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Speaker 1: Previously on La monstre.

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Speaker 3: So at around eight pm, I dropped her off in

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Speaker 1: What Georgette didn't know then was that this would be

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Speaker 4: Jacqueline Lazy.

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Speaker 5: Now the disappearance of a woman from Mont Jacqueline le Clerk,

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Speaker 5: thirty three years old, Chateau.

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Speaker 6: This young woman has short, light brown hair and blue eyes,

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Speaker 7: Okay, we're arriving where the attempts to use her bank

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Speaker 8: As a young reporter, I covered everything, but since I

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Speaker 8: Jacqueline Leclaire and Natalie Goudaar.

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Speaker 1: Both women frequented several of the same cafes and bars

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Speaker 3: She had mentioned this meant to me. She found him

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Speaker 1: It was a dull gray morning. On March twenty second,

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Speaker 4: Later, A can'tbly mysteriously couvert de mon.

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Speaker 5: The history they disappearance of a woman from Mont Jacqueline.

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Speaker 4: The condition of the victims was sickening.

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Speaker 1: Graves and this is La manstre season two, The Butcher

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Speaker 5: By gab Mysterious Nikouvitt, there was a macabre and mysterious

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Speaker 1: The initial breaking news brought up public fear. Unlike anything

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Speaker 1: Who were these women? How long ago had they been murdered?

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Speaker 1: Was the killer still out there? The public's thirst for

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Speaker 5: After the terrible discoveries of Saturday, investigators made a new

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Speaker 8: Everyone had questions how many victims are there or where

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Speaker 1: Investigators barely had time to catch their breath before another

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Speaker 6: Good afternoon in Havrey, near Monts, two garbage bags containing

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Speaker 1: By now the entire country of Belgium was fixated on

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Speaker 10: The first bag contained a foot and a fore leg,

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Speaker 1: And only six days after that, yet another grisom discovery

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Speaker 5: Location Simfurian streets in Havre. It's four pm. Police forces

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Speaker 10: Sak examination of these bags. There are three of them

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Speaker 1: In seven days, five new bags were discovered, a total

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Speaker 6: It is now certain that the butcher of Mons has

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Speaker 12: The police called me and said that they wanted to

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Speaker 8: Are becoming clear about the connection between those three victims

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