1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode can day spoilers for episode six from 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: season two of sevens on Apple TV Plus. Be warned. Hello, 3 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: my name is Jason Conspsion and on Mersday night, welcome 4 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we dived 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Coming 6 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: fromind our podcast where we're bringing you three episodes a 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: week every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, plus news on the weekend. 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are back in Loom and what 9 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: is going on nobody knows, So we are recapping and 10 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: discussing the latest episode of Severance Season two, episode six 11 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: at Tila. You will never guess in a million years 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: why it's called a tilla. Just some of my favorite 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: writing of season so far. 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it. Episode two O six Attila 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: written by series creator Dan Eriksson and Aaron Wagoner, directed 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: by Uda Brissowitz. This is her first first episode she 17 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: has directed for this show, but she is steeped in 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: the prestige television world, including stints on Stranger Things, Westworld, 19 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Black Marri et cetera. 20 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: Which I think does really come through this episode, like kind. 21 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: Of strange, strange contrasts in this episode for sure, Audie. 22 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Mark is describing his experiences of having these kind of 23 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: breakthrough recollections from any Mark, and he's describing this Togaby. 24 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: This is of course the in the wake of the 25 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: reintegration process that Regaby kind of we are seeing amateurishly 26 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: performed on Mark. He has shaken, like back this woman. 27 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: I get that she feels guilty and wants to kind 28 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: of help, you know, take down Lumen or or help 29 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: people who've been severed. But I feel like she does 30 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: not have the experience to do this surgery. Like every 31 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: time it's not going well for anyone, and I'm worried 32 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: about out. 33 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: Yet, as we will see. So Mark is shaken by 34 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: what he's seen. He's describing, you know, at a hallway 35 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden becomes these light you know, 36 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: the the white, brightly lit hallways of Lumen. And he 37 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: describes the experience of seeing his wife and he wants 38 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: to know, like, you know, why is she saying the 39 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: seemingly random like facts about Audis why does Luman want her? 40 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: What's going on? Ragabi is like, well, clearly she is 41 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: vital somehow to whatever they're doing. And she says and 42 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: system Mark that listen when reintegration, when it's and it's 43 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: happening now you know, once the process is finished, you 44 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: and your wife will be able to be together. How 45 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: exactly that leap makes sense is not laid out by Regabi, 46 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: but like Mark is clearly buying into it. 47 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: And that definitely makes me feel like she has an 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: ulteriu motive. Yeah, there's something Reintroduitte because she's something she's 49 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: deeply trying to commence. Mark, like, you need this, You'll 50 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: be back with your wife, Everything will be okay. But 51 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 2: as we see throughout this episode, that actual reality of 52 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: an AUTI having older memories of that any and themselves. 53 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: It feels and also, yeah, I'm gonna ask you about 54 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: more about this as we as we get to the conversation. 55 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, very strange. 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I think, just to kind of precursor my thoughts, I 57 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: do feel like post asseverance procedure, there's only one outcome 58 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Either you're Audi destroys your Inny or 59 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: your Any destroys your Audi. You can't be both, No 60 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: one has to One has to be the person and 61 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: the other person has to go whatever that is. Back 62 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: at Luman, Dylan is telling Mark and Helly about the 63 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: map he found. He's clearly very scared. He's like, I 64 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: don't know why I put it back, but I'm scared 65 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: by this. Helly is really excited because she feels like 66 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: getting somewhere in this, in this investigation we're undergoing. Mark 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: is a little excited as well. Dylan just gets scared. 68 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: He just like walks away. Yea, his privileges to be 69 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: fucking his Audi's wife will not fun, but you know, 70 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: like having an emotion. 71 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: I mean it is his wife, but it's not his wife. 72 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Mark looks in the fridge and suddenly the walls 73 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: of the of Severance, the Glasgow block is like is 74 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: just fading away because he's seeing he opens the work fridge, 75 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: but he's seeing Mark fridge, Audi Marx fridge, and we're 76 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: getting these like quick cuts between Any and Audi world 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: and suddenly he's in Mark's kitchen. Miltchik is having a 78 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: meeting with miss Wang and it's very tense. We saw 79 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: in the previous episode that there is a little there's 80 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: a power struggle clearly going on, and now it is 81 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: kind of out in the open. Miltchik makes it clear 82 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: that post his little meeting with mister Drummond that he 83 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: understands that strikes on his record came from miss Wang, 84 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: and he lets her know, listen, your career track is 85 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: contingent on my approval, Like I can decide anytime that 86 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: you're not cutting it here and you will not proceed 87 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: to the next level, which I forget what he called it, 88 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: like winter Soldier. I want to say Winter Soldier, but 89 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: it's not Winter Soldier. I'll look at it. 90 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that kind of situation. But also I have 91 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: to say, how unbelievable is this act that he can 92 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: absolutely act just fully against this child like it, but 93 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: it feels like it's. 94 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: The most It's a stressful. 95 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: Meeting in the world, and you are not taken out 96 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: of it by the fact that miss Wyang is the 97 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: child Winter Tide. 98 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: Wintertide, thank you. So he lets her know, Listen, I 99 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: get it. You want my job, but you can't even 100 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: progress to out of Wintertide. Whatever this project title means 101 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: without me saying that you're doing a good job here, 102 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: that means cut out all the other shit, stop trying 103 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: to undermine me, et cetera. Now here's a little something, 104 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: because I just took you to the woodshed. But here's 105 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: a little something I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna leave you 106 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: in charge of the floor, but you can't sit at 107 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: my desk. You can't be in my off go to 108 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: the desk, and clearly the look on Miltchik's face when 109 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: she leaves is I'm gonna have to keep an eye 110 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: on her. That's what he's thinking. Mark and Helly are 111 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, conspiring in a stall, and she thinks 112 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: correctly that management is continuing to try to divide them, 113 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: which must mean they're getting somewhere. Mark then is like, listen, 114 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: I have something to tell you. I had sex with 115 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: your audi Helena, thinking clearly that it was you at 116 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: the orbo. And Helly is like, oh my god. They 117 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: really are trying to divide us. This is like another 118 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: tactic from them. But I can't talk about this right now. 119 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: I need to walk the halls and just like process, 120 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: this is like too much for me to talk about. 121 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Milchik meanwhile, goes to like a storeroom somewhere and he 122 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: is he grabs a jar of paper clips, and you know, 123 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: with his review in mind, and the second point on 124 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: the review, the criticism of him that he didn't put 125 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: the paper clips on the correct way. He now very 126 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: diligent applies the paper clips to his reports in the 127 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: correct way. Elsewhere, Dylan is again meeting with Gretchen, his 128 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: Audi's wife. She is telling him more about Audi Dylan 129 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: and what he's like in it, and we get we 130 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: get the feeling, as we got from the previous interactions 131 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: that Audi Dylan is kind of a flake, kind of directionless, 132 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: whatever the situation is with their relationship. She fell in 133 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: love with a person that she clearly feels is more 134 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: like any Dylan and less like her husband. 135 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: Also as well, like any Dylan fascinating. Any Dylan has 136 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: this just absolute kind of Oh, he's in awe of 137 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 2: her and just think she's so great because he's been 138 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: great and any for so long. So there's also a 139 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: passion and appreciation that that it doesn't feel like Auti 140 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: Dylan is giving Gretchen. 141 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gretchen is like, sometimes I want to ask your Audi, 142 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: like is he happy? Like, because I feel like he's 143 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: not happy, And Any Dylan is just like, how could 144 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: he not be happy with you? 145 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 2: You're so great? 146 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: You must be like just so good all the time. 147 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: And she's like, well, you know, like we're together now, 148 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, but it's not the same because 149 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: it's not he has you for real, like in the 150 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: outside world. And then he's like, you know, forget all this, 151 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: can we just like hug again? So they hug and 152 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: then they kiss. So I definitely an emotional affair going on, 153 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: and you need to feel this is exactly what Miltchick 154 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: and the board want exactly, so Drummond want. This is 155 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: what Miss Miltchick wanted, This is what Loom wants. 156 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: There's no other reason they would be letting him out. 157 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: They're trying to fuck up his ship. 158 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: They're trying to fuck up his ship, trying to keep 159 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: him away from keep him occupied unless it Mark's here. Well, 160 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: all this is going on, Mark's at his desk and 161 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: he's thinking about Helly and the art bow and all 162 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: this stuff, And meanwhile Helly is walking around. She's thinking 163 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: about Mark. He goes so look for her. They run 164 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: into each other and she tells him like, listen, Okay, 165 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: you thought it was me, which means you have feelings 166 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: for me, And Okay, I'm troubled by this, but like 167 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: I get that you're not to blame in this situation 168 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: and I want my own memories of you. And so 169 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: this is Mark's the luckiest week of Marks really because 170 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: he's just like getting it left and right. He's like, Okay, 171 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: the Abel twin. 172 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: Imagine to me, you had twist my army. 173 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: Now I guess I'm. 174 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: Gonna have to have sex. 175 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Too, like you guys, we're gonna have to do it twice. 176 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, twist my arm if you insist, let's go. 177 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: They go to an unused office and it's this weird 178 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: mirror in inside lumin mirror image of the Orbo because 179 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: they're under these these plastic covered workspaces that like mirror 180 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: the tent experience. And they get down to business and 181 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: again Mark is, this is maybe not exactly what milk 182 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: chick on the board we're thinking. When it's. 183 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: Also I'm like, I love the wrinkle that Helly creates, 184 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: Like it's it's really funny because they wanted the big 185 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: reveal of season one is like, oh, she's Helena, you know, 186 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: Helene essentially like runs the company like but really they 187 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: make you feel like, well, you guys fucked up because 188 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: Helly is a real one and she's crazy like you, 189 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: and and it's so much fun to watch her trying 190 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 2: her best to uncover the truth of what's going on, 191 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: even in the face of this like horrific realization about herself. 192 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: And I'm glad her and Anie Mark are back in 193 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: the good books. 194 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: It's nice. It's nice even though clearly Helly is unbeknownst 195 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: to her a spy in some way exactly. 196 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: And also Helena is is OUTI Helena is making big 197 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: moves this episode, so. 198 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: Like we as we will see yeah, when we find 199 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: ourselves back with Miltchick. He's clipped so many reports, is 200 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: like hands are shaking. He then goes to a mirror 201 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: that's hidden behind like some folders on a shelf, and 202 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: he now addresses the first point, the first criticism in 203 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: his review, that is, he uses too many big words. 204 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: So he says to himself, you know, he starts in 205 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: a place like telling himself, addressing the criticism by saying, 206 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 1: you must put aside childish things. And then that evolves 207 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: as he addresses his criticism too. You must grow up. 208 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: You must grow up, You must grow, you must grow, 209 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: you must grow. He eventually tells himself very seriously and 210 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: very intensely. And I know Miltchik is not severed traditionally, 211 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: but you do wonder if it left me wondering, like 212 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: if there isn't a different version of severance that is 213 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: like not location specific, it's time specific. 214 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Like, yes, I think the big question in this after 215 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: this episode is how does time walk in Lumen? And yeah, 216 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: like the manipulate time. Did he begin as a child 217 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: like miss wise? Right? 218 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: Is he severed for like a three month period or 219 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: a three year period? You know, like is something we'll 220 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: talk about this more, but like we we get from 221 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: the Burt Irving Fields dinner the idea that maybe there 222 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: is a rehabilitation aspect to severance, and so like is 223 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: there something where someone could decide I'm going to get 224 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: severed for three years, I'm not gonna remember any of it, 225 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: and when I come out of it, I'm gonna be 226 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: like set for yeah. 227 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: Like a different for a period of my money or whatever. Yeah. 228 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. And also because I get the feeling from I 229 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: get the feeling from Milk Chick that like he's under 230 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: a gun deadline wise, and it's not Lumin putting that 231 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: pressure on him, like he is feeling like I need 232 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: to make the most of this time. That's the feeling 233 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I get. Yeah, I don't know. Let's continue. Helly and 234 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: Mark are basically in love now they come out of 235 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: It's wonderful. It's very cute to see them post intercourse 236 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: and they are in love with each other because they 237 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: are just lovey w lovey dove. Helly realizes she's like, oh, 238 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: they kiss, and she's like, oh, my nose is bleeding. No, 239 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: your nose is bleeding. The clearly reintegration Regabi's backgroom reintegration 240 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: process is like failing on some level. They go see 241 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: miss Wang, who is you know, as the manager of 242 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: the floor I guess is also like the school nurse, 243 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: and as you would expect, she's very curious about this newsbleach. 244 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: She it's like, okay, well the humidity is okay in 245 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,359 Speaker 1: the office, like because. 246 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: She also probably has some awareness of integration dude, like 247 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: yeah exists. So yeah that definitely asking him like what's 248 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: going on with you? Like are you still sabbath? 249 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: They're also probably you know that I would assume any 250 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: like headaches or anything that happens like inside lumen. They're like, oh, 251 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: the chip, like what's going on? 252 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's a great point too. 253 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's asking like, have you been hallucinating seeing 254 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: auras and of course he has been having both, and 255 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: but he lies about it. And then right then it happens. 256 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: Right then the audi world breaks through and he is 257 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: with Ragabi in his garage and she's kind of hooked 258 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: up to all this hardware and she's like, wait a second, 259 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: where you're just like a llumin right now? And he's 260 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: like yeah, and she's like, okay, well what was happening? 261 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: Like what do you remember? Do you remember Hallway? Do 262 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: you remember an elevator? And he's like, I remember, I 263 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: can't remember any fuck and he can't and he's and 264 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: he's coughing, coughing, and we don't know how he got 265 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: out of that, Like we don't know what the outcome 266 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: of that miss Wang situation is. But like the worlds 267 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: are colliding in a really fascinating way and it slips 268 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: away from him. Regabby is like, it's happening, but it 269 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: needs to happen faster. Why does it need to happen faster? 270 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand that, which leads me to believe that 271 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: you're right, Regabby. Whatever, there's her own agenda and there's 272 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: a deadline to that and she's she downplays the risks 273 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: of like quote unquote speeding it up by saying, oh, yeah, 274 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: there is a risk of hemorrhage, but like we could 275 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: do it, like we could like flood the chip whatever 276 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: that is. And Mark is like, no, I'm no. 277 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: And also he's like I love au E mok. When 278 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: he gets like really in like a tizzy and he's 279 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: being like a dick to everyone and he's just like, 280 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: I'm not doing It's. 281 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: Like I'm not sorry, I'm not get doing. 282 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I love this for you, Adam Scott, 283 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: like you never get to play somebody in a tizzy. 284 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: And we'll be back at work in Lumen after a 285 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors and we're back. What was that? 286 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: No? What was that? What was that? 287 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: Irving goes to dinner at the home of bud Bird 288 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: and fields. It is charged. There is energy you could 289 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: cut is an energy. It's a little bit like bringing 290 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: your side piece, trying dinner with your when you're like 291 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: long time part like and there is that kind of 292 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: energy in the air. But there's also clearly like h 293 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: and some kind of an attraction between the Audi Birtnaudy 294 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: Bird and Audi Irving Irving apologizes for, you know, coming 295 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: to the house previously and causing a ruckus and screaming 296 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: Bert's name. Phil says, nonsense, and then he says, very cuttingly, 297 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: it seems like what's mine is yours and that's like 298 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: whoa okay, okay, over dinner we get a huge I 299 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: think a huge. 300 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: This is a massive kind of philosophical I think this 301 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: is a huge detail. Wrinkle, Yeah. 302 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Bert says that he came to Lumen because of 303 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: his relationship with Jesus Christ. He apparently was, in his words, 304 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: a rascal of his life. Does that mean a scoundrel? 305 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: Excuse me? Does that mean criminal? Does that mean sinner? 306 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: What does that mean? We don't know. But he heard 307 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: a sermon in which the priest said that the Church 308 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: considers the innis and innis and outies to be completely separate, 309 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: fully formed people with souls. Therefore, an any could go 310 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: to heaven while the audi goes to hell. Why appealed 311 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: to them, because again Bert being a scoundrel, he was concerned, 312 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: not even concerned. He was completely sure that he was 313 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: not going to go to heaven, so he would not 314 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: be able to spend eternity with Burt in this way 315 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: with Fields, and this way an aspect of Bert they 316 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: believe would be able to spend eternity with it. Fields 317 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: his partner, this is. 318 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: This is crazy. So this is why I think Severance 319 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: has done so well. And I was kind of awe 320 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: struck by this and it was definitely giving me like 321 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: Leftover's vibes. They take what seems to be a very 322 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: simple concept, what if when you're at work you didn't 323 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: your real life and when you're at home you didn't 324 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: remember your work life. But over these one and a 325 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: half seasons, they've extrapolated it to the point where they 326 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: actually are asking really interest huge question, very huge questions 327 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: of like oh okay, well what does that really mean? 328 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: And how do you behave at work and how would 329 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: that interact with your life, to the point where they're 330 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: now doing world building about how, you know, global religions 331 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: perceive this specific way of living your life of working. 332 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: I think it's so interesting and I also this they're saying, 333 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: like innies have their own souls, you know, so it 334 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: becomes its own larger conversation and very interesting too, because 335 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: the church sees the innis is having souls, but most 336 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 2: other people and organizations don't even seem to think that 337 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: they're worth having any agency. 338 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: Well that. 339 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: Is you. 340 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: I almost feel as if because we've seemed you're right 341 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: the disdain that Helena Egan and others look at Any's with, 342 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: including miss Wang, that they're less than real people, and 343 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: you almost feel like God, was this sermon pr some 344 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: sort of is it right? 345 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: Is it? 346 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: What is it? In response to that's the interesting thing 347 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: to me? And it and it for the first well 348 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: not the first time, but in the most overt way, 349 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: brings up the idea that severance could be part of 350 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: a rehabilitation process, some way to rehabilitate people, to make 351 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: them to make pe to to allow people who like 352 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: Bert were maybe not living the most upright, straightforward lives 353 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: to make yeah, to make them to get something useful 354 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: out of their time. This is really fascinating and it 355 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: makes you wonder, like what else severance is used. 356 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: For and in what I think that you touch on 357 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: something really interesting here too, because we will soon learn 358 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: something else at the dinner. Yes, that that makes that 359 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: I think adds to your theory here. And I actually 360 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: came away from this episode wondering, you know, the hopeful 361 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: idea of it is rehabilitation, but the other side of 362 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: it is like, is severance essentially like an alternate alternate 363 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: to prison? Like is it? 364 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: I think it might be a different type of prison exactly. 365 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: And then we start to talk about, well, when you're 366 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: in Severance, how much time are you actually in there 367 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: spending working? Because it does seem from this episode that 368 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: innies and out he's experienced time differently. But we're going 369 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: to get to that in a minute. 370 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: So meanwhile, while all this is happening, mister Drummond uh 371 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: is breaking into expect has like a huge bring of keys, 372 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: let my man live, breaking into Irving's house. We have 373 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: to note, of course that mister Drummond has the tattoo 374 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: Frolic on his hand. This is one of the according 375 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: to the Egan Lumen ideology, right, the four tempers, there 376 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: is frolic, malice, woe, and dread and one wonders where 377 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: the others are. But like, so this is interesting anyway, 378 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: Audi Dylan, Meanwhile, I guess the same evening is having 379 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: dinner with Gretchen and the kids. And we see again 380 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: this kind of like very disconnected relationship that Gretchen and 381 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: Audi Dylan have and we learned that Gretchen is straight 382 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: up lying to about what she's doing. This isn't it now? 383 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: It's an a well, I think because I think otherwise, 384 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 2: like the any Auti all becomes very complex and well. 385 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: You can understand how in some ways, if somebody behaves well, 386 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: you could reward them by going to see their Auti 387 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: family because technically it's their family. But as soon as 388 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: she lies to him and says, I'm not going like 389 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: I'm not going to loomin, I'm obvious, and she's like 390 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: obviously now hiding the fact that she's like got feelings 391 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: for any Dylan is very interesting. And again, I think 392 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: this is a really intriguing episode because it is essentially 393 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: centered around all these kind of twisted romantic relationships that 394 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: the Severance program has kind of sparked. Whether it's IRV 395 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: and Butt and Fields now, whether it's Helena and Helly 396 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: and Mark, or whether it's any Auti Dylan and Gretchen. 397 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: So it's really interesting. 398 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: Mark is having dinner alone at a Chinese spot and 399 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: he is eating like a total just get asked for 400 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: a fork, No, he's he's lost, Okay, So being straight 401 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: like with the chops of slurping directly off the off 402 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: the plate, and it's like, just it's fine, you can 403 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: just go ask for. 404 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: Is the reason that he is eating like a total freak? 405 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: This was immediately when they they he's this scene with 406 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: the tray line. I've been thinking about it a lot. 407 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: Is it is he eating like that because in that 408 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: moment it is his any and he hasn't gotten to 409 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: eat like food like that. Is this a reiggration thing 410 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: or is it just Mark being like he's losing it? 411 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: I think Mark is just I think Mark has been. 412 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: I think both Marks are so they both have very interestingly, 413 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: very intense like missions that they are on, and I 414 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: think both Marks are ignoring eating as one does when 415 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: one is obsessed with something. 416 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 2: I like that, And. 417 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: So he's eating like a total freaking Guess who sits 418 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: down a couple of table is the way it's Helena Egan, 419 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: She's crazy, comes over, believe this, with the look in 420 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: her eye like I know a secret that you don't know, 421 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: which is my fun. You're idy and I know a 422 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: lot about you. And so she comes over and it's 423 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: very flirty yeah from her, in. 424 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: A weird Definitely. I love the way you pose it 425 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: in your recap. You literally wrote the words like she's 426 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: acting like the cat that ate the Canary. Yeah, like 427 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: she is full on so happy and smug and it's 428 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 2: power play. Yeah, that big power play. And also like 429 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: there is Mark's energy even though he is not, you know, 430 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: outwardly flirting with her, there is like a weird like 431 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: hate fucking energy between them, Like yeah, he he is. 432 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: There's something there that is interesting him about her and 433 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: he's kind of wondering why is she there and the 434 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: attraction is there now? But she also reveals something that 435 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: kind of touching on what we said earlier. The next 436 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: thing she says to him where she's kind of like, hey, 437 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry about the era that happened with the OTC. 438 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: And then she says from the other evening, which means 439 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: that to the outis the OTC happened a few days ago, 440 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: But to the innies they say it was six months ago. 441 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: So now is time translating? Does that mean that if 442 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: you are an inny a day in severance like for 443 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: twenty four hours for an OUTI actually feels like a 444 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: month for you, two months for you, and they're getting 445 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: more work out of you more exploitation. I'm very interested 446 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 2: in the inny Auti timing of it all because I 447 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: think that Burt and Ibes and Field also touch on 448 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: something that could. 449 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: We're going to get to that very touch on that too. 450 00:27:54,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: So Yeah, she apologizes for the overtime contingency thing, which 451 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: was when Lumen, because of an emergency situation quote unquote, 452 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: needed to activate any Mark outside of Lumen from this 453 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: was earlier in the season, and she's like, you know, 454 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: it must have been so traumatic for you to know 455 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: what was going on, and this on top of losing 456 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: your wife, and he she purposefully mispronounces Mark's wife's name 457 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: as Harry Hanner and he corrects her Gemma, and then 458 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: he begins coughing, and he's like, I gotta go, and 459 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: he does. There is a vibe from him like I 460 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: recognize you somehow, some other way, which Helena is clearly 461 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: looking for. She's looking for that. Do you are you 462 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: responding to me on an emotional level beyond what you Yeah, 463 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: beyond what Audie. Mark is aware of and what he knows. 464 00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: He raises home this has spurred something in him, and 465 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: we see when he gets home he's very eager to 466 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: agree to Regabi's proposal mister Drummond. Meanwhile, again one of 467 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: the four tempers Find Stuff Finding finds interesting stuff in 468 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: Irvin's home, including a what appears to be a very 469 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: comprehensive list of severed employees and dates next to the 470 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: names and places, saying were they severed here? Were they 471 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: severed on this date? Very interesting notes in the margins. 472 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure people, you know, I know that people are 473 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: pouring through this, and I'm sure that we're gonna be 474 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: referencing this document later later on this season, Back at 475 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: the Weird Dinner, Bird explains the meaning of their nickname 476 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: Attila for each other. It means that, you know, they 477 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: used to call each other Hunhun this, Han Han, Han that, 478 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: and then it eventually evolved into Attila like Attila the 479 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: hun unbelievable, like famous Barbarian who who who brought down 480 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: the who brought down Rome? 481 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so just like an unbelievably good bit of 482 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: writing from the team here, because that's such a specific 483 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: but it feels very lived in feeling, it's very very 484 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: lived in this kind of idea that you guys could 485 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: create this but obviously, seeing as it's also the title 486 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: of the episode, we can probably assume that the Zach 487 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: story has more to it and is going to be yeah, 488 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: going to be important. 489 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: Attila the Hunt, by the way, was a central figure 490 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: in conquering a lot of Europe and was there doing 491 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: stuff when the Roman Empire finally and irrevocably fell. So 492 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: it's this feels like an important reference to your point. Now, 493 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: Bert explained extremely feels explains that, oh, yeah, this happened 494 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Oh, this this moment when we yeah, 495 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: when we when this exchange happened, and when we came 496 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: up with this nickname. Irving quickly puts the timeline together 497 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: and the first Severed office officially opened twelve years ago. 498 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: So that's interesting. That's before. How does that work? Bert 499 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: quickly moves on to another let's. 500 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: Move on to twelve years. Yeah, we just get mixed, 501 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 2: see the timing. Yeah. 502 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: Fields meanwhile wants to know cut and cutting straight to 503 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: the heart of it. Do you think Bert and Irving 504 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: ever sucked it work? 505 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? He's like, what do you think? 506 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: What do you think? And he feels like he has 507 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: the right to ask, and I actually think that he 508 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: kind of he probably because. 509 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: He also poses it. I think this says a lot 510 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: about Fields. He's like, you guys might have had unprotected sex, 511 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: and he's like, and I need to know if that happened, Like, 512 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: and he's the wrong that's but he also that's a concern. 513 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: But he also follows it up with what I think. 514 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued by this character of Fields because he 515 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: also follows it up and he's like, I believe that 516 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: innis deserve to experience love. So so whatever you guys 517 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: experienced was magical and you deserved it, and I'm not 518 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: mad about it. And I was like, WHOA, Okay, that's 519 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: very empathetic. But I also can't get I can't get 520 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: a grip on this Field's butt situation. I don't know 521 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: if it's true or if they're using it to try 522 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: and manipulate Irving because they're worried about what he knows. 523 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: Well bert Well Field saying that that he believes that 524 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: he's deserved love to experience love, tells us that that 525 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: is a debate in this world exactly the personhood, the 526 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: level of personhood, and the kinds of experiences where they 527 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: should have enriching experiences are not when they are severed. 528 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: It's very interesting. So yeah, Field is essentially saying, listen, 529 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm not upset about it, but I do want to know, 530 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: like if I think in sex back at Home, Mark 531 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: tells Regabi, Okay, let's flow the chip. Let's see it, right, 532 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: which is like, yeah, it is. We watch it happen. 533 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: It's super gross. We look at the hole in his 534 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: head shelves red body horror. 535 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: For severance, we don't often get a lot of this. 536 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: It's like a big hole. 537 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: It's a big hole about the size of like a drill, 538 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: like the hole you would drill into a wall. 539 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: I run, I'm that's what I'm also wondering about the 540 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: severance process, and now that you've mentioned it, being like, 541 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: is it rehab? Is it like we're talking about, is 542 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: it prison? The hole was like so big. I was like, 543 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 2: this is not. This doesn't look like it was well done. 544 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: Like it's not the like keyhole brain surgery that they 545 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: do nowadays, where they can put like a you know, 546 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: a stent made of titanium in your brain. They could 547 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: have done that with the chip, but in this world, 548 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: they just drill a fucking hole in the back of 549 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: your head and shove that chip inside. Like that makes 550 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: me think it's not necessarily for for inverted commas normal 551 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: like Laura abiding citizens. 552 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: Right, this is a very very invasive procedure. And also 553 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: we're just letting Regatti do this, like it's clucking crazy 554 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: to watch it happen, Like what are you doing? 555 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: She is also just like injecting stuff directly into his brain, 556 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: which I just think it's just liquid vision. 557 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: And I guess the idea is you're you're this flooding 558 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: the chip means you are surrounding the chip with liquid 559 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: that will stop it from broadcasting whatever severance signal is 560 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: being used, and therefore remove the Glasgow block so it 561 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: starts happening right away, like the walls start breaking down. 562 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: Marcus having a really really bad time immediately, Like it 563 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: is clearly incredibly uncomfortable and disorienting and maybe even like 564 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: pretty painful. You know, he is seeing recent events such 565 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: as his Inny having sex with Helene with Helly in 566 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: the office, and that is intercut with it him seeing 567 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: his wife. 568 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, like Gemma is there, and it's like it definitely 569 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: feels even though it's not going, it doesn't feel like 570 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 2: it's going particularly well, it does feel like reintegration may 571 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 2: actually have worked. The Mark this time from what we're. 572 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: Seeing, it's it's who knows stuff is happening. He when 573 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: he sees his wife, he jerks back from the apparatus 574 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: and Recody's like, you can't move your head that fast, 575 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: like you don't do that, And well you should have 576 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: said that, by the way, before we started this. 577 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: Oh you could have just like you know, strapped his 578 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: head to this. 579 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, why is his head strapped down? Like why is 580 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: it just like free? Anyway, She's not a good doctor. 581 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say this. 582 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: There's a knock at the door and where God is 583 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: like ignore it, which is like, yeah, ignore it. And again, 584 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: more stuff that we should have talked about before we 585 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: started this process, like we can't be interrupted, like it 586 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: should have been a big talk. Anyway, Mark's like I 587 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: gotta go say so he goes and it's his sister Devin, 588 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: and like crazy, foolishly, Mark lets her in and he's 589 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: trying to act normal. She's like, well, listen, you know, 590 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: we're doing this whole corporate espionage thing and I'm like 591 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: very fired up about it. And he's like, just like, 592 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: forget the corporate espionage mission. I've got something else going 593 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: on on my own on the side and I can't 594 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: tell you about it, And for the first time she 595 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,959 Speaker 1: looks at him and she's realizing, like, you look like shit, 596 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? And the continuing bad symptoms 597 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: for reintegration are happening, and he collapses hemorrhaging clearly like 598 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: foam coming in his mouth, hits his head on the floor, 599 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: which can't be good. Regattaga emerges from the garage and 600 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: is like, don't touch him, and Devin like, who the 601 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: fucker you? Yeah, And if not for plot Armor, I'd 602 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 1: be like fuck Marks might die like yeah, And by 603 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: the way, let me just say this also, I would 604 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: have the highest respect for Severance. If they actually killed 605 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: Mark me, I would be like, big balls, Wow, I 606 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: respect this show. 607 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 2: I would be so interested in what that would look like, 608 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 2: especially with the notion of heaven and hell they grow 609 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 2: up in this episode. Does any Marks still exist within 610 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: the world of Severance. Then we would kind of know 611 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: a lot more about what the space really is and 612 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: whether it's like a physical space or all. Yeah, I'm 613 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 2: very interested. I agree with you, pla ama. But if 614 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 2: they really. 615 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: Did kill this, if they did it, they kill. 616 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 2: Them, that would be unbelievable. 617 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean it would be like a Ned Stark dying 618 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: level move, which we know South Game turns to become 619 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: one of the most set up. Yeah, so who knows. 620 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: Like I would just I would respect it. I would 621 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: think it was an respect an insanely dangerous move, but 622 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I would really respect. 623 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 2: There's also so many brilliant characters at this point that 624 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 2: I love Adam Scott. I think Mark is a great character. 625 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: I'd love this stuff with Mark and Helena. But if 626 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: they did want to go that route, they have set 627 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 2: up enough interesting people to take on the rest completely obseverance. 628 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: Bert sees Irving out of his home and immediately tries 629 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: to do damage control over fields his twenty years remark. 630 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no, no, He's yeah, he got it. 631 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: He got his dates mixed up, and that can't be because, 632 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: of course we all understand that severance didn't exist then, 633 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: so we kind of that interaction could not have happened. 634 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: Then does Audy Irving by it? I get the sense 635 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: that he does not fully buy it. 636 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 2: I don't think so either. I think that as much 637 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 2: as I think as much as but is trying to 638 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 2: kind of smooth things over, I think Irving is also 639 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 2: trying to smooth over the fact that he now has 640 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 2: heard something. 641 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: Clue, Yeah, he heard something important. 642 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has like his Fields was a little 643 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: bit drunk, like he was a little bit loose. Lips 644 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: sink ships. And I think Irving and But are both 645 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 2: now in this interaction kind of trying to make each 646 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 2: other like, no, we didn't you know, we didn't do anything. 647 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: Everything's good. We're still flirtatious, like, but obviously I think 648 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 2: they both are now worried about what the other one knows. 649 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: There's that interesting you mentioned it. They can They flirt 650 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: pretty heavily at the door. Irving is like, we should 651 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: have dinner again, and Bert is like, you mean with 652 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: Fields or without? And he's like, oh yeah, with Fields 653 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: that'd be great. But you know, like in any kind 654 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: of way, yeah, you know, Irving says, and Bert is like, 655 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: oh okay, and I love this because it works on 656 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: There's several different layers of things going on here. One, yeah, 657 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: maybe there is an attraction Audi Bert Audi Irving continuing 658 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: the chemistry they had inside that would make a lot 659 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: of sense, and there is that energy. But also Irving, 660 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: we know, has his own investigation going on. He's been 661 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: conversing with someone mystery personal and I feel like to 662 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 1: our previous conversation, Oh that twenty year remark was interesting. 663 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: There's more here than meets the eye. This couple, and 664 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: Bert specifically has maybe been involved with Lumen and Severance 665 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: for much much longer than people know then the public 666 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: timeline of Severance would suggest. And so maybe there's more 667 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: here and Bert. The look that Bert has when Irving 668 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: walks away is like, oh, maybe we might have to 669 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: watch this guy. Yeah, suspicious a little bit. 670 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 2: That's it now is kind of like, Okay, I'm suspicious 671 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 2: and that is episode six. So let's tap in super 672 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 2: producer Joel Monique and we'll do some talking about theories 673 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 2: where we think the show is going to go in 674 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 2: the last four episodes. 675 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: Right after this break and we're back. What was that? 676 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: What was that? 677 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 2: We know, we were just talking. I'm just blacked out 678 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 2: and then I'm backed out, but we're still a conscience. Yeah, 679 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: I love Joell. 680 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 3: What Yeah? 681 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: What what are the what are the headlines for you 682 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: after this episode to talk about? 683 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 3: Okay, first I want to tap into this time situation. 684 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 3: They do something You're so interesting in this episode where 685 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 3: you guys touched on it brief. But when Mark gets 686 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 3: his chip flooded, at first we sort of think we're 687 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 3: in time with him, and then we jump out. 688 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: There, actually, wait, this is the pre flood you mean, 689 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: why when he's just like hooked up to the stuff 690 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: and Ragobby And by the way, that looks like it 691 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: might have been the first procedure, the initial integration procedure, 692 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: not which happened you know, two episodes so three episodes 693 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: ago now, So like it looks you're right, the times 694 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: are all mixed up. I also kind of felt like 695 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: episodes one and two and even three suggested that we're 696 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: watching stuff out of order anyway, continue, sorry to break 697 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: your chain of thought. 698 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's that's perfect. That's exactly what I'm 699 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 3: trying to lean into, is like, and especially if we 700 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 3: think about season one, right, we're constantly getting Mark going 701 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 3: to work and coming back. And I think Severance has, 702 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 3: to Jason's point at the top about like, listen, both 703 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 3: can't survive. 704 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 2: Have to be one who can. 705 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if it's not a Lumine thing, if 706 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 3: it's just a Severance thing, that's hard time, like what. 707 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 2: I mean, like lumin didn't intentionally make it that way. 708 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 2: That's just a side effect of severance is experiencing time differently. 709 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 2: I think that makes a lot of sense because also 710 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 2: when Mark was having all those memories, I felt like 711 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 2: his brain couldn't comprehend having the Innian out He's experience 712 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 2: at the same time because they experienced time so differently. 713 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 2: So what you can't be in the moment that the 714 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: Innie is experiencing if for them a minute is two hours, 715 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 2: because you're experiencing way too much. So I'm very interested 716 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 2: to see where that goes. I also want to bring 717 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 2: up something, Joelle, that you said pre production, which is 718 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 2: it is Helena slash Helly pregnant Joelle, who is the 719 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 2: baby baby? Who's the baby's mom in that case? Go 720 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 2: for it, Joel, because this is crazy. 721 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 3: I have too many theories that I can't really like. 722 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 3: This show leaves you in such a nebulous space that 723 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 3: I feel uncomfortable planting steaks in theories. But I have 724 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 3: a feeling that perhaps we're getting a lot of Jesus 725 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 3: analogies right. We technically could have had a pregnant virgin 726 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 3: if he got pregnant, the if Helly got pregnant when 727 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 3: Helena was having sex with any Mark, then technically we 728 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 3: have a pregnant virgin. 729 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 2: And oh, that's such a good point because. 730 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 3: We had a baby keeping pregnant. 731 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 2: But she hadn't have had sex at that point. Wow. 732 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 3: And in the opening credits, you know, which we know, 733 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 3: they give the artist that designs those opening credits the 734 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 3: show basically so he knows what's in the show. 735 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 2: And then we did get weird baby oving at the 736 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 2: beginning of this episode, and that was very creepy. Also, 737 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 2: I think there's something very interesting about that potential with 738 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,479 Speaker 2: the idea that Miss Swang could be Mark's child, could 739 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 2: or could be Gemma's child not with Mark. Also, Okay, 740 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 2: so I'm going to tell you a wild theory that 741 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 2: I saw in office. See what you guys think about this. 742 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 2: They because this could kind of fit into your This 743 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 2: could kind of fit into your baby situation. You are 744 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 2: in the discord, there was a lot of chat about 745 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 2: a theory where the reason they're all cult Winter Tide, 746 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 2: you know, Cold Harbor, is that they have Walt Disney 747 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: urban legend style. Kia's brain is like frozen somewhere in Yeah, 748 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 2: and then the idea is to find the right person 749 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 2: to put the brain in so he can come back 750 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 2: to life. And so you're severing people to try and 751 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 2: see who would be the most easy to implant his 752 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 2: brain in. Maybe that's why they think Mark is so 753 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 2: good at it, because they're feeling like whatever the work 754 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 2: he's doing, whatever the refining is, looks like that having 755 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 2: a baby that is an egan that they could then put, 756 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 2: you know, the brain into, I think would fit very 757 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 2: much into that specific theory. I love how out there 758 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 2: that one is. It's very much fits in with this 759 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 2: the idea of kind of like American capitalism as we 760 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 2: know it because that Walt Disney myth was like such 761 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 2: a big part of the lore of Disney for so long, 762 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 2: So I think that's really interesting but also extra body 763 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 2: horror ish totally. 764 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 3: And it's been winter the whole time we've been here, 765 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 3: and we're not sure how long we've been here, so 766 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,399 Speaker 3: maybe it's just a normal winter, but maybe it's there 767 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 3: far up north and that it really needs to be cold. 768 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 3: I love the idea of linking it back to well 769 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 3: because that's just hilarious. Also, we have to talk about 770 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 3: Attilla just a little bit, a little bit of a 771 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,720 Speaker 3: tilla yes, there is, And I'm sorry, I'm not a historian. 772 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 3: So maybe one of you knows. Did Attila die of 773 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 3: a nosebleed? 774 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 2: Wow? I would love that, But I'm assuming he died 775 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 2: of a of a horrific in a horrific war. Maybe, 776 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 2: but let's let's double check. 777 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 3: He was reading earlier while you guys are researching. Was 778 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 3: that until he died in his bed on his wedding 779 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 3: night of a nosebleed? 780 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: Wow? 781 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 3: So we have a nosebleed in this episode. 782 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot from you guys, and I always 783 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 2: love that too. That's there's no way that's a coincidence, 784 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 2: right specific, That's we're. 785 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 3: Talking about weddings and relationships and people together. There's sort 786 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 3: of a betrayal some people think until his wife killed 787 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 3: him again. I am deeply out of my comfort zone 788 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 3: history wise, so feel free to correct me, folks. But 789 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 3: this idea of yeah, they I keep coming back to 790 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 3: this episode is like partner betrayal and isolation. We're seeing 791 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 3: so much like genuine like love and affection, but also 792 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 3: from the same people, icy hurtful distances here. And when 793 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 3: I link that to Milcheck and his scene and his 794 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 3: deep isolation, I don't know if did you guys notice 795 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 3: that they had a fake mil Chick in the foreground 796 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 3: and it's like a the mirror is just a window. 797 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 3: The actor that plays Milchick is facing the camera, so 798 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 3: you're not looking at his reflection, and the actor is 799 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 3: looking directly. 800 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: At the terminator. The terminator to that part. 801 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 2: I love that. 802 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,359 Speaker 3: That part, and I think for me, there's something so 803 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 3: disturbing because there isn't that sheen of glass in front 804 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,280 Speaker 3: of him. You get it almost as like he's performing 805 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 3: this to the camera and it's so deeply isolating and lonely. 806 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 3: He's got that. I know it's spinning off a little bit, 807 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 3: but he'sid this iceberg above his desk, and I was 808 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 3: just kind of moved by the way. So far, in 809 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 3: difference we've spent a lot of time with this is 810 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 3: a group of people who've become like family, who have 811 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,760 Speaker 3: decided to work together. We've seen them dashed apart throughout 812 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 3: this season so far, and to comment sort of the 813 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 3: center apex because I think the four episodes left for 814 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 3: six in so we're about in the middle. To not 815 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 3: only have them spread apart, but to have them having 816 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,919 Speaker 3: to go through their journeys and isolated spaces is really 817 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 3: interesting to me, and I wonder if it's part of 818 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 3: Luman's plan to as far as like, we haven't seen 819 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 3: them doing a lot of numbers yet. I wonder if 820 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 3: that part's over and if we move past it is 821 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 3: like numbers, then we need to get like a psychological 822 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 3: kind of trigger, and in order to do that, you 823 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 3: can't have that group there. It's all like teases the 824 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 3: face it people. 825 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 2: Also's really interesting to look at how like mill Chick, 826 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 2: the way that they are isolating is like true isolation, 827 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 2: whereas the others that kind of trying to distract them 828 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,240 Speaker 2: with relationships or friendships and trying to kind of spread 829 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 2: them out. But Melchick's is about you are truly alone, 830 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 2: like you don't know your purpose. You're being critique that 831 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 2: every space. I think it's a I'm very interested to 832 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 2: see where Melchicks. 833 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 3: My favorite theory is that they're setting Melchick up to 834 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 3: fail because companies often hire either people of color or 835 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 3: women when are sketchy and they're like, maybe this will 836 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 3: save us, and when it doesn't, they're like, well we 837 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 3: tried it. 838 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:10,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. An escapegoat and a thing that comes out. 839 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: That is interesting. It makes me think of one of 840 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: the things I've been thinking of a lot is Helene's 841 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: relationship to the board. She's clearly on the outside. She 842 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: presents herself to Mark in this episode, I'm basically the 843 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: boss of the company. She's not. She's not calling the 844 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: shots at all. She's not seemingly able to contact her 845 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: dad at all or get a communicated with him in 846 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: any kind of way. There's several barriers between that between 847 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: her and him, and she was not able to say, well, 848 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going back in as as helly, Like she 849 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:55,360 Speaker 1: is being asked to do things seemingly because either she 850 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,840 Speaker 1: needs to prove herself or the sense I kind of 851 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,799 Speaker 1: get is that she is disappointed or fucked up in 852 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: the past and now has to do this in order to. 853 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, some kind of a time company. 854 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 1: And it's all of that. What you said, Joelle really 855 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: makes me think of what everyone's relationship is to the 856 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: company and why they're doing their thing. Like if we know, 857 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 1: we understand that Mark is very important to whatever the 858 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: plan they have at the same time, that would seem 859 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: to suggest that, like, well, why would you set up 860 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,959 Speaker 1: Miltchik to fail? If this is so important, and in fact, 861 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: why would you even put him in charge of this 862 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: project when you kind of don't believe in like his 863 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,240 Speaker 1: methods exact. 864 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 2: So all of this. 865 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: Is like what is happening? Like why do that? And 866 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: the scene with Miltchik looking into the mirror, which we 867 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: now know is not a mirror is also suggests that 868 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: he's putting pressure on himself because he's under a timeline 869 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,919 Speaker 1: of his own that he needs to work, like it's 870 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 1: not just about getting this right, it's about growing personal 871 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: growth whatever that means, Like he needs to use this 872 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 1: time to grow as a person, whatever that means to him. 873 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 2: I think that that's really interesting too, because if we 874 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 2: look at it from the you know, inverted Comma's rehabilitation 875 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 2: stance or the potential like prison aspect of it, the 876 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 2: idea that every you know, Mark just gets he's exploring 877 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,720 Speaker 2: what's going on, and Helene is trying to find the truth. 878 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 2: But all mil Chick, like a black employee, is worried 879 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 2: about is like proving his personal growth and proving that 880 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 2: he has grown enough to move to the next level, 881 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 2: which I think is like, you know, could depending on 882 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,360 Speaker 2: which route they go, could end up being like a 883 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 2: very sad story about. 884 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 3: Like this is personal mirror or specifically and like. 885 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,840 Speaker 2: Who gets who gets to, you know, get an early 886 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 2: leave from prison, who gets to live outside of prison? 887 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,359 Speaker 3: Who gets to well, Like they replace him with a child, right, 888 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 3: and then that child is constantly an aggressor toward him 889 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,799 Speaker 3: and sort of keeping him in line. 890 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of. 891 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 2: To grow as an adult, but they have put a 892 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,719 Speaker 2: child in his place, like you are you don't even 893 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 2: need an adult to do your job. 894 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 3: There's just a level of dehumanization, like you just start 895 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 3: with the your the words you use are too large 896 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,920 Speaker 3: for whom everyone seems to understand, Miltchik. 897 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,720 Speaker 1: That's why I feel like there's there's a turn coming 898 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,839 Speaker 1: where Milchik is going to side with our innies at 899 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: some like praying, I think that's coming. I will say, 900 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, this is also fascinating to think about, and 901 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:46,320 Speaker 1: it makes me wonder more about time, Like I've touched 902 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,840 Speaker 1: on it before, but and I haven't seen comments saying 903 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: specifically that Miltchik is not severed. I don't know if 904 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 1: they've addressed it. And I don't think he's severed in 905 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: a typical kind of way. But one wonders if as 906 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned, like he's not severed for like five years, 907 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,720 Speaker 1: Like he didn't sign a five year severed three. 908 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 2: Month saw something, and he has to get whatever he's 909 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 2: doing done. 910 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, like what so what is that about? Because it 911 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: seems like he is under the gun in some kind 912 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: of way. Any other issues and things you want to 913 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: talk about, Joelle? 914 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 3: Okay, two things very quickly. 915 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was going to say, who's but Joel, that. 916 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 3: Is the question. Let's get into Bert very quickly. Okay. 917 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,960 Speaker 3: So we have this great line, uh from Bird's partner 918 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 3: where it's like, you know, twenty years ago, I remember 919 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 3: it like yesterday, but it's like you're drunk again. Here 920 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 3: we have like potential alcohol problems. Here we have possible 921 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 3: like reintegration. Bert, I really want to talk to you. 922 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 3: So the internet is divided. Some people are not willing 923 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 3: to believe that Bert is a baddie. Some people are like, 924 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 3: what kind of person sinisterly follows you in a car 925 00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 3: a battie? Like the visual guy, he's a baddie. But yeah, 926 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 3: I'm really interested in what the show is saying about 927 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,200 Speaker 3: people who on the outside are interingly cruel and one 928 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,359 Speaker 3: of the inside are giant sweethearts. It's very interesting because 929 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 3: Helena Helly two totally different people. Helena outside has to 930 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 3: be cold, we think for whatever reason, We're not sure, 931 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,960 Speaker 3: but she has her deviances up, she's not fully in control. 932 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 3: But inside she's just like soft, strong leader with a 933 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 3: big heart who's never cruel, as Irving said. And then 934 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 3: you know, I think everyone loved Burt inside. He's just 935 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,839 Speaker 3: a guy who loves art and it was brave enough 936 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,879 Speaker 3: to go into another department. And I think the show 937 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 3: is really leaning into this idea of like what if 938 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 3: you were just sort of allowed to be in a 939 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 3: space and craft and create And we're constantly sort of 940 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 3: affirmed in that way, could you be soft without literally 941 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 3: all of the other pressures in the world. And it's 942 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 3: not contradicting itself, but challenging that with what we're seeing 943 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 3: with the family coming in and so I'm really interesting, 944 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 3: like what says about people? 945 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so that aside, No, I think Bird is a baddie. 946 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, like that clearly they're coordinating with Lumen to 947 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: allow Luman to go into Irving stuff like. 948 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like I I think that I think that 949 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,799 Speaker 2: whatever the reality of bur is inside where he can 950 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 2: just be the person he wants to be. I think 951 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 2: that the outside version of Burt for whatever reason, And 952 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 2: this could be very interesting looking at a kind of 953 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 2: like nature nurture, like what leads people to criminality, what 954 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 2: leads people to badness, what leads you know, as they say, 955 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 2: I'm wicked like? Is wickedness like born? Or is it 956 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 2: thrust upon us? And I wonder if there's something like 957 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 2: that with Butt where his outside just can't escape that 958 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,440 Speaker 2: version of himself even while his any really did you know, 959 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,880 Speaker 2: love Irving and there was clearly a connection. 960 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,400 Speaker 3: He has a desire to go to heaven with an 961 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 3: acknowledgment that he is not a good person exactly. 962 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 2: It's very he's like. 963 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 3: Cheating the system by I can't wait to get in more. Finally, yeah, sorry, 964 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,439 Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, I just go. There's 965 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 3: a really interesting color theory that I found from Gillian 966 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,879 Speaker 3: Quinn who writes on Pure Wow, where revelue are meant 967 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,799 Speaker 3: to represent an ease and Audi's and that when you 968 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 3: see purple, when you see them come together, that that 969 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,000 Speaker 3: is a severed person alia. Shawkat's character wore a purple 970 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 3: dress and she had very interesting questions. You know. It 971 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 3: seems in her questions where we're like, oh, what does 972 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 3: the air feel like? Like she didn't know, but also 973 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 3: could that have been an act? 974 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, So she's like asking what people know 975 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,280 Speaker 2: more than that. Yeah, I think that's that part. 976 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 3: That part and irving at one point where it's red 977 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 3: and blue suspenders. The color theory is very intense. Sometimes 978 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 3: it's about blended colors, sometimes about seeing two colors together. 979 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 3: When Pete dies, he's in a red and blue striped 980 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 3: bathrobe and he dies in a haze of red and 981 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,640 Speaker 3: blue lights, and I think it's just really interesting. And 982 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,439 Speaker 3: the purple in the room where they first have sex, right, 983 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,440 Speaker 3: and it's also there when Mark gets back and he's 984 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,840 Speaker 3: running around the halls, we see the hints of purple there. 985 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,240 Speaker 3: And so I just fans, please if you have more. 986 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 3: There's something about green to you that I couldn't quite follow. 987 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 3: I was like, okay to me, I want to learn 988 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:08,920 Speaker 3: more about. 989 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 2: The Yeah, Jillian Quinn has been doing this throughout the season. 990 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 2: It's really interesting. And one of the other things she 991 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 2: brings up is like different colors for the different tempers, 992 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,000 Speaker 2: which seems to also play in to this episode. But yeah, 993 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,360 Speaker 2: I love this kind of stuff. It's what I live for. 994 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 2: If we have color theory fans in the discord, please 995 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,880 Speaker 2: expand on this because I think this stuff's so interesting. 996 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 1: One thing about the twenty year timeline. Twenty years, yes 997 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,760 Speaker 1: you whatever, yes, whatever the case. Woman's been doing this 998 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,960 Speaker 1: a long time. Mark says several episodes ago to Helle, 999 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: like they're smarter than us. How can we fight them? 1000 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: I think the inquisitiveness of Innis, They're penchant for investigating 1001 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: the mysteries of their circumstances is not new. This is 1002 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 1: not the first time they've seen this. They see it 1003 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: all the fucking time, and so they have things built 1004 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:12,040 Speaker 1: into the system to control this energy. They I'm betting 1005 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,640 Speaker 1: put little mysteries in because they are understand the innies 1006 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 1: need this stuff. 1007 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,600 Speaker 2: Or the other side that I would one day is 1008 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 2: is whatever the work that Innis are meant to be 1009 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 2: doing actually about solving the mysteries, Like those mysteries are 1010 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,400 Speaker 2: actually going to lead Loom into whatever they want. I 1011 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,000 Speaker 2: think that there's something like it seems like it draws 1012 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 2: everyone in in a way that refining doesn't, I. 1013 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 1: Think, and I just feel like twenty you know, either 1014 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 1: twenty or twelve years into this process. It's not the 1015 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 1: first time that you have encountered inquisitive innis who want 1016 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,280 Speaker 1: to know more about the outside world and want to 1017 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,840 Speaker 1: know more about like what it is they're doing in 1018 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,440 Speaker 1: the circumstances that they find themselves in. So I think 1019 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,480 Speaker 1: the contral role goes deeper and is more extensive than 1020 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 1: we think. And I think that Lumen understands this, this 1021 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,520 Speaker 1: instinct that in he's have to want to know more. 1022 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 1: And I think they built just like the Lumen offices themselves. 1023 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,040 Speaker 1: They built like a little maze that they can run 1024 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:25,560 Speaker 1: around in that they can and so I feel like 1025 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 1: it's like the you know, the Bert thing, the Irving investigation. 1026 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: I feel like Bert is probably an early version of 1027 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 1: the types of control personnel that they would have in there, 1028 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,200 Speaker 1: the types of mysteries that they would have, and maybe 1029 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: he's ran his course and so they had to get 1030 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,040 Speaker 1: rid of him and and they move him, you know, 1031 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 1: just fire him and move him outside. And whatever Burt 1032 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,960 Speaker 1: is doing, excuse me, whatever Irving is doing, whatever investigations 1033 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 1: he has, play into this extensive control as well. Because 1034 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: again I think that Lumen is not. The MDR crew 1035 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,360 Speaker 1: has not. I don't believe that they are true have 1036 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 1: truly been surprised by this kind of like mini uprising 1037 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,520 Speaker 1: that they're seeing. There's no way twelve. 1038 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,240 Speaker 2: You're gonna say, even if it's a decade or two decades, 1039 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,680 Speaker 2: there's no way. This is the first Innis who've ever 1040 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 2: been like, oh, this kind of sucks, like yeah, twenty 1041 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,280 Speaker 2: four miles a day. 1042 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 1: Like, so, I I feel like there's clues in things 1043 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 1: that Lumen themselves have put in. They make it purposefully 1044 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: mysterious in a way because they want them to scratch 1045 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,560 Speaker 1: that itch so they don't feel whatever. 1046 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like the belly but exactly it's not shutting 1047 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff down and letting it fester. So 1048 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,040 Speaker 3: it definitely seems like and it makes sense if I 1049 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,120 Speaker 3: can occupy your mind with right things that I can 1050 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,000 Speaker 3: control what you're doing both while you think you're focused 1051 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,040 Speaker 3: on this company and when you think you're not. Yeah, yeah, 1052 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 3: this is all gonna try to be elaborate, uh loing 1053 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,760 Speaker 3: to the rat race, and I am going to be 1054 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 3: so tickled. This is very funny and doug and thought 1055 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,280 Speaker 3: it can tell I just I really love this show. 1056 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: That's great, it's really good. 1057 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:12,280 Speaker 2: So much. 1058 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to continue, of course our ongoing UH 1059 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,800 Speaker 1: coverage of Severance season two, and in the next few 1060 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: episodes of Extra Vision, we're diving into recaps of the 1061 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: Daredevil seasons on Netflix, with a season one recap dropping 1062 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,040 Speaker 1: this Thursday, and our season two and three recaps are 1063 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:35,160 Speaker 1: dropping next week. And of course, UH you'll see us 1064 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,640 Speaker 1: for news this coming weekend. And that's it for this episode. 1065 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Joelle, thanks for joining us. 1066 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,360 Speaker 3: Bye x. 1067 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 1: Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie Night 1068 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,080 Speaker 1: and is a production of iHeart Podcast. 1069 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,000 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Coleman. 1070 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,320 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abusafar. 1071 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,640 Speaker 2: All produces are Common, Laurent Dean, Jonathan and Fay Wack. 1072 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 1073 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:05,840 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 1074 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 1075 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,240 Speaker 2: Heidi are Discord moderator