Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphney's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: All Right, girls, good to see you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's good to see you, Guys's been a
Speaker 1: very exciting morning for me.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So, I very earnestly watched episode six like a Good
Speaker 1: Girl on my Amazon where I have bought the season
Speaker 1: because I'm such a kiss ass. Wow, and I came
Speaker 1: in today and Daphney started talking about it. It was
Speaker 1: not the episode i'd watched.
Speaker 2: Yep. She's staring at me like, are you crazy? And
Speaker 2: I go, you totally made out with Ja and she's forgot.
Speaker 1: And you're gonnaze you with Billy's parents. What happened?
Speaker 3: It wasn't your fault. It wasn't you that you watched
Speaker 3: the wrong episode.
Speaker 1: It was not, thank god, because as a good girl,
Speaker 1: I'd be devastated. So apparently on Paramount Plus and Amazon
Speaker 1: they have different sixes and seven. It's the only time
Speaker 1: it happened. So if you're following along with us and
Speaker 1: you're thinking, why aren't you talking about Alison going on
Speaker 1: vacation with Billy's parents Because you're watching on Amazon.
Speaker 3: And they're showing seven before six and.
Speaker 1: They're showing seven before six, right, So so pair went
Speaker 1: back next week and then watched this episode that I
Speaker 1: just watched in the hallway because it's crazy good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I did. I made out with Jake.
Speaker 3: Three times a glad, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I was like, oh my goodness, that
Speaker 1: is some pretty hot stuff. That was spicy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the one we are supposed to be watching now,
Speaker 3: Courtney's all, when you.
Speaker 1: Guys watched, how was it?
Speaker 2: I loved about it is It was totally like the
Speaker 2: bad boy and good girl fantasy. It felt like it
Speaker 2: was a fantasy for both types.
Speaker 1: I feel like Breakfast Club, didn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah it did. It was so you.
Speaker 2: Would have liked me. I thought you would be too smart.
Speaker 2: I thought you wouldn't you know? It was great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. But we're cutting to the end. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have to start at the beginning. But I
Speaker 1: literally watched it three minutes ago, so it's very freshman
Speaker 1: eat it up from it.
Speaker 2: She's already to.
Speaker 3: Go, all right, So we are talking about season one,
Speaker 3: episode six, the title Second Chances and Okay, so this
Speaker 3: episode opens on a poker game in Billy and Allison's
Speaker 3: apartment and they're playing poker. Ronda wants to she needs
Speaker 3: to buy in. She wants to offer up tickets to
Speaker 3: a dance show instead of money. The gangs is no way.
Speaker 3: And then the last round of cards, Allison's all in
Speaker 3: and she ends up scaring everybody out. They fold. Turns
Speaker 3: out she was bluffing.
Speaker 1: But it was so cute the way I love seeing
Speaker 1: everybody together. Right, we've done it at the pool, but
Speaker 1: I remember that we would get in so much trouble
Speaker 1: because we were laughing so hard. We just want to
Speaker 1: talk in between. It's like, but we don't all As
Speaker 1: you guys know, I've been trying to get everybody in
Speaker 1: my house for dinner for now thirty years, so this
Speaker 1: is the only chance we had to sort of all
Speaker 1: be in a room talking and chatting. So it was
Speaker 1: like being kindergarteners. We kept getting shirt, we kept getting
Speaker 1: in trouble with The chemistry was great among all of us,
Speaker 1: was so sweet. You could really see that we were friends, Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I could really.
Speaker 3: I think those scenes were so important for that to
Speaker 3: start happening that comra. Do you remember shooting that scene, Like,
Speaker 3: do you remember sitting around the poker table.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that scene exactly. It was fun to watch,
Speaker 1: but I remember having scenes when we were all together
Speaker 1: and we would get they were so frustrated with us,
Speaker 1: but we were so excited to be together because especially
Speaker 1: later when you guys came on, the storylines were so separate. Yep,
Speaker 1: so it really became more rare for us all to
Speaker 1: be together. So it's really so much fun to we
Speaker 1: were catching up. We want it. We're like, you've brought
Speaker 1: us all together, don't make us stop into our lines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very And it was always the most fun when
Speaker 3: we were all together, most fun. And I love that
Speaker 3: this episode we're starting to see that more often in
Speaker 3: the last episode two, like they're putting the characters all together. Yes,
Speaker 3: but it is sort of Uh, they're still in this
Speaker 3: mode of just telling one character story at a time.
Speaker 3: They're not necessarily carrying over just yet. These are self
Speaker 3: contained stories. Still in this this episode, we really are
Speaker 3: going to have an Alison and Jake storyline, and then
Speaker 3: we're also going to have a Rhonda storyline, just as
Speaker 3: we're getting to know those characters individually exactly. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so the end of the Poker Hand, Alison reveals that
Speaker 3: she's the reason she's so good at bluffing is she
Speaker 3: feels like she's good under pressure. And that was also,
Speaker 3: by the way, how she studied in school. She would
Speaker 3: do it at the last minute, she'd cramp for things
Speaker 3: because she was so good under pressure.
Speaker 1: She said.
Speaker 3: So she takes the pot, she wins the hand for
Speaker 3: the night, and but Jake's like the scene out is
Speaker 3: like him going hmm.
Speaker 1: A little fun on the that's what Alison said about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then we go have some very Melrose lines.
Speaker 2: He says, I showed you mine, you show me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the Melrose line. So there's already already this
Speaker 2: this flirty foreplay happening and foreshadowing. And then I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have taken you for this, and then you said, well
Speaker 2: you don't know me, and it was just this whole
Speaker 2: kind of thing foreshadowing. Yeah, those very key Melrose lines. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very showed you mine, show me your.
Speaker 3: I'm very subtle, very super subtle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then we find Matt swimming in the pool, Ronda
Speaker 3: coming to invite him. Yea topless count. Ronda's inviting him
Speaker 3: to go to this dance thing, and he has absolutely
Speaker 3: no interest in attending. She says, I need you there.
Speaker 3: He says, all right, I'll go.
Speaker 1: So of course she does, because he's the nicest person, is.
Speaker 3: The nicest friend. And then Jake comes knocking on Alison's
Speaker 3: door the next morning or later the next morning, asking
Speaker 3: for help with something. Doesn't want to tell her what
Speaker 3: it is, but would she mind coming to his apartment
Speaker 3: later that night.
Speaker 1: Right, which is also said Daphne's thinking about the foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: So now you've already been set up that there's some chemistry,
Speaker 1: so it feels.
Speaker 2: Like and.
Speaker 3: What is that about?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: So then we go to the dance performance and Matt
Speaker 3: and Ronda are watching the performance, and I think that
Speaker 3: Matt is just wrapped. He is just loving the performance.
Speaker 3: He didn't expect to and is just.
Speaker 1: Love so much of the dancing. Yeah, like they really
Speaker 1: focused on the dancing. That was fun.
Speaker 2: I mean to see that, to see these amazing dancers
Speaker 2: clearly not just you know, extras, they were dancers, and
Speaker 2: the doing what they were doing, the choreography, and that
Speaker 2: that lead guy was amazing. It looked like dancer.
Speaker 3: And just just for the prep work for that scene,
Speaker 3: like they had to get those dancers together and rehearse
Speaker 3: it and to shoot that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And the music. I think it brought a lot into Melose.
Speaker 2: It is in the courtyard, and it was really cool
Speaker 2: to bring in that artists, you know, that that artistic
Speaker 2: just bring it into our gang.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy Yeah, and to give it that much time,
Speaker 1: I really liked it too. I was very impressed.
Speaker 3: But I did happen to watch the show with Doug
Speaker 3: and made him watch with me, and he's sitting there going,
Speaker 3: I don't remember any of this episode. He didn't remember
Speaker 3: the poker game. And then he's like watching the concerts,
Speaker 3: like yet, no no recollection of watching this at all.
Speaker 3: And then and then as his character is like so
Speaker 3: enamored with the dancing, you know, for a guy who
Speaker 3: didn't want to go in the first place. And then
Speaker 3: he's watching the show and he's so enamored and he's like, yes,
Speaker 3: I want to go backstage. Yes, I love this. And
Speaker 3: he said to me, he goes, what is Matt straight?
Speaker 1: Who's your friends?
Speaker 3: So I want to meet your friend?
Speaker 1: Meet her?
Speaker 3: And it was it was confusing to him because he
Speaker 3: has no recollection of it all. He's just great for Teresa,
Speaker 3: but he was watching stage. So yeah. So then before
Speaker 3: they go backstage, though, we find out what's going on
Speaker 3: with Jake and Allison. She shows up at his apartment
Speaker 3: and he reveals that his secret is he didn't have
Speaker 3: a great upbringing and he never finished with high school
Speaker 3: and what he's doing now is studying for the GED.
Speaker 3: Would she help him?
Speaker 1: And which is so sweet And this is what makes
Speaker 1: Grant such a lovely guy and makes Jake such an
Speaker 1: interesting character, which is he's this tough guy. Same with
Speaker 1: Grant too, it's something they share, but this incredibly sweet
Speaker 1: side and that he can play both. I was so
Speaker 1: moved by this scene.
Speaker 2: I was just like the vulnerability from the tough guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love we love the vulnerable, the vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Because that's real. It's not even like a vulnerability of
Speaker 2: like his feelings to not have a deed to not
Speaker 2: you know, have graduated, not from college, but high school
Speaker 2: is a shame that you know, he carried around. So
Speaker 2: to open that up to you, you know, yeah, the smart,
Speaker 2: pretty girl. I thought that was really and that he
Speaker 2: was optimistic about it. Felt like for the first time
Speaker 2: he might have a future because he's been he's decided
Speaker 2: to work towards this, but he does think maybe I
Speaker 2: need some help because I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: I get this, and so he's asking Alison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to ask for help, right, Like, that's such
Speaker 1: a sweet moment for when a man can ask for help.
Speaker 1: It's so important. It's a great thing to model to.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a great such is such a
Speaker 1: sweet scene.
Speaker 3: So then we're back at the dance performance and Matt
Speaker 3: wants to meet the dancer friend Teresa, So they go
Speaker 3: backstage to find her. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 3: notice this. Do you know who opened the door to
Speaker 3: the dressing room to let them in? No, Chip Chalmers
Speaker 3: one of our directors. He recurring directors, Yes, and yeah,
Speaker 3: often he would, but they would often put crew members
Speaker 3: in as like little bit parts or x you know,
Speaker 3: like background performance. Sure enough, he had his head set
Speaker 3: on and he opens the door like he's playing the
Speaker 3: stage manager. Again. That was that was Doug spotting Chip.
Speaker 3: He doesn't remember anything about the episode, but he's spotted.
Speaker 1: He's like, wait, oh that's mind that Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fun. So they walk into the dressing
Speaker 3: room and they meet Teresa, and Teresa says to Matt
Speaker 3: who's I loved you know, I love the performance, glad
Speaker 3: I could turn you on, And then Ronda says, well
Speaker 3: so far, well only to yeah, so a dirty lick,
Speaker 3: eliciting a dirty lock from Matt, like all right, really
Speaker 3: around it again. Doug has zero recollection of she did
Speaker 3: that scene. But I did sort of know like we're
Speaker 3: just sort of like hinting around at the character of
Speaker 3: Matt being gay, like nobody's come out and said, oh buddy,
Speaker 3: you know whatever, Like it's not like an open conversation.
Speaker 3: It's just sort of like lines like this. Those the
Speaker 3: bread crumbs were just sort of like dropping for the audience.
Speaker 3: I asked Doug if there was anything like where you
Speaker 3: were you not allowed to openly talk about, like how
Speaker 3: like what were the parameters that was this thing part
Speaker 3: of because there were so many things they weren't allowed
Speaker 3: to do and that they weren't comfortable pushing certain boundaries
Speaker 3: and stuff. But anyway, I just sort of noticed it
Speaker 3: as like they're just leaving these little bread crumbs, like
Speaker 3: well only to a point, just.
Speaker 2: Doesn't she's not like this episode, she's a little toy
Speaker 2: about why it was written this way and why he
Speaker 2: played it that way because it was obviously flirty. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: It was sort of like, at first it looks like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's almost enamored with Teresa, yeah, as being attracted to her,
Speaker 3: but turns out that's not it. He's just sort of
Speaker 3: enamored with that with art, the performance and the dancing,
Speaker 3: and he's just really impressed with her dancings.
Speaker 1: I didn't I can't remember. Did Doug remembers they're seeing
Speaker 1: when he tells us I thought we all knew. No.
Speaker 3: I think I think the characters all do. It's just
Speaker 3: everyone knows. It's just sort of interesting the way the
Speaker 3: show slips it in.
Speaker 2: Just that time. You know, again, this is what early nineties,
Speaker 2: and it was I think a lot of men and
Speaker 2: women just were it was like their own self kind
Speaker 2: of like, don't tell her whatever, because it wasn't safe,
Speaker 2: especially in Hollywood actors. It was so it was like
Speaker 2: they're just gonna be themselves and if they meet someone,
Speaker 2: maybe they'll go somewhere else or they're not open with it,
Speaker 2: which is why it's so great now. So maybe that's
Speaker 2: in there here he is with this group of people,
Speaker 2: and he has a whole life of where he can
Speaker 2: tell it.
Speaker 3: Or not tell it, and right it was. It was
Speaker 3: just sort of the reaction to those lines like that.
Speaker 3: Rhonda was like, well, only to a point almost like
Speaker 3: it was like, we're gonna hint at this, but not really.
Speaker 2: And then I.
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, it was so annoyed, like that was
Speaker 3: annoying or whatever, and that was notable.
Speaker 1: I thought, Yeah, so far the character is sort of
Speaker 1: overtly sexless, like everybody else is having romances and things
Speaker 1: are heating up, and right, yeah, and I remember Doug
Speaker 1: talking about it and saying, you know, this character has
Speaker 1: to have a real life. Yeah, And I also loved
Speaker 1: in this we're coming up on it, but you got
Speaker 1: to see that part of Doug that so like intense
Speaker 1: and serious and earnest, and he's trying to get her
Speaker 1: to do this and take a stand. And that's how
Speaker 1: I remember him being such a man of principle, hilariously
Speaker 1: funny and also really principal. It was fun to seem.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, there's Doug.
Speaker 3: They decide that they want to go out for a
Speaker 3: bite to eat afterwards and continue their conversation. That's where
Speaker 3: Matt learns that Teresa and Ronda went to high school
Speaker 3: together and now that Teresa's making a living as a dancer.
Speaker 3: The audition to get her into this company was something
Speaker 3: that Ronda was supposed to do five years ago, but
Speaker 3: at the last minute, Ronda had broken her ankle and
Speaker 3: didn't end up making the audition. So that was news
Speaker 3: to Matt.
Speaker 2: So that really shows that Ronda has been hiding her
Speaker 2: own shames about this whole storyline about is she good
Speaker 2: enough and that whole I mean, the whole thing's about frenemies.
Speaker 2: We'll see as we go on. But for Matt, her
Speaker 2: best friend, to not know, he say, wait, what you audition?
Speaker 2: Wait what? I don't know. I just they made a
Speaker 2: point to that, yeah, in.
Speaker 3: There, and so we'll learn more about that. But then
Speaker 3: we were back to Jake and Allison's studying and they're
Speaker 3: having coffee and staying up late, and she's pushing him
Speaker 3: to keep going, and she says, the only way to
Speaker 3: cram is to cram, So let's keep going. So on
Speaker 3: the very.
Speaker 1: Heated studying, there's a lot of meaningful looks, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of head tilts. It's very yeah, very loaded study.
Speaker 3: And so back with Matt and Rnda and Teresa. Matt
Speaker 3: is encouraging Randa to go to the audition, and hey,
Speaker 3: there's this, you know, another opportunity to opening in the company.
Speaker 3: You should go. And you know, I think there's a
Speaker 3: reason that we, you know, had this dinner with Teresa.
Speaker 3: I think there's a reason she was put in in
Speaker 3: front of you, is is this fate you should try
Speaker 3: out for this new opening in the company. What have
Speaker 3: you got to lose?
Speaker 2: So we talk about how Doug channel Jimmy Stewart, can
Speaker 2: we just talk about how don't you believe in fate?
Speaker 2: And she's up on this thing, and he's just like,
Speaker 2: and I mean these were the early days in Melrose. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that ended in a few more episodes, but
Speaker 2: I just love all that good and he did it
Speaker 2: so beautifully. I just felt like, Wow, what happened to this?
Speaker 2: What show am I watching? This is the.
Speaker 3: Morows so earnest and so encouraging.
Speaker 2: Don't you believe in Faidon? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And we're off her considering what she just said. So
Speaker 3: then the next morning, Billy is in the court already
Speaker 3: comes knocking on Jane and Michael's apartment because he's worried
Speaker 3: that Alison didn't come home last night. So we learned
Speaker 3: that Alison didn't come home that night, and we know
Speaker 3: where she's been, but Billy doesn't know where she's been.
Speaker 1: People start gathering, and like people gathering.
Speaker 3: Everyone comes out of their apartments and they all one,
Speaker 3: and we're all gathering around Jade and Michaels and the
Speaker 3: speculation and then yeah, and then the speculation that she
Speaker 3: must have had one night stand and that you know,
Speaker 3: puts that seat in Billy's head. And then out she
Speaker 3: comes from Jake Store.
Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about you say very pressed with Allison that
Speaker 1: she just sort of goes basically, believe what you want,
Speaker 1: it's none of your I was like, oh, good for you,
Speaker 1: because she's such a good girl. You would think she
Speaker 1: would immediately say it's nothing. Is something. She does say
Speaker 1: it's not what you think, but in a very sort
Speaker 1: of light way that leaves it open for interpretation.
Speaker 3: And she does the walk of not shame back to
Speaker 3: her own apartment.
Speaker 1: Watch is.
Speaker 2: Just I helped him, honest test. But wait, I have
Speaker 2: a question for the audience. I lived in an apartment,
Speaker 2: as I said earlier with Darren, and I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: he got some of these stories. I'm trying to remember anyway,
Speaker 2: But that's the only time I lived in an apartment
Speaker 2: really when I was young like that, and it was
Speaker 2: a small one. I want to know of the audience,
Speaker 2: like how much do your neighbors become friends and get
Speaker 2: in your business? And I know over the years we've
Speaker 2: heard like, oh, we had a place like that, but
Speaker 2: for to come out and everyone's standing around having a
Speaker 2: discussion about should we call the police because one of
Speaker 2: us didn't come home last night? Yeah? Is that normal?
Speaker 2: Does anyone else?
Speaker 1: I want to imagine me all the time, all the
Speaker 1: time and say I lived in an apartment just like that.
Speaker 1: We were all friends, we all hung out, So I
Speaker 1: think it does happened. I didn't have that experience either,
Speaker 1: although I lived in an apartment and my boyfriend's best
Speaker 1: friend lived downstairs, so that had that sort of we
Speaker 1: really would if someone was having a barbecue, everybody showed up.
Speaker 1: It was minors, there were only it was a duplex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do think it happens, But.
Speaker 3: I don't think to the extent that we're talking about
Speaker 3: in the scene where everybody knew the precise moment to
Speaker 3: come out into the courtyard and get involved in this
Speaker 3: one conversation that happened to you exactly talking are we
Speaker 3: talking about Alison not coming up? Okay, let's all talk
Speaker 3: about it like they all came out precisely this moment
Speaker 3: to weigh in and say, you know, she probably I
Speaker 3: don't want to stand and you know whatever, and the
Speaker 3: speculation all right, and then it's like she confirms it
Speaker 3: when she comes out. But like that, I think obviously
Speaker 3: is a heightened sort of in our courtyard the.
Speaker 1: Middle every second of this, Laura.
Speaker 3: All these moments happened in the courtyard, Billy and Alice.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you guys were, but we.
Speaker 1: Were building already, okay, on Okay.
Speaker 2: So I just it's an interesting point of like you
Speaker 2: were just friends in the show. So at what point
Speaker 2: does he you know, I see him questioning like should
Speaker 2: I be?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: He's not just a friend. He really likes you. But
Speaker 2: is he getting too possessive? Is he expecting too much?
Speaker 2: Should he just let you be?
Speaker 1: It's a confused Well in the last episode that I
Speaker 1: watched that you guys haven't seen yet unless you're watching
Speaker 1: on Amazon, and which case, you just watched it. Oh right,
Speaker 1: we pretend to be boyfriend and girlfriend with his parents,
Speaker 1: so that the writers were definitely leaning towards this. I
Speaker 1: wondered watching it. I thought, I wondered if originally they
Speaker 1: had planned on Alison and Jake getting together, and then
Speaker 1: Andrew and I had such good chemistry. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: maybe this show was already written and then they pivoted
Speaker 1: because all of a sudden they were like, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: these two were going to get together.
Speaker 3: Maybe see I felt like it was this was the
Speaker 3: moment where we got to challenge what I thought the
Speaker 3: audience all wanted to see, which was Alison and Billy
Speaker 3: getting together. Right then, this is the moment that we
Speaker 3: put trouble in front of it, right, you have you
Speaker 3: have trouble because then Sandy, who has this you know,
Speaker 3: obvious like back and forth attraction and situation with Jake
Speaker 3: that's sort of like underlying everything they say to each other.
Speaker 3: It's an opportunity at the end of that scene for
Speaker 3: both Sandy. Sandy's exasperated with Jake, like great Jake, right,
Speaker 3: She's exasperated that he had Alison in his apartment all night,
Speaker 3: and Billy's obviously distraught while everybody else just thinks it's funny,
Speaker 3: like you know, Michael. Michael goes back in the apartment
Speaker 3: laughing about it, like, oh, look, they spent the night together.
Speaker 3: But that's where we as an audience get to see
Speaker 3: Billy frustrated because of that growing interest in Alison, and
Speaker 3: then Sandy being frustrated about Jake, which does resolve later
Speaker 3: in the episode. Is the two of them get their
Speaker 3: like explanations and they're like, whew, that's not what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Alison and Jake have such sweet chemistry. I
Speaker 1: was rooting for them. I was like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: even real like those are I can't believe that I
Speaker 1: forgot I was rooting for them. They were so sweet together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very cute.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Alison goes back to the apartment and she
Speaker 3: still won't explain to Billy she's not going to give
Speaker 3: up Jake's secret. She won't tell Billy about she's a
Speaker 3: fault Alison.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 3: She's keeping his secret. And oh, by the way, she
Speaker 3: needs to go get some sleep because she didn't get
Speaker 3: very much sleep last night.
Speaker 1: And this I think it was in this scene Billy
Speaker 1: and he goes but I tell you everything Billy does.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that was so sweet. But I
Speaker 1: tell you everything.
Speaker 2: I know. That's what I mean. It's a sweet, tough place.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of relationships start this way in
Speaker 2: real life, you know, where you're like, oh, you can't
Speaker 2: want to say too much, you're just friends, but you
Speaker 2: really want to know, and I do. I told you this,
Speaker 2: you tell me this. I want to know. Yeah, poor guy.
Speaker 3: So then we're back to Ronda. She shows up to
Speaker 3: work on the dancing with Teresa, and she says, I'm
Speaker 3: going to do this. I'm going to try to I'm
Speaker 3: going to try to audition for the company. I want
Speaker 3: to dance more funky. And Teresa tells Ronda she needs
Speaker 3: to clean up her lines, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: she's like sort of coaching her and helping her get
Speaker 3: ready for this competition. But it's clear that there is
Speaker 3: competition between the two of them, and it's a little
Speaker 3: bit feisty, a little bit friendly competition. I'm not so
Speaker 3: sure it's just like actual competition. Teresa's awfully superior, I thought,
Speaker 3: with the way she's talking to round about it. But
Speaker 3: there is where this montage of them, the two of
Speaker 3: them dancing and working on this together turned into a
Speaker 3: really elaborate montage is really amazing. Yeah, And I thought again,
Speaker 3: like the amount of time it took to get that
Speaker 3: right because the choreography, these girls had to rehearse that
Speaker 3: part off sites to get that ready and then shoot
Speaker 3: it and montage. I thought it was really elaborate and
Speaker 3: like like good production.
Speaker 1: Really well done.
Speaker 2: To the point of the character of Ronda, I think it's,
Speaker 2: you know, they're getting deeper with each here we are
Speaker 2: what six in and they're getting deeper with each one,
Speaker 2: and that's important because she is aerobics teacher or a funk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's an aerobics teacher, but she's.
Speaker 2: A dancer at heart. They've done that, so I loved
Speaker 2: how they spent the time on that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of that scene that Ronda says,
Speaker 3: you know, let's go out to eat and I want
Speaker 3: to have pasta, and Teresa sort of mentions looking down
Speaker 3: on her, like with three days before the audition, I
Speaker 3: don't I think you should reconsider that pasta making run
Speaker 3: to feel insecure, dancer, not cool. Back at Shooters, Billy
Speaker 3: goes to Shooters and he wants to commiserate with Sandy.
Speaker 3: So here again, I think it's an example of like
Speaker 3: these two that maybe have interest in Jake and Allison.
Speaker 3: They're sort of commiserating on.
Speaker 1: Like what and this is what. We haven't talked about
Speaker 1: this yet, but this is the episode where Sandy loses
Speaker 1: her accent absolutely, notice, which is a relief, I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: like it just you don't feel it anymore. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh that's nice, that's good.
Speaker 2: Yep. She'd initially had this girl from the Southern and
Speaker 2: then they just said it's not working, just lose it.
Speaker 1: It was distracting, right, I think without it, it's a.
Speaker 2: Lot and then everyone like just brushed it over it
Speaker 2: and that was Yeah, no one ever.
Speaker 1: Talked about it now. We never talked about it again.
Speaker 2: We just adnswer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if there had been social media at the time,
Speaker 1: it would have been discussed.
Speaker 3: Discuss right, But it was she seemed a lot more comfortable.
Speaker 3: The character just seemed a lot more comfortable. And yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was things were really smooth. Yeah. While they're at
Speaker 3: the bar commiserating about this and sort of speculating on
Speaker 3: whether these two would get together, they both have sort
Speaker 3: of different versions of how they think it might have
Speaker 3: happened and they go into dream secrets, but I just wanted.
Speaker 1: To It was one funny line that that Andrew shoes tired,
Speaker 1: she was spent. Oh that's very clear, Like yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: but then you're right, they both have fantasy.
Speaker 2: I love hers fantasy. Yeah no, I think it happened
Speaker 2: like this and then you guys acted out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. So in hers, Alison is clearly the aggressive,
Speaker 1: which is just watched fun to play as an actor
Speaker 1: that I got to do these different character black.
Speaker 2: Outfit and nine and a half weeks video. I was wondering,
Speaker 2: if you watch this with me, you nailed the girl.
Speaker 2: It was great. It was great to see Alison do this.
Speaker 3: But Billy's version, like Billy's versions, like know, and he's
Speaker 3: so like Sandy's trying to have her version like make
Speaker 3: excuses for why Jake might have like done that, you
Speaker 3: know what was all? She was so aggressive and like
Speaker 3: Billie's version, he's trying to emasculate. Well, it was just
Speaker 3: you know, it was super clunky, like like dream sequens.
Speaker 3: Well this happened, and then he's afraid of spiders, so
Speaker 3: then Alison goes to take care of the spider.
Speaker 2: Was so bizarre was off. That was fun.
Speaker 1: That was really funny.
Speaker 2: Smart writers to.
Speaker 3: Do that, you think so cute, super funny.
Speaker 1: We got to be a little more whimsical, yea before
Speaker 1: it got dramatically really fun.
Speaker 3: Dream sequence in almost every like in like four episodes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, but every series. Oh my god, they're
Speaker 1: making out again. Oh my god, they're making yeah, remember
Speaker 1: it at the time. So funny.
Speaker 3: So then back at Allison is at Jake's apartment and
Speaker 3: they're getting to know each other a little bit more,
Speaker 3: and Alison reveals to Jake that she got good grades
Speaker 3: but felt like she didn't really fit in in school.
Speaker 3: By the way, I thought she was wearing a very
Speaker 3: cute outfit, high waisted short Did you notice this I did?
Speaker 3: Super cute, like very current.
Speaker 1: Right now it's all bad again, Yeah, it's all back.
Speaker 3: And Jake reveals he was the opposite in high school.
Speaker 3: He you know, seemed cool, but he sort of like
Speaker 3: didn't care about stuff, and you know, now he sort
Speaker 3: of regrets living that way, and now he's for the
Speaker 3: first time feeling hopeful about his future.
Speaker 1: I liked the moment of Alison saying, I live so
Speaker 1: much in the future. I wasn't in the moment. I'm like,
Speaker 1: and there's your spiritual lesson from Melo's place for the day,
Speaker 1: live in the moment. Yeah, right, the present is a gift.
Speaker 3: But they do bond over the fact that neither one
Speaker 3: of them really know where they're headed. They don't, you know,
Speaker 3: both of them feel equally confused, although they have sort
Speaker 3: of different paths to get there.
Speaker 1: That's why it felt like breakfast Club to me, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like it looks so different and yet inside
Speaker 1: were just the same. I thought it was so cute.
Speaker 2: It was Melrose version. You know, you guys are about
Speaker 2: to make out and you're like in shorts and you're
Speaker 2: in one of your apartments, but his breakfast club.
Speaker 3: And there Allison broach the subject. She said, does it
Speaker 3: bother you? That everyone in the building thinks, you know,
Speaker 3: they're we're having a thing, And instead of answering the question,
Speaker 3: he turns it around and said does it bother you?
Speaker 3: And it looks like it doesn't bother either of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if they're saying it.
Speaker 3: Then we're back to Teresa and Ronda, where the sass
Speaker 3: is sort of escalating. She's telling Ronda not to eat
Speaker 3: the pasta and I thought that Teresa was a real
Speaker 3: SaaS monster here and they start they start having.
Speaker 2: I have a great metabolism, which she does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Teresa accuses Ronda of being bitter and jealous,
Speaker 3: and Ronda says, there's no way she's gonna let Teresa,
Speaker 3: you know, mess her up and psicher out. She's coming
Speaker 3: for that spot in the dance company. So Ronda's determined.
Speaker 3: Back with Billy and Alison in the apartment, Billy wants
Speaker 3: Alison to go to the beach with him and Alison says, sorry, can't.
Speaker 3: I got to spend the day with Jake. But she
Speaker 3: still won't tell him why. So this is where he
Speaker 3: gets really hurt and like, wait a minute, I tell
Speaker 3: you everything. Yeah, yeah, this is where he's feeling like
Speaker 3: maybe I'll maybe I'll stop, maybe I'll stop telling you
Speaker 3: everything if you don't tell me what's going on with you.
Speaker 3: But Alison is a vault. We go to the aerobic
Speaker 3: studio where Matt is again taking the aerobics class that
Speaker 3: Ronda is teaching, and today Ronda is teaching very aggressively.
Speaker 1: So Doug doesn't remember taking the class.
Speaker 3: Recollection, He was just shocked he's like, he's not a
Speaker 3: guy who enjoys dancing now, and he's like, gosh, for
Speaker 3: somebody who doesn't really dance, they had me dancing a
Speaker 3: lot and he has no reception.
Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah he really was. He's like, all right, that's
Speaker 1: what we're.
Speaker 3: Doing, but you had to learn a few steps to
Speaker 3: do that bunjie jumping.
Speaker 1: He's dancing. There's so much to do.
Speaker 3: Ronda sort of scolds him for not doing it right,
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, who's mad at everybody? Why?
Speaker 3: Why the tension? So they walk out after the class.
Speaker 3: Rnonda reveals she is nervous about the audition and Matt
Speaker 3: is worried about her stress level, and she says, I'm
Speaker 3: going back to the studio to rehearse even more good
Speaker 3: for her. So then we find Alison quizzing Jake on
Speaker 3: State capitols. They're at a bar during the studying. He
Speaker 3: gets all the answers right. He says he knows all
Speaker 3: this from his life experience. He's tired of studying, wants
Speaker 3: to go somewhere else and says, are you game?
Speaker 2: Should we go?
Speaker 3: She says yep, and off they go. Back at the studio.
Speaker 3: Matt comes to the studio late find Ronda still working
Speaker 3: late at night. He says he's worried about her. And he,
Speaker 3: by the way, is wearing his Birken socks and socks
Speaker 3: again and something he would never.
Speaker 1: Wear I remember, and he's not allowed to wear now.
Speaker 2: No, he's not allowed.
Speaker 3: He only even works totally back. Yeah, he's got sucks.
Speaker 3: And Ronda reveals then that the audition from five years ago,
Speaker 3: she didn't actually break her ankle.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the that's the reveal of.
Speaker 1: Her big reveal that she raising.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that she felt like the pressure was so intense
Speaker 3: and she just sort of made up the story about
Speaker 3: the broken angles so she wouldn't have to go through
Speaker 3: with it. She was afraid of failing.
Speaker 2: She even wore a bandone, she said, yeah, for weeks.
Speaker 3: And that her parents maybe never forgave her. And she
Speaker 3: feels like Teresa maybe is living the life she was
Speaker 3: meant to have, and so this audition feels really important
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you think back to about all the
Speaker 1: other scenes in the restaurant with Teresa when this is
Speaker 1: the truth, right and they're having these arguments based on
Speaker 1: this line. Wow, she was really behind that lie, like
Speaker 1: she really committed that lie for so long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she tells her truth to Matt and then
Speaker 3: we cut back to Alison, who's now on the back
Speaker 3: of Jake's.
Speaker 1: Motorcycle or motorcycle? Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Were you actually was it like
Speaker 3: green screen? Like, were you actually up there? It kind
Speaker 3: of looked a little bit like it might have been.
Speaker 1: I mean, Grant rode a motorcycle right, right.
Speaker 3: But what was it like? Because if the camera's parallel
Speaker 3: to you and you're going like, because.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it for me? How was that scenes up there
Speaker 2: on the motorcycle when I came on.
Speaker 1: You bought a motorcycle? Yeah?
Speaker 2: In real life, yes, But I also as Joe was
Speaker 2: on the back of his motorcycle up there. We went
Speaker 2: up to Moholland and rode around. You know, you just
Speaker 2: get another car you block off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so the camera is in a car driving
Speaker 3: parallel to you shooting.
Speaker 2: Out, yeah, or if there's one where you go buy yep.
Speaker 2: So you probably were, but but you don't remember. It
Speaker 2: was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: It sounds familiar, but I don't know if I'm remembering.
Speaker 1: Like when you hear a story a lot about when
Speaker 1: you were a kid, and I remember that though you
Speaker 1: were too, I don't. Yeah, so I don't watching it
Speaker 1: or now i've seen it, I remember what it looked like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Jake is taking her up to Moholland to see
Speaker 3: the view, which is where it gets very, very flirty.
Speaker 1: I was so surprised by this because I thought, like, okay,
Speaker 1: we've had this fantasy scene and that was it, the
Speaker 1: fantasy scene. And then as we're on this lookout having
Speaker 1: this very romantic suite flirty scene, the chemistry was amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, I what could possibly happen? Any memory
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you don't have a memory of the actual
Speaker 3: kiss up there. That's hysterical.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: He tells her we're not in high school anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they kiss and they're discussing how they are
Speaker 3: total opposites and like they never would have made sense
Speaker 3: in high school. And he says, we're not in high
Speaker 3: school and it leads to this lovely kiss and.
Speaker 1: I will yummy kiss too. That really that was yummy.
Speaker 1: That was Yes, I wish, I wish, I no, but
Speaker 1: I do know. I do know because he and I
Speaker 1: had scenes later like Allison and Jake dated later, so
Speaker 1: I did remember he was a really big taste. It
Speaker 1: must have been because I was dating Andrew. I must
Speaker 1: have like, I have to block this out. I cannot
Speaker 1: let myself. I couldn't say to Andrew it was yummy,
Speaker 1: not really. Yeah, so apparently I blocked it out, but
Speaker 1: I could see that it was nice.
Speaker 3: But speaking I mean in your defense, Like Doug was
Speaker 3: watching the show with me and he's like, what is happening.
Speaker 2: I know it didn't come out of noe. We didn't
Speaker 2: see it coming.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden it was like this lovely,
Speaker 3: real kiss, and he was like, what.
Speaker 1: Is honestly like, I'm half kidding, but honestly, so Andrew
Speaker 1: and I are dating, We're in a new relationship, and
Speaker 1: we're all friends. So then you say you have this
Speaker 1: friend group, and then your producer saying, now you have
Speaker 1: to make out with this other friend. I imagine it
Speaker 1: was quite a lot for us all the handle, so
Speaker 1: we all just blocked it out.
Speaker 3: I think it's yeah, I think it's trauma that you've
Speaker 3: all just blocked it out because nobody can remember any
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Because I had to keep saying to Andrew oh it
Speaker 1: was nothing. Oh it was nothing. Was it was a
Speaker 1: living hell. It was work, It was a living Helly
Speaker 1: come home?
Speaker 2: Where were you all day? Were you shooting with Grant again?
Speaker 3: It was all I tell you everything. This is the
Speaker 3: episode that it suddenly occurred to me we need to
Speaker 3: stop counting kisses within an episode. It's more about a
Speaker 3: tally like who kissed who? Like, this is the episode
Speaker 3: where that occurred to me, Like, wait a minute, our
Speaker 3: kiss count needs to be more about like who has kissed?
Speaker 3: Because like we're gonna just keep counting kisses every episode.
Speaker 1: In charge of counting our own we kissed because I've
Speaker 1: already had two.
Speaker 3: Well, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is camera, I'm kissing Andrews. So don't I don't
Speaker 1: know that it's happening.
Speaker 3: Our new kiss count is gonna be a chart and
Speaker 3: there's gonna be graphics. Yeah, it's gonna be like a
Speaker 3: pie chart.
Speaker 1: The PowerPoint PowerPoint. It's gonna get so long and yeah,
Speaker 1: later on you can't even keep up.
Speaker 3: So far to go we're really only on episode six, really, yeah,
Speaker 3: but already I do need to keep a tally, like
Speaker 3: I'll make a chart, I'll have it. Next week, So
Speaker 3: Alison and Billy in the morning. Alison tells Billy that
Speaker 3: the reason they were spending time together was because of
Speaker 3: the test. She reveals, now, okay, let me tell you
Speaker 3: the truth. I was helping Jake that the whole tree
Speaker 3: for the test.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you part of the truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Billy is visibly very relieved. So few my
Speaker 3: imagination was getting away with me and oh, you guys
Speaker 3: have nothing in common, to which Alison is saying, you
Speaker 3: know what, I got to know him and I like him,
Speaker 3: and you really have to be able to see behind
Speaker 3: beyond people's facades.
Speaker 1: And weren't you thinking at this point in the episode,
Speaker 1: because we know that it doesn't become something at this
Speaker 1: point in the show, were you thinking, how do we
Speaker 1: disentangle this?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's going to be tricky, is what you think.
Speaker 3: It's a little tricky because she is keeping the seat.
Speaker 3: She's not going to tell the part about the kiss,
Speaker 3: and Billy is obviously interested in Alison enough to be
Speaker 3: relieved that it was only studying for a test. Like
Speaker 3: so it is it does seem to be like an
Speaker 3: entanglement them here. Yeah, and then we also find that
Speaker 3: Sandy is sort of talking to Jake about the Alison things, saying, well,
Speaker 3: you know, you have nothing in common, but if you
Speaker 3: too are happy, you should go for you know, she's
Speaker 3: sort of testing him, and he says, no, the real
Speaker 3: reason we were hanging out is she was helping me
Speaker 3: study for a test. So he comes clean to her
Speaker 3: as well and resolving that relationship. Sandy is visibly relieved
Speaker 3: and says, you know, you could have come to me
Speaker 3: for help. I would have helped you. But he says, well,
Speaker 3: that would have been a distraction. So we're keeping that
Speaker 3: sort of possibility alive too. So it's getting very complicated.
Speaker 3: So then Ronda's audition. We're at the audition and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, for the first time, Matt is wearing
Speaker 3: his baseball hat correctly. Did anybody notice that?
Speaker 1: Big news.
Speaker 3: It's the first time we've seen Matt wearing is based
Speaker 3: forward forward.
Speaker 2: That's surprising because that wasn't allowed either because you can't
Speaker 2: even see the eyes right.
Speaker 3: But he was at the audition being her supportive best friend,
Speaker 3: and he did have his baseball hat on, and he
Speaker 3: says to her that he would miss her if she
Speaker 3: gets the job, but go get it. And at that point,
Speaker 3: Doug said he still does not remember a single of
Speaker 3: those scene. Still nothing so ron.
Speaker 1: And it looked very flash dance, right, so do we
Speaker 1: think so, she's obviously a good dancer, Vanessa, but they
Speaker 1: might I think they had a double, because otherwise why
Speaker 1: would they be why would she be backlit? Right, So
Speaker 1: we shoot a lot from the back, we can't see
Speaker 1: it's a great double. If it is a double, it
Speaker 1: looks like her, the really long limbs terrific.
Speaker 3: But I also I ended up not knowing for sure
Speaker 3: if it was a double, because Vanessa is a great dancer.
Speaker 2: And there was that shot on the ground where they
Speaker 2: shot the shadow and the spinning around. But I think
Speaker 2: obviously some of it was Vanessa.
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, the front is clearly Vanessa, but the back
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: Too, right, I mean, so they didn't flash dance too,
Speaker 1: didn't feel flash dancy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah for the front in the back. And the
Speaker 3: director of the dance company is, oh, this guest star
Speaker 3: Charles Randolph Wright. He he actually went on he's huge
Speaker 3: accomplished director, executive producer, choreography, choreographer, writer. He's like done
Speaker 3: mostly directing for the remainder of his career. Very accomplished director.
Speaker 2: So cool, Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3: And and so after the audition, Teresa follows Rnda out
Speaker 3: into the lobby and that's and tells her she's going
Speaker 3: to get a call back for sure. And we saw
Speaker 3: it on Teresa's face that she was like watching Ronda
Speaker 3: and feeling a combination, you know, like a lot of
Speaker 3: emotions like pride, also like sad. A lot of things
Speaker 3: were going through her face. I thought she was beautiful
Speaker 3: and that scene showing a lot of colors, yeah, about
Speaker 3: how she was feeling about that. And then she admits
Speaker 3: to Ronda that she had actually wanted to see Rnda fail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought she was her apology. I
Speaker 2: thought it was feeling threatened by Ronda. I think that's
Speaker 2: what that close up was. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, the truth.
Speaker 2: I've tried to hide it, she's tried to hide it.
Speaker 2: It is coming up, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: she's really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she tells her the truth and it's her
Speaker 3: apology saying, you know what I was. I wasn't a
Speaker 3: good friend. I wanted to see you fail. I was
Speaker 3: threatened by you. I always thought if you had audition
Speaker 3: five years ago, I never would have gotten this job,
Speaker 3: and so I was, you know, nervous that you were
Speaker 3: going to come in and take my job. But you
Speaker 3: know what, you deserve it. And that's when Ronda says,
Speaker 3: even if I get it, I'm not going to take
Speaker 3: it because I've realized I like my life and I
Speaker 3: don't even want to know if I get the job.
Speaker 3: And you know, that whole thing was resolved. They Ronda
Speaker 3: and Matt leave the dance studio before even finding out
Speaker 3: if she got the spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really sweet So you talk about
Speaker 1: freedom like I just needed to know I could do it.
Speaker 1: I don't need to have the reward.
Speaker 2: Yep, I just needed I did too.
Speaker 3: As Ronda and Matt were leaving their iconic glimpse of
Speaker 3: Doug's sides in his back pocket, See that.
Speaker 1: Sides are the little mini right, Yeah, the scripts we have.
Speaker 1: We have little mini scripts so we can keep our lines.
Speaker 3: Yes, they're folded very small, and you usually have them
Speaker 3: in your hand when you're just trying to you know,
Speaker 3: last minute, you know, follow along, know where you are
Speaker 3: whatever when you're rehearsing, but you forget you might leave
Speaker 3: them in your pocket for the audience.
Speaker 2: Are those days lines that you're given to us. And
Speaker 2: then the old days they were this regular size and
Speaker 2: the day your pages, all of them would be stapled together.
Speaker 2: And then I remember coming to some one day in
Speaker 2: some year, some show, and they were a quarter of
Speaker 2: the minis and they're minis, and they're like shrunk so little,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, and then I started just saying,
Speaker 2: can I have regular size? Please? Can I have grown
Speaker 2: up the glasses? I couldn't because when I needed glasses
Speaker 2: it was you know you sometimes you just want to
Speaker 2: pull them out from nder a prop that's in front
Speaker 2: of you and sneak you're lying, Oh okay. But when
Speaker 2: they were so shrunken into these minis, whoever invented those?
Speaker 2: I think too many directors and cameramen saw these all
Speaker 2: over the set, you know what I mean, like our
Speaker 2: little cheap seats.
Speaker 3: No, they're like, we got to make them smaller. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when you find these things lying, you know they're not
Speaker 3: supposed to be in the show and they're supposed to
Speaker 3: be hidden, and yeah, this was one of those fun
Speaker 3: caught a glimpse. And then we're back with Alison and Jake,
Speaker 3: where Alice talks to Jakes and says, you know last
Speaker 3: night that was that was really fun. But you know,
Speaker 3: that was just a that was just a kiss. We're
Speaker 3: just friends, We're just going to be friends. And it
Speaker 3: seemed to be like a mutual understanding that that's what
Speaker 3: it was. It was just all sort of like.
Speaker 1: Abruptly decided, yeah, now we're done, yeah, done, just that
Speaker 1: and a wee. And I was proud of them for
Speaker 1: having the conversation and not just moving awkwardly to say
Speaker 1: that was lovely, but let's let it stay there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that scene takes place, as we were saying earlier,
Speaker 2: on the sound stages at in Santa Clarita, outside the
Speaker 2: production offices. So probably when Jake was walking out, you know,
Speaker 2: some of our production was in there, and probably Andrew
Speaker 2: was using the facts to start doing something yeah political, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so right behind that door is like our
Speaker 2: whole you know, office staff, and then we we did that.
Speaker 2: All that became Jane's store.
Speaker 3: It was Jane's Fatigue. But also it was the aerobic studio.
Speaker 3: So every time Ronda had an aerobics class, they would
Speaker 3: clear our production offices out and they'd have to take
Speaker 3: the fax machine out and everything, and they would set
Speaker 3: dress to make it look like an aerobic studio.
Speaker 2: And also the hospital. You sed to remember some of
Speaker 2: the hospital outside right.
Speaker 3: Later, exterior, so outside the building they do like the
Speaker 3: parking lot and stuff like that. So we would utilize
Speaker 3: not just the sound stages that were there in Santa Clarita,
Speaker 3: but but they'd use the office, which is the front part.
Speaker 3: They would convert it into another set, and then the
Speaker 3: exteriors as well.
Speaker 2: Have to move some of the camera trucks sometimes to know.
Speaker 1: How many stages did we have at the end two
Speaker 1: I think I thought we had too too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was shot there.
Speaker 2: Before that, there was that what was that Jamie Lee
Speaker 2: Curtis Schwarzenegger movie. They shot that up there, I think? True, true,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: But we had it to ourselves for the most part.
Speaker 3: It was just like this isolated place up on the.
Speaker 2: Health Do you remember our security guard like this one.
Speaker 2: There was like a booth and a.
Speaker 3: Guy and it was just like it was so quiet
Speaker 3: and easy. We'd walk around in our slippers and our
Speaker 3: sort of yeah, our robes and it was just comfortable
Speaker 3: and it.
Speaker 2: Was our home.
Speaker 3: But then Allison says, come on, I'll buy you a beer,
Speaker 3: and that story is neatly wrapped up, and she takes
Speaker 3: him to Jake. She takes Jake to Shooters, where everybody
Speaker 3: in the gang is waiting to congratulate him on his graduation.
Speaker 3: They're wearing graduation caps and that was really cute, and
Speaker 3: he's surprised. Doug has his graduation cap on top of
Speaker 3: his baseball hat, which no, he cannot recall, but he
Speaker 3: did like the choice anyway. And that's where Sandy says
Speaker 3: to Alison, I just knew that you two couldn't be
Speaker 3: a thing. You know too much, not you're not alike enough.
Speaker 3: And Alison gets the best line, the punchline to her,
Speaker 3: just to taunt her. Yeah, but he's a really good kisser.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love how you use your delivery. Yep, just
Speaker 2: like like you just smacked her walk off.
Speaker 3: He's a really great here's some food.
Speaker 2: For the camera. She's like, what, yeah, come back.
Speaker 3: Here, but food for thoughts. So now Sandy knows that happened,
Speaker 3: or does she?
Speaker 2: I really do love how we all came back together.
Speaker 2: How you guys the everyone came together from the apartment
Speaker 2: to surprise him, and he didn't, you know, because again
Speaker 2: acknowledging what he kept a secret for so long and
Speaker 2: what was painful and shameful like was really celebration at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that really is like these first episodes were
Speaker 1: getting to know the characters each you go the little
Speaker 1: bit more, little bit breadcrumbs. And I also think it's
Speaker 1: so cute because you guys can think when we're all together,
Speaker 1: which is true because there it feels like because we're
Speaker 1: going so slowly, but really fourteen and nineteen, right, the
Speaker 1: episodes you guys come and then you're on for the
Speaker 1: rest of it, so it's only a few episodes without you,
Speaker 1: and it is a wee right, I don't it's strange
Speaker 1: to me that you guys aren't here. I keep saying
Speaker 1: we Yeah, when we were all together.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like this season because it was such
Speaker 3: a different tone, It feels like a whole different like
Speaker 3: segment of time that like the bulk of what we
Speaker 3: think about when we remember this time were those crazy
Speaker 3: years of seasons two, three, four, five, you know, those
Speaker 3: is what we talk about as we and this tonally
Speaker 3: is we're still in like stage one. You know, before
Speaker 3: it this show wasn't a hit.
Speaker 1: The show watching how it was sweet? Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: the show you guys were on was a hit. So
Speaker 1: the two two kind of separate shows, really.
Speaker 3: So and at this time, so episode six, they were
Speaker 3: almost halfway through their initial order, which was thirteen episodes
Speaker 3: were originally contract.
Speaker 1: Andrew, our businessman was coming every with all the what
Speaker 1: the ratings meant and what they I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't whatever. We're just here to do our work.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't he was paying very It wasn't great.
Speaker 3: At this point, we holding steady, it mediocre.
Speaker 1: We were after nine o two and oh, and we
Speaker 1: were not holding our own like there. I remember there
Speaker 1: was a drop off. Andrew might even remember, honestly, he
Speaker 1: paid such close attention to the numbers. There was sort
Speaker 1: of a drop off. And then you guys came out.
Speaker 1: Did Heather come on before you?
Speaker 3: Just after?
Speaker 1: Just after? Okay, that's when we'll get to that. But
Speaker 1: I remember we got new trailers. Either came on like,
Speaker 1: Heather can't be in these disgusting trailers. You guys have
Speaker 1: gotta love a girl while you're here for so many reasons.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Aaron called Heather his you know, lucky.
Speaker 3: His good luck charms, his good luck charm.
Speaker 1: Heather.
Speaker 2: I gotta get new, get those kids some new trailers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my good luck charms coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And she didn't ask I remember, she didn't ask
Speaker 1: for anything. It wasn't she didn't demand it. They just
Speaker 1: wanted to take care of her. And I think we
Speaker 1: had favorite nations with trailers, which means everybody gets the same.
Speaker 1: So you're like, thanks, everybody's lives got a little better
Speaker 1: when Heather showed up. Yeah, yes, do we have time
Speaker 1: to do a couple of We have some audience questions,
Speaker 1: and I would like to know, Daphne, how your relationship
Speaker 1: with Darren Starr changed after you started on the show.
Speaker 2: Uh. You know, I didn't see him very often because
Speaker 2: he was the writers were nowhere near us. They were
Speaker 2: here in l A and we were out in the
Speaker 2: sticks and in Santa Curita, which now is like just
Speaker 2: another neighborhood it seem like, but back then it was
Speaker 2: pretty far. But I do remember a couple of these lines.
Speaker 2: So I come in, like we said later this season,
Speaker 2: and I remember using the facts and sending him some
Speaker 2: edits I had in a in a scene or two
Speaker 2: and just going, oh, it's Darren, you know, like I'm
Speaker 2: sure he'll be fine, and I'm like so I wrote.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, but she repeats herself, and I
Speaker 3: think maybe.
Speaker 2: This might be better. This is what would I mean that?
Speaker 2: So I sent him some to make it more flowy,
Speaker 2: and I got back good editing from Darren. Don't again, No,
Speaker 2: we don't really do that here. And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: you're the boss, I'm the you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like it was so I had to. He was very
Speaker 2: sweet about it, and I got it, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: and I can't even imagine if eight or nine of
Speaker 2: us started like can we just and then shortly at
Speaker 2: some point in there, we were not too at all.
Speaker 2: If I had another thing, they would say. So that's
Speaker 2: that was just one thing. It I think it it.
Speaker 2: I think it grew. I mean, we stayed friends. It's
Speaker 2: just a clear thinking, Oh I got a buddy in
Speaker 2: the office. I'll just not a big deal. And I
Speaker 2: was like yeah, he said, yeah, that's not we don't
Speaker 2: really do that here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think because we were so far first
Speaker 1: of all, we ruined it for you because in the beginning,
Speaker 1: people were changing things left and right, and it's not
Speaker 1: like on a sitcom you call up the guys come
Speaker 1: down and you work through it, right. We were so
Speaker 1: much experience, so many secoms. We were so far apart
Speaker 1: that they felt like they were losing control and people
Speaker 1: were actually changing the meaning of lines, not just making
Speaker 1: it more comfortable. So they got really strict because it
Speaker 1: was like it had been taken advantage of. So that
Speaker 1: is a different thing that's on the firstcast.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that writers right there.
Speaker 1: The writers are right there, and they come down and they.
Speaker 2: Tried, like I've done a couple of guest stars on so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they come. They're there all the time. They're
Speaker 1: there every day. But you all so you don't really
Speaker 1: change it on your own. You wait till they come down.
Speaker 1: They come down every day, you do run through and
Speaker 1: then you say this isn't working. You all work together
Speaker 1: to fix it.
Speaker 2: And well they would there's a line, there's a script
Speaker 2: and they would say like try this phrase instead, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you'd work at it and they say, no, it
Speaker 2: doesn't work, go back or yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get to rehearse it every day. So they
Speaker 1: didn't have they didn't get to see us rehearse it.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes on a movie you'll have the writers there
Speaker 1: and you'll do it something won't work and then they'll
Speaker 1: fix it and do it right there. But they were
Speaker 1: so far away. Yeah, they couldn't have us doing your
Speaker 1: own couldn't have this doing our own thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, so here's another question. Somebody asked, and I'll just
Speaker 3: post to the group. If you could have played any
Speaker 3: other character, male or female, who would you want to play?
Speaker 1: I would play Grant because I like to be topless.
Speaker 3: No, I suspected as much. I suspected that would be
Speaker 3: your answer for all the times that you've showed up
Speaker 3: for this podcast topless.
Speaker 1: I bet we bring a shirt for Court and you
Speaker 1: put a shirt on.
Speaker 2: She want to show for six Pack?
Speaker 1: Well, I love Laura. I loved watching Sydney. But I
Speaker 1: thought all the time, that's so amazing. Thank god, I
Speaker 1: don't have to do it what I often thought you were.
Speaker 1: They put you through the ringer. You were willing and
Speaker 1: able to do the craziest thing. I was full of
Speaker 1: admiration and fear, healthy fear. I like to think I
Speaker 1: would have liked to play Sydney, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that I would have had the balls.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: She was definitely a fun character to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was just you were like, all right,
Speaker 1: it throws getting crazy at you and you were like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and you would do.
Speaker 3: It kind of didn't have a choice. You're like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was super.
Speaker 2: Funny, did all of that, totally committed to everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was such a chameleon. And all those outfits were
Speaker 2: on my side, seemed like over the top or like
Speaker 2: out of Mary Tyllamora Beret one minute, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And yet in your little outfits all matched,
Speaker 2: and yet you made it work because behind all that
Speaker 2: is crazy. I mean, there's a crazy girl back there,
Speaker 2: you know. And and but I never wanted to play Sydney.
Speaker 2: I loved playing Joe, to be honest. But there were
Speaker 2: times when I thought, oh, it would be like to
Speaker 2: be in D and D and play Amanda or something
Speaker 2: like that, you know, because Joe was she wasn't a bit,
Speaker 2: you know, when Amanda was like this crazy mean woman
Speaker 2: and you guys went at each other and stuff, and
Speaker 2: I never she wasn't like that, So it would be fun.
Speaker 1: I did. I thought that sometimes it'd be fun to
Speaker 1: play a bitch, and then I got to be drunk Allison,
Speaker 1: and drunk.
Speaker 3: Alison was probably a lot of fun too.
Speaker 1: Drunk Alison is super fun. That's one thing about I
Speaker 1: show like this that you think I want to be
Speaker 1: that character, and the next thing, you know, oh I
Speaker 1: am that character. Like we just to give you because
Speaker 1: it changed so much, but you had the most extreme
Speaker 1: swings from week to week, and somehow you made it work.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of people ask me like, would
Speaker 3: I have liked to play another character? And the truth
Speaker 3: is I loved playing Sydney. Like I thought it was
Speaker 3: so fun, you know, and I as the character and
Speaker 3: she's not there yet, she's not where we're on the recap,
Speaker 3: We're not there yet. But as she arrived and then evolved,
Speaker 3: she really grew into this character that would morph into
Speaker 3: whatever was going on, you know. And I liked there
Speaker 3: were times when we felt like Sidney was kind of
Speaker 3: doing her own show, you know, Like Sidney was allowed
Speaker 3: to wear hats, Sydney was allowed to do crazy stuff
Speaker 3: that none of the other characters were. It was somehow
Speaker 3: okay for Sydney to do it and not for the
Speaker 3: other characters, right, So it felt like I was on
Speaker 3: my own little comedy planet, like I was, like, I
Speaker 3: get to kind of find the funny in this where
Speaker 3: everybody else is just a little bit more earnest and
Speaker 3: straight and and I just I felt really lucky about that.
Speaker 3: And I really enjoyed that and appreciated that. I felt
Speaker 3: like she had kind of a lot of leeway wow
Speaker 3: with the character, and I got to play around and
Speaker 3: it just felt really fun. So I really appreciated that
Speaker 3: that was the character I got to play.
Speaker 1: You could see that you were having fun. That's part
Speaker 1: of what made the character so much. It was a
Speaker 1: blessed Yeah, I really made that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure I'll be mortified when we get to
Speaker 3: you know, like there'll be a million ways that I'll
Speaker 3: be mortified for my acting and the character at the beginning,
Speaker 3: like I was, you know, as a brand new actress
Speaker 3: and still figuring it out. So I'm sure i'll be mortified.
Speaker 1: But I see things that obviously there aren't moments. There
Speaker 1: are moments aren't great. But I have so much compassion
Speaker 1: for myself. I was so young, yeah, right, like it
Speaker 1: was thirty years ago. She just gonna go, oh, sweetie,
Speaker 1: you could have made a better you were the younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, but you don't. Also, I've watched some
Speaker 2: of that recently over the last few years. And you know,
Speaker 2: you start out this what you're saying is comedy, comedic
Speaker 2: relief maybe, but you have some serious stuff later, Laura,
Speaker 2: and you've knocked it out of the park. I was like,
Speaker 2: how is she going to handle you know, whether it's
Speaker 2: the call girls stuff, for all of this horrible stuff
Speaker 2: that happened to you. And I'm like, that's where you were, Ernest,
Speaker 2: that's where your real stuff showed through. And that's a
Speaker 2: great talent to be able to do both. Thank you,
Speaker 2: so thank you. I it was fun. And one more
Speaker 2: question more, how much say do we have over our
Speaker 2: character style, hair, makeup, and clothes. Let's start with Laura
Speaker 2: because we were talking about help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's part of what Sidney I think, had
Speaker 3: a unique position, Like she got the character, got to
Speaker 3: do some crazy things and so we were able to
Speaker 3: push some boundaries with that. And definitely in the like
Speaker 3: I would say, the third and then the fourth season,
Speaker 3: we were given a lot of leeway to play around,
Speaker 3: and I was super grateful for that. It would be
Speaker 3: a collaborative thing with wardrobe and hair and makeup, like
Speaker 3: oh this, you know, for a while Sidney's going to
Speaker 3: be a secretary, so she adopted this like sort of
Speaker 3: like fifties and sixties vibe, and like the flip and
Speaker 3: the hair style and so like, those were really fun
Speaker 3: things to play around with, but it was particular to
Speaker 3: that character. I don't think that that we had the
Speaker 3: same you know, boundaries that other characters probably had, But
Speaker 3: just by virtue of it being Sidney, we got to
Speaker 3: have a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 2: Did you have say on yours?
Speaker 1: Especially when Denise Wingate came on. She really wanted us
Speaker 1: to be comfortable. But I remember one time she said, okay,
Speaker 1: we just got a note shorter, brighter, tighter on Alison,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh dear, But I was self
Speaker 1: conscious that my body had very big breasts and I
Speaker 1: really felt but she really was careful about like making
Speaker 1: me feel comfortable. We'll get these shows. And I wish
Speaker 1: someone had said, don't wear such big shirts right like
Speaker 1: in the early episodes, I'm like, get something fitted, but
Speaker 1: I was. I was uncomfortable. I felt self conscious, So
Speaker 1: she was very careful to make sure it was comfortable
Speaker 1: and try to walk the line like they want this,
Speaker 1: they want the skirts this short, but I wanted them longer,
Speaker 1: so she would find something in the middle that would
Speaker 1: work for everybody. But she always chose my comfort over
Speaker 1: their dands, right, So if I had a bathing suit scene,
Speaker 1: she would let me wear shorts over my bathing suit
Speaker 1: or whatever it was that would make us feel more comfortable.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm right, So it felt like a compromise, like
Speaker 1: they had. Very She'd tell me what the note was
Speaker 1: and say, this is where they want us to so
Speaker 1: what can we do to give them some of what
Speaker 1: they want but make you comfortable?
Speaker 2: So very amazing, isn't it for a wardrobe person. Denise
Speaker 2: Wingate who went on to do huge movies. She and
Speaker 2: I were hired the same time and we both were
Speaker 2: like went into Aaron Spellings, and as I've said before,
Speaker 2: we kind of missed the mark the first scene the
Speaker 2: first day on set. They she had an idea and
Speaker 2: they just wanted it totally the opposite. So I went
Speaker 2: from psych some kind of a little bit of a
Speaker 2: sophisticated New York outfit because it was sort of like
Speaker 2: Upper east Side, you know, probably my husband was of
Speaker 2: a New York family. And then they're like no, and
Speaker 2: I ended up in jeans and black and went the
Speaker 2: other way. But but she was. She was totally collaborative,
Speaker 2: So I would have to say I did have I
Speaker 2: was more comfortable to your point in kind of like
Speaker 2: those I don't know what they are, like they're more
Speaker 2: draw string with patterns and funky, you know, my vests
Speaker 2: and things like that. And the jewelry was more funky
Speaker 2: than just straight kind of tough punk New York. So
Speaker 2: she was really into that too. But I got to say,
Speaker 2: I gotta say, but it wasn't. I didn't create it.
Speaker 2: You know, she had the vision and I It's one
Speaker 2: of the things I love about a good wardrobe person.
Speaker 2: You come in, they give you all these choices and
Speaker 2: you're like, I love that.
Speaker 3: Well, it's really intimate too. It's really personal, intimate because
Speaker 3: you have to be comfortable in it and you're you know,
Speaker 3: and also like your hair and your makeup person, Yeah,
Speaker 3: those are really you're like they're up close and personal
Speaker 3: and working on you know, you get I got really
Speaker 3: close to makeup and hair people, and especially you know,
Speaker 3: Lona Jefferson was our makeup artist Org. You know, like
Speaker 3: you just get really close to those people because you're
Speaker 3: you're trusting them and they're they're so thoughtful for you
Speaker 3: and how they Yeah, go to the pros.
Speaker 2: They were doing this since the seventies probably. I think
Speaker 2: Greg tired not shortly after, but he used to ride
Speaker 2: a bike cycle a bike, not a bicycle, a BMW motorcycle.
Speaker 2: But they were I felt in such good hands with them.
Speaker 3: They're just really intimate relationships for actors like those are
Speaker 3: the people that really care for you so closely.
Speaker 1: And we felt very cared for and people were as
Speaker 1: the show started to take off, people were watching our
Speaker 1: hair and our clothes makeup, so it was it felt
Speaker 1: important because people were talking about it, so you really want.
Speaker 2: And we were, and Lona and Greg were getting all
Speaker 2: this product, don't you remember, like all this stuff would
Speaker 2: come in and no, I'm trying this.
Speaker 1: New days of free stuff. I miss all the.
Speaker 2: Free so yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: It's been so fun to read fans comments and questions,
Speaker 3: and we're getting people asking questions and leaving their thoughts
Speaker 3: on our Instagram and all our socials. We love that.
Speaker 3: We just started a Facebook account, so that's another way
Speaker 3: that and it's still the place, still the place Facebook, Instagram.
Speaker 2: Follow us on Instagram. The two of us Laura Layton
Speaker 2: and Daphnie Sniga and still the Place, Still the Place,
Speaker 2: and then hashtag Courtney Thorne Smith.
Speaker 3: We have another episode that Courtney is already going to
Speaker 3: jump on, but we'll have another Opticells and more guests
Speaker 3: to come. Yeah, I can't wait to see you next week.