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Speaker 1: now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: no David Hellman today here on the Draft Show. That's okay.
Speaker 1: We always find capable scouts to come in and work
Speaker 1: with Old Dame Brugler myself. Brian brought us here as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, Dame Brugler to my right, joining us from
Speaker 1: one oh five three The Fan, the Ben and Skin Show.
Speaker 1: One of our scouting buddies, though he puts in the work.
Speaker 1: Kevin kat Turner, welcome again, my friend. Yeah, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me. And every once in a while, Dave Hellman
Speaker 1: deserves a good week off, right. He's down there hanging
Speaker 1: out with the Saints down there at Motagra Hardian he
Speaker 1: is partying them up. So what we'll do, we'll do
Speaker 1: our very best here today. Uh God, it just seems
Speaker 1: like these weeks are flying by. We'll be an indie
Speaker 1: before we know that. Being an indie at the end
Speaker 1: of the month and looking forward to that. Last week,
Speaker 1: we went through a little bit of the some of
Speaker 1: the snubs and guys that should have been should have
Speaker 1: you know, maybe had some considerations from National Scouting Group.
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about those guys and why they
Speaker 1: potentially got snub But it looks like a pretty good
Speaker 1: combine list. So we're excited. The draft show will be there.
Speaker 1: We will have shows. Uh, let's see it Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: Saturday from uh from the Convention Center there in Indy
Speaker 1: with all the players and coaches and general managin stuff.
Speaker 1: So we look forward to doing that today though, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do a couple of different things. Uh. I
Speaker 1: want to get in Dane. Your fumble list came out
Speaker 1: for running backs. Yeah, my annual annual fund Fumble list. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fumble rates for all these college prospects. I went.
Speaker 1: I did the top thirty three, top thirty three running
Speaker 1: backs in the class, all the guys invited, the combine
Speaker 1: a few extras, but yeah, it's something I do every
Speaker 1: year at this time. UH, and it's just interesting look
Speaker 1: at how often these guys fumbled. Uh. And it's something
Speaker 1: that you know, we care about interceptions for quarterbacks, right, well,
Speaker 1: you know we should care as much for running backs
Speaker 1: and the fumbles. And it's not a you know, a direct,
Speaker 1: you know way to say how they're going to be
Speaker 1: in at the next level, but it's a good view
Speaker 1: of their ball security. How do you view these running
Speaker 1: backs in this straft so far from what you've seen?
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, there's the first tier, which is
Speaker 1: Barkley and then Jones and what do you have them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean and then I mean Jones. I watched him
Speaker 1: again on Saturday second viewing and felt better about him,
Speaker 1: a lot better about him with guys, I need to
Speaker 1: watch twenty sixteen. I mean, is that something that I
Speaker 1: need to do for guys got banged up into Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was definitely banged up this year. I mean the
Speaker 1: Old Miss game. This year he was outstanding. He had
Speaker 1: a he had a three or four game where he
Speaker 1: was looked like he was back to twenty sixteen for him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was better as a sophomore. I have
Speaker 1: Carrie on Johnson as my RB three. I love it now.
Speaker 1: See that's why I'm I'm I'm dancing right with you
Speaker 1: there and again we talked about him and we talked
Speaker 1: about guys. Yeah, I'm with you guys too, because I've
Speaker 1: I've got Barkley number one, Jones number two, and then
Speaker 1: I've got guys and Johnson back to back. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: my overall board. So I'm right there with you. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's much separation. Yeah, I tell you what,
Speaker 1: I'm impressed if you want to go get a running
Speaker 1: back in this draft. You know, I feel like you
Speaker 1: could kind of go down through this thing. I mean
Speaker 1: I even go down as far as with you know,
Speaker 1: when Michelle Nick Chubb. We've seen what we saw with Penny.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's depth at this draft, you know,
Speaker 1: throughout the draft. I just think that every one of
Speaker 1: these guys that I've looked at, I don't feel terrible
Speaker 1: about drafting any of them. I Mean there's sometimes you
Speaker 1: look at backs and you're kind of like going, nah,
Speaker 1: you know, not that guy. I know, I mean, why
Speaker 1: why that guy? But this group, I feel like that
Speaker 1: if you took any one of these guys, you would
Speaker 1: be pretty pretty good. Uh, you know, you'd have a
Speaker 1: good chance to help in your team. And that's why
Speaker 1: I've said, unless you know you're a team like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys of the Jaguars last two years, who just need
Speaker 1: that plug and play running back, right, The Cowboys took Zeke,
Speaker 1: the Jags took four Nett you know where you know
Speaker 1: it's kind of the last piece or you know something
Speaker 1: that could really help the offense. You know, a team
Speaker 1: like the Browns, but they need if so many need
Speaker 1: areas up and down the roster. That's why I'm not
Speaker 1: taking Barkley at one or four. I'm gonna wait until
Speaker 1: thirty three or thirty five. Maybe trade use that pick
Speaker 1: thirty three package of fourth and go up in the
Speaker 1: late first round to get your running back, whether that's
Speaker 1: Ronald with the USC running back, the Auburn running back,
Speaker 1: that l is you running back, you know, whatever one
Speaker 1: you want. So, yeah, it's the Barkley debate about running
Speaker 1: back and how early he should go. It's definitely a
Speaker 1: big part of this draft. I feel like we did
Speaker 1: this every year and then the last two years running
Speaker 1: back goes at pick four or it kind of changes,
Speaker 1: you know, dynamic. Yeah, And I want to mention this
Speaker 1: real quick too, because I was reviewing your your fumble list.
Speaker 1: If you're about to get into it, no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was reviewing your fumble list yesterday, and I couldn't help,
Speaker 1: but notice, you know, two of the Georgia running backs
Speaker 1: right there, one you had blow average and then near
Speaker 1: the bottom effects second worse than the entire list Sony Michelle.
Speaker 1: And immediately thought to the semifinal game where he had
Speaker 1: that huge fumble in the fourth quarter against Oklahoma that
Speaker 1: nearly costs him the game. Sure, right, And with these
Speaker 1: fumble lists, you know, I go back to their every
Speaker 1: fumble they had in their career. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: go back and watch it. Make sure it wasn't like
Speaker 1: a cheap fumble like you know, like a mesh right, uh,
Speaker 1: miscommunication with the quarterback or something like that. So make
Speaker 1: sure it was a legit fumble. And you know, go
Speaker 1: back and adam up through their career and make sure
Speaker 1: they're all offense or not. I don't count special teams fumble,
Speaker 1: so punt return, kick return, that kind of thing, just
Speaker 1: to keep everyone on the same level playing field, so offensive,
Speaker 1: and they are fumbles they had throughout their career. And
Speaker 1: with Sony Michelle, you know, you go back and look,
Speaker 1: and he only had two this year. So I think
Speaker 1: if you're gonna look at a positive. He had the
Speaker 1: second well, he had the second worst fumble rate among
Speaker 1: the thirty three backs that I looked at, but the
Speaker 1: improvement in right this season. Though. Over his career, he
Speaker 1: fumbled once every fifty four offensive touches, which is terrible.
Speaker 1: It's almost like once every two games or so. Sure,
Speaker 1: but when you look at it by year by year,
Speaker 1: he had five as a sophomore, three as a junior,
Speaker 1: two as a senior. So you know, it got a
Speaker 1: little bit better every year. And that's something good to see,
Speaker 1: and that's something that is proper context when you talk
Speaker 1: about this. Mark Walton, Miami running back, for example, he
Speaker 1: didn't fumble the last two years, but he has a
Speaker 1: very low fumble rate or high fumble rate, because he
Speaker 1: fumbled five times as a freshman. So that puts that
Speaker 1: number in the red flag category. So but nonetheless, I mean,
Speaker 1: these fumbles, the fumble rates are interesting. I kind of
Speaker 1: break it up into tiers. And so the top tier
Speaker 1: guys like Darryl Williams from LSU, right, you fumbled once
Speaker 1: every three hundred and fifty nine times he touched the ball,
Speaker 1: had only one fumble in college. Let me ask you,
Speaker 1: you guys this though, with these backs and what you've
Speaker 1: seen the fumble rate, and I want to get into
Speaker 1: every one of these guys, I really really do. I
Speaker 1: want to kind of go through that. But the running
Speaker 1: style we've seen from some of these backs men as
Speaker 1: a physical group of runners. If you asked me the
Speaker 1: way that the way that day, you know, and sometimes
Speaker 1: running style has a way of of kind of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you get the ball a lot, you're physical runner,
Speaker 1: you're spinning, you're trying to finish, You're trying to run
Speaker 1: over people. I think you know it. Fumbles do worry me.
Speaker 1: Fumbles do worry me. And especially you know with the
Speaker 1: way in this day and age of any games you play,
Speaker 1: especially in the NFL, the way turnovers dictate sometimes how
Speaker 1: you play. But let's go through who who you? Who
Speaker 1: you got is your as your guys there, Dane if
Speaker 1: you couldn't and by the way, this is something you
Speaker 1: tweeted out right, but if they follow your link, yeah
Speaker 1: on DP Brewer. Uh. If you want to get this
Speaker 1: list and go down through it, well, several of the
Speaker 1: players we talked about at the top, Ronald Jones, Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 1: carry On Johnson, they're all in the elite category, Okay.
Speaker 1: I think anything above, you know, like one seventy five
Speaker 1: or so is So if you're fumbling once every one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five offensive touches, that's the elite category. Okay.
Speaker 1: On the number that the threshold numbers, one seventy five,
Speaker 1: that for elite category category, right. I think average is
Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty five around there. So as
Speaker 1: long as you hit that one twenty five number, you're okay.
Speaker 1: They were about a dozen backs in this draft that
Speaker 1: hit that, but the elite category, Darl Darryl Williams as
Speaker 1: a top LSU running back fumbled once. Ronald Jones is
Speaker 1: up there. He's at two o seven, which is a
Speaker 1: great number and really encouraging for a guy who's not
Speaker 1: the biggest guy. I mean, he's probably about two hundred
Speaker 1: and five pounds and a lot of you know what.
Speaker 1: A finisher though, Mike up the gut runs yea, oh god, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he takes some contact there. Yeah. Saquon Barkley one hundred
Speaker 1: ninety three and then carry On Johnson one hundred ninety one.
Speaker 1: So those are outstanding numbers for three of the top
Speaker 1: running backs in the draft. Then we moved down a
Speaker 1: little bit. Mentioned Darius Guys's at one hundred, which you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit below average, a little bit below average
Speaker 1: than what you want. He needs to get that number
Speaker 1: up and improved. Or Shad Penny's one oh five, another
Speaker 1: player we've talked about as possible Day two pick U
Speaker 1: and then kind of the below average numbers. Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: is at ninety eight, Mark Walton, who I mentions at ninety,
Speaker 1: nahem Hinz eighty six. Oh, I watched him the Nakram
Speaker 1: Wadley sixty seven, h Kaylin Balage sixty six, and then
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle fifty four, which is the second worst. And
Speaker 1: like we said, he did get incrementally better, uh eliminating
Speaker 1: the fumbles down the stretch, but is still he has
Speaker 1: five in the last two years, and I think he
Speaker 1: had what twelve over his career, So it's still something
Speaker 1: that you need to pay attention to. You really liked
Speaker 1: the Williams kid, don't you? From LSU. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna have a better pro then he did
Speaker 1: at LSU. Yeah, and he's not because of guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's it's funny because he was the he
Speaker 1: was a highly rated recruit. Yeah four years ago. But
Speaker 1: he was a second running back recruit in Louisiana. But
Speaker 1: the number one running back recruit was Leonard Fournette. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so because of that, you know, he kind of
Speaker 1: went overlooked. He was stuck behind Fournette, then he was
Speaker 1: stuck behind Geis and but anytime he got a chance
Speaker 1: to step up, he did. Uh. And he he's reliable
Speaker 1: catching the ball in the backfield, doesn't phone ball, doesn't
Speaker 1: put the ball in the ground, pass pro Uh. He's
Speaker 1: not the most dynamic, explosive runner, but he gets what's
Speaker 1: blocked for him. I mean, I think he could be
Speaker 1: a ideal third down back. I'm not going to compare
Speaker 1: him to a guy, but you know, everything with Kamara
Speaker 1: on the way he burst onto the scene, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not but I'm saying a guy that can
Speaker 1: do everything right. But could he be again, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying the same player, but could he be for somebody
Speaker 1: like what Kamara was for the Saints? Could he be
Speaker 1: a guy that is spells you know, it comes as
Speaker 1: a backup. Uh, you know it's a guy that you said, block, catch,
Speaker 1: you know, all those positive things. Could he be a guy,
Speaker 1: uh that someone uses like that, like Kamar, like the
Speaker 1: Saints use Kamara. I think he's maybe he's not just explosive.
Speaker 1: I don't think, I mean, And that's why I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to compare the players. I'm just saying that what
Speaker 1: teams think about the second back, right, That's kind of
Speaker 1: what I'm asking there, right, And I think a guy
Speaker 1: like maybe like a Rex Burkhead and of England, like
Speaker 1: you know, like to what you're saying, the versatility, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I was. Yeah, where you could
Speaker 1: you could put him in a slot, you could, you
Speaker 1: could do a lot different things with him as a
Speaker 1: pass catcher, as a blocker, as a rusher. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna hurt you out there, right, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like a Rex Burkhead, He's not overly dynamic.
Speaker 1: He's not going to necessarily be a guy that defenses
Speaker 1: have to game plan for. But again, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: hurt you out there, and he can help your football team,
Speaker 1: is he? Are we talking kind of early day three
Speaker 1: type of guy things, and which is kind of the
Speaker 1: area where you see a lot of these I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that he's that because I haven't seen him yet,
Speaker 1: But like specialty type guys, I think back to last
Speaker 1: year the Tarikko on types, you know, the late third round,
Speaker 1: early fourth round for Donel Pumphrey. Yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think about those type of guys. Yeah, no, I well,
Speaker 1: I think he's like I liked Pumphrey. I think he's
Speaker 1: a better player than Pumphrey. And I'm not saying because
Speaker 1: of LSU bias or anything like that. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it overall. Even Pumphrey led the world in yards and
Speaker 1: all that stuff like that, this guy, this guy's got
Speaker 1: some abilities tiny and he got hurt in the NFL
Speaker 1: though he have that. Yeah, he mentioned Carrie on Johnson
Speaker 1: a little bit. Oh yeah, well talk about him a
Speaker 1: little bit. The Auburn running back man. I enjoyed watching
Speaker 1: him esterday. It's kind of weird how he's built. I
Speaker 1: didn't really realize that, you know, I'm just watching the
Speaker 1: games during the season with Auburn. I didn't realize how
Speaker 1: kind of he's not tall, but he looks tall. It
Speaker 1: looks like, yeah, yeah, he does yeah high hips, he
Speaker 1: runs long legged. He's really upright the way his style
Speaker 1: is too. But he's a finisher though. I mean you
Speaker 1: could watch him. I mean knees but go ahead, I'm
Speaker 1: just the way you would kind of take the ball.
Speaker 1: And his first couple of steps reminded me of de
Speaker 1: Marco Murray. Oh this kind of looked like just kind
Speaker 1: of long legs. Yeah, I mean that's that's I loved everything.
Speaker 1: I thought there was good patience, good vision, and real tough.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, you see guys get hands on him
Speaker 1: and he's running through content. I saw a lot of
Speaker 1: inside runs with him, yeah, you know, and him having
Speaker 1: to fight through you know, running I mean, and and
Speaker 1: he's got these subtle moves too for kind of a
Speaker 1: long legged looking guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's I mean, I
Speaker 1: will saying it's plant and he makes a lot of
Speaker 1: guys miss in space. I hate, you know, bringing up
Speaker 1: the name, but Levion Bell. Do you see a lot
Speaker 1: of that, because that's fair, it's because of what you're saying.
Speaker 1: The patience, yeah, I mean he allows the blockers to
Speaker 1: do their job. He's very good with his vision to
Speaker 1: understand what the defense is trying to do, and then
Speaker 1: he picks his spots and he goes And when you
Speaker 1: first watch him, like I didn't, I didn't really expect much.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't that impressed. But then like the more
Speaker 1: you watch him, you realize, like, you know, this work works, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he really understands what he's doing out there. He's not
Speaker 1: the most graceful between the tackles, but yeah, he maximizes,
Speaker 1: maximizes each run. And I've said this before, but he
Speaker 1: might be the toughest running back I've ever scouted in
Speaker 1: terms of pain tolerance, getting beat up and shoulder right.
Speaker 1: Dealt with that shoulder. He's too tiny. It's still going
Speaker 1: out there and you know, giving everything he has to
Speaker 1: help the offense. So I mean, carry on Johnson. To me,
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why he's a top four
Speaker 1: back for me and fighting to be that number three
Speaker 1: guy behind Barkley and Jones. See that's you know, you
Speaker 1: watch him play and the offense is really is it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a college offense though with I
Speaker 1: mean they'll spread you out and stuff, but the way
Speaker 1: that is, it's Stillman's the quarterback Stitman Stidham, Jared Stidham,
Speaker 1: Stidham Stidham. He'll he'll take the snap and he'll put
Speaker 1: the ball right there. And it's like it's okay, somebody
Speaker 1: go get the in. It's slow, slow, and then they
Speaker 1: and then he gets the ball and the next thing
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's like in the secondary. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's that like you said with DeMarco Murray, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like very slow starting and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he's covering ground. And I see that with what
Speaker 1: he's saying with Bell too, though. Yeah, you could see
Speaker 1: the cuts and just the shiftiness is there. And let
Speaker 1: me ask you about this because there's another guy in
Speaker 1: that backfield but I haven't seen yet as pet Way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think about him? He's basically a mack
Speaker 1: truck who just tries to run over you. And again
Speaker 1: he's he's a Mike Tilbert. Yeah, I mean he's see
Speaker 1: what he wighs in at the combine. I expect somewhere
Speaker 1: two forty to two fifty in there, and uh, not
Speaker 1: a game breaker by any means. But you know, I
Speaker 1: have a late round guy, um, a guy that's you know,
Speaker 1: gonna run over you more than do anything else. But
Speaker 1: he actually came in low on the my Fumble chart.
Speaker 1: He had quite a few fumbles. Yeah, he had a
Speaker 1: fumble every fifty eight touches, so that's a number he
Speaker 1: needs to him. I mean, we shouldn't go on that
Speaker 1: way in the NFL, Like, there's very few teams the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are being one of them, really rely on one
Speaker 1: running back. But there's very few teams now really rely
Speaker 1: on one guy. If you look at this, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: now you go to college, you LSU and Georgia and
Speaker 1: Auburn right there, and there's other teams that have, you know,
Speaker 1: two running backs. You know. I think the Saint I
Speaker 1: think the Saints the way they played this year was
Speaker 1: a wake up call for a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hope, you know, I mean in a way, and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's a it's a day where Kamara
Speaker 1: will will take over, but I think that you do
Speaker 1: have to have a couple of different players to play
Speaker 1: this thing. Well, I see, And that's the thing with
Speaker 1: Kamara is you say you made him the feature runner,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be the same back. He wouldn't have to guy, right,
Speaker 1: I mean he I mean, could he do it, probably,
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't. I don't think you'd have the same
Speaker 1: impact because you have mark Ingraham as your bell cow
Speaker 1: the guy that's uh, you know, forcing defenses to respect
Speaker 1: the run. But they have Kamara that you can work
Speaker 1: into the mix, who is just as capable, you know,
Speaker 1: taking handoffs and running it up the gut. But you
Speaker 1: flux him out, you you know, use him as a
Speaker 1: decoy on some plays, use him as a target. Where
Speaker 1: he landed was just a perfect fit for his skill
Speaker 1: set and the way they use him. And so you
Speaker 1: know it's not too say, you know, Kamara's just a
Speaker 1: product of that system. He's he's a very good player,
Speaker 1: but the way he's used with Ingram is important for
Speaker 1: his overall impact. And I think you can say that
Speaker 1: about some of these other running backs. You know, not
Speaker 1: every running back is meant to be that bell cow runner, right,
Speaker 1: and you just have to understand what he's used for.
Speaker 1: I got like Nihim Hines, who I mentioned Fantasy State.
Speaker 1: Yes he's not. I don't see him as every down, No,
Speaker 1: that's not who he is. I think he's to me,
Speaker 1: he's like a James White for uh the Patriots, where
Speaker 1: he can help you as a rusher, receiver, returner. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know you kind of have to move him around.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's every running backs a little different,
Speaker 1: and I think more teams should build their backfields similar
Speaker 1: to what the Saints have done. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a I think that's a great way to look at
Speaker 1: these uh, these running backs. I think, hey, find the guy,
Speaker 1: find if you know, if a guy fits. I don't
Speaker 1: think you know, phasing out right, oh you don't need
Speaker 1: running back. No, I think that it's an important piece
Speaker 1: to what you're trying to do offensively in this day
Speaker 1: and age, especially if you get a guy that can
Speaker 1: run and they can and also catch, right. You know
Speaker 1: Leo teams who were in the Super Bowl this year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they use multiple running backs all year long. Now, highest
Speaker 1: drafted running back and the Super Bowl was like the
Speaker 1: fourth round. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's not to
Speaker 1: say that you can't get a running back early, but
Speaker 1: you don't have to. You know, you can get those right.
Speaker 1: Corey Clement was he was undrafted. I think James White
Speaker 1: was the fourth round of Rex Burkhead was a Day
Speaker 1: three Pickie was a fourth and fifth rounder. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you can get these running backs later and
Speaker 1: you can build the backfield kind of you know, to
Speaker 1: fit your strengths as an offense. And that's what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at done was Zeke u. It took a high price,
Speaker 1: and I think the payoff is there so far when
Speaker 1: he's on the field, but just goes to show you
Speaker 1: you don't have to do it that way. And as
Speaker 1: quick aside, I think reminder real quickly the Zeke thing,
Speaker 1: which I was all on board for, I think we
Speaker 1: should always never forget that Romo was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the quarterback this year. Yeah, and the whole thing was
Speaker 1: let's go win one for Romo, right. The fastest way
Speaker 1: to do that to take the running back. Take the
Speaker 1: run back. If you look at that. Okay, well, thank
Speaker 1: you Dane. If you again, what's If you want to
Speaker 1: see Dane's fumble numbers, go to DP Burgle. I reteeted
Speaker 1: it last night myself, and so check that out if
Speaker 1: you want to go through that. Okay, when we come
Speaker 1: back here the SWBC Mortgage Studios, we'll do a little
Speaker 1: twitter on the twenty and then at later in the program,
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Speaker 1: from one oh five three, The fan sitting in for
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman today who is catching beads on the streets
Speaker 1: of New Orleans, having a hurricane, having a hurricane or two,
Speaker 1: and King Garrison executive producing. Uh. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: parts of the show is when we do this with
Speaker 1: a Twitter on the twenty But just real quick before
Speaker 1: we get going, condolences to Jason Garrett. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm very critical of Jason Garrett, but you know, when
Speaker 1: you lose a loved one such as his father, I
Speaker 1: scouted with his dad, Jim Garrett for six years here
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, and Jim had a tremendous passion for scouting,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I want to again send along
Speaker 1: my condolences. One of the most passionate speeches I've ever
Speaker 1: heard and involving a player, was for Randy Moss and
Speaker 1: he if you ever I wish I could put out
Speaker 1: the video of that speech that he gave on behalf
Speaker 1: of Randy Moss and to argue with Chan Gaily at
Speaker 1: the time, and Dwayne painted the wide receiver coach with
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones listening, Jerry Jones having his glasses on the
Speaker 1: end of his nose, looking over at Jim Garrett and
Speaker 1: Jim Garrett said, Jerry, this isn't the boy Scouts, it's
Speaker 1: the NFL. And Jerry looked at him and that's what
Speaker 1: closed it. That that closed, you know. Jerry said, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you Jim. And he was right. Jim Garrett was right.
Speaker 1: Jim Garrett was right far more than he was wrong.
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed working with Jim. He brought a unique
Speaker 1: perspective to what scouting was all about. He was a
Speaker 1: hard worker, He'd seen some great players and so yes,
Speaker 1: a condolences to the Garrett family. We lost a really
Speaker 1: good scout in Jim Garrett. All Right. With that being said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to a little my favorite. We're going
Speaker 1: to a little this Twitter on the Twitter and I
Speaker 1: will eventually get it out. Okay, boys, let's start this
Speaker 1: out with a little Twitter on twenty with no Dave
Speaker 1: Hellman here today. I've got to be the guy. Oh
Speaker 1: and Jonah, our buddy Jonah who always writes in wants
Speaker 1: to know is Durwin James in round one or Jesse
Speaker 1: Bates and Rashid Golden in round two? Okay, so I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Bates, but watching Golden on Saturday, and I
Speaker 1: am now in love I can't believe there's not more
Speaker 1: buzz on Golden. He's incredible. Well, it's funny because I
Speaker 1: I watched him or I studied you know, his film
Speaker 1: like a month ago, and and thank you for and
Speaker 1: lighting and lighting all of us. Well, you know, and
Speaker 1: I stamped a second round grade on him. I loved him.
Speaker 1: I thought this is a perfect nickel for the NFL
Speaker 1: game plays be toughness off the charts. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: I told you brought us. I was like, listen, there's
Speaker 1: no buzz on this guy. Watch him telling what you think?
Speaker 1: Am I crazy here? You watched him? You gave him
Speaker 1: one a third round grade? I think initially I did,
Speaker 1: And then I started watching him some more and I'm like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's the top thing. And then you guys
Speaker 1: saw him, and so yeah, I'm with you on Golden.
Speaker 1: Now he's I'm surprised there's no buzz, but I think
Speaker 1: it's I'm expecting that hype train to take off soon.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that there are plays and you can tell
Speaker 1: that he's just a real smart, instinctive player. There are
Speaker 1: plays where he gets in and he knocks the ball
Speaker 1: out with his hands. In last minute recovers and like
Speaker 1: his adjustments on the fly, you know, his body adjustments,
Speaker 1: just being able to quickly stop and get back into
Speaker 1: a play if he's overran it or whatever. And there
Speaker 1: was some field awareness too, or said, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: Meca tackle knowing exactly where the chains are. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: played mainly in the slot. We're talking about Rashawn Golden
Speaker 1: from Tennessee. Yeah, mainly in the slot. But it's six
Speaker 1: foot you know, you play outside. And I guess that's
Speaker 1: why the questions coming down. Should he play you know, safety?
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys think. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: him at safety. I'll tell you what I think him.
Speaker 1: I think Bates is a hell of a player though, too. Yes,
Speaker 1: what great you get I got both those guys in
Speaker 1: the second round. Okay, see, I gave Bits a third song.
Speaker 1: I'm close to you. I mean, this is a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just reading my notes again, as I
Speaker 1: always do. Burst plays with his eyes, those had to
Speaker 1: play the ball in the air, drives ball skills, has
Speaker 1: a feel for how to position himself for tacklers tackle.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, but to play offhand knock the ball away
Speaker 1: like the way he carries himselves, not afraid to step
Speaker 1: up and make a play. It's always around the ball.
Speaker 1: Can play him up back. I see him, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean in that single high look. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with Bates. I see why Jonah asked the question. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the most important traits for safety is you
Speaker 1: have to trust what you see. Yeah, and he does.
Speaker 1: He does, Heason. It helps him put put himself in
Speaker 1: a position to make plays. Um My biggest question with
Speaker 1: him might be is just his frame. Yeah, well but
Speaker 1: he's he's six one one. That's the measurables we have
Speaker 1: right now. If you if you talk about Golden, we
Speaker 1: have Golden just over six foot one ninety three. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I have Golden as a corner. Okay, But with Bates,
Speaker 1: I like, I got a GM tell me once that
Speaker 1: he's Okay, you're gonna play Golden a corner outside or
Speaker 1: you're gonna play him mainly in the slot. I think
Speaker 1: he's an ideal nickel. Okay, that's what I think. That's
Speaker 1: what it's what he did at Tennessee. I don't know
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, in the NFL, not not saying
Speaker 1: you can't play safety. And he can't play corner outside corners.
Speaker 1: I think he could, but I think his best fit
Speaker 1: might be inside of the nickel with Bates. I had
Speaker 1: a GM once tell me, just in general, that his
Speaker 1: team would never draft a sub two hundred pound safety.
Speaker 1: They never would. Yeah, And you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: something I thought was crazy, But then I thought more
Speaker 1: about it, and over the years I've kind of gained
Speaker 1: a little more respect for that take, just because usually
Speaker 1: we don't see sub two hundred pound safeties hold up. Now,
Speaker 1: it's not impossible, right, Buddha, Baker, Honey Badger, Guys, who
Speaker 1: are you know, the corner safety hybrids. You know, they've
Speaker 1: shown they can survive in this league just fine. Bates
Speaker 1: is a corner safety hybrid. He's more of a true safety,
Speaker 1: and I think I still have a third drunk grade
Speaker 1: on I think he'd be a very good NFL player,
Speaker 1: But that would be one of my main concerns with
Speaker 1: him going to the next long. You know, I think
Speaker 1: in this day and age of having to be able
Speaker 1: to and maybe not all safeties have to cover, you know,
Speaker 1: but the ones that do, yeah, give him my you know,
Speaker 1: more portantly, give me the ones that could tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that there's dirt one for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about that. Back to the question, Yeah, who would
Speaker 1: you take. Who's a better cover guy? He's called in
Speaker 1: a better cover guy than Derwin? I would say, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, or at least or at least what you
Speaker 1: see on you know, on tape. And there were times
Speaker 1: when Derwin wasn't asked to do a lot of that,
Speaker 1: you know at Florida State. But I think Derwin is
Speaker 1: a better tackler and maybe I mean, he's clearly the
Speaker 1: best tackle he can God, can he tackle? Darwin is
Speaker 1: more of he's going to body slam tackle you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing I watch him play. They're playing
Speaker 1: Florida and they're wearing they're wearing white uniforms, and his
Speaker 1: uniform is dirty. Yeah, I mean he's got mud and
Speaker 1: dirt and grass stains all over him. And I'm looking
Speaker 1: at him, going, this guy's a corner, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's playing like he's playing like he's the only one
Speaker 1: in Tennessee that cares on defense. Well, I think that's
Speaker 1: some one of the reasons why he's kind of going
Speaker 1: underrated right now. The bad Tennessee team. Yeah, and those
Speaker 1: people see t watch this kid, They're like, oh, he
Speaker 1: must not be very good because Tennessee defense was cheese.
Speaker 1: But okay, so let's answer the question. Would you rather
Speaker 1: have Derwin James in the first? Okay? Yeah? Were Sean
Speaker 1: Golden in the second? Who would what direction would you
Speaker 1: rather go? If you're the Cowboys, I'd rather have Golden
Speaker 1: in the second? I think it's that close. I would
Speaker 1: go Derwin. I love Derwin. I would first round grade
Speaker 1: on Derwin. And I'll tell you what I would You know,
Speaker 1: we need to get into a show where who am
Speaker 1: I getting at nineteen? And yeah, we did have a
Speaker 1: show of like who do you feel bad you have
Speaker 1: in the first round? You know, who is that guy
Speaker 1: that's making you you know, do that bit first? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean first say it. I'm just saying, and I'm saying,
Speaker 1: who is that guy that makes you just cringe? When
Speaker 1: you're like, god, he's a first round? If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: come away with Derwin James in the first round, your
Speaker 1: initial reaction is good. Fact why I'm taking the best
Speaker 1: player And I love Rashwan Golden. I'm the president of
Speaker 1: his fan club. You are the president. I will give
Speaker 1: you credit for that. But I will take Derwin James
Speaker 1: in the first round. Okay, but a counterpoint, if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get Rashawn Golden from Tennessee at fifty, what's your
Speaker 1: reaction high five? Oh yeah, I'll take both of them.
Speaker 1: Give me safety safe, let's go, We'll take give me
Speaker 1: all this. Okay, let's go back at it, though, Like
Speaker 1: you said, if you took Okay, let's say we play
Speaker 1: your mock. You take Hurst, huh, and you take Golden
Speaker 1: in the second You're you're okay? Oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: feel great about that. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm getting two guys
Speaker 1: that were my top fifty. He doesn't feel good. I'm
Speaker 1: taking Hurst because Derwin wasn't there. He doesn't feel good though.
Speaker 1: If you take Win there, though, I wouldn't hate it,
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't like it. Fernandez, don't give
Speaker 1: me an offensive lineman on the top twenty Hurst over Win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking an offensive lineman on the top twenty.
Speaker 1: Un listen, Quinn Nelson. That's just me. Yeah, especially for
Speaker 1: this team, for this team, because again, they don't need
Speaker 1: an operation on the offensive line. They need a band aid.
Speaker 1: And I'm not drafting a band aid in the first
Speaker 1: round of nineteen overall. Now you could convince me about
Speaker 1: trading back. Oh, we already did. We played that game.
Speaker 1: I here, Dane, here's the third round. Yea, that you
Speaker 1: could convince me give him, give him somebody in the
Speaker 1: top one hundred. He is, he is blent. But again
Speaker 1: he's going to get it. He's going to get a
Speaker 1: diet PEPSI in a in a Turkey. I love Isaiah Win.
Speaker 1: I love he's eighteen on my board. Well, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just so, I'm just trying playing along with you here.
Speaker 1: That's good, good discussion. Thanks. I think I think on
Speaker 1: the twenties rocking so far. I think that I think
Speaker 1: that uh oh, let's see here. Okay, okay, here's Matt.
Speaker 1: Matt wants to know, by the expert Chare at the
Speaker 1: draft show, how far does someone like Mika, Fitzpatrick or
Speaker 1: Chubb have to fall before you think about moving up.
Speaker 1: I don't want him. I mean, I'm you're not a
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a big fan. I'm not a huge
Speaker 1: Chubb or Mica. I like Mika. Is he making those
Speaker 1: guys is a cringer? Yeah, a little bit. Both of
Speaker 1: those guys are like guys I'm happy to have five
Speaker 1: guy for him, I think. I mean, in most drafts,
Speaker 1: are you you played to the draft that you have
Speaker 1: in this draft? And yes? To me, they're both top
Speaker 1: five guys. Sure, all right, we saw what happened last
Speaker 1: year with the you know, with our Alabama guy and
Speaker 1: our Ohio State guy. I'm not trying to give up
Speaker 1: pick fifty or pick eighty one. Let's just say that hypothetical.
Speaker 1: He's Mica Fitzpatrick's there at eight, and uh who's at eight? Bears,
Speaker 1: you gotta give up pick fifth. Chicago calls you and says,
Speaker 1: nineteen and fifty you can move to eight to get Minka.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna drafton Nelson there, probably Nelson there on
Speaker 1: this scene. I'm probably moving up to take Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1: Oh or if you want to replace Minka with Chubb
Speaker 1: in that scenario, say it's truly right here. I don't. Well,
Speaker 1: I just don't see any way Chubb falls out of
Speaker 1: the top five. I don't either, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, we thought that again, Well, the quarterbacks always
Speaker 1: come run in two. Jonathan Allen was a shoulder more
Speaker 1: than anything, right, and he wasn't a true pass Rusher.
Speaker 1: You know, he was more of an inside guy or
Speaker 1: you know, a five take your buddy if the Colts
Speaker 1: takes him. You had him in the mock, didn't you there,
Speaker 1: didn't you have Chubb going to Colts? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think, well, let's just say that for hypothetical stake,
Speaker 1: they don't go quarterback. Yeah, you know, let's say they
Speaker 1: they're okay with Burssette and wait and see on luck.
Speaker 1: But they they're an interesting spot because you know, they
Speaker 1: could go Barkley we you know, or say, I know
Speaker 1: it is talked about how they want they need a
Speaker 1: draft a big time running back high and all that,
Speaker 1: But this is Chris Ballard's team and he's going to
Speaker 1: do his best for the team. And I think that
Speaker 1: would be just hired by Frank Reich by the way, too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could hired of that. I think Chubb would be
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense for India three. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but I get what you're saying about. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to see them trade up either. No,
Speaker 1: I like both those players, Mika and Chubb. I don't
Speaker 1: think either You're gonna fall that far where they even
Speaker 1: have the option to trade up for him. So I'm
Speaker 1: not sure it'll be an issue, but if they did,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate because you're getting a top five player.
Speaker 1: But I give you a spot ten and what's the
Speaker 1: spot where it's switches from fifty to eighty one that
Speaker 1: you're giving up? I would say eight, yeah, eight, eight
Speaker 1: to nine ten, one of those. Yeah, I'll just stay well, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and this team needs more than one and its oh no,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. I mean, I'm not. I'm just
Speaker 1: it's a good question. Though. We're gonna do a show
Speaker 1: about going up gets out of here and one of
Speaker 1: these shows. Get ready for that, folks, Buddy Sean wants
Speaker 1: to know. They're always guys shooting up the draftboards after
Speaker 1: the combine. Who do you see jumping this year? Do
Speaker 1: you have a combine jumper? Well, we talked about what
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this last week a little bit
Speaker 1: with when I stunned you LSU guys, when I said
Speaker 1: DJ Charker Dante Jackson could get into the first and
Speaker 1: I stopped that real quick. Dante Jackson may go run
Speaker 1: of four, two five, right. Kind of liked him, didn't you. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: when you have that type of speed. That type of
Speaker 1: athleticism didn't look easy. He makes running look easy. He's
Speaker 1: kind crazy all over the place. I make running look
Speaker 1: very difficult. He makes running look very simple. Well, and
Speaker 1: exactly one hundred and seventy five pounds, right us? Is
Speaker 1: that we're talking about any rule about your hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five pound corner not a corner. Corners need to
Speaker 1: cover and he and you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: big time tackler. Just get him on the ground and
Speaker 1: he can do that. Hey plays hard to like you
Speaker 1: had the little the little man fight skills, you know,
Speaker 1: go get the ankles. He might be Yeah, he might say,
Speaker 1: don't tackle. No, I said, I don't I care. You
Speaker 1: need to cover if you're a corner, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: As a run defender, you just need to get him
Speaker 1: on the ground. If you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: perfect form tackler, no, but you might need some real
Speaker 1: mostments at times. And I don't think he missed a ton.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't miss It's a physical little guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would like him. Yeah, heck yeah, that type of athleticism.
Speaker 1: You know those guys who go high and I think
Speaker 1: Dante Jackson DJ Chark two guys that are going to
Speaker 1: test really well. And again Will Fuller, we saw you know,
Speaker 1: Oh no, Will Fuller, he's not the most well rounded receiver.
Speaker 1: You know, again, Dutch in full notre dame. You can
Speaker 1: be a one trick pony as long as you're really
Speaker 1: good at that one trick. Yeah, you know. And DJ Chark,
Speaker 1: which charts one trick vertical separation. Yeah, he can get
Speaker 1: behind the defense and he might have to be the
Speaker 1: most most consistent pass catcher. But when you have that
Speaker 1: type of speed, again, Will Fuller, he had more drops
Speaker 1: than you know, most of the receivers drafted that year. Prediction.
Speaker 1: Could he be the second wide receiver taken? Could sure?
Speaker 1: I don't see why not. Again, I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: not wouldn't be for me at all. He's not close.
Speaker 1: He just he just grinted his job. He's Mickey, he's
Speaker 1: number eleven, Yeah, number eleven for you, number eight Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. I'm not a big fan. But again, when
Speaker 1: you had that type of speed, the question was who's
Speaker 1: going to kind of vault up after the combine? Dante Jackson,
Speaker 1: DJ Chart, guys are gonna run really well. I expect it.
Speaker 1: I think Denzel Ward's gonna run really well. But I
Speaker 1: already think he's in the top ten. But I think
Speaker 1: that'll kind of squash any you know, worries about him
Speaker 1: maybe falling a little bit because of his size. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean speed kills and that's that's kind of Oh no,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, combine you know thinking all right? Ever
Speaker 1: John Ross last year? Oh, I remember John Ross, but
Speaker 1: needed to wear those Adidas shoes. Wear the right shoes
Speaker 1: or if he if he wore those shoes, would he
Speaker 1: have set the record? Get some money? Yeah? Bleed Blue
Speaker 1: wants to know are there any day two or three
Speaker 1: pass rushers that can make an impact there? Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: All right, well, or well can I step in? Can
Speaker 1: I be taking ahead? Dan? Dane loves Duke Edgio four? Yea,
Speaker 1: there we go. There's you a good second round pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I like that. Um, as long as it watched the red, right,
Speaker 1: I gotta watch the green. And I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: grades on my on my other talking about Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: my other edge guys that I have like second round
Speaker 1: grades on. It's Harold Landry who will go in the
Speaker 1: first round. It's Marcus Davenport who will likely go in
Speaker 1: the first round. Uh. But then I've got Sam Hubbard
Speaker 1: there and there's yet a little Day two guy. Think
Speaker 1: Hubbard's not gonna wow you. He's not going to uh
Speaker 1: you know, is he like Hubbard going to get picked
Speaker 1: at twenty nine thirty one? Aunt Patsy. He's very smart
Speaker 1: and this is a guy that he was a lacrosse player.
Speaker 1: He was going to Notre Dame and play lacrosse out
Speaker 1: of high school and he got a chance to Rameyer
Speaker 1: came in, flexed his muscles and said you're coming to
Speaker 1: Ohio State, played football and next thing you know, he
Speaker 1: went from safety to linebacker to defensive end and so
Speaker 1: he's only been in the position for three years and
Speaker 1: he's the strides that he's made really impressive. He's very smart,
Speaker 1: very instinctive. A lot of preparation goes into what he does. Again,
Speaker 1: not gonna vow you, but I think the impact that
Speaker 1: he can make is why he's going to be in
Speaker 1: that late first early second and brought us let me
Speaker 1: ask you about a guy, because uh, I think this
Speaker 1: is a guy. Maybe maybe it's more of a third round,
Speaker 1: but he said, you know, Day two or whatever. Chad
Speaker 1: Thomas from Miami. The music guy, Okay, the music man. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what do you think about him? I kind of liked
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I wasn't I was disappointed we
Speaker 1: didn't get to h c him more at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was I think the first practice and then he
Speaker 1: had to exit because of an injury. But he had
Speaker 1: a nice week the week before the Shrine. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: tall yeah, six five Right, he's a good looking athlete.
Speaker 1: Uh and he like a lot of those guys, not
Speaker 1: quite sure what he's doing yet, but there are some
Speaker 1: traits there that you think could be worth drafting. How
Speaker 1: about am I am? I'm off base with hand from hand? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean is that an off base? Is that way
Speaker 1: off base for us? I think what you get to
Speaker 1: where you're gonna play him, That's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was trying to think of a guy, maybe a rusher,
Speaker 1: a little bit of a guy that we saw. I
Speaker 1: saw this kid that Kylie fits from Utah, from Utah.
Speaker 1: I thought he was left in kind of a guy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't terribly excited about him, but you know, I
Speaker 1: know some people at the Senior Boy he looked thought
Speaker 1: better at the Senior Bowl than he did uh on
Speaker 1: on tape. How about your guy? Uh uh Hercules, Hercules matafa?
Speaker 1: How about him? You don't know where to play him either,
Speaker 1: do you? Uh No? And I don't know how anyone
Speaker 1: could because he was an interior your player at two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds. Um, you know it's one thing
Speaker 1: to say that. Oh yeah, I just put him outside. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well I think he had single digit snaps outside for
Speaker 1: Washington State last year, so it's not like he's accustomed
Speaker 1: to playing out there. Not to say he can't do it,
Speaker 1: but it's a projection. Um kind of looks like a rusher.
Speaker 1: Though his burst off the line is unbelievable. He has
Speaker 1: arguably the best first step in this draft. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you two names ahead. Keep in mind Josh Sweat
Speaker 1: from Florida State. Need to watch him and Doran's Armstrong
Speaker 1: from Kansas. Two pass rushers who are going to be
Speaker 1: Say the names again so people can kind of get
Speaker 1: a jump on those. Josh Sweat from Florida State, Josh
Speaker 1: Set Florida Store. These are all names have familiar with
Speaker 1: because I've just they're gonna be in the second fourth
Speaker 1: round range somewhere um, and I think they're going to be.
Speaker 1: I mean they're both they both had their holes. That's
Speaker 1: why they're not being talked about his first rounders or anything.
Speaker 1: But U Doran's armstrong. You see the basketball background, contact balance.
Speaker 1: He he was great as a sophomore and then his
Speaker 1: production fell off. But you got to keep in mind
Speaker 1: he's playing on a Kansas team where he's one of
Speaker 1: maybe two pros on that defense. Easy for offense is
Speaker 1: the game plan against him. Josh Sweat, he was a
Speaker 1: big time recruit out of high school. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: the he didn't really have the career many thought he
Speaker 1: could have had at Florida State. But he's he's got tools.
Speaker 1: He's got athletic tools that you want to develop and
Speaker 1: add to your rotation. So I think both those guys
Speaker 1: are kind of that second and fourth round mix. Got
Speaker 1: some names. R K T. Nice got one more here
Speaker 1: before we h a man the real low wants to know. Uh,
Speaker 1: he wants to know. Dane. Do you believe Win can
Speaker 1: start for the Cowboys right now? Yes? Not even I
Speaker 1: mean forget August. He could start today. I mean there's
Speaker 1: no reason to think that he couldn't. And again, this
Speaker 1: is a guy who played guard as an underclassman, played off,
Speaker 1: started off fifteen games that left tackle, and I think
Speaker 1: he can play tackle on a pinch, just like Zach
Speaker 1: Martin could. But just like Martin, he's better inside the bend.
Speaker 1: The flexibility, the hips, the punch, it's all there where.
Speaker 1: He can handle NFL rushers from the get go. He's
Speaker 1: a Day one starter. Whoever drafts him had just pencil
Speaker 1: Himan in your depth chart number one at guard. That's
Speaker 1: who he is. And that's again I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: The follow up is you want to know his follow up?
Speaker 1: Then why not take him at nineteen? Because my offensive
Speaker 1: line is already a strength. The offensive line is already
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Speaker 1: in the last fifteen minutes of the show. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: Separate is what I want to know. I want to
Speaker 1: know what you guys think about. And these are kind
Speaker 1: of some guys. In my mind, I feel like that
Speaker 1: they are pretty close. Maybe you guys might have them
Speaker 1: a round apart. Maybe you like them a little bit better,
Speaker 1: a little worse than but separating for me, and this
Speaker 1: happens like in real war room board and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just you're going to have clusters you are. Bill
Speaker 1: Parcel said, they're all stacked in there like club sandwiches.
Speaker 1: Help me out here. Boys don't want you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want five or six guys. It just closes up
Speaker 1: for board. Hey, is a guy a second round guy
Speaker 1: or is it a third round guy? Guys want to
Speaker 1: talk about here? I want to talk about James Daniels,
Speaker 1: center from Iowa, and I want to talk about Billy
Speaker 1: Price center guard from Ohio State Dane. In my mind,
Speaker 1: these two guys are similar in ound. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: second round type players, second third type, maybe two three
Speaker 1: guys for you separate the two. For me, we actually
Speaker 1: both one twos. Okay for me, I love both. And
Speaker 1: this is tough because with James Daniels, I think I'm
Speaker 1: kind of overcompensating, uh, because I don't want to come
Speaker 1: off bias because he's from my hometown, good Old one
Speaker 1: Name High School. No, I went to the Catholic high school.
Speaker 1: He was to the public high school. Um, but my
Speaker 1: sister went to the public high school with him. They
Speaker 1: graduated together. And so he's brother of the Packer defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Is it yes? Is it? Yeah? I think so? Someone
Speaker 1: told me. I think I'm right about that. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think I asked that question the other night. Oh
Speaker 1: was it you asked? He's a brother of Lashawn Daniels,
Speaker 1: a former running back out of Iowa who had a
Speaker 1: couple of Okay, well my apologies, din't maybe both Iowa guys, right, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, and last named Daniels. Yeah, okay, it's common.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so James Daniels I like a lot. When
Speaker 1: you watch his tape, you're kind of, I don't you
Speaker 1: know what your preconceived notions are going in, but you
Speaker 1: kind of you're watching all of a sudden, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't have any bad reps. Like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: really impressive. He's winning the point of attack with his hands,
Speaker 1: he's balanced in his pass sets. Uh you know, he's
Speaker 1: creating movement in the run game. Yeah. Yeah. You look
Speaker 1: on your notes and there's all these positives, you negatives,
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, like why you run out
Speaker 1: of reasons why you shouldn't have him high? Right, And
Speaker 1: the same thing with Billy Price. He Billy Price has
Speaker 1: started more games in Ohio state history than anyone else.
Speaker 1: He's done it for a long time. He did it
Speaker 1: at guard, did it at center. Both these guys I
Speaker 1: have high in that late first round range. It's it
Speaker 1: could be hard to separate them. I have no problem
Speaker 1: if you choose either or so, I know that doesn't
Speaker 1: really help you. And no, this is separate ye, And
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to separate them. But that that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I am, right. I'll step up to help me.
Speaker 1: Help me there, Help me, Midwest Scout. You have more
Speaker 1: courage than I do. Help me, Midwest Scout James Daniels
Speaker 1: above of Billy Price. In fact, I'm putting James Daniels
Speaker 1: with a clear one and Billy Price with the clear two. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Billy Price is a little more. He's over aggressive,
Speaker 1: Like there's there are times when he misses, you know,
Speaker 1: it gets his head down a lot. He's a smart player,
Speaker 1: can tell it, plays go with his hands and he's good.
Speaker 1: We were talking about it though, kind of a belly blocker,
Speaker 1: a little bit belly block and there's the movement is
Speaker 1: just a little easier for James Daniels. There are times,
Speaker 1: and it looked there were in his own scheme in Iowa,
Speaker 1: so like there are times you're just stepping but you
Speaker 1: could see him get in there and go reach a
Speaker 1: three technique, you know, just really easily. Yeah, and like that,
Speaker 1: little things like that. I'm sitting there going, man, it
Speaker 1: just looks a little easier for him than Billy Price.
Speaker 1: You're right, very good players, both of them, very good players,
Speaker 1: and both likely you know, go late first or early second.
Speaker 1: You know where you had him. But for me, I
Speaker 1: like Daniels just a just a touch more, don't I
Speaker 1: don't think you're wrong at all, all right. I mean
Speaker 1: I I have Daniels over Price myself, and I think
Speaker 1: what I was impressed with. Was that ability, like you said,
Speaker 1: the balance, the body control, the extension, I mean everything
Speaker 1: about When when when you get a center that could
Speaker 1: snatch at three and the three technique, a wide three,
Speaker 1: that tells me you got an athlete, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean he looks comfortable doing It's not a position, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's some centers that do that and they're
Speaker 1: diving in the back of guy's legs and he's on
Speaker 1: his feet and the and his butt is all the
Speaker 1: way around, you know, pushing the guy back inside. And
Speaker 1: they're both really good players. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't, but my separation is I have him close.
Speaker 1: But I also think that Daniels is better, just because
Speaker 1: I think that you can get more movement with him
Speaker 1: in the running game. And I think he's comfortable. I've
Speaker 1: watched him in the past set stuff. He doesn't he
Speaker 1: doesn't look bad at all doing that. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: Billy Price, it's not all the time. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: he's a little out of control, and James Daniels is
Speaker 1: always in control. And I think that matters. Just it
Speaker 1: for angles and just getting your body position the right way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: picturing my mind the Big Ten Championship game against Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: and yeah, Billy Price, there's a few times he was
Speaker 1: on the ground because he that overaggressiveness you're talking about, uh,
Speaker 1: and so he he kind of sells out a little
Speaker 1: bit where Daniels is a little more controlled. Now we've
Speaker 1: seen Price play extensively at guard. Yeah, does that Does
Speaker 1: that enter into your thinking at all about that position?
Speaker 1: To flex ro Daniels saying, yeah, No, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: We've only really seen him perform at a high level
Speaker 1: at center, and so you know that's something to keep
Speaker 1: in mind with those two players as well. Now, I
Speaker 1: do agree with the fact you have seen him play
Speaker 1: some guard. I think that there's some there's some merit
Speaker 1: to that. There's there's surely some merit to that. Okay, Uh, guy,
Speaker 1: I kind of guys, I have close close here, Separate
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis Auburn corner with my guy. And again here
Speaker 1: we're going for another Iowa guy, and I I want
Speaker 1: to separate him from Joshua Jackson from Iowa. Separate Carlton
Speaker 1: Davis Auburn and Joshua Jackson Iowa. I have them. Am
Speaker 1: I wrong with them being close? No? I have guys
Speaker 1: in between them, but it's Yeah Jackson, Josh Jackson, Isaiah Oliver,
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis, Okay, I mean right right there, and they're
Speaker 1: both I mean late one, early two. I think Davis
Speaker 1: he's a trades guy. He looks the part, he runs. Well,
Speaker 1: you really like the trades. Yeah, he's got some ball skills,
Speaker 1: but not as good as ball skilled as Jackson. They're
Speaker 1: just some things missing a refinement, um. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I have Josh Jackson over him. He's instincts are
Speaker 1: more developed at this point. The ball skills are outstanding.
Speaker 1: Tackling that's an issue. Yeah, I mean, and you know
Speaker 1: that when he draft the player that's helping you, you know,
Speaker 1: don't you know? It's funny. But Davis didn't exactly light
Speaker 1: me up as a tackler either, No, he wasn't. I
Speaker 1: mean I think he's I think if you just compare
Speaker 1: who it was better cover guy. I think Davis is
Speaker 1: a better cover guy. Okay, I think, well, I think
Speaker 1: he's more diverse too. Where h you feel better about
Speaker 1: him and pressone and off coverage, wherewith Jackson, I think
Speaker 1: you you want to see him in his own you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's where he let his instincts and his
Speaker 1: ball skills do their thing. Davis a little more well rounded. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I think he has a higher potential, but I
Speaker 1: think he also has the lower floor as a player.
Speaker 1: I agree with you with the with the ceiling because
Speaker 1: you look at it, the wingspan and just how long
Speaker 1: his arms are and then O there times though you
Speaker 1: see him down the field get off balance a little
Speaker 1: bit and then he's grabbing. Yeah. I think he had
Speaker 1: six or seven passing inference pials these which you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get called for that. But you could see
Speaker 1: him get off balance quite a bit. So maybe the
Speaker 1: more polished player Josh Jackson is, um you know here,
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit there though. We're started talking about separating them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who do who do I want first? I want Josh
Speaker 1: Jackson first. I agree, but it's but it's with you
Speaker 1: at Jackson over Davis on your board. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: was listening and I have I have Alexander next, they
Speaker 1: have Alexander in between. I've got Alexander ahead of see
Speaker 1: now I have I love Alexander. Yeah, so why and
Speaker 1: that's why I mean I would I would say if
Speaker 1: you if you asked me to rank the three, I went,
Speaker 1: Alexander Jackson Davis is what I did. I'm Jackson now
Speaker 1: Xander Davis. Isn't he a president? Yeah? It's a law firm.
Speaker 1: It's a law firm right there. Alexander Jackson Davis Jr.
Speaker 1: Alexander's my number nineteen player on my board, so I'm
Speaker 1: very high on him. Uh. And then I have jack
Speaker 1: Have Hughes uh twelve, Hughes from again my corners on
Speaker 1: my board, UCF Fitzpatrick's number two, Denzel Wards number six,
Speaker 1: Mike Hughes twelve, Jayar Alexander teen, Josh Jackson twenty three. Uh, down,
Speaker 1: down down, Isaiah Oliver thirty six, and then Carlton Davis
Speaker 1: at forty one. Where'd you guys have Stewart from North Carolina? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: M J. Stewart, J. Stewart. I got him right here
Speaker 1: in the mix as well. And where would you play him?
Speaker 1: You guys are higher on him than I am. I
Speaker 1: He's a nickel guy for me. Yeah, I agree. I
Speaker 1: got a three to four on him. I'm not as high.
Speaker 1: I got him at the back end of the second K.
Speaker 1: I like the guy a lot. He's not fast. I
Speaker 1: mean that's he's kind of a slower guy. But I
Speaker 1: think he's a very smart player. Say he runs a
Speaker 1: four or five five at combine, Does that change your opinion? All? No,
Speaker 1: because I think that four five four. Yeah. I saw
Speaker 1: a real smart player though, who put himself in good
Speaker 1: position all the time, and a really good tackler. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy that he played in the slot as well,
Speaker 1: and he would funnel. I mean he just immediately he
Speaker 1: just you know, if you watch him play, he'll he'll
Speaker 1: play off and he'll open and he'll just kind of
Speaker 1: run with the guy. Yeah, I saw him nine in
Speaker 1: the football though. I mean I gets his eyes back
Speaker 1: to the ball. See that's I got him going the third? Myself,
Speaker 1: who'd you like better, Duke Dawson or M J. Stewart.
Speaker 1: I put Stewart above him, okay, and I and I
Speaker 1: was a fan, I was a fun Yeah, I put
Speaker 1: I put Stewart in the third and Dawson the fourth. Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, dude, and he's Florida right, just to make
Speaker 1: sure senior another six senior nickel guy all right. In
Speaker 1: the last couple of minutes here separate from me, and
Speaker 1: we talked about these running backs a little bit, but
Speaker 1: they were on my list, separate, separate, Ronald Jones and
Speaker 1: Darius Guys, and then we talked about the running backs
Speaker 1: a little bit, right. I just the burst of Ronald
Speaker 1: Jones is incredible. He's Jamal Charles clone. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: it's the number twenty five jersey that kind of throws me.
Speaker 1: But he looks either body type, the acceleration, the burst
Speaker 1: out of his cuts, the lateral movement. Uh. And he's
Speaker 1: not the biggest guys about two hundred and five pounds.
Speaker 1: We'll see what he is the combine, but his momentum,
Speaker 1: that celeration generates run power, and so he isn't just
Speaker 1: a soft runner who's gonna go down to first contact.
Speaker 1: He's has that forward lean and the ability to pick
Speaker 1: up those extra inches. Ronald Jones, it's and he stays healthy.
Speaker 1: He wasn't banked up quite as much as you would
Speaker 1: expect for a guy that size. He doesn't put the
Speaker 1: ball in the ground. I don't know. When you break
Speaker 1: down all the traits that you look for the running
Speaker 1: back position, Jones gets more check marks than Darius Guys does.
Speaker 1: For me, oh, I agree, I'm I'm the exact same
Speaker 1: way he talk at the Jones the pad level too,
Speaker 1: just kind of able to get down and hide behind guys.
Speaker 1: You start talking about guys again, I might need to
Speaker 1: rewatch him and look at twenty sixteen though. And that's
Speaker 1: something we always talked, We always joke about it. We
Speaker 1: hate doing that. Man, if he was good in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: he would be good in twenty seventeen. It's the old
Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser example, Conn Williams effect, sure, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think I want to watch twenty six team before
Speaker 1: I really you know, fully commit to how I feel
Speaker 1: about Darius guys. But so it's clearly Ronald Jones for
Speaker 1: me separated. Yeah, but for you, I know I went.
Speaker 1: I went Jones first, guys second, it's what I did.
Speaker 1: So Jones you number two running back, Yeah, Jones, my
Speaker 1: number two running. I've noticed the LSU guys because of
Speaker 1: you know, the last few years of pain have kind
Speaker 1: of they're they're more skeptical on the LSU guys. So
Speaker 1: you really want to make sure that you usman you
Speaker 1: and hellman. Yeah, those guys. You always want to ask
Speaker 1: you guys your heart on the LSU. No, No, I
Speaker 1: haven't I have Jones. He Jones a better player you'll
Speaker 1: bring We'll call out a name, was a better player.
Speaker 1: We'll call out a name before we watch an LSU guy,
Speaker 1: and you'll further the kind of make a little noise.
Speaker 1: Let's watch this Tolliver kid. Uh, hold on, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him yet. Now I already think he's not good. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't say that. I'd say that. Katie. Thanks so much
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