1 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to Prime Cuts with me Colin Coward, we'll bring 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: you the top clips from the past week. On the podcast, 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Bob cost Us on the state of baseball and NBC's 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: plans for Drew Brees Hall of Fame exact. Bill Polian 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: on the seventeen game season he says it changes things, 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: and the Russell Wilson situation. Chad Millman talks NCAA tournament betting, 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: and I also talked to Alex Hanold, the climber from 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: Free Solo, who's absolutely fascinating. But first my top takes 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: of the week. We have different addictions in this country. 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Everybody's addicted to different things, phones, drugs, fatty foods, or Netflix. 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: There is one addiction we all have in common. We're 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: addicted to more. No matter how much we get of anything, 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: we demand a little extra sixteen regular season NFL games. No. 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: At another. From a business perspective, I get the move. 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: It makes business sense. However, in any business, when you 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: give people too much of a certain product, you dilute it. 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: It becomes less special, less of an event. This happened 18 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: to baseball. Ratings used to be huge. You'd get a 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: couple of games a week, naturally, fans wanted more. Oh 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: good God, did baseball give it to them all? One 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two games of all the teams. Now 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: games are no longer special, especially if you're a Pirates fan, 23 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: then it's never special. How about college Bowl games? I've 24 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: got a general rule. When a Credit Union is your sponsor, 25 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: it's time to scale back. It leads me back to 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: the NFL. I know that right now. Fans love it. 27 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: But part of why we love it is it's Sunday 28 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: and Monday. You add a few more games. Every team 29 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: gets one more. It feels now limitless. I like dessert, 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: but I don't think I should eat ice cream every meal. 31 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: There is such a thing as too much more often 32 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: becomes less. I've seen it for forty years, except, of course, 33 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: if we're talking more terrific volume content. I've got two 34 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: quarterback thoughts. Number One, the Niners move up to number 35 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: three in the draft. Obviously, you don't move up and 36 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: give away those picks to draft an offensive lineman or 37 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: a receiver. They're taking a quarterback. Listen, Jimmy g Keeping 38 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: him makes sense. It's a win win if he does 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: stay healthy, which he rarely does. San Francisco is gonna 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: win games and his trade value goes up. You could 41 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: move him at the trade deadline, or keep him and 42 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: just keep winning and give the Era Apparent think Mahomes 43 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,559 Speaker 1: and Alex Smith a year to figure out the complex 44 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan system, or Jimmy g inevitably gets hurt. You 45 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: have an elite quarterback talent you can turn and release 46 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: into the game, and Jimmy g at the end of 47 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: the year by Cia, almost no dead money my second 48 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: quarterback thought. The team on the outside looking in now 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: is Carolina. There's already been multiple stories they'd like to 50 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: move off Teddy Bridgewater. The problem is the Jags, the Jets, 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: and the Niners are taking quarterbacks, and Atlanta, unfortunately for Carolina, 52 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: an Indivision rival, has the number four pick. They're not 53 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: making a deal with Carolina. They're not going to get 54 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: one of the top four quarterback talents. And Matt Rule 55 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: is a very smart offensive coach, and the owner is 56 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: a hyper aggressive guy who has no interest. He flushed 57 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: out everybody, including capable Ron Rivera. He flushed out everybody. 58 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: He's inpatient. He wants to win. He's not waiting another 59 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: year for a quarterback. What does this mean? Keep your 60 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: eye on Sam Darnold. He's the opposite of Teddy Bridgewater. 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Matt Rule got frustrated with Teddy Bridgewater's lack of athleticism 62 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: and his lack of arm strength. Darnold's a bigger, stronger athlete, 63 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: highly mobile, and a better arm and he's only twenty three, 64 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: so you can build around him and don't have to 65 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: pay him for a year as you continue to rebuild 66 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: that roster. Some thoughts on baseball's opening day. Some of 67 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: the sentimental folk out there think it's the right time 68 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: to celebrate our national pastime. My favorite pastime, though, is 69 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: pointing out what's wrong with sports and then offering my 70 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: sage advice on how to fix it. Three ways baseball 71 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: can improve. There's nine and twenty seven different ways. For 72 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: time will do three Number one eliminate the defensive shift. 73 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: In other sports, we have areas on the field or 74 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: court where players are not allowed to go for extended periods. 75 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: Soccer and hockey the goalcrease, football, the neutral zone NBA 76 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: the three second rule for defensive players. Major League Baseball 77 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: should institute rules to limit the number of players on 78 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: a given side of the field. More offense, more base runners, 79 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: more plays at the plate, more action. That leads me 80 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: to my second fix, lower the mound. Pitchers are bigger 81 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: than ever. Go back to nineteen fifty, the average pitcher 82 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: was six feet tall and one hundred eighty nine pounds. 83 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: He's now closer to sixty three or six four and 84 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: over two hundred bigger guy, meaning his release point closer 85 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: to the plate. You have to do something to offset 86 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: this change, and since you can't cut off a guy's feet, 87 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: at least try lowering the mound. On the subject of 88 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: shortening things, let's start with a season. Urgency makes everything better. 89 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: The only urgency is fighting out when to leave the 90 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: stadium and beat the traffic. One hundred sixty two games. Really, 91 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: baseball is a warm weather game. We don't need it 92 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: in April, and we don't need it in November. Ever 93 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: been plunked on the hands with a baseball in a 94 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: wintery day, You know what I'm talking about. Make the 95 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: season one hundred and twenty games, end the moment it 96 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: gets chilly and get out of the way of the 97 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: more popular sports like the NFL and college football. Bob 98 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: Costas now joins US broadcaster for NBC Sports for an 99 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: early forty years. Twenty eight. Emmys now calls games for 100 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: the Major League Baseball Network and serves as a contributor 101 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: to CNN. I have this conversation and I'm you know, 102 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: I kind of have my sports theories is that as 103 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: basketball and soccer, most are nonsensical. But nonetheless, if you 104 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: look at baseball in America and basketball, the talent pool 105 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: is so much greater and they are very international. Football 106 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: remains very domestic. It's a very linear product. I watched 107 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: my high school player go to Ohio State. He plays 108 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: four years, he goes to the Cleveland Browns. It's a 109 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: very simple sport. And although baseball and basketball the quality 110 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: are Hockey, the quality of the international players has so elevated, 111 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, the quality of players, but 112 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: it is more complex. And when Steve Jobs took over 113 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: Apple for the second time, he went to his team 114 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: and he said, this is too complicated for the consumer. 115 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: I want four great products, and that football is simpler, 116 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: more domestic, one game a week, and that the international. 117 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm a baseball guy at heart, That's what I wanted 118 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: to be. Football, though, gets a number. It's a simpler 119 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: viewing consumer experience, and I don't know how to reconcile that. 120 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: But that's why I talk sixty eight percent football, even 121 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: though my heart as a kid was in baseball. I 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: don't know what you do as a sport, because I 123 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: do think international talent elevates everything. But when a guy 124 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: like me sets and lives for football, what's the answer 125 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: to that or is it just an unsolvable issue that 126 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: the NFL, like the English Premier League in Europe, is 127 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: just going to get more talk. I'm going to differ 128 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: with your theory in this respect. I don't think the 129 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: almost entirely domestic rosters of football, as opposed to the 130 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: international rosters increasingly in basketball and certainly in hockey and baseball, 131 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the factor. I think the other factor, 132 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: which you mentioned is almost the entire thing, which is 133 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: that football plays once a week, sixteen games that count 134 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: and soon to be seventeen, and every one of them 135 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: counts for a lot, and most of the games, although 136 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: increasingly they'll play on Monday nights and Thursday nights and 137 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: whatever else, essentially the games are on Sunday and at 138 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: a time of the year when under normal circumstances, not 139 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: COVID circumstances. People tend in most of the country to 140 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: be at home, to be indoors. It gets dark earlier, 141 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: they settle in for a Sunday of watching football. It 142 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: televises extremely well. It's segmented. It's not like a guy 143 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: gets up at bat and hits a bunch of foul balls. 144 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: First down, second down. Even if it doesn't result in 145 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: a touchdown, there's something that happens. The drive either is 146 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: concluded or it continues. You get the first down. The 147 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: way it plays out on television, you can have a 148 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: replay in between it. Therefore, it doesn't seem like it's 149 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: a dead period of time. You're not watching people huddle 150 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: and then return or meander to the line of scrimmage. 151 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: The clock ticks along. Baseball was always the baseball's advantage 152 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: when it had the appropriate leisurely pace that there was 153 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: no clock. Now there are sometimes when you say, oh 154 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: my gosh, even if I'm a baseball fan, when is 155 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: this going to end? Football owns television. Television bends over 156 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: backwards for football. Football is able to accommodate cable while 157 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: still maintaining its dominant presence on over the air TV. 158 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Baseball has become a regional sport on television. In a 159 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: normal season, it does very very well on the regional 160 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,239 Speaker 1: sports networks. But the baseball game of the week on Saturdays, 161 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: when I was doing it with Tony Kubeck and Vin 162 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: and Joe were doing it on NBC, that would often 163 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: get a double digit rating on a Saturday afternoon. And 164 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: World Series games got ratings consistently in the mid twenties 165 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: and when it got to Game six or seven in 166 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: the thirties. Forgive me if I'm going on too long here, 167 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: as I sometimes have the trending Sea To two nineteen 168 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: eighty six, the Mets and Red Sox, which we were 169 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: talking about before what was to have been Game seven 170 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: got rained out on Sunday night, so the game is 171 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: played on Monday night against Washington and the Giants on 172 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: Monday Night football. That football game got a single digit 173 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: rating and the baseball game got like a thirty five 174 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: or a thirty six. Now, if you offered baseball a 175 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: rating of fifteen for almost any World Series game, we're 176 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: not counting the Cubs breaking through for the first time 177 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: since nineteen o eight. That was something out of the ordinary. 178 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: But these days said to say, there are World Series 179 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: games that get single digit ratings. More recently, in the nineties, 180 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: when the NBA was on NBC and this isn't a 181 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: hometown call. Same thing was true when they were on 182 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: CBS and the eighties, in the Bird Magic era and 183 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: the Jordan era. In the nineties, those games were on 184 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: a full fledged network before television became as fractionalized as 185 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: it is now. What basketball has done and I'm sure 186 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: it was financially the right decision to make, But essentially, 187 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: the NBA is a cable sport and even when you 188 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: watch the games on ABC, as good as Mike Green 189 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: is as a play by playmat you're thinking, well, this 190 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: is the same thing I just saw on ESPN. It 191 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: doesn't feel as big. Not Mike's fault. He's a terrific 192 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: announcer and there's never been a better studio show in 193 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: American TV sports. It's then Ernie Johnson, Shaq, Kenny Smith 194 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: and Charles Barkley on TBS. It's fantastic or into a TNT, 195 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: whichever it is. But because it's a cable sport, that's 196 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: part of the reason when people talk about Lebron versus Jordan. 197 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: To the casual person, Lebron may be equally excellent, there's 198 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: nowhere near He's remotely as impactful. In popular culture. Little 199 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: old ladies from Omaha who didn't know a pick and 200 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: roll from a foul show wanted to watch Michael Jordan. 201 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: The promos for the games were on R and David 202 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: Letterman and Johnny Carson on The Today Show and Brocause 203 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: newscasts and Seinfeld. It was central to what was going on. 204 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: Now football has been able to maintain that centrality, whereas hockey, 205 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: basketball and baseball on a national basis, not a local basis, 206 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: but a national basis. They're essentially cable sports. 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Age and location 226 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: restrictions apply seefanduel dot com for terms in condition. How 227 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: does a intellectual baseball fan bob you reconcile the fact 228 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: that a lot of analytics are bad optics baseball has 229 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: fewer hits. Is there analytically a place where you can 230 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: push back in baseball and not be called a dullard 231 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: pushback in analytics? Well, I'm not trying to label myself 232 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: as nostradamis. But years and years ago I said on 233 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: the air, I've said it many times. What's good What 234 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: analytics tells us is good for gaining a winning edge 235 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: is definitely not good for baseball as an entertainment product, 236 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: and I think that that is now the consensus, and 237 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: the best evidence of that is that theo Epstein has 238 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: gone from building the Red Sox and the Cubs into 239 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: Baseball's front office, and his job is to try and 240 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: recon style these two things. His job and effect is 241 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: to be doctor Frankenstein now telling the rest of the 242 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: world how they can capture the monster and get him 243 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: under control, the monster he helped to create. So they're 244 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: talking about outlawing shifts and some of these things, as 245 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, they're experimenting with at various levels of the 246 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: minor leagues. You have to have at least two defenders 247 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: on either side of second base. Perhaps he can't have 248 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: an infielder with any part of his feet on the outfield. 249 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: Grass have to be on the dirt. There's talk of 250 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: a twenty second pitch clock or whatever the number is. 251 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it's eighteen seconds. They'll figure it out with nobody 252 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: on base, limiting how many times a guy can step 253 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: out of the box. I think it would be very 254 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: helpful if they eliminated all video except for replay of 255 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: potentially reviewable calls. All video during the game the players 256 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: are screaming blue bloody murder. The reason and they suspended 257 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: it last year was that they were trying to deal 258 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: with the aftermath of the Astros cheating scandal. But so 259 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: many players are reviewing video constantly during the course of 260 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: the game, and all this information is in their heads. 261 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: This is why guys step out of the batter's box constantly. 262 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: Even after taking ball one and nothing has happened, they 263 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: step out of the batter's box and now they're reviewing. 264 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: What's the difference now in my approach with the count 265 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: one and oh since that was ball one instead of 266 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: oh and one, since it wasn't called strike one. You know, 267 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: this is not a chess match. This is not Boris 268 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: Spassky versus Bobby Fishing. For god's sake, let's get it 269 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: going here. I think Chris Collinsworth is excellent and I 270 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: don't consider age an issue. And I was sort of 271 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: the fuddled when your former employer NBC went with Drew 272 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: Brees and I thought to myself, I don't think he's 273 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: going to be an expert in curling. I don't buy 274 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: the Olympic connection, and I don't hear about his opinion 275 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: about Badger Football. I thought to myself, if I was 276 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth, I'd think I'm pretty good here. Yeah. Yeah, 277 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I didn't get it. I don't 278 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: think the symbolism is great. You know NBC better than 279 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: anybody I've ever met. Are you comfortable just explaining why 280 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: they did it and what you make of it? Well, 281 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: I was gone at the time that those discussions and 282 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: ultimately that agreement took place, so I'm not privy to 283 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: exactly what went on, but I'm guessing that their thought was, Look, 284 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: Drew Brees is going to be in a hot commodity. 285 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: We can use them with Tariico on Notre Dame games, 286 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: we can use him in the studio people who want 287 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: to watch him. And if if the team of michaelst 288 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: and Collinsworth as there's always a possibility because what the 289 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: NFL does. They always move things around. They've always got 290 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: one little piece that's out there that's up forbid, and 291 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: there always seems to be at least one network that 292 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: doesn't quite have its situation settled. That's ESPN slash ABC 293 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: at the moment. So is it possible that Michael's and 294 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: Collinsworth and I'm not saying this is the case. I'm 295 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: not giving any inside knowledge. Is just an obvious thing 296 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: you can speculate about that. If Al does not want 297 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: to have his career end with the next Super Bowl 298 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: on NBC, and Tarko is his obvious successor, and he's very, 299 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: very capable, if there's a package deal for Al and 300 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: Chris someplace, then Tarico and Breeze would already have been 301 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: a partnership that the public would be familiar with, and 302 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: they would have found their on air chemistry, at least 303 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: in theory, and they'd be able to step right in. 304 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: And if Al either retires or Al goes someplace else 305 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: but Chris wants to stay, then they've got to decide 306 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: whether they want to keep Chris with Mike Tarico, which 307 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: is what I would do, give them what all the 308 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: equity Chris has and he hasn't lost anything from his peak, 309 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: or if they want to decide, well, you know, we 310 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: don't want to pay all these salaries. Drew Bees can 311 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: take care of that. It's often a cold business, no 312 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: matter what, no matter what you have done, in the end, 313 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: it is a business, all right. We bring on. Bill 314 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: Pollian won a Super Bowl rebuilding the Colts, he was 315 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: a great Cup champ. He was a six time NFL 316 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: Executive of the Year and a Pro Football Hall of 317 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Fame inductee in twenty fifteen. He began his career as 318 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: a scout for the Chiefs, then a pro personnel director 319 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: for Buffalo, into a GM job with the Bills and 320 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: built a multi time Super Bowl competing football team. He 321 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: then became a GM acrolina, then onto the Colts, where 322 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: he drafts Peyton Manning and the rest is history. My 323 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: friend Bill Pollian joined us. Now, all right, Bill, we're 324 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: gonna go to seventeen games. Doesn't surprise you, doesn't surprise anybody, 325 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: So let's just start with an easy one. Does it 326 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: change anything as a general manager go into seventeen games 327 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: from sixteen? Yeah, it does. You're gonna have to think 328 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: about how you rest the guys during the season, especially 329 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: if you're a playoff team, because that one extra game 330 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: with sixty five to seventy five plays is a lot 331 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: to put on them. So as you could come down 332 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: the stretch from Thanksgiving Day on, you're gonna have to 333 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: think about resting guys. You know, there's always this saying 334 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: in the NBA there is no equal value. If you 335 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: trade a shack, you try to get draft picks, you 336 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: try to get some currently capable players. I mean, if 337 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: you had to move a Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson, 338 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean, let's just take Russell. What is equal value? 339 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean, where would your starting point be if I 340 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: called and I'm a GM and I say, Bill, I'm 341 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: willing to make a move. What would your starting point 342 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: be with Russell Wilson? Well, you already know it's three 343 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: ones because the forty nine ers gave up three ones 344 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: and a two to come up and take a guy 345 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: who's never taken a snap in the National Football League. 346 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: And if it's Trey Lance, he's taken sixteen at the 347 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: college level. So what the heck would you offer would 348 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: you demand from Russell Wilson who's probably got at least 349 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: eight to nine more good years in him, So, for 350 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: goodness sake, it would take a king's ransom. That's point 351 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: one point two. Who's gonna play quarterback for the Seahaws 352 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: because he's not? And is this a franchise that's ready 353 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: to fold the tent like the Houston Rockets and say 354 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: we don't care, We're gonna put any bunch of no 355 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: names out on the court just because Harden wants to leave, 356 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: and we'll sacrifice the whole year. That's not We don't 357 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: do that in the National Football League to begin with. 358 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: And second of all, a team like the Seahawks, I 359 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: can't imagine they would ever do thing like that. So, 360 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, you get into into the world of never 361 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: never Land when you compare the NBA, which is totally different. 362 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: NBA teams are willing to say will be will be awful, 363 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: We'll just be terrible, And at some point we'll gamble 364 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: that these all these draft choices that we got we'll 365 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: connect and if they don't, we'll be bad for six 366 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: or seven years. Philadelphia seventy six ers, you know better 367 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: than I, but I'm guessing it's been at least six 368 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: years since they started the process and they have admitted 369 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: the finals yet, right right, that's what you're looking at. 370 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: Worse in the NFL, if you let Russell Wilson go 371 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: and you don't replace him with someone who's equally good 372 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: or closely equally good, it's hard to find someone who's 373 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: equally good. You know, what are you looking at? Let's 374 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: segue Bill to the draft, of which you were very 375 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: more than capable. A lot of your Hall of Fame 376 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: credentials come on the fact you drafted the right stars. 377 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: You took Peyton Manning overall nineteen ninety eight. There is 378 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: a sense for two two years now that Trevor Lawrence 379 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: has been can't miss. Go back to Peyton's Tennessee volunteer success. 380 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: Was it like Trevor Lawrence? Was it a can't miss? 381 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: Did you have any concerns with Peyton whatsoever? Going in? 382 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: When I got to Indianapolis, there was anything but can't miss. 383 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: I took a vote among the scouting staff and it 384 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 1: was fifty fifty. Fifty percent wanted Ryan Leaf, fifty percent 385 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: wanted Peyton Manning. The people that wanted Ryan Leaf really 386 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: disliked Peyton Manning for a lot of different reasons. The 387 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: people that liked Peyton Manning liked him, but where they 388 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: didn't hate Leaf necessarily. So, if anything, he was he was, 389 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: if not second bananas, certainly not the overwhelming choice that 390 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: people now have the amnesia and they think that he was. 391 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: He was like the coleps and kid not at all, 392 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: not at all. There was there was nitpicking and grousing 393 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: about he didn't have a strong arm, and he was 394 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: a product of the system and he couldn't win the 395 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: big one and blah blah blah blah blah. So and 396 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: that went on even even in his NFL career until 397 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: we finally beat New England and in the championship game 398 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: went on to win the Super Bowl. So, no, it's 399 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: an entirely different situation. What was your epiphany or the moment, 400 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: the drive in your car, the moment in your office 401 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: looking at film, What was the decisive moment you decided 402 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: to select Peyton. It was actually meeting with him twice, 403 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: once in uh once in in uh Um at the 404 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: Combine where he essentially came in and interviewed us for 405 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, which was which was great. We saw him 406 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: how invested he was in in learning about our offense 407 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: and what we were trying to do. And then at 408 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: his private workout at the University of Tennessee, I think 409 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: Coach Morris said to him, look, Peyton, if we draft you, 410 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: you can't come in until a week or five days 411 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: after the draft, but we'll expect you there and then 412 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: and he said, I'll be there to day after the draft. 413 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: And I said, well, Peyton, the league won't allow it. 414 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: He said, I don't care. I'll be there you figure 415 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: out how to do it. So we thought, you know, 416 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: we got something special here. Trey Lance. Not a lot 417 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: of starts. He is in a He's in kind of 418 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: the Alabama of his level of football. They did ask 419 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: him to call protections in college. Humble kid, big size, 420 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: jumps off the tape. He is a big, strong athlete. 421 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: But you look at the starts. You know, Parcel's old 422 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: rule got out so many stars. I covered a Keiley 423 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: Smith and Oregon Bill. I would have been anything. He 424 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: would have succeeded. He could move, he had a beautiful arm, 425 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: he threw a catchable ball. He picked up Oregon's complex 426 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: system and it didn't work. He didn't have enough starts. 427 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: Trey Lance, Are you worried about how little he's played? Absolutely, 428 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: because I subscribe to the Parcels Axe gam just as 429 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: you do. Thirty starts win percentage, you know. But I 430 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: don't wish the kid ill North, though I wish Mitch 431 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: Trubisky ill. I'm glad that he landed in Buffalo, and 432 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad that he has a sabbatical year to work 433 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: with Brian Dable and work in an offense that suited 434 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,239 Speaker 1: to his talents. But we need to admit as we 435 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: analyze the National Football League draft that when it comes 436 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: to quarterbacks, we have unfortunately become the NBA. We are 437 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: drafting one and duns based on physical potential alone. That's it. 438 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: And they're so valuable because it's true that unless you 439 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: have one of those elite quarterbacks are close to elite, 440 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to win the Super Bowl or 441 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: even get there. You know, of all the fifty five 442 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowls, the overwhelming majority have been won by elite quarterbacks. 443 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: So you need that guy. And people say, okay, we'll 444 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: roll the dice. The numbers tell us we shouldn't go 445 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: anywhere near a quarterback who has less than thirty starts 446 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: at the collegiate level. That there's you know that there's 447 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: a high propensity for failure. There the heck with it. 448 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: If he looks like he has the talent, go ahead 449 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: and make the pick. And that's what's occurred. It's just 450 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: it's the NBA one and done, take a chance. Chief 451 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: content officer for the Action Network and co host of 452 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: the Favorites podcast, My Buddy Chad Milman now joins US. So, 453 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: as you know, I'm a Zag's homer. Mark Fuse a 454 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: buddy of mine and close, probably my closest friend in coaching. 455 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: And so I had this really really restless night's sleep. 456 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, USC is a bad matchup. They're big, they're 457 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna make Timmy struggle, They're going to slow it down. 458 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: Andy Udfield's a good coach. And then six minutes in, 459 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, thank god. Nothing. Is Gonzaga a hard 460 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: or an easy team to bet on? How do you 461 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: view them easy? You know, every year when the tournament 462 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 1: comes around, as a person in the betting space who 463 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: was always trying to say, I found the edge on 464 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: this team, or you think about this when you're betting 465 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: on college basketball, or this is the coach who everybody 466 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: is afraid to play. And by the way, Calvin Sampson 467 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: is one of those coaches. Gonzaga is one of those 468 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: teams where the only way you looked smart was by 469 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: saying Gonzaga is amazing. Like there is no trick to 470 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: betting them, You just bet them. They were dominant from 471 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: the get go. They were dominant against good teams. The 472 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: idea that they weren't going to perform well in the 473 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: tournament because they were playing in a weaker conference. Was 474 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 1: completely out of sync with having seen them play, understanding 475 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: their program, believing that Mark Few has built something over 476 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: twenty years that is sustainable and now draws in so 477 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: many good athletes and so many good players that they 478 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: are really like interchangeable in basketball. Did LaMarcus Aldridge to 479 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: the Nets or Aaron Gordon to Denver or Andre Drummond 480 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: to the Lakers move the Needland betting at all? Well? Yeah, 481 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: because the Nets all of a sudden became the odds 482 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: on favorites to win the NBA title. That one move 483 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: is what moved. That was it. It was Aldridge signing 484 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: with the Nets, and we wrote it at it and 485 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: I remember tweeting, this is what moves the number one 486 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: guy who hasn't been playing, who's five years past his prime. 487 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: But it did, And that's all based on public perception. 488 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: The Nets already have hardened, they already have KD, they 489 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: already have Kyrie. Now they're adding another piece. This makes 490 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: them more interesting. The public is going to come in 491 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: and bet on the Nets all of a sudden. Bookmakers 492 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: have to adjust the numbers, so they're not so they're 493 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: not vulnerable. Alex Hanold is not just a rock climber. 494 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: He's the world's most fearless rock climber. He's the star 495 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: of the Oscar winning documentary Free Solo. It chronicles how 496 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: he became the first person ever to climb El Capitan 497 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: at Yosemite National Park. That was three four years ago. 498 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: Season one of his new podcast, Climbing Gold, he and 499 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: his co host share stories from the people who define 500 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: the sport, push the boundaries. If you've not seen the 501 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: sixty minutes piece, you'll get anxiety watching it. If you've 502 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: not gone to his Instagram, you'll get anxiety just watching it. 503 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: And we welcome Alex in go to the most intense 504 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: moment of your climb at Yosemite eight ten twelve minute moment. 505 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: Take me to that space where fears not the right word, 506 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: but the intensity of that moment. I mean, so you've 507 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: seen the film. So the most intense of the whole 508 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: climb was definitely the boulder drum, which is like has 509 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: the karate kick the whole It's the physically most challenging 510 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: section of the whole route. And it's interesting because in 511 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: some ways That was also the least dramatic section of 512 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: the whole climb for me, because it was like so 513 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: hardcore in a way that I just had to be 514 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: completely on auto plt, like there was no thinking at 515 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: all around it. I basically climbed up to the base 516 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: of it. There's a little tiny pedestal sort of like 517 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: the size of a desk underneath it, and I sat 518 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: on the pedestal. I popped my shoes out for a second, 519 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: which is totally normal. I like relaxed my toes, popped 520 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: my shoes back on, tight, my shoes up tighter. I 521 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: probably peeed off the ledge, but I don't remember. But 522 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: it's pretty normal to like shed weight, you know, before 523 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: the hard part, and then you know, chalk up, look 524 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: at it, and then just do it. And I remember 525 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: basically going through the whole, that whole process without even 526 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: a single thought of like what am I doing up here? 527 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: Should I be doing this? Like basically I thought through 528 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: all those kinds of questions so much ahead of time 529 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: that that when I got there, I could just like 530 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: my brain is completely empty, you know. I just did 531 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: the climb, and then you see in the film when 532 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: I stick the finishing hole like the really big hole 533 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: in the corner, look at the camera and'm like, oh yeah, 534 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: actually I said, I say, can I say the effort? 535 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: But I said, obviously yeah yeah. But then in the film, 536 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, because of like film ratings, I had to 537 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: sort of dub it with like oh yeah, but you 538 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: know whatever. But but yeah, I mean it's interesting because 539 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: it was a complete autopilot right up until I grab 540 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: the finishing hole. And as soon as I grab that, 541 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: it's like my whole body relaxes and I'm like, I 542 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: know that I have it. It's it's done, it's easy. 543 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: And so then it's like then I can relax and 544 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: appreciate where I am again and be like to look 545 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: at this, this is crazy, you know, and start like 546 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: laughing and joking again and like having a good time. 547 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: But there's like a really start contracts between being on 548 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: complete autopilot and then as soon as I can relax 549 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: me and it's like, oh, you know, out of the autopilot, 550 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: are there other people? And I don't like the word business, 551 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: but are there other people in your sphere? Maybe it's 552 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: hella skiers, maybe it's surfers, And I don't think they 553 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: qualifies your sphere. But there are people that tackle waves 554 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: in Portugal or something, and you see the video of it, 555 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: and it's just I mean, you could literally be suffocated 556 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: by a wave. Are there people in your sphere of 557 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: fearlessness that you look at and think, Okay, now I 558 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: feel like I can control myself. They're against the shark there. 559 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there are things in nature you can control. 560 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: There are are there other people in your sphere that 561 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: you look at and think, wow, that is a handful. 562 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could go there. Yeah, definitely. 563 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: And actually in some ways it's people that are slightly 564 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: outside of musphere, like when I think of motorsports or 565 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: something like motocross or like Formula one racing or things 566 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: like that. You know, I see that and I'm like, 567 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: that seems dangerous, you know, like cars blown up and 568 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: people wrecking at super high speed and honestly, just the 569 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: incredibly fast reaction times because climbing is actually very slow 570 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: and very control, very methodical. Like the thing is, when 571 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm free souling, if I hesitate at all, it's fine. 572 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: For the most part. I can just hang there for 573 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: a minute, think about it, relax, take some deep breaths, 574 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: and then carry on. You know. It's a very slow 575 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: paced activity, like all about control of the body. You know, 576 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: when I think of something like racing, like that's all 577 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: about split section, you know, reactions and just like incredible speed, 578 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that kind of stresses me. I 579 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: have to think about it like that seems scary. That's 580 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: it those weeks Prime Cuts. If you like, rate and subscribe, 581 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: follow at The Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram. We're 582 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: having fun. Come join us. The Volume