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Speaker 2: could have used your four five players brothers running free,
Speaker 2: I mean people setting career once again, once career highs
Speaker 2: being set against that Cowboy defenses. The Cowboys get beat
Speaker 2: by the Arizona Cardinals twenty seven to seventeen. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I was wrong. I picked the Cardinals. I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is a bad team. You're gonna get this done. I
Speaker 2: was wrong, wrong? Wrong? You right?
Speaker 3: I mean I think we all picked that. Yes, in
Speaker 3: this situation, we was all wrong, man, and I was
Speaker 3: over here talking about you the more talented team. There's
Speaker 3: no way you let this one slide, like you gotta
Speaker 3: get this. And man, the Arizona Cardinals came in here and.
Speaker 2: Just physically beat the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: They looked like the more talented team again again, And
Speaker 3: at what point does this team get punched in the
Speaker 3: mouth and respond like, where's the CounterPunch out?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: They started a little bit fast, then fourth down, turn
Speaker 3: it overs on downs, then after that they never recovered
Speaker 3: from the game.
Speaker 2: And to me, it's just like, where's the adjustments? What's
Speaker 2: going on? Offensive line is struggling.
Speaker 3: Earlier in the season that was a strength, a surprising strength,
Speaker 3: it was. But your offensive line is struggling. Yet you
Speaker 3: continue doing these you know, five step deep developing routes
Speaker 3: where that got to hold the ball a little bit longer.
Speaker 3: Your offensive line is not holding up and defenses are
Speaker 3: taking advantage of that.
Speaker 2: They're only rushing forward getting home and they're muddying up
Speaker 2: all the windows back there in the secondary in the
Speaker 2: second level. For Dad Prescott, you know, to me, this
Speaker 2: is this it's just it's an outstanding to me when
Speaker 2: I look at this, and I'm on the defensive side
Speaker 2: of the football.
Speaker 3: Now, how bad it can be. And I was a
Speaker 3: part of some bad defense. I was a part of
Speaker 3: some defenses that gave up a lot of yards. But
Speaker 3: we at least had fight there. We at least fought.
Speaker 2: Say the word, say the word, you know you want
Speaker 2: to say it can't do this. I can't. You know,
Speaker 2: it's gutless. I can't. I didn't say. Look, look, man,
Speaker 2: that was gutless effort. Bro. You knew they knew what
Speaker 2: they had to do. You knew what you had to
Speaker 2: do at home. They came out here, Jacobe said, out
Speaker 2: here looking like Tom Feeling giving him work.
Speaker 4: The boy that fumbled the mark was the running back then,
Speaker 4: yeah he was out there. They look they look good
Speaker 4: coming in here. I mean it was. It was a
Speaker 4: total team yeah, total team effort for them, both sides
Speaker 4: of the ball. You know, like you try to figure
Speaker 4: out what happened to you know, George Pickens and CD
Speaker 4: and you sitting back there, like where are they at?
Speaker 4: Just like you said, every route is taking so long.
Speaker 4: We're trying to hit deep balls. We're trying to hit
Speaker 4: you know, like these pass routes that are taken so
Speaker 4: long for them to develop, and unfortunately it's not coming
Speaker 4: to fluishing it up.
Speaker 2: But where was it? Wredak was not getting killed? Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: bro that offensive line, that offensive line, he supposedly got healthier.
Speaker 5: This is this book. This was five sacks money.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is remody a Carolina Carolina game where they
Speaker 2: beat you up front all night long after the first drive,
Speaker 2: to beat you up all night long and here to
Speaker 2: me are right. This is where the part of me
Speaker 2: just says, Hey, I'm sorry. Your offensive coordinator was with
Speaker 2: who last year Arizona? So you don't know what to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't know what. You don't know what the DC
Speaker 2: gonna do. You know what, you don't know what they
Speaker 2: like to do. This is embarrassing, gutless, brotless at home
Speaker 2: when you needed it before the Bible. You guys played
Speaker 2: in the league. So what's it like with you go
Speaker 2: to Bibele and not just going about you going to
Speaker 2: bibe we get smacked.
Speaker 3: It sucks because that's the week you're supposed to be.
Speaker 3: I don't relaxing of care in the world. No football.
Speaker 3: I'm chilling. You ain't on no wind streak. Not only
Speaker 3: that you got embarrassed primetime television Monday night, everybody watching
Speaker 3: this versus a team that pretty much everybody picked you to.
Speaker 4: Win bye week, you might get to take the pads
Speaker 4: off a little bit, you know what I'm saying, winning
Speaker 4: if you're playing well. Unfortunately for the Cowboys, I don't
Speaker 4: think they're gonna get to take the pads off this week.
Speaker 5: They might actually have.
Speaker 4: To scrimmage squash going on for real.
Speaker 5: Tobo, Hey, I ain't nothing more of that, but.
Speaker 2: You might not want to be seen like I'm getting
Speaker 2: embarrassed like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, I'm at the crib, like, don't ask
Speaker 3: me to go out, don't ask me to be seen out.
Speaker 2: But I'm not doing none of that.
Speaker 3: They don't want to show up at the club, no restaurants.
Speaker 2: Is that church that the guy that was missing technically hey.
Speaker 4: Guys' ady o, Hey let me tell you. And in
Speaker 4: Oakland that team that the fans felt like they were
Speaker 4: that personal with the team, So you know, the town
Speaker 4: is a little bit different anyway.
Speaker 5: So you out there, it's black right, you're not having business.
Speaker 4: You don't handle your business on the field, then people
Speaker 4: gonna let you know out in the public black Town.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they ain't got no problem.
Speaker 5: They're gonna let you know real.
Speaker 2: And let you say something back. You ain't say nothing, Arizona.
Speaker 2: They was cracking up. You ain't, man, you want to
Speaker 2: get me to work that you didn't want to get
Speaker 2: a char.
Speaker 4: But that was it was, It was, it was. It
Speaker 4: was really tough watching that man. And as I'm sitting
Speaker 4: at home and and you know, all week were talking
Speaker 4: about this is a game that you gotta.
Speaker 2: Gotta, I gotta have.
Speaker 5: You gotta get, we believed it. Oh my god, man,
Speaker 5: I'm going man, I'm done.
Speaker 4: And it was like after the third, after the third
Speaker 4: third down completion that they got, and everything was third
Speaker 4: and ten, third and twelve, third and fourteen or whatever,
Speaker 4: and they're and they're marching down the field.
Speaker 5: I was like, hey this.
Speaker 4: I wanted to just come on to chat and be
Speaker 4: like hey this, this ac't looking good. But I tried
Speaker 4: to stay optimistic and I tried to.
Speaker 2: Just say third and thirteen, third and nineteen.
Speaker 3: I've seen to pick up a second and nineteen with
Speaker 3: per sent out there dealing with these these folks. So
Speaker 3: to me, it was just like it was an embarrassing
Speaker 3: lounch like y'all said. And when you look at it,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this secondary and I understand you say
Speaker 3: these are down to the third and fourth string, no digs,
Speaker 3: no slot corner.
Speaker 2: But you look at Bland, not ninety two mil bro.
Speaker 2: This is all pro corner. He was getting picked on
Speaker 2: just as much or not more tagged up than all
Speaker 2: these other cats. Marvin Harrison up and down.
Speaker 4: We talked about that, all us alone out there routing
Speaker 4: folks up.
Speaker 2: And this is blad. This it's the best you got.
Speaker 2: You're getting routed up. Man. See the lamb up there
Speaker 2: when he when he when.
Speaker 4: He lost, Yes, when he lost his footing on on
Speaker 4: that slant. And I know what was going through his
Speaker 4: head as far as his technique and what he was thinking.
Speaker 4: But uh, when he went to put that foot in the.
Speaker 5: Ground and then it wasn't there wasn't there no more.
Speaker 5: You've you've rarely seen that happen.
Speaker 2: It didn't this whole process. Now were these corners?
Speaker 3: Because I don't understand it personally, You in press coverage.
Speaker 3: The reason for press coverage, if I'm not wrong, you
Speaker 3: gotta get hands.
Speaker 2: Yes, why are these corners?
Speaker 3: There's impress coverage, but they're not using their hands. They're
Speaker 3: just kind of mirroring them with the feet.
Speaker 4: I don't know, nobody wants to use their hands anymore.
Speaker 4: And like, I don't understand the process of it either.
Speaker 4: What's the purpose of getting down there first of all,
Speaker 4: if you're not gonna stay square and you're just gonna
Speaker 4: open the gate and turn it into a foot race.
Speaker 2: And at that point we always say if he even
Speaker 2: he's leaving, all right, So it was bad. This is
Speaker 2: this is the drive charge for the Cowboys. Jeezu downs,
Speaker 2: punt fumble, missfield goal, halftime, field goal downs, touchdown, fumble, interception.
Speaker 2: This is the drives, baby nine drives. Just go off
Speaker 2: a touchdown to the fourth court. But there's help on
Speaker 2: the way, oh Man Gerald Wayne Jones meant business when
Speaker 2: it went on first take with Stephen A. Smith before
Speaker 2: the team got embarrassed and said there's gonna be a trade.
Speaker 2: There was a trade, and that's early this morning. The
Speaker 2: Cowboys traded for linebacker Logan Wilson. He only comes from
Speaker 2: the team that has the worst defense in the league, Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and was pitched there.
Speaker 5: He was benched there on the worst defense right in
Speaker 5: the league.
Speaker 2: So they're gonna get him for a seventh round pick.
Speaker 2: So and that's next year. So there we got, all right,
Speaker 2: that ain't a bad one. So so he's coming to town.
Speaker 2: He's better than which he you know, from last place
Speaker 2: defense is the second to last place defense. So okay,
Speaker 2: so that's one one. But this defense is so bad.
Speaker 2: He's might be the best you got. He definitely gonna
Speaker 2: be the best line back your head question. So then
Speaker 2: they made the major trade for Quinn Williams, defense tackle
Speaker 2: for the New York Jets' twenty eight years old three
Speaker 2: time pro bowler. They're going to give up a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six second round pick and a twenty twenty seven
Speaker 2: first round pick. Wait, so that's one of your first
Speaker 2: from that whole Green Bay Michael Parsons. From what I
Speaker 2: can tell right now, this looks like it's going to
Speaker 2: be the Cowboys. Oh okay there, but you're keeping your
Speaker 2: two ones next year right now, twenty twenty six, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have your two ones yours in Green Bay. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna have a second round pick, now, have a
Speaker 2: third round pick right now. That's what you got going
Speaker 2: on there. Now. Quinn Williams was the guy that had
Speaker 2: major interest in before the Michael Parsons trade. But the
Speaker 2: Jets didn't want to do that deal. They want to
Speaker 2: know parts of it, which I can understand from the
Speaker 2: standpoint of, hey, look we get Michael Parsons. I had
Speaker 2: to give up major picks and pay a lot of money,
Speaker 2: something they didn't want to do. I'm just unloading picks,
Speaker 2: I mean unloading players today for picks. A Sauce Gardener,
Speaker 2: they're outstanding quarters now going to the Colts for two
Speaker 2: first rounds, which is nothing. Yeah, he's a good player,
Speaker 2: but two first rounders. But I guess they think they're ready. Hey, hey, look,
Speaker 2: you know what, So the Jet the Jets have been
Speaker 2: making moves today, been making moves today. So good luck
Speaker 2: to Aaron Glenn because you know you losing Sauce Gardener,
Speaker 2: quinnen with now your Cowboys made. The Cowboys defense may
Speaker 2: not be last for long. Jets about to be in trouble.
Speaker 2: They have given up the ship. So Quinn Williams is
Speaker 2: coming here to play alongside Kenny Clark. So now your
Speaker 2: defensive front is got two legitimate guys that are both
Speaker 2: signed through twenty twenty seven. Now here's the killer guys,
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody ready for this. And in that deal
Speaker 2: they traded Mozzie Smith. I can't believe it. Burst round.
Speaker 2: Missie Smith is gone Smith, Mozzie man backbone of the defense.
Speaker 2: The enforced you know what condors.
Speaker 4: At least they found somebody who was who was who
Speaker 4: was recepted.
Speaker 2: No more, no more. Here's the thing, guarantee this no
Speaker 2: more in actors from Ozzie. You can put the salute
Speaker 2: the service away. He goes MOI is going to New York. Boy,
Speaker 2: he let him have some fun with that media. So
Speaker 2: it's official. It was a bust of the first round.
Speaker 3: Pick top buzz is he above Taco when it comes
Speaker 3: to the to the busts old first rounders.
Speaker 2: So the problem for Taco was who they could have had,
Speaker 2: could have had TJ. White. That was the problem because
Speaker 2: another thing, the other problem I had with it coming
Speaker 2: out of school TJ. TJ was the Big Ten defensive
Speaker 2: player of the year. Taco was a guy who didn't
Speaker 2: start till his senior year at Michigan. So it's like,
Speaker 2: wait a minut it there is a dude who's been
Speaker 2: balling from a family of ballers, and you're taking this
Speaker 2: guy because Rod mary Nelly said he fit the skin
Speaker 2: by guy, which you know, at some point in time,
Speaker 2: can we stop listening to the coaches? Really? What what
Speaker 2: coaches want? I remember one time when Wade Phillips wanted
Speaker 2: Keith Brooking, but they wanted to draft I want to
Speaker 2: say it was Levonte David. It was undoubted non function.
Speaker 2: It was he went to the Fort Navarro. Yes that's who.
Speaker 2: That's so so apparently the scouts wanted Bowman ways and high.
Speaker 2: I want Keith Brooking really, yeah, yeah, Sometimes so sometimes
Speaker 2: you don't need because you know what coaches want. Want
Speaker 2: something right now, you coach it for now. You can't
Speaker 2: coach for the future. Coach young want right now. So
Speaker 2: this is what the Cowboys are doing. Your thoughts, Quinn
Speaker 2: Williams defensive tackle, Logan Wilson, linebacker.
Speaker 4: My my initial thoughts were, of course, the linebacker, any
Speaker 4: type of linebacker help right now would be an assistant. Okay,
Speaker 4: so that right there in itself, and then understanding that
Speaker 4: he was that guy for a little bit. But they
Speaker 4: got a younger player in there now that actually took
Speaker 4: his position. But I saw him do some interviews and
Speaker 4: he was just talking about how much of a team
Speaker 4: player he was, and it didn't matter that he was
Speaker 4: sitting on the bench, how he was going to try
Speaker 4: to help this young guy learn as much as he
Speaker 4: could and get you know, progress as much as he could.
Speaker 4: And anytime you got somebody like that, you know that
Speaker 4: that takes leadership definitely right there, you know, And then
Speaker 4: you know, to see the whole Quinn Williams thing. You know,
Speaker 4: first of all, like we know how big of a
Speaker 4: player he was when he came out of Alabama, right
Speaker 4: his brother being one of his teammates up there. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm surprised they didn't try to go after him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, bring them both out here. But I definitely
Speaker 4: think it's it's going to be a help. But when
Speaker 4: we look at it like I'm looking at it from
Speaker 4: the standpoint of this, like, Okay, we got two run
Speaker 4: stoppers now with Kenny Clark Quinn Williams, you still don't
Speaker 4: have those ads rushers yet, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And then we address part of the problem with line practice,
Speaker 4: but that secondary still needs some help too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you know, we've already said that they weren't a
Speaker 4: player away. They're not two players away. There's several players away,
Speaker 4: but you know, like in retrospect, trying to get some
Speaker 4: help in here right now, just how to salvage anything.
Speaker 2: Jerry has to do what he has to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when it comes to me, you know, Logan Wilson,
Speaker 3: like you said, he seems like the consumment pro out there,
Speaker 3: a guy that takes it serious.
Speaker 2: And when he played, you know, he was solid.
Speaker 3: You know, he was a solid line He'll definitely be
Speaker 3: the best linebacker you have on this team currently. Once
Speaker 3: he gets the playbook and starts rolling, I believe he'll
Speaker 3: be an upgrade him. And I mean you can have
Speaker 3: some of the young cats, whether it's Shamar James or
Speaker 3: Marisley or Rashawn coming back. So I feel like this
Speaker 3: linebacker room has gotten better with Wilson. Now we talk
Speaker 3: about Quinn Williams, I think like that's that's something that
Speaker 3: that could be huge for this for this Dallas Cowboys defense, not.
Speaker 2: Not so much this year.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like just this defense at best is
Speaker 3: probably gonna be that around twenty seventeen, you know, if
Speaker 3: they can with the additions that they've had, I feel
Speaker 3: like there'll be a better defense going out of this year.
Speaker 3: But to me this, this is more about next year
Speaker 3: in the future. I mean, you got some building blocks.
Speaker 3: You got Kenny Clark, you got Williams, not to mention,
Speaker 3: you got Osa, Diggy Zula, Solomon Thomas. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if he's under contract for next year, but if he is,
Speaker 3: that would be a nice piece in there as well.
Speaker 3: He's been playing great as a as a rotational piece.
Speaker 3: Like you said, you may need some of the edge rusher,
Speaker 3: edge pressure, and definitely in the secondary.
Speaker 2: But for the future, I think I think it's starting
Speaker 2: to look a little bright.
Speaker 3: It's a little bright this year, though it's a little
Speaker 3: bit too late, a little bit too late this year.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me they're not gonna win ten games
Speaker 2: that yet. Man, it's looking bleak for your boy right now.
Speaker 2: It's looking real. I can't put the energy out there
Speaker 2: because then I can't get down, but it's looking extly
Speaker 2: bleak right now. He's look bleak for your boy right now.
Speaker 3: Man, it's like, God, I'm watching this and shout out
Speaker 3: to my former teammate kalay Is Campbell.
Speaker 2: I mean he's you know, he may be year what
Speaker 2: is a year forty five? Right now? I mean this
Speaker 2: was a. I got to the league, Like yoa out
Speaker 2: there doing his little turn a round jumper celebration. I
Speaker 2: thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 3: But he's still out there doing this thing, man, and
Speaker 3: it just goes to show you he's a dominted player.
Speaker 3: But ain't no way he's supposed to be out there
Speaker 3: getting two sacks rested.
Speaker 2: Ain't no way, bro. Only the Cowboys consider around here.
Speaker 2: Make Russell Wilson and Klays Campbell looks like they're still
Speaker 2: in their prime, like this is twenty ten to twenty
Speaker 2: eleven or so.
Speaker 5: And may Jakoby Brissett look like he was Tom Brady.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he looks like he's supposed to be this starting
Speaker 4: quarterback for that team to wrestle the season.
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, he may be all of duty in
Speaker 2: trouble man. He may be, because we finally saw Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison getting playing to the level that we thought he
Speaker 2: was coming out of Ohio State, and they're tied in
Speaker 2: Trey McBride. I mean McBride. Wow, Okay, this this guy
Speaker 2: is a good player. But the Cowboys make sure Cowboys
Speaker 2: make guys look like Pro Bowls. So Marvin Harrison ten targets,
Speaker 2: seven catches, ninety six yards and a touchdown. McBride nine targets,
Speaker 2: five cats, fifty five yards in a touchdown.
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison was at his best game of the season
Speaker 5: so far.
Speaker 2: Uh, there's no doubt, definitely. But when you got Ceedee Lambo,
Speaker 2: he was a man.
Speaker 3: He and my boy fall into a little summrsault there.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to hear nothing about the scheme
Speaker 3: no more. I don't want to hear about Okay, aout
Speaker 3: that come.
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Speaker 2: Quinn Williams, that's the biggest trade of the day that
Speaker 2: the Cowboys got. They made too. But Quinn Williams twenty
Speaker 2: eight years old, three time Pro Bowl So they're giving
Speaker 2: up a twenty twenty six second round drafting. They're also
Speaker 2: giving up a twenty twenty seven first round pick, and
Speaker 2: according to NFL dot Com, the Jets will receive the
Speaker 2: higher of the two picks. So whether it's Green Bays
Speaker 2: or Dallas's pick in twenty twenty seven, they get to
Speaker 2: have that pick, which is fair. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 2: make them wait a year to get it. That that's fair.
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, that's that's so. So that's what they
Speaker 2: got going on there. Logan Wilson, linebacker from Cincinnati comes
Speaker 2: on over here, so he's here as well. So this
Speaker 2: is kind of before we get your pointed out, this
Speaker 2: is kind of what the defense is looking like right now,
Speaker 2: is they get ready to go. They got a bye
Speaker 2: week this week, and what looks like it's Vegas defensive
Speaker 2: end to Davian Clowning defensive tackle, Quinny Williams defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: So Diggis or Kenny Clark. I'm just gonna say, probably
Speaker 2: gonna be Kenny Clark start right there. Defensive end. Donovant
Speaker 2: as a rock the rookie we've been playing better. He
Speaker 2: has been like he has been playing team Dog team
Speaker 2: Megan Man, Uh, your linebackers, we're looking up for Vegas
Speaker 2: Marrion Overshawn Logan Wilson if that he can come back,
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's your three corners issue right there.
Speaker 2: Darron Bland care are you long? Don't look like that?
Speaker 2: Stop it corner? Kayla Carson or Ready Stewart. With your
Speaker 2: safeties being Malie Hooker and Donnald Wilson, that's what your
Speaker 2: defense could potentially be.
Speaker 3: Which is better than what we've seeing on paper on papers,
Speaker 3: better than what we see.
Speaker 2: I still am worried. About that secondary, man.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm looking at that like your best quarter
Speaker 3: ain't supposed to be getting done like that.
Speaker 2: And I can see, you know.
Speaker 3: A play here and there, everybody gets got but when
Speaker 3: you consistently getting getting stretched on by these these offenses,
Speaker 3: that's not a good Uh, that's.
Speaker 2: Not a good situation. Not for millions a lot of buggets, Chris,
Speaker 2: Chris being Does the Cowboys have an official bread sponsor?
Speaker 2: They got sponsor everybody you know, they got the official
Speaker 2: oil chain. Good question. I mean, is it like Missus
Speaker 2: Basil had or the King's Hawaii? We do have a
Speaker 2: hat sponsor for the secondary is a Swiss cheese. Cheese.
Speaker 5: It's bad out there. It is awful, it is all
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett is a lifelong backup who's on the sixteen man.
Speaker 2: He's this is a guy who just goes around, will work.
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, come on, I mean that's what
Speaker 2: we're talking about here. This isn't Joe Burrow. This ain't
Speaker 2: the Beangles. No, this isn't.
Speaker 4: He's always been serviceable, if not more than serviceable. He's
Speaker 4: a great game manager when he's had the opportunity to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: But you know. Yeah, it's like but Russ. Okay, Russ
Speaker 2: comes in here, throws four fifty, he gets benched. That's
Speaker 2: how right, that's how. That's how this thing. Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: career highs. Everybody looking I mean, dudes looking good.
Speaker 4: At some point in time, you gotta be sick and
Speaker 4: tired of being sick and tired. Some some gotta happen.
Speaker 4: This is the damning thing for the Cowboys. Okay, the
Speaker 4: Cardinals had.
Speaker 2: Lost four straight games. They come here, Jacoby Brissett leaves
Speaker 2: here and they got a quarterback controversy. That's how good
Speaker 2: you made him look. He may sit kind of twenty
Speaker 2: six million dollars a court. They may not go back
Speaker 2: to him. That's that's how. That's what the cowboy d made. Man.
Speaker 4: But we've seen we've seen that, and we've talked. We
Speaker 4: talked about it. We said, hey, hopefully they don't come
Speaker 4: in here.
Speaker 5: And have their career game.
Speaker 3: They did.
Speaker 4: Look exactly what happened, man, you know. And as far
Speaker 4: as like, you know, people get beat at the line
Speaker 4: all the time. That's just part of bumping run. How
Speaker 4: many times have you ever seen a guy actually lose
Speaker 4: his footing do a tumble over and everything else like that.
Speaker 4: That that that was just to the place where like
Speaker 4: I've seen dudes totally missed with hands. I've seen thus
Speaker 4: but just the whole somersault and fall thing that that
Speaker 4: you get.
Speaker 2: Up with the handclapp just ain't nothing you can do it.
Speaker 2: You can do about that one.
Speaker 5: Now you can do about that.
Speaker 3: And when you and we all understand when when that,
Speaker 3: when that pay scale is like that, well, you can't
Speaker 3: be out there looking like that like T k New
Speaker 3: played with him for a long time, one of the
Speaker 3: highest paid corners, and he ain't not like you.
Speaker 2: You wasn't getting you wasn't getting done like that. You
Speaker 2: might get beat, but you wasn't getting done like that, man.
Speaker 3: And it's it's ugly and back to what I was
Speaker 3: talking about with the scheme wise that I just can't.
Speaker 2: I can't stand it anymore.
Speaker 3: He putting these guys like it's the basics of what
Speaker 3: these guys aren't doing out there. That's just like, wait
Speaker 3: a second, what are we doing guys like It's it's
Speaker 3: simple if you're a press man coverage, but you're not
Speaker 3: getting hands on guys. You're just letting them run run.
Speaker 3: Fits like it's the basic things that are killing his defense.
Speaker 3: And I and I still just I don't understand it
Speaker 3: when you just look at the pre snap because even
Speaker 3: on these ESPN and NBC and ABC gag you see
Speaker 3: all twenty two players in there and they'll tighten it up,
Speaker 3: but everybody, no one's talking. It's like it's like you're
Speaker 3: in churches and everybody's just like this, not saying a
Speaker 3: word to one another.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how you play football like that.
Speaker 4: It's been one of the hardest things to deal with
Speaker 4: just to watch because you know, like we're talking about
Speaker 4: get the communication together, then they change communication.
Speaker 5: We hear that they're working on that.
Speaker 4: Then it's okay, let's get away from so much zone
Speaker 4: and let's start running some man. It does not matter,
Speaker 4: just like you said, it does not matter what the
Speaker 4: scheme has been. It does not matter what the defense
Speaker 4: with the communication has been, the lack of it or whatever.
Speaker 4: Guys are not making plays, period. They're not making plays.
Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, you would imagine
Speaker 4: that if it ain't nothing else but a hustle play, man,
Speaker 4: just let me get a hustle plate heart play or something.
Speaker 5: We ain't even get none of that.
Speaker 2: That's when you come and say it's gutless. If you
Speaker 2: can't give me your heart, can't get nobody effort running.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, I'm just watching his team run
Speaker 2: up and down the field on them like they had
Speaker 2: Arizona pin back. I want to say, like a five
Speaker 2: six yard line.
Speaker 4: I want man the first that drive when they're on
Speaker 4: fourth down, when the Cowboys didn't get the first down,
Speaker 4: Arizona got the ball, like the three get.
Speaker 2: All the way down the field. Man.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like with cats that, like we said, they're
Speaker 3: not going against Jamar Chase t Higgins. They're not going
Speaker 3: against you know, the Seattle outfit offensively or the Colts
Speaker 3: of what they're doing with well, it was going against
Speaker 3: the guys that couldn't finish.
Speaker 2: So Jerry on his radio show today on one to
Speaker 2: five three the Fan said that he made a mistake
Speaker 2: and having three different defensive coordinators in three years, he
Speaker 2: said he made a mistake there.
Speaker 5: And so you know flu saying nowhere.
Speaker 2: And as I listened to that, Seattle by the way,
Speaker 2: so I've got team right now right Seattle first place
Speaker 2: defense rolling over there. Their defensive coordinator was where last
Speaker 2: he was Aidenden. Yeah, he was here, the Washington defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: It has been there the last two yos. He was here.
Speaker 2: So you have had two guys who were with dan
Speaker 2: Quinn who knew the scheme, and you like dan Quinn,
Speaker 2: Joe wanted the job, Dirty would have taken the job
Speaker 2: to be a DC, people who understood the scheme, and
Speaker 2: you let him get out the building to go bring
Speaker 2: in Mike Zimmer. I like Mike zimmer a d you like,
Speaker 2: and Barry we all like him. But this scheme d
Speaker 2: Q was running is not Zimmer's skiing. No, it's not
Speaker 2: at all. And so you had the issue there. Now
Speaker 2: you bring in mad ebra Flus and once again third
Speaker 2: different just so people have an understanding. All these defensive
Speaker 2: coordinators have different ideas about how they want it. You
Speaker 2: know what you say, it's a four four to three D.
Speaker 2: But everybody's got a different idea of what it is
Speaker 2: they want to do. Mm hm variables right, I mean,
Speaker 2: just think about it. If you want to sing a song,
Speaker 2: take pick your favorite song. You gonna do a little
Speaker 2: you know, you gonna do a remake of it. You're
Speaker 2: gonna do a little Different're gonna do what fits you.
Speaker 2: You know, so it and that's the problem. It doesn't
Speaker 2: fit and you got guys who don't fit here. And
Speaker 2: Donovan Wilson is a good football player. It was a
Speaker 2: really good football player under Dan Quinn. The way he
Speaker 2: fit him in the system right now with Mattiberflussy doesn't
Speaker 2: look good.
Speaker 3: And when you look at it, another guy they let
Speaker 3: go out of the door. Who Diggs had his best
Speaker 3: season under. Bland had his best season under was Al Harris.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a guy that you know, he
Speaker 3: played the position at a very high level for a long.
Speaker 2: Time, gotten the coaching in they had their best years.
Speaker 2: Our Harris would have loved to have been a defensive
Speaker 2: courtn You know, you better believe Al Harris was under
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn. Now Harris knew what was going with the defense.
Speaker 2: And so one of the things I say is, ka,
Speaker 2: we all think the forty nine ers are good football team,
Speaker 2: right Okay. So along the way as Kyle Shanahan has
Speaker 2: lost guys, he's promoted people from within. Everybody knows what
Speaker 2: they're doing. They all know what they're doing. You're not
Speaker 2: going out here bringing different people.
Speaker 4: But you know, the only thing about that is like
Speaker 4: we talk about the guys who were knew dan quinn stuff,
Speaker 4: but I know Flues came in here, want to run
Speaker 4: Flu stuff, you know. So at the same time, like
Speaker 4: you have these guys who are familiar with dan Quinn's
Speaker 4: whole scheme and the way he ran his defense. Eve
Speaker 4: Flush won't come in here and put in his ebra
Speaker 4: Flu's defense, right, and so so it doesn't you know,
Speaker 4: like so to have them guys now, granted you just
Speaker 4: named a couple of ballers, they were pretty good dudes
Speaker 4: too as well. Not to mention Al Harris was a good,
Speaker 4: great player and a good coach, but just to just
Speaker 4: to see that and to try to understand, Okay, we
Speaker 4: keep talking about you haven't had the tools that you
Speaker 4: need to go to war with yet.
Speaker 5: So so all.
Speaker 2: Right, so here here's and I guess, as you followed
Speaker 2: up on this, one of the things Jerry has always
Speaker 2: been adamant about ad was having to keep the same offense,
Speaker 2: keep running. I don't want dak to change. I want
Speaker 2: you to keep doing we're doing offensively. So this this
Speaker 2: mindset and philosophy you have had for offense, you won't
Speaker 2: continue it. One of the reasons why he wanted to
Speaker 2: keep Kellen Moore when Mike McCarthy the guy here, I
Speaker 2: don't want to change what's going on here. I liked
Speaker 2: what he liked that thing, and so here it is
Speaker 2: always wanted to make sure there's continuity and Dak feels good.
Speaker 2: You look at the defense they put anybody back there
Speaker 2: right when you had dudes who understood what to do,
Speaker 2: so you could say, hey, Jerry didn't want to he
Speaker 2: didn't want to hire a first time defensive coordinator, but
Speaker 2: you've done it with your offensive coordinator, Clayton. Clayton, I
Speaker 2: don't even be no dophinsive coordinator. Kellen Moore hadn't been
Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator. Jason Garrett had not been an offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator when he got the job here. So you have you.
Speaker 2: There's a hypocrisy thing going on here. Now. One of
Speaker 2: my very good friend I always says, yeah, Haye, hypocrisy. Well,
Speaker 2: you know it's around here. I'm trying to help me
Speaker 2: understand that I did I did, I did I miss
Speaker 2: something here? But most of ady, I'm just going back
Speaker 2: to this thing. There was continuity here in a system
Speaker 2: that Jerry liked. He liked what they were doing then
Speaker 2: you go and bring it outside. People like that, and
Speaker 2: if we're being fair to them, they need to be
Speaker 2: able to do what they want to do. If we're
Speaker 2: being fair to them. I mean, if I'm gonna hire
Speaker 2: Anthony Dorset, I need to look at Anthony Dorset's resume
Speaker 2: and say, Anthony, can you give me this what you
Speaker 2: brought to me that I hired you for?
Speaker 4: Right, don't expect me to come in here and be
Speaker 4: Dan Quinn for you. It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Especially we don't have an eracer. I mean the racer
Speaker 2: you had walk out the door, thank you. He would have,
Speaker 2: he would have.
Speaker 3: He would have fixed a lot of issues, but you
Speaker 3: wouldn't been seen. Yes, yes, and so so so so
Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear Jerry at least owned up to it.
Speaker 2: But now, okay, I'll give you my opinion on what
Speaker 2: he did today with the tradings, just just my opinion.
Speaker 2: When we come back, I'll just give you my thoughts
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Speaker 2: the way, Maddy reflus. The defense not good. Chicago, by
Speaker 2: the way, is five and three, tied with Detroit for
Speaker 2: second place, just half game back from green Bay, playing
Speaker 2: playing well too, playing well defense.
Speaker 5: They came up here, got some momentum with Kevin rolling.
Speaker 2: The lead. The cowwarys is just hey, who was rolling?
Speaker 2: Just keep moving? One of my partners from business school,
Speaker 2: big Chicago fan. All he do. I tried to tell you,
Speaker 2: even if it was terrible, tried to tell you, I
Speaker 2: just get What can he say? What can you saying
Speaker 2: when when folk like this smoking, I got nothing. I
Speaker 2: got nothing like like you guys are finding out. You
Speaker 2: told me it was gonna be okay, but I know,
Speaker 2: I know, so not good? All right? So yeah, well
Speaker 2: yes and no this man bet me. Harry Church showed
Speaker 2: me the games. I said, man, ain't looking ten games.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Nick and Sam's on you. So so yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm I'm they lose one more, right, yeah, because
Speaker 2: they got what they lose one more? They be what
Speaker 2: are they right now? Three five and one? Yeah? Yeah
Speaker 2: they got yeah the most they can be. They taxing
Speaker 2: one yeah, cowboys want to buy. And up next it's
Speaker 2: the Raiders, Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Chargers, Commanders, Giants.
Speaker 3: I can't count on none of They ain't beating the
Speaker 3: Raiders before. I was gonna be like, oh yeah, you
Speaker 3: got to you know, a couple possible. All that's possible.
Speaker 3: All that is just it, man. It's one of them hands,
Speaker 3: you getting spades and you ain't got those space.
Speaker 2: So I just gave you that whole schedule right there.
Speaker 2: So my thought process on the trade of Quinn Williams
Speaker 2: defensive tackle and Logan Wilson linebacker and helped this bad defense.
Speaker 2: It's a little too late, is way too late. It's
Speaker 2: a little too late.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: This whole thing has been fumbled, man like, from the
Speaker 3: from the Michael Parsons thing like you should have been
Speaker 3: taking care of back in March.
Speaker 9: Man like.
Speaker 3: It's just and give you get team enough time to
Speaker 3: get situated and get the defense right.
Speaker 2: Trade him off? What a week before the season. This
Speaker 2: is not with no So now you're playing ketchup. So
Speaker 2: you're right with no plans. So you you've been because
Speaker 2: in the spring, Jerry said he wanted to sign him,
Speaker 2: So in the spring you wanted to get something done
Speaker 2: until something happened and he wasn't happy about it. And
Speaker 2: they've been playing ketchup ever since. And it's not good.
Speaker 2: And so when we look at the schedule what we
Speaker 2: just laid out here, let me think about, Okay, you
Speaker 2: got the Raiders at the Raiders. I'm not saying they're
Speaker 2: gonna win it because it's on the road and not
Speaker 2: good enough. They can't win. But then after that, you know,
Speaker 2: November twenty third, on a Sunday, you have world champions
Speaker 2: who you already lost to this year. Then four days later,
Speaker 2: you turn around and face the Kansas City Chiefs played
Speaker 2: last year. Okay, so that's November twenty seventh. Then one
Speaker 2: week later you don't get a full tender. One week
Speaker 2: later you got to go to Detroit. Who's going to
Speaker 2: be looking like, hey, last Dallas ball coming up here.
Speaker 2: So then you get ten days off and you get
Speaker 2: to host the Minnesota Vice Kings on NBC. Don't know
Speaker 2: if they'll still be on NBC by then. We'll see
Speaker 2: if the Cowboys and the Vikings both still have playoff chances.
Speaker 2: They're gonna You're gonna show the game. Uh. Then after
Speaker 2: the Vikings game, it's a home game against the Chargers.
Speaker 5: Good team.
Speaker 2: Then you end the season with two road games in
Speaker 2: the NFC East Christmas. So after he plays the Chargers
Speaker 2: on a Sunday four days later on Christmas Day, you
Speaker 2: gotta go to Washington. It'll be cold, cold as a
Speaker 2: division game.
Speaker 4: No Jaden Damiels though unfortunately it's a noon game on Netflix,
Speaker 4: by the way, noon game on Netflix.
Speaker 2: And then the final game is a either January third
Speaker 2: or fourth. They'll decide what they're gonna do against the
Speaker 2: Giants at that point in time, depending on how things
Speaker 2: are will anybody want to win that game?
Speaker 3: I'd have been a part of those type of records
Speaker 3: where you get to that last game and you're just like, man,
Speaker 3: what we do.
Speaker 5: Already be packed down.
Speaker 3: Our Brookie season we was we was bad. I was
Speaker 3: aways Yea, it was bad going in to Philadelphia. Man,
Speaker 3: it was the first Like after the first quarter, I
Speaker 3: had about og at the time, Gerald sens of balls Church.
Speaker 2: You won't get some action, We'll get some reps. Like man,
Speaker 2: so let me ask this. This is just just something
Speaker 2: I've always wonted got some Vorner players. Now you gotta
Speaker 2: tell truth. You get to a game like that season
Speaker 2: shot and gone, do you even want to play? From
Speaker 2: the stand point you want to get hurt. The last
Speaker 2: thing you want to do is get hurt in the
Speaker 2: final game. It doesn't matter, you.
Speaker 4: Know, Like it's it's one of those type of things
Speaker 4: whereas we always talked about to play for pride and
Speaker 4: everything else like that, But at the same time, you're
Speaker 4: playing with your boys, you know, and so we didn't
Speaker 4: all roll through this terrible ride together. We're gonna finish
Speaker 4: this ride together, you know what I'm saying. So at
Speaker 4: the end of it, you know, there's gonna be a
Speaker 4: little morality at that game. You know, we know it
Speaker 4: ain't for nothing but for in giggles more so than anything.
Speaker 4: But we're gonna go out here, we're gonna put it down.
Speaker 3: You want to play because, like you said, you wish
Speaker 3: your dolls. But man, the two times that happened to me,
Speaker 3: like I said, that rookie season, and it sucks when
Speaker 3: you when you're going out there and the other team
Speaker 3: is good and they're going to the playoffs, and they
Speaker 3: like they treated like a preseason game.
Speaker 2: So they're like, hey, all.
Speaker 3: The you know backups you're playing against, you know, rookies
Speaker 3: and practice squaderity. Just dudes, because they're already getting ready
Speaker 3: for the playoffs. It makes you not even want to play.
Speaker 3: Then you're going to get a third or fourth string quarterback.
Speaker 2: And you're just like the trying like hard or they
Speaker 2: going finishing blocks, they trying to get seen. No brother
Speaker 2: ain't no brother, no brother in law, ain't know, like
Speaker 2: come on, let me let me usher you out of bound.
Speaker 2: And they trying to lower the shoulder. They they fresh
Speaker 2: because they ain't playing all season. Man. Now that's the worst.
Speaker 3: That's that's the worst type of situation to be there
Speaker 3: right there where you're like, you want to get cats
Speaker 3: going one hundred miles an hour. Ain't had a playoff season,
Speaker 3: so they fresh, fresh legs strength.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, get me out of here, man.
Speaker 5: My first league is like that. We went eight and
Speaker 5: eight every year, you know, and so like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you ain't doing nothing. You're an average team.
Speaker 4: You got at home, and it's one of those type
Speaker 4: of things where like you got to have a little
Speaker 4: bit of pride and dignity about you.
Speaker 5: That's that's gonna help you get through the game.
Speaker 2: But Yo, it sucks.
Speaker 4: It is bad, just like you said, especially when you
Speaker 4: know the other team you're in go to the playoffs
Speaker 4: and you going home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dudes then packed up their stuff.
Speaker 4: They got their cars on the on on the shipping
Speaker 4: carts and everything else.
Speaker 5: They ready to go home.
Speaker 3: It's ben. Then I got teammates on the other squad
Speaker 3: getting ready for the playoffs. They coming out there in
Speaker 3: just a jersey. Hey turned back. Good luck today.
Speaker 2: Man. You do your thing and I'm over there over
Speaker 2: even seeds and stuff like they used to have me hot. Man.
Speaker 2: I gotta get better. So your games, your final two
Speaker 2: games for the Cowboys Christmas Christmas Day in DC, it
Speaker 2: will be cold, and then the final game in January
Speaker 2: at the middle ends, it's gonna be cold.
Speaker 4: Again, cold again, and so so so so numerically, all right,
Speaker 4: if the Cowboys say they went out, I mean they
Speaker 4: still got a chance to actually do something.
Speaker 3: They went out, there'll be eleven eleven, five and one, right,
Speaker 3: so yeah they'll be good. They get a chance, but
Speaker 3: they gotta win out.
Speaker 2: They got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the best they could do. They can only lose.
Speaker 3: World War Game says it.
Speaker 2: So I'm what you're doing in but I ain't happening
Speaker 2: after the season. You know, we know this is you
Speaker 2: gona this is this is twenty twenty five. Come twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Five, you're still going, bro y'all want y'all want it
Speaker 3: on be? We can go right after the last that's
Speaker 3: what that just twenty twenty six. Man, that's what I'm.
Speaker 2: Paying ged it bet for man, no stipulation. That's when
Speaker 2: I'm going. That's what y'all want me to pay. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: What you want you good? I pay my best so
Speaker 3: you won't eat. We're going right after that week. We
Speaker 3: go right after that game.
Speaker 2: You're so black baby, Well what you want that? Dirk
Speaker 2: the whiskey t ball? You want to be right there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, still gonna be good.
Speaker 2: Thought he want to get a Christmas niggas.
Speaker 5: I thought you was going for my birthday?
Speaker 2: Can I get it? Can I get it right on
Speaker 2: my birthday? My birthday coming up? In the simple Man,
Speaker 2: we're gonna eat right here. Related I got and I
Speaker 2: got you. I ain't going you know, I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: be there. I got you, I got you. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be good. It'll be good too. Trust sauce on there
Speaker 2: to be good. Don't trust me, trust me, there'd be
Speaker 2: some damage. Like Quinny Williams is gonna hang out with
Speaker 2: he can pay for it to.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Dor said it was fun, very church. It was fun.
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