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Speaker 1: What's going on, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Point Game. I'm CJ. Toldano alongside my co host Isaiah Thomas,

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Speaker 1: and this week we're gonna preview Christmas Day games, my

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Speaker 1: favorite time of the year, and of course we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit of an NBA Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: But first it everyone who's been follwing you on socials

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Speaker 1: saw that you were back in Boston. It feels like

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Speaker 1: they're showing you a lot of love this season, So

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Speaker 1: just tell us what was going on out there. It

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Speaker 1: looked like a lot of fun. It's just great to

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Speaker 1: see you in that in that arena as well.

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Speaker 2: It was dope. It was a cool little time. Me

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Speaker 2: and my wife went out there. The Celtics. I brought

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Speaker 2: us out there for they're doing like some legendary moments

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Speaker 2: things throughout the year of you know, dope moments throughout

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Speaker 2: I guess guys careers. So we played they they had

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Speaker 2: brought me out to honor me for the fifty two

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Speaker 2: point game against Miami Heat years back, a deep tree,

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Speaker 2: and then they happened to play the Miami Heat, you know,

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Speaker 3: It was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It was dope to just like, that's my first time

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Speaker 2: really being in that arena as a fan, which is crazy,

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Speaker 2: you know, like that's one of my first times sitting

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Speaker 2: down and watching the game like a fan. It was

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Speaker 2: super dope, the love they showed me and my wife.

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Speaker 2: I got to be next to the new owner like

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Speaker 2: he was super cool, So the the atmosphere was dope.

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Speaker 2: Being back in Boston obviously is always cool.

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Speaker 3: The love is amazing.

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Speaker 2: One thing I want to do though, maybe even later

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Speaker 2: on this season, is bring my kids back because they

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Speaker 2: haven't been in a minute, and for them to experience

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Speaker 2: that type of love at this age would be super dope.

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Speaker 2: So shout out to the Celtics, man, shout out to

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Speaker 2: the to the community all. We did a community event

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Speaker 2: out there too. It was dope.

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Speaker 3: We went to a local high school and.

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Speaker 2: Did a community event just to bring back old times. Man.

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Speaker 2: In case anybody didn't know, back in twenty seventeen, we

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Speaker 2: won the NBA Community Assist Award. So anytime I'm back

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Speaker 2: in Boston, we try to do work in the community

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Speaker 2: because it's just it's only right. So it was it

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Speaker 2: was a dope moment for myself, for my wife obviously,

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Speaker 2: for my family and my time in Boston.

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Speaker 3: So shout out to the Celtics for making that haven.

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Speaker 1: That's dope and it's obviously much deserved. But you know,

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Speaker 1: and people posting on social and stuff. I even saw you.

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Speaker 1: You had quote Tweeter like just sign you already, and

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Speaker 1: I think I speak for everybody like that'd be dope

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Speaker 1: to see you get back in that uniform.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's only right. It's like, man, it makes sense,

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Speaker 2: just sign me for they ended it, Let me go

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Speaker 2: out on my own. I help in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: If you want to play me, I'm ready and I

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Speaker 2: can definitely help. But if not, it's all good.

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Speaker 1: We see all the social posts people are commenting that

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Speaker 1: as well, so it's not it's not us even trying

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Speaker 3: The people know.

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Speaker 2: It just makes sense all sides though, playing side business

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Speaker 2: side is bringing in more brand for you all of that.

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Speaker 1: What were there any stories of because obviously we see

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Speaker 1: the people commenting, We see all the awesome videos and content,

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Speaker 1: but like, what are people saying to you as you're

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Speaker 1: just you know, walking in that arena, walking through the

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Speaker 1: city of Boston, you know, visiting your old spots, Like

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Speaker 1: how much of the time you spent there meant to them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy, like you would I always speak

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Speaker 2: anytime I go to Boston. It's crazy. I'm not paying

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Speaker 2: for nothing. It's like, it's like this time was obviously

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Speaker 2: cause it's it's crazy. My oldest son said that, like

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Speaker 3: For them to be able to experience that.

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Speaker 1: Well, they have to be scrolling and see the highlights

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Speaker 1: and the edits people were making like what they see it.

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Speaker 2: They know what it is, they know, but they don't

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Speaker 2: give me my like they be hating on me too,

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Speaker 3: I was that dude at all. But it's all good,

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Speaker 3: Like it's that's how it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: My son and I'm not an a player, but my son,

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Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, I play pick up the other

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Speaker 1: day and my my son just very seriously, he's four

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, because he knows I work, you know,

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Speaker 1: I work with pro affics, And he's like, if you

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Speaker 1: basketball player. And it's just, you know, these kids say

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Speaker 2: Say they say some funny things. This is crazy, but

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Speaker 2: it's it's cool for sure.

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Speaker 1: It's cool. Okay, let's get into Christmas Day games because

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Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite times here, like you know,

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Speaker 1: for me at least, and a lot of fans out there.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Christmas traditions, but the biggest Christmas tradition to me

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Speaker 1: outside of spending time with family and opening presents and

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Speaker 1: getting a whole slate of games. You know, very special,

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Speaker 1: meaningful matchouts like team you know, the best teams play

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Speaker 1: against each other. It just there's it's not Christmas Day

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Speaker 1: some of the big ones, get your thoughts and predictions.

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Speaker 1: The first one we talked about it you actually you've

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on what that day and that what

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Speaker 1: that game, how special was compared to other games? And

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Speaker 1: you actually played an MSG and remind everyone what was that?

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Speaker 1: What was that game? Like I think what was it?

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Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen, sixteen sixteen?

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Speaker 2: Okay sixteen, Yeah, now we played in MSG. It was

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Speaker 2: Like as a kid, like you just said, like, I'm

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Speaker 2: up in New York on Christmas. That's obviously like a

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Speaker 2: so you couldn't beat it, Like even though it was Christmas,

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Speaker 2: the next year I actually was hurt when I was

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Speaker 2: then years later I was on the Lakers. We played

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Speaker 2: I got a DMP. But it's still it's still dope

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Speaker 2: to be able to play or be able to suit

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Speaker 2: I've had a few little experiences that's been really cool

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Speaker 1: Reminder, in that next game, you had twenty seven. You

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Speaker 1: I used to do the Christmas uniforms. And I know

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Speaker 1: we're constantly like NBA listen to us, listen to fan

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Speaker 1: I'm a Lakers fan, so it hurts me to say this.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics ones are perfect because they're the green with

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Speaker 3: Those are so dope.

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Speaker 2: Those are so dope and I had the red head

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Speaker 2: I don't even like red like that, but it only

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Speaker 3: Gotta go back to wearing your own team jersey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like all of that type of stuff is just

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Speaker 2: So for me to experience those moments as a player,

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Speaker 2: And then the New York game on top of that,

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Speaker 2: it's so early. We got back to Boston in time

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Speaker 2: the way around. It was cool for my family.

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Speaker 1: Bro Okay, so bring back the Christmas Jrese. It wasn't broke.

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Speaker 1: Why fix it?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Even with the little snowflake hit, I don't think it

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Speaker 3: Know, we had it on they like it was.

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Speaker 2: It was perfect, Like they gotta bring back the Christmas

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Speaker 2: Day jerseys. It just makes it just that much better. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I got my shorts. I'm a shorts collector, so I

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Speaker 2: got I got a couple of teams Christmas Day shorts.

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Speaker 1: All right, might have to mock some up.

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Speaker 3: We might.

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Speaker 1: We I t you gotta you gotta get us a

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Speaker 1: pitch meeting with Adam Silver. Will go in there, We'll

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Speaker 1: walk up some designs. We'll get these Christmas uniforms back

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Speaker 1: make the day. It's special already, but these are the

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Speaker 1: small things that made it even more special. And like

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Speaker 1: it was special.

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Speaker 3: It's only right.

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Speaker 2: It's a Christmas it should be one of one, Like

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Speaker 3: That's fifty five.

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Speaker 2: I feel you, I mean to each his own fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay. Moving on MAVs Warriors. Cooper Flag, who's

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Speaker 2: Have you played on Christmas? All of them like Toms

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Speaker 2: The only reason why I got Minnesota winning is because

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Speaker 1: And a reminder that this was a really cool story

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Speaker 2: And it's gonna be like, man, put him in, like

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Speaker 1: welcome back on Point Game. We are now gonna talk

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Speaker 1: NBA Hall of Fame because the eligible candidates for for

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Speaker 1: there's some guys on here who are really relevant to

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Speaker 1: know you we've talked about it a million times on

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Speaker 2: Of the names that I just listened, first, you gotta

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Speaker 4: Want Barbara to Crawford. Crawford for Crude, Tamaal Crawford from Downtown,

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Speaker 1: Dow's It Again, Pastor Suck back Board, Jamaal Trufford with

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Speaker 3: Shot for LA. That's big bro right there.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to him like it's even an honor to be,

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Speaker 2: that was an amazing feat obviously to be even be

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Brandon Roy, who's short.

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Speaker 2: That's how much of an impact, you know, he had

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Speaker 2: to be able to play five years, four to five

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Speaker 2: shout out to Candas Parker who changed the game. Big

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Speaker 2: shout to her, one of the greatest of all times

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Speaker 2: in the women's game. Everybody who was nominated, I as

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Speaker 1: Well, what's so interesting? And this is just you know,

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Speaker 1: some of those toxic debates you get in with your

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Speaker 1: with your friends and stuff, is like, oh, why should

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Speaker 1: this person get in the Hall of Fame. They don't

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Speaker 1: have rings, they don't got MVPs, and some of these

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Speaker 1: guys they don't, So like, what do you think makes

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Speaker 1: that's a Hall of Famer if not rings, He's like,

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Speaker 1: here's a great example, Robert or seven titles not in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. So you got guys like this,

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Speaker 1: Like what sort of impact, what sort of accomplishments do

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Speaker 1: you think should qualify you to be nominated for the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's it's tough. The criteria probably changes every other year,

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Speaker 2: but man, I don't I honestly don't know, because even

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Speaker 2: you said Joe Johnson, Joe Johnson scored twenty thousand points

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Speaker 2: in his career, so that he's a what eight time

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Speaker 2: All Star?

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Speaker 3: Like he did he didn't win a ring.

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Speaker 2: But it's tough, man talking about that because like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Robert Ory won seven rings, but like, individually, did he

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Speaker 2: have a Hall of Fame career? Yes, he won, He

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Speaker 2: was on really good teams, he was impactful, he had

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Speaker 2: a real impact on winning those championships, But that does

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Speaker 2: that allow him to be a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 3: Like Hall of.

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Speaker 2: Fame is like, yeah, the best of the best, but

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Speaker 2: even like a guy like Jamal Crawford, he's only two

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Speaker 2: guys that won the sixth Man of the Year three times, like,

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Speaker 2: and he's close to twenty thousand points and he's played

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Speaker 2: twenty years in the NBA, So like, how isn't he

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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 3: But how is he? I don't know, Like it's it's

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Speaker 3: so it's.

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Speaker 2: Tough, man, Like that thing is tough. That thing is

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Speaker 2: tough because is it about winning? Is it about your

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Speaker 2: individual success?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, Like I wish I could be

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Speaker 2: in a room with the guys they vote, Like what

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Speaker 2: do they see?

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Speaker 3: What do they what do they base it off of?

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Speaker 2: Because even some guys that are getting inducted, not saying

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Speaker 2: they shouldn't, but like they I don't know, it's a

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Speaker 2: it's a tough conversation, man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we just got to look into it more

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Speaker 1: because how do they score these things? Like there's gotta

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Speaker 1: be like some sort of chart, right or categories of points,

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Speaker 1: you know, because like and it's like accomplishment stat line

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Speaker 1: stuff obviously, but like we're talking here, I think Blake

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Speaker 1: was just like a so explosive. You know, he got

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Speaker 1: into the culture because of like his dunking style, but

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Speaker 1: then he you know, changed his game into this post up,

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Speaker 1: you know, mid range guy. It just was like sort

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Speaker 1: of important to this new NBA Jamal too. You know journeyman,

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Speaker 1: but also just like handles no one's ever seen. And

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Speaker 1: then also yeah, just like revolutionize that six man role.

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Speaker 1: These aren't things that really show up on paper, but

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Speaker 1: when you talk to the basketball fan, they're like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, favorite player, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Like it's even like but even not to cut you off,

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Speaker 2: even like your peers respect is big. Yeah, you go

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Speaker 2: around and have respect from your peers. That for for

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Speaker 2: most athletes, the peers respect means more than media means

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Speaker 2: more than anything because guys, no game recognized game and

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Speaker 2: who is who got it and who don't. So it's

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Speaker 2: I wish I could get a list of like the

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Speaker 2: criteria of the voting, like how they go about that,

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Speaker 2: on who they vote for, or how a guy gets

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Speaker 2: inducted or nominated based off what he's done, because I

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Speaker 2: bet there's a lot of guys.

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Speaker 3: That should be nominated, should be inducted, but they aren't.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think one thing, if you're MVP, you automatic Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame, like Dereck Rohle should be automatic Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: no session about it, first ballot. If you want an MVP,

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Speaker 2: you should be first ballot Hall of Fame no matter what.

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Speaker 2: You could play two years in the league and one

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Speaker 2: MVP one of them years, you're Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you're like the best of a

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Speaker 1: certain type of player, like this is this isn't self propaganda,

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Speaker 1: But like I t when we talk about smaller guards

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Speaker 1: and then accomplishment and sayven if you know you did

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Speaker 1: it in a small way.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Little guards? It should be

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Speaker 3: six foot in under Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I'm in there the pack all of that kill you

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Speaker 2: on that.

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Speaker 3: It's just I.

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Speaker 1: Think everyone is saying it in the comments. You know,

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Speaker 1: the highlights speak for itself like no one was doing that.

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Speaker 1: No one was doing it.

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Speaker 3: That's funny.

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Speaker 2: No, it should be broken up to ship like that

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Speaker 2: because impact is real.

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Speaker 3: Impact on the game of basketball is real.

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Speaker 2: It speaks volumes other than the stat sheet and numbers.

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Speaker 2: But I get all the other criterias based on I

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Speaker 2: just wish we had a direct list on what it

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Speaker 2: goes on because a guy like Robert Ory's at the

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Speaker 2: crib like, how ain't I in the Hall of Fame?

533
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Speaker 2: I got seven rings, I got this and that. So

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Speaker 2: I hope in the future we can get what they

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Speaker 2: base it off of so we can so we can

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Speaker 2: have our own list of Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: You think they should open it up to fan vote

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Speaker 1: a little bit, even if it's.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no no no.

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Speaker 3: I got love for the fans because they showed me

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Speaker 3: the most love.

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Speaker 2: But no, no, should be. I don't know how they

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Speaker 2: do it. Maybe the fans have a small percentage, but

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Speaker 2: yeah nah because no, no, no, no, it got it.

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Speaker 2: But the voting system gotta be different to it shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: Some of these voters shouldn't have a vote.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I don't know how much they're watching basketball,

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Speaker 1: how much they're.

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Speaker 2: We don't know who they really like, you know, because

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Speaker 2: it's really it gets personal as well in terms of

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Speaker 2: guys who don't like guys. Guys got friendships with guys,

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Speaker 2: so I know how political that thing can be. So

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Speaker 2: it's just got to be. I need to be in

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Speaker 2: the meetings. I need to I need to see what

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Speaker 2: they go off of.

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Speaker 1: You got some playing, You got some years to play

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Speaker 1: before you you're in those.

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Speaker 2: Meetings off for sure, in a couple of years. I

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Speaker 2: need to be in those meetings just to see what

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Speaker 2: they base it off of.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to go into our segment that

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Speaker 1: we've been just shout out using this this platform to

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Speaker 1: shout out the players who the media isn't necessarily spotlighting.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're not showing their highlights and honorn't giving

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Speaker 1: them awards every week. You get the point Game Award

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Speaker 1: over here. This is the no days off awards. So

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Speaker 1: who do you got from watching watching the league in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, Who's really showing out and

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Speaker 1: getting your attention?

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna go with shout out to my

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Speaker 2: guy over Utah Utah Jazz Kyant George. Yes, sir, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: been really hooping, been really doing his thing, somebody who

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Speaker 2: has real hoop game. Obviously the Utah Jazz are not

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Speaker 2: always in the spotlight, but somebody the league needs.

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Speaker 3: To show love to. For sure.

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Speaker 2: He's been doing this thing the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 2: really been been showing he's one of the young one

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Speaker 2: of one of the young up and coming talents in

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Speaker 2: the league. So no day No Days Off award for

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Speaker 2: me goes to Kiante George. We're there with the Utah Jazz.

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Speaker 2: Keep doing your thing, slow grind, Stay on your slow grind.

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Speaker 2: We're watching, if nobody's watching, we're tapped into how you're

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Speaker 2: killing it this year.

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Speaker 3: So stay on it, stay the course, keep doing your thing, bro.

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Speaker 1: And I'll add to that. They played the Lakers the

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Speaker 1: other day, and this is how you know you're you're

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Speaker 1: getting on the radar even you know, outside of us,

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Speaker 1: is that they asked Lebron to like, hey, do you

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Speaker 1: think Kyante deserves me an All Star? And he goes,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm too busy watching golf YouTube. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, you know, when the back was mind, He's

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Speaker 1: just like, yeah, Kante took it to us.

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Speaker 2: Oh he got game. You know, he's a hooper. Lebron

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Speaker 2: is a hooper. He knows, he knows when somebody got game.

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Speaker 2: That young that young kid got game. Man, he's a killer.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four and seven. Let's see, we'll see if.

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Speaker 3: He means man. Come on, he got to get a

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Speaker 3: few more wins in. But he's doing his thing.

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Speaker 1: Well that's okay. This is maybe in a sign note

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Speaker 1: to Utah because we don't really we haven't talked about them,

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Speaker 1: but like they're in this weird thing where they're like,

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Speaker 1: are you guys tanking or you guys like, for sure,

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Speaker 1: you guys got but they got sneaky young guys who

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Speaker 1: would like, hey, if you guys play a little bit,

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Speaker 1: like you knock off some of the good teams every

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Speaker 1: once in.

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Speaker 2: A while over there, you know what he's doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like they they they're gonna show glimpses of beating good teams,

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Speaker 2: of having good games against good teams. But at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, it's it's December. They ain't trying

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Speaker 2: to win. They're trying to They trying to position theyself

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Speaker 2: for another high draft pick exactly there.

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Speaker 3: You know what it is. They're they're they're they're not

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Speaker 3: they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: But but shout out to the Jazz because they're showing

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Speaker 2: flashes of being really a really good team.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be They're gonna be one of those teams,

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Speaker 1: especially with Ange when you get these these like gms

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Speaker 1: or these guys in the front office who know what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. They'll be bad, they'll be at the bottom,

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Speaker 1: they going losing streaks, and the next year they're in

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Speaker 1: the conference finals and you're like, this happens. It's like

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Speaker 1: they're building slow grind.

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Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, for sure they got a strategically build.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's been no days off and this has

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Speaker 1: been another episode of point game. Guys, we hope you

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Speaker 1: have an incredible Christmas. Be safe, spend some time with

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Speaker 1: your family, watch Hoop it any any parting words for

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Speaker 1: the Christmas crowd.

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Speaker 2: Man, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Stay on your slow grind.

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Speaker 2: Tap in with us at all times because we're talking

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Speaker 2: that hoop you already know.

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Speaker 1: Peace, guys,