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Speaker 1: and Brad Shan and welcome everyone, keep a plotting. Shannon

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Speaker 1: got you. You're as close as we're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: This is our regular Monday night stop during the Cowboys season,

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Speaker 1: but tonight the Cowboys Hour is only technically on Monday.

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Speaker 1: As far as the cow Boys It's concerned, it's Thursday.

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Speaker 1: But more about that in a moment. And we are

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Speaker 1: us for that matter, Shannon and I are in the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys podcast studio where we did this show from all

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Speaker 1: last year. Shannon is getting his first little taste of that.

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Speaker 1: This is where, this is how we did it all

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Speaker 1: And so I apologize to everyone that you folks are

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Speaker 1: of the coolest guys on this football team. And you

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Speaker 1: All right, don't start, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And Shannon,

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Speaker 1: Terrence Steele And now the head coach? How about that?

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Speaker 1: Are you are you? Are you strapping it up and

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Speaker 1: was crucial. What's the mental the mental aspect of that,

427
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: CJ when you you don't know, like you're fighting for

428
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Speaker 1: that pension and you know that if I can just

429
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: hang in there a little bit longer and latch on

430
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: with the team and then you get but over and

431
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: over and over, what what's the mental toll of that? Like,

432
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: you know, you see these tough warriors out on the

433
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: field and you think they're indestructible. But that's that's gotta

434
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: be kind that's kind of got to mess with you

435
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, not knowing like hey, and you know,

436
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: am I gonna be out selling cars next week and

437
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: not have any insurance and not you know, not being

438
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: able to take care of my kids? Walk us through

439
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: with that? What that whole mental aspects like, it's heavy, man,

440
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: it's a heavy burden. I'm so grateful of my support

441
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: of my support group. Got to come from my family,

442
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: my siblings, my mom um, even my my close friends

443
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: that uh, there were somebody I can lean on and

444
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: I can talk to about, you know, and am I

445
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: good enough? And they always you know, they always have

446
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: my back. Of course they're gonna say yeah, but you

447
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: know they shot me straight too, um saying uh, maybe

448
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: that's not the best fit for you, or you know

449
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: that your next stop would be your best stop. Uh,

450
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: And they just they kept me going. But that mental

451
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: it's heavy, man on it's heavy. Anything that professional sports

452
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: is heavy, honestly, man. So I'm glad that question. I

453
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: appreciate that we have to take another break when we

454
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: come back, CJ, I really want to give you an

455
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about your foundation, and I also want

456
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: to talk I hear you talk about the mental conversion

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Speaker 1: that you make to accepting a role as one of

458
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Speaker 1: the best special teams players in the league, because, as

459
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: we said, it's not what you didn't leave school saying, boy,

460
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: I hope I can play special teams for the rest

461
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: of my life. But more than one coaching staff, just

462
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: with this franchise has recognized your value doing that, and

463
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: so I think that's all worth talking about, Shannon, and

464
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: we're going to do that when we come back. On

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Speaker 1: c J Goodwin after this for the miller like Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Hour supported by Albertsons and Amni Hotels and Resorts. And

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Cowboys Hour. Brad Sham Shannon Gross

478
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: are very special guest Cowboys Special Team Star CJ Goodwin.

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00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: This is Thursday night for the players because the game

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00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: is on Thursday. So you think it's Monday, they know

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00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: it's Thursday. So we doubly appreciate your time, CJ. Because

482
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: I know that it's the closer we get to game day.

483
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: Every minute becomes crucial, and especially in a crazy virtual

484
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: imposed week like this. Let's Shannon say a little bit

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00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: about CJ's foundation again so we can get into that,

486
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: because I wanted to give you an opportunity, CJ, to

487
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: really talk about that and so we can be looking

488
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: for your cleats Thursday night. Yeah. The Pega Foundation is

489
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: to honor your your late father and mentor after his passing,

490
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: and it is a nonprofit mentoring organization based out of

491
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: your hometown in Wheeling, West Virginia, and it says off

492
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: the field, you spend most of your free time entering

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00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: the youth of Pega and volunteering your time by speaking

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00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: to schools and youth groups across the country. And this

495
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: week is the across the league is the My Cause,

496
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: My Cleats game where you guys get to pick a

497
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: call as you get to paint your cleats up for

498
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: one game and where something that you that's out of

499
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: uniform normally, but you don't get fined for this one.

500
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: So CD will probably be happy for this game that

501
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: he can actually do something and I get fined. But

502
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: your cleats are to honor your foundation. So tell us

503
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit. How why did you start

504
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: that and what do you do in the off season

505
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: to help support that. Well, me and my older sister

506
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: started it, uh seandres. We started it after my dad's

507
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: passing UM in twenty fifteen. UM. He was real big

508
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: in the community. He always led that he was a

509
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: leading in the community. Honestly, UM. He had a youth

510
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: camp that ranford over twenty seven years. UM in my hometown.

511
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: He was very respecting in our community, so we kind

512
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: of just kind of picked up where he left off.

513
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: We focused on exposing under exposed you to just different

514
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: things because you only know what you know and you

515
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: only know what you're exposed to. And me and Herd

516
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: were exposed to different things because of him. That's what

517
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: led us to, you know, have a having more open

518
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: mind and u to achieve the things we kind of achieved.

519
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: I've never seen an NFL player before my dad took

520
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: me to go see mee an NFL player or actually

521
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. It was his mail plumer um.

522
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: So the skis a limit when you're exposed to those

523
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: type of things, and that's what we want to do.

524
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: You know, That's another thing I want to get to

525
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: talk about. I'm gonna run the risk of making fans

526
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: and some of my friends who have played cornerback through

527
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: the years for this team a little irritated. Everson Walls

528
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: and and uh going back, mel Renfro and not to

529
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: say anything about the guys we are here now, but

530
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: I think Mel Blunt's my all time favorite cornerback in

531
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: the NFL. The guy to look at him should never

532
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: have been able to do cornerback stuff at his size,

533
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: and he was just a remarkable player. And I've had

534
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet him just once or twice, and

535
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: what a tremendous gentleman he is and leader in the community.

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00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: You've touched on at CJ. But how did you come

537
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: to know him through your dad? And how did he

538
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: influence your your life as well as your career. Okay,

539
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: we went up private school and win the rest of

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: the jay. I was fortunate enough to to do that.

541
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: We didn't have money to do it. I own know

542
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: what my dad did and my mom did. But anyway,

543
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: so we went to a private school and his kids

544
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: actually went to the same private school and my dad,

545
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: I guess we're running too many black people in that school.

546
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: And you know, my dad met him and introduced himself.

547
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: And one day he's seen me I was seventeen years old.

548
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: He's seen me at my little my little brother and

549
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: his second son or the same major playing on the

550
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: same basketball team. Seeing me at the basketball game, he

551
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: told me to pull up my parents, take my air

552
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: ring out. He said, I'm off for your job. I'm

553
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: paying ten dollars an hour. Come up. You're working on

554
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: the farm and you're gonna clean the stalls for the horses.

555
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: At the time, I was working as a playground instructor

556
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: um on the weekends, making like three dollars and seventy

557
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: five cents an hour, So of course I took the

558
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: job and ever since then he became like a white

559
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: family to me. I actually called him uncle um. So

560
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: that's how we's we kind of met. And he's done

561
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: so much for me and my family. His family, Queen's

562
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Watch had done so much for me and my family.

563
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: We can't think of Let's get to CJ. Goodwin's professional career.

564
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: You were in Atlanta for most of three years. They

565
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: released you during the season in December in seventeen, and

566
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: you you went from there actually to Arizona, the Giants,

567
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Anyway, you're Cincinnati, and then the Cowboys signed

568
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: you in October of twenty eighteen, and you're now fixed.

569
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: You're here and it's not just because the coaching staff

570
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: loves you, because this is the second coaching staff that's

571
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: loved you, and that's a big deal. People don't understand

572
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: how significant that is because you play a kind of

573
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: position where staff might have favorites and you can be

574
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: perfectly good, but I like my guy and he's coming in.

575
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: So what's been different for you in Dallas? Why have

576
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: you found a professional home here? Do you think? Um?

577
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: I think they volumed what I do. I think they

578
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: volumed the field position, um of special teams. Um. I

579
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: consider myself one of the best special teams players in

580
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: the league. I think they I think they do that

581
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: as well. UM. I just take my job sciously and

582
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad they let me, you know, go out there

583
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: and do what I do. That's pretty much it. Man.

584
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: When did you embrace the idea that you didn't have

585
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: to be an all pro cornerback like Mel Blunt to

586
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: have professional satisfaction. You could be something different and it

587
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: could involve special teams. When was that okay with you?

588
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I was okay with me, Honestly. The first time I

589
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: tested the field, what the pittsburst of this, umh was in?

590
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: I came from the two I played in front of

591
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: eighty three hundred people, three hundred, one hundred people. Um So,

592
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: the first time I tested to field, that just pushed

593
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: bell practice. I was like, man, anything I can do

594
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: the stay I'm gonna do. I didn't stick there, but

595
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Mike Tomlin. He said, hey, man,

596
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: I know you're you're a great practice player, Um, but

597
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: I want to see what you do without the football

598
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and your handed out play receive at the time, and

599
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: he was like, that comes on special teams. It wasn't

600
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: until I got to Atlanta with the coach, Um, Keith

601
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: Armstrong the special team, because they taught me that the

602
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: INDs and out of special teams up up in the

603
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: gun are end doing the five on kickoff. Um, that

604
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: I just embraced it, like, Okay, I'm I'm gonna be

605
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be damn good at this. And um, I've

606
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: just been kind of using that technique ever since. And

607
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm thank god that I'm with Bones and Hat right

608
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: now that they're considered that two of the best coaches

609
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: in the in the League one special teams And it

610
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: couldn't it couldn't have lined up any better than for me, honestly.

611
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: But when you first came here, was it the special

612
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: teams coach? No, it was uh kao oh, it was

613
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: k Yeah, Keith Oques my man too. Yeah, and he's

614
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: and he's he's in the scouting department here now. Um,

615
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: so were you nervous when this staff world, Well you

616
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: have you've had several of the peers. Uh, would did

617
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: it make you nervous when this staff came in and

618
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: they you know, the people who knew you were not

619
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: here anymore? No. Um. The first person to call me

620
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: wash was Bones was Coach Bones. He called me on

621
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: the off season like, man, I consider you one of

622
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: the I can see you the best players. Should position

623
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: um on special teams in the league. He was like, Man,

624
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: I would love to have you back. Said, man, that's

625
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: a that's an easy call for me. I love being

626
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: a doctor. So I mean, we just got it done.

627
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: Did did you turn your phone off for a second,

628
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: say hold on a minute, repeat that please, coach and

629
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Speaker 1: put it on record so you could send it to

630
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: your agent. Listen, no matter, no matter what, we only

631
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: get paid when we get paid. We're specialists, man, We're

632
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: only gonna get what we're gonna get. Man, that's all

633
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: you So you're legit one of the nicest human beings

634
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: off the field. But if you're a special teams guy,

635
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: you gotta have a screw or two loose right to

636
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: run down there with just reckless abandon and just throw

637
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: your body all around the places there. And now I

638
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Speaker 1: know j Ron JK j Ron Curse has this because

639
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I see it every game day. He he's a maniac.

640
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: On game day, he is a different person. Do you

641
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: do you have a switch that flips on game day

642
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: where you go from being nice, cool, polite CJ to

643
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: just wild man? CJ? Are you still kind of that

644
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: cool collective guy you just go smack people. I'm cool

645
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: and collective. I'm just easily embarrassed, that's all. And I

646
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: and every rep as a black man, don't be out

647
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: here getting embarrassed. You know. I gotta hear from it.

648
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: I gotta hear from my family if I get embarrassed,

649
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: every every reference, don't get embarrassed. That made be the

650
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: best motivator if I've ever heard, did you did you

651
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: how many? How many of them did you hear from?

652
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: On Thursday? Every every every family member text me and

653
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: say that what were you doing? Obviously don't know anything

654
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: about my job, right right? Alright? Yeah, yeah, you gotta

655
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: love it. Everybody's an expert. All right, one more break,

656
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more with c J. Goodwin

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Speaker 1: of Shannon Gross. I'm Brad Sham and we are just

667
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Speaker 1: so honored and happy to have CJ. Goodwin, the Cowboys

668
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: Special Teams ace with us on the program this evening

669
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys Hour. And of course this is Thursday

670
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: for the players because uh Sunday is Thursday this week.

671
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: Everybody understands that, right, How confusing is that for you

672
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: during the week? Is it? Does he get to be

673
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: a little what what day is it? Absolutely? Yeah? Absolutely,

674
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: But we just you know, we want to we want

675
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: to schedule so it doesn't matter to day. It's just

676
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: it's Thursday, I guess, right, yeah yeah, but then you

677
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: get two complete bonus days after this game. Yes, yes,

678
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: we can use them. We definitely can use them. Thrust

679
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: that body for the long stage. Um so um, you have,

680
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: as you said, you've embraced this role as the special

681
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: teams player. I'm glad to hear you say that. Coach

682
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: Fossil called you when he got here and said he

683
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: considers you the best at what you do in the league,

684
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's wrong, and we see guys

685
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: all the time. Or do you follow the lineage of

686
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: special teams players? I guess from I guess Matthews Slater

687
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: is the most decorated one in the league right now.

688
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: But you go all the way back to Steve Tasker

689
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: with the Bills thirty years ago, who some of us believe,

690
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm one ought to be in the Hall of Fame

691
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: for the for what he did as a special teams player.

692
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: He was a receiver, he was Okay, it's a great

693
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: special teams player. Do you follow all the lineage of

694
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: all of that? Absolutely? And I still from all of them. Yes, yes,

695
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: I've been stealing from Slater since I became a special

696
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: teams guy. And I watched I watched Asker, I watched

697
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: all these guys. Um, well, I go up to the

698
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: Bones's room and watched this old film with those guys

699
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: as well. There's people they've coached and people and stuff

700
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: they want me to stay from them. Uh, you know

701
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: you're still from everybody. What do you steal from Slater?

702
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: How physical he is? Um, just the way he if

703
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: he wants to get somewhere he's want to get there

704
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: with using two hands, grabbing people, Um by the by

705
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: the solder pads. Um, just just the way he uses

706
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: his hands. Uh, it's something. You know the restaurant, you

707
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: don't watch us out the hate that I hope that

708
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: if not watching miss but if the restaurant, you really

709
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: don't watch us out there just because they just trying

710
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: to get to play over with. So you know, it's

711
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for you to not do something, duddy,

712
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: but uh, you know us using advantage and yeah, so

713
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: I see how he does it, and it's just tenacity

714
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: just to get down the field and won't be denied.

715
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: I like that. What's one of the little for for

716
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: people that have never played special teams or never been

717
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: on a pro football field, what's one of the little nuances,

718
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: Uh that you could tell people that happened that they

719
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: would have no idea that goes on, Like you know,

720
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: if you're if you're an offensive lineman, you can look

721
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 1: at a defensive lineman's fingers and if his fingertips are white,

722
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: he's leaning forward, so he's probably rushing. You know, things

723
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: like that. What's something on special teams that that you

724
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: don't necessarily unless you're a student of the game and

725
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: actually been in the game, that most people wouldn't know. Well,

726
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: one would be the filler buck that I boughted I

727
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: guess the olders hand. Yeah, that's something that's something that

728
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: people don't really understand, and that's something I was getting

729
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: villified for because people didn't understand it, and um if

730
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: they would have known, then they would have been like, Okay,

731
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: that makes sense, But um, so said, like gunner or

732
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: something like that. It's it's more of the leverage, just

733
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: fighting the leverage and saying that it's it's a run,

734
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: and then it's hard to explain it. You gotta be

735
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: able to do it, you gotta be able to see it.

736
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of little nuances to to it

737
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: that we've learned every day from say coach Matt Daniels

738
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: that teachers and stuff like that every day and it's

739
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: been working out for us. We're being pretty good on special.

740
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: Do you talk trash at all as a special teams

741
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: guy or do you leave that up to the d

742
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: ebs and the wide receivers. No, they got it. They

743
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: got it. There's people that talk last to us. But uh,

744
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: you know, we just rather just just whoop on them

745
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: doing to play and then go to the sideline and

746
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: say I worked on them. You know, we try to

747
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: keep it. We try, we try to keep it cool. Now.

748
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: You know, very rarely does when when you're a gunner,

749
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: frequently you're double teamed, and very rarely do penalties get

750
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: called from that kind of activity. But you guys get

751
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: mugged when you're coming off the line. They'll do every

752
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: damn thing to you to try to keep you from

753
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: getting down the field, don't they. How how do you

754
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: learn when you say leverage, that all about leverage, getting

755
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: away from whether it's single or double coverage, getting down

756
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: the field, away from that. Absolutely, that's that's all leverage

757
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: right there. Um. The rule is actually that if they

758
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: if you're in advice, so if they got two people

759
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: on me and they get awful hands on me, they're

760
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: allowed to do anything. He went to the stepped putting

761
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: me on the ground, so they can absolutely stops watching

762
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: his play because there they're allowed to really like man

763
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: handle me and like do whatever and until I hit

764
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: the ground. So we're taught to actually hit the ground

765
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: if we get if we ever get caught in the bikes,

766
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: to hit the ground so that I got to get

767
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: off and then I just grab you again to and

768
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: you get up. But yeah, leverage, So if I'm going on,

769
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna to fight. Man, it's a fight, mane.

770
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because I was gonna ask

771
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: you if you are would ever be tempted to just

772
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: like hit the ground and make the guy look at you?

773
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: But then I thought, no, his his whole objective, his

774
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: whole training is to get down the field. So he's

775
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: not going to hit the ground. But you are coached

776
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: to do that, Yes, your coach to hit the ground.

777
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that because they're not going

778
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: to just put off four hands on me. I'm so

779
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Do you like I'm do you?

780
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: You know I've known Randy White was a great player here,

781
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: um as good as defensive tackles have ever seen. And

782
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: he was he still is. But when he started playing,

783
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: he got into martial arts partially as a way to

784
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: use his hands to get offensive lineman's hands off him.

785
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: Do you study any of that or do anything even

786
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: remotely like that. We do that practice, we do. We

787
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: don't call it this, but wax on wax off. So

788
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: we just swipe it the whole time. Our coaches that

789
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: he has a drill. So where we from the sideline

790
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: and we swipe it the people's hands off. We kind

791
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: of like, it's a timing thing. It's this there's a

792
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: lot to go into this. Man. We're not just out

793
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: there just running around. But um so it's a timing thing.

794
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: You wait to this hand go up and then you

795
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: hit his hand and he losing his balance. It's it's

796
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot, man, It's it's actually fun. You you grew

797
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: up in in uh Pennsylvania? Did you grow up a

798
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: Steelers fan? Do you grew up watching football? Like? Who

799
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: is your team growing up? I'm from West Virginia, bad C.

800
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: How did I get That's that's another Wikipedia Miller life

801
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, you know what I was thinking? Yeah,

802
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: northern West Virginia. That's a that's all good. It's better

803
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: than calling and willing Virginia. So I take Pavia. But

804
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: were you that is that is uh Western? That that

805
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: is kind of Steelers country? Did you? It's very much

806
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: still a country? And my I hated the Stellers. I

807
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: actually grew up a Cowboys fan. Did you? Cowboys? How? How?

808
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: How did that come to be Cowboys f How did

809
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: that come to be? Um? My uncle, my uncle, he's

810
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: the he's like the head of the family. Uh, he

811
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: was a big Cowboys fan growing up. And then uh,

812
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: they played the Stellers in the Super Bowl and I

813
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: became up and they beat him. So I became a Stiller,

814
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, my Cowboys fan then, um, just because we

815
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, we hated the Stellers grown up. So I'm

816
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: just trying to imagine how many Cowboys jerseys have you

817
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: sent to West Virginia in the last three or four years?

818
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 1: A lot until I stopped paying for and make people

819
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: say I love that. Uh okay, So, um, tell us

820
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: about the mindset of this team. We've got like about

821
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: a minute and a half left. Uh, you're you're you

822
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: had a great you know, almost a dream like first

823
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: couple of months now reality has come setting back in

824
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: various things happen, and fortunately you've got a little cushion.

825
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: But tell us about the mindset, tell us about how

826
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: everybody's feeling, especially with this unusual week going into New Orleans.

827
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: I was, we're feeling great, man. We still got everything

828
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: in in front of us, Everything we want to accomplish,

829
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: us in front of us. Um, we haven't. We haven't

830
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: lost a beat. I know we had a little rough facts,

831
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: but it's the NFL. You're gonna you're gonna lose some games.

832
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: Nobody nobody's again this league. Everybody's good. Um, we're itching

833
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: and go, man, We're itching and go. And uh. You know,

834
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: I think I think we have the right piece to

835
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: do something special, um, to make to make some type

836
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: of run. And it's all about runs. I've been in

837
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: a situation to where I got to the super Bowl

838
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: and we got hot at the right time, and I

839
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: think that's coming from us. Uh, And I truly believe that, Man,

840
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna follow back to lead and we'll make something

841
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: special happen. I was going to ask you if you

842
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: have spent any time telling your younger teammates, Hey, I

843
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: know what this is like. Now, don't worry about it. Now,

844
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: don't worry about it now. I'm not that guy, but

845
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: I mean they I got some type of respecting it

846
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: in the locker room and they know, yeah, you got

847
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: some respect in the locker room outside of the locker room.

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Speaker 1: And our thanks. CJ. Had been great to have you

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Speaker 1: with us. Thank you man, appreciate Jake, c J. Shannon Brett.

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