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<v Speaker 1>Previously on La monstre.

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<v Speaker 3>So at around eight pm, I dropped her off in

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<v Speaker 3>front of her apartment. She didn't seem scared. She got

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<v Speaker 3>out of the car and opened her front door, and

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<v Speaker 3>then she she waved at me and then went inside.

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<v Speaker 1>What Georgette didn't know then was that this would be

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<v Speaker 1>the last time she would ever see her sister.

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<v Speaker 4>Jacqueline Lazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Now the disappearance of a woman from Mont Jacqueline le Clerk,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty three years old, Chateau.

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<v Speaker 6>This young woman has short, light brown hair and blue eyes,

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<v Speaker 6>five feet three inches tall with a normal build.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, we're arriving where the attempts to use her bank

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<v Speaker 7>card happened at around one in the morning on the

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<v Speaker 7>twenty third of December. It's in a dark area, out

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<v Speaker 7>of view. There was a surveillance camera on the ATM machine,

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<v Speaker 7>but it was out of order at the time, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 7>as it could have helped answer a number of questions.

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<v Speaker 8>As a young reporter, I covered everything, but since I

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<v Speaker 8>was from most as you know, I started following this

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<v Speaker 8>story closely. At the time, violence against women did not

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<v Speaker 8>attract the attention it does today, especially marginalized woman like

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<v Speaker 8>Jacqueline Leclaire and Natalie Goudaar.

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<v Speaker 1>Both women frequented several of the same cafes and bars

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<v Speaker 1>near the train station, and specifically a small hotel and

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<v Speaker 1>bar establishment called the Metropol.

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<v Speaker 3>She had mentioned this meant to me. She found him

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<v Speaker 3>rather nice, cultured and intelligent, a pleasure to speak with.

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<v Speaker 3>After meeting him in the park, my sister ran into

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<v Speaker 3>him a few more times. She felt that these encounters

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<v Speaker 3>were orchestrated, maybe even calculated.

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<v Speaker 8>The police never identified what this man was. It's not

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<v Speaker 8>going to be easy, but we have to identify this man.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a dull gray morning. On March twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven, in the municipality of Kuem near Moss,

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Olivier Mutt of the Royal Mounted Police prepared his

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<v Speaker 1>horse and the stables for a routine mounted patrol. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a regular uniformed officer but greatly enjoyed the perk

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<v Speaker 1>of being part of the Royal Mounted Brigade and doing

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<v Speaker 1>patrols on horseback.

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<v Speaker 9>It was late morning. I was on my horse, calmly

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<v Speaker 9>heading toward months. As I approached the railway bridge, my

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<v Speaker 9>attention was attracted towards something in the ditch. I noticed

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<v Speaker 9>what seemed like a cat about fifteen meters below, playing

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<v Speaker 9>with something. A pedestrian wouldn't have been able to see it.

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<v Speaker 9>The cat had something white in its mouth. At first

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<v Speaker 9>I thought it was a toy, but something seemed off,

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<v Speaker 9>so I turned back.

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<v Speaker 1>The cat that Officer Mutt saw was down on a

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<v Speaker 1>ditch along the side of the road. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>place where unscrupulous people tended to dump their trash if

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<v Speaker 1>they missed a regular garbage pick up. A normal passerby

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have been able to see down into the ditch,

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<v Speaker 1>but his mounted viewpoint gave him a clear view of

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<v Speaker 1>the shameful dumping ground. At first, he thought the cat

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<v Speaker 1>was chewing on a discarded glove, but something seemed off,

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<v Speaker 1>so he dismounted his horse and descended into the ditch

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<v Speaker 1>to inspect. To his horror, Officer Mutt realized it was

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<v Speaker 1>a human hand. It appeared to have been sawed off

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<v Speaker 1>the arm of a body relatively recently. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>public beginning of a dark mystery that's still never been solved. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight years.

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<v Speaker 4>Later, A can'tbly mysteriously couvert de mon.

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<v Speaker 5>The history they disappearance of a woman from Mont Jacqueline.

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<v Speaker 4>The condition of the victims was sickening.

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<v Speaker 8>And the question remains, where is the killer?

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<v Speaker 1>From Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, I'm your host Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Graves and this is La manstre season two, The Butcher

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<v Speaker 1>of Moss. So I am now standing on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of the road where Officer Mutt would have made his

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<v Speaker 1>gruesome discovery. It's basically a kind of a semi busy road,

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<v Speaker 1>I would call it. That's the first time I this

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<v Speaker 1>exact spot is ground zero for The Butcher of Moss case.

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<v Speaker 1>I came here alone to visualize how the mounted police

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<v Speaker 1>officer would have stumbled onto the initial discovery. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>down into a ditch, and I can see how if

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have been on his horse, he wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>seen anything because the ditch is really deep, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you're just walking and you look down, you can't even

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<v Speaker 1>see the bottom of where the ditch is. This is

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<v Speaker 1>where the discovery was made and where it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>it all really started. The dismembered hand that Officer Mutt

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<v Speaker 1>had discovered was poking out of a gray trash bag.

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<v Speaker 1>There seemed to be more than one trash bag of

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<v Speaker 1>the same kind, and they appeared to contain more body parts.

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<v Speaker 1>He quickly called an in and the crime scene was secured.

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<v Speaker 1>An investigating judge and prosecutor attended the scene in person,

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<v Speaker 1>along with other specialized forces and forensics teams. In total,

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<v Speaker 1>eight different bags containing dismembered body parts were found in

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<v Speaker 1>the ditch that The contents of the bags were carefully

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<v Speaker 1>examined on sight before being transported to a forensic laboratory.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quickly determined that all of the body parts

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<v Speaker 1>were female. Although disturbing, it's important to understand the contents

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<v Speaker 1>of these bags as you'll hear in future episodes, listener

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<v Speaker 1>discretion is advised. Bag one two feet and two legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Bag two, two hands, including the wrists and two thighs.

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<v Speaker 1>Bag three, two arms and one shoulder. Bag four, one shoulder,

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<v Speaker 1>Bag five, one foot and one leg including the knee.

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<v Speaker 1>Bags six and seven were ripped open but had included

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<v Speaker 1>a left arm as well as the left hand that

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Mutt had spotted from the bridge, and Bag eight

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<v Speaker 1>contained various undetermined body parts. Forensics experts quickly determined that

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<v Speaker 1>the body parts belonged to three different females. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take long for the media to catch wind of the

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<v Speaker 1>major crime scene and started reporting on the gruesome discovery.

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<v Speaker 5>By gab Mysterious Nikouvitt, there was a macabre and mysterious

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<v Speaker 5>discovery of body parts, apparently dismembered with a saw. According

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<v Speaker 5>to investigators, partial remains of three women were found in

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<v Speaker 5>trash bags in quem near. Mon's searches have continued without

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<v Speaker 5>break since yesterday to try to find the torsos and heads,

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<v Speaker 5>which are still missing, making the identification of the cadavers difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>The initial breaking news brought up public fear. Unlike anything

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<v Speaker 1>mass had ever experienced, and raised more questions than answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Who were these women? How long ago had they been murdered?

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<v Speaker 1>Was the killer still out there? The public's thirst for

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<v Speaker 1>more and became overwhelming, and the King's prosecutor himself provided

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<v Speaker 1>more details than a press conference.

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<v Speaker 10>I can confirm that there are three series of cadavers

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<v Speaker 10>at three different stages of putrefaction. The first could be

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<v Speaker 10>dated to more than one year, given the state of

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<v Speaker 10>decomposition of the flesh, and the last could be as

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<v Speaker 10>recent as two days ago, which only raises concerns about

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<v Speaker 10>the behavior of the individual responsible for this. We know

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<v Speaker 10>that the cadavers were dismembered with remarkable precision, and many

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<v Speaker 10>more apparently with the use of a saw. I can

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<v Speaker 10>confirm as well that on the left forearm of one

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<v Speaker 10>of the victims there was removal of roughly five centimeters

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<v Speaker 10>of flesh. Was there a tattoo or was there something else?

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<v Speaker 10>We do not know at this stage.

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<v Speaker 1>The surreal press conference shocked the entire nation. The news

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the body parts could have been dismembered

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<v Speaker 1>within the last forty eight hours was horrifying. It reinforced

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<v Speaker 1>public fears that a killer of women was active and

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<v Speaker 1>likely searching for his next victim. On the following day,

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<v Speaker 1>another trash bag with human remains was found at the

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<v Speaker 1>same site. Bag nine also contained various undetermined body parts,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the day after that, another trash bag was

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<v Speaker 1>found in a different location. Bag ten contained an entire

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<v Speaker 1>female torso, and it was dumped on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>a road aptually named the Path of Worry.

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<v Speaker 4>I play teribri dicuvel descend.

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<v Speaker 5>After the terrible discoveries of Saturday, investigators made a new

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<v Speaker 5>discovery yesterday afternoon of the torso of a fourth woman.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten trash bags have been discovered. So far, investigators believe

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<v Speaker 5>it is the work of a serial killer. For the moment,

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<v Speaker 5>none of the four victims have been identified.

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<v Speaker 1>News of this new gruesome discovery confirm the public's worst

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<v Speaker 1>fears a twisted and sadistic serial killer was active in

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<v Speaker 1>lurking among them. Gripped by fear and anxiety, the public

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<v Speaker 1>was once again clamoring for more information, and the King's

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor held another press conference.

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<v Speaker 10>What I can tell you about this torso is that

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<v Speaker 10>the dismemberment is identical to the remains previously found in Queens.

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<v Speaker 10>It is therefore likely the work of the same perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 10>What we can say about this latest macab discovery is

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<v Speaker 10>that it must have been deposited between Saturday and Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>The pace of events was overwhelming, with the latest dumping

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<v Speaker 1>of a dismembered torso having taken place after the first

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<v Speaker 1>discoveries and within the past twenty four hours. Police helicopters

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<v Speaker 1>scoured disguise of moss, and emergency services were deployed to

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<v Speaker 1>any sighting of a suspicious trash bag. The peaceful veneer

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<v Speaker 1>of moss was shattered.

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching TV that day and I knew it

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<v Speaker 3>was my sister.

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<v Speaker 1>From the moment of the first press conference about the

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<v Speaker 1>initial Gruesome discoveries, the sister of Jacqueline Leclaire got a

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<v Speaker 1>sinking feeling that her sister was among the unidentified victims.

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<v Speaker 1>When the King's prosecutor shared a small detail towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of.

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<v Speaker 10>Us briefing, I can confirm as well that on the

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<v Speaker 10>left forearm of one of the victims there was removal

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<v Speaker 10>of roughly five centimeters of flesh. Was there a tattoo

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<v Speaker 10>or was there something else? We do not know At

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<v Speaker 10>this stage.

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<v Speaker 3>I feared that the garbage bags contain my sister's body.

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<v Speaker 3>Jacqueline add a tattoo of her hex husband Angelo on

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<v Speaker 3>a left fore arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities would confirm that one of the victims discovered was

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline Leclaire, but before they officially communicated this tragic news

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<v Speaker 1>to the family, reporters broke the story on live television

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<v Speaker 1>while her sister and mother were watching.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not through the justice system or the police that

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<v Speaker 3>we learned Jaqueline was among the victims. We learned about

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<v Speaker 3>it on television with a picture writer on the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a terrible shot. We heard that my little

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<v Speaker 3>sister was cut into pieces. Can you imagine what happens

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<v Speaker 3>in your heads when you hear dad, It's horrible. It's horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline Leclaire, thirty three years old, sister, daughter, and mother

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<v Speaker 1>of four children, was identified as the victim of a

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<v Speaker 1>brutal serial killer. Her mother and sister, who had never

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<v Speaker 1>given up searching for her, were devastated. They thought she

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<v Speaker 1>may have no longer been alive, but nothing could have

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<v Speaker 1>prepared them for this. To this day, her head and

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<v Speaker 1>several other body parts have still never been found. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>back in with Xavier Morgan van Leaerberg and another man

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<v Speaker 1>who will remain unnamed. We're in a car driving away

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<v Speaker 1>from the train station in the direction of the spot

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<v Speaker 1>where the first grusome discovery was made.

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<v Speaker 7>So now we've left the area around the train station

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<v Speaker 7>to drive to the principal deposit site where they found

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<v Speaker 7>the nine trash bags. And as you can see, we're

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<v Speaker 7>almost there already, so it takes less than five minutes

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<v Speaker 7>to get from the station area to the Rue van

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<v Speaker 7>der Velda.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get a clear understanding of how the

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrator must have deposited the original nine trash bags full

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<v Speaker 1>of body parts on the side of a relatively busy

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<v Speaker 1>road near the center of Mons. The first thing that

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<v Speaker 1>appears clear to me right away is that he needed

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle to do this. It's really quite surprising that

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<v Speaker 1>he was would have chosen this site. It's a somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>busy two way road that passes over train tracks and

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<v Speaker 1>into the neighboring commune of quem.

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<v Speaker 7>So you can see that there is housing on both sides.

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<v Speaker 7>And now we're arriving in the only zone where there's

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<v Speaker 7>nature and no housing.

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<v Speaker 1>The car behind us hanks as we pull over to

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the road, just as a killer would

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<v Speaker 1>have done. There's really not much room to pull over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Frankly speaking, it seems like a dangerous spot to dump

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<v Speaker 1>a body. It's not very well hidden. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a place where people illegally discarded trash, so not

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<v Speaker 1>completely suspect to see trash bags down in the ditch

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<v Speaker 1>next to the road. In fact, the police officer on

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<v Speaker 1>horseback who discovered the severed hand did so very much

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<v Speaker 1>by chance. Coincidentally, the cat drew his attention from his

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<v Speaker 1>mounted view. Had the officer been on foot, he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have seen it, and it just so happened that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the trash bags was ripped open, allowing the hand

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen in the first place. In the early

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<v Speaker 1>days of the investigation, after the first bodies were discovered,

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<v Speaker 1>the medium mistakenly mentioned a fourth victim, but as the

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<v Speaker 1>dust began to settle, it was determined that the fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>bags were all from three female victims. Police and forensics

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<v Speaker 1>experts were struggling to identify the two of these three victims.

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<v Speaker 1>They had identified Jacqueline early because of the killer's clumsy

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to remove an identifying tattoo, on her left forearm.

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<v Speaker 1>Her sister Georgette had also been furiously looking for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and her missing person's case was on the police radar.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long to connect the dots and make

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<v Speaker 1>the identification. Her state of decomposition three months was also

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<v Speaker 1>an identifying factor. Jacqueline disappeared exactly three months to the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the first discovery. The other two victims, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, were a total mystery. Police were also

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<v Speaker 1>able to estimate their times of death based on states

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<v Speaker 1>of decomposition, the oldest dating from six months to a year,

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<v Speaker 1>and the most recent, who was believed to have been

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<v Speaker 1>murdered within days of the discovery. It was especially chilling

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that the latest discovery of the female torso

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<v Speaker 1>had been dumped after the initial discovery. It confirmed police's

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<v Speaker 1>and the public's worst fears. This wasn't a case of

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<v Speaker 1>just finding out what happened. It was happening in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke to the investigative journalist Frederic Laure about those

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<v Speaker 1>fateful three days of March twenty second, twenty third, and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, nineteen ninety six in mass where every day

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<v Speaker 1>brought a new terrifying discovery.

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<v Speaker 8>I am originally from Moss and I was a young

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<v Speaker 8>reporter at the time. It was just incredible. There had

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<v Speaker 8>never been a serial killer like this in Belgium, much

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<v Speaker 8>less in Monts, and now we had the most grotesque

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<v Speaker 8>story ever. Police, magistrates and even journalists were overwhelmed think

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<v Speaker 8>about it. On March twenty two, eight sacks containing shopped

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<v Speaker 8>up female body parts are found. The next day they

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<v Speaker 8>find the nine sack, and then the next day they

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<v Speaker 8>find the female torso in a sack at another site,

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<v Speaker 8>this time very close to the center of Monts, just

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<v Speaker 8>behind the train station. I was dispatched to cover the

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<v Speaker 8>case and people were really terrified. Information was coming so fast.

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<v Speaker 8>Everyone had questions how many victims are there or where

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<v Speaker 8>they killed? And the question remains, where is the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators barely had time to catch their breath before another

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<v Speaker 1>discovery was made. On April twelfth, nineteen ninety seven, approximately

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks after the first discoveries, two more gruesome trash

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<v Speaker 1>bags were found and yet another location.

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<v Speaker 6>Good afternoon in Havrey, near Monts, two garbage bags containing

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<v Speaker 6>human remains were discovered. The body parts are currently at

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<v Speaker 6>the Forensics Institute in Liege for examination. The similarities with

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<v Speaker 6>the three cadavers discovered in Quem fifteen days ago are flagrant.

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<v Speaker 6>Investigators believe it is the same perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 1>By now the entire country of Belgium was fixated on

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation. Once again, the King's Prosecute held another macab

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<v Speaker 1>press conference.

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<v Speaker 10>The first bag contained a foot and a fore leg,

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<v Speaker 10>meaning the part of the leg between the knee and

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<v Speaker 10>the ankle. The second bag contained a head. It is

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<v Speaker 10>a female head, but we are unable to identify this

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<v Speaker 10>person because of the state of decomposition, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 10>appear to resemble any of the missing persons in our files.

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<v Speaker 1>And only six days after that, yet another grisom discovery

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<v Speaker 1>had a new.

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<v Speaker 5>Location Simfurian streets in Havre. It's four pm. Police forces

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<v Speaker 5>are holding back the press from where three new trash

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<v Speaker 5>bags were just discovered containing human remains. The King's Prosecutor

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<v Speaker 5>explains what seems more and more to resemble a sordid

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<v Speaker 5>treasure hunt.

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<v Speaker 10>Sak examination of these bags. There are three of them

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<v Speaker 10>contained respectively, a hand with arm unsevered and a forearm.

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<v Speaker 1>In seven days, five new bags were discovered, a total

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen bag eleven a female head, bag twelve, a

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<v Speaker 1>foot and a leg, bag thirteen, a thigh, bag fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a thigh and bag fifteen, a hand, an arm and

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<v Speaker 1>a forearm. The locations of the two new discoveries were

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<v Speaker 1>again different, this time just outside of Monts about a

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<v Speaker 1>ten minute drive from the train station. For the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>police had the head of one of the victims. The

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<v Speaker 1>chief of the police unit in charge of the investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Ghill Marie Martin, explains.

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<v Speaker 11>We discovered the head of a woman, but the head

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<v Speaker 11>wasn't presentable for the p so I decided to ask

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<v Speaker 11>the investigating judge to request the services of a police

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<v Speaker 11>portrait artist who sketched the head and that drawing was

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<v Speaker 11>distributed to the press. Afterward, I got a call in

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<v Speaker 11>the afternoon from a woman who was completely terrified and

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<v Speaker 11>in a state of shock, who said, it's my daughter,

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<v Speaker 11>it's my daughter. And so I went to her house

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<v Speaker 11>with another inspector and from the start she was sure

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<v Speaker 11>it was her daughter in this case, Natalie Godart, Madame.

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<v Speaker 11>And there was a little girl who was there, two

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<v Speaker 11>years old or two and a half, and she took

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<v Speaker 11>a newspaper off of a chair and came over and

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<v Speaker 11>said that's mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>That little girl who recognized her mother's composite picture in

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<v Speaker 1>the newspaper was two year old Laura, the daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie Godard, who went missing three months after Jacqueline Leclair.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll recall that we heard from Laura in the previous

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<v Speaker 1>episode where she described her mother's hardships as well as

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<v Speaker 1>her own, having grown up in a dysfunctional family in

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<v Speaker 1>the foster care system. With Natalie Godard now identified as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the three victims, the investigative dots were beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to connect. Natalie was the most recent victim, murdered just

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<v Speaker 1>days before the first trash bags were discovered. Jacqueline was

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<v Speaker 1>the second most recent victim, murdered three months before the discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline and Natalie frequented the same bars and restaurants near

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<v Speaker 1>the Mosse train station, which was now ground zero for investigators,

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<v Speaker 1>but the third victim had not yet been identified. She

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<v Speaker 1>was estimated to have been murdered six months to a

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<v Speaker 1>year prior to the first discovery. Three victims body parts

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<v Speaker 1>discarded in fifteen separate trash backs spread across four locations

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<v Speaker 1>in and around the city of Moss. The horror of

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<v Speaker 1>the previous month had set in and taken hold of

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<v Speaker 1>the community. The only hope was that the worst was

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<v Speaker 1>behind them. Was they didn't know at the time was

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<v Speaker 1>that the story was far from over, and that the

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<v Speaker 1>horror they'd witnessed in the previous month was only the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time, on season two of La Monstre.

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<v Speaker 6>It is now certain that the butcher of Mons has

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<v Speaker 6>killed three victims. It's also certain that the trash bags

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<v Speaker 6>recently discovered were deposited at different timestell.

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<v Speaker 12>The police called me and said that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 12>do a DNA tests chevu because a hair containing my

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<v Speaker 12>DNA would have been found in one of the trash bags,

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<v Speaker 12>and that the DNA led them to me.

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<v Speaker 8>Are becoming clear about the connection between those three victims

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<v Speaker 8>and the way they have been killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Le Monstre is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, hosted, written,

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<v Speaker 1>and executive produced by Me. Matt Graves, Donald Albright, and

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<v Speaker 1>Payne Lindsay are executive producers on the behalf of Tenderfoot TV,

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<v Speaker 1>Original music by Jay Ragsdale, Sound design and master by

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper Skinner, Cover design by Byron McCoy and Trevor Eiler.

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<v Speaker 1>Lea Monstre includes archival audio from SONYMA RTBF Archives. Special

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to Aren Rosenbaum and the team at UTA, the

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<v Speaker 1>Nord Group and are Active Investigation team Morgen van Leerberg,

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