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I don't know. 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 4: I just better off whispering. 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 3: But nonetheless, there is apparently a problem when it comes 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: to the NFL Draft that I was unaware of that 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: this was a thing until Brady had pointed it out. 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: But the second round picks of the draft, there's only 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: two that have been signed, So two of the thirty 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 3: two have signed and are ready to go and good 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: to go for the season, and apparently we're handed out 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: guaranteed contracts which may or may not have an impact 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: on the other thirty that are currently not signed. What 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: is the problem that some of these agents are facing 27 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: when it comes to how this is playing out? 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: Because is this different? I don't recall this happening before. 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: No, it hasn't happened before. 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 5: That's what makes it really interesting is based on the 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 5: new draft salary pool, the first round is the only 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 5: round that has been given out guaranteed contracts. So this 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 5: year one of the things that surprised some people was 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: early on a couple of second round picks were able 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 5: to get guaranteed contracts, which then it sends a message 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 5: to the rest of the league a few different things. 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 5: Players are pushing for it. Right if you think about 38 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: it in the college level now, oftentimes those guys sign 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 5: a deal for a year or two years or whatever 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 5: it is, that money's coming to them as long as 41 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 5: they perform it in a way it's it's somewhat guaranteed. 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 5: There's different clauses within it. They're much more wise and 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 5: at tune with how these contracts work. So the players 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 5: and the parents are probably pushing the agent for it. 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 5: The agent now, especially since a couple have been done 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 5: that are fully guaranteed. This then puts more pressure on 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 5: other agents within that round to say, well, those guys 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 5: got it, why can't we get it? The other teams 49 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 5: have already set the precedent. So what's interesting about this 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 5: is is how this all came about. I don't know 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 5: if the NFLPA has been pushing for this, and find 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 5: there's some players and agents who have said, this is 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 5: what we're going to try to negotiate into your contract. 54 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 5: We're gonna try to get this thing fully guaranteed, and 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 5: we're gonna try to make it so it's not just 56 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 5: the first round, it's now the second round that's that's 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 5: fully guaranteed, which would be a big step in the 58 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 5: NFL pushing to try to get fully guaranteed deals like 59 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 5: the NBA, like the NHL, like Major League Baseball. And 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 5: then people will push back and say, well, they don't 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 5: have fully guaranteed deals. The vast majority do, so stop 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 5: stop that argument there. The vast majority do. Are there 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 5: two way contracts? Are there other contracts that maybe aren't 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 5: to that level, of course, but the vast majority of 65 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 5: contracts in those leagues are guaranteed. NFL players they talk 66 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 5: about wanting that, but they haven't really known how to 67 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 5: get there unless they are in a position where they 68 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 5: have leverage and they have the ability to go negotiate 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 5: that in free agency, because the rookie draft salary pool 70 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 5: has never been that outside of the first round, so 71 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 5: that had to be collectively bar And then now as 72 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 5: we push on into the second round, now that you're 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: starting to see some players get fully guaranteed deals, the 74 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 5: rest of the second round is they're all sitting there. 75 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 5: I mean, if you're an agent, if you're an agent 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 5: and you've got two of the players that have signed 77 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: fully guaranteed deals, not only are you having to deal 78 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 5: with the teams and you're saying, well, other teams in 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 5: the league have already done this, So whatever we're supposed 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 5: to be making, like, that's what we're going to make 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 5: and it's to be fully guaranteed. And that's what you're 82 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 5: saying to your team that drafted your your client, your 83 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 5: probably your your player, and the players sitting there saying 84 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 5: I hire you to be able to negotiate this sort 85 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 5: of deal, and are you telling me you can't give 86 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 5: me what those two guys got, maybe I should fire 87 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 5: you and go hire that guys my agent. So that's 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 5: the conversations that are being had right now with whoever 89 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 5: agent you know, whoever's agent that is for all these 90 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 5: players now in the second round. But I imagine it's going 91 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 5: to take some time before a lot of these guys 92 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 5: get signed, or they're gonna have to, you know, concede 93 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 5: and say, all right, maybe my deal is not fully guaranteed, 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 5: but ninety percent of it or ninety five percent of it, 95 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 5: which looks like you're taking a step back, or it 96 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 5: looks like your agent didn't do as good of a job. 97 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 5: So that's the conundrum right now that the second round 98 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 5: draft picks are in because they all want to go 99 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 5: and play. I mean, just so everyone understands out there, 100 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 5: every player wants to go and play. The problem is 101 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 5: is there's an extreme risk to all of it, not 102 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 5: only you know, your your physical injury, but your career too, 103 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 5: and not having the type of deal in place that 104 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 5: provide you some financial security. So there's no reason to 105 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 5: judge these young men who haven't agreed upon terms that 106 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 5: are being born into the NFL and trying to do 107 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 5: the best they can to navigate this league so they'll 108 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 5: get sorted out. But the two early on contracts that 109 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 5: were signed that were fully guaranteed in the second round, 110 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 5: that's what's led us to this point where it's it 111 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 5: might be a while before we see the entire second 112 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 5: round draft or that second round I'll have draft picks 113 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 5: all signed. 114 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Who are those players the two that signed the fully guaranteed. 115 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: Jayden Higgins and Carson Schwesssinger from the Browns. 116 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: I just I'm curious. Is I don't know those names, 117 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: by the way, so I don't know. Is that more 118 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: of a franchise decision or is it a worth decision? 119 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: Is it the worth of the player They value the 120 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: player at that level to do that type of contract 121 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: at the time that they did it, or you know, 122 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: is it just something that they they do as I 123 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: would be curious. Is that what they do with their 124 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: draft picks that they take at that point. 125 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 5: I don't know it has anything really to do with that, honest. 126 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 5: I mean, Jaden Higgins is a really good wide receiver 127 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 5: out of Iowa State. People thought he might have gone 128 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 5: in the first round, so it was a bit surprised 129 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 5: that you maybe slid to the second However, really good players, 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: so I guess you could say there's some value there. 131 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 5: But you know, Carson Schwushinger, who the Browns took at 132 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 5: the top of the second round, he's a linebacker. That's 133 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 5: not usually a position that you attribute to, you know, 134 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: putting a bunch. 135 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: Of guaranteed money into. 136 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 5: But I think they they believe he's not only can 137 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: start for their defense, it was a need for their defense, 138 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 5: a guy who's going to impact special teams as well, 139 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 5: so that there's a lot of, you know, ways in 140 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 5: which you can help out the roster. I don't know, 141 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 5: from like an analytical standpoint, I had anything to do 142 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 5: with that. I think this is the direction that the 143 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 5: NFLPA and a lot of a lot of agents are 144 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 5: trying to go. And one of the reasons why a 145 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 5: lot of players and agents, I should say we're probably 146 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 5: more agents haven't pushed for the idea of fully guaranteed 147 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 5: deals is because the dollars aren't going to look as big. 148 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 5: I mean, that's just the truth of the matter. You know, 149 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 5: not many guys are able to have a two hundred 150 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 5: and thirty million dollar fully guaranteed five year deal like 151 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson, and so all the deals that were signed 152 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 5: you know after that didn't stand up to his contract 153 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: because there is only a certain percentage or only two 154 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 5: or three years of guarantees within that contract. So because 155 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 5: of that, that never really allows the deal to be 156 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 5: fully guaranteed. 157 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: Which when it's fully. 158 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 5: Guaranteed, you've got an ownership that has to be invested 159 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 5: into that player. Now, how things have gone in Cleveland 160 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 5: would make you think that owners wouldn't want to do that, 161 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 5: which is what makes it even more interesting that the 162 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: thirty third pick is signed for a fully guaranteed deal 163 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 5: in the second round, which is precedent said it by 164 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 5: Jimmy Hasselm. So not only are owners upset with Jimmy 165 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 5: Haslm for the deal he gave to Shaun Watson at 166 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 5: the time at which he gave it to him, where 167 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 5: many would make the case based off off the field 168 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: issues and hadn't played and all those things that led 169 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 5: to it that he didn't deserve it. Now he's giving 170 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: a five year, fully guaranteed deal that other owners are saying, 171 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 5: hold on a second weak wink nod, nod, We agreed 172 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 5: not to do this right, like we do a three 173 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 5: year deal because Kirk Cousins did that and a lot 174 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: of these five or six year extensions. They've got about 175 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 5: three years of guarantees for the quarterback, so that's not 176 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 5: that big of a deal to us. But now we're 177 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 5: gonna be a five year, fully guaranteed deal. I mean, 178 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 5: old on, Jimmy, you're on an island on that one. 179 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 5: And now they do this to the second round. So 180 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 5: everyone's looking at it saying wait a second, which makes 181 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 5: even more interesting. I'd have to look. I don't know 182 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 5: if Quinn Sean Juggins is signed, but he was the 183 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 5: thirty six pick for the Browns, So is his deal. 184 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: Going to be fully guaranteed? 185 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 5: Because if you're his representation, you're saying to the Browns, well, 186 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 5: wait a second. 187 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Didn't you just. 188 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 5: Sign my boy Carson to a fully guaranteed deal? Why 189 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 5: I'm not getting that deal only three picks after him 190 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 5: or four picks after him? 191 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: Excuse me? 192 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: I mean it is I didn't even put two and 193 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: two together that well, So Jimmy hasm's giving out this 194 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: guaranteed contract as well too. I wonder if they presented 195 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: the option to them as Oh, here we go with 196 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: the guaranteed contract again, Like, no, no, no, but it's only 197 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: going to be eleven point eight million. 198 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's fine. Yeah, as long as it's. 199 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: Not that two thirty I did a few years ago 200 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: at that weirdo, everything should be fine here. 201 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's not a small number, but it isn't 202 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: a big number either, which is kind of weird to say. 203 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: But eleven million is a lot of money to guarantee. 204 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: But you know what you're getting in the draft because 205 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: they're slotted picks, right, you already know ahead of time 206 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: what you're going to pay the guy based upon the 207 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: position and the pick. That's kind of how it is now. 208 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know that there's going to 209 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: be tremendous pressure for the organizations to now start doing 210 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts. What what would be the pressure, what would 211 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: force what would force other owners to do it? I mean, 212 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to look at another owner and be like, Okay, 213 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: if Jimmy Haslam wants to do a guarantee contract for 214 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: a second rounder, then do it. That's that's your prerogative. 215 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: But we're not going to do it that way. Like 216 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, I don't feel like they would feel 217 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: pressure off of that. What what would lead to that 218 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: becoming a new standard? Why would that become a new standard. 219 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 5: Because they're the player won't sign, right, the player won't sign, 220 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: the agent won't tell them to do the deal. I mean, 221 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 5: that's where it again, it gets really interesting with the 222 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 5: tactics of all this. So if there's a snowball effect 223 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 5: and every single pick after the top two they got 224 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 5: fully guaranteed, don't sign and they stay united in this, 225 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 5: that's how you make, you know, improvement on it. And 226 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 5: your counter argument is exactly what Jonah said. You knew 227 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 5: what this would cost you. You knew what would cost 228 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 5: you in totality, and now you're telling us that you 229 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 5: don't want to pay that in fully guaranteed and it's 230 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 5: not that big of a contract. Like, Jimmy, this is argument, right, Jimmy, 231 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 5: you already guarantee a guy two in thirty million. You 232 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 5: want to guarantee eleven million. Like, what's what's the difference there? Oh, 233 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 5: there's a difference, a big difference. And so that's why 234 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 5: it's like, if you're willing to guarantee that, why when 235 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 5: you're willing to guarantee this, and you've already done it 236 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 5: for a player, like the precedent's setting of doing it 237 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 5: for one player in the draft that's three picks before him, 238 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 5: and not doing for the next guy. That's what gets interesting. 239 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: I think it sounds interesting to think that to say 240 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: that players won't sign because that's a risky deal. I 241 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: feel like that's you. You're you're risking things that way. 242 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: And if guys are brave enough to stand in there 243 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: and say we're going to stand together, which I can't say. 244 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: I knew a whole bunch of guys that I got 245 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: drafted with, I knew who they were as people, But 246 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: your business, your business. I don't think I talked to 247 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: any of the guys I got drafted with about, you know, 248 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: what they had going on contractually. So how would you 249 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: even get to a point of where it's like, you 250 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: know what, let's band together and let's all not signed, Like, 251 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: how would that even that? It sounds like it would 252 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: be easier said than to be executed. What do you 253 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: mean they have NFLPA meetings. 254 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: I mean they're part of the union now, so it's 255 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 5: not hard to think that the union when say to 256 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 5: these guys, hey, this is one of the methods we're 257 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 5: gonna use to try to get two more guaranteed contracts, 258 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 5: where if we could keep chipping away as subsequent rounds, 259 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 5: because once you get the second round done, then it 260 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: leads to the third round, and once you get a 261 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 5: few players in the third round, it leaves the third round. 262 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 5: Then it goes you know, you know, a spot spotifter spot. 263 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 5: Now there will come a breaking point at some point, 264 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 5: but that would be the strategy that they would try 265 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 5: to take. And I gotta be honest with you, it's 266 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: it's one of the better moves. 267 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: Like talk from. 268 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 5: Owner's perspective, but you're not an owner, So I'm talking 269 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 5: from the player's perspective of the agent's perspective, and. 270 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: I think that I want to speak them from a 271 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: player's perspective, not an owner's perspective. I'm saying, I don't 272 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: want to be the example of the one time where 273 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: it didn't go the way it was supposed to go. 274 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: Like I don't know that you've got a bad AFLPA. 275 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 5: Then you've got a bad agent and you and then 276 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 5: the NFLPA. Would you could take it up with them, 277 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 5: because they're they're most they're most likely the ones directing 278 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 5: you to do this, and on top of that, they're 279 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 5: not negotiating the value of the contract. Just to be 280 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 5: very very clear, the value of the contract is already done. Again, 281 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 5: those monies are allocated, they're part of their cap everything else, 282 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 5: it's just about guaranteeing those monies, which really comes down 283 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 5: to like an insurance policy in essence, like that's what 284 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: really comes down to is is this team willing to take, 285 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 5: you know, and be willing to risk that guaranteed money 286 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: in that player for the next four years. 287 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: It's the age old conversation of the whole idea of 288 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: guaranteed versus you have to be on the team in 289 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: order to get the money. If it's if you know 290 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: what you're going to pay. But you know, if you 291 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: know what you're going to pay a guy and it's 292 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: not guaranteed and there you let them go, then that 293 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: guy isn't going to make that money. 294 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 5: So they could try to know what you sure he's 295 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 5: not gonna make No, he's gonna make that money. They 296 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 5: can cut him. But if he's guaranteed, he's gonna make 297 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 5: that money. 298 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: If not, the thing is, if it's not guaranteed. 299 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 5: Sure that he's not going to and then and that's fine, 300 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 5: but we can't say that again, you're talking from the 301 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 5: owner's perspective. 302 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: Value. 303 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 5: It is because because the value of the contract, the 304 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 5: total value of the contract they're going to sign, is 305 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 5: the exact same. It doesn't matter if. 306 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: It's a game not receive all of that. But that's 307 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: that's in retroceive all of it that. 308 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 5: That's in retrospect. That's like, well, if he gets hurt 309 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 5: in year two too, he's going to receive all of it. 310 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 5: That's probably an injury split. Right, So that's in retrospect. 311 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 5: I'm just saying when they've signed the. 312 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: Value, there's still a difference in the value. 313 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 5: If it's a fully there's not on day on day one, 314 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 5: it's not because on day one when they sign it, 315 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 5: it's the same value on paper. Now they have to 316 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 5: go earn it, right, they have to be Therefore, to 317 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 5: your point, Hell, they could sign a fully guaranteed deal 318 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 5: on the d team the drafted them might not even 319 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: be paying them. They could get traded in another team 320 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 5: ends up paying them. 321 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Right, but they have to be paid that money if 322 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: it's fully guaranteed. Sure, Sure, So that makes the value 323 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: of the contract different. 324 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 5: Well, and sure in your mind, if that's how you 325 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 5: want to place value on it, sure, yeah, live in it. 326 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: The total number that's stated on the contract is going 327 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 5: to be saying regardless, there's just whether or not there's 328 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 5: guarantees in it. 329 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: If you're telling me, I don't want to keep arguing it. 330 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. I understand what. 331 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand what you're saying too. I'm just saying 332 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 5: I'm not really sure what you're trying to get. I mean, 333 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: these players are obviously. 334 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: What I'm getting at is is that if I know 335 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: what the value of the pick is going into it 336 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: because it's already slotted, there's no reason for me to 337 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: guarantee it, because that now becomes more value added to 338 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: that contract in terms of I have to I am 339 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: on the hook for paying that amount of money in 340 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: full versus if I just do the contract the way 341 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: that it is. Yeah, the year three, I may get 342 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: the year three and not at this moment, I'm talking 343 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: from from what I'm. 344 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 5: Saying, you're taking the owner's perspective on it. 345 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I want to be able 346 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: to get from underneath this player, and and why would 347 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: I guarantee a kid in the second round, third round 348 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: if well. 349 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 5: Because they're still offsets, right, Like, if you trade a 350 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 5: guy and their money is guaranteed to him, another team 351 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 5: absorbs that contract, so you're not necessarily, you know, paying 352 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 5: for that just because it's guaranteed. If you end up 353 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 5: trading him and he's got that in his contract, another 354 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 5: team's absorbing that contract and there could be offsets with 355 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: other teams paying it. Does that make sense? 356 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: It does make sense. 357 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: I just that'd be that, that'd be your workaround. You 358 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 5: just put within the fully guaranteed deal. 359 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: If I have the value of actually doing that, then 360 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: that's a player that I'm most likely won on my team. 361 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: So I guess that then the value is I got 362 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: them at the guaranteed price that I have on Matt. 363 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know why I would want to guarantee that, 364 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: just me thinking out loud. Why would I Why would 365 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: I switch up to say it, I'm gonna guarantee the 366 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: whole entire contract when I'm looking at it like I 367 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: want to keep this second round draft pick motivated to 368 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: prove themselves, or something might happen on the roster where 369 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: another player ends up being better and I don't even 370 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: need this guy. 371 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 5: Maybe, Yeah, there's Look, we could go down the rabbit 372 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 5: hole of hypotheticals all day long, right, and I think 373 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 5: you can even make the case, well, I don't want 374 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 5: to pay this first round pick all this guaranteed money. 375 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: Right, Like, what would then that makes legitimized to understand that? 376 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: But but yeah, it would still be a conversation. 377 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 5: And in my rebuttal to that would be the real 378 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 5: money's made in the second contract. The real money's made 379 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 5: after you play out. Then Oh, there you go. So 380 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 5: there's a motivation one hundred so the general So again, 381 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 5: you could talk in circles around it. Sound like Pete Prisco. 382 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 5: I'm just saying the reality of what's happening in the 383 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 5: second round. 384 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: Do that my tank is real. I don't know what 385 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: you're saying. 386 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 5: All I'm saying is the reality of what's happening in 387 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 5: the second round is this push to guarantee these contracts. 388 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 5: And the one person who I think has made it 389 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 5: most complicated is Jimmy Haslam because he's already guaranteed one 390 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 5: of the guys in the first round, and he's already 391 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 5: got another guy in the second round who's going to 392 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 5: be looking for the same thing. So you would think logically, 393 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 5: if he did one three picks later, he's going to 394 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 5: do the next one, and that's going to set a 395 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 5: precedent along with what's happened with thirty three thirty four, 396 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 5: and it will subsequently happen. So I'm happy for the players. 397 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 5: I'm glad they're getting these guaranteed contracts. This is actually 398 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 5: a good step in the right direction for the NFLPA. 399 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 5: I'm for the players, always trying to be for the players, 400 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 5: and I think these agents are in a really tough 401 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 5: spot because if you think about the job of an agent, 402 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 5: when they charge a percentage of what they're going to 403 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 5: make off these deals, they have to be able to 404 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 5: justify their existence. So EXAs if someone presented the argument 405 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 5: that if the value of the contract, whether it's guaranteed 406 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 5: fully or not, is the value of the contract on paper, 407 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 5: wouldn't part of the value that the agents providing for 408 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 5: their fee be fully guaranteeing that contract. So that's where 409 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 5: this kind of comes into play too, with the agents 410 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 5: being a part of this trying to carve out the 411 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 5: value they provide to their client. Otherwise you'd sit there 412 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 5: and say, as a player, why should I go with 413 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 5: an agent at all? Why wouldn't I just use an 414 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 5: attorney to go look at the deal and look at 415 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 5: what the guy made last year and go handle the contract. 416 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: That's what they should do. 417 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 5: But well, but and here's and and here's the conversation 418 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 5: is that's what these agencies are now pushing for because 419 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 5: there's only so many things they can negotiate. So if 420 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: you're gonna pay the agent a percentage, you might as 421 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 5: well then push for getting a fully guaranteed deal. 422 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: And then their value agents are doing. They're not taking 423 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: money out of a first contracts either, though they're deferring 424 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: to take no no, no, no, no no no. Some 425 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: are doing that. 426 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 5: Subsid have made a standard of taking it out of 427 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 5: the first because they didn't do any in college. By 428 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 5: the way, that's happening too. 429 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: I think Rachel Luba, who was Trevor Bauer's agent, that 430 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: was one of their philosophies was why should we continue 431 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: to get paid every year that new money hits on 432 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: a contract. If I'm negotiating the contract once I get 433 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: paid once baseball player, Yeah, yeah, And so that was 434 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: that was one of their arguments. You know, back then, 435 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 3: and it should be you know, credit to Chris Cabot, 436 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: who's Jaden Higgins agent. 437 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 4: This has got to be a feather in his cap. 438 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: I mean to be able to go in there, get 439 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 3: the first guaranteed contract for a second rounder and kind 440 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: of set the precedent like that, Hey, this is how 441 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 3: I operate, This is how this works, and get them 442 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: eleven million. 443 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Plus guarantee, set the standard. 444 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: What do you mean one's already following on, followed along. 445 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, David Mullagata give him the Credit's got 446 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: to take all of the credit. I got you because 447 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: he puts the athletes first. 448 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 4: That's right. 449 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: He's a part of athletes first. I believe. What's that? 450 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: He is a part of the athletes first. I believe. Yeah, 451 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: he puts the athletes first. Of course he does. You 452 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: know that was the point? 453 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, gotta be uh putting everything first, 454 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: like back pain. 455 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: You got back that. 456 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 5: First, Well, I'll tell you what, You're not gonna have 457 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 5: as much backpen if you had a guaranteed contract, trust me. 458 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 5: But when you get that guaranteed contract, you know you 459 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 5: gotta do go get yourself a nice bed nowhere else 460 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 5: better to find that nice bed a mattress firm. 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And it 492 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 3: feels like coaching staffs, not just the head coaches, but 493 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: coaching staffs around college football there braden are moving and 494 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: shaking when it comes to well. 495 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, so over the last four years, there's a study 496 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 5: that was done and sixty three on field coaches have 497 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 5: changed jobs. Okay, just in the past two years, we've 498 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 5: seen sixty one programs within the FBS level, there's one 499 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 5: hundred and thirty four teams, that's about forty five percent 500 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 5: have made a change at head coach. So we're already 501 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 5: seeing the I guess ramifications of NIL, the transfer portal 502 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 5: coaches who are trying to leave to go be in 503 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 5: other positions where they're coaching with less responsibilities, they move 504 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 5: on to the NFL level. The one thing that's been 505 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 5: good in all of this change has been at least 506 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 5: coaches at lower levels have been able to move up. 507 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 5: So we've seen a number of increases and coaches being 508 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 5: hired from the FCS level to the FBS level, or 509 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 5: even Division two, Division three NAIA to FBS level, and 510 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 5: even at the high school to FBS level. So you're 511 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 5: seeing younger coaches from lower levels coming up with a 512 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 5: lot of these different programs, these bigger programs and getting 513 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 5: an opportunity. So I guess there's a bright spot there now. 514 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 5: The cause and effects most likely NIL being allowed at 515 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 5: the high school level in some places where these coaches 516 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 5: at the high school level kind of prove themselves and 517 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 5: their ability at private schools all over to be able 518 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: to recruit, facilitate all these things and not being beneficial 519 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 5: and improving their value there probably looks beneficial to an 520 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 5: FBS program, but it's definitely been a tumultuous you know, 521 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 5: four years or so as far as all the changes 522 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 5: that we've seen on the field with head coaches, assistant coaches, 523 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 5: and how it's impacted universities. So it's kind of crazy 524 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 5: when you take into account all the changes within the 525 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 5: coaching staffs, and then you take into account the college 526 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 5: football calendar and how chaotic it's become with the transfer portal, 527 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 5: two different windows for that, an early signing period that 528 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 5: hits in December January, and on top of that, an 529 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 5: expanded season with they expanded college football playoffs. So a 530 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 5: lot has been thrown the plate of these head coaches 531 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 5: at the college football level, but also all the coaches 532 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 5: that are on those staffs now who are tasked with 533 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: not even what the on field product looks like, but 534 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 5: making sure they're still recruiting. There's still evaluating kids at 535 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 5: the high school and college level, making sure there's still 536 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 5: going to class everything that goes along with that. 537 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: It's a lot. So that's a lot, man. 538 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: If you're if you're a head coach, so now you 539 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 3: it's recruiting, it's ni l re recruiting your own players 540 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: so they don't leave to go elsewhere, and then having 541 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: to replenish your staff if they decide to go elsewhere 542 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 3: every single offseason. 543 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: Because that's yeah, that's what's happening. I mean, you look 544 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: at I just look no further than Penn State. You 545 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: look at what's taking place there over the last few years. 546 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we had Brent Pry who was 547 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: an amazing defensive coordinator for our team. Love Brent Pray. 548 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: He ends up going to Virginia Tech. You know, We're 549 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: able to bring in Manny Diaz. Manny Diaz does an 550 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: amazing job. He ends up going to Duke, you know, 551 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: and now we we we we end up now having 552 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: a coach for a year that wants to go back 553 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: home and be close to his family, apparently, the report says, 554 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: and he goes and takes a job with Clemson. Right, 555 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: So we had we've had three defensive coordinators over what 556 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: the last four to five years of time, and now 557 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: we have a new one this year. And what we 558 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: have with in Knowles, And I mean, we took him 559 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: away from Ohio State. You know, I felt good about that. 560 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: We took cold and Niki because we needed an offensive coordinator. 561 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: We took him away from where he was at. But 562 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: then you see, we get hit, right, then they take 563 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: Jay one sider away from us, and that's Notre Dame 564 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: that took him from from our school. So it just 565 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: looking no further than Penn State in terms of like 566 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: what this coaching landscape looks like. That musical chairs thing 567 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: is very real. I feel like the thing that it 568 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: makes me wonder the most is when you look at 569 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: what football, college football has represented. It's represented tradition, it's 570 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: represented legacy, It's represented so many different things. And maybe 571 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm you know, I'm guess I'm spoilt because I 572 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: did have the same coaches the entire time. You know, 573 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: I look at guys for generation after generation. I could 574 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: go back and my teammates they had the same you know, 575 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: my alumni they had to say Letterman, they had the 576 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: same coaches. And it just seems interesting because to me, 577 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: it's the pride of everybody who's involved as to what 578 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: really really drives college football. And I don't I think 579 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: that that's now coming to an end. I don't think 580 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: that you're going to have those those emotions and those 581 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: feelings like like old school, old time quarterback or excuse me, 582 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: coaches for the schools what they want had because everybody's 583 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: on the move so quickly, and so now it's like, 584 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: what is the what is the collective identity of these teams? Now? 585 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: What is the collective belief of these teams? If coaches 586 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: are moving so often. Now, granted, we have our head coach, 587 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: so that culture is the culture based upon him being 588 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: there so long, But I mean for a lot of 589 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: these schools that isn't the case. Guys are on the move, 590 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: and you could have a head coach that respects you, 591 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: that recruited you, and you buy into their values, and 592 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: they could be gone in the next season, and now 593 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: you got to deal with a coach that didn't recruit you, 594 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: didn't bring you in. You guys might not fall or 595 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: align on the same values, and sometimes it doesn't align 596 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: with the school. I think it creates a lot of 597 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: interesting scenarios and dynamics because I don't know, it seems 598 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: like everybody's best interest is their own best interest in 599 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: today's new college football college sports. Maybe you know the 600 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: world of it in NIL, I want to get paid. 601 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: Maybe not directly connected to NIL, but a lot of 602 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: it has to do with that. 603 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of joe 604 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas 605 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: Knox with do you coming up next? 606 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: Here? 607 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: Though, we are going to have a Wednesday tradition. It's 608 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: the good, the bad, and the ugly our midweek awards 609 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: right here on FSR. 610 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 611 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and 612 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific. 613 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: It is two Pros and a Cup of Joe here 614 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knoxer 615 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 3: do you coming up? Top of next hour a little 616 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: over ten minutes from now, it is the old pe 617 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: time Petros Popadaykas will stop by again. That'll be yours 618 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: here a little over ten minutes from now, before we 619 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: get to our midweek awards. Though, a reminder that you 620 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: can check out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel. Just 621 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: search Fox Sports Radio on YouTube. You'll see a bunch 622 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 3: of video highlights from our shows. Be sure to subscribe 623 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: so you never miss our very best Fox Sports Radio 624 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: videos on YouTube. 625 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad, 626 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good, 627 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: bad and luggly all. 628 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 4: Right, lead to laugh, who's got what? 629 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: Well? 630 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 6: As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with 631 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 6: the good news, and you know it's a good week 632 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 6: because Brady Quinn is delivering the goods. 633 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 5: Holy crap, full name call, shout out there. And on 634 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 5: top of it, I get the good. 635 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: This is awesome. 636 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 5: I never get this opportity. 637 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: Great week. 638 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 5: It's a great week. What was good, maybe better than good, 639 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 5: was the WNBA. 640 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: That's right. 641 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 5: They did a full thorough investigation after some racist accusations 642 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 5: were made during the Chicago sky it had a fever game. 643 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 5: They found there was no racism, so we've got that. 644 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 5: It was a competitive game. It was a fun game 645 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 5: to watch for those that watched. It's unfortunate that the 646 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 5: sort of thing came about after the fact. However, after 647 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 5: a thorough investigation, there's been nothing founded whatsoever. 648 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: So that is good. 649 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 5: That's good this week? 650 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well you can't have good without the bad. Jonas, 651 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 6: what was bad this week? 652 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: The WNBA coverage. I'm sorry, man, I don't get it. 653 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: I don't understand every single story attached to that league 654 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 3: has something to do other than basketball highlights or and 655 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 3: I really don't know who's responsible for pushing out that stuff. 656 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: I don't know who's responsible for getting the messaging going 657 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: when it comes to the WNBA, but it's awful. 658 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 4: It's a racist chant. 659 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 3: It's some sort of a backlash because somebody doesn't like 660 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: so and so Caitlin Clark's injury. 661 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 4: Which, by the way, we talked about yesterday. 662 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 3: The ticket prices are just dropping drastically for games that 663 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: she's now not going to appear in because she's got 664 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 3: this injury, Britney Griner, all all the other things that 665 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: go along with it. None of it is about the highlights. 666 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 3: None of it is about the great plays. It's all 667 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: the messaging about all the other stuff either on the 668 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: court that are said because people are bitter about the 669 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 3: coverage Kaitlyn Clark gets or Ryan Clark and by the way, 670 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 3: no relation to Kaitlyn Clark for those wondering Ryan Clark 671 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,479 Speaker 3: and RG three going. Nothing about the game, everything about 672 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 3: the drama. 673 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 4: That's my bad for the week. That is bad, But 674 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 4: can it get worse? LeVar? 675 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 5: What was ugly this week? 676 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: I mean, what's ugly and what's worse is I'm going 677 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: to just continue to piggyback off of that, because that 678 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: was what I was thinking. I just hate that the 679 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: storylines that continue to surround the WNBA have maybe made 680 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: people force them to choose sides, and there's no reason 681 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: to celebrate the athletes. Celebrate competition, celebrates your team, you know, 682 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: and let it be that. But you know, Caitlyn Clark 683 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: got cats out here attacking people's families. People said that 684 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: they're not qualified to talk about different different races of women. 685 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I just didn't know that basketball could actually 686 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: lead to, you know, people crashing out to the tune 687 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: of what we've seen crashouts take place. I mean, we've 688 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: seen three apology videos since then and all kinds of 689 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: different things. It's like two or three. I don't know, 690 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: I lost count, but you know who, I just I 691 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: just think that it's just kind of you know, heart 692 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: fouls are heart fouls. If it's flagrant, great, Nobody's going 693 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: to be talking about a heart foul as much as 694 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: they've talked about with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reaves being involved, 695 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: which is crazy because heart fouls happen, flagrants happen, These 696 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: things happen. It's sports trash. Talk happens. Like if I 697 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: could tell you how many times I heard, you know, 698 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: gatory terms during the course of the game. I mean, 699 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: come on, like now, all of a sudden, we've gotten 700 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: so sensitive. So I just you know, I think it's 701 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: pretty ugly the way that it's been covered, and it 702 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: seems so divisive and so chaotic. Just just give them 703 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: an opportunity to to be able to play out this season. 704 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: Also another bad for the week, I'd like to throw 705 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: this in there, the fact that the Labs started a 706 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: beer but didn't finish it yesterday. 707 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, that's not good for the brand. 708 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 5: Come on, Lee, there's an expectation on this show and 709 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 5: from our fan base for you. You finish what you start. 710 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: You finish what you start late. You know, where's that 711 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: beer right there? You know what? 712 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 4: That's fair. It's in my fridge right now under the Yeah, 713 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 4: I know, you break a flat beer when you get home. 714 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 5: I am indeed, Yeah, because he doesn't waste alcohol. That's 715 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 5: that's a true that's a true lead to labor. 716 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 6: You know, we used to call it, is it a 717 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 6: freshy or a bedstand? You know what's what's your first 718 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 6: beer of the day is it a fresh one or 719 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 6: is it on the is it from the beds tim 720 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 6: from the night before? 721 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 4: Wait, you do that, you'll drink the beer that's on 722 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 4: the night I have done that. 723 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: I have done that. Yeah, actually I checked to make 724 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: sure there's not a bug or there's something in there 725 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: that may have flew in there. A second. 726 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 4: You're doing it right when you get home too? 727 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I've already been thinking about it. 728 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 4: Of course, that's crazy. Who needs a nap? You know, 729 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 4: forget breakfast, it's my energy drinking. I got work to do. 730 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 4: I mean, what beer was it? If we're you know, 731 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 4: is it an mg D or you know? 732 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 6: It was an ultra And I think that's why I 733 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 6: didn't finish. 734 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 4: It wasn't a fan, okay, Usually