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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal ull that for.

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Speaker 2: Me, I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many

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Speaker 2: players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day? Edith Steak is

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Speaker 1: that whoo whoo? And them and Tye welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the solid verbal boys and girls.

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Speaker 3: MO name is ty hilden Brandt as always joining me

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Speaker 3: in the heart of the Midwest, the one, the only, always,

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Speaker 3: the incomparable Dan Rubinstein and Sir we are I think

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Speaker 3: suffice to say excited, Oh yeah for this episode today.

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Speaker 3: This is one of those that we kind of circle

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Speaker 3: on the calendar, is it not?

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Speaker 2: It absolutely has been. We've we've I think we named

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Speaker 2: it the Loskers. Yeah, the Loskers, so like the Oscars,

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Speaker 2: but with that big old Allen front. I would also

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Speaker 2: I pitched you on Academy Award, but you kind of

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Speaker 2: have to do too many, uh too many verbal gymnastics,

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Speaker 2: too much verbal gymnastics with your mouth. So I think

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Speaker 2: Loscars is the move. It's really like a year in

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Speaker 2: the making because what we do on this show. And

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Speaker 2: Andy Staples is going to be here from mom three.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Andy Staples, Doctor Andy Staples.

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Speaker 1: Andrew is it Andrew? Is that the official name. That

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Speaker 1: is my government name. Yes it was andrews Now were

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Speaker 1: conferring and is this an honorary doctor? At this being

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Speaker 1: conferred upon me? Because I live with someone who works

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Speaker 1: people who went to college for like ninety four years

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Speaker 1: they get called doctor.

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Speaker 2: So I think this is this is like the Doctor

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Speaker 2: Duncan Steam kind of award, or like doctor Demento.

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Speaker 1: I think where we doctor? Yes, great doctor launched weird

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Speaker 1: Al Yankovic. I mean, who wouldn't love doctor? But yes,

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Speaker 1: this the Loscars is a great name, thank you. It

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Speaker 1: just has a great ring to it. Hackademy Awards is

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Speaker 1: trying a little too hard, I think. But yeah, the

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Speaker 1: questions what's a trophy look like? Because isn't oscar basically

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Speaker 2: oscar is holding, right, Ty, you can pull up the image.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're calling you though, are wrong? Cologist? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Sport certified doctor Andrew Staples wrong collegist or it's certified.

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Speaker 2: And to be clear, to be absolutely clear, we're not

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Speaker 2: honoring the biggest losers in the sport this year. We're

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Speaker 2: it on the camera, the microphone, on ourselves and honor

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Speaker 2: the takes, the game predictions, the game picks, the season predictions,

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Speaker 2: whatever that we could not have been more incorrect about.

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Speaker 2: And why not have Andy Staples our wrong cologists into.

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Speaker 1: Very famously wrong a lot of times this past season

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Speaker 2: Yeah, outstanding performance in the field of wrongness?

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Speaker 1: Yes, what is the best picture? Lostker? Like, what are

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the format here is I think I don't

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Speaker 2: And you kind of plant a flag kind of early

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Speaker 1: They weren't all wrong.

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Speaker 3: Like for me, for example, I'll continue patting myself on

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Speaker 2: He turned his back, he said preseason, he was like,

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Speaker 1: I blinked.

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Speaker 1: I did that. I did that in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: And look, it's to be fair to us, to those

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Speaker 2: in RETROSPECTI do you stand by the pick?

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Speaker 1: I stay listen, man.

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Speaker 3: A lot of Michigan people tweeted about this, and I understand,

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Speaker 1: So it was the wrong pick at the end of

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Speaker 1: That game went off at Michigan minus two and a half.

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Speaker 1: There was a world where you could have you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, you're giving Saban a month, right, most

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Speaker 3: most often, when you're giving Saban a month, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: It worked this time. It was his final game. We

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Speaker 2: But you just didn't have the steely result. I didn't

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Speaker 2: Let me get through the ones. I got right, I have.

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Speaker 1: Four more, well, and I wants to keep adding himself

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Speaker 1: fair enough.

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Speaker 3: So I had Michigan as the national champion. I had

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Speaker 3: I said that Colorado could be a feisty three and nine.

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Speaker 3: take that one. And I got it right on the screws.

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Speaker 3: I said Florida is going to finish five and seven,

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Speaker 3: celebrate if you're a Florida fan. Andy me, we can

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Speaker 3: But I want to give you guys an opportunity before

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Speaker 2: Let's see, if I'm looking across various conferences, I had

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Speaker 1: That came true. I was in on Kirby more early

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Speaker 2: I took Clemson that was not great in the ACC

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Speaker 2: was not my finest hour. But I had Michigan, I

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. I was close on a number of things.

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Speaker 2: But it was not a great correct year for me. No, Andy,

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Speaker 2: what did you have that you you feel good that

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Speaker 1: Not a damn thing, nothing right. That's why terrible year

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Speaker 1: Penn State doing the Big Ten and I rode that

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Speaker 1: why just watching the game sitting here, How could I

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Speaker 2: I was not a believer in Texas the way that

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Speaker 2: Ty was. No, I was very little that I feel

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Speaker 2: like I did well in terms of picking.

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Speaker 1: I ticked Oklahoma to beat Texas. I think that's probably

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Speaker 1: about it. Well, did I do it that week? That's

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Speaker 1: the problem. That I do it that week? I can't

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Speaker 1: even remember, but I picked it most of the preseas

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Speaker 2: you know what, why can't Northwestern at least win four

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Speaker 2: at least I was like, you know what, why not?

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's something like galvanizing about the situation they were

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Speaker 1: The degree I think I said, Colorado is going to

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Speaker 1: Out on a nine wins season. Turnaround stories don't.

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Speaker 2: It just clings, which, by the way, couldn't be more

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Speaker 2: I was, first of all, in the way that Andy

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Speaker 1: The whole year through.

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Speaker 3: This is only half of the story, Andy. The other

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the best I can do on short notice.

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Speaker 2: It was tough and Oregon beat up corners and you

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Speaker 1: just been fired. You know, Harlan Barnett gets the interim job.

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00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 1: I like, Harley Barnett's gonna give a give him hell

435
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: Harry speech. They're coming out and they're gonna give Washington again.

436
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: Know they got destroyed in that game. Georgia South Carolina.

437
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: We learned a lot about Georgia that way. That was

438
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: the week where they had the cameras in the locker

439
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: room at halftime, Carson Beck's like winking at the camera

440
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: because they're down. I think they were down fourteen to

441
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: three at halftime. They were not covering a four touchdown spread.

442
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: And then that was the week that Nick Saban and

443
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: Tommy Reeve decided, Oh, you think we can't do better

444
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: than Jalen Moroe, Well we'll show you we certainly can't.

445
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: We're going to turn this game over to Tyler Bucker

446
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: and ty Simpson and you'll see why we have to

447
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: start Jalen Milroe.

448
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 2: It was what happened was Week three was the crosshairs

449
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: of like a narrative week. Yes, when all of the

450
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: narratives were born, and yes, you were wrong about all

451
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: of them. Like, yes, you were at again we use

452
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 2: the term gumpy and it's no pun with the Alabama thing,

453
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: but like you were at the scene for all of

454
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: these major narratives, but you couldn't get in right.

455
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: I was at the intersection of them, right the light

456
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: went haywire and I got run over.

457
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: Is like Georgia's defense might be a little bit more

458
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: mortal against the run. Iowa was just a disaster on offense.

459
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: What else?

460
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 2: Harrison MeVis has an absolute boot and Missoo is one

461
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: of the field good stories of the season, Like you

462
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: are there, you are at all the show. You were

463
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: showing people pictures of you at Woodstock by the way,

464
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: by the way, Miszoo, Kansas State.

465
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: When Brady Cook was introduced as a starting quarterback, the

466
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 1: home crowd boot him. Yeah. Yeah, it was not the

467
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: feel good story at that point. It became it after.

468
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 1: And let me point out as as I mentioned, there

469
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: were the twelve picks in the in the show, four

470
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: picks were removed from this. So here are the four

471
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: picks that were removed. Penn State minus fourteen and a

472
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: half against Illinois, West Virginia, minus one and a half

473
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, minus nineteen and a half against Georgia,

474
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: Southern North Carolina, minus four and a half against Minnesota.

475
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: If you remember correctly what happened that week, what was

476
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: my record on those four picks?

477
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: Four and oh four and oh four and oh that's

478
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: how it works.

479
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: Edy.

480
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 3: We did a segment on this show called Ti versus

481
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: the World where I would give out like we would

482
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: give locks out throughout the course of our our normal

483
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: preview episode, but I would give out by official picks

484
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 3: the ones that I felt best about at the end

485
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: of all of.

486
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: Our preview episodes.

487
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: And it was a rough go for me in the

488
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: early part. Now, what the graphic you're referring to was

489
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: very early on in the season, but at that point

490
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 3: I had already taken on some serious water and I

491
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: remember saying to Dan, well, at least Andy got them

492
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 3: all wrong. It made me feel better about myself. It

493
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 3: didn't get much better until much later in the season

494
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: for me on that segment. But I kind of held

495
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: up that graphic throughout the course of the year. I

496
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: didn't print it up and put it on the wall

497
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: here in the studio, but I thought about it.

498
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: I thought about it, taps it like the Notre Dame

499
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: and play like a champions.

500
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: Walking in. Here's the thing about that, So if Jack

501
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: had chosen differently, that could have been a four and

502
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: four graphic as opposed to an eight, which is totally respectable, right,

503
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: But I argue that eight works better because it was

504
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: the first time we'd done the graphic. We didn't do

505
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: it the first two weeks. Set an expectation, sets the tone,

506
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: and it's like everyone after that was, oh, this is

507
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: the moron who went eight. Engagement, Baby, it's engagement. A

508
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: million people saw that graphic.

509
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: It's all about engagement these days. All range change next

510
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: year's graphic to stay away staples and that like and

511
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: you're good, then you're good to go right, you lean in,

512
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: you commit to the bit and O eight is way

513
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: more interesting than four and four absolutely way more interesting.

514
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: By the way, on that note, Tie, if I can

515
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: just use it as a segue, I think we both

516
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: agreed when we did our acc preview just because he

517
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: mentioned Pitt West Virginia, were like, zero chance Pitt loses

518
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: five games or more. Quote they always figure it out.

519
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: Quote I quote, there aren't five losses on the schedule,

520
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: and quote you know what, I was right, there were nine.

521
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: There were nine.

522
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you wanted to know, if you didn't play

523
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: high level football and if you and I don't intend

524
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: this to come across as me, but this is just

525
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: science here. If you ever want to know what it

526
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: would feel like to wake up and all of a

527
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: sudden you're playing quarterback for Pitt, watch the West Virginia game.

528
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: There were moments where we were all filled covid. Yeah,

529
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: we were all I was freaking out.

530
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: The pit story.

531
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: Like, I went back and I looked at the acc

532
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: stuff that I that I put out there, and the

533
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: optimism was the schedule because at the start of the

534
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: year it didn't look like it was going to be

535
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: too difficult. The optimism was, hey, Pat Nardoozy lost a

536
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: lot along the line, but he figures it out right,

537
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: that's just what he does. Part of the optimism was

538
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: filed Kovic, who they went basically went old yeller on

539
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: filled your Covic by like week six, Yeah, and it

540
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: just kind of all bottomed out and they went three

541
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: to nine. And so Pitt was one of the ones

542
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: that I had highlighted actually that I was going to

543
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: do next. It's a perfect segue. I'm glad you brought

544
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: that up.

545
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's uh, what do you have next? Tie?

546
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: Outside of that? Okay, So I won't play the drum

547
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: roll again. I had to pick.

548
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: I did want to give a shout out to the

549
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: mysterious quote unquote radio guys in Utah that most of

550
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: Twitter wrote to us about when we said we're not

551
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: really sure about cam Rising.

552
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: We weren't so wrong about that. One. Dan, We just oh,

553
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: I was.

554
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: Right about that one. You went right about that that

555
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: happened to his knee? Why are we just penciling them

556
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: in late August?

557
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: We just kind of like went with it, but we

558
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: were we were skeptical, what versions you can't.

559
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: Background on that too? Sure, So I had a story

560
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: written about Utah potentially going and getting a quarterback. She'd

561
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: been out for a year and was presumed or tired.

562
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: It didn't happen, but they did make inquiries. They kicked tires,

563
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: so I knew can't. The cam Rising injury was had

564
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: to be far worse than which is why I picked Florida.

565
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Since we're talking about being wrong, why I picked Florida

566
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: to beat Utah on the in the season opener. YEP,

567
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: turns out you don't need came Raising to be Florida.

568
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: I just remember when we did our PAC twelve preview

569
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: and we were skeptical about what version of came Raising

570
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: we were going to get because of the injury, and like,

571
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: these things take time. It's not science has advanced a

572
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: long way, but you still can't regrow an ACL overnight.

573
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't.

574
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: We didn't think it would be student assistant Cam Rising.

575
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: That's right, we had. We had a whole bunch of

576
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: Utah people. Like listen, the radio guys in Utah are

577
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: saying he's going to be ready, So just like be

578
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: on on alert. Well, right, we're on alert for twenty

579
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: twenty four. Thank you very much. That one didn't pan

580
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: out for those guys. Unfortunately it didn't pan out for

581
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: Cam Raising either. Let me call out specifically because you

582
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: mentioned Penn State, Andy, and because I'm a Penn stater.

583
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Drew Aller. Oh yeah, Drew.

584
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: I was preaching at the Drew Aller Altar since the

585
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: moment he signed the dotted line on the letter of

586
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: intent in fairness two interceptions through the regular season.

587
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: He was not a liability, He was not a disaster.

588
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: He just.

589
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: He was kind of not good, so kind of not transcendent. Right,

590
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: We expect it because, like it's interesting because like seeing

591
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: games in person sometimes clarifies things for you and it's

592
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: hard to explain. But watching Drew Aller on TV, it's like, Okay,

593
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure why it's not connecting here, because

594
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: like I go to the Iowa game pouring down rain,

595
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: He's making NFL throws into tight windows and you're like, Okay,

596
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be this guy's gonna be awesome, right.

597
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: And I went to the Michigan game in person and

598
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I went to the Michigan State game in person, two

599
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: very different experiences. For Penn State and the Michigan game.

600
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: You can see much more when you can see the

601
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: whole field and it's not just what you're seeing on TV.

602
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: You can see where he kind of clutches for that

603
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: extra half second in a lot of situations where he's little,

604
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: and this is probably why he didn't throw many interceptions

605
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: because he's very turner of reverse. But where against the

606
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Ohio States and the Michigans you got to let that

607
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: rip sometimes, and then against Michigan State when the receivers

608
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: are so galactically open, yeah that it doesn't matter. I mean,

609
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: he's just he's like a jugs machine at that point. Yeah.

610
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: It's it's such an interesting, like I don't know, mental

611
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: exercise with this guy, because you can see the talent.

612
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: You can see that he's got.

613
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: He can throw the ball out of the stadium, but

614
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 3: also there are these moments where he just doesn't let

615
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: it rip, he doesn't step into.

616
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: Throws it was a lot of underneath stuff.

617
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: Part of it was not having receivers, but part of

618
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: it was also not seeing receivers when they were open

619
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: my senses. There was some weird tension there with your

620
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: sitch as well, but there were accuracy issues. Just you

621
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: didn't come away a whole lot after watching Drew Aller

622
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: and with this feeling of Wow, he was awesome, and

623
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: so it just felt like there was a lot of

624
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: potential that we didn't see. That I expected that, I

625
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: predicted that I was wrong about that. I hope I

626
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: see in twenty twenty four with the new offensive system,

627
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: but we'll definitely pump the brakes a little bit more

628
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: when we do our previous this timer.

629
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm still probably going to be all in on them

630
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: because any kotal Nikki, their new OC who came from

631
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Kansas is like the most fun mad scientist offensive foordinator ever.

632
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: Like wat go watch all the stuff he drew up

633
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: for the Jalen Daniels and Jason Bean in at the

634
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: same time place.

635
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I don't. Doespens State have receivers? That's the

636
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: only thing to me right now. Julian Fleming has a

637
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: hell of a car commercial yeah, he does have a

638
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: car commercial. Everybody likes Julian Fleming. I don't know if

639
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: File State fans were forever fans of his hands, but

640
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: talent's obvious I have. Okay, so this was on our

641
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: It might have been on our hot Takes episode. So

642
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: this is is not a full like genuine I've put

643
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: a lot of thought into this, but it was a

644
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: take I came up with that USC's defense wouldn't be good,

645
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't be great, wouldn't be the comeback story of the season,

646
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: but that they'd be fine, that adding Bear Alexander and

647
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: Anthony Lucas shows up a defensive line that might be

648
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: able to cover. First of all, Bear Alexander, good, Bear Alexander,

649
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: very good for you. Yeah, but it was sort of

650
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: Bear Alexander and like his Marry misfits right, and USC's defense.

651
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: We had Arion last week. He was at the USC

652
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: game against I think Washington. He was like, that was

653
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: the single, like most disturbing, disappointing defensive effort he had

654
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: seen in person. And he's not wrong, well, only because

655
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: it reminds him of the check. He's going to have

656
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: to write to me after this.

657
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: Correct.

658
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: He did reference this, he did reference the check andy,

659
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: and USC's defense took no steps forward. They continued to

660
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: be terrible. And there were, like I think USC fans

661
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: early on pointing to like some pass rushing numbers against

662
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: San Jose State or something. I was like, guys, gonna happen,

663
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: and it didn't. It didn't happen. For USC was absolutely

664
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: wrong that this defense would be okay, merely disappointing. No,

665
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: it was once again terrible, and I was wrong.

666
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now they steal UCLA's defensive coordinator yep, Danton

667
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Henderson from the Rams yep, yep. So perhaps that changes something.

668
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I I'm not sure it will unless Lincoln Riley is

669
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: open to philosophical changes. I just don't. I can. I

670
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: can tell by watching that they are a team that

671
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: does not take tackling seriously at practice. Right when you

672
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: watch Georgia play, when you watch Michigan play, like, these

673
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: are teams that hit it practice. These are teams that

674
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: deep into the season still have at least one or

675
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: two days a week where they are really hitting it practice.

676
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: USC does not look like one of those teams.

677
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: No, they don't hit a practice, they don't hit it games.

678
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: They might not tackle when they're playing Madden. You don't

679
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: see it from USC at all. So to me, it's

680
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: more just like I don't think they have guys. I

681
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: don't think they recruit like they want to be good

682
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: at defense. I just don't think they have the guys

683
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: to play good defense.

684
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: Well, and then that is also true, and if you

685
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: go back to Lincoln Riley's recruiting history un in Oklahoma,

686
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: they did not. They just don't sign top one hundred

687
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: defensive guys for the most part. They they need to

688
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: start doing that or they will never have the kind

689
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: of defense they actually want.

690
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: Were you high on a specific unit, a specific player,

691
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: a specific coach heading into the season where you were

692
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: positive that you were going to be proven right and

693
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: were comically wrong.

694
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: Well, that that would be the Penn State offense for me?

695
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: Okay offense, yeah, because that was that was the one.

696
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, they're gonna the light's gonna come on,

697
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: it's going to click. The Iowa game for me was

698
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: like that was the fools goal, right, they score thirty

699
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: one points in the reign against Iowa, like they're going

700
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: to be fine. And then the Ohio State game happens

701
00:35:52,640 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: and They're like, what, just try something? Yeah, and they wouldn't. Ty,

702
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: what do you have? Let me call out Kentucky. I

703
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: was really in on Kentucky this year. You were in

704
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: the cone zone. Yeah, I was, Yeah, I had.

705
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: I pulled a quote out here you could argue that

706
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen's system was the reason for all this ridiculous

707
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: hype around Will Levis. So I love the fact that

708
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: he's back with another solid quarterback, and I am delirious

709
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: for Devon Leary. End quote, good line, I thought, so

710
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: stand by the line. I stand by the line content.

711
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 3: But I don't know if it was as bad if

712
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: some of the stats might indicate for Devin Leary. So

713
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: I remember we did a deep dive of like some

714
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: of the advanced stuff Dan for one of the Patreon episodes.

715
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: And it was like, all right, like we can we

716
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: can kind of see what they're doing here. And it

717
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: just didn't take flight the way I expected with Devin

718
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: Kentucky offense. In usc defense, I feel like our analogous

719
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: it's the head coaches over our coaching philosophy that puts

720
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: them where they are. And you know, Liam Cohen just

721
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: left Kentucky to go be the Tampa Bay Bucks offensive coordinator.

722
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: So they've got to find a new OC. I don't

723
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: think if you're a candidate for that job that you

724
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: go into it thinking you're going to have no handcuffs

725
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: on you. Mark Stoops wants a certain tempo, he wants

726
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: a certain you know, a certain vibe from his offense.

727
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: Don't mess it up for my defense kind of thing.

728
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: And you know, if you can maul people up front,

729
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: run the ball, like the Kentucky Florida game is a

730
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: great example. Like that is the dream of Mark Stoops,

731
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: Like he wants every game to be like that. But

732
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: they're not good enough on the offensive line to do

733
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: that to everybody that they play. And you know, unfortunately,

734
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: like the the very tragic passing of John Schlarman, their

735
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: offensive line coach a few years ago, it's not the

736
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: same anymore. And so unless they can get their line

737
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: back up to the level that it was a few

738
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: years ago, you're just not going to dominate on the ground.

739
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: You are going to have to learn to adapt a

740
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: little bit. You're going to have to play with tempo

741
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: a little bit just to just to keep people off balance.

742
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: Because Kentucky has recruited some good players and some good athletes,

743
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: and like they've got a couple of young receivers Dane

744
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Key and Barryon Brown I believe who are really good. Like, so,

745
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: you know, the question is like with Brock Vandergrift, the

746
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: quarterback they've come in from Georgia, do you cut that

747
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: loose a little bit? Do you try to juice the

748
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: tempo every once in a while, you know, open things up?

749
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Or are you going to be overwhelmingly conservative offensively? And

750
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: if you are, this is just what you're going to get.

751
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: And Mark Stoops, I think has told us who he

752
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: is enough times that we should just believe him.

753
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's also the element of and it's not

754
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: just it's never just one player, but I always enjoy

755
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: looking at programs who are successful and then when a

756
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: key player leaves, you're like, oh, in retrospect, that guy

757
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: was way better than we even appreciated. Maybe that's Wandale Robinson, right,

758
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: Maybe yes, have a guy that is so good that

759
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: perhaps certain deficiencies are covered up for or he is

760
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: that safety valve. Because Will Levis has a season both

761
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: I think with and without Wandale Robinson as well, and

762
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: you could see some differences there, and that's Liam Cohen

763
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: and not Liam Cohen rich Sangerello. Yes, And so there

764
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 2: are those guys across the sport where you're like, oh, man,

765
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: in retrospect, this dude. And I remember thinking about that

766
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: about Alan Robinson, like he always had these like kind

767
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: of disappointing quarterbacks, but always would put up thirteen hundred

768
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: yards receiving, both in the NFL and in college. You're like, oh,

769
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: in retrospect, this guy is just so good that he

770
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: was able to cover up.

771
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: I've gone two straight years now of trying to speak

772
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: Tavian Robinson into Wandale Robinson.

773
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: As they have. I mean, that was the point when

774
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: they went and got him. They thought, Okay, this is physically,

775
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, and skill set wise, very similar to what

776
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: we had in Wandelle. But it's not the same.

777
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: It's not the same thing. I mean, Wandale's playing in

778
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: the pros. So all right, what do you got, Dan?

779
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: I was super high on Texas tech heading into the

780
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: air like Joey Maguire captures me, and so I was

781
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: just in on that offense taking a step forward and

782
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: generating more explosive plays. What I didn't account for was

783
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: the Tyler Shuck factor. He's just he has bad luck.

784
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: He just has bad luck. He keeps getting injured.

785
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Can I throw a Tyler Shuck observation in please? Is

786
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck the new Michael PENNOCKX junior? Oh, Tyler Shuck

787
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: at Louisville. Finally with Tyler Shuck at Louisville, last chance

788
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: with a guy who makes quarterbacks look great.

789
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: Making an early play for this award in twenty twenty five.

790
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: And that's exactly right.

791
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: Receivers does Tyler Shuck have at Louisville in twenty twenty four?

792
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: I have no idea, not jam, but they did get

793
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: some They did get some guys out of the portal

794
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: who right, who could be very good.

795
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just have Tyler Shuck baggage watching that

796
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: Oregon and he would look really good for a week

797
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: and then panic at the end of games, and you know,

798
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: the bad luck with injuries. A Texas Tech and like

799
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: the Texas Tech defense continues to improve. You know, they

800
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: hired well on the defensive side of the ball. They've

801
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: been active in the portal on the defensive side of

802
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: the ball. They basically were a pick six away from

803
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: beating Oregon at home and a huge win, but just

804
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: couldn't sustain. They became a running team. They realized they

805
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: had to just give the voltatage Brooks as much as

806
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: humanly possible, and that was smart, but it wasn't winning

807
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: them a ton of games this year. And so I

808
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: thought we were talking about like an I remember Andrew Peasley, Yeah,

809
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: put the stake in him early. Yeah, Andrew Peasley, the

810
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: very fun quarterback for Wyoming. And no, look, you don't

811
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: go delaramy and just roll your helmets out there and

812
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: win a game. I'm a big altitude guy too, and

813
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: I screwed that up.

814
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

815
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: I'm putting together a take board that were going to

816
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: put somewhere here in the studio, and I'm gonna.

817
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: Jump that one. Andy's is my Tyler Schuck taking gonna

818
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: lead it off by twenty four stas.

819
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: If you'll give me some permission to use that on

820
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: my takeboard, we can include it as one of our

821
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: first All.

822
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Speaker 1: Right, Hunter, because I just look at it as a

823
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: guy with a lot of physical talent who's had very

824
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: bad luck, which is what Pennix was in Indiana.

825
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: And he's also what twenty eight like, he's been round

826
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: for a minute, like Michael Pennix.

827
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because Tyler Shuck was signed the year before

828
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: ty Thompson signed at Orgon, right, wow, and ty Thompson

829
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: just left Orgon after what three years? So yep, this

830
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: is it is Uh yeah, I just I'm hopeful for that.

831
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: The Joy Reguire thing is interesting me because I wondered,

832
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: is is this a case where everybody's just getting excited

833
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: because this is a likable coach who gives good quotes

834
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: and good interviews. I don't think that's necessarily the case entirely,

835
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: because if you look at them at the end of

836
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: this season, they were figuring some stuff out. Yeah, and

837
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: so I think I think there's a chance that they

838
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: they wind up being a pretty good program. I think

839
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: they just needed to figure out what they are and

840
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: how to how to best it. And credit to them

841
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: because like Zach Kittley's a pure air raid guy, but

842
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: they realize, run the ball, played defense might be the

843
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: way we have to win. And so when coaches can

844
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: can understand that and kind of put egos aside and

845
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: just say, you know what, we're going to do what

846
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: it takes a win, I think that's an encouraging sign

847
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: and I do this on signing day.

848
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: By the way, I think they signed the either the

849
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: best or the second best receiver in Texas, like a

850
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: five star receiver, like he's resonating on the trail. It counts,

851
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: it does.

852
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: And so I have another one but also is in

853
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: the lone star state where I was. I was just

854
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of super down on Texas going to the season,

855
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: Like I thought they were going to win quite a

856
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: few games, but I just assumed they would continue to

857
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: lose a couple of games that they shouldn't lose, that

858
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: that would just prop you know, crop up again. And

859
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: they didn't. They lost Oklahoma in a very tight game,

860
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: and they kept it together. The rest of this, like

861
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: the K State game, was when the old Texas would

862
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: have easily lost.

863
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: If they had at least three games, the old Texas

864
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: would have lost definitely.

865
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm just I'm super impressed with Sark

866
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: and what they've done and the way they've developed play

867
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: Like they've got a bunch of guys that are gett

868
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: get drafted. Now they've got a bunch of younger guys

869
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: who are going to get drafted in a year or two.

870
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: Like that is they are building for what should be

871
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: a year in, year out successful program. And I guess

872
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: I was so jaded by the end of the Mac

873
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: Brown or the Charlie Strong years, the Tom Herman years.

874
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: I just assumed they were going to be same old,

875
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: same old, and I was wrong. And you know it

876
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: was part of it was not having a ton of

877
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: faith in Quinn Youewers. It's the same reason I picked

878
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: Washington to beat Texas in the Sugar Bowl. I actually

879
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: think that that problem solves itself anyway, either Quennewer is

880
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: going to be good or ars Manning is going to

881
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: be the guy. Right, So like, I will probably wind

882
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: up being very high on Texas going into this season

883
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: because it feels like they have proven me wrong on

884
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: all the things I was doubting them about.

885
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also don't have texas As schedule in front

886
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: of me. But the amount of change, the pure change

887
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: or the pure vulnerability in the SEC if you're a

888
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: team as talented as Texas makes the Horns super interesting

889
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: this year. So I think you're right.

890
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: More quotes, which is always fun. Quote. I'm heavy on Miami.

891
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: You brought the receipts you brought out in receipts. Yeah.

892
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: Quote, they're too talented to fail like they did last season.

893
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: Ended up seven and six with the Bowl lost to Rutgers.

894
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: But your week two was great, right, your week two

895
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: with the win over at Texas A and m you

896
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: chest puffin.

897
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: I was feeling myself. But seven and six, lost the

898
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: Bull to Rutgers. We talked more about Rutgers last episode

899
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 3: than we did Miami and now here we coming into

900
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: year three, the Mario crystal Ball era, Andy Dan where

901
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: I again, you know, like they got cam Ward. We're

902
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: excited about that, are we?

903
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: Maybe?

904
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 3: I don't all often I'm trying to talk nicely about

905
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: Miami football.

906
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: Again. I don't know why cam.

907
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: Ward makes for a great Twitter highlight. He really does.

908
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: But maybe the rest of the experience.

909
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 3: The recruiting under crystal Ball remains strong. They're obviously out

910
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: there in the portal. It seems like he's kicked up

911
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: a fair amount of dust. Now it is really just

912
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: a matter of putting the pieces in place and translating

913
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: that to wins.

914
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: Purely theoretical here, But if they take a knee against

915
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, how different is their season's true? I think

916
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: that had a lot to do with everything.

917
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: So the problem is, and again I consider myself a

918
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: bit of a Mario Cristoball expert after the years I

919
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: watched him. The problem is overtime against Virginia, Right. The

920
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: problem is like Miami just never looked like, oh, they

921
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: were like just seventeen points better than this average team.

922
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: Like they play up to and down to everybody, and

923
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: so like it's a competitive game against Florida State, a

924
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: team that arguably should have been in the playoff and

925
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: came down to it, and you can look at you

926
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: can defend it from a Florida State perspective that Miami

927
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: always gets up for these games. But you're getting up

928
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: to and down to with Mario Cristobal teams. And so

929
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: that's still the issue that like in terms of pure talent,

930
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: in terms of pure potential, Miami should be ten to

931
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: thirteen points better than Georgia Tech. They just should be,

932
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: and it's up to and down to every week. Well,

933
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: so that's the difficulty if you're a Tie hildon Brandt

934
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: type and saying they're too talented to do this, like

935
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: thank you, almost doesn't matter.

936
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't matter how talented they are. It just

937
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: matters how talented the other team is, right, because that's

938
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: who they're gonna play. Like, yep, Dan, what do you got?

939
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: I had Vanderbilt in a bowl game everybody after a

940
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: nice twenty twenty two that saw them beat what Florida

941
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: and Kentucky. I was like, Clarkley and these doors have

942
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: turned a corner. They're learning how to lose close wind,

943
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: close to whatever.

944
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: They're going to continue to grow. Spoiler alert, they did

945
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: not know.

946
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: They just and and one of the they're one of

947
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: those programs that's just going to be a big nil

948
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: and portal victim program that if they developed somebody like

949
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: Ray Davis, He's like, well what can I do with

950
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: this new cachet that I have? And it was go

951
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: to Kentucky. It looks strong for a month, and so

952
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: that's that's going to be the difficulty. Now we enter

953
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: into the Jerry Kill Diego Pavia era, and I'm going

954
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: to talk myself into the doors. That's just what I'm

955
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: going to do. But no, that was in retrospect pretty indefensible.

956
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: I do love the Diego pavia is now the quarterback

957
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: at Vanderbilt University. Yeah, the man who got in trouble

958
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: for taking a leak on the New Mexico Indoor football

959
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: facility logos as tribute to the rivalry between New Mexico

960
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: State and New Mexico is now Vanderbilt University started to

961
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: drive love that fire.

962
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 3: They need that and didn't he He had his helmet

963
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: twisted around on his head very early on in the.

964
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: Season too, which has also also happened.

965
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: So excited, So excited, But Jerry kill is arguably are

966
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: the closest thing this sport has, or one of the

967
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: closest things this sport has to like a chopped master champion.

968
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: Give him what ingredients He's going to pull out a

969
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: flambay in some kind of fashion.

970
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: What tattoo does he get if Vandy mex A Bowl

971
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four? Oh the anchor tramp stamp is move.

972
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: The anchor is down, anchor down? Baby? Yeah, Andy, what

973
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: do you got here? You got the other ones? Yeah,

974
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: I'll give you a good one. I was convinced Clemson

975
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: was was back. Oh yeah, that because because Lincoln Riley

976
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: made the difficult decision to fire Brandon Streeter and then

977
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: hires Garrett Riley. Think, okay, he is understanding that he's

978
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: gotten too insular. He needs to go outside, bring in

979
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: fresh blood. You know, you think about the hiring of

980
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: Chad Morris, the hiring of Brent Venables. Those are the

981
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: things that really launched Clemson into its its dominant era.

982
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, that this is this is a

983
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: willingness to show, hey, we've gotten a little too two insular.

984
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: We have to do something different. We have to think

985
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: outside the boss. And they look like the same old thing.

986
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: And now, like I've had already in my ear for

987
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: two years saying Clemson's not coming back to what it

988
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: was because Dabo's not willing to adapt, and I was like, no, see,

989
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: this is the willingness to adapt. It wasn't enough, like

990
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: you got it. You've got to start doing what everybody

991
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: else is doing. You have to use the transfer portal.

992
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: You can't just have glaring holes in your roster and

993
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: expect to beat the teams you're supposed to beat with

994
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: out filling them. And I always go back to the

995
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: Florida State game this year and I look, I'm not

996
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: saying Clemson would have gotten Keon Coleman had they tried

997
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: to get him when he came out of the portal,

998
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: but just theoretically, if you put Keon Coleman on Clemson

999
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: in that game, Clemson wins that game and wins the ACC. Yeah. Likely. Man.

1000
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: The Clemson thing is tough because you really have to

1001
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: start looking at them in a vacuum and not like

1002
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: well in twenty eighteen, like that doesn't exist.

1003
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: No, no, because they don't. They don't play by the

1004
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: same rules as everybody else anymore, right, And I'm not

1005
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: saying that they're an outlaw program saying that they're the

1006
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: ones that just refuse to change. And like you see

1007
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: how quickly all these other programs and not elite programs,

1008
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: but these other programs can fill the holes in their roster,

1009
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: can paper over some things that there would have been

1010
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: a problem in.

1011
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: The oldest receiver where like, yes, this reputation Dabbos goes

1012
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: back to his time as a receivers coach, and you're like,

1013
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: you see like the year over year, Ray Ray McLeod,

1014
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: Justin Ross T. Higgins, all these dudes and receivers like

1015
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: the position that you immediately get so much better at

1016
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: through the Plus, there's a case to be made that

1017
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: the moment Clemson stopped having those receivers who could go

1018
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: up and win fifty to fifty balls. That's the moment

1019
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: when it started to go a little bit downhill, just

1020
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: a little bit downhill, right, because they have not gone

1021
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 2: out there, they have not found those guys. There's also

1022
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: a case to be made that just like, philosophically, I know,

1023
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: we focus in on the transfer portal and not filling

1024
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: those roster gaps and what have you.

1025
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: But he went out there. I remember when he made

1026
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator move, Garrett Riley like, this is I

1027
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: heard it too, Andy, this is this is Dabbo being

1028
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: cold blooded, being exacting, dude, he is showing that killer instinct.

1029
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: The offense kind of looked the same, and it looks

1030
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: exactly the same. Yeah. Yeah, there wasn't.

1031
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: A whole lot of adaptation regardless of who was running it.

1032
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: And so it's like, whatever we make of the transfer

1033
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: portal and Dabbo's reallylationship with it and nil and all

1034
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: that stuff, those are going to get the headlines. But philosophically,

1035
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: there has been an unwillingness to change just across the

1036
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 3: board that I think we are seeing, especially so now

1037
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: without like a game breaker at quarterback, a game breaker

1038
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 3: at wide receiver, Like it's just it's becoming more evident now.

1039
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: And the defense hasn't even gotten that much worse. No,

1040
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: it stayed pretty good. Yeah, and I like the hires

1041
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: they made this year, So Matt Luke coaching the offensive line,

1042
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: Chris ro coaching the defensive line. Those guys are great, yep,

1043
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure it matters now. You need guys

1044
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: and you need to be willing.

1045
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Uh notre dame in Jared Parker and

1046
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: Sam Hartman.

1047
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: Should I do the thing I tried to tell.

1048
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: You, ty, Yeah, if your school is, if you're a

1049
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: major school, hiring a coordinator and nobody is trying to

1050
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: hire that coordinator, not a great eye.

1051
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: I remember when when they hired Jet, when they made

1052
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: it official, not Jared Parker, after everybody got done writing

1053
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: the news stories about he's got this relationship with Marcus Freeman.

1054
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 3: They used to carpool to work together at Purdue. After

1055
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: all of that had kind of cleared, I remember like

1056
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 3: just sort of asking around.

1057
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: People like, hey, does this you know, what's this gonna

1058
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: look like on offense now? And the overwhelming sentiment was

1059
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: it should look mostly the same. It should look mostly

1060
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: the same as last year. They're not going to do

1061
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: anything crazy.

1062
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: They're not gonna it's just gonna look a lot of

1063
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 3: the same and they're gonna be fine. They got Sam

1064
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 3: Hartman coming in receiver was always going to be an issue.

1065
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: That's not a surprise to anybody, But it just seemed

1066
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 3: as if it's gonna be plug and play with Hartman,

1067
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 3: They're gonna do a lot of the same stuff, and

1068
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: the offense's gonna be fine.

1069
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna work. It's gonna just trust us, it's gonna

1070
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,479
Speaker 1: be good. That didn't really you lost to the team.

1071
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 3: We just trashed, Yeah, yeah badly, badly by yeah badly.

1072
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: And so however, somebody's gonna need to do a thirty

1073
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: for thirty or a podcast limited run series on how

1074
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: they got Troy to take Jared Parker. But the Jared

1075
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: Parker experience was not pleasant and definitely frustrating for those

1076
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: of us who watch every Notre Dame snap and cheer

1077
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 3: on Notre Dame football. Like the Sam Hartman thing. I

1078
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: think I talked to you Dan about this, Like if

1079
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 3: you pro rate his performance against Drew Pines, it wasn't

1080
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: all that better, and like it just didn't work the

1081
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: way it was supposed to I'm not here to dunk

1082
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: on Marcus Freeman or Sam Hartman or Jared Parker.

1083
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: But I was wrong about that. I just assumed it

1084
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: would be a lot better than it was.

1085
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 2: I think I think we needed to pour cold water

1086
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: on you after like the NC State game.

1087
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: Ah, so kidding me, Well, I mean, let's let's remember

1088
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: he wasn't the first choice. I mean, the whole Andy

1089
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: Ludwig thing happened like that wasn't a fever dream like

1090
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: that was Andy Lidwig got a basketball game, and then

1091
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: it's like, oh crap, we didn't know what the buyout

1092
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: was and they didn't just pay the buyout. They didn't

1093
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: just pay the buyout. They ended up with Parker.

1094
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 3: It sort of felt like they wanted to hire Parker

1095
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: from the beginning, but had to at least look out

1096
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 3: Swear first to see what kind of interest there was

1097
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: in that position.

1098
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: They were calling Klein rumors.

1099
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: I remember, I just I just assumed that it would

1100
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 3: be better than it was. And I feel like the

1101
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 3: moment during the season when we all realized that it

1102
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: wasn't really that much better. It was just more a

1103
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 3: function of their schedule to that point. At that point,

1104
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: it was too late for me. It was like, well,

1105
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: I'm dead wrong.

1106
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: On this one game. That was that when when the

1107
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: Duke game get game, it was tough. The Duke game

1108
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: was tough.

1109
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: I've got an offensive one that I was so sure

1110
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: of and so excited, Like you probably needed a cold

1111
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: water up, poor cold water on me. I was positive

1112
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: Joe Milton was going to be an assassin in that

1113
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: system for Tennessee. Especially after the bowl game against Clemson.

1114
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I was on. I was on

1115
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: the Joe Milton pipe train after the Orange Bowl too.

1116
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: I was with you there.

1117
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: We all focused a little too much on this familiarity

1118
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 3: with the Tennessee system.

1119
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and well it's just giant arm in a

1120
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: system that loves a giant arm.

1121
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't really the it wasn't even the familiarity with

1122
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: the system. It was I watched him make a couple

1123
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: throws in the Orange Now, if I'd watched the Vanderbilt

1124
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: game closely the week before, I would have been completely

1125
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: turned off. But I watched a couple tight window throws

1126
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: in the Orange Bowl that worked so different than what

1127
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: I was used to seeing from Joe Milton when he

1128
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: played in games and he just looked more accurate. And

1129
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: that game was the ultimate fools gold. It was if

1130
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: you could play every game like this, you're gonna be awesome.

1131
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: But he hadn't played every game like that in the

1132
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: games that he'd started in the past, and he didn't

1133
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: play every game like that. And so you got the

1134
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Joe Melton experience that the people in Michigan saw, and

1135
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: you got the Joe Melton experience that they saw early

1136
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: on at Tennessee that caused them to switch sand Hooker.

1137
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, it actually ten standed up as like a

1138
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: rushing team. They became like they're like, oh, we need

1139
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: to just run it way more because these dudes seem

1140
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 2: to be more pro.

1141
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: The other thing, the other thing was Joe that I

1142
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: don't think I realize, and I don't think people appreciated

1143
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: Joe was not a great read option guy. No, like

1144
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: he did not. And I've asked quarterbacks about this because

1145
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand, like, how do you learn to know

1146
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: what when to pull the ball and when to let

1147
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: the back take it. I feel like that's just be

1148
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: very complicated. And when you ask quarterbacks who are good

1149
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: at it, they're like, I don't know why I know that.

1150
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: I just know that, and it is very instinctual. And

1151
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: so Joe did not have the instincts that Hindon had

1152
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: for that or that a lot of the quarterbacks who

1153
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: were really good at that have. Niko seems to have that.

1154
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: So like right there at Tennessee's offense, like if you

1155
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: want to buy stock in something, you would expect Tennesse

1156
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: the offense to improve just based on that the feel. Yeah,

1157
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: I agree.

1158
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: I also I thought Graham Heartz is going to be

1159
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: a disaster at Florida fully in the like fine, totally

1160
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: fine in like the Annie Etling zone of like, hey,

1161
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: this guy's fine.

1162
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: Great, great dude, by the way, and he's casey guy,

1163
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: very proud of his casey barbecue. Oh okay, very proud,

1164
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: staunch defender of the casey barbecue joints, sticky ribs, his uh,

1165
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: his iPhone camera roll very similar to mine, lots of

1166
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: pictures of barbecue in it. There you go, great, Andy,

1167
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: we got time for one more from you? Well, actually, Dan,

1168
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: you start rattling, I'm gonna I'm gonna find it. Because

1169
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: I was wrong on so much it's hard to identify

1170
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: fair individuals that's fair. So you you go ahead.

1171
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, Harold Perkins, Mason Smith, big time

1172
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: transfers in the defensive back the LT's US defense. Can't

1173
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: miss baby. They missed, They definitely missed this year. I

1174
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: have uh sleeper dangerous wazoo on here in the PAC twelve,

1175
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: two and seven of the conference. Not sleeper, not dangerous.

1176
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: I remember that through for a bunch of yards in Eugene.

1177
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: I remember that we had like on Liberty. Liberty ended

1178
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: up representing the G five in the New Year six Bowls,

1179
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: and so they rode an advantageous schedule but a really

1180
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: fun offense with Jamie Chadwell. They won a bunch of games,

1181
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: they won Conference USA, and they're your G five rep.

1182
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: Just that was being wrong by ignoring. I have a

1183
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: quote from you.

1184
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 3: If you want to hear that, please quote the Iowa

1185
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: offense can't possibly get any worse and quote.

1186
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 2: I did say that. I did say that, yeah, and

1187
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: I thought, what did I call it? We called it

1188
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: the Farns fluff up, that they would just like run

1189
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: a train on Utah State to inflate the average to

1190
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: get Nope.

1191
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry all these sexual references to Iowa's offense just

1192
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: do not compete with me.

1193
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: So I was wrong. I was wrong on Iowa's offense

1194
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: not being able to well. Also, I saw like Eric

1195
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: all Kde McNamara, and I think both those guys got

1196
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: hurt pretty early on right, that's.

1197
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: Right, I'll go, I'll go close to home. I predicted

1198
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: my alma mater would be seven and five one up

1199
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: five and seven Florida. The reason I said seven and

1200
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: five is I expected an increase in basic competency by Florida,

1201
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: and you saw some sloppiness mistakes in that first season,

1202
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: and I was quickly disabused of this game one when

1203
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: Florida's like shotting out ten guys on the field for

1204
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: certain things, guys are wearing the same number on the

1205
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: field at the same time, Like they just started sloppy

1206
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: and stayed sloppy. They had multiple situations throughout the year

1207
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: where they would put ten guys out on the field

1208
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: goal block team. Like the core competency never got better.

1209
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: And let's put it this way, I'm not expecting an

1210
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: improvement in that department because I don't see, you know,

1211
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: based on what's even though they've made some staff changes,

1212
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't see enough to suggest that the overarching problem

1213
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: is going to be fixed.

1214
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: But the big question now is where's DJ lagwag going

1215
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: to transfer to a big stop.

1216
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: Dan, let these people have their hope for a few months.

1217
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: Get I was.

1218
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: I was dead to rights on Oklahoma State before the season.

1219
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 3: I had them dead direct.

1220
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay on Oklahoma State. This is a team

1221
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: that got blown out by South Alabama and then suddenly

1222
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: was one of the best teams in the Bigging I was.

1223
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: I have had this flip flopping relationship with Oklahoma State

1224
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 3: all season long, all for the last three years. Frankly,

1225
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: before the season, I had quote, if everything pops and

1226
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State hits the over and wins eight or nine games,

1227
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: then dot dot dot. So I was like, I'm gonna

1228
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 3: give myself partial credit for Oklahoma State because before the

1229
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 3: season I was really down on them. After the bye

1230
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 3: week when they beat I think Kansas State on a

1231
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: Friday night, Yeah, on a Friday night, I was picking

1232
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State every week, and I think I did so

1233
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 3: all the way up until maybe the Big twelve Championship game,

1234
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 3: right I was. I was in on Oklahoma State from

1235
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: that point forward. So I am still very bearish on

1236
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: Alahoma State long term. But I need to call myself

1237
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: out because I was really down on this program and

1238
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: ended up playing ten games and made it to the Big.

1239
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: I was out on Mike Gundhy, and now I think

1240
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm back in because he was one I was sure

1241
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: was not going to adapt and was going to just

1242
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: let it all fall apart. He's adapting, Like did you

1243
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 1: notice what his transfer portal philosophy was for his own

1244
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: team during the bowl season, Like, oh, you want to

1245
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: enter the portal? Okay, that's cool, just make it a

1246
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: practice like his own son transferred out. He got rid

1247
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: of his own son, right. So I am actually now

1248
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of turning the corner on Gundy because I never

1249
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: doubted Mike Gundy as an on field coach, still don't,

1250
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: but I was not sure what was going to happen

1251
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: in terms of program management with all these changes, because

1252
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: he didn't seem to be willing to adapt. I do

1253
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: think he's probably being more adaptable than giving him credit for.

1254
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: So I am now back open to the possibility of

1255
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: localhom and State being successful in the new Big twelve.

1256
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 3: Okay, the only other one I have here, Dan is

1257
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 3: I was all in on Kansas State over eight and

1258
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: a half. Yeah, and my quote was, I think they've

1259
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: got one of the three easiest schedules in the conference.

1260
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 3: They might have the best coach in the conference. I

1261
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: sung the praises of the Wildcats. Meanwhile, sort of panned

1262
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: the losses of duce Vaughan and Maliknoles, so to say, he's

1263
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: like a great in retrospect.

1264
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: Duce Vaughan was even better than we gave him credit for.

1265
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: But here here's the thing about them, guys, Like you're

1266
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: talking about a very tight situation at Missouri, yeah, where

1267
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: they easily could have won that game and probably should

1268
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: have beaten Texas. So I don't think you were that

1269
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: far off.

1270
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't far I mean, they won eight games, so

1271
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 3: it wasn't or won eight games in the regular season,

1272
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: So I wasn't that far off. Yeah, but I was.

1273
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 3: I was so sure on k State. I think that's

1274
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 3: why I'm saying I was wrong. It's a little bit

1275
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 3: like the Oklahoma State thing, where I know what I

1276
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 3: said at the start of the year, and I know,

1277
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 3: like I wasn't that far off base, but to my core,

1278
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: in my marrow, I.

1279
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: Did not believe in Oklahoma State.

1280
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: To my core in my marrow, I thought K State

1281
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 3: could win ten games, and you know, definitely overlooked the

1282
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: fact that they had lost two of their most key contributors.

1283
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: To pile up on though to ties wrong this. Do

1284
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: you know how hard it is to give up forty

1285
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: two points to Iowa State in the snow?

1286
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: I know, difficult game. That game made no sense, I know,

1287
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: no sense whatsoever. But let me ask you guys. Yeah,

1288
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: because I am all in on Avery Johnson. So Dan,

1289
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: I am. I am all in Like I'm pitching K State.

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Speaker 1: It's either K State or Utah for me to win.

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Speaker 1: We want this year put Yeah, let's go Hawk Harrelson

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Speaker 1: twice here. Oh, we're just we're just preparing for my

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Speaker 1: See this is good. I'll be more prepped when you're

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Speaker 1: bringing back next year as the wrong cologist. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I was all in on it, John Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Avery Johnson was so fun in limited opportunity this year,

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Speaker 2: and like package situations and then has work to do,

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Speaker 2: I think as a passer, but that's the Bowl game,

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Speaker 2: and I don't fully take Bowl results and situations terribly

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Speaker 2: seriously anymore. But the best of Avery Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I am ready to be heard again, Ty, Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: ready to be heard again. Yeah. Absolutely. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: of wrongness for one episode, Tie, mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: I think we've definitely confessed to our sins here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: on the episode. It is an occupational hazard, but it

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Speaker 3: is required in the shadow of the season to at

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Speaker 3: least reflect a little bit on what we were right about,

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Speaker 3: what we were in this case wrong about.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how many puns I came up with

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Speaker 2: for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Tie, you you came up with a lot.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even touched the surface. I came up with

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Speaker 2: college football raw puns. Like I was prepared to call

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Speaker 2: you the wrong pain for your Alabama pick over Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I was ready to you know, wrong Bellamy, wrong Ebell

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Speaker 2: for Michigan picks. I was fully and I just said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, that's a little much to try to

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Speaker 2: squeeze into each wrong element.

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Speaker 1: So I opted out. But I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: when you asked the question, do you know how many

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Speaker 1: when you ask a question, do you know how many

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Speaker 1: puns they came up with?

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Speaker 3: It?

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Speaker 1: It was gonna be like two wrong cologists and wintern Is.

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Speaker 1: Apparently there's a list.

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Speaker 2: Of like there's a whole list of like I was,

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Speaker 2: I was considering wrong Burgundy for your Alabama pick. I

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Speaker 2: was ready for a lie and I was like, you

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Speaker 2: know what this is Dan just smashing too much into

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Speaker 2: the episode and I pulled back time.

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Speaker 3: The cutting room floor. Here I feel guilty. I didn't

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Speaker 3: even mention Andy Staples show. Andy Staples on three are

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Speaker 3: doing a marvelous job grinding even in the off season.

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Speaker 3: What is the off season been like? The quote unquote

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Speaker 3: off season been like for you? Have you had a

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Speaker 3: chance to recalibrate and catch your breath a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Non existent because we were to do a show just

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Speaker 1: like this and we've never even gotten around to it.

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Speaker 1: Because some new stuff happens pretty much every day, Like

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Speaker 1: you have the transfer portal going crazy. Now you have

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Speaker 1: all the legal stuff, which it's hard for me because

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Speaker 1: I know that the audience does not necessarily care about

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But the stuff that's going on now is

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Speaker 1: so big. I'm like, guys, you're gonna want to care

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Speaker 1: here because it will affect what things look like in

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Speaker 1: the future, Like this Tennessee and Virginia versus the Intel

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Speaker 1: a case like that's a big deal, and so it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things like we're having a law professor on, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the show. And but it's there has been

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Speaker 1: no discernible offseason, and I'm looking at it like like

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm texting with sports information directors saying, hey, can we

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Speaker 1: get your coach on? Can we get some players on?

1353
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: And they're like, all right, well we'll be starting spring

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Speaker 1: practice in two weeks, so yeah, let's get going.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing, Andy Staples. Always a pleasure to have you,

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Speaker 3: doctor Andrew Staples. Forgive me pleasure to have you on.

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Speaker 3: A wrong coologist of your stature is hard to come by.

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Speaker 3: I know you're very busy, so thank you for contributing

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Speaker 3: to our show here. Don't forget one and all. Make

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 3: sure you hit subscribe or follow wherever it is you

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01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: get your podcasts, and of course check us out on

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01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 3: Patreon at verballers dot com. Dan Rubinstein, I think that's

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Speaker 3: all we got for this episode. It's all I have

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Speaker 3: for that guy there, Dan, for myself tie for a

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Speaker 3: guest of honor, doctor Andy Staples.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to y'all soon. Stay solid, peace,