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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to another new episode of

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Speaker 1: Couch Talks on You Need Therapy. My name is Cat,

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Speaker 1: I am the host, and couch Talks is the special

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Speaker 1: bonus episode of You Need Therapy that comes out every

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Speaker 1: single Wednesday, where I answer questions that you guys send

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Speaker 1: in to me and you can send those two Catherine

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Speaker 1: at You Need Therapy podcast dot com. Before we get started,

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Speaker 1: a quick reminder, I'm answering your questions and I'm a therapist.

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, this is not therapy itself

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Speaker 1: or replacement. It might get you to go to therapy,

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Speaker 1: it might encourage you to talk about something new in therapy,

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Speaker 1: but it is not a replacement for it. So let's

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Speaker 1: get into the stuff today. We're doing one question. We

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Speaker 1: usually do one question and we keep all the questions anonymous.

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Speaker 1: This one, I probably wouldn't have to keep this anonymous

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Speaker 1: because I just took the question from the email. But

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Speaker 1: I got an email from somebody that basically was saying

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Speaker 1: they were really confused about all the options out there

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Speaker 1: for therapy and this other thing called coaching, and they

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Speaker 1: were looking for somebody to go see and they found

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Speaker 1: all these people on Instagram and then was like, well

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Speaker 1: what do I do? So the question in this email

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Speaker 1: basically was what is the difference between a therapist and

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Speaker 1: a coach? And you know, hot topic, really hot topic,

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Speaker 1: especially depending on who you ask, And it is really confusing,

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Speaker 1: especially because with social media there are tons of coaches

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Speaker 1: that can coach you on just about anything. It is

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Speaker 1: wild to me you can find a coach for anything.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of Instagram therapists out there too

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Speaker 1: that are they therapists? Are they coaches? Are the counselors?

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Speaker 1: What are they? So I know that it's confusing. It's

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Speaker 1: very important to look at what somebody calls themselves so

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Speaker 1: you can see really what they are. Because if somebody

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Speaker 1: is calling themselves a therapist but they did not go

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Speaker 1: to school to become that and get a degree and

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Speaker 1: are working towards lecenshire or have some kind of certification

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Speaker 1: and that, then that is illegal and anybody can call

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Speaker 1: themselves a coach. So there's that we'll get into it,

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Speaker 1: but it is confusing. So just be very mindful of

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Speaker 1: what people are calling themselves and if you can look

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Speaker 1: at like where their training is from or where they

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Speaker 1: learn things versus did they just decide they were an

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Speaker 1: expert that will be one very helpful for you at first.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about the differences, and I want to

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Speaker 1: start with none of this is saying that one is

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Speaker 1: better than the other, that a coach is better than therapist,

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Speaker 1: or a therapist is better than the coach. There's totally

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Speaker 1: space in the world for both therapists and coaches to

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Speaker 1: live and be successful and both be helpful. Coaches are

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Speaker 1: very valuable depending on their knowledge and their training and

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Speaker 1: their ability to stay in their lane. So what do

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Speaker 1: they specialize in, what do they do coaching with and

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Speaker 1: can they stay within the coaching realm? And then the

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Speaker 1: same goes for therapists. Right, So therapists can be really

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Speaker 1: helpful as long as they also stay in their lane.

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Speaker 1: And I talked about this all the time, but not

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Speaker 1: all therapists are created equal, and not all therapists can

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Speaker 1: work on all things. So there are certain things that

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Speaker 1: I know that I don't specialize in and I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know what to do with even though I'm a licensed therapist.

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Speaker 1: That's not my thing. So I'm not I'm going to

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Speaker 1: stand in my lane and not take that on because

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Speaker 1: I could cause harm and as a therapist, a licensed therapist,

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Speaker 1: we have a code of ethics, and one of the

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Speaker 1: main pillars of our ethical guidelines are like, do no

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Speaker 1: harm and do good. So I'm trying every day to

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Speaker 1: do no harm, and by taking on somebody that I

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Speaker 1: don't know how to help would be probably opening up

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Speaker 1: we'll get into um why those ethics are important as

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Speaker 1: really really want to stay up top and like I said,

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Speaker 1: this is a hot topic and something that's very confusing

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Speaker 1: and something that can get I know, from my side,

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Speaker 1: because it is so confusing and it really shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: because these things are different. And just to like list

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Speaker 1: off some differences easily from the top without getting into

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Speaker 1: the nuances of anything. Is the differences are one areas

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Speaker 1: of expertise where therapists are trained on how to look

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Speaker 1: in and dealing with. Now I'm simplifying this a lot,

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Speaker 1: be more solution focus, so they look at a presenting

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Speaker 1: a solution right then and there. So areas of expertise

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Speaker 1: is a big part of the difference. Also, our training

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Speaker 1: is very different. I had to go to school for

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Speaker 1: three years. Not all programs are three years long, but

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Speaker 1: I had to go to grad school for three years,

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Speaker 1: and then it took me three years to get my

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Speaker 1: to do post school to get licensed. Where anybody can

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Speaker 1: call themselves a coach, and anybody can create a certification

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Speaker 1: for a coaching certification, I guess um anybody can create

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Speaker 1: it's not as regulated. Anybody can do it. Anybody can

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Speaker 1: call themselves that. Anybody can become an expert and whatever

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Speaker 1: themselves a coach, so that does not mean that coaches

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Speaker 1: are not good and coaches are not experts. You just

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Speaker 1: have to be more mindful as the consumer to kind

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Speaker 1: of vet out who you're looking for. Where yes, some

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Speaker 1: therapists can also be bad. We have a lot more

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Speaker 1: regulations that make sure that we actually know for the

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Speaker 1: most part what we're doing. And then we have had

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Speaker 1: a lot of training and that we have to keep

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Speaker 1: up with that because we also have to do continuing

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Speaker 1: education and I I mean, we get audited for that too.

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Speaker 1: I had to send in proof that I did all

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Speaker 1: my continuing education and I was continuing to learn and

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Speaker 1: grow as our field learns and grows. And I think

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Speaker 1: that part is really important. Some other differences from the

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Speaker 1: backside of these things, not just what we do is

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Speaker 1: like I said, the ethical guidelines. So we have a

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Speaker 1: code of ethics that we had to even like pass

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Speaker 1: a test to get licensed. To pass this ethics test,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of regulations. We have a board,

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Speaker 1: so we have to report to a board, and we

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Speaker 1: a coach can just be like, oh, I want to

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Speaker 1: do this again, not saying that some of those people

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Speaker 1: And there are some coaches that I think are awesome.

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Speaker 1: can be some really good coaches. I've had a coach

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Speaker 1: just because you can like go to a counseling program

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Speaker 1: the degree that you signed up to get, which is controversial,

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Speaker 1: saying like we had to go through torture, like I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the training. UM. The training that goes into becoming

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Speaker 1: We actually have to go and experience and practice and

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Speaker 1: to them, and I want to read that. And then

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Speaker 1: I also opened it up. I asked a separate question

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Speaker 1: to people that were not licensed professionals and what they

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Speaker 1: thought it was. So I'm going to read what just

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Speaker 1: anybody answered, so that the question around, like, for anybody

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Speaker 1: who's not in the field, what do you think the differences?

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Speaker 1: And I'm just going to read some of those out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: first one, anyone can be a coach, but therapists need certification.

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Speaker 1: That's mostly right. Coaches can get certifications, as it's cat

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Speaker 1: talking about the answer. Coaches can get certifications, they just

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Speaker 1: are not regulated, and therapists have to be either certified

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Speaker 1: or licensed. One person said a coach might have a certification,

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Speaker 1: but it's more casual, which I guess I get what

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Speaker 1: they're saying there. Somebody else said everything's different. Some meal

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Speaker 1: said therapist went to school for four years followed by

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Speaker 1: people who have credited education and other credited certifications. Somebody

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