WEBVTT - Severance: Attila 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.120 Warning. Today's episode can day spoilers for episode six from 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:24.560 season two of sevens on Apple TV Plus. Be warned. Hello, 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.480 my name is Jason Conspsion and on Mersday night, welcome 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.680 back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we dived 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.240 to your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Coming 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.680 fromind our podcast where we're bringing you three episodes a 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.520 week every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, plus news on the weekend. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.760 In today's episode, we are back in Loom and what 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.120 is going on nobody knows, So we are recapping and 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.800 discussing the latest episode of Severance Season two, episode six 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.320 at Tila. You will never guess in a million years 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.440 why it's called a tilla. Just some of my favorite 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:00.960 writing of season so far. 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.440 Okay, let's get into it. Episode two O six Attila 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:11.880 written by series creator Dan Eriksson and Aaron Wagoner, directed 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.679 by Uda Brissowitz. This is her first first episode she 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.520 has directed for this show, but she is steeped in 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:25.480 the prestige television world, including stints on Stranger Things, Westworld, 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:26.920 Black Marri et cetera. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.360 Which I think does really come through this episode, like kind. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:36.920 Of strange, strange contrasts in this episode for sure, Audie. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:41.840 Mark is describing his experiences of having these kind of 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:47.680 breakthrough recollections from any Mark, and he's describing this Togaby. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.680 This is of course the in the wake of the 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.720 reintegration process that Regaby kind of we are seeing amateurishly 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:01.920 performed on Mark. He has shaken, like back this woman. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.360 I get that she feels guilty and wants to kind 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.880 of help, you know, take down Lumen or or help 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.760 people who've been severed. But I feel like she does 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:17.440 not have the experience to do this surgery. Like every 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.919 time it's not going well for anyone, and I'm worried 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:21.760 about out. 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.959 Yet, as we will see. So Mark is shaken by 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.519 what he's seen. He's describing, you know, at a hallway 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.240 that all of a sudden becomes these light you know, 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:37.840 the the white, brightly lit hallways of Lumen. And he 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.320 describes the experience of seeing his wife and he wants 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.720 to know, like, you know, why is she saying the 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:49.440 seemingly random like facts about Audis why does Luman want her? 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.440 What's going on? Ragabi is like, well, clearly she is 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:57.200 vital somehow to whatever they're doing. And she says and 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:02.040 system Mark that listen when reintegration, when it's and it's 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.240 happening now you know, once the process is finished, you 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.040 and your wife will be able to be together. How 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:14.360 exactly that leap makes sense is not laid out by Regabi, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.760 but like Mark is clearly buying into it. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.480 And that definitely makes me feel like she has an 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.600 ulteriu motive. Yeah, there's something Reintroduitte because she's something she's 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.560 deeply trying to commence. Mark, like, you need this, You'll 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.560 be back with your wife, Everything will be okay. But 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.959 as we see throughout this episode, that actual reality of 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.760 an AUTI having older memories of that any and themselves. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:42.760 It feels and also, yeah, I'm gonna ask you about 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.160 more about this as we as we get to the conversation. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:46.560 But yeah, very strange. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:51.720 I think, just to kind of precursor my thoughts, I 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:57.520 do feel like post asseverance procedure, there's only one outcome 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.720 that makes sense. Either you're Audi destroys your Inny or 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.240 your Any destroys your Audi. You can't be both, No 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.200 one has to One has to be the person and 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.000 the other person has to go whatever that is. Back 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.080 at Luman, Dylan is telling Mark and Helly about the 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.400 map he found. He's clearly very scared. He's like, I 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.200 don't know why I put it back, but I'm scared 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.120 by this. Helly is really excited because she feels like 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.720 getting somewhere in this, in this investigation we're undergoing. Mark 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.000 is a little excited as well. Dylan just gets scared. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.920 He just like walks away. Yea, his privileges to be 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.720 fucking his Audi's wife will not fun, but you know, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:42.479 like having an emotion. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.440 I mean it is his wife, but it's not his wife. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.880 Yeah. Mark looks in the fridge and suddenly the walls 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.720 of the of Severance, the Glasgow block is like is 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.159 just fading away because he's seeing he opens the work fridge, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.280 but he's seeing Mark fridge, Audi Marx fridge, and we're 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.200 getting these like quick cuts between Any and Audi world 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:13.000 and suddenly he's in Mark's kitchen. Miltchik is having a 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.680 meeting with miss Wang and it's very tense. We saw 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.400 in the previous episode that there is a little there's 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.240 a power struggle clearly going on, and now it is 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.520 kind of out in the open. Miltchik makes it clear 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:34.880 that post his little meeting with mister Drummond that he 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.360 understands that strikes on his record came from miss Wang, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:44.000 and he lets her know, listen, your career track is 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.760 contingent on my approval, Like I can decide anytime that 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.200 you're not cutting it here and you will not proceed 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.120 to the next level, which I forget what he called it, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.479 like winter Soldier. I want to say Winter Soldier, but 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.000 it's not Winter Soldier. I'll look at it. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.279 Yeah, it's that kind of situation. But also I have 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:05.760 to say, how unbelievable is this act that he can 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:10.480 absolutely act just fully against this child like it, but 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:11.520 it feels like it's. 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.520 The most It's a stressful. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.480 Meeting in the world, and you are not taken out 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.360 of it by the fact that miss Wyang is the 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:20.800 child Winter Tide. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.960 Wintertide, thank you. So he lets her know, Listen, I 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.960 get it. You want my job, but you can't even 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:32.440 progress to out of Wintertide. Whatever this project title means 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.880 without me saying that you're doing a good job here, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.880 that means cut out all the other shit, stop trying 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.400 to undermine me, et cetera. Now here's a little something, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.200 because I just took you to the woodshed. But here's 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.080 a little something I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna leave you 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.680 in charge of the floor, but you can't sit at 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.800 my desk. You can't be in my off go to 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:57.440 the desk, and clearly the look on Miltchik's face when 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.479 she leaves is I'm gonna have to keep an eye 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.320 on her. That's what he's thinking. Mark and Helly are 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:07.400 in the bathroom, conspiring in a stall, and she thinks 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.560 correctly that management is continuing to try to divide them, 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:16.200 which must mean they're getting somewhere. Mark then is like, listen, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.320 I have something to tell you. I had sex with 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.760 your audi Helena, thinking clearly that it was you at 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:26.520 the orbo. And Helly is like, oh my god. They 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.040 really are trying to divide us. This is like another 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.200 tactic from them. But I can't talk about this right now. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.680 I need to walk the halls and just like process, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.680 this is like too much for me to talk about. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.120 Milchik meanwhile, goes to like a storeroom somewhere and he 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.800 is he grabs a jar of paper clips, and you know, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:52.480 with his review in mind, and the second point on 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.520 the review, the criticism of him that he didn't put 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:59.400 the paper clips on the correct way. He now very 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.600 diligent applies the paper clips to his reports in the 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:08.200 correct way. Elsewhere, Dylan is again meeting with Gretchen, his 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:14.880 Audi's wife. She is telling him more about Audi Dylan 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.840 and what he's like in it, and we get we 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.400 get the feeling, as we got from the previous interactions 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.240 that Audi Dylan is kind of a flake, kind of directionless, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.640 whatever the situation is with their relationship. She fell in 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.920 love with a person that she clearly feels is more 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.720 like any Dylan and less like her husband. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.720 Also as well, like any Dylan fascinating. Any Dylan has 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.319 this just absolute kind of Oh, he's in awe of 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.719 her and just think she's so great because he's been 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.720 great and any for so long. So there's also a 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.800 passion and appreciation that that it doesn't feel like Auti 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.360 Dylan is giving Gretchen. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.880 Yeah, Gretchen is like, sometimes I want to ask your Audi, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.160 like is he happy? Like, because I feel like he's 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.400 not happy, And Any Dylan is just like, how could 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:07.600 he not be happy with you? 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:09.319 You're so great? 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:14.680 You must be like just so good all the time. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.559 And she's like, well, you know, like we're together now, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.280 and he's like, yeah, but it's not the same because 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.079 it's not he has you for real, like in the 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.120 outside world. And then he's like, you know, forget all this, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.240 can we just like hug again? So they hug and 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.560 then they kiss. So I definitely an emotional affair going on, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.880 and you need to feel this is exactly what Miltchick 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.640 and the board want exactly, so Drummond want. This is 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.640 what Miss Miltchick wanted, This is what Loom wants. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.760 There's no other reason they would be letting him out. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.880 They're trying to fuck up his ship. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.800 They're trying to fuck up his ship, trying to keep 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.520 him away from keep him occupied unless it Mark's here. Well, 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.200 all this is going on, Mark's at his desk and 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.000 he's thinking about Helly and the art bow and all 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.600 this stuff, And meanwhile Helly is walking around. She's thinking 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.360 about Mark. He goes so look for her. They run 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.680 into each other and she tells him like, listen, Okay, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.160 you thought it was me, which means you have feelings 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:09.679 for me, And Okay, I'm troubled by this, but like 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.079 I get that you're not to blame in this situation 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.440 and I want my own memories of you. And so 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:23.200 this is Mark's the luckiest week of Marks really because 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:28.680 he's just like getting it left and right. He's like, Okay, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:29.360 the Abel twin. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.520 Imagine to me, you had twist my army. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.079 Now I guess I'm. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.040 Gonna have to have sex. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.160 Too, like you guys, we're gonna have to do it twice. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.440 I mean, twist my arm if you insist, let's go. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.040 They go to an unused office and it's this weird 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:47.560 mirror in inside lumin mirror image of the Orbo because 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:52.720 they're under these these plastic covered workspaces that like mirror 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.200 the tent experience. And they get down to business and 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.560 again Mark is, this is maybe not exactly what milk 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.320 chick on the board we're thinking. When it's. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:11.360 Also I'm like, I love the wrinkle that Helly creates, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.280 Like it's it's really funny because they wanted the big 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.720 reveal of season one is like, oh, she's Helena, you know, 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.840 Helene essentially like runs the company like but really they 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.800 make you feel like, well, you guys fucked up because 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.360 Helly is a real one and she's crazy like you, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:32.040 and and it's so much fun to watch her trying 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.079 her best to uncover the truth of what's going on, 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.520 even in the face of this like horrific realization about herself. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.920 And I'm glad her and Anie Mark are back in 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:43.760 the good books. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:49.600 It's nice. It's nice even though clearly Helly is unbeknownst 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.760 to her a spy in some way exactly. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:58.280 And also Helena is is OUTI Helena is making big 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.800 moves this episode, so. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.800 Like we as we will see yeah, when we find 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.280 ourselves back with Miltchick. He's clipped so many reports, is 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.720 like hands are shaking. He then goes to a mirror 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.360 that's hidden behind like some folders on a shelf, and 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:17.800 he now addresses the first point, the first criticism in 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.440 his review, that is, he uses too many big words. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:27.320 So he says to himself, you know, he starts in 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:32.760 a place like telling himself, addressing the criticism by saying, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.599 you must put aside childish things. And then that evolves 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:42.120 as he addresses his criticism too. You must grow up. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.959 You must grow up, You must grow, you must grow, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.000 you must grow. He eventually tells himself very seriously and 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:55.120 very intensely. And I know Miltchik is not severed traditionally, 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.320 but you do wonder if it left me wondering, like 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.200 if there isn't a different version of severance that is 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.280 like not location specific, it's time specific. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.040 Like, yes, I think the big question in this after 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.120 this episode is how does time walk in Lumen? And yeah, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.440 like the manipulate time. Did he begin as a child 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:18.960 like miss wise? Right? 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.040 Is he severed for like a three month period or 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.840 a three year period? You know, like is something we'll 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.160 talk about this more, but like we we get from 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:35.680 the Burt Irving Fields dinner the idea that maybe there 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.800 is a rehabilitation aspect to severance, and so like is 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:44.600 there something where someone could decide I'm going to get 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.080 severed for three years, I'm not gonna remember any of it, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.480 and when I come out of it, I'm gonna be 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.200 like set for yeah. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.679 Like a different for a period of my money or whatever. Yeah. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.520 Yeah. And also because I get the feeling from I 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.920 get the feeling from Milk Chick that like he's under 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.360 a gun deadline wise, and it's not Lumin putting that 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.200 pressure on him, like he is feeling like I need 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.120 to make the most of this time. That's the feeling 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.640 I get. Yeah, I don't know. Let's continue. Helly and 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.040 Mark are basically in love now they come out of 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.760 It's wonderful. It's very cute to see them post intercourse 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.560 and they are in love with each other because they 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:29.000 are just lovey w lovey dove. Helly realizes she's like, oh, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.400 they kiss, and she's like, oh, my nose is bleeding. No, 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:36.920 your nose is bleeding. The clearly reintegration Regabi's backgroom reintegration 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.880 process is like failing on some level. They go see 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.200 miss Wang, who is you know, as the manager of 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.080 the floor I guess is also like the school nurse, 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.320 and as you would expect, she's very curious about this newsbleach. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.960 She it's like, okay, well the humidity is okay in 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.359 the office, like because. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:01.080 She also probably has some awareness of integration dude, like 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:06.200 yeah exists. So yeah that definitely asking him like what's 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.880 going on with you? Like are you still sabbath? 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.360 They're also probably you know that I would assume any 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.360 like headaches or anything that happens like inside lumen. They're like, oh, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:17.720 the chip, like what's going on? 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.400 Oh that's a great point too. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:24.000 Yeah, so she's asking like, have you been hallucinating seeing 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:29.760 auras and of course he has been having both, and 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.480 but he lies about it. And then right then it happens. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.880 Right then the audi world breaks through and he is 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.840 with Ragabi in his garage and she's kind of hooked 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:47.200 up to all this hardware and she's like, wait a second, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.800 where you're just like a llumin right now? And he's 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.440 like yeah, and she's like, okay, well what was happening? 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.240 Like what do you remember? Do you remember Hallway? Do 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.600 you remember an elevator? And he's like, I remember, I 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:04.200 can't remember any fuck and he can't and he's and 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.600 he's coughing, coughing, and we don't know how he got 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.320 out of that, Like we don't know what the outcome 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.600 of that miss Wang situation is. But like the worlds 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.320 are colliding in a really fascinating way and it slips 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:19.000 away from him. Regabby is like, it's happening, but it 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.640 needs to happen faster. Why does it need to happen faster? 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.800 I don't understand that, which leads me to believe that 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:31.720 you're right, Regabby. Whatever, there's her own agenda and there's 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.880 a deadline to that and she's she downplays the risks 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.920 of like quote unquote speeding it up by saying, oh, yeah, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.600 there is a risk of hemorrhage, but like we could 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.200 do it, like we could like flood the chip whatever 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:49.120 that is. And Mark is like, no, I'm no. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.320 And also he's like I love au E mok. When 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.320 he gets like really in like a tizzy and he's 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.480 being like a dick to everyone and he's just like, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:58.960 I'm not doing It's. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.400 Like I'm not sorry, I'm not get doing. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.880 I was like, yeah, I love this for you, Adam Scott, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.840 like you never get to play somebody in a tizzy. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.520 And we'll be back at work in Lumen after a 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:25.400 word from our sponsors and we're back. What was that? 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.800 No? What was that? What was that? 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.080 Irving goes to dinner at the home of bud Bird 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.600 and fields. It is charged. There is energy you could 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:45.280 cut is an energy. It's a little bit like bringing 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:51.159 your side piece, trying dinner with your when you're like 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:56.240 long time part like and there is that kind of 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.760 energy in the air. But there's also clearly like h 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.359 and some kind of an attraction between the Audi Birtnaudy 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.320 Bird and Audi Irving Irving apologizes for, you know, coming 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.920 to the house previously and causing a ruckus and screaming 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:17.200 Bert's name. Phil says, nonsense, and then he says, very cuttingly, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.800 it seems like what's mine is yours and that's like 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:25.119 whoa okay, okay, over dinner we get a huge I 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:25.959 think a huge. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.000 This is a massive kind of philosophical I think this 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.560 is a huge detail. Wrinkle, Yeah. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.920 Yeah. Bert says that he came to Lumen because of 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:40.800 his relationship with Jesus Christ. He apparently was, in his words, 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.920 a rascal of his life. Does that mean a scoundrel? 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.439 Excuse me? Does that mean criminal? Does that mean sinner? 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.640 What does that mean? We don't know. But he heard 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:58.520 a sermon in which the priest said that the Church 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:04.679 considers the innis and innis and outies to be completely separate, 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:11.000 fully formed people with souls. Therefore, an any could go 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:18.800 to heaven while the audi goes to hell. Why appealed 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.639 to them, because again Bert being a scoundrel, he was concerned, 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.080 not even concerned. He was completely sure that he was 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.600 not going to go to heaven, so he would not 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.120 be able to spend eternity with Burt in this way 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:37.360 with Fields, and this way an aspect of Bert they 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.800 believe would be able to spend eternity with it. Fields 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.320 his partner, this is. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.240 This is crazy. So this is why I think Severance 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.640 has done so well. And I was kind of awe 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.879 struck by this and it was definitely giving me like 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.400 Leftover's vibes. They take what seems to be a very 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.720 simple concept, what if when you're at work you didn't 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:01.960 your real life and when you're at home you didn't 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.440 remember your work life. But over these one and a 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.880 half seasons, they've extrapolated it to the point where they 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.560 actually are asking really interest huge question, very huge questions 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.560 of like oh okay, well what does that really mean? 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.240 And how do you behave at work and how would 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.320 that interact with your life, to the point where they're 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.320 now doing world building about how, you know, global religions 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:32.520 perceive this specific way of living your life of working. 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.760 I think it's so interesting and I also this they're saying, 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.800 like innies have their own souls, you know, so it 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:46.040 becomes its own larger conversation and very interesting too, because 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.760 the church sees the innis is having souls, but most 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.239 other people and organizations don't even seem to think that 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.040 they're worth having any agency. 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:56.000 Well that. 0:20:58.480 --> 0:20:58.720 Is you. 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:03.160 I almost feel as if because we've seemed you're right 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:11.840 the disdain that Helena Egan and others look at Any's with, 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.600 including miss Wang, that they're less than real people, and 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:21.680 you almost feel like God, was this sermon pr some 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.880 sort of is it right? 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:25.240 Is it? 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.040 What is it? In response to that's the interesting thing 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.480 to me? And it and it for the first well 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.360 not the first time, but in the most overt way, 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.959 brings up the idea that severance could be part of 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:44.600 a rehabilitation process, some way to rehabilitate people, to make 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:49.879 them to make pe to to allow people who like 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:57.080 Bert were maybe not living the most upright, straightforward lives 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.400 to make yeah, to make them to get something useful 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.240 out of their time. This is really fascinating and it 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.200 makes you wonder, like what else severance is used. 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.080 For and in what I think that you touch on 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.760 something really interesting here too, because we will soon learn 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.720 something else at the dinner. Yes, that that makes that 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:21.000 I think adds to your theory here. And I actually 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.040 came away from this episode wondering, you know, the hopeful 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.840 idea of it is rehabilitation, but the other side of 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:32.600 it is like, is severance essentially like an alternate alternate 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.240 to prison? Like is it? 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.520 I think it might be a different type of prison exactly. 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.960 And then we start to talk about, well, when you're 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.200 in Severance, how much time are you actually in there 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.760 spending working? Because it does seem from this episode that 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.960 innies and out he's experienced time differently. But we're going 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:53.280 to get to that in a minute. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:58.560 So meanwhile, while all this is happening, mister Drummond uh 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:04.800 is breaking into expect has like a huge bring of keys, 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:11.680 let my man live, breaking into Irving's house. We have 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.639 to note, of course that mister Drummond has the tattoo 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.600 Frolic on his hand. This is one of the according 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:25.760 to the Egan Lumen ideology, right, the four tempers, there 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:34.520 is frolic, malice, woe, and dread and one wonders where 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.760 the others are. But like, so this is interesting anyway, 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.880 Audi Dylan, Meanwhile, I guess the same evening is having 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:43.920 dinner with Gretchen and the kids. And we see again 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.040 this kind of like very disconnected relationship that Gretchen and 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.920 Audi Dylan have and we learned that Gretchen is straight 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:54.760 up lying to about what she's doing. This isn't it now? 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:58.200 It's an a well, I think because I think otherwise, 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:03.920 like the any Auti all becomes very complex and well. 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.040 You can understand how in some ways, if somebody behaves well, 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.160 you could reward them by going to see their Auti 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.040 family because technically it's their family. But as soon as 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.080 she lies to him and says, I'm not going like 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.800 I'm not going to loomin, I'm obvious, and she's like 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.240 obviously now hiding the fact that she's like got feelings 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.520 for any Dylan is very interesting. And again, I think 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:28.480 this is a really intriguing episode because it is essentially 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:33.320 centered around all these kind of twisted romantic relationships that 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:38.240 the Severance program has kind of sparked. Whether it's IRV 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:42.240 and Butt and Fields now, whether it's Helena and Helly 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.240 and Mark, or whether it's any Auti Dylan and Gretchen. 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:47.840 So it's really interesting. 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.280 Mark is having dinner alone at a Chinese spot and 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.960 he is eating like a total just get asked for 0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:00.840 a fork, No, he's he's lost, Okay, So being straight 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.720