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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters

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Speaker 1: at the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectzikiel Elliott and

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Speaker 1: now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,

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Speaker 1: no David Hellman today here on the Draft Show. That's okay.

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Speaker 1: We always find capable scouts to come in and work

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Speaker 1: with Old Dame Brugler myself. Brian brought us here as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, Dame Brugler to my right, joining us from

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Speaker 1: one oh five three The Fan, the Ben and Skin Show.

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Speaker 1: One of our scouting buddies, though he puts in the work.

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Speaker 1: Kevin kat Turner, welcome again, my friend. Yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. And every once in a while, Dave Hellman

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Speaker 1: deserves a good week off, right. He's down there hanging

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Speaker 1: out with the Saints down there at Motagra Hardian he

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Speaker 1: is partying them up. So what we'll do, we'll do

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Speaker 1: our very best here today. Uh God, it just seems

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Speaker 1: like these weeks are flying by. We'll be an indie

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Speaker 1: before we know that. Being an indie at the end

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Speaker 1: of the month and looking forward to that. Last week,

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Speaker 1: we went through a little bit of the some of

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Speaker 1: the snubs and guys that should have been should have

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe had some considerations from National Scouting Group.

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Speaker 1: We kind of talked about those guys and why they

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Speaker 1: potentially got snub But it looks like a pretty good

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Speaker 1: combine list. So we're excited. The draft show will be there.

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Speaker 1: We will have shows. Uh, let's see it Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 1: Saturday from uh from the Convention Center there in Indy

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Speaker 1: with all the players and coaches and general managin stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we look forward to doing that today though, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do a couple of different things. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: want to get in Dane. Your fumble list came out

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Speaker 1: for running backs. Yeah, my annual annual fund Fumble list. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the fumble rates for all these college prospects. I went.

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Speaker 1: I did the top thirty three, top thirty three running

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Speaker 1: backs in the class, all the guys invited, the combine

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Speaker 1: a few extras, but yeah, it's something I do every

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Speaker 1: year at this time. UH, and it's just interesting look

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Speaker 1: at how often these guys fumbled. Uh. And it's something

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Speaker 1: that you know, we care about interceptions for quarterbacks, right, well,

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Speaker 1: you know we should care as much for running backs

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Speaker 1: and the fumbles. And it's not a you know, a direct,

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Speaker 1: in at the next level, but it's a good view

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Speaker 1: of their ball security. How do you view these running

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Speaker 1: backs in this straft so far from what you've seen?

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Speaker 1: I mean, to me, there's the first tier, which is

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Speaker 1: Barkley and then Jones and what do you have them? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean and then I mean Jones. I watched him

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Speaker 1: again on Saturday second viewing and felt better about him,

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Speaker 1: a lot better about him with guys, I need to

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Speaker 1: watch twenty sixteen. I mean, is that something that I

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Speaker 1: need to do for guys got banged up into Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was definitely banged up this year. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Old Miss game. This year he was outstanding. He had

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Speaker 1: was looked like he was back to twenty sixteen for him.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he was better as a sophomore. I have

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Speaker 1: Carrie on Johnson as my RB three. I love it now.

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Speaker 1: See that's why I'm I'm I'm dancing right with you

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Speaker 1: there and again we talked about him and we talked

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Speaker 1: I've got Barkley number one, Jones number two, and then

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Speaker 1: I've got guys and Johnson back to back. Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: my overall board. So I'm right there with you. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's much separation. Yeah, I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: I'm impressed if you want to go get a running

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's depth at this draft, you know,

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Speaker 1: throughout the draft. I just think that every one of

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Speaker 1: And immediately thought to the semifinal game where he had

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Speaker 1: guys like Darryl Williams from LSU, right, you fumbled once

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Speaker 1: want to kind of go through that. But the running

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Speaker 1: you got is your as your guys there, Dane if

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Speaker 1: tweeted out right, but if they follow your link, yeah

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Speaker 1: on DP Brewer. Uh. If you want to get this

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Speaker 1: carry On Johnson, they're all in the elite category, Okay.

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Speaker 1: They were about a dozen backs in this draft that

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Speaker 1: A finisher though, Mike up the gut runs yea, oh god, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he takes some contact there. Yeah. Saquon Barkley one hundred

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Speaker 1: little bit. Mentioned Darius Guys's at one hundred, which you know,

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Speaker 1: and then kind of the below average numbers. Nick Chubb

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Speaker 1: nahem Hinz eighty six. Oh, I watched him the Nakram

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Speaker 1: like we said, he did get incrementally better, uh eliminating

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Speaker 1: the Williams kid, don't you? From LSU. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 1: thank you Jim. And he was right. Jim Garrett was right.

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Speaker 1: And I enjoyed working with Jim. He brought a unique

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Speaker 1: a condolences to the Garrett family. We lost a really

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Speaker 1: good scout in Jim Garrett. All Right. With that being said,

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Speaker 1: out with a little Twitter on twenty with no Dave

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Speaker 1: Hellman here today. I've got to be the guy. Oh

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Speaker 1: and Jonah, our buddy Jonah who always writes in wants

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Speaker 1: to know is Durwin James in round one or Jesse

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Speaker 1: Bates and Rashid Golden in round two? Okay, so I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen Bates, but watching Golden on Saturday, and I

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Speaker 1: am now in love I can't believe there's not more

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Speaker 1: buzz on Golden. He's incredible. Well, it's funny because I

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Speaker 1: I watched him or I studied you know, his film

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Speaker 1: like a month ago, and and thank you for and

494
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Speaker 1: lighting and lighting all of us. Well, you know, and

495
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Speaker 1: I stamped a second round grade on him. I loved him.

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Speaker 1: I thought this is a perfect nickel for the NFL

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Speaker 1: game plays be toughness off the charts. And then yeah,

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Speaker 1: I told you brought us. I was like, listen, there's

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Speaker 1: no buzz on this guy. Watch him telling what you think?

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy here? You watched him? You gave him

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Speaker 1: one a third round grade? I think initially I did,

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Speaker 1: And then I started watching him some more and I'm like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's he's the top thing. And then you guys

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Speaker 1: saw him, and so yeah, I'm with you on Golden.

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Speaker 1: Now he's I'm surprised there's no buzz, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's I'm expecting that hype train to take off soon.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing that there are plays and you can tell

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Speaker 1: that he's just a real smart, instinctive player. There are

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Speaker 1: plays where he gets in and he knocks the ball

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Speaker 1: out with his hands. In last minute recovers and like

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Speaker 1: his adjustments on the fly, you know, his body adjustments,

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Speaker 1: just being able to quickly stop and get back into

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Speaker 1: a play if he's overran it or whatever. And there

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Speaker 1: was some field awareness too, or said, you know, seeing

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Speaker 1: Meca tackle knowing exactly where the chains are. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: played mainly in the slot. We're talking about Rashawn Golden

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Speaker 1: from Tennessee. Yeah, mainly in the slot. But it's six

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Speaker 1: foot you know, you play outside. And I guess that's

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Speaker 1: why the questions coming down. Should he play you know, safety?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys think. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: him at safety. I'll tell you what I think him.

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Speaker 1: I think Bates is a hell of a player though, too. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what great you get I got both those guys in

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Speaker 1: the second round. Okay, see, I gave Bits a third song.

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Speaker 1: I'm close to you. I mean, this is a guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just reading my notes again, as I

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Speaker 1: always do. Burst plays with his eyes, those had to

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Speaker 1: play the ball in the air, drives ball skills, has

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Speaker 1: a feel for how to position himself for tacklers tackle.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, but to play offhand knock the ball away

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Speaker 1: like the way he carries himselves, not afraid to step

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Speaker 1: up and make a play. It's always around the ball.

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Speaker 1: Can play him up back. I see him, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean in that single high look. I don't have

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Speaker 1: a problem with Bates. I see why Jonah asked the question. Well,

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Speaker 1: one of the most important traits for safety is you

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Speaker 1: have to trust what you see. Yeah, and he does.

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Speaker 1: He does, Heason. It helps him put put himself in

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Speaker 1: a position to make plays. Um My biggest question with

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Speaker 1: him might be is just his frame. Yeah, well but

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Speaker 1: he's he's six one one. That's the measurables we have

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Speaker 1: right now. If you if you talk about Golden, we

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Speaker 1: have Golden just over six foot one ninety three. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I have Golden as a corner. Okay, But with Bates,

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Speaker 1: I like, I got a GM tell me once that

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Speaker 1: he's Okay, you're gonna play Golden a corner outside or

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play him mainly in the slot. I think

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Speaker 1: he's an ideal nickel. Okay, that's what I think. That's

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Speaker 1: what it's what he did at Tennessee. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that's that's you know, in the NFL, not not saying

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Speaker 1: you can't play safety. And he can't play corner outside corners.

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Speaker 1: I think he could, but I think his best fit

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Speaker 1: might be inside of the nickel with Bates. I had

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Speaker 1: a GM once tell me, just in general, that his

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Speaker 1: team would never draft a sub two hundred pound safety.

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Speaker 1: They never would. Yeah, And you know, I think that's

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Speaker 1: something I thought was crazy, But then I thought more

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Speaker 1: about it, and over the years I've kind of gained

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Speaker 1: a little more respect for that take, just because usually

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Speaker 1: we don't see sub two hundred pound safeties hold up. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's not impossible, right, Buddha, Baker, Honey Badger, Guys, who

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Speaker 1: are you know, the corner safety hybrids. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: shown they can survive in this league just fine. Bates

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Speaker 1: is a corner safety hybrid. He's more of a true safety,

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Speaker 1: and I think I still have a third drunk grade

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Speaker 1: on I think he'd be a very good NFL player,

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Speaker 1: But that would be one of my main concerns with

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Speaker 1: him going to the next long. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: in this day and age of having to be able

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Speaker 1: to and maybe not all safeties have to cover, you know,

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Speaker 1: but the ones that do, yeah, give him my you know,

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Speaker 1: more portantly, give me the ones that could tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I think that there's dirt one for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: talk about that. Back to the question, Yeah, who would

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Speaker 1: you take. Who's a better cover guy? He's called in

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Speaker 1: a better cover guy than Derwin? I would say, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: right now, or at least or at least what you

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Speaker 1: see on you know, on tape. And there were times

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Speaker 1: when Derwin wasn't asked to do a lot of that,

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Speaker 1: you know at Florida State. But I think Derwin is

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Speaker 1: a better tackler and maybe I mean, he's clearly the

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Speaker 1: best tackle he can God, can he tackle? Darwin is

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Speaker 1: more of he's going to body slam tackle you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See that's the thing I watch him play. They're playing

585
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Speaker 1: Florida and they're wearing they're wearing white uniforms, and his

586
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Speaker 1: uniform is dirty. Yeah, I mean he's got mud and

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Speaker 1: dirt and grass stains all over him. And I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at him, going, this guy's a corner, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he's playing like he's playing like he's the only one

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee that cares on defense. Well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: some one of the reasons why he's kind of going

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Speaker 1: underrated right now. The bad Tennessee team. Yeah, and those

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Speaker 1: people see t watch this kid, They're like, oh, he

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Speaker 1: must not be very good because Tennessee defense was cheese.

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Speaker 1: But okay, so let's answer the question. Would you rather

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Speaker 1: have Derwin James in the first? Okay? Yeah? Were Sean

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Speaker 1: Golden in the second? Who would what direction would you

598
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: rather go? If you're the Cowboys, I'd rather have Golden

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Speaker 1: in the second? I think it's that close. I would

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Speaker 1: go Derwin. I love Derwin. I would first round grade

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Speaker 1: on Derwin. And I'll tell you what I would You know,

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Speaker 1: we need to get into a show where who am

603
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Speaker 1: I getting at nineteen? And yeah, we did have a

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Speaker 1: show of like who do you feel bad you have

605
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Speaker 1: in the first round? You know, who is that guy

606
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Speaker 1: that's making you you know, do that bit first? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean first say it. I'm just saying, and I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: who is that guy that makes you just cringe? When

609
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Speaker 1: you're like, god, he's a first round? If the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: come away with Derwin James in the first round, your

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Speaker 1: initial reaction is good. Fact why I'm taking the best

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Speaker 1: player And I love Rashwan Golden. I'm the president of

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Speaker 1: his fan club. You are the president. I will give

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Speaker 1: you credit for that. But I will take Derwin James

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Speaker 1: in the first round. Okay, but a counterpoint, if the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys get Rashawn Golden from Tennessee at fifty, what's your

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Speaker 1: reaction high five? Oh yeah, I'll take both of them.

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Speaker 1: Give me safety safe, let's go, We'll take give me

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Speaker 1: all this. Okay, let's go back at it, though, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, if you took Okay, let's say we play

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Speaker 1: your mock. You take Hurst, huh, and you take Golden

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Speaker 1: in the second You're you're okay? Oh yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: feel great about that. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm getting two guys

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Speaker 1: that were my top fifty. He doesn't feel good. I'm

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Speaker 1: taking Hurst because Derwin wasn't there. He doesn't feel good though.

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Speaker 1: If you take Win there, though, I wouldn't hate it,

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Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't like it. Fernandez, don't give

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Speaker 1: me an offensive lineman on the top twenty Hurst over Win. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking an offensive lineman on the top twenty.

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Speaker 1: Un listen, Quinn Nelson. That's just me. Yeah, especially for

631
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Speaker 1: this team, for this team, because again, they don't need

632
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: an operation on the offensive line. They need a band aid.

633
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not drafting a band aid in the first

634
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: round of nineteen overall. Now you could convince me about

635
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: trading back. Oh, we already did. We played that game.

636
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: I here, Dane, here's the third round. Yea, that you

637
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: could convince me give him, give him somebody in the

638
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: top one hundred. He is, he is blent. But again

639
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: he's going to get it. He's going to get a

640
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: diet PEPSI in a in a Turkey. I love Isaiah Win.

641
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: I love he's eighteen on my board. Well, I know,

642
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm just so, I'm just trying playing along with you here.

643
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: That's good, good discussion. Thanks. I think I think on

644
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: the twenties rocking so far. I think that I think

645
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: that uh oh, let's see here. Okay, okay, here's Matt.

646
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: Matt wants to know, by the expert Chare at the

647
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: draft show, how far does someone like Mika, Fitzpatrick or

648
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Chubb have to fall before you think about moving up.

649
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't want him. I mean, I'm you're not a

650
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a big fan. I'm not a huge

651
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: Chubb or Mica. I like Mika. Is he making those

652
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: guys is a cringer? Yeah, a little bit. Both of

653
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: those guys are like guys I'm happy to have five

654
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: guy for him, I think. I mean, in most drafts,

655
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: are you you played to the draft that you have

656
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: in this draft? And yes? To me, they're both top

657
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: five guys. Sure, all right, we saw what happened last

658
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: year with the you know, with our Alabama guy and

659
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: our Ohio State guy. I'm not trying to give up

660
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: pick fifty or pick eighty one. Let's just say that hypothetical.

661
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: He's Mica Fitzpatrick's there at eight, and uh who's at eight? Bears,

662
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: you gotta give up pick fifth. Chicago calls you and says,

663
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: nineteen and fifty you can move to eight to get Minka.

664
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna drafton Nelson there, probably Nelson there on

665
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: this scene. I'm probably moving up to take Calvin Ridley.

666
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh or if you want to replace Minka with Chubb

667
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: in that scenario, say it's truly right here. I don't. Well,

668
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I just don't see any way Chubb falls out of

669
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: the top five. I don't either, But I don't know.

670
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, we thought that again, Well, the quarterbacks always

671
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: come run in two. Jonathan Allen was a shoulder more

672
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: than anything, right, and he wasn't a true pass Rusher.

673
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, he was more of an inside guy or

674
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, a five take your buddy if the Colts

675
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: takes him. You had him in the mock, didn't you there,

676
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: didn't you have Chubb going to Colts? Yeah, I mean

677
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: I think, well, let's just say that for hypothetical stake,

678
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: they don't go quarterback. Yeah, you know, let's say they

679
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: they're okay with Burssette and wait and see on luck.

680
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: But they they're an interesting spot because you know, they

681
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: could go Barkley we you know, or say, I know

682
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: it is talked about how they want they need a

683
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: draft a big time running back high and all that,

684
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: But this is Chris Ballard's team and he's going to

685
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: do his best for the team. And I think that

686
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: would be just hired by Frank Reich by the way, too, Yeah,

687
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 1: I could hired of that. I think Chubb would be

688
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense for India three. So yeah,

689
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: but I get what you're saying about. You know, I

690
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to see them trade up either. No,

691
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: I like both those players, Mika and Chubb. I don't

692
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: think either You're gonna fall that far where they even

693
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: have the option to trade up for him. So I'm

694
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: not sure it'll be an issue, but if they did,

695
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate because you're getting a top five player.

696
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: But I give you a spot ten and what's the

697
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: spot where it's switches from fifty to eighty one that

698
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: you're giving up? I would say eight, yeah, eight, eight

699
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: to nine ten, one of those. Yeah, I'll just stay well, yeah, well,

700
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: and this team needs more than one and its oh no,

701
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. I mean, I'm not. I'm just

702
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: it's a good question. Though. We're gonna do a show

703
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: about going up gets out of here and one of

704
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: these shows. Get ready for that, folks, Buddy Sean wants

705
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: to know. They're always guys shooting up the draftboards after

706
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: the combine. Who do you see jumping this year? Do

707
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: you have a combine jumper? Well, we talked about what

708
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this last week a little bit

709
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: with when I stunned you LSU guys, when I said

710
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: DJ Charker Dante Jackson could get into the first and

711
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: I stopped that real quick. Dante Jackson may go run

712
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: of four, two five, right. Kind of liked him, didn't you. Yeah, Well,

713
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: when you have that type of speed. That type of

714
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: athleticism didn't look easy. He makes running look easy. He's

715
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: kind crazy all over the place. I make running look

716
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: very difficult. He makes running look very simple. Well, and

717
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: exactly one hundred and seventy five pounds, right us? Is

718
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: that we're talking about any rule about your hundred and

719
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: seventy five pound corner not a corner. Corners need to

720
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: cover and he and you don't have to be a

721
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: big time tackler. Just get him on the ground and

722
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: he can do that. Hey plays hard to like you

723
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: had the little the little man fight skills, you know,

724
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: go get the ankles. He might be Yeah, he might say,

725
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: don't tackle. No, I said, I don't I care. You

726
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: need to cover if you're a corner, yeah, I do.

727
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: As a run defender, you just need to get him

728
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: on the ground. If you don't have to be a

729
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: perfect form tackler, no, but you might need some real

730
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: mostments at times. And I don't think he missed a ton.

731
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't miss It's a physical little guy. Yeah.

732
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: I would like him. Yeah, heck yeah, that type of athleticism.

733
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: You know those guys who go high and I think

734
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: Dante Jackson DJ Chark two guys that are going to

735
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: test really well. And again Will Fuller, we saw you know,

736
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, Will Fuller, he's not the most well rounded receiver.

737
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: You know, again, Dutch in full notre dame. You can

738
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: be a one trick pony as long as you're really

739
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: good at that one trick. Yeah, you know. And DJ Chark,

740
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: which charts one trick vertical separation. Yeah, he can get

741
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: behind the defense and he might have to be the

742
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: most most consistent pass catcher. But when you have that

743
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: type of speed, again, Will Fuller, he had more drops

744
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: than you know, most of the receivers drafted that year. Prediction.

745
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Could he be the second wide receiver taken? Could sure?

746
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't see why not. Again, I'm not saying he's

747
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: not wouldn't be for me at all. He's not close.

748
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: He just he just grinted his job. He's Mickey, he's

749
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: number eleven, Yeah, number eleven for you, number eight Yeah,

750
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: all right. I'm not a big fan. But again, when

751
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: you had that type of speed, the question was who's

752
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: going to kind of vault up after the combine? Dante Jackson,

753
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: DJ Chart, guys are gonna run really well. I expect it.

754
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: I think Denzel Ward's gonna run really well. But I

755
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: already think he's in the top ten. But I think

756
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: that'll kind of squash any you know, worries about him

757
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: maybe falling a little bit because of his size. Um,

758
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean speed kills and that's that's kind of Oh no,

759
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, combine you know thinking all right? Ever

760
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: John Ross last year? Oh, I remember John Ross, but

761
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: needed to wear those Adidas shoes. Wear the right shoes

762
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: or if he if he wore those shoes, would he

763
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: have set the record? Get some money? Yeah? Bleed Blue

764
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: wants to know are there any day two or three

765
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: pass rushers that can make an impact there? Dane Brugler,

766
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: All right, well, or well can I step in? Can

767
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: I be taking ahead? Dan? Dane loves Duke Edgio four? Yea,

768
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: there we go. There's you a good second round pass rusher.

769
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: I like that. Um, as long as it watched the red, right,

770
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: I gotta watch the green. And I'm looking at my

771
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: grades on my on my other talking about Yeah, I'm

772
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: my other edge guys that I have like second round

773
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: grades on. It's Harold Landry who will go in the

774
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: first round. It's Marcus Davenport who will likely go in

775
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: the first round. Uh. But then I've got Sam Hubbard

776
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: there and there's yet a little Day two guy. Think

777
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: Hubbard's not gonna wow you. He's not going to uh

778
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, is he like Hubbard going to get picked

779
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: at twenty nine thirty one? Aunt Patsy. He's very smart

780
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: and this is a guy that he was a lacrosse player.

781
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: He was going to Notre Dame and play lacrosse out

782
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: of high school and he got a chance to Rameyer

783
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: came in, flexed his muscles and said you're coming to

784
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: Ohio State, played football and next thing you know, he

785
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: went from safety to linebacker to defensive end and so

786
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: he's only been in the position for three years and

787
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: he's the strides that he's made really impressive. He's very smart,

788
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: very instinctive. A lot of preparation goes into what he does. Again,

789
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: not gonna vow you, but I think the impact that

790
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: he can make is why he's going to be in

791
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: that late first early second and brought us let me

792
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: ask you about a guy, because uh, I think this

793
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: is a guy. Maybe maybe it's more of a third round,

794
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: but he said, you know, Day two or whatever. Chad

795
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: Thomas from Miami. The music guy, Okay, the music man. Yeah, well,

796
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: what do you think about him? I kind of liked

797
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I wasn't I was disappointed we

798
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: didn't get to h c him more at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,

799
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: he was I think the first practice and then he

800
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: had to exit because of an injury. But he had

801
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: a nice week the week before the Shrine. Yeah. But

802
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: tall yeah, six five Right, he's a good looking athlete.

803
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: Uh and he like a lot of those guys, not

804
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: quite sure what he's doing yet, but there are some

805
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: traits there that you think could be worth drafting. How

806
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: about am I am? I'm off base with hand from hand? Yeah?

807
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean is that an off base? Is that way

808
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: off base for us? I think what you get to

809
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: where you're gonna play him, That's what I'm saying. I

810
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: was trying to think of a guy, maybe a rusher,

811
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a guy that we saw. I

812
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: saw this kid that Kylie fits from Utah, from Utah.

813
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: I thought he was left in kind of a guy.

814
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't terribly excited about him, but you know, I

815
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: know some people at the Senior Boy he looked thought

816
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: better at the Senior Bowl than he did uh on

817
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: on tape. How about your guy? Uh uh Hercules, Hercules matafa?

818
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: How about him? You don't know where to play him either,

819
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: do you? Uh No? And I don't know how anyone

820
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: could because he was an interior your player at two

821
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds. Um, you know it's one thing

822
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: to say that. Oh yeah, I just put him outside. Okay,

823
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Well I think he had single digit snaps outside for

824
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Washington State last year, so it's not like he's accustomed

825
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: to playing out there. Not to say he can't do it,

826
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: but it's a projection. Um kind of looks like a rusher.

827
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: Though his burst off the line is unbelievable. He has

828
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: arguably the best first step in this draft. I'm gonna

829
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: give you two names ahead. Keep in mind Josh Sweat

830
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: from Florida State. Need to watch him and Doran's Armstrong

831
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: from Kansas. Two pass rushers who are going to be

832
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: Say the names again so people can kind of get

833
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: a jump on those. Josh Sweat from Florida State, Josh

834
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: Set Florida Store. These are all names have familiar with

835
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: because I've just they're gonna be in the second fourth

836
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: round range somewhere um, and I think they're going to be.

837
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean they're both they both had their holes. That's

838
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: why they're not being talked about his first rounders or anything.

839
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: But U Doran's armstrong. You see the basketball background, contact balance.

840
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: He he was great as a sophomore and then his

841
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Speaker 1: production fell off. But you got to keep in mind

842
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Speaker 1: he's playing on a Kansas team where he's one of

843
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Speaker 1: maybe two pros on that defense. Easy for offense is

844
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Speaker 1: the game plan against him. Josh Sweat, he was a

845
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Speaker 1: big time recruit out of high school. Uh, you know

846
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Speaker 1: the he didn't really have the career many thought he

847
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: could have had at Florida State. But he's he's got tools.

848
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Speaker 1: He's got athletic tools that you want to develop and

849
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 1: add to your rotation. So I think both those guys

850
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Speaker 1: are kind of that second and fourth round mix. Got

851
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Speaker 1: some names. R K T. Nice got one more here

852
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: before we h a man the real low wants to know. Uh,

853
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: he wants to know. Dane. Do you believe Win can

854
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: start for the Cowboys right now? Yes? Not even I

855
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: mean forget August. He could start today. I mean there's

856
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: no reason to think that he couldn't. And again, this

857
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: is a guy who played guard as an underclassman, played off,

858
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: started off fifteen games that left tackle, and I think

859
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: he can play tackle on a pinch, just like Zach

860
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: Martin could. But just like Martin, he's better inside the bend.

861
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: The flexibility, the hips, the punch, it's all there where.

862
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: He can handle NFL rushers from the get go. He's

863
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: a Day one starter. Whoever drafts him had just pencil

864
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Speaker 1: Himan in your depth chart number one at guard. That's

865
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: who he is. And that's again I'm a big fan.

866
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: The follow up is you want to know his follow up?

867
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Then why not take him at nineteen? Because my offensive

868
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: line is already a strength. The offensive line is already

869
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: a strength on this team. I don't need an operation,

870
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: I need a band aid. I can go out on

871
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: the free agent market and get a left guard. Oh no, way,

872
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: we've done this. They've done poorly. But you can still

873
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Speaker 1: do it. Okay, you could go in a second round,

874
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: you can go in the third round. You can get

875
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: you can get a guard. Again. I love Isaiah win

876
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: the play, but it's just it's an allocation of resources. Yeah,

877
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: and with this team as needs up and down the roster,

878
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, I need a different I set you up

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00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: for that one. It was a two part question. Look,

880
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: if this team dresses Isaiah Win, I will be happy

881
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: because he's a good player in the Cowboys need good players.

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Speaker 1: and it'll be for eighteen hours. He will you know,

884
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Speaker 1: he'll act like he's really happy about taking artist. Well

885
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: know what, I wouldn't do it, but he's a good

886
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: player in the Cowboys need good players. The bottom line,

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00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a little game with you guys here

961
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: in the last fifteen minutes of the show. Excuse me.

962
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: Separate is what I want to know. I want to

963
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: know what you guys think about. And these are kind

964
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: of some guys. In my mind, I feel like that

965
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: they are pretty close. Maybe you guys might have them

966
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: a round apart. Maybe you like them a little bit better,

967
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: a little worse than but separating for me, and this

968
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: happens like in real war room board and you know,

969
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: it's just you're going to have clusters you are. Bill

970
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Parcel said, they're all stacked in there like club sandwiches.

971
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: Help me out here. Boys don't want you know, you

972
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: don't want five or six guys. It just closes up

973
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: for board. Hey, is a guy a second round guy

974
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: or is it a third round guy? Guys want to

975
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: talk about here? I want to talk about James Daniels,

976
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: center from Iowa, and I want to talk about Billy

977
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: Price center guard from Ohio State Dane. In my mind,

978
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: these two guys are similar in ound. You know, maybe

979
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: second round type players, second third type, maybe two three

980
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: guys for you separate the two. For me, we actually

981
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: both one twos. Okay for me, I love both. And

982
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: this is tough because with James Daniels, I think I'm

983
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of overcompensating, uh, because I don't want to come

984
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: off bias because he's from my hometown, good Old one

985
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Name High School. No, I went to the Catholic high school.

986
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: He was to the public high school. Um, but my

987
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: sister went to the public high school with him. They

988
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: graduated together. And so he's brother of the Packer defensive lineman.

989
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: Is it yes? Is it? Yeah? I think so? Someone

990
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: told me. I think I'm right about that. I don't think.

991
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: I think I asked that question the other night. Oh

992
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: was it you asked? He's a brother of Lashawn Daniels,

993
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: a former running back out of Iowa who had a

994
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: couple of Okay, well my apologies, din't maybe both Iowa guys, right, Okay, yeah,

995
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: you're right, and last named Daniels. Yeah, okay, it's common.

996
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, so James Daniels I like a lot. When

997
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: you watch his tape, you're kind of, I don't you

998
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: know what your preconceived notions are going in, but you

999
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: kind of you're watching all of a sudden, you're like, Okay,

1000
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't have any bad reps. Like, yeah, he's

1001
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: really impressive. He's winning the point of attack with his hands,

1002
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: he's balanced in his pass sets. Uh you know, he's

1003
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: creating movement in the run game. Yeah. Yeah. You look

1004
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: on your notes and there's all these positives, you negatives,

1005
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, like why you run out

1006
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: of reasons why you shouldn't have him high? Right, And

1007
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: the same thing with Billy Price. He Billy Price has

1008
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: started more games in Ohio state history than anyone else.

1009
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: He's done it for a long time. He did it

1010
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: at guard, did it at center. Both these guys I

1011
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: have high in that late first round range. It's it

1012
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: could be hard to separate them. I have no problem

1013
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: if you choose either or so, I know that doesn't

1014
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: really help you. And no, this is separate ye, And

1015
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to separate them. But that that's kind of

1016
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: where I am, right. I'll step up to help me.

1017
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: Help me there, Help me, Midwest Scout. You have more

1018
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: courage than I do. Help me, Midwest Scout James Daniels

1019
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: above of Billy Price. In fact, I'm putting James Daniels

1020
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: with a clear one and Billy Price with the clear two. Well,

1021
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: I think Billy Price is a little more. He's over aggressive,

1022
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: Like there's there are times when he misses, you know,

1023
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: it gets his head down a lot. He's a smart player,

1024
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: can tell it, plays go with his hands and he's good.

1025
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: We were talking about it though, kind of a belly blocker,

1026
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: a little bit belly block and there's the movement is

1027
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: just a little easier for James Daniels. There are times,

1028
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: and it looked there were in his own scheme in Iowa,

1029
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: so like there are times you're just stepping but you

1030
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: could see him get in there and go reach a

1031
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: three technique, you know, just really easily. Yeah, and like that,

1032
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: little things like that. I'm sitting there going, man, it

1033
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: just looks a little easier for him than Billy Price.

1034
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: You're right, very good players, both of them, very good players,

1035
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: and both likely you know, go late first or early second.

1036
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: You know where you had him. But for me, I

1037
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: like Daniels just a just a touch more, don't I

1038
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: don't think you're wrong at all, all right. I mean

1039
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: I I have Daniels over Price myself, and I think

1040
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: what I was impressed with. Was that ability, like you said,

1041
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: the balance, the body control, the extension, I mean everything

1042
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: about When when when you get a center that could

1043
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: snatch at three and the three technique, a wide three,

1044
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: that tells me you got an athlete, you know. I

1045
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: mean he looks comfortable doing It's not a position, yeah,

1046
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's some centers that do that and they're

1047
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: diving in the back of guy's legs and he's on

1048
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: his feet and the and his butt is all the

1049
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: way around, you know, pushing the guy back inside. And

1050
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: they're both really good players. I mean, I don't want

1051
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: to I don't, but my separation is I have him close.

1052
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: But I also think that Daniels is better, just because

1053
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: I think that you can get more movement with him

1054
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: in the running game. And I think he's comfortable. I've

1055
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: watched him in the past set stuff. He doesn't he

1056
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: doesn't look bad at all doing that. I think sometimes

1057
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: Billy Price, it's not all the time. I think sometimes

1058
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: he's a little out of control, and James Daniels is

1059
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: always in control. And I think that matters. Just it

1060
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: for angles and just getting your body position the right way. Yeah, yeah,

1061
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: picturing my mind the Big Ten Championship game against Wisconsin,

1062
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, Billy Price, there's a few times he was

1063
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: on the ground because he that overaggressiveness you're talking about, uh,

1064
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: and so he he kind of sells out a little

1065
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: bit where Daniels is a little more controlled. Now we've

1066
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: seen Price play extensively at guard. Yeah, does that Does

1067
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: that enter into your thinking at all about that position?

1068
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: To flex ro Daniels saying, yeah, No, that's true. That's true.

1069
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: We've only really seen him perform at a high level

1070
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: at center, and so you know that's something to keep

1071
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: in mind with those two players as well. Now, I

1072
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: do agree with the fact you have seen him play

1073
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: some guard. I think that there's some there's some merit

1074
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: to that. There's there's surely some merit to that. Okay, Uh, guy,

1075
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: I kind of guys, I have close close here, Separate

1076
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis Auburn corner with my guy. And again here

1077
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: we're going for another Iowa guy, and I I want

1078
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: to separate him from Joshua Jackson from Iowa. Separate Carlton

1079
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: Davis Auburn and Joshua Jackson Iowa. I have them. Am

1080
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: I wrong with them being close? No? I have guys

1081
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: in between them, but it's Yeah Jackson, Josh Jackson, Isaiah Oliver,

1082
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis, Okay, I mean right right there, and they're

1083
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: both I mean late one, early two. I think Davis

1084
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: he's a trades guy. He looks the part, he runs. Well,

1085
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: you really like the trades. Yeah, he's got some ball skills,

1086
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: but not as good as ball skilled as Jackson. They're

1087
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: just some things missing a refinement, um. And so that's

1088
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: why I have Josh Jackson over him. He's instincts are

1089
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: more developed at this point. The ball skills are outstanding.

1090
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: Tackling that's an issue. Yeah, I mean, and you know

1091
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: that when he draft the player that's helping you, you know,

1092
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: don't you know? It's funny. But Davis didn't exactly light

1093
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: me up as a tackler either, No, he wasn't. I

1094
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: mean I think he's I think if you just compare

1095
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: who it was better cover guy. I think Davis is

1096
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: a better cover guy. Okay, I think, well, I think

1097
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: he's more diverse too. Where h you feel better about

1098
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: him and pressone and off coverage, wherewith Jackson, I think

1099
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: you you want to see him in his own you know,

1100
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that's where he let his instincts and his

1101
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: ball skills do their thing. Davis a little more well rounded. Uh,

1102
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: and I think he has a higher potential, but I

1103
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: think he also has the lower floor as a player.

1104
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: I agree with you with the with the ceiling because

1105
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: you look at it, the wingspan and just how long

1106
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: his arms are and then O there times though you

1107
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: see him down the field get off balance a little

1108
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: bit and then he's grabbing. Yeah. I think he had

1109
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: six or seven passing inference pials these which you know

1110
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna get called for that. But you could see

1111
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: him get off balance quite a bit. So maybe the

1112
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: more polished player Josh Jackson is, um you know here,

1113
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit there though. We're started talking about separating them. Yeah,

1114
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: who do who do I want first? I want Josh

1115
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: Jackson first. I agree, but it's but it's with you

1116
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: at Jackson over Davis on your board. I'm sorry, I

1117
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: was listening and I have I have Alexander next, they

1118
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: have Alexander in between. I've got Alexander ahead of see

1119
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: now I have I love Alexander. Yeah, so why and

1120
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: that's why I mean I would I would say if

1121
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: you if you asked me to rank the three, I went,

1122
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: Alexander Jackson Davis is what I did. I'm Jackson now

1123
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: Xander Davis. Isn't he a president? Yeah? It's a law firm.

1124
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: It's a law firm right there. Alexander Jackson Davis Jr.

1125
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: Alexander's my number nineteen player on my board, so I'm

1126
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: very high on him. Uh. And then I have jack

1127
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Have Hughes uh twelve, Hughes from again my corners on

1128
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: my board, UCF Fitzpatrick's number two, Denzel Wards number six,

1129
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: Mike Hughes twelve, Jayar Alexander teen, Josh Jackson twenty three. Uh, down,

1130
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: down down, Isaiah Oliver thirty six, and then Carlton Davis

1131
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: at forty one. Where'd you guys have Stewart from North Carolina? Okay? Yeah?

1132
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: M J. Stewart, J. Stewart. I got him right here

1133
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: in the mix as well. And where would you play him?

1134
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: You guys are higher on him than I am. I

1135
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: He's a nickel guy for me. Yeah, I agree. I

1136
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: got a three to four on him. I'm not as high.

1137
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: I got him at the back end of the second K.

1138
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: I like the guy a lot. He's not fast. I

1139
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: mean that's he's kind of a slower guy. But I

1140
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: think he's a very smart player. Say he runs a

1141
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: four or five five at combine, Does that change your opinion? All? No,

1142
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: because I think that four five four. Yeah. I saw

1143
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: a real smart player though, who put himself in good

1144
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: position all the time, and a really good tackler. Here's

1145
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: a guy that he played in the slot as well,

1146
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: and he would funnel. I mean he just immediately he

1147
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: just you know, if you watch him play, he'll he'll

1148
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: play off and he'll open and he'll just kind of

1149
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: run with the guy. Yeah, I saw him nine in

1150
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: the football though. I mean I gets his eyes back

1151
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: to the ball. See that's I got him going the third? Myself,

1152
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: who'd you like better, Duke Dawson or M J. Stewart.

1153
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: I put Stewart above him, okay, and I and I

1154
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: was a fan, I was a fun Yeah, I put

1155
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: I put Stewart in the third and Dawson the fourth. Okay.

1156
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, dude, and he's Florida right, just to make

1157
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: sure senior another six senior nickel guy all right. In

1158
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of minutes here separate from me, and

1159
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: we talked about these running backs a little bit, but

1160
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: they were on my list, separate, separate, Ronald Jones and

1161
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: Darius Guys, and then we talked about the running backs

1162
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, right. I just the burst of Ronald

1163
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: Jones is incredible. He's Jamal Charles clone. I mean, maybe

1164
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: it's the number twenty five jersey that kind of throws me.

1165
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: But he looks either body type, the acceleration, the burst

1166
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: out of his cuts, the lateral movement. Uh. And he's

1167
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: not the biggest guys about two hundred and five pounds.

1168
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: We'll see what he is the combine, but his momentum,

1169
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: that celeration generates run power, and so he isn't just

1170
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: a soft runner who's gonna go down to first contact.

1171
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: He's has that forward lean and the ability to pick

1172
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: up those extra inches. Ronald Jones, it's and he stays healthy.

1173
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: He wasn't banked up quite as much as you would

1174
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: expect for a guy that size. He doesn't put the

1175
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: ball in the ground. I don't know. When you break

1176
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: down all the traits that you look for the running

1177
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: back position, Jones gets more check marks than Darius Guys does.

1178
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: For me, oh, I agree, I'm I'm the exact same

1179
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: way he talk at the Jones the pad level too,

1180
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: just kind of able to get down and hide behind guys.

1181
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: You start talking about guys again, I might need to

1182
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: rewatch him and look at twenty sixteen though. And that's

1183
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: something we always talked, We always joke about it. We

1184
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: hate doing that. Man, if he was good in twenty sixteen,

1185
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: he would be good in twenty seventeen. It's the old

1186
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser example, Conn Williams effect, sure, right, Yeah, so

1187
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: I think I want to watch twenty six team before

1188
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: I really you know, fully commit to how I feel

1189
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: about Darius guys. But so it's clearly Ronald Jones for

1190
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: me separated. Yeah, but for you, I know I went.

1191
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: I went Jones first, guys second, it's what I did.

1192
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: So Jones you number two running back, Yeah, Jones, my

1193
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: number two running. I've noticed the LSU guys because of

1194
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 1: you know, the last few years of pain have kind

1195
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: of they're they're more skeptical on the LSU guys. So

1196
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: you really want to make sure that you usman you

1197
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: and hellman. Yeah, those guys. You always want to ask

1198
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: you guys your heart on the LSU. No, No, I

1199
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: haven't I have Jones. He Jones a better player you'll

1200
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: bring We'll call out a name, was a better player.

1201
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: We'll call out a name before we watch an LSU guy,

1202
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: and you'll further the kind of make a little noise.

1203
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: Let's watch this Tolliver kid. Uh, hold on, I haven't

1204
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: seen him yet. Now I already think he's not good. Oh,

1205
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: don't say that. I'd say that. Katie. Thanks so much

1206
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: for joining us. I didn't really appreciate you. You'll be

1207
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: back tomorrow night film steady, right, can't wait. We're gonna

1208
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: watch Josh Sweat and Dorance Armstrong. That's gonna be the

1209
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: first call of the blocks. Yeah, thank you very director,

1210
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: player personnel, Buddy Appa, thank you all right for Dave Burgler,

1211
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: for Kevin KT Turner, I'm Brian Bruss. Also for Kent Garrison.

1212
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for falling along draft. She'll be

1213
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: back Thursday at eleven am. We will be back with

1214
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: some more information, try and get you a little bit

1215
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: closer to uh this. Three days coming up, so stay tuned.