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Speaker 1: a Tuesday. We got a lot of stuff percolating. Albert

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Speaker 1: Breer is gonna be around the corner. John Middletoff is

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Speaker 1: joining us for the rest of the week. Jamtkins next week.

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Speaker 1: He's been on vak SO a lot of things moving.

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Speaker 1: The Trey Hendrickson thing, apparently they're miles apart in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: The JJ McCarthy stuff still fascinating. Joe Burrow's playing three

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Speaker 1: series last night. Caleb Williams, So, John, I figured today

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Speaker 1: because I kind of feel like we've got coaching changes,

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Speaker 1: free agency, draft development, OTA's training camp, preseason. I kind

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Speaker 1: of feel like I know whether I'm right or not.

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I know what I believe

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Speaker 1: as of today. So I'm going to give you kind

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Speaker 1: of this is my final Herd hierarchy before we get

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Speaker 1: into that season, which is the first Thursday after Labor Day. Here,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, are the top ten teams headed into

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Speaker 1: this NFL season heard hierarchy. No, No, the top ten

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Speaker 1: NFL teams according to college Number ten. Detroit lost both

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Speaker 1: coordinators who were excellent, lost a couple of their best

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen on the interior. That's an issue. That's why

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Speaker 1: they addressed it in this draft. They've already had injuries

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Speaker 1: in this preseason, and so I have They're the fourth

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Speaker 1: NFL team to lose both coordinators in the last twenty

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Speaker 1: five years. It's hard go ass Philadelphia, and especially when

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Speaker 1: they're elite coordinators that get head coaching jobs. So the

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Speaker 1: division's better lost their coordinators. I have Detroit at number ten.

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Speaker 1: Number nine, green Bay very quiet camp. Now, Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: struggled in the division last year. It was one in five,

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Speaker 1: only beat the Bears barely, so that's a little concerning.

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Speaker 1: But they upgraded their receiving corps. You know, they've They've

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Speaker 1: think they've had a quiet camp. I'm not worried about

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Speaker 1: the Jordan Love left hand injury at all. I think

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Speaker 1: this is a well run operation. I like teams that

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Speaker 1: have them at nine, number eight the Rams. This is

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Speaker 1: I would have them much higher. I'd have them two

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Speaker 1: or three. But the Matt Stafford injury is concerning. No

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Speaker 1: team played more rookies than the Rams last year, which

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Speaker 1: hyper aggressive defense that will be the key to their team,

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Speaker 1: not Matt Stafford, but you got to have Stafford on

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Speaker 1: the field. They're not particularly strong at backup. The division

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Speaker 1: solid Rams at number eight, number seven the Commanders. I

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Speaker 1: Their offensive line is still okay. DBO will help, but

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Speaker 1: I think Washington overall is going to be good. I

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Speaker 1: Number six Seattle back to back to back drafts that

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Speaker 1: They upgraded their offensive line, their defense will be in

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Speaker 1: That could be two wins. Number five Kansas City. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Baltimore and they're gonna win seventy five percent of their

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Speaker 1: maybe Philadelphia. But what don't they do well? Well? They

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Speaker 1: don't think they're as good at quarterback. I think when

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Speaker 1: But again, it's they do everything well. They GM well,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's touch on the Matt Stafford things. So Matt

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Speaker 1: Hasselbeck said, listen, when you get old, the back injuries

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Speaker 1: what's the feel around the league on Stafford and the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Is it worse than they're letting on?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's like some teams that are looking

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Speaker 2: As for the Rams themselves, the vibe I've.

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Speaker 3: Gotten is that, like whether it was eighty eighty five,

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Speaker 2: While again saving.

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Speaker 3: Those bullets that Matthew Stafford only has a limited amount of.

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Speaker 3: So that's the approach that they've taken, like they felt

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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford up for the season. Obviously, the stepback a

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Speaker 3: week ago wasn't great news, and it should have everybody's

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Speaker 3: radar up. But Matthew's been through this before. He had

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like he's surrendered on Anthony Richardson like,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think if they were going to build that

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Speaker 3: in Colin, what would have made more sense is you

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Speaker 3: go to Anthony Richardson knowing you can go to Daniel Jones, right,

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Speaker 3: Like if you go with Daniel Jones from the start,

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Speaker 3: I think it's much harder to go back to Anthony

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Speaker 3: Richardson based on all of the history there. And look,

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Speaker 3: I think that one play, the play that he got

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Speaker 3: Colts got right, But that one play was sort of

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Speaker 3: a microscrosm of the problem with Anthony Richardson in that,

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Speaker 3: like the awareness, the.

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Speaker 2: Ability to run the offense at a high level, it.

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Speaker 3: Just hasn't been there with Anthony Richardson to the level

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Speaker 3: he exposed himself to injury. He exposed his team to

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Speaker 3: the stuff that they've been trying to eliminate the entire offseason.

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Speaker 3: It's actually interesting if you look at the Colts last year,

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Speaker 1: So I think sometimes you go into a season and

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Speaker 3: So Jackson Dark has checked every box and everything that

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Speaker 2: Him in the building. And they had a lot of

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Speaker 3: And I just think it's really hard to thread that

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Speaker 2: Right now. Have you looked at the first six games

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Speaker 3: It looks like it looks like Owen six is staring

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Speaker 3: so then I think maybe you reassess if things have

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Speaker 3: gone off the rails, because again, like looking out into

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Speaker 3: your locker room at the beginning of the year and

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Speaker 3: giving them a rookie quarterback who the locker room isn't

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Speaker 3: quite sure can play.

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Speaker 2: Instead of Joe Flacco, that's a really tough look for

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Speaker 2: a coach.

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Speaker 3: Now, if you get to one and seven, or you're

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Speaker 3: three and eight, or you're four and.

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Speaker 2: Nine, that's a different deal altogether.

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Speaker 3: At that point, coch like players know the score, but

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Speaker 3: for the here and the now, the idea is to

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Speaker 3: give them the best answer to win right now, and

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Speaker 3: a guy who's going to give them the best chance

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Speaker 3: to succeed individually and as a team, And very clearly

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Speaker 3: that's been Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 1: All right. You know, it's funny we took this morning.

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Speaker 1: I took the Bear schedule and I said, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be optimistic. I'll give you a split. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a split, which they never do. They were one

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Speaker 1: in five in division last year. I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: split with Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit. I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you the go either way games like the Giants at home,

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Speaker 1: Steelers at home. I'm going to give you all those.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you wins in Las Vegas. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was incredibly optimistic. I mean, they don't split

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Speaker 1: their division very often. They mean, they went one in

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Speaker 1: five last year. They're a home dog to Minnesota in

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Speaker 1: Week one. And I went through every game and then

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Speaker 1: I said, I took a bunch of games, like I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: you're not winning at Baltimore, you're not winning. In San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: you're not winning probably in Philadelphia. I had a few

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Speaker 1: not winning. And I got to nine and eight, and

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Speaker 1: I thought that was really optimistic. If you look at

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Speaker 1: that schedule, and that's why you said, yeah, happiness is

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Speaker 1: connected to expectations. If nine and eight in Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: you got the right coach and the right quarterback. Take

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Speaker 1: it now, you look at this schedule. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: some non winnable games there at Philly, at Baltimore, at

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, at San Francisco. Those are tough games for

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Speaker 1: a rookie coach. What do you see when you look

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Speaker 1: at the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's indicative of the division in general.

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Speaker 3: Like last year you had a fifteen win division champion

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Speaker 3: and a fourteen win wild card. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: that's going to happen again with the draw the division

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Speaker 3: got in general, and the Bears obviously are in the

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Speaker 3: midst of that. And you would think with the strength

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Speaker 3: of the division just on its own in a vacuum,

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Speaker 3: with the Vikings and the Lions and the Packers all

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Speaker 3: coming back as playoff teams, there's a chance that they

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Speaker 3: cannibalize each other to begin with, which is going to

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Speaker 3: I think, I like, look, all four of them aren't

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Speaker 3: making the playoffs, you know, based on the schedule and

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Speaker 3: based on the ace in the division. So I think

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Speaker 3: what's fair to look at for the Bears is are

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Speaker 3: they ascending At the end of the year. Did the

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Speaker 3: offensive line come together? They spend a lot of resources

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Speaker 3: and bringing in Joe Tooney Andrew Dolman and Jonah Jackson.

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Speaker 2: How does the defense look like?

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Speaker 3: How does the defense look under Dennis Allen obviously that

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Speaker 3: was his strengthen their Matti Eberflus, and you hit the

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Speaker 3: biggest one, which is Caleb.

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Speaker 2: Is Caleb Williams ascending going into too year three?

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Speaker 3: If the Bears are at seven wins, eight wins, nine wins,

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Speaker 3: and Ben Johnson is starting to show signs of being

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Speaker 3: the mastermind that he was in Detroit, and you're gonna

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Speaker 3: be able to watch and see some of the schematic

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Speaker 3: stuff they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Is that stuff starting to show up? And is Caleb

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Speaker 2: getting the ball out on time?

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Speaker 3: And is he putting the Superman cape on when he

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Speaker 3: needs to put the Superman.

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Speaker 2: Cape on and not at other times? Right?

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Speaker 3: You start to see a combination of those things at

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Speaker 3: the end of the year, and I think you can

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Speaker 3: be really happy with the season. I don't view the

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Speaker 3: Bears as the sort of team that like where it's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: if they don't make the playoffs, then we need to

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Speaker 3: take a really hard look at things.

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Speaker 2: But like, based on the makeup of their.

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Speaker 3: Roster and where they've invested, I do look at it

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Speaker 3: like that should be a team that's ascending at the

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Speaker 3: end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer twenty three camps as good as anybody that

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Speaker 1: does this. Good see anybody?

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Speaker 2: All right? Thanks Colin, you bet.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, great information today. Have you watched John? Have

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Speaker 1: you watched that?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a peak of that Cowboys thing. I need

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Speaker 1: to fire it up? Is that tonight?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It well, it's a you know, it's one of those

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Speaker 1: streaming ventures, so you can you can go back and

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Speaker 1: watch it if you don't watch it the night. It

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Speaker 1: comes out very interesting. Jerry gets very emotional, he's a

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Speaker 1: very you know. He says he likes the pain, which

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'll be honest, I don't love pain. I

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Speaker 1: have very little pain tolerance. Totally agree. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I've called in sick because I Jay walked the day before.

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Speaker 1: Like I'll just you know, not show. So, uh, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: It is a it is Jerry likes being on camera

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Speaker 1: and Jerry likes the pain and he has created lots

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Speaker 1: of it in recent years. Fun stuff to think about.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff going on. I thought Albert

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Speaker 1: Breer I had a lot of things out there. Heard

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Speaker 1: Final hour of the show. Mark san just stopping by today.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff with the news Now. Colin is the headline news.

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Speaker 4: There was a fight at Titans camp yesterday and it's

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Speaker 4: stemmed from a cam Ward.

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Speaker 1: He'd be the quarterback a touchdown throw.

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Speaker 4: Afterward threw the touchdown, he celebrated in the face of

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons. Oh, with Simmons retaliating and pushing awards Facebook

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Speaker 4: or face masks. The offensive line jumped in to defend

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Speaker 4: their quarterback in a scuffle broke out dB Jarvis Brownlee

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Speaker 4: broke down how the quarterback reacted.

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Speaker 7: You get that same out of too, that same comfort,

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Speaker 7: that same edge each and every day out of those

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Speaker 7: two gods. You know, they never changed. So you know

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Speaker 7: that's what you expect. But you went when it does

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Speaker 7: happen without quotebit, you know, we try to break it

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Speaker 7: up as soon as possibly, fix it as soon as possible.

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Speaker 7: But for me, I feel like it's a great thing.

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Speaker 7: You know, when you've got great teams. Man brought this fight.

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Speaker 7: You know you never went to a quarterback in the

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Speaker 7: middle of it, Ohays type of tennis. But when the

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Speaker 7: do happens, you know, it just shows you the level

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Speaker 7: with doll he got him. You know, me gonna take nothing.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Jeffrey Simmons is the last guy in

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Speaker 1: the AFC. Maybe i'd want to pick on, you know

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Speaker 1: what a mess with Jeffrey Simmons, but and can't. It's

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Speaker 1: by the way, cam Ward's totally humble and respectful on camera.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't bother me that he's kind of feisty

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Speaker 1: at practice. It doesn't bother me.

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Speaker 4: I got a parallel for you remember last year two

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Speaker 4: years ago, Jaden Daniels at LSU, the defense was terrible

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Speaker 4: and he carried them to nine wins. I mean they

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Speaker 4: were not a very good team. Miami last year defense

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Speaker 4: was atrocious. Cam Ward dominated. I see some similarities with

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Speaker 4: the two. Not necessarily Jayden's a better runner than Cam,

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Speaker 4: but kind of a gunslinger, really good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like Titans.

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Speaker 4: I mean, their team last year offensively but specifically a

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Speaker 4: quarterback could not have been worse. I mean, Will Levis

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Speaker 4: was an all time disaster. Their head coach is an

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Speaker 4: offensive guy, Brian Callahan, his dad's there with him. Widely

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Speaker 4: considered one of the best offensive line coaches. They have

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Speaker 4: pieces on defense. If Cam wored, obviously he's probably not

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Speaker 4: gonna be Jade Daniels as a rookie, but if he

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Speaker 4: can just be pretty good, who's to say they can't

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Speaker 4: win seven eight games after being the team that just

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Speaker 4: drafted number one overall.

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Speaker 1: I mean, most people are picking Houston to win the division,

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Speaker 1: and I trust CJ. Stroud and tomko Ryans, but you

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Speaker 1: know that organization took a step back last year, so

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Speaker 1: I that division to me, there's a wild card spot

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Speaker 1: there for the taking. I totally.

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Speaker 4: I think Houston's the biggest divisional lock in the league.

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Speaker 1: You can get into like plus one to ten.

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Speaker 6: Love that.

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Speaker 4: I do think the second place the Colts. I mean

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Speaker 4: they just chose Daniel Jones. We know the Jags. You

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Speaker 4: can never trust them. Titans, just keep an eye on them.

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Speaker 4: Another guy to keep an eye on Trey Hendrickson. He's

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Speaker 4: still in the middle of this hold in thing with

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Speaker 4: the Bengals, and there doesn't look to be an end

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Speaker 4: in sight. According to Schefter, the two sides have an

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Speaker 4: agreement for the durration of the deal and the average

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Speaker 4: per year on the deal, but they are nowhere close

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Speaker 4: to what many consider the most important thing when it

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Speaker 4: comes to these NFL deals, guaranteed money. Do you believe

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Speaker 4: the Bengals need Trey Hendrickson to be contenders?

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Speaker 3: Count?

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Speaker 1: Oh I. In terms of value, he's the most valuable

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Speaker 1: defensive player in the league. Not saying the best always

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Speaker 1: really good. He's the most valuable this this defense, I mean,

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Speaker 1: last night it's atrocious. Washington had huge runs.

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Speaker 4: Can I give you a stat Trey Hendrickson, he accounted

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Speaker 4: for the largest percentage of sacks for any team almost

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Speaker 4: fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: It was forty eight point six.

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Speaker 4: The next closest in the NFL was Miles Garrett, who's

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Speaker 4: going to the Hall of Fame at thirty four percent.

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Speaker 4: So there's a fourteen percentage difference from one to two.

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Speaker 1: That's insane.

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Speaker 4: This guy accounted for fifty percent of the sacks.

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Speaker 1: The team on defense won their personnel.

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Speaker 4: You know, to me, you can outscheme people offensively defensively,

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Speaker 4: you need a combination of them both, Right, Nick Saban's

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Speaker 4: known as a genius, so as Belichick, Lawrence Taylor, Vray Bowl,

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Speaker 4: all the guys in Alabama over the years.

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Speaker 1: Like, you can't just outthink everyone on defense. You need

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Speaker 1: the players, and obviously they need Trey Andrewson. Yeah, totally agree.

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Speaker 4: Last, but not least arch Manning. The hype couldn't be

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Speaker 4: any stronger. Obviously, it's gonna be the most anticipated game

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Speaker 4: coming up against Texas on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Number one, verse number three.

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Speaker 4: The hype is at an all time high, and a

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Speaker 4: couple of days ago, former LSU coach Ed Oseron made

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Speaker 4: a visit to Texas him as soccer boys, and he

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Speaker 4: said he's as close or maybe as good as Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow as I've seen, and I've never said that about anybody,

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Speaker 4: comparing Arch to Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Can Arch Manning live up to the hype, Colin, although

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can live up to the hype.

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Speaker 1: First of all of all the Mannings, he's the most athletic,

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Speaker 1: he runs the best. His arm strength from what I've seen,

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Speaker 1: not an issue. And what blew me away in a

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Speaker 1: world of the transfer portal and the nil let's just

656
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Speaker 1: talk transfer portal where everybody transfers marginal talents transfer. He

657
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: was the best quarterback Texas had last year, not a peep.

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Speaker 1: He could have easily gone to anywhere, Iowa, Louisville, anywhere.

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Speaker 1: He could have gone to big programs and started.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'll just sit here a steward. I'll be you know,

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Speaker 1: Texas football above me. I can't say this enough. When

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Speaker 1: you're not getting your way in life is when the

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Speaker 1: truth comes out about who you are. If you're a

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Speaker 1: dad and your son loses a game because of a

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Speaker 1: bad umpiring call, how you react as who you are?

667
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Speaker 1: They always say alcohol's truth serum, losing is truth serum.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's in a good mood when their kid wins, and

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Speaker 1: when you win, Arch Manning is a more talented quarterback

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Speaker 1: than Quinn yours. I don't think it's going to be close.

671
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Speaker 1: And he just sat there as a backup, and that's like,

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Speaker 1: that is all I need to know about the maturity

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Speaker 1: needed because he's going to go to a bad team.

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Speaker 1: He's going to go to the Saints or Cleveland, and

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Speaker 1: we've seen guys who aren't mature enough in those situations unravel.

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Speaker 1: This kid's got it.

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 4: The intangibles clearly are not going to be the question.

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Speaker 4: But on the field in the sec you know, to

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Speaker 4: be the number one overall pick comparing to Joe Burrow,

681
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Speaker 4: who had a historic season. We've seen other guys, you know,

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Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, Cam War, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams. They put

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Speaker 4: up big, big numbers in college. So it's going to

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Speaker 4: be interesting. The pressure is on at this program. I

685
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Speaker 4: mean a lot of people are picking Texas rightfully so

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Speaker 4: to win the national championship.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you another quarterback that's fastened, Niko

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Speaker 1: Iamaliav at UCLA. So he didn't you know his dad.

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Speaker 1: As I've said, quarterback dads become pageant mom. Their heart's

690
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Speaker 1: in the right place. But sometimes they get in the way.

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Speaker 1: I was looking two days over the weekend. I was

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Speaker 1: looking at quarterbacks in college. The wild card is that kid,

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Speaker 1: because I watched them last year at Tennessee. Now he

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Speaker 1: did the opposite of Oars Manning. I'm not getting my way.

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Speaker 1: I'm out could have been Dad, but okay, so I

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Speaker 1: don't love that at all. And he went to a

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Speaker 1: program with less town around him. But the two quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in college, I can't wait to watch everything Arch Manning

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Speaker 1: and Nico Iamaliava of UCLA. Keep your eye on that

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Speaker 1: kid because we all kind of dissed him when he

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Speaker 1: did that, and he did the opposite of what I

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Speaker 1: think you should do as a as a bat signal

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Speaker 1: to nflgms. But that kid's also fascinating to me.

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Speaker 4: But you talked about it earlier on the show with expectations.

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Speaker 4: The expectations for Arch couldn't be any higher. And for

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Speaker 4: the first time in a couple of years, Nico kind

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Speaker 4: of gets.

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Speaker 1: The fly under the radar he does. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: in the second biggest football program in his own town

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Speaker 1: in La John Middlecoff with the news, Well, that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by. The herd Line News. How

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Speaker 1: about that. Albert Breer came out and said, when I

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Speaker 1: was at the Bears camp, Caleb Williams was awful, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. That's the growing pains.

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Speaker 1: Caleb's an ad lib a freelancer. I think his comp

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Speaker 1: having watched him now, is Brett Farv. He is he

717
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Speaker 1: is sometimes at his best in chaos, like literally at

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Speaker 1: his best, but you can't live that way in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and that's what costs. For so many times in big

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Speaker 1: games he would just add lib his way out of

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Speaker 1: a win. Remember that in Minnesota when he threw across

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Speaker 1: his You're like, oh, bro, cost of a super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Cost a super Bowl. So I think that's his compy.

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Speaker 1: He may not be his talented as far, but I

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Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. Albert's like, yeah, I was there

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Speaker 1: for a practice, and I think you're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: lot of that with Caleb. I think you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: a lot of play like that. He's gonna have really

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Speaker 1: good Sundays, and even in his good games, he's gonna

730
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Speaker 1: have really bad plays like Joe Burrow had one last night.

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Speaker 1: You don't get that much from Burrow, but here, here,

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Speaker 1: was Breer. I thought he was brutally honest on the

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Speaker 1: on the day he was at the Bears camp.

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Speaker 3: I think what you saw was a Caleb Williams we

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Speaker 3: really haven't seen, maybe even going back to college, where

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Speaker 3: he's playing fast, he's playing on time, the ball is out,

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Speaker 3: the plays are are run in a fashion where everything

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Speaker 3: looks coherent. They know he can put on the cape

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Speaker 3: and be Superman. The idea is like, how do you

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Speaker 3: balance that? Was running an actual NFL offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. He also said again he NFL, they're

742
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Speaker 1: just the NFL. Really, And I said this yesterday. It's

743
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Speaker 1: like being the head of Paramount Pictures. You know, you

744
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: don't want bombs. It's okay to dirt a screenplay. It

745
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: is okay to throw the ball out of bounds. You

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Speaker 1: do not want negative plays. And these run around guys.

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Speaker 1: Lamar was so fast, he didn't have a ton of them,

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Speaker 1: But these run around guys that have lived in high

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Speaker 1: school and college on just making stuff up. With a

750
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Speaker 1: broken plane, it turns to a net positive. It doesn't

751
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Speaker 1: work that way in the NFL, Johnny Manziel, it just

752
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Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. So I just can't wait to

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Speaker 1: watch it. Caleb Williams, Year two, Ben Johnson open it

754
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Speaker 1: home with Minnesota and yes they are a underdog as

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Speaker 1: a home team in Week one, It's the Hurd. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to catch live editions of The Herd dayson Noone

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Speaker 1: Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one

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Speaker 1: and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: Thursday, the game's most historic rivalry takes center stages. Alice,

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Speaker 4: Alex Bregman and the Red Sox take on Aaron Judge

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Speaker 4: and the Yankees for the Astros Battle of the Orioles.

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Speaker 1: Check local listings for.

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Speaker 4: The game in your area Thursday at seven Eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So Yeah, I used to My wife used to make

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Speaker 1: fun of me. We'd go out to eat dinner and

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Speaker 1: I would always order chicken parm and She's like, well,

767
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Speaker 1: I can make that at home, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wish you would. I love chicken parm. And she

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Speaker 1: was more experimental with what you know, she's the artist,

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Speaker 1: the creative, and she would just order a bunch of

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Speaker 1: stuff and half the time she's like, I like what

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Speaker 1: I ordered. And I've never gone to a restaurant and

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Speaker 1: said I don't like what I've ordered. I like my steak.

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Speaker 1: I like my chicken palm. I like what I know,

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Speaker 1: even if it's flawed or not, you know, exciting. I

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00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: just watched the Billy Joeldoc. I may watch it again today.

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Speaker 1: I like Bill Joe. I like him a lot. I

778
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Speaker 1: listen to his songs all the time on YouTube. Rolling

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Speaker 1: Stones still tour. Ozzy Osbourne performed up until the end.

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Speaker 1: Even though Biden and Trump may be flawed, people like

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Speaker 1: what they know. They don't like that new guy in

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Speaker 1: New York. A lot of people are whoh socialists. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what he is, but people people, and I

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Speaker 1: understand this. I like comfort food there. I'm a non traditionalist.

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Speaker 2: But when the.

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Speaker 1: NBA schedule came out, it's a bunch of Lebron games

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of Staph games, and I get it.

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Speaker 1: Those are the great memory International guys. You didn't watch

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Speaker 1: them in college. They don't have big personalities, and a

790
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: lot of the young players they're all through the league now.

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Speaker 1: You can't have two or three stars together. The last

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Speaker 1: runner we had at that was the Heatles maybe or

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Speaker 1: you know Katie to the Warriors. Those days are gone.

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Speaker 1: I mean Phoenix tried to do it, but they were

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Speaker 1: all a little bit too old. So the NBA came

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Speaker 1: out with their schedule and a team I think is

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Speaker 1: gonna be great, the Orlando Magic. I mean they got

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Speaker 1: they only have fourteen games on television. That's significantly less

799
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Speaker 1: than half of the brawn of the Warriors. But I

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Speaker 1: understand it. The grateful Dead, whatever's left of them, they're

801
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: still touring. The Stones are still touring, and there's a

802
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Speaker 1: reason for it. People want to go. They want to

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Speaker 1: go in maybe a flawed band. They can't hit the

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Speaker 1: high notes, but you know what you're getting when Steph

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Speaker 1: and Lebron play, you know what you're getting. And I

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Speaker 1: look at this schedule and Adam Silver just signed a

807
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Speaker 1: seventy six billion dollar, eleven year deal. You can criticize them,

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00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: but the league's never had more skill. Everybody can shoot

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Speaker 1: and dribble. They just got a massive TV deal. You know, Politically,

810
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Speaker 1: sometimes people think they're you know, they don't land right

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Speaker 1: for all of America. Whatever they got the bag, they

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Speaker 1: don't care. It's up the networks now to make money

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Speaker 1: on the broadcasting. But when I watch the Lakers and

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Speaker 1: Warriors games, like, I don't think the Warriors have a

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Speaker 1: chance to win the title. I think the Lakers are

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Speaker 1: a real long shot. I don't think they have the

817
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Speaker 1: size to win a title. But I mean, I get

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Speaker 1: putting the Knicks at thirty four games, and I they'll

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Speaker 1: outrate My guess is they'll outrate the much better team,

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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City Thunder. I'm surprised the Wolves with Ant

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Speaker 1: probably got so many games, but I mean the Rockets, KD, Lakers,

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Speaker 1: Lebron Warriors, staff, Nicks, belovable Jalen Brunson. I think if

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum was back, the Celtics would have more. But

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Speaker 1: I mean I credit I credit the NBA for putting

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Speaker 1: that many Nugget Nuggets games on. They have twenty six

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Speaker 1: National Nuggets games. I love watching the Nuggets, but I

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Speaker 1: understand that Jokic doesn't move the needle. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the most gifted, multi dimensional center of my lifetime. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I covered our Vitas Sabonis. He wasn't in his prime.

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Speaker 1: Jokicic is like our Venus Sabonis plus a grade and

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Speaker 1: a half. And Sabonis was unbelievably gifted. But I probably

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Speaker 1: have a few more Maverick games in there, to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, But again, they don't have a Cooper

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Speaker 1: Flag to me, is going to work immediately. Like I

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Speaker 1: think Cooper Flag is going to get a number immediately.

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Speaker 1: That's that. When's the last time we had amestic product,

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Speaker 1: A Duke Carolina guy you could not wait to watch

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Speaker 1: as a rookie. I mean, honestly, not many. So I

839
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Speaker 1: think Dallas is undervalued. I think Dallas is my dark

840
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: horse team to get to the NBA Finals. Man. I

841
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: wish Tyrese Haliburton was healthy because I think Indiana is

842
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: just a blast to watch. But I am okay with

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Speaker 1: you know. We like what we like, man, we like

844
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Speaker 1: what we like. You'd think there'd be Lebron fatigue. But

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Speaker 1: if he plays Steph on a Christmas Day or a

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Speaker 1: big get it, it'll get a huge number. Mark Schleret,

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Speaker 1: not Mark Sanchez, My bad. Mark Schlereth is going to

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Speaker 1: be stopping by last hour. Best camp may have been

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Speaker 1: the Broncos.