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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL five Q and NFL podcast for the

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Speaker 1: Players by the Players. Here is your host, four team

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Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. What's up?

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Speaker 1: Everybody hits the holiday season, and I have the distinct

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Speaker 1: honor to be with our panel here on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: And this panel includes Donovan Darius who's still on cloud

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Speaker 1: nine after the Syracuse Orange Man upset the Clemson Today,

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Speaker 1: he's taken a picture and he's still excited about itself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you hear a little more, a little more enthusiasm

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Speaker 1: from him, that's the backdrop. So I wanted you to know.

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Speaker 1: Then we have Ken Rutgers. I actually ready Ken's book

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Speaker 1: when uh, and he's not that he's not that old.

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Speaker 1: Ken is still in his early thirties. You know. I'm

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Speaker 1: joking around with that. Yeah, you're actually you were in

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Speaker 1: the book. You didn't interview in your stories in the books,

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Speaker 1: So that's what it was. Yes, So I was a

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Speaker 1: part of a project that Ken did with the book.

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Speaker 1: That really was a blessing to many. So glad to

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Speaker 1: have your Ken. How many years with the Packers, But

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Speaker 1: that's a rarity. It was really nice. And then we

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Speaker 1: also have we have Roderick jack Rotteney, I's Rottney Jackson,

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Speaker 1: which brings a unique perspective from the panel, having fifteen

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Speaker 1: years of military service, and we thank God for your

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Speaker 1: service into the military. So let's get right after it

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Speaker 1: when the holidays and we're talking about transitioning and transitioning

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Speaker 1: for legends. That's a huge topic and a lot of

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Speaker 1: times guys transition not when they're ready and not always

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Speaker 1: on their own terms. But I think there's enough experience

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Speaker 1: here military as well as legends that are here at

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Speaker 1: the table. But through this discussion, the wind would be

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Speaker 1: after this podcast is what are some of the natural,

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Speaker 1: organic experiences that you've had that you think will translate

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Speaker 1: to helping a legend, uh, get through the holidays because

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Speaker 1: the other things holidays are difficult. Sometimes when you're an athlete,

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Speaker 1: you're playing. One of the greatest things about being in

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Speaker 1: the league, being in college is that they set your structure.

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Speaker 1: And when you get done playing and you lose that

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Speaker 1: you start feeling that it's like I need to be somewhere,

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Speaker 1: one of those times where I remember, you know, when

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Speaker 1: playing with the Jaguars, they would either bring us to

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Speaker 1: the time with your family, or they would, you know,

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Speaker 1: in some cases they're trying to skip the practice or

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Speaker 1: just they'll do something around it, but not planning anymore.

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Speaker 1: You feel like there's something missing and you don't you

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Speaker 1: feel feel that void, and so it can be challenging

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Speaker 1: for for individuals. I would just say, and one of

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Speaker 1: A lot of the holidays that we had were at

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Speaker 1: and so let's go, let's playing out, going over someone

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Speaker 1: And when you're not playing anymore, feel like you're being

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Speaker 1: rotten heaven A fifteen years of military experience, is there

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Speaker 1: saying that when the holidays come up, it won't be

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Speaker 1: And there is a lot of overlap between my current

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Speaker 1: profession and you know, the NFL, right, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: hard for an individual to be in that uniform and

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Speaker 1: acquire so many ranks and then leave and go be Rodney.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you feel like Rodney is not good enough because

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Speaker 1: successful or whatever it's gonna be. I think it's one

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Speaker 1: Just get the bullhorn, guys, please please and get to

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Speaker 1: director of player engagement. That person's responsibility is to get

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Speaker 1: And when you're done, that's when the Legends community come in.

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Speaker 1: Because we are your director of the players engagement. We're

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Speaker 1: here to get you connected to any and everything you need,

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Speaker 1: every resource that's out there that covers every area of

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Speaker 1: whether it's benefits, whether it's programs, transition assistance, legends, community,

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Speaker 1: to give them the one goal. Am I right? NFL goal?

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Speaker 1: I want to. I want to close out with this picture.

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Speaker 1: Think of the legends community gainst charcoal. If the charcoal

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm not down with YAO. Alright, what's gonna

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Speaker 1: And I want to say to all those legends that

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, it's been awesome. Thank you appreciate. This

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Speaker 1: has been the NFL Legends Podcast. To provide feedback or

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