1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Oh my goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre open? He put it for dockdown. You've 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: gotta be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented by 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. Problems solved, 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? 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Well, gentlemen, we are gathered 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: here today to celebrate the union of more free agent 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: offseason acquisitions, more big names coming to the Big Red, 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: and that's why we have called together this emergency session 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and here on St. 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Patty's Day, I'm not seeing it via zoom. I got 21 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: a little bit of green here, A little bit not 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: seeing green over that. Really, honestly, though, gentleman Kyle to 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: guard Darren Urban, there's really only one team in the 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: NFL they can truly do Saint Patrick's Day, and that 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: would be the New York Jets. However, the Arizona Cardinals 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: bum rushed the party as they meant and obtained their 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: own green AJ Green along with Rodney Hudson. We have moves. 28 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: We need to break it down. We have smiles on 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: your faces. I'm reading your face, Kyle. So far you're 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: a double thumbs up. I can tell well first and foremost, 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: you can't pinch me because they're still socially distanced. I 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: don't have to wear a green yet, but I think 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: that would be a workplace violation. Might cost me my gig, 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: like I was a politician. But I think fans of 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were kind of waiting with bated breath for 36 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: something to happen in those first couple of days, and 37 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: there were a lot of reports that the Cardinals were 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: involved with this player and that player, and it sounded like, 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, they were in the mix and trying to 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: get some of these top tier guys and it didn't happen. 41 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: And then, obviously the Rodney Hudson trade is a big deal. 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: The Cardinals made it open that they wanted to upgrade 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: at center, and you can't do much better than Rodney Hudson. 44 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a Pro Bowl guy, perennially a contract 45 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: about nine and a half ten million dollars a year 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: over the next two years, which is a very affordable 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: contract for something of his worth and what he can do. 48 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: So I think that trade was a very smart thing 49 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: to do, especially we've been talking so much about Kyler 50 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: Murray's rookie deal and having to capitalize. Now you traded 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: a third round pick, and Steve kime It never wants 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: to trade draft picks because he knows that valuable they are. 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: But this is the time to strike, and if you 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: can get a elite center for a third round pick, 55 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: it sure seems like a good deal. Now for a Wednesday, 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: the fact that I burned out my phone battery and 57 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: had to go for the charger, that says it all. 58 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: So I can only imagine Darren Urban, what your Wednesday 59 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: was like the beginning of the league year. It's been 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: an interesting day and it's one of those things where 61 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: you weren't sure exactly what was going to happen. I know, 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: at the top of the day we were expecting and 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: hearing from Marcus Golden and Kevin Beacham, a couple of 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: guys they've already kept, which was good news in both counts, 65 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: and I had to drop in there and take some 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: pictures when they were signing contracts, and then all of 67 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: a sudden, all this other stuff started happening. That when 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: they were signing was right about the time the aj 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Green news originally broke, which I can tell you now 70 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: brought a smile to the face of owner Michael Bidwell, 71 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: who I happened to be there when I mentioned the 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: fact that it was coming out. And then obviously a 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: little bit later the idea that the Hudson trade happened. 74 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: And I really think I agree with Kyle the Green thing. 75 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Obviously we'll talk about it, and I think it's important 76 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: to get a number two receiver. There's there's some things 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: that do need to be discussed about that signing. It's 78 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: it's not like you're getting aj Green in his prime. 79 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: But I think the Hudson deal is the big one. 80 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: Everybody thought maybe this team would make a push for 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: Corey Lindsley, the Packers center, who ended up going to 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: the Chargers. I think the Cardinals probably were in on 83 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: that as best they could be. Didn't work out, and 84 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden low and behold. On Tuesday, 85 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: it came out the Raiders we're gonna cut Rodney Hudson 86 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: for salary cap reasons, and that sent everybody into a 87 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: tizzy because a lot of teams could use Rodney Hudson. 88 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: And then it became clear that there was enough teams 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: that wanton Hudson that the Raiders would try and get 90 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: something out of it. And obviously they did, and the 91 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals made the big And I do think after listening 92 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: to Chancougler talk about Mason Colem the Monk Galliard earlier 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: last month, really mentioning that they might look at center 94 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: as a place where they bring somebody in, it seemed 95 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: kind of obvious that would happen. And I think they've 96 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: changed the complete dynamic of that offensive line right now. 97 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: And Kyler Murray a guy who's tweeted a couple times 98 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: or retweeted stuff about going after offensive linemen and protecting 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: the quarterback has got to be happy on this first 100 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: day of Reegies. Not to put you guys on the spot, 101 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: but Rodney Hudson, the numbers have they come out? Is 102 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: anybody reporting what the salary is going to be, the 103 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: cap hit is going to be? Kyle? What have we seen? Yeah? 104 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean when you get traded, your salary just goes 105 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: with you. So we haven't heard anything about an extension 106 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: or any kind of restructure at this point. His salary 107 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: cap hit for this year, I believe his nine point 108 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: five million, which is a healthy chunk of your available 109 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: cap space. But when you're talking about one of your 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: better players, a Pro Bowl player, it's not exorbitant by 111 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: any means. And if they want to get that number down, 112 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you can talk to him and maybe just 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: turn that into a signing bonus and push some money 114 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: to next year. Or the Cardinals might be okay. I 115 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: mean you look at where they're at now roster wise, 116 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: I think number one cornerback is still the glaring hole 117 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: on the roster. Other than that, I don't know if 118 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna be making any more big time signings. I mean, 119 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: all the rest of the holes have pretty much been filled, 120 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: So maybe you don't need a bunch of cap space. Maybe, 121 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: depending on how you structure whatever you're gonna do at 122 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: this cornerback spot, I think you might be all right. 123 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: But there's certainly room to get more space, whether it's 124 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Rodney Huntson or a different player if the Cardinals need it. 125 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: And how do we know that at some point it 126 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: might not come out that they restructured other deals of 127 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: existing players that Devon can art adjust to view whomever. 128 00:06:54,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: Look to me, not only a center critical obvious. You 129 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: just look at recent history, the difference between a rookie 130 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: Mason Cole going in a few years ago out of 131 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: necessity when aqu Shipley went down in the Red White practice, 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: versus the next year when aqu came in and solidified 133 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: that center spot. I mean, we've seen him most recently 134 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: the before and after. And to bring in a guy 135 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: like Rodney Hudson, especially Darren to meet with a Kyler 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: Murray and the prospect of interior pressure. It's problematic for 137 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: any quarterback. But if you're six foot six Ben Roethlisberger 138 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: guess what, You're a lot more equipped to handle their 139 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: interior pressure. So you get a guy that you have 140 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: confidence in, a guy who can hold the point, a 141 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: guy who doesn't get penalized. Allow analytics by greed, that's 142 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: what we're gonna start calling this. Craig Grielu sent along 143 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: some sort of numbers that over the last three years 144 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: he has only three penalties called on him Rodney Hudson. 145 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: That's one fewer than the Cardinal starting center had by 146 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: himself all of the last seasons. So all that being told, 147 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: there's no doubt it's an upgrade. I don't think there's 148 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: any question the Cardinals were looking to upgrade there, and 149 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: I agree. I think for all those reasons you needed 150 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: to kind of solidify the middle there. We still don't 151 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: know exactly who the right guard is going to end 152 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: up being. The left guard as of right now is 153 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Justin Pugh. I mean, there was a lot of talk 154 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: about who might they cut Justin Pew to clear some 155 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: cap space, and I suppose that's still possible. But Steve 156 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: Kim has been too complimentary of Justin Pugh in the 157 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: past about how well he played last year. I don't 158 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: see him going anywhere they might restructure will potentially ask 159 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: him to take some kind of cut. We don't know that, 160 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: but I don't I think he's going to be your 161 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: left guard, and I think all of a sudden, you 162 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: feel a lot better with bringing back Kelvin Beacher to 163 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: be your right tackle, who had a very solid year 164 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: last year. In Dj Humphreys, who I think played at 165 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: arguably a Pro Bowl level, and then you have p 166 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: played pretty well, and then you have a better center. 167 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean there's going to be even though you got 168 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: to figure out who that right guard is, there's going 169 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: to be fewer questions about that line going in and 170 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: you should have a better performance and that will take less. 171 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: It means, I shouldn't say take less. It now means 172 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: more that Kyler Murray's got to take these steps forward 173 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: because you're gonna have less reason to be concerned that 174 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: it's the offensive lion causing any issue running offense. I mean, Darren, 175 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: real quick, are you comfortable at Justin Murray battling Josh 176 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: Jones for the right guard spot if that's what it 177 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: comes down to, I mean, or you could even throw 178 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: Mason Cole in there, or Lamont Galliard even at this point. 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, I think, let me, let me say 180 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: it this way, with the moves they've made already, unless 181 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: they make some significant other moves, they're running out of 182 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: cap space. So I don't know you're gonna be able 183 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: to upgrade much more than what they've already got. I 184 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: do think Justin Murray has been relatively solid. I mean, 185 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: do you wish you could have a pro bowler in there, Sure, 186 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: but you're not going to get that at every position. 187 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: And I will say that as we go there's still 188 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: going to be some opportunities I would think deeper into 189 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: free agency. As we see guys taking so many one 190 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: year deals. Well, at some point the one year deals 191 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: are going to be super cheap or minimum deals. And 192 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: maybe there's a veteran out there who's a little bit 193 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: better than Justin Murray who you feel better with. But yeah, 194 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: if they had to go with this offensive line right now, 195 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: I would feel fairly comfortable with it. I think Rodney 196 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: Hudson helps him that much. Well, And that's why I 197 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: throw that out, because a pro bowler is not walking 198 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: through that door at this point to play right guard. 199 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: So I'm curious, Kyle, how you feel about the offensive 200 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: line as currently constructed. If that is indeed the direction 201 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: they go on, we end up in September with an 202 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: offensive line the left or right as DJ Humphrey's Justin Pugh, 203 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, don't call him Rodney Harrison, as I've already 204 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: done a couple of other times in other platforms, Rodney Hudson. 205 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: And then your right guard is either Josh Jones or 206 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: Justin Murray, along with Kelvin Beecham Woge who's in for 207 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: two years four million dollars, very well bought by the Cardinals. 208 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: If you ask me the right tackle, yeah, and I 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: think you look at that left side and that's a 210 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: really impressive side of the line. Justin pew Is has 211 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: taken some flak from fans. He had some penalty issues, 212 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: and the contract is at the point where it's kind 213 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: of a discussion is he worth that money. But regardless 214 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: of the money, Like if you bring Justin Pugh back, 215 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: he's an above average left guard and you've got a 216 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber left tackle, a Pro Bowl caliber center, 217 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: so you love the left side. And I think what 218 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: Darren said is prescient, Like you can't have Pro bowlers 219 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: at every single position. You can't pay every single position, 220 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd be comfortable with Justin Murray or Josh 221 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: Jones or Mason Cole or Lamont Gilliard. Like somebody's gonna 222 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: win that job, and they're gonna do a decent enough job, 223 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: especially if you've got you've got two veterans next to you. 224 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: The big part is figuring out when stunts are coming 225 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: and who you need to double and where the blitz 226 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: is coming from. A lot of it's communication. When you're 227 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: playing guard. Oftentimes you'll get to double team one of 228 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: those interior guys, and if it's with your pro will center, 229 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: he's going to do the heavy lifting. So I feel 230 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: like what they have at guard right now is sufficient. 231 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: And I was just thinking back to the Rams game 232 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: at home for the Cardinals when interior pressure just killed 233 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: them and they looked worse in that game offensively than 234 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: many maybe any other all season long, And I think 235 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: maybe that was part of the impetus to getting the 236 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: interior stronger. And Aaron Donald is in your division twice 237 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: a year, every single year, and you got to stop 238 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: somebody like that. Interior pressure I think will wreck an 239 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: offense quicker than anything else. So if they can stop that, 240 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: and obviously Rodney Hudson goes a long way toward doing so, Yeah, 241 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald is reason enough. Heck, you had me at 242 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: false start penalties, that would be reason of before you 243 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: even snap the stinking ball. Rodney Hudson hasn't had a 244 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: false start penalty according to the analytics since twenty sixteen, 245 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: and that center position had four called on it a 246 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: year ago, so right there, not to mension. Some of 247 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: the other pass blocking grades was over ninety three, which 248 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: is the best among centers since twenty fifteen. If you're 249 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: following Pro Football Focus, and I know you do, Kyle, 250 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: and he's only had three sacks attributed to him since 251 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. That's almost thirty five hundred snaps, So right there. 252 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle, you are much more stout at the 253 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: point of attack. And there were reasons Lamont Killier got 254 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: snaps last year because they were searching for that guy 255 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: to solidify that spot. Yeah, I think early in the 256 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: season Mason Cole did a decent job, and then towards 257 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: later on, like you said, they started rotating and there 258 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: was some leaky protection and leaky run blocking, and and 259 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: like you said, I mean Rodney Hudson is just a 260 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: stunt anyway. You look at the numbers, you look at 261 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: the tape, and you hear from front office people. Everybody 262 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: was so surprised when they heard that the Raiders were 263 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: going to release him, And obviously Oakland didn't realize the 264 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: type of attention or offers they could get for him. 265 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: And to get a third round pick compared to releasing 266 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: him is obviously really good for Oakland, but it also 267 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: shows that maybe they misread the market for him. And 268 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: even though it would have been perfect to have him 269 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: get released and then the Cardinals signed him in free 270 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: agency and not give up a pick, there's no guarantee 271 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: that you get him because he's got prior relationships with 272 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: other teams. Maybe some team can just come in and 273 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: offer this huge money because they have a lot of 274 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: salary cap space. So yeah, the Cardinals did have to 275 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: give up a pretty valuable draft pick, but they got 276 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: a guy at a really affordable contract for what he 277 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: can do, so I think overall it was a nice 278 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: trade for the Cardinals. Well, look what supposedly happened with 279 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: Corey Lindsley. He went to the Chargers because he had 280 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: a former teammate on the Charger's roster that spent the 281 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: whole offseason recruiting them and verifying that the Chargers were 282 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: a viable organization, and then he should come to Southern California. 283 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: So you're right on that, Kyle. Now, in terms of relationships, 284 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: I'd love to know if Frank Caliendo was involved this 285 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: time with his John Gruden impersonation. I'd be curious about that. Heck, 286 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: I'd be curious to know if Cliff Kingsbury usted out 287 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: as John Gruden impersonation as he once did on our 288 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: podcast a couple of years ago. I mean, no, don't 289 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: discount the Cliff Kingsbury impersonation of John Gruden. It's it's 290 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: not bad. It's not Caliendo, but it's not bad. So 291 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: you have that going for you right there. And you 292 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: know what else, Dared. Ronnie Hudson is a team captain. 293 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: He's also known as a maller due to plays with 294 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: an edge. And you tell me these are all things 295 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: that I'm guessing interested in the Arizona Cardinals after what 296 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: we saw, especially down the stretch last year, where they 297 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: are lacking in both departments. Well, again, you're talking about 298 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: an area where. Okay, let's let's let's see who they've 299 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: gotten so far in free agency. They've gotten They brought 300 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: back Beecham and Golden, who both in their own ways 301 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: are good in the locker room. They bring in Hudson, 302 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: who is going to be a leader. AJ Green I 303 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: think because of his his not only his abilities, but 304 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: his resume, I think he's a good leader. I mean, 305 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: if you end up having Larry Fitzgerald retire, who better 306 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: to like step into that void as a veteran receiver 307 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: than AJ Green? I think that's something else. So I 308 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: think clearly they're kind of looking, among other things, JJ 309 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Watt good leader. Now we're also talking about age on 310 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, which with age comes wisdom, 311 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: but it also comes athletic slowdown. So we'll have to 312 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: see how that all goes. I mean, there's a fine line, 313 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: but I do think that's part of the equation here. 314 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: Well it does, so, okay, so let's let's look at that. 315 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are all over thirty, right, some 316 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: of the big names they brought in Darren. Does this 317 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: just verify and confirm that the Cardinals are all in 318 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: under Kyler Murray? In this rookie contract. I mean, if 319 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: you had any doubt, there shouldn't be any any doubt 320 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: left any longer. Well, all I know is clearly they've 321 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: been listening to Kyle Ortegard, because he's been banging this 322 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: drum for a long time about how they should be 323 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: going all in on all this stuff, and they clearly are. 324 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if you just look at who they've picked up, Yeah, 325 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: I think they are going all in. They know there's 326 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: a rookie contract. There's a certain level of urgency here 327 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: and Okay, we're going to go for it right now. 328 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: And it's beyond just the rookie contract. Of course, it 329 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: also goes back to the fact that they barely missed 330 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: the playoffs last year, and I do think ownership in 331 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: this case is expecting a playoff bid this year. So 332 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: there's that pressure just on that level. But yes, I 333 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: think the rookie contract actually absolutely means something at this point. 334 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, overnight the Niners made Trent 335 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: Williams a franchise left tackle, the highest paid offensive line 336 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: lineman in NFL history, and they got Alex Mack, who's 337 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: very proven obviously at center. The super veterans, So the 338 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: Niners just fortified their offensive line. He heard Darren mentioned 339 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: AJ Green. So Kyle some initial impressions on AJ Green 340 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: one year six million plus, eight million plus if he 341 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: reaches all his incentives. If I believe the reports, then 342 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: what they're saying, yeah, I think this is the most 343 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: maybe high risk, high reward of the signings because you 344 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: look at what he's done in his career. I mean, 345 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: we all know the ceiling of AJ Green. He's a 346 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl talent, a guy who was among the top 347 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: three receivers in the NFL at one point, but he 348 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: has had a lot of injuries. Last season, the numbers 349 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: were way down, and I think you can attribute some 350 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: of that to quarterback play. But when you look at 351 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: the analytics and look about look at yards of separation 352 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: and things that are more under his control, they weren't 353 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: particularly pleasing for what AJ Green did. So I mean, 354 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: I think we have to look at this more broadly, 355 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: Like guys can have down years and bounce back. So 356 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: if AJ Green bounces back and becomes the guy he 357 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: used to be for six million dollars, that's an incredible value. 358 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: If this is just a sign of him slowing down 359 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: because of the injuries and because of his age, maybe 360 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't live up to that contract. So I think, 361 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: to me, it's the most interesting where it could really 362 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: work out and it really couldn't, almost like the JJ 363 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: Watt deal, where you know who these guys are and 364 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: you know what they could be, but there is that 365 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: risk to it. So I think he's in a very 366 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: good position. You've got Kyler Murray's legs and you've got 367 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins on the other side. So aj Green is 368 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: not the focal point for a defense for the first 369 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: time probably in his entire career. So maybe he can't 370 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: flourish in something like that, but I would like to 371 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: see what it looks like on the field before saying that, Yeah, 372 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: aj Green is definitely going to be a thousand yard 373 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: receiver with the Cardinals next season. So from afar, I 374 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: followed aj Green last season every single week of the 375 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: season because I drafted him in the lower rounds and 376 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: the Pauli Pigskins THET football team. Okay, and by the way, 377 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: we did make a late run only for me to 378 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: realize I was in the loser's bracket of the postseason. 379 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't in the win. That was really that just 380 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: compounded how disappointing last season was. Now it's neither here 381 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: nor there. AJ green season was incredibly up and down. 382 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: There were games where he is shut out. There were 383 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: games where he had a number of targets, he had 384 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: no catches. There were other games where he was borderline 385 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: dominant and he was a force and they had to 386 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: double him, you know. To Kyle's point, Darren, I'm not 387 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: sure exactly what to make when it comes to AJ Green. 388 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: So I hit the phone a little bit earlier today 389 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: and I texted a few people I've come to know 390 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: over the years, and personnel departments around the league, and 391 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: all these departments they do all their homework and all 392 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: these players. And I had one personnel guy tell me, 393 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: and I quote from the text I received. He was 394 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: he studied AJ Green's film incredible route running ability considering 395 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: his size and body type he's six four, He added, 396 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: ball skills have always been outstanding. We know that we'll 397 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: get more on that in a bit. Knows how to 398 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: win the one on ones, body control and balance when 399 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: the ball in the air makes him such a reliable target. 400 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: And another guy tell me, this is a scout, say 401 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: still has gas left in the tank, more twitch than 402 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: speed at this point, a guy who's going to play 403 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: at age thirty three this season, Darren. But once again, 404 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: if you just have the word to me in there 405 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: is reliable. If you have that guy who's reliable and 406 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: proven and with his size for Kyler Murray to be 407 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: that potential number two receiver, that to me feels an 408 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: incredible need. And boyd in this offense agree and it's 409 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see again. Like you said, 410 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: can can he get past some of these other things, um, 411 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: that that that have plagued them? I mean, I love 412 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: that he's a route runner. I mean, honestly, when you 413 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: start talking about some of this stuff, Paul, the first 414 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: thing I think of, um is the fact that that's 415 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: kind of how people would describe Larry Fitzgerald at this point, 416 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: right sure, so you know what does that mean for Larry? 417 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: Do they have uh, you know, do they have a 418 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: place for both of them? Or are we talking about 419 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: something else entirely? Which is very interesting. But when it 420 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: comes back to Green, I think the idea that he 421 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: is going to be able to not face the other 422 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: team's number one cornerback because DeAndre Hopkins is out there, 423 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: I think will help him tremendously. And the other thing, 424 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: which doesn't get spoken a lot, and one of the 425 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: reasons they needed that number two guy was because now 426 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk might be able to play a little bit 427 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: of the slot and maybe that's a little bit more 428 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: natural for him, and maybe maybe Andy Isabella gets a 429 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: little bit more loose inside because of this guy out there. 430 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: And you know, he's not going to be the over 431 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: the top guy that he could be or whatever. But 432 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: I think, like fits, I think he can still go 433 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: win a jump all once in a while, and so 434 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: there's still that possibility if we all believe that, especially 435 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: the way defense has played the Cardinals offense so those 436 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: two high safeties and kept everything in front of him, 437 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are in dire need of not just 438 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: a number two receiver, but a speed guy, somebody who 439 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: can really stretch that defense. Everybody, now take the top off. 440 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: You know. Something along those lines is could Christian Kirk 441 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: be that guy? Is he explosive enough, Kyle, in your opinion, 442 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: in the slot, because we've seen it at times. We 443 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: saw him with the deep touchdown last season against Dallas, 444 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: we saw him on that first drive touchdown two years 445 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: before that with Josh Rosen at the forty nine ers 446 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: all seventy plus yard touchdown receptions where he got behind 447 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: the secondary. Can he make some of these defenses pay 448 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: out of the slot Christian Kirk if they're gonna employ 449 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: some of those defensive schemes that we saw those some 450 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: of those zone coverages in particular that we saw a 451 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: year ago, I don't think Christian Kirk's role would be 452 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: the big play deep guy if he does move to 453 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: the slot. I think it's more of the intermediate and 454 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: short routes. I'm thinking like Julian Edelman type player, where 455 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: I think I think Christian Kirk has a nice wiggle 456 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: to him when he can kind of get separation in 457 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: small spaces and get away from somebody, and then the 458 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: very top top end speed isn't quite there like a 459 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: JJ Nelson used to be or somebody that runs that 460 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: legit four two five four three speed. So I don't 461 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: think that's quite Christian Kirk's game, especially with his height. 462 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: He's a smaller guy, so he has to get even 463 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: more separation. I think it makes more sense to put 464 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: him into that slot role. And I think you guys 465 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: are right, Like, you don't have this clear cut deep 466 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: threat on your starting wide receiver group because Andy Zabella 467 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: might be in there every once in a while. But 468 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: the three guys you're looking at our Christian Kirk, AJ 469 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: Green and DeAndre Hopkins. But if you've got Hopkins and 470 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: Green on the outside, teams are still going to respect that. 471 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: I mean, if if you single cover DeAndre Hopkins, it 472 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if he's this great, blazing deep that or not. 473 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: You're throwing him the ball in that situation. But I 474 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: do feel like are they going to get away from 475 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the quick game stuff? I mean, is 476 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: that really Aj Green's game? Does DeAndre Hopkins want to 477 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: do that? And we've talked about it a million times, 478 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: the inter media game is where the Cardinals struggled last season, 479 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: and to me, it feels like AJ Green and DeAndre 480 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: Hopkins are the two type of receivers that know how 481 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: to do that with as established as they are in 482 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: the NFL. So maybe this could be a sign that 483 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: you're going to go to more of that traditional drop back, 484 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: scan the field and throw the ball down field. Because 485 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: the Cardinals weren't as efficient as they wanted to be 486 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: passing the ball last season and maybe it will be 487 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: less quick game and more intermediate game in twenty twenty one. 488 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: I said, recent NFL history, give me three receivers who 489 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: excel the most at contested catches? Could I say DeAndre Hopkins, 490 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald not necessarily in that order, and AJ Green? Yeah, 491 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: I think that that sus fort AJ Green isn't it. 492 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: But the caveat there is why are they contested? And 493 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: part of the issue that those guys have had, especially 494 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: you know Fits at this point Green point in his career, 495 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: is you're you're talking about guys who don't have a 496 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: haven't had a ton of speed. Now that there's good 497 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: size and bad sides to that, there's nothing, there's nothing 498 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: wrong with it. And you're right, they're going to catch 499 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: the ball in traffic. You've also got to convince a 500 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: quarterback to throw it in traffic, to take those risks too. 501 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: And you know, again, I just I see AJ Green 502 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: as a guy that you're you're hoping he can have 503 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: a nice bounce back. I mean it's not like he's 504 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Fits produced a ton at that age. But 505 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: AJ Green also missed a chunk of twenty eighteen because 506 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: of an injury. He missed all of twenty nineteen because 507 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: of the foot injury, and then last year it was 508 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: up and down. Now, last year, who do you have 509 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: as his quarterback? He had Joe Burrow for nine and 510 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: a half games, nine and a third games before Burrow 511 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: got hurt. And Burrow played pretty well, but he wasn't great, 512 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: and and some of that was Burrow and some of 513 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: that was you know, wears Green in his career, and 514 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: then after that he had two below average quarterbacks playing 515 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: for the Bengals with a below average offensive line. There 516 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: just wasn't going to be a lot of offensive stats. 517 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: And then you wonder, Okay, exactly how are you measuring 518 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: all of this? So I think I think if there's 519 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: any way to figure out where AJ Green is in 520 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: his career right now, we're going to find out because 521 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a decent offensive line and there's gonna 522 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: be a stunt wide receiver on the other side, and 523 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna know real quick about where he is. Yeah, 524 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: without Joe Burrow the last six games for the Bengals 525 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: last year, I have the numbers right here, AJ Green 526 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: with Ryan Finley or Brandon Allen as his quarterback thirteen 527 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: grabs over six games. There were three games where he 528 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: had no catches for just one hundred and seventy one 529 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: yards in one touchdown. There's also some reports out there 530 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: or someone to notice something about where he was miked 531 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: up or they caught him on film where he muttered 532 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: something on his sidelines just trade me. So a lot 533 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: of that Bengals team was not in a good place, 534 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: neither in the standings or mentally last year. So he 535 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: gets a fresh start, he gets a fresh destination, and 536 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: he's going to get an offense with an established Pro 537 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: Bowl quarterback and a coach who's more than willing to 538 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: throw it and so we'll see what that does for him. Kyle, Yeah, 539 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: you could definitely see a scenario where this does come 540 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: together really well for the Cardinals where you've got some 541 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 1: motivated veterans who were at the top of the NFL 542 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: for several years. And I think that's the big question 543 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: is JJ Watt at thirty two. I believe in AJ 544 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: Green at thirty three, what do they have left in 545 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: the tank? And if it's a lot, then that takes 546 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: this team to the next level for sure, because that's 547 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl talents, especially in AJ Green where at six 548 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: million dollars if he can get close to what he 549 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: used to be, and you've legit got DeAndre Hopkins and 550 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: pro bowler AJ Green on the outside, I mean, your 551 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: offense is going to be in a great place with 552 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: what Kyler Murdy can do with his legs too. So 553 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: the ceiling for this group is awfully high. And then 554 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: you just worry about slowing down physically injuries because that's 555 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: been such a big part of AJ Green and JJ Watt, 556 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: and you could see the downside to these signings too. 557 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: We'll just have to wait for the season. But I 558 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: think you can definitely dream big if you're a Cardinals 559 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: fan and just hope that the reality is closer to 560 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: that than the injuries or any decline in physical ability. 561 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: You guys might get want to get ready to groan 562 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: at this point because I'm afraid I'm gonna go paul 563 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: a prop you guys seeing this right here. This is 564 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: an official NFL football and that autograph reads AJ Green 565 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: number eighteen. Actually it looks like it says a seven D. 566 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: It's AJ Green, okay eighteen. I'm sorry, Darren Ravel, I 567 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: haven't had it verified, Okay by the industry. Just take 568 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: my word for it. Is my word good enough. Here 569 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Underground, brought to you my Pacific Office Automation, 570 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Or no, I have 571 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: to verify everything I say around here. Have an AJ 572 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: Green autograph. I'm so glad you asked, Kyle. Thank you 573 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: for asking, because let me tell you, guys a story 574 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: where Ron Wolfley flings himself out of the broadcast booth. 575 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: But I think it's a pretty decent story. It's January 576 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. It's Super Bowl Week in Arizona. It was 577 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: the Seahawks and the Patriots, all Seattle. We know how 578 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: that one ended at the goal line. Anyway, we have 579 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl Week festivities. I had to host MC 580 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: these two events, and they were different events. Put it 581 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: that way. One was for a pack ballroom Mike Dicka 582 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: ninety minutes with coach Dick got and it was packed. 583 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: There were twenty five hundred people in this casino ballroom. Crazy. 584 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: I walked in an hour before ahead of time. Coaches there, 585 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: I said, Coach introduced myself. Anything, what do you want me? 586 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: I asked for anything? Just give me a shred off 587 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: anywhere you want to go. He said, you got it, 588 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: you leave me. I'm like, okay, I have nothing to 589 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: go on here. Anyway, somehow we filled ninety minutes. The 590 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: next one I did the next night was with AJ Green. 591 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: Much different. It was two hundred people, intimate gathering people 592 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: who had won some sort of contest. And you get 593 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: an hour with Aj Green and his soon to be wife, 594 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: and you visit with Aj and we're up on stage. 595 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: And the nicest, most humble, gracious guy ever. He was 596 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: at the height he was in his prime. He was 597 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: an all pro. He told some great stories. Comes from 598 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: a very small town in South Carolina, less than two 599 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: thousand people population, Ridgeville, South Carolina. His now wife told 600 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: me that he had no idea how good he was 601 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: until he went to high school. And he walked in 602 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: as a freshman. The high school was twenty miles away. 603 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: He walks in as a freshman and starts schooling and 604 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: housing varsity dbs just and the coaches like, okay, who 605 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: is this guy? And he played varsity as a freshman. 606 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: The rest is history, and it's just an unbelievable story 607 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: of how And he's very quiet, yet he's intensely competitive 608 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: on game day. And here's the kicker. He grew up 609 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: watching and loving Larry Fitzgerald. He talked at length about 610 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: how Larry has been his longtime mentor. And there's a 611 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: story that when he was an All American at Georgia, 612 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: Larry in twenty ten went to a Georgia game, showed 613 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: up on the sideline and there was Aj Green. He 614 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: looks Sorr, he goes, oh, it's fits and he just 615 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: how nervous he was at that moment that his mentor 616 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: is there to see him. And those two have been 617 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 1: very tight for the last decade. The question is what 618 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: does that mean? Which way do you read that those 619 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: guys now are going to coexist and they're gonna be teammates, 620 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: or was Larry the one who maybe tipped off Aj 621 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: Green early in the process. Hey, big guy, there's going 622 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: to be an opening with the Arizona Cardinals and guess what. 623 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: To Darren's point, they have a similar scattering and what 624 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: they can do at this point in their career. I'm 625 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: not sure which way to read that. For once, I 626 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: think I'm without a theory anybody, I mean, for me, 627 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: I can only read this one of two ways at 628 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: this point, which is they're they're gonna go all over 629 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: the hill game, all the way, and Fitz is going 630 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: to play with this kid that he mentored who's not 631 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: a kid anymore and going to be thirty three this season, 632 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: and then you're going to have to do some things 633 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: because you will not have a lot of speed out 634 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 1: there in the field. Or Larry's leaning towards retirement. The 635 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: team has that idea, and at some point that's what 636 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: he's going to do, and then you move on the 637 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: thing about Larry that I'm struggling with right now is that, 638 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: to me, there's only two ways that I can go 639 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: with this that make any sense. And in both cases, 640 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: the team itself already knows what's going to happen. We 641 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: just don't. Larry hasn't made a decision. One is he's 642 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: told him he's going to retire, and he just hasn't 643 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: announced it yet, and they're making their moves knowing he's 644 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: going to retire, or they know he's coming back for sure, 645 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: and they've already agreed on what kind of salary he's 646 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: going to have so that they can kind of school 647 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: that away knowing that he's not going to blindside him 648 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: by saying, well, now I want to play, and how 649 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: are you going to fit that under the cap? Those 650 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: are the ones that make sense, because I don't see 651 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: Larry is the kind of guy that would leave this 652 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: team hanging like it would be right now if he 653 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: truly didn't know and they truly didn't know that what 654 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: he was going to do. That that's the only thing 655 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: I can come up with at this point. Yeah, I mean, 656 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: I think there has to be some sort of understanding. 657 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think if that has to be 658 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: totally that I'm definitely playing or definitely not. But I 659 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: think Larry Fitzgerald is certainly seems like he would say 660 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: just go ahead and build it. And if I feel 661 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: like coming on, I don't expect to be a starting 662 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: receiver who's playing eighty five percent of the snaps. I mean, 663 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: I'd love to be a part of this because You've 664 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: gotten these guys and I'm confident that this is a 665 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: team that has a super Bowl chance and I want 666 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: to kind of ride it. But the things we thought 667 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: at the very beginning, would he be the eleven million 668 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: dollars Once again, I mean, you can't pay him eleven 669 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: million dollars anymore. It certainly feels like a drastic reduction 670 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 1: there and then more of a bit part of the offense. 671 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Christian Kirk hasn't completely lived up to expectations, 672 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: but he's able to get open pretty consistently. I mean, 673 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: he's shown that he deserves playing time. So if Larry 674 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald comes back and starts, and you have a J. 675 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: Green and D hop, I don't think you want Christian 676 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: Kirk playing fifteen to twenty percent of the time. I 677 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: feel like he's shown that he deserves to be out 678 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: there at least fifty to sixty percent of the time. 679 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: So the easiest thing would just be yeah, like Theren said, 680 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: fitz said, I'm going to retire. Just go ahead and 681 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: do what you want. I'll announce it on my own time. 682 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: I'm done vacationing. But if he is going to come 683 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 1: back still, I think I think there's clearly an understanding 684 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: that he's gonna work within the framework of what the 685 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals want to do instead of dictating what he wanted 686 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: to do and have them work around his thoughts. And 687 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: I think that's obviously a healthy thing for an organization 688 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: that is really trying to be very competitive in twenty 689 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: twenty one. Actually, I do have a theory. I take 690 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: that back. I just came up with a theory. He's done. 691 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: You know why, because he's snowboarding and that violates his contract. 692 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: He wouldn't be snowboarding if he was still under contract. 693 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: That's indirect violation. He doesn't have a contract revision. You 694 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: thou shalt not snowboard. He's a free agent right now, Paul. 695 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: Bottom line is you would have if going by that 696 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: kind of theory, half the league would be retiring every 697 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: year because they all do stuff they're they're not supposed 698 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: to do. All these players that show up on these 699 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: Instagram things of Hey, here's a Garrett throwing down these 700 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: thunder dunks in Cleveland playing pickup basketball. I'm pretty sure 701 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: that's not allowed. I'm pretty sure that the Cardinals didn't 702 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: want Tyrn Matthew playing pickup basketball when he was doing 703 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: it after an ACL tear. Oh yeah, but his tyron 704 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: would tell you he was the best basketball player in 705 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: the locker room, so he had to keep up his 706 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: field cred. You know his court cred if you will. Actually, 707 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: my lame theory is saved by the fact that we 708 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: have breaking news here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you 709 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation prop part in the Arizona Cardinals. 710 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Darren, they have a new kicker. And you 711 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: know this goes in line to everything else. He's thirty 712 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: six years of age, a two year deal. Four Matt 713 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: Praynor to the former Lion who was last seen by 714 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and Cardinals fans kicking the game winning field 715 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: goal against the Cardinals last year in Week three. Wow. 716 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: He also holds the record for the longest field goal 717 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: in league history sixty four yards. Remember we looked at 718 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: up recently because if the Cardinals go to Mexico City 719 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: elevation seventy five hundred or so. Matt Praters signed with 720 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals because he knows they're going to Mexico 721 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: City and he's gonna have a chance at a seventy 722 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: yard field goal. There's my other theory, and hopefully he's 723 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: more viable. Kyle. I'll tell you what, from a Cardinals 724 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: perspective or a Cardinals fans perspective, they don't care if 725 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: he makes a seventy yard or they want those forty 726 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: to forty nine yard field goals to go through, and 727 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we've dissected last season to death by this point, 728 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: But if you had a more stable kicking option, if 729 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: you had more consistency from Zane Gonzales, maybe the Cardinals 730 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: do win nine games or ten games and make the playoffs. 731 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: And it's a lot different feelings. So clearly you don't 732 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: think about kicker a lot, but they can be very 733 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: important parts to an NFL season. A lot of the 734 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: games come down to the last minute or two. And 735 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: I think, like you said, the two year deal is 736 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: a noticeable theme. I don't think they've signed to anybody 737 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: to longer than two years. I think we're clearly looking 738 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: at this two year window, and you can look at 739 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: the Cardinals cap situation after that, it's like Kyler Murray, 740 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, and DeAndre Hopkins, and then a lot of 741 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: guys on rookie deals. They haven't signed to anybody of 742 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 1: note besides those three. He's got those three guys beyond 743 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: two years. So I think it's just an accumulation of 744 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: veterans and they're making this run and saying, hey, everybody, 745 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: get on board. If you're trying to win a Super Bowl. 746 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: We'll see how it turns out teams have done this 747 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: in the past, and sometimes it's worked and sometimes it hasn't. 748 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: But I think it's just clear once again what the 749 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals are trying to do. I am curious. Prater has 750 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: been one of the better kickers over the years. I mean, 751 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: obviously he's been around. You mentioned it was thirty six. 752 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: He did struggle last year's It was his worst field 753 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: goal kicking year of a full season, seventy miss seven 754 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: of twenty eight tries, which that's right around where zingensallis 755 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: was now. And he was only four for seven from 756 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: forty to forty nine yards, which is another one where 757 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 1: you're like, that's what we're looking for. He was six 758 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: of ten from fifty m beyond though, so he's got 759 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: a leg and he is almost seventy five from fifty 760 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: plus in his career, which is tops in NFL history. 761 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: So I think you like where he's coming from my 762 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: life that you're putting him indoors. I mean, obviously for 763 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: a kicker, he's kicked indoors or in Denver for his 764 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: whole career, and now he's staying in a really nice 765 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: place to kick. And I know when I saw him, 766 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: I really had no doubt he was going to make 767 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: that kick against the Cardinals at the end of the game, 768 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: So I certainly would think that that kind of confidence 769 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: would carry him over. Yeah, thirty nine yarder was Zeros 770 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: on the clock to beat the Cardinals in Week three. 771 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: It was twenty six twenty three after the Lions got 772 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: the ball at their own nine yard line with just 773 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: under five minutes to go. So the guy who engineered 774 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: that drive, Matthew Stafford, is now the starting quarterback for 775 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,879 Speaker 1: the Rams in the division, and the guy who ended 776 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: that drive with the game winner through the uprights at 777 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium is now a member of the Arizona Cardinals. 778 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: He also rejoins his old special team's coach, Jeff Rogers. 779 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: So whereas those numbers you throw out, Darren, a little 780 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: eye opening, little concerning little bit the fact that he's 781 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: rejoining his old special team's coach, who obviously knows what 782 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: he's looking at in his former kicker. Hopefully that's reassuring. 783 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: And look how I liken a team with kicking issues 784 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: to a baseball team with closer issues. If you get 785 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: to the end of the game and you can't rely 786 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: on your kicker and it's the kicker who doesn't come 787 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: through at the end. It's deflating, it's demoralizing. You just 788 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: spend fifty nine plus minutes, you know, trading blows with 789 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: another team, and it comes down to a kicker who 790 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: misses what could have been a game winning kick. It 791 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: it eats your locker room just up from the inside out. 792 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: Not unlike a baseball team that keeps blowing leads in 793 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: the ninth inning because their closer fails. And so to me, 794 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: if you can nail that down, that actually is something 795 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: as a trickle down through an entire locker room and 796 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: a team. Yeah, and as you know, the way I 797 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: look at football and stats, I don't pay as much 798 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: of attention to win loss as virtually anybody because I'm 799 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: more interested in point differential and stuff like that. But 800 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: when you're a player a coach in GM, all that 801 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: matters is the win loss record, and that's what gets 802 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: you into the playoffs. So if you have kicking issues 803 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: and you lose two games that you very well could 804 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: have won. The Cardinals are the prime example, you can 805 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: be in the playoffs or be out of the playoffs 806 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: because what a kicker does, and to me, I mean, 807 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: kicker is very much like a closer in another respect, 808 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: and you don't always know what you're gonna get from 809 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: year to year. I think it can be kind of 810 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: a high variable position. Like Matt Prater's issues last season, 811 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: they could completely go away in twenty twenty one. And 812 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,479 Speaker 1: that's why I think the evaluation of is this guy 813 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: still a good kicker? Does he still have the leg? 814 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: Does he still have the power and accuracy? That's the 815 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: evaluation I would be more worried about than what he 816 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: did last year because to me, those percentages can go 817 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: up and down, especially because of the smaller sample of 818 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: kicking field goals. So I think if I mean, being 819 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: thirty six as a kicker is not old. You see 820 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: these guys play until their early forties, no problem. So 821 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: I think if the Cardinals trust that evaluation from Jeff Rogers, 822 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: then they do have confidence in him, and then he 823 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,240 Speaker 1: just has to hope that he makes those big kicks. 824 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: But I think you're right where confidence won't be an 825 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: issue because he's been through it so much. Where if 826 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: you brought z ingenz all Is back, maybe z ingenz 827 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: Allees has more natural talent than Matt Prater at this point, 828 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: but you just didn't know mentally if he could handle 829 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: that with twelve seconds on the clock down by one. 830 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: And I think you want a guy that you're not 831 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: worried about buckling under pressure. And I agree wholeheartedly with 832 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: a part about Jeff Rogers. I think Jeff Rodgers has 833 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: proven how good of a special teams coordinator he is 834 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: at this point, and I would trust his evaluation of 835 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: these situations. And similarly, although it hasn't been announced officially, 836 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: probably because he hasn't been here yet in person to 837 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: sign the deal, but there was a report they're bringing 838 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: back punter Andy Lee on a one year deal, so 839 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: they're going to have their special teams kind of wrapped 840 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: up sooner rather than later. And I think that's a 841 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 1: that's a good deal. And like I said, I trust 842 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Rodgers if he sees this guy sees the film 843 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: and has since he's been with him before, understands what 844 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: he does and doesn't do. I mean, I'm sure he's 845 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: watched the miss Kicks and probably has a good handle 846 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: on why they potentially missed. And I'm guessing he's cool 847 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: with that. I mean, he's thirty six. To your point, Kyle, 848 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: you know how old was Phil Dawson At the end 849 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, right, We'd be on road trips 850 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: and most of the fans watching the Cardinals parade into 851 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,439 Speaker 1: the hotel, they thought Phil Dawson was an assistant coach, 852 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, honestly, yeah, anyway, he's forty 853 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: something years old, and I'll keep it kind there, Phil, 854 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: we love you. Here's the other thing. Are Lisa Matthews 855 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 1: tweeting out that Matt Prator's wife is a former Arizona 856 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 1: Cardinals cheerleader and it's from the az So okay, So 857 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: let's get this so okay. So that was a competitive advantage. 858 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals kicking indoors obviously a competitive advantage. I remember Neil 859 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: Rackers telling us on the Big Red Rage that he 860 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: got advice from his first ever NFL kicking coach, and 861 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: it was goes as follows, son, if you can ever 862 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: latch on with a dome team team that plays indoors 863 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: for Denver, you take that deal and run with it. 864 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: That was the advice given to Neil Rackers at the 865 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: beginning of his kicking career. So Matt Bradors kicked in Denver. 866 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: He's kicked indoors at Detroit and now he's coming to 867 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. So well played all the way around Matt Prador. 868 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: There you go. So the Cardinals can think that Matt 869 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: Prador's wife is from Arizona to get him, and then 870 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: they can thank you for that two and fifteen conversation 871 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: with Aj Green to get him to the desert. Is 872 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: that the relationship that worked. If you want to write 873 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: a column to that effect, I'm not stopping you. I mean, Kyle, 874 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: if you want to go ahead a word from the 875 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: Bird's blog, I think you can. You can get a 876 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: picture of this. Actually he's got some dust on it. Wow, 877 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: And it's kind of deflated. I apologize in advance here Aj, 878 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,439 Speaker 1: it's deflated. It's been on the shelf for a number 879 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: of years. I gotta I gotta raise my game on 880 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,919 Speaker 1: the collectibles there. I'm sorry about that. So you guys 881 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: were there when Marcus Golden and Kelvin Beecham met the media, Darren, 882 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: give us some impressions because it was evident both guys, 883 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: speaking of playing in Arizona, wanted to play here in 884 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: this state for this team for maybe some different reasons, 885 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: but their desire to take what were very affordable contracts, 886 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, for the Arizona Cardinals and work with a 887 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: cap space allotted. You could just tell it was evident 888 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 1: these guys, okay, there was a reason that they're going 889 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: to be suiting up with the Cardinals this year. It 890 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: was It wasn't a very enlightening press conferences with both 891 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: of them, quite frankly and kind of I don't know 892 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: if I was fully expecting it. I mean, here's two 893 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: guys who've been around. Golden only came in here, but 894 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,320 Speaker 1: we know that him well because he's been here before. 895 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: But you know, Marcus Golden starts talking about how he 896 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: actually was so discouraged by the way the Giants were 897 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: not using him the first part of last year that 898 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: he was actually considering retirement because he loves the game 899 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: so much and they were taking the joy from him 900 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: and it really rubbed him the wrong way because he 901 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: felt like he had earned more. And then you know, 902 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham and then talking about how that's why how 903 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: badly he wanted to stay in Arizona. And I think 904 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: there's an outside chance Marcus Golden might have been able 905 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: to make more in the open market had he opened 906 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: up his life to that and clearly he wanted to 907 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,439 Speaker 1: make sure that he stayed in Arizona, which he told 908 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 1: us multiple times the back half of that season. And 909 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: then with Beacham, the one that really stood out to me, 910 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: Kyle was the comment that there would be no other 911 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: coach he would play right tackle for. Here's the guy 912 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: who played left tackle his whole life. There was no 913 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: other coach he'd play right tackle for than Sean Coogler, 914 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: which you know he started all sixteen games, did a 915 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: nice job. But to say I wouldn't do that anywhere else, 916 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 1: especially for somebody like Beacham. He's pretty reserved about stuff 917 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: like that. That was eye opening to me. And earlier 918 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: this week, I think I said the top three or 919 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: four reasons people go somewhere in free agency as money, 920 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: and that certainly applies to a lot of guys. But 921 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: I did get the distinct impression that Marcus Golden and 922 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham, if they wanted to play it differently, maybe 923 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: they could have gotten more money in different spots, but 924 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: they do enjoy the Cardinals. I mean, Marcus Golden has 925 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: been very clear about that since he came back, and 926 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,240 Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, Kelvin Beachum also said that because 927 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,760 Speaker 1: Sean Kugler stood on the table and advocated to draft 928 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,280 Speaker 1: him in twenty twelve with the Steelers, he's always felt 929 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: an affinity for him. That's why he signed with the 930 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals originally last season because of Sean Kugler, and it's 931 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: the main reason why he stayed. So yeah, I mean, 932 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: I obviously look at things very black and white and 933 00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: look at numbers and stuff, but it's just a good 934 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: reminder that these relationships do matter, and having a rapport 935 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: with players and having a good setup where they want 936 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: to stay that matters too. And we'll never officially know 937 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,720 Speaker 1: if Marcus Golden could have gotten a couple million dollars 938 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: more or Kelvin Beecham could have done the same, but clearly, 939 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,720 Speaker 1: when you look at their contracts, like you said, Paulo's 940 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: are fantastic value for a couple of guys who if 941 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: they give you sixteen games again at the production they 942 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: did last season, you're in a great spot where you 943 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: spent a really low amount of money on guys that 944 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: are really good contributors and you can just pencil them 945 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 1: in right tackle, outside linebacker. We don't have to worry 946 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 1: about it. We're getting two good players that are really 947 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: affordable deal. Don't think that Marcus Golden doesn't know that 948 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: he's going to be playing alongside JJ Watt and Chandler 949 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: Jones and the sort of attention they're gonna get. Right, 950 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: you got a two year deal, nine million max. And 951 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 1: look what happened when he went to the Giants eating 952 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 1: get the money he expected, and he certainly didn't get 953 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: any other company when it comes to rushing the quarterback. 954 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: And so every single sack he earned there he earned 955 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: double because you know, that's what are you facing most 956 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: of the time. Now, think about his situation and he 957 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: wants to try and set himself up. After a two 958 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: year deal, he had another short term deal, I thinking, 959 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: you know what, that's a bonus as well, not to 960 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: mention that he just enjoys being back in Arizona as 961 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,319 Speaker 1: a newfounder appreciation. As we said on the last edition 962 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground, there's a reason he walks around smiling 963 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: all the time, even on the dreaded three day road 964 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,879 Speaker 1: trips we saw in December. Well, and the reasons it's 965 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: so legit and honest is because he could have set 966 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: all this and just signed a one year contract and 967 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: tried to go to the market next year, and he 968 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: just felt like with COVID and everything, he didn't want 969 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: to test it. But he signed for two years, so 970 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: it's not like he did one year. I'm gonna be 971 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: next to Chandler. I'm gonna be with JJ and I'm 972 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: gonna explode and get this big money deal. He signed 973 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: for two years because he feels really good with the 974 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,759 Speaker 1: Cardinals organization, and when he's done with that, he's gonna 975 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: be is maybe thirty two or thirty three years old, 976 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: where your big money paid days are behind you at 977 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 1: that point unless you're absolutely a superstar. So I completely 978 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: believe Marcus Golden where the money was not the main 979 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 1: reason for doing this, and I think it's just such 980 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,879 Speaker 1: a rare exception, and he deserves credit for realizing that 981 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: I'm happiest in Arizona. I was not happy in New York, 982 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: even though I made more money there than I was 983 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: offered elsewhere, and he realized that maybe I've made enough 984 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: money in my career. I just want to be somewhere 985 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: where I'm comfortable, I feel like I can produce, and 986 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm valued. And clearly the Cardinals and Marcus Golden have 987 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: a really good relationship. Watching him sign that contract, I mean, 988 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,799 Speaker 1: I think he knew all long he was coming back. 989 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,760 Speaker 1: I think that's what he wanted. The news was announced 990 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: two days ago, It's not like it was new news. 991 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: Once he came in to sign the contract. When he 992 00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: was sitting here and I got had a chance to 993 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: be in the room with him and Michael Bidwell's were 994 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, doing the you know the video and the photos, 995 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: he was overwhelmed with like giddiness. I'm like, he's still 996 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: super excited. He's so And I wrote a story about 997 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 1: this one time, about his background, and I'm going to 998 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 1: repost it. At some point, when Marcus Golden was younger, 999 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: he got in a lot of trouble and he admittedly 1000 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,800 Speaker 1: was an angry young man. And he was talking in 1001 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: here today as we were just kind of talking about 1002 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: how he realized at one point that he didn't need 1003 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 1: to be so angry all the time, and he kind 1004 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: of flipped it and he said, now, I tell myself, 1005 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: I need I need to be happy. I need to 1006 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: see the joy in everything. And I think that's where 1007 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: he is right now. And I really, I really, truly 1008 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,359 Speaker 1: don't think the money had a whole life. I mean, 1009 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: he was going to get some money. He's probably got 1010 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,479 Speaker 1: more money already, and I don't begrudge anybody who's trying 1011 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,879 Speaker 1: to get more. And he even said that somebody said 1012 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: in his press conference, somebody asked him about taking less 1013 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,720 Speaker 1: money to be where you're happening. He goes, I don't. 1014 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't stick my nose in other people's business. Everybody's different. 1015 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm just saying this is how I am. And I 1016 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 1: think he just knew this is where he's happening and 1017 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: that's what he wanted, and it's it's refreshing. I mean, 1018 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 1: he's probably got more money than he ever thought he 1019 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: would have in his life anyways already. So why not 1020 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: pick what's what's going to make you happy? And being 1021 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: in Arizona's makes him happy. And if he's smart, he'll 1022 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: invest the money he has and Kelvin Beacham Incorporated and 1023 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,840 Speaker 1: he'll triple his money by the time he's fifty. Because 1024 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham. I believe every word of it was either 1025 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: Coogs and the cards are nothing because that guy has 1026 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: his post playing career all set up. I mean, you 1027 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: think Larry is going to shine in his post playing days. 1028 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,399 Speaker 1: Larry goes to Kelvin Beacham for advice. By the time 1029 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: we were done with a big Red Rage last season, 1030 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: I was begging Kelvin Beacham, let me invest in whatever 1031 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: business he starts whenever it happens, because that guy's gotta 1032 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: dialed in. Yeah, he's an extremely intelligent guy. And I 1033 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 1: mean I think having somebody like that come in and 1034 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: do a nice job on the field and what he 1035 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: brings to them. I mean he's an understated presence. He's 1036 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: not like this fiery guy, but I think he just 1037 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: kind of he's one of those like elders that you 1038 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,800 Speaker 1: think of that just kind of walks around and commands respect. 1039 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 1: And I think he's been a big plus to the Cardinals. 1040 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, going into last training camp, what were they 1041 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: going to do at right tackle if not for Kelvin Beecham. 1042 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean they would have been in a rough spot. 1043 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: And he did a great job on the field. I 1044 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: mean he's not perfect. He's not as athletic as DJ Humphries. 1045 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,799 Speaker 1: I think we can all see that, but he just 1046 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: knows exactly what to do. And I think reliability at 1047 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 1: certain positions when you're not paying the ten to fifteen 1048 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 1: million dollars, if you can just trust guys, I think 1049 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: that's huge. And I think both of these are both 1050 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: guys that you just really like to have on this team. 1051 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,279 Speaker 1: And we found out right away when they put Nick 1052 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: Bosa at his side a lot of that week one 1053 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,280 Speaker 1: game before Bosa went down, you know, Kelvin Beacham man, 1054 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 1: he got a serious test right out of the gate, 1055 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,120 Speaker 1: and so you got a sense right there, Okay, all right, 1056 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,759 Speaker 1: Cardinals to solidify that right tackle spot. And since we 1057 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 1: haven't heard anything yet on Marcus Gilbert and who knows 1058 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: exactly what's happening there. And once again, if they're sitting 1059 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,880 Speaker 1: there at sixteen and the next Tristan Worse is on 1060 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 1: the board, guess what Cardinals might go that direction? And 1061 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: they only have two years four million invested in Kelvin 1062 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 1: Beacham and now you can ease that rookie in at 1063 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 1: right tackle whenever that might happen. So it makes sense 1064 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: on multiple levels, at least to me. Speaking of the draft, 1065 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 1: let's wrap it up because right now is the fact 1066 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: they have not gone after a cornerback, and Kyle, I'll 1067 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: go to you. Is this a tell? Is this going 1068 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,240 Speaker 1: to show the Cardinals hand going into the May Draft 1069 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 1: that they're going to be all in a corner? And 1070 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: I fear other teams might jump them in that first 1071 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 1: round if they don't do something to show that I 1072 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 1: be least some depth. I still think they're going to 1073 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,439 Speaker 1: do something in free agency, whether it's I mean, as 1074 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: of this time, Patrick Peterson hadn't signed anywhere, whether it's 1075 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: bringing him back or signing another veteran. I think it's 1076 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: just too risky to go into the draft with Robert 1077 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,839 Speaker 1: Alford as your number two and not knowing who your 1078 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,439 Speaker 1: number one is. So I think the Cardinals still have 1079 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: enough cap room to get a decent, you know, an 1080 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: above average cornerback, and that would obviously be their one 1081 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: big move remaining. And it would surprise me if they 1082 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 1: didn't go for a cornerback. I think it's it's the 1083 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: one spot on the roster that you look at now 1084 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 1: that says this is what they need. I think you 1085 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,879 Speaker 1: can make do it. Tight end. I think you can 1086 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 1: make do like we said, at right guard and other spots, 1087 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,879 Speaker 1: but cornerback one, I mean, you need somebody good or else. 1088 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,239 Speaker 1: The pass rush as good as it can be. If 1089 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: your guy's getting be consistently, it's not gonna matter. So 1090 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,160 Speaker 1: I still feel like quarterback and free agency is going 1091 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,560 Speaker 1: to happen at some point and the market, I mean, 1092 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,799 Speaker 1: a couple of guys have signed, there's still quite a 1093 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: few cornerbacks available. So maybe this is a time time 1094 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,360 Speaker 1: sign where a few days from now you get a 1095 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 1: guy at a deal that you didn't think you can 1096 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 1: get him at. But in some respects it's smart where 1097 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: if you think supply is outweighing demand, then just wait 1098 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 1: it out and get a quality guy at a good price. 1099 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's the key right now, Paul. I mean, 1100 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: other than a couple of guys are off the board, 1101 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: there are still a ton of veteran cornerbacks out there, 1102 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,920 Speaker 1: including Patrick, who I don't think has closed the door 1103 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: of coming back. What's going to be interesting is, you know, 1104 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: if the Cardinals want to pay him X amount of 1105 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: dollars and it's it's competitive, but would he be willing 1106 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 1: to take that from the Cardinals knowing it's less than 1107 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: what he wanted? And that would be interesting to me. 1108 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,480 Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of cornerbacks still out there. 1109 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,480 Speaker 1: I think you can still get a guy. You know, 1110 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,520 Speaker 1: whether he's going to be a super number one, I 1111 00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: don't know, and I think they still have to target 1112 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,440 Speaker 1: one in the draft out what they do. But I 1113 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 1: still think signing would make I mean, as we record this, 1114 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: we're still only we're less than four hours in the 1115 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: free agency officially, even though the tampering started earlier this week. 1116 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,240 Speaker 1: So there's still a lot that can happen, and they 1117 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 1: might have an offer or two out to a corner 1118 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,440 Speaker 1: and say, look, this is the number, take it or 1119 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: leave it, And so that contract offer might be in 1120 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: the court of a free agent corner right now. They're 1121 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 1: just deliberating and the agent is trying to drum up 1122 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: interest to see if the agent can top the Cardinals offer. 1123 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,560 Speaker 1: And your guys point, you know what, if supply continues 1124 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,720 Speaker 1: to outpace demand, then why negotiate against yourself. Yeah, the 1125 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals are have a need, there's no doubt about it. 1126 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 1: But if all these corners are still available, then what's 1127 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: the urgency to up your offer right now? Yeah? I 1128 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 1: think obviously you're gonna have to get somebody and make 1129 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,560 Speaker 1: sure that you don't get completely left out and be 1130 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,000 Speaker 1: in a really bad spot. But yeah, I think that 1131 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: makes sense. And when it comes to Patrick Peterson in particular, 1132 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: he felt good about this team at the end of 1133 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,760 Speaker 1: the season and he was open with us. He said 1134 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 1: he wanted to come back and we'll see how it goes. 1135 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 1: And now with the moves they've made in free agency, 1136 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he's of the age where JJ Watt and 1137 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,200 Speaker 1: AJ Green. He knows the superstar abilities that they had 1138 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 1: in their primes because it was his prime too, and 1139 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,840 Speaker 1: he knows what those guys can bring. So I feel 1140 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: like that would make Patrick Peterson more excited about what 1141 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are doing and where they're going. And we'll 1142 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: see what that means as far as a contract. But 1143 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: maybe he follows suit and says I want to join 1144 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: this team because I think they have super Bowl potential. 1145 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: I might not get the contract that I was seeking, 1146 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: but hey, I'll go back and I'll try to push 1147 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: for that title as well. If you would have. There 1148 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,480 Speaker 1: are people that argue that the twenty eleven draft might 1149 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 1: have been one of the best of all time, and 1150 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 1: we're not talking about Peterson where to come back, you'd 1151 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: have three of the top eleven picks in that draft 1152 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: will be on this roster, JJ Watt one eleven, AJ 1153 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Green went four right before Patrick, I believe, and then 1154 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Patrick won five. You know, if they just would have 1155 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 1: signed Cam Newton as the backup quarterback, we could have 1156 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,600 Speaker 1: got the whole gang back together. I still remember patchowing 1157 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,840 Speaker 1: up as a rookie saying, yeah, this NFL thing, you know, 1158 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: Pat supreme confidence, rightfully, so, but Pat's saying, well, let's see, 1159 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,520 Speaker 1: I just spent my college career covering Julio Jones and 1160 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: AJ Green, So yeah, yeah, that was an SCC baptism 1161 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,440 Speaker 1: into the NFL covering those kind of guys. And players 1162 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: have an affinity for their draft class. Even all these 1163 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,240 Speaker 1: years later, I didn't realize AJ Green and JJ Watt 1164 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,680 Speaker 1: we're both in Patrick's But that's even more ammunition to that. 1165 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: Where you talk to guys that are drafted with certain guys, 1166 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: there's always that connection. I think of Christian Kirk and 1167 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds and Trent Shurfield. Those guys are so tight, 1168 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 1: same draft class, and then beyond just the guys and 1169 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,400 Speaker 1: your team. If you were drafted the same year, you 1170 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: went through a lot of things together. So I think 1171 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 1: that's another reason why Patrick Peterson looks at it and says, hey, 1172 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,840 Speaker 1: maybe that's the right situation for me. All right, no 1173 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,840 Speaker 1: other breaking news here. We need to a duck in 1174 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 1: on Cardinal's underground. I mean not at this point, but 1175 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: who knows. I mean, there's still daylight left. Okay, well, 1176 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, hey, you know, if you guys 1177 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 1: want more stories on the aj Green you know, or 1178 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: maybe our jim Omohundro, who shared a tweet from Mike 1179 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,920 Speaker 1: Leach former long snapper. When Olmo tweeted out a picture 1180 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,360 Speaker 1: of himself, his dad and Roy Green and Mike Leach, 1181 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,840 Speaker 1: the snarky one replied via Twitter, I didn't know Phil 1182 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,000 Speaker 1: Dawson is your dad, as he put a caption to 1183 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,440 Speaker 1: the photo, so thereby verifying my account. I don't make 1184 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,760 Speaker 1: these stories up about people thinking Phil Dawson was an 1185 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,360 Speaker 1: assistant coach. Put yeah, and of course Olm's dad was 1186 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinal's head trainer, John Olmand, for forty three years. 1187 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,000 Speaker 1: So that's that's that's good. That's all works in the 1188 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,160 Speaker 1: locker room way and every once in a while and 1189 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,440 Speaker 1: ends up on Twitter. So all right, there you go. 1190 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,479 Speaker 1: That's our emergency session here Cardinals Underground. As once again 1191 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,040 Speaker 1: we were gathered here today to celebrate the union and 1192 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. And it's a big name free agents, 1193 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 1: and who knows, we might be here again by the 1194 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,600 Speaker 1: end of the week. Once again, Cardinals Underground brought to 1195 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: you by a Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the 1196 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:22,960 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals.