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Speaker 1: And welcome into a special crossover episode of Tiger Territory

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Speaker 1: and Crushed Dave in Hagen with me as always and

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Speaker 1: joining us Chandler underscore Rome for the Athletic and of

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Speaker 1: course is the host of crut City here on Ballot Territory.

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Speaker 1: What's up, guys, how are we doing?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Karen? How are you? And Cody? I guess how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good. We are getting ready for the Tigers

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Speaker 4: to play the Astros, which if you're listening to this,

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Speaker 4: I assume you already know, but a lot of connections.

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Speaker 4: So we're about to break it down.

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Speaker 3: Have the Tigers and the Astros played recently?

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Speaker 4: Has that been a I think there was a playoff series.

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Speaker 4: I think Tiger's president of Baseball Operations went out of

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Speaker 4: his way to mention it when they didn't get Alex

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Speaker 4: Bregman that they just beat a team that had Alex Bregman,

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Speaker 4: not that they were salty at all.

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Speaker 1: That's a good callback, Cody, because when when Scott said that,

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Speaker 1: I was like, it was kind of like like Scott Harris,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the Crush City listeners, president of Baseball

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Speaker 1: Operations for the Tigers, like goes out of his way

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Speaker 1: to just like not show personality, and that was clearly

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Speaker 1: him like kind of putting a little bit of like

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Speaker 1: the competitive cap on and so long time listeners and

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Speaker 1: viewers of Scott Harris press conferences. God bless all of

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Speaker 1: you that do that. Uh where I think it kind

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Speaker 1: of stood out a little bit. It was like like

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Speaker 1: going against the company line, and it was rather petty,

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Speaker 1: if we're being honest. So that's how that's so so Chandler,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should just start right there. That's how the

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Speaker 1: Tigers reacted to, you know, losing out on the Bregman sweepstakes.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the timeline was a lot different for the Astros,

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Speaker 1: But how did the organization handle handle that aspect of

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Speaker 1: the off season.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean they've been through it so many times before, right.

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Speaker 3: They let Carlos Correa walk, they let George Springer walk,

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Speaker 3: they let get Cole walk, they let all the old

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Speaker 3: Cole wasn't homegrown, but they let all these homegrown superstars walk.

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Speaker 3: And I think anyone with a brain went into last

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Speaker 3: offseason like understanding that the Ashers weren't going to bring

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Speaker 3: Alex Bregman back. It would have taken something that this

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Speaker 3: that Jim Crane and the owner just just doesn't do

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Speaker 3: it would have taken the sort of contract, the sort

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Speaker 3: of massive average annual value that he has been reluctant

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Speaker 3: to give. The weird thing is the contract Bregman ended

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Speaker 3: up getting is more suitable and more amenable to things

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Speaker 3: that the Ashers have done. Like they are they are

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Speaker 3: okay with doing the short term, big AAV deals. But

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Speaker 3: you know, Jim Crane even said this on an opening day,

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Speaker 3: like they never changed their offer. They offered him six

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Speaker 3: years for one hundred and fifty six million dollars at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of the off season and they never budged.

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Speaker 3: And to me, that's kind of confounding, just given especially

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Speaker 3: when if Scott Morris made it known that like Alex

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure why they didn't, you know, all their offer.

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Speaker 3: But then again, like at that point when Bregman signed,

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Speaker 3: they had Christian Walker on the roster, they had Esock

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Speaker 3: wasn't a fit for him, that Alex Bregman's a guy

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Speaker 3: that you make a fit for. They would have made

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Speaker 3: Esock paradisul Play second, which would have been a hilarious disaster.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, there wasn't a ton of like shock.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't a ton of like petty like oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: I can't like they've they've just been through this so

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Speaker 3: many times that I think they were just going all right,

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Speaker 3: like who's next, Like next, next man up, let's do

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Speaker 1: You think he's gonna opt out? Cody and I have

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Speaker 1: debated this.

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Speaker 3: You think, I mean that sort of contract, like it

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Speaker 3: kind of conditions itself to opting out. I think I honestly,

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Speaker 3: I think he may sign an extension with the Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: Like obviously, I don't think it happened. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it happens in season, but like I think he really

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Speaker 3: You look at the ballpark. I mean I've already the

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Speaker 4: Chandler, he said the bar wasn't a factor in his decision.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, sure, yeah, but I think I mean

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Speaker 3: he's he'd be if he keeps this up. I mean

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Speaker 4: Oddly enough, the Tigers aren't missing Alex Bregman that much

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Speaker 4: right now. Now he's hitting three nineteen with five home runs.

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Speaker 4: He'd still look pretty nice in this lineup. He'd probably

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Speaker 4: to use the the S word that's popular, not popular

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Speaker 4: why would you want to commit six years in one

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Speaker 3: But we can talk about bregman OLLI Well, but is

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Speaker 3: of it. So since he brought it up for our

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Speaker 3: Tigers listener, just how does Jose Ltve look in the outfield?

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Speaker 3: So he looks fine. I mean, he's not going to

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Speaker 3: Like they're well aware that he's going to get very

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Speaker 3: set up the the inning that won the Tigers at

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Speaker 3: They've been thinking about doing this for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: What about his attitude about it.

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Speaker 3: This is as energized as I've ever seen spring training.

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Speaker 3: like I mean, I don't know if Miguel Cabrerac thought

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Speaker 3: and like it becomes monotonous, it becomes like it's devoid

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Speaker 3: do definitely re energy. He's all in on this and

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Speaker 3: he loves me.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask Cody the Javier Bayaz aspect of this. After

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Speaker 4: Work, Yeah, blatch me, Spinga and RBIs.

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Speaker 3: I'm just glad they have the ports root road for

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Speaker 3: the Tigers.

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Speaker 5: On fan duel.

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Speaker 3: Sports that work the Tiger's gags on Tiger's gag then the.

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Speaker 1: Stream so crush any people. That's our life right now.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a glorious tune that we got and uh,

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Speaker 1: it will be in your head now like it's been

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about the differences between the last

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Speaker 4: All right, I just pulled up, hold on, I just

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Speaker 4: pulled up Eastside Paratus spray Shart from twenty twenty and

451
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. Sometimes you wonder, like, did the Tigers

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Speaker 4: give up on him a little too soon? I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously the trade for Meadows kind of made sense. I

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Speaker 4: think a different timeline if the front office wasn't under pressure,

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Speaker 4: if Alavila wasn't under pressure to keep his job, they

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Speaker 4: probably don't make that move. But that's the circumstance it was. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: he had two home runs and like one hundred and

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Speaker 4: thirty nine plate appearances. You just put at the overlay

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Speaker 4: on on Dyke in Park and he would have had

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Speaker 4: like seven. So everything maybe could have been different if

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Speaker 4: you weren't playing in America. But remember there, does he

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Speaker 4: just have warning trek power? Like is he's just not

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Speaker 4: strong enough?

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Speaker 3: He's not the right ballpark. Alex Preignan los pregnant, Alex

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Speaker 3: Bregman agrees, Alex Bregmant loves Comerica.

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Speaker 1: Park, thinks himself playing there. You know, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I think it's super great.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we were talking about like what we

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Speaker 1: were going to talk about on this episode prior to

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Speaker 1: you know, pressing record, and Chandler said, well, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the team's difference. And I immediately had an anecdote

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Speaker 1: from when I was at the Wildcard Series last year

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Speaker 1: and and it'll be quick a couple of minutes, but

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Speaker 1: I was in the concess not the concession, the gift shop,

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Speaker 1: trying to get some souvenirs ones behind me that hat

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Speaker 1: right there for the Wildcard Series. And there's this kid.

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Speaker 1: Se mind, these are day games. This guy is missing school.

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Speaker 1: This kid comes up to me, he's probably like twelve

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Speaker 1: years old, and he's like, you know you're gonna lose, right.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm obviously not going to like get

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Speaker 1: like a smack Todd, you know, staying with like a

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Speaker 1: twelve year old. But like I was like, oh yeah

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Speaker 1: you think. So He's like, yeah, all you guys got

484
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Speaker 1: his school bowl he went yesterday, so you got nothing.

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Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, you know, we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens, you know that confidence. Oh yeah, very Comford's like, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. And you know went on my

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Speaker 1: merry way. Well, the difference is that kid cannot say

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Speaker 1: that now because the Tiger's starting real rotation, like the

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Speaker 1: whole pitching chaos thing is not a thing right now.

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Speaker 1: The Tigers starting rotation leaves the American League in era

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Speaker 1: with a cool two point eight to nine. So the

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Speaker 1: difference is that the Astros are not gonna see one

494
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Speaker 1: Terek Schooble, But there is no reprieve in the Tigers

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Speaker 1: starting rotation as currently constructed with with Flarity and job

496
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Speaker 1: and Myze and Resulson like that, you're up against every

497
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Speaker 1: single time you come against the Cup against the Tigers,

498
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Speaker 1: Whereas last year you just kind of, you know, the

499
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Speaker 1: chaos thing was something you had to deal with. Now

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Speaker 1: you gotta deal with like a top notch rotation, one

501
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Speaker 1: of the best in baseball, if not the best.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tigers are the only team right now with four

503
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Speaker 4: starters with sub three eras. The Astros are gonna dodge

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Speaker 4: Schooball who pitched Sunday and was pretty dominant, but they'll

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Speaker 4: see Jack Flaherty, they'll see Resulson, And if you're an

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Speaker 4: Astros fan, I think it's gonna be fun to watch

507
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Speaker 4: Jackson Job. Whether you win or lose, Job's got some

508
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 4: pretty electric stuff. One of those guys just worth buying

509
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Speaker 4: take to go watch, I think.

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Speaker 3: And the lineup that they face has the fifth lowest

511
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Speaker 3: OPS in baseball. If there's one thing that is just

512
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: frustrating the ever living hell out of Astros fans and

513
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 3: said that they can't hit right now there, it's it's

514
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: been a tough watch for their life. And the interesting

515
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Speaker 3: thing is via bats look so much better like everything

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Speaker 3: we just talked about about, how they chased too much

517
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Speaker 3: last year, they swung too much, they they didn't see

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Speaker 3: a lot of pitches like they have improved in all

519
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Speaker 3: of those areas, Like if you watch them, like if

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Speaker 3: you watch them day in and day out, they're at

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Speaker 3: bats are a lot better. They're just not getting results

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Speaker 3: or not getting any production. They entered today as one

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Speaker 3: of three teams without twenty home runs and hit already.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Alvarez did hit a home run today to give

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Speaker 3: them twenty in their twenty seventh game of the year.

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Speaker 3: They Christian Walker, as we just talked about, has not

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Speaker 3: been good. Yianer Diaz has a four ninety nine OPS

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Speaker 3: at the moment. That is not a typos Jordon Alvarez

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Speaker 3: has been. It's been a slow start for him, but

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Speaker 3: part of that is because he's had Christian Walker and

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Speaker 3: Yinor Diaz hitting behind him most of the time, and

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Speaker 3: no one's gonna give Jordon Alvarez any pitches to hit

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Speaker 3: with those two guys scuffling behind him. So it's it's one.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be one of these things where like they

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Speaker 3: are running up the Tigers are running up against the

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Speaker 3: lineup you want to run up against, because right now

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Speaker 3: they are all out of sorts. It's been tough to watch.

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Speaker 3: But the thing that they do do they put the

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Speaker 3: ball in play. They're not going to strike out a bunch,

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Speaker 3: and they are running the bases a lot more aggressively now.

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Speaker 3: Part of it is because I think they understand that

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Speaker 3: runs are more difficult to come by. So you're seeing

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Speaker 3: a lot more first to thirds, you're seeing a lot more,

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Speaker 3: you know, second to home on singles, you're seeing a

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Speaker 3: lot more just kind of pushing the envelope just to

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Speaker 3: create runs because right now they're not hitting the battle

547
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Speaker 3: of the ballpark, they're not hitting doubles, they're not slugging.

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Speaker 3: This is a tough matchup for the Astros, because this

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00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 3: is if one thing has held them back all year,

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Speaker 3: it's been this line.

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Speaker 1: Still scouring a plus eleven run differential, which you know

552
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Speaker 1: is there's not as many teams in the American League

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Speaker 1: that are in the green there as you would think.

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Speaker 1: The Tigers currently are plus forty two with their eighteen

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Speaker 1: and ten record, But like they're you know, the Astros

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Speaker 1: are you get the most up to date, they are

557
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: a half game back of the Rangers, who are by

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Speaker 1: the way lost in a crazy way today in case

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Speaker 1: anybody didn't see that, or minus fifteen run differential, So

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Speaker 1: like they gotta be doing something right. Chandler. They they're

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Speaker 1: like the old Manufacturer. We've heard this stuff a lot,

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Speaker 1: Cody and I over the years. The whole manufacturer runs

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Speaker 1: thing and runs are out of premium. The Tigers are

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Speaker 1: still doing all those things. It just they they hit

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Speaker 1: the ball better too. But like they must be doing

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Speaker 1: something right with the record that and where they're sitting

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Speaker 1: and run differential was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they have an outlier game and they beat

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Speaker 3: the Angels fourteen to three in a game earlier this

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Speaker 3: so that that's the outlier game that they have they

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Speaker 3: The thing is they're pitching it so well that they're

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Speaker 3: never going to get blown out. They're there's not going

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Speaker 3: to be a boat race game that they are the

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Speaker 3: losers of because they have the fourth lowest era in

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Speaker 3: baseball right now. They're starting pitching has been very, very good.

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Speaker 3: Their bullpen, Josh Hater has been maybe the best reliever

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Speaker 3: in baseball, if not the best, the second best. They're

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Speaker 3: pitching it so well that they're staying in all these

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Speaker 3: close games. It's just they're not scoring a ton of

580
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Speaker 3: runs and they're not giving a ton of support. I

581
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Speaker 3: am sad that the Tigers are going to miss both

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Speaker 3: from er Valdez and Hunter Brown. I can't extract another

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Speaker 3: Hunter Brown Detroit story. I've already done that four different

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Speaker 3: times of him pitching it either against the Tigers at

585
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Speaker 3: America Park something like that. But I don't know if

586
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: Detroit people know this, but Hunter Brown is like low key,

587
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Speaker 3: like the best pitcher in baseball.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about Hunter Brown because again, like we like,

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Speaker 1: this is not something even Cody and I bring up

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Speaker 1: just like as.

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Speaker 4: A I think, is he still spinning his off seasons

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Speaker 4: in Detroit?

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Speaker 3: He is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's he He's zero current members of the

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Speaker 4: Detroit Tigers do that. The best player who spends their

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Speaker 4: offseason in Detroit is a member of the Houston as.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he spends his off seasons in Detroit because he

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00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: trains at two sp in downtown Detroit, where I think

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00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, ballplayers trained, But like he

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00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: and his trainer have this great partnership that they didn't

602
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: want to break. But yeah, he is. He has completely

603
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: revolutionized his career. He actually pitched at coaufmin Stadium today

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Speaker 3: and it was there last year in April where he

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Speaker 3: gave up nine hits and nine runs and eleven hits

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Speaker 3: and two thirds of an inning last year at Kaufman

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Speaker 3: Sam It's, if not the worst start in Major League

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Speaker 3: Baseball history, it's top five. The Astros were like, had

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Speaker 3: plans to demote him to the minor leagues like the

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Speaker 3: next week, and I think there was an injury or something,

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Speaker 3: so he stayed on the roster, made another start, and

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Speaker 3: then on May fifth, he started throwing a sinker. The

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00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: sinker is not a very good pitch, but it was

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Speaker 3: something he needed to in on right handed hitters to

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Speaker 3: stop right handed hitters from diving out and getting everything

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Speaker 3: over the over the plate. And since he's added that

617
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Speaker 3: sinker on May fifth, he has the lowest ERA of

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Speaker 3: any starting pitcher in baseball. And that's lower than Terrek Schooble,

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Speaker 3: It's lower than Max Freed, it's lower than Chrissale. Like

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Speaker 3: he has now put together two hundred innings worth of

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Speaker 3: league leading ERA ball. And to watch him blossom, to

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Speaker 3: watch the confidence grow has been has been something he's throwing.

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Speaker 3: He is sitting ninety seven now and throwing ninety nine

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Speaker 3: like with regularity, Like he threw his change up, like

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Speaker 3: he barely throws his change up. There's change up like

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Speaker 3: fifteen times saying got five strikeouts on it. The sinker

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Speaker 3: has gotten better. The sinker is now magically ninety seven

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Speaker 3: like he is. He is becoming like appointment television, like

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Speaker 3: you like you figure out on the schedule. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of like Scooble, like you figure out on the schedule

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Speaker 3: when School's pitching or Whin Brown's pitching, and you set

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Speaker 3: aside kind of your day because you want to watch

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Speaker 3: them pitch. He is. He's been incredible. It's been really

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00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: cool to watch him because I mean, I've covered him

635
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: from day one, So it's cool. It's been cool to

636
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: watch him kind of blossom and become what he's become.

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Speaker 3: He went in He was a fifth round pick in

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen out of Wayne State, and I was just curious, like,

639
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: did the Tigers like pass on him? Did the Tigers

640
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: like did that draft like not work out for the Tigers?

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Speaker 3: Could they have gotten Hunter Brown at some point? I mean,

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00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it now. They drafted Riley Green, Ryan Kreidler,

643
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Speaker 3: and Bo Briskey in that draft and Carry Carpenter, So

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Speaker 3: they did something right in that draft, but Hunter Brown

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Speaker 3: was there.

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Speaker 4: If they were, those were different times, Chandler.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it took the Astro as a

648
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: team that was usually very good at drafting. I mean,

649
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: he slipped to the fifth round and the scout that

650
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: actually found him his signing scout, Hunter Brown was his

651
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: first draft pick ever signed and the only reason he

652
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: found him is he was at a D two tournament

653
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: where Wayne State was. He was leaving the tournament and

654
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: overheard some veteran scouts mentioned Hunter Brown's name and say, oh, like,

655
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: I've heard this kid's pretty good. So he decided to

656
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: stick around. Saw Hunter Brown and the rest as they say,

657
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: is history.

658
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: Game is full of stories like that. You know, school

659
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: has got a couple examples of you know, the high

660
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: school to college recruitment stories that he told this on

661
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: on our episode. You can go listen to that or

662
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: watch it on YouTube on our fee when Tik Schooble

663
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: joined us this offseason. Uh, we've kind of done a

664
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: disservice here, guys. This really is the AJ Hinch episode

665
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: and we barely mentioned him, like like and we know

666
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: what's up, AJ, friend of the podcast, but like he

667
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: is obviously explicitly tied to both franchises currently in past.

668
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: But I was curious Chandler leaning into this series. This

669
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: is a first because we've all we've done all the

670
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: the AJ returns to Houston, how you know, like all

671
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: those stories have been written, but the angle that has

672
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: not been written because it doesn't exist until now is

673
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: now AJ's coming into town with a indisputably better baseball team. Like,

674
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: I know they won the playoff series last year, but

675
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: going in that anecdote that I just shared, no one

676
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: really thought the Tigers were the better baseball team. And

677
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: now Houston's going through their stuff again. Still good, but

678
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: the Tigers are hot. They just come off a ten

679
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: and two home stand. Like Cody said earlier, they have

680
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: the best record in the American League. And so now

681
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm a little curious. I'm a little curious if it's

682
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: gonna be as friendly for AG now that he's like

683
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: a legitimate threat. Because the analogy I'll draw here is

684
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: everybody still loved Matthew Stafford in Detroit, like the first

685
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: time they played. Now it wasn't in Detroit, was in LA.

686
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: Everybody rooted from the super Bowl. The second the Lions

687
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: got good and there were stakes, all of a sudden,

688
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, f that guy, Like he's

689
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: actually the enemy. So not in apples to apples comparison,

690
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: but at the same time, this is a unique thing

691
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: in the post signs stealing scandal, whatever you want to

692
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: call it, aspect of AJ Hinch's career going back to Houston.

693
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: I think it'd be different if AJ like left on

694
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: his own accord, or if AJ like decided like for

695
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: whatever reason, like hey, like, I'd like to manage Tigers

696
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: over the Astros, Like I want to make this conscious

697
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: decision to leave this budding dynasty.

698
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: And it was not a conscious decision and go.

699
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Manage the Tigers. I think when you start talking about

700
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: the scandal and just sign seeling it, like a lot

701
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: of fans here still feel like the Astros were made

702
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: examples of that. It was like, I think we're past

703
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: the point of people trying to say they did nothing wrong.

704
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: I think people acknowledged that the Astros did things wrong,

705
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: like that they broke not even break the law, but

706
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 3: they broke the rules. I think what people are more

707
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: upset about, especially seeing how things have gone since, like

708
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: having questions about leadership, like in the front office. It's like, man,

709
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: you fired like the best GM and maybe the city's history,

710
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: maybe one of the better GMS, like from a strictly

711
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: on field standpoint, one of the better gms in baseball

712
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: history for something that like you made an example of

713
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: same thing with AJ Hinch. That's not to say that

714
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: Dusty Baker or Joe Aspata has done a poor job

715
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: managing like I think both of them did very very

716
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: well here, but it'd be different if it was something

717
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 3: where like AJ left on his own. I still think

718
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 3: there's there's some sympathy when AJ comes to town because

719
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people wonder what could have been or

720
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: what if or like what if Mike fires never opens

721
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: his mouth? What if? You know that that's more of

722
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: the thought other than like AJ is this trader. AJ

723
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: is coming in too, like our and our dynasty things

724
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: like that. You know, I think it's interesting too that

725
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: like AJ is bringing a team in here that like

726
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: doesn't have the payroll that the Astros have, like don't

727
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: have the superstars, don't have the names that the apps have.

728
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: So inherently like AJ is bringing this team in here,

729
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: and you can viscerally like see the work that a

730
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: manager and a coaching staff have done on this team

731
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: to make them good, like the matchups, like you can

732
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: see like look like Joe A. Spota is a very

733
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: good manager, good tactician, but he's not calling a ton

734
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: of hitting runs. He's not calling it to lay it

735
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: down a bunch of sacrifice bunts, Like he's not playing

736
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: a ton of matchups because you know what if you

737
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: get if you got from er Valdez on the mound

738
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: or Hunter Brown on the mountain, you don't have to

739
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: do much managing. And then you get to the seventh

740
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: inning and it's like, all right, give the ball to

741
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: Brian A. Brady and Josh Hater, like any team in

742
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: baseball would do if JOSEL two is up in a

743
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: big spot or Jordan Alvarez or you know these guys

744
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: that they have, Like there's not a ton of like

745
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: real difficult like tactician and Joe's gonna. I hope Joe

746
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: doesn't listen to this and think I'm demeaning him. But

747
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: like you, AJ is working with less commesurate wise than

748
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: maybe track record wise than Joe is, so like or

749
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: Dusty did prior to Joe. So you are seeing a

750
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: team that's coming in like with AJ's fingerprints all over it.

751
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: And I think that to me would irritate me a

752
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: little more just because like, man like we had this,

753
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: like we had this guy that like is very clearly,

754
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: if not one of the better in game managers in baseball,

755
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: you know, top three or four, Like had this guy,

756
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: and he left. It was out of our control that

757
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: he left. So I don't think there's not animosity, and

758
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: there's not, And there really was an animosity last year

759
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: in the Wildcard Series when they won, like I think

760
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: you saw like he got applauded like both games, like

761
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: they didn't boo him like and that's the case when

762
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: all the anybody from the seventeen team comes back here,

763
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: like they don't get booed at all. So I don't

764
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 3: think it's going to be that big of a change

765
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: of ideology. But again, like, who knows if they get

766
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: to the If they get to Wednesday and they've beaten

767
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: the crap out of him for two and a half

768
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: games and Aj goes out to make a pitching change

769
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: on Wednesday, who knows he could hear some he could

770
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: hear some heckles.

771
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: I'll never forget in the uber to the airport in

772
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 4: Houston after the wild Card Series last year, just hearing

773
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: talk radio, just like melting, like why is Aj Hinchatt

774
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 4: managing the Astros? Alex Core is still managing the Red Sox.

775
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 4: And you know there's a part of AJ who probably

776
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: every time he steps foot in that building has to think,

777
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: what if, you know, what if we didn't break the rules,

778
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 4: or what if I wasn't the guy who kind of

779
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: had to take a symbolic fall, or however you want

780
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: to phrase it, how many pennants could we have won?

781
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 4: Would I be going to Cooperstown? And studies had to

782
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: take a very altered trajectory a much longer path. I've

783
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: said a million times. I always I think post suspension,

784
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: AJ viewed it as important to almost do it the

785
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 4: hard way, right, and that's definitely what he has done.

786
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: And I think it was validating for him. You would

787
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 4: never admit it, but I think it was validating for

788
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: him to beat the Astros. And I think it's validating

789
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 4: for him now to roll into town with a team

790
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: that looks to be legitimately good and it is a

791
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: team built in his image a little bit, a team

792
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 4: that's improved steadily over the years. They're not gonna bunt

793
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: or hit and run. That's not AJ style, but they

794
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: play the matchups. He still manages the crap out of

795
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: every single game. And I used to think AJ didn't

796
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: like going back to Houston or hearing the questions, like

797
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 4: getting asked about the scandal or getting asked just what's

798
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: it like to be back in you know, minute made

799
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: Slash daycon Park. I think that's gonna be different now

800
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 4: because I think he can have a little more pride,

801
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: you know, stick his chest out a little bit more,

802
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: and I think he's almost gonna be welcoming that It's

803
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a little bit of a humble brag

804
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 4: for AJ to go in there with a team that

805
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: he has kind of helped build over the last four

806
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 4: to five years and now appears to be to be legit.

807
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't he say something the other day? Didn't he

808
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: get asked about like winning a big series or beating

809
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 3: like a big opponent. Then he like turned the question

810
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: on the guy and say, like, why don't other teams.

811
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: Get out of when is it like to beat us?

812
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: Right? Like, I think that's the tone he'll probably take here.

813
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, I don't think he'll ever be

814
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: like I don't think he'll ever be like mean spirited

815
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: about it. But he here and say like, I mean,

816
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: we beat these guys on the biggest stage, like we don't.

817
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 3: We don't into talk about like how gratifying it is

818
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: for me to be back here, Like I mean this

819
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: is just old hat now, Like and I mean I

820
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: think AJ, like, I mean, obviously you know Cody, like

821
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 3: he still has roots here, like I believe he saw

822
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: has a house in the Woodlands, Like I mean still

823
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: one of his daughters may still be in school here.

824
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: I'm not sure where they're at and trajectory wise, but

825
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: like that he still has roots here, and I think

826
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: that may enter his mind to with like, man, I

827
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had to uproot my family. We could have

828
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: really settled down here, We could have really like made

829
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: Houston called Houston our forever home. And now that's not

830
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 3: the case. And I wonder how much it's more maybe

831
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: of a personal like family thing than maybe more like

832
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: because like I think we have to remember, like baseball

833
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: players in general are wired to be like transient people,

834
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: to be like you don't stay like unless your Jose

835
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: al Tuva or Miguel Cabrera, Like you don't stay in

836
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: one place for forever like you you just you move.

837
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: You you it's the business of the sport. It's the

838
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: business of baseball. So he had that rare opportunity to

839
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: maybe have that here, to have a place where he

840
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: could have been entrenched as you know, a legend, and

841
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, for right or wrong, he always will be

842
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 3: like the World Series title is, they're not taking it away,

843
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 3: like they still have the trophy, they still have the rings.

844
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: It's still in the record books. Like he won the

845
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 3: first World Series title for the Houston Astros. He managed

846
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 3: the Houston Ashers, first World series, UH, title winning team,

847
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: Like his legacy is secure here. Now there's a lot

848
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: of layers and nuance to it once you start talking

849
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: about it, but his legacy in Houston is cemented, and

850
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 3: I think he can come and know that on top

851
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: of having this team to come in here and you

852
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: know this is a better team, Like they are coming

853
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: in here as the favorites, And I don't think that's

854
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: something we thought we would say maybe this soon in

855
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 3: AJ's tenure.

856
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: No, And part of the story too, in terms of

857
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: what could have been, is the Chicago White Sox piece

858
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: of it, Like that was that was the that was

859
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: the team to to manage at the time, and then

860
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: they went in a different direction.

861
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 4: He ends up talking about alternate timelines.

862
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: And look where the franchises are now compared to them.

863
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Obviously Houston has just continued to have success. But I

864
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: did want to pick your brain a little bit here

865
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: as we uh, as we're about forty minutes into this podcast,

866
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Chandler is that obviously a lot of moves in the

867
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: offseason that the Astros made, some with short term gain,

868
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: some with long term gain. In mind, what about from

869
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: ber Valdez, Like this is a guy that's yeah, I

870
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: got in front of me. He is. He's about to

871
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: turn he'll turn thirty two this year. He's in the

872
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: last year of his contract. He's been we talked about

873
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: Hunter Brown, he's been, you know, supplanted as the ace

874
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: of the team. Is there. What are the conversations around

875
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: him right now, both externally and internally.

876
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: I mean, he's going to follow the same path that

877
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: every one of these other homegrown guys did. They're going

878
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: to let him play out and then he's going to

879
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: go into free agency and he there's a very very

880
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: very very very high likelihood who will be playing somewhere

881
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: other than Houston next season, just because that's this, This

882
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: is how the Ashers operate. They don't they don't go

883
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: into the realm of numbers and years and dollars that

884
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: fromber will want. As you know, you look at the

885
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: max free deal. I don't think he gets I don't

886
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: think he reaches that number. But he's right there. I mean,

887
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: you talk about left handed starting pitching like he's gonna

888
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: be the best left handed started pitcher on the market

889
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: next year. He's going to be. If not, I mean,

890
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: he'll be in the top three or four free agent

891
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: starters available. You know, they considered they they listened on

892
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: him this past winter along with trading Kyle Tucker. They however,

893
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: the reason they didn't trade fromber this winter is because

894
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: they didn't believe. And you can look it up. This

895
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 3: guy has thrown. He hadn't thrown two hundred innings every year,

896
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: but he's thrown at least one ninety ninety five every year.

897
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: He's been a full time starry. This is the epitome

898
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: of a durable workhorse like throws posts. And they did

899
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: not believe that they could replicate that volume of innings

900
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: with what they had in early So that's why they

901
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: that's why they opted to trade Kyle Tucker over Frombervell does.

902
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: But they listened on fromber both last winter and the

903
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: winter before. If they are somehow completely out of contention

904
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 3: at the trade deadline, which I don't envision just given

905
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: how weak the American League is, he automatically becomes an

906
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: ideal trade target for anyone if they're if they make

907
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: him available at the deadline, but they they're not going

908
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 3: to do that unless they are completely out of it

909
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: the time to trade him if they wanted to recoup

910
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: any value. If they wanted to get value from him

911
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: before the time to trade him was his past winter,

912
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: and they decided not to. So you know, they'll stick

913
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: it out with him. He can be enigmatic at times.

914
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: He's very much a you know, he's done a lot

915
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: of work with a sports psychiatrist to really get the

916
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: mental side of things squared away with him, and sometimes

917
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: it's still a struggle for him. Sometimes you'll see him,

918
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: you know, bark at umpires. You'll see him react to

919
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: an error behind him or a soft hit, or he's

920
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: notoriously bad at fielding his position, so a lot of

921
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: things can kind of snowball on him. But he's found

922
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: a way to get his breathing right regularly his breathing,

923
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: settle himself and become like a true workhorse. And you know,

924
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: if not for Hunter Brown, the ace of this team.

925
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: So you know, who knows if the Tigers need a

926
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: starter at the deadline and the Astros are fifteen hunder

927
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: five hundred, tell Scott Harris called Dana Brown, I'll have

928
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 3: the best rental guy available.

929
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a weird way, I think the Fromber situation

930
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: could be a little bit of a roadmap or depending

931
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 4: on how it ends, up a cautionary tail for what

932
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 4: the Tigers are soon going to face with Derek Scooble.

933
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: Schoobols maybe even a tier above fromber But you have

934
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: a premier left handed starter on a good team. So

935
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: what do you do. You know, School's hard to trade,

936
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: but the better if he continues to pitch this, well,

937
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: he's only going to be harder to re sign. Chandler,

938
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 4: I feel like you've kind of been on the front

939
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: end for a while saying like the Astors might have

940
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: to trade fromber and they didn't do it, but like

941
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: you said, they did. Listen, no one wants to hear

942
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 4: that the Tigers might have to trade Schooble. But like,

943
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: especially as we head into this, you know next offseason,

944
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 4: it's it's just going to be a hard reality they

945
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 4: might have to face. And if the Astors let fromber

946
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 4: Walk and give them the qualifying off or whatever, I mean,

947
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 4: that maybe well be how things end with schoobl in Detroit.

948
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: But there's a little bit of a parallel there too.

949
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: Even I'd say it's more of a parallel with Hunter

950
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: Brown at the moment because Hunter Brown and Trek Scouble

951
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 3: have one thing in common. Their representation so Hunter Brown

952
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: hired Scott Boris this winter. You know what that means,

953
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: So there will be no extension unless they are blown

954
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: out of the water with an offer. So I think

955
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: the parallel there is more kind of brown like, especially

956
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: where they're like, how many more r years does Scooble.

957
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 4: Have is he's under team control for two more seasons

958
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: or so, right this year and next year.

959
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: So Hunter's got Hunters one year back, so he's got

960
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: this year and then two more years. So I think

961
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: that's the more apt parallel is because you know, there's

962
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: already fans that are fretting about you know, they're not

963
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: gonna be able to extend them, and I think they've

964
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 3: accepted that with just given how the astros operate and

965
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: the Boris factor. So I think it'd be really stupid

966
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: to trade Trek's Scooble, just like I think it'd be

967
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 3: really stupid to trade Hunter Brown. But or I mean,

968
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: I was on board with them trading from er Valdez

969
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: this past winter because like again, like I thought they

970
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 3: had enough starting pitching depth that they could have done

971
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: what they deemed that they thought they couldn't do, which

972
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: was like get the volume of innings. Instead, they traded

973
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: the best player on their team. And they wonder why

974
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: they have the fifth lowest ops in baseball, because when

975
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: you trade the best player on your team, that tends

976
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: to happen. So yeah, I think.

977
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: So.

978
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: Have they even tried to extend school, like, I mean,

979
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: aside from like just doing the the doing the cursory.

980
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 4: Just yeah, hard to say how much, how much of

981
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 4: a serious effort it was. I think I think every

982
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 4: negotiation has to start somewhere. I don't think there's been

983
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: like a full court press to bring it back.

984
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: And Scott Harris isn't dumb either, like he he he

985
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: knows the situation too so and and the Ashers do too,

986
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: like the Ashers had a chance and what the Ashlers

987
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: will kick themselves for. Brown was very, very very interested

988
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: in the extension last spring, not this past spring. Last

989
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: spring when he had a four to six ERA and

990
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 3: two and a half big league seasons, to the point

991
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: where he switched representation to not Scot Woars, another agency

992
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 3: midway through spring training in hopes that an extension could

993
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: get done. It never got done. Now we are where

994
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: we are, so they they really they had a golden

995
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 3: opportunity to lock in Hunter Brown before he became real

996
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: Hunter Brown, and that's something that I think they will

997
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: regret for a long time because the way this thing

998
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: is going. I'm not saying that they're going downhill, and

999
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the window is slamming shut, but it's

1000
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: not the same superteam it was, and the payroll is

1001
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: not I mean, Jim Crane spends money, but certainly not

1002
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: in the ways that it would take to retain him,

1003
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: to retain Kyle Tucker, to retain Fromberveldes So and they

1004
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: have the worst, if not the worst into some in

1005
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: baseball bottom three, so they have nothing coming either to

1006
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: help replenish and be sustainable the s word in a

1007
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: cost controlled manner. So they may have no choice at

1008
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 3: some point, but they're gonna kick themselves for not getting

1009
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: Hunter Brown extended, you know, two years ago, when he

1010
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: was really ready, willing and able to do it.

1011
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. The school, the school bul aspect of it is

1012
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: one that you know, we kind of feels bad, right

1013
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: wrong to talk about it today when he still lights out,

1014
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: but it is something that does hangover Tigers fans heads

1015
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: a little bit because this iteration of ownership and front

1016
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: office ship. I know, I may at the word up

1017
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: uh doesn't really have a history of of dolling out

1018
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: payroll skyrocketing contracts. Like the one major extension that Scott

1019
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Harris has done was with Colt Keith, who puts him

1020
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: it was like, what thirty something million over eight years,

1021
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: Cody something like that.

1022
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: He's only guaranteed twenty eight. Yeah, it's like Chandler's point here,

1023
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. Like this is a whole other thing

1024
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 4: that we'll probably talk about all next winter. But like

1025
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 4: they could offer him two billion dollars, Scott Boris might

1026
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: still say, I want to take this to free agency.

1027
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 4: Let's see if the Yankees.

1028
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: Will beat it, you know, right, the only sort of

1029
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 3: a Boris thing that it's the only way that Trek

1030
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: School or Hunter Brown or signing extensions are if their

1031
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: respective teams make them the sort of offer that like

1032
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: just blows away any possible thing that they could get

1033
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: in free agency, like at all. And still even then

1034
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: Scott would probably Scott Boris would probably tell them, would

1035
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: probably advise them anyway to wait for the open market

1036
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: when you have thirty teams that can bid on you. Now,

1037
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: anytime we talk about this, I do have to have

1038
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: this caveat we talk about Scott Borris not liking pre

1039
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 3: orb extensions, not liking pre free agency extensions. The Astros

1040
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: do employ two players that have signed jose Al two

1041
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: V signed two of them. Lance mccullor signed one of

1042
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: them pre free agency extensions while being represented by Scott Boris,

1043
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: So it has happened before, like it can happen. But

1044
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 3: the through line in those two was at Lance and

1045
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 3: Altuve instructed Scott Boris like, I don't want to play

1046
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: anywhere else. I want to be here, and Scott at

1047
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: the end of the day, he does do what his

1048
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: clients ask him to do, so he got those extensions

1049
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: worked out. So I guess for Tiger's fans you can

1050
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: feel heartened it can't happen. Like if Trek Scooble goes

1051
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: to Scott Boris and says, I don't want to play

1052
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: anywhere else but Detroit, make it work, that can happen.

1053
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 3: Same thing with Hunter Brown here. But I get the

1054
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: feeling that's not how it's going to turn out.

1055
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 4: So just create a budding dynasty. It might be your

1056
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 4: best chance.

1057
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all it takes, all right, anything else

1058
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: that we need to hit on. Did we miss anything? Guys?

1059
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: I felt like we were pretty thorough here almost an hour in.

1060
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: This Cold Keith will play first base, all right?

1061
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: So the short answer much time do we have here?

1062
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: The short answer on that is cold Keith is more

1063
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: position less than having a position. Uh. He actually hasn't

1064
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: played like what four games? Is it that it? Cody

1065
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: starts at first base.

1066
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 4: Realized first baseman again, baby, realized he.

1067
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: Was a one to one, and he had a good

1068
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: defensive weekend. I thought Cody was some you know, some

1069
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: tough plays.

1070
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 4: And almost more impressive than his offense. Like defense is

1071
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: just less of a fluid thing. You don't just wake

1072
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: up and go from being a negative defender to a

1073
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 4: positive defender. I feel like that's what towurkle Sen has done.

1074
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Speaker 4: He's looked really good at first. To go back to

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00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: the cold Keith question, Colts, it was the beneficiary of

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Speaker 4: the Tigers signing Glabor tores and theory moving on from

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Speaker 4: from uh Spencer Torklesen. Now he's really the one wearing

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Speaker 4: the Spencer torkle Sen reclamation because they're paying Labor to

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Speaker 4: play second. Glabor's playing well.

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Speaker 1: Labor does not want to play third, will not play third.

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Speaker 4: That hasn't actually come up with the Tigers, but that

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00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: was a storyline in his in his free agency. Colt

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Speaker 4: is not gonna play first, He's not gonna play second.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's gonna mix in at those two positions.

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Speaker 4: He can DH some. But Cary Carpenter's dhing some. He

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00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: just had a scare with his hamstring, so he's been

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Speaker 4: dhing a little bit more. Uh, and he just hasn't

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: been that productive, although I think we're starting to see

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Speaker 4: some signs he's been pulling the ball a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: It's still not like big picture worried about Colt Keith,

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Speaker 4: but now it's almost a matter of just like how

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00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: do you get him at bats? It's become a kind

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Speaker 4: of a strange situation.

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Speaker 1: He's getting squeezed out a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That yeah, and then what and then which one of

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00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: these anonymous relievers I've never heard of is the closer?

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Speaker 4: What is a closer?

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Speaker 1: The closer like like a door, like what you know what?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 4: I thought today the Yankees officially like demoted Dev Williams

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Speaker 4: from the closer role. I was like, maybe this is

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Speaker 4: just more AJ Hinch brilliance. You never have to revoke

1103
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 4: the closer role from someone if you just don't say

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Speaker 4: it officially. Tommy Cainley seems to be the guy getting

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Speaker 4: the most ninth inning reps right now. With a little

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00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 4: bit of will Vest mixed in there.

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Speaker 3: Is Cainleys still throwing like change ups every.

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Speaker 4: A lot of change ups. He he hasn't thrown fifty

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Speaker 4: six in a row yet. He does have a fastball,

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Speaker 4: he's used it a little bit. But the guy throws

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Speaker 4: a lot of change ups.

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Speaker 3: You know, you could have had like a World Series

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Speaker 3: winning closer with the Detroit Tigers if he would have

1114
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 3: said if he would have said yes. It's always something

1115
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: about former twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two Astros saying

1116
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: no to the Detroit Tigers. A complete uh, a testament

1117
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: of their off season. Ryan Presley good good reliever. Good

1118
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Speaker 3: reliever for the Chicago Cups.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that storyline, man, That seems like

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Speaker 1: a million years ago.

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Speaker 4: Somehow, the Tigers have constructed a really good book in

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00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 4: with some guys that no one outside of Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a full faith thing from the fans.

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Speaker 1: Anything pitching related that that the coaching staff and the

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00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: front office does they They seem not. They do have

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00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: missus Cody mentioned earlier, Kent and Maida, but it it's

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00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: not about one thousand. But when it comes to bullpen

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Speaker 1: guys especially, no one gives any sort of pushback, like

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00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: at all. And of course, of course with AJ, like

1131
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: anything AJ does is like he'll say something, but then

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00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: his actions are like actually the kind of contradictory to

1133
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: what the statement is. So it's like, who's the closer?

1134
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't believe in closers. Meanwhile, like last year, like

1135
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: Jason Foley got every single closing opportunity the first like

1136
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: two months of the year, right, So like that's that's

1137
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite ajasm, Like, oh, I don't think

1138
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: that way, and then he just literally manages that way.

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Speaker 3: I will say, I'm excited to see Casey Mace pitch

1140
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: just given like everything he has been through, and yeah,

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00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: it's it'd be fun to watch him because liked even

1142
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Speaker 3: make the wildcard. He was even on the.

1143
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 4: PA, he was on the wildcard rosterage pitch, and then

1144
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 4: he was off the DS roster. If I'm remembering that correctly,

1145
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 4: there was the other way around what a comeback. Uh,

1146
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 4: he's looked legit, legit. If his splitter keeps working, He's

1147
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Speaker 4: going to have a terrific season.

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00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm excited to watch it.

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: All right, Chandler. Uh. For the Tiger Territory listeners, where

1150
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: can they? Where can they find your work at.

1151
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: The Athletic alongside Cody Stavenhagen and uh at Chandler Underscore

1152
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: Rome on whatever Elon is calling his social media.

1153
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: And you can follow and subscribe to Crush City Territory.

1154
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: Excuse me if you so choose and want to get

1155
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: the Houston perspective after the Tiger series or just in general.

1156
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: Chandler's a fun guy. If you want to listen to him,

1157
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that's a bad decision. You can follow

1158
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: Cody on X or Twitter or whatever it's being called

1159
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: these days at Cody Stavenhagen, I'm at herean Underscore Steckley.

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Speaker 1: Tiger Territory is the podcast, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcast, five star review, like and subscribe.

1162
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: Wait, I have one more question. Have the Tigers have

1163
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: the Tigers from the corner.

1164
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: They had turned the corner they made the playoffs.

1165
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: I think making the playoffs counts.

1166
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: And they officially turned the corner and so we had

1167
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: to come up with a new gimmick. And now they

1168
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: are just territory. So glad, glad, glad to have made

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: that change at a good time. It would been awkward

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00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: if they were still rebuilding when we.

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00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 4: Had still doesn't do well in se O. You type

1172
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 4: in like Tigers podcast, we don't come up.

1173
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: So they gotta we gotta work on that. We gotta

1174
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: get on our our social media influencer game a little bit.

1175
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: But if you follow us, that will help us out

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00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: a lot. So for Chandler Rome, Cody Stepenaga, I'm Kieren Steckley. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: have a great day.