as well, ESPN 808 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: only carried the draft into the third round, So sure enough, 809 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: the ESPN gets out of it and the third round 810 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there. I get a phone call and 811 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: somebody says, oh, it's Larry Wilson, and I said, give 812 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: me the phone and I picked. I said, who is 813 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: this Ron, This is Larry Wilson with the Saint Louis Cardinals. 814 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: We're getting ready to draft you. This is not Larry Wilson, 815 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,240 Speaker 1: just being quiet thought it was one of my buddies 816 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: actually ripping on me. Right. He goes, no, No, this 817 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: is Larry and we're getting ready to actually draft you. 818 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: Here I had one hundred and four overall, and I 819 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: was so embarrassed, Paul. But you know what I was 820 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: moving that day as well, I believe it or not. 821 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 1: Great planning. Does that surprise you, Paul, that I had 822 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: different things planned on the day I was going to 823 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: be drafted. It was just incredible. The entire experience. I'll 824 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: never forget it, and especially it's special to me because 825 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: of Wilson making that call, no doubt, no doubt, the 826 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer rest in piece Larry Wilson or Jim 827 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: on the Hunter relays how Roy Green, which is what 828 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: five six years earlier before you came into the league, 829 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: said he didn't even have a phone in his storm 830 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: does that Henderson State in Arkansas. So he gave the 831 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals and all the other teams a pay phone number 832 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: located on the basketball players floor and told the guys 833 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: on the basketball team, Hey, if that phone rings, and 834 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: asked for me, come find me. Hey, PAULI when my 835 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: brother got drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the fifth round, Mike, 836 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: my sister was giving us all the thumbs down on 837 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: the phone and hung it up and said, it's some 838 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: guy named Chuck Noll. She was disappointed it wasn't the bills. 839 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: Do you believe that? Oh no, that's an all timer. Yeah, 840 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: well if you waited to the very end of the show, 841 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: but that one definitely takes the gig. By the way, 842 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 1: If you're looking for a job, State Farm Stadium hosting 843 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 1: a job fair this Saturday eight from ten to two. 844 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: Over six hundred part time visions positions available. Go to 845 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: Acy Cardinals dot com slash job fair for Jim Almandro 846 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: special thanks Jeff Darge as well Round Wolfley Paul Calvc. 847 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: This has been the Big Red Rage presented by santan 848 00:44:53,280 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: Ford and Gilbert and Cowboy Number one. 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