1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Ron an Aian. You know, order repair is a funny thing, 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just the way my mind works, But 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: I have these memories of when I was a kid, right, 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: how I learned the business, how I learned to fix cars, 5 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: When I shift the knop sometimes out here like a 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: chime and it will say shift err or something. You've 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 2: dean in a. 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: Car, Well, understand what you're looking at. You know you 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: think that's a mechanical device. 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, The Car Doctor. 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open. 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: But I am here to take your calls at eight five, five, five, 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: six nine. 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: Hundred and now pee. 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Running, Hey, how are you? I am? I want to 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: talk to you this weekend about a couple of things. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: I got a couple of things on my mind. So 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: over the course of the next two hours, depending on 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: how you take this show, whether it's broadcast or podcast, 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: and you take it an hour to clip or you 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: get all two hours every week or whatever. I want 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: to make sure I talk to you about leasing and 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: well changing your oil on a lease vehicle. I had 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation with someone this morning about changing oil 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: on her leased vehicle. And I want to talk to 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: you about when mechanics don't fix the car the first 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: time and what that's all about. And I think I'm 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: going to start there because that's that's probably the most 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: on my mind at the at the moment. You know, 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: we had this Dodge Durrango. I think I told you 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: about this car about a week ago, and the check 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: engine light was on, and the fault with it was 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: and if I didn't all recap the fault with it was, 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: it said a P zero four to forty, okay in English? 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: In English, a P zero four to forty on that vehicle, 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: as well as a lot of other vehicles, means the 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: evaporative emission system, the part of the emission control system 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: that prevents fumes gas tank fumes from getting out into 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: the atmosphere into the environment, was broken. But it didn't 44 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: know what was wrong with itself. It just knew that 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: it couldn't operate and respond correctly. It couldn't test itself. 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: It had a malfunction, It saw a failure of some sort, 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: turned on the check engine light and bang, it's now 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: telling you, hey, I'm broken. Now, that's not a fault 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: of the system. That's the fault of or that's the 50 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: way the programmer, the guy who designed the software, the 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: guy who designed the computer module, the guy who designed 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: the components, decided to test itself at that moment. This 53 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: was the latest and greatest in twenty fifteen. Hey, we're 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: going to do it this way. For whatever reason. You 55 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: don't know why, you don't care, Why just deal with 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: the fault that's in front of you. P zero four 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: to forty Evaporative emission's faults are pretty consistent, all right, 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: in terms of what goes bad. Is it a leak? 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Is it a mechanical fault? Is it a performance issue? 60 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Is it that everything's working but something's not working as 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: good as it could. Is it that something stopped working altogether? 62 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: Or is there a physical leak in the system. That 63 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: pretty much is it's one of the three areas most 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: of the time. In the case of this, As I 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: walked through the fault and the failure, the P zero 66 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: four forty, what I found was the vent valve or 67 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: in Chrysler language, the esum or the leak detection pump, 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: depending upon what level of software repair manual and what 69 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: repair source you want to listen to or read, was defective. 70 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: I did tell you about this because we talked about 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: the guy at the carnival who it's the thing with 72 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: the hammer and rings the bell at the top because 73 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: he puts the little slide all the way up and 74 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: goes bang and the bell goes off, right, We talked 75 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: about that. That's the way an esom works. The way 76 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: the leaked detection pump works is when there is enough 77 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: movement through the system through the canister as it's pulling 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: fresh air in all right, the diaphragm closes or the 79 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: check valve or the inlet valve closes, and it tells 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: the christ of the computer. Hey, the switch was open. 81 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: Now the switch is closed. Think light switch on the wall, 82 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: the lights on, the lights off. You flick the switch 83 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: up and down and up and down. 84 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 4: Right. 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: It just didn't. It never saw the guy ring the bellet. 86 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: It never saw the switch changed states, so it knew 87 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: something was broken. 88 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: Now. 89 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't say they don't come 90 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: up with a fall code that tests it. 91 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: I don't know. 92 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know why they can't get more specific than 93 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: a P zero four to forty. All I can tell 94 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: you is that the P zero four to forty was 95 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: as a result of the failed UM, the failed leak 96 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: detection pump, the failed valve. And I proved it right 97 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: because when I tested the system beforehand, I watched and 98 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: I looked at some specific sensors and saw a failure. 99 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: Never saw the the ESUM change state. And then when 100 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: I was fixed, when I had the new ESOM in there, 101 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: I saw the change of state. I saw the switch 102 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: close electrically. I looked at it on a scan tool, 103 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: and I watched as purge opened a loud flow created 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: the down draft and moved the slide and bang, all right, 105 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: the little bell went off figuratively speaking, or the switch 106 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: change state from open to closed. Bang, it's fixed. The 107 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: ESUM is now working, the system is now capable of 108 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: testing itself. I think that's a success. I do I 109 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: have to say that, you know, if I if I 110 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: made one mistake on this car, it's that I never said. 111 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if this car is fixed or not yet, 112 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 1: because I assumed it was fixed. I assumed dangerous word. 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: All right, I mean, how many cars are you supposed 114 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: to say? Well, I don't know if it's fixed. I 115 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: found something legitimately bad. You can guess what happened. Four 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: days later, I got a phone call. Not an upset customer, 117 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: but there was an annoyance in the way that he talked. 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: I you know, maybe I'm maybe I'm over dramatizing it. 119 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet, but he was a little perturbed. 120 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: The check engine light was back on. Okay, I get it, 121 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: bring it by, took it that day, looked at it. Now, 122 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: I've got a P zero four fifty six. I've got 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: a different fault code in the same system. The EVAPP 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: system now has a small leak. A four point fifty 125 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: six means that if we were looking at a vacuum gauge, 126 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: all right, think of the thickness of a gauge. Think 127 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: of the thickness of your gas gauge or your spinometer. 128 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: If your spinometer needle moved twenty thousands of an inch, 129 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: that's how far the vacuum gauge dropped or changed, showing 130 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: a leak in the system. A P zero four fifty 131 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: five is a forty thousands leak. This is a twenty 132 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 1: This is half the thickness of the hair on your head. 133 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: That's how small of the leak we're looking for. And 134 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, guess what. It was broken 135 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: where it couldn't test itself. Now it tested itself and 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: found something else wrong. So I went through all the 137 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: dynamics with it, and I looked, and I did what 138 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: I had to do, and I even brought in a 139 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: second set of eyes. I brought my buddy Roberton from 140 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Opus Opus IVS, the scan tool people, and we sat 141 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: and we looked at this car together and it was 142 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: kind of interesting. Okay, I hooked up my smoke machine 143 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: looking for this leak. Couldn't find a leak. No leak 144 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: in this car. I've got a car that's leaking. I've 145 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: got a car that's setting up P zero four fifty six. 146 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: It's got a leak. Took some soapy water, tire soap 147 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: and started spraying the fittings and Danny's watching me, and 148 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: he's saying, what are you doing. I said, I'm I'm 149 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: looking for a leak. I'm looking for something that defies 150 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: the logic of the moment. It says it's not leaking, 151 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: but the computer tells me it is. You ever look 152 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: at you ever see a nylon push together, you know, 153 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: back in the day it was. It was just like 154 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: a nylon hose and it's got a little plastic hard 155 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: nipple that goes into it, and they heat it up 156 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: and they put the two together. And that's how they 157 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: make fuel line now, and that's how they make the 158 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: majority of vacuum and plastic lines under the hood of 159 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: cars today. And I started soaping all those up, and 160 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't you know it, at the purge valve you could 161 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: see little tiny bubbles, you know. 162 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: And. 163 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: Wow, look at that. The smoke machine says, there's no leaks. 164 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: Smoke machines, right. Was it was such a small leak 165 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: it couldn't detect it, but yet soapy water could. And 166 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: actually I needed the smoke machine. The smoke machine told me. 167 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: You know, it was putting pressure on the system about 168 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: a half a pound. I don't know if it does 169 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: that much anymore, but it was. It was less, and 170 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: yet it created enough to push air out. Now, you've 171 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: got to think about this, right going down the road, 172 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: that vehicle when it's warm and it's hot and there's 173 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: vibration going on, and the engine's running, and yeah, it's 174 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: going to twist and shake and turn, and that was 175 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: a leak. Interestingly enough, Robert from Opus, when I was 176 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: talking to him, I had him go through and look 177 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: to see do we have any software updates for this? 178 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: And he ran the calibration fault for me. He ran 179 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: the calibration code and he found a software update for 180 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: a erroneous setting of P zero four fifty six as 181 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: per Chrysler. So which is it is it? Is it 182 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: the nylon hose it's leaking? Which it was physical leaks? 183 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Is it the software update that the vehicle is due for? 184 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Is it something else? The answer is yes. The answer 185 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: is it's all of it. It's you have to fix 186 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: what's broken. You have to fix what's in front of you, 187 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: because there is no guarantee that what you found is 188 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: the end of it. It only the only guarantee there 189 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: is is that's what's broken at this moment, and that's 190 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: what That's why I tell you this story. You know, 191 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: I'm not up here ranting and talking about this just 192 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: to get her off my chest. I've already gotten it 193 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: out of my system. I want you to understand the 194 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: perils and the trials and tribulations that mechanics all right 195 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: go through on a regular basis, because a lot of 196 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: them are out there now shaking their head in agreement. 197 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: They say, yeah, I've been there, I've seen this ron 198 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: and I get that because I get a lot of 199 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: mail saying that. You know, it's hard being a mechanic. 200 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: It really is. There's a lot that can go wrong 201 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: because you're dealing with such a complicated device on a 202 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: daily basis. The hardest thing to deal with, though, is 203 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: the broken customer. And you're slowly seeing a change in 204 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: attitude of a lot of shops that you know they'll 205 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: take the broken car. They don't want to take the 206 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: broken customer. And you've got to have a positive attitude. 207 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: You've got to get positive attitude, and you've got to 208 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: be comfortable with your mechanic. And this is where you 209 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: know you hear me talk about the relationship that you 210 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: need to have with that that repair professional and why 211 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: it's so important, and they're out there. You've got to 212 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: find them because a lot of mechanics go through what 213 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: we went through this week. In the end, I did 214 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: the software update I changed the nylon hose, I ran 215 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: system diagnostics on it. Everything was good, and I shipped it. 216 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: Customer came picked it up. What I ow you right now? Nothing? 217 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: Take the car, drive it. Come back in two weeks. 218 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: When the monitor has run in two weeks, when the 219 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: self test has run in two weeks on its own, 220 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: and it's done it a few times and we know 221 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: it's fixed, then you can come back and pay me. 222 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how many mechanics would do that, Probably 223 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: quite a few, because they're just trying to fix cars 224 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and that's what it's 225 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: really all about. Eight five five five six oho nine 226 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I'm running any of the car doctor. 227 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm here to fix your problem. Give me a call 228 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: when I get back. I'll be back right after this. 229 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: He drives that way. 230 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has car 231 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: advice done right. 232 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: Eight five five five six zero nine to nine zero zero. 233 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: Here's Ron. Hey, let's get down to Don and Virginia 234 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: and see what's going on here. 235 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: Don. 236 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car Doctor, sir. 237 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 5: How can I help? 238 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 4: Hey? Ron? 239 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 6: Thanks very much. You never led me astray. So here's 240 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 6: the new one for you two thousand and six forty 241 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 6: one fifty same van that I've had and kept on 242 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 6: the road since bying it, passenger van. And so I've 243 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 6: got a problem that occurs only in hot weather. Started 244 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 6: last summer and you worked me through a heat shield 245 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 6: issue where it was rattling. But what happens is this, 246 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 6: when I fully warmed up, get to a stoplight, the 247 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 6: RPMs is flattens out at about six point fifty, and 248 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 6: with the air conditioning on in drive with the brake on, 249 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 6: I get a really bad vibration up towards the front 250 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 6: of the engine compartment. I can get rid of it 251 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 6: three ways. I can turn the air off, or I 252 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 6: can shift it into neutral, or I can raise the 253 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 6: RPMs about about one hundred. And it does idle at 254 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 6: about six fifty to seven hundred by scan tool. So 255 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 6: I'm just I'm puzzled. I can't figure out how to 256 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 6: get rid of the vibration. I do see a little 257 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 6: bit of chatter at the air conditioning compressor on the 258 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 6: pulley only when it's engaged, when the clutch is engaged, 259 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 6: but the compressor is only about three years old and 260 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 6: it's a Ford compressor, so I don't know what to do. 261 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 6: I'm taking a harmonic balancer. I'm thinking, how can I 262 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 6: raise the rpm? And it's got electronic thrall of bodies. 263 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to do that because it's probably good. 264 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: Six fifty seven hundred rpm is kind of the sweet 265 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: spot and that's where it's supposed to be. So so 266 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: let me just let me just clarify it for myself 267 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: and everyone else that might be listening. This is a 268 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: vibration in gear. Air conditioning on engines warmed up, and 269 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: it's when it's warm out like it's a summertime thing. 270 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: Or this will happen in winter as well. 271 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 6: That's an half it in winter. 272 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen in winter. Is the air conditioning running 273 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: when you turn it on. 274 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 6: During the winter. Sometimes we do run it when it's 275 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 6: cold outside, but you know it doesn't do it then, 276 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 6: it doesn't do it when the temperature is cold outside. 277 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, so it's broken right now, which will make 278 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: it easier to fix, right, correct? Yeah, So if you 279 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: were to take the serpentine belt off and run, well, 280 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: I guess you can't do that, right because you can't 281 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: turn the air on. 282 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 6: You couldrect I just changed the belt. I just changed 283 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 6: the belt and the iddler. 284 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: Well, no, I was thinking. I was thinking along the 285 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: lines of if I took the belt off and the 286 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: vibration went away, but it wasn't indicative of or based 287 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: on AC because this is a one belt drives everything situation. 288 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 6: Correct, that's correct, it's a five point four windsor Okay. 289 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about a harmonic balancer issue. Okay, And I 290 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: wonder if the look at the balancer. If you look 291 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: at the balancer, there's a center section and an outer ring, 292 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: separated by rubber, correct, right, Yes, what if you put 293 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: a chalk mark across the two sections, okay, and started up, 294 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: and you know, do your thing and do the do 295 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: the chalk marks walk away from each. 296 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 6: Other, okay, sort of like Tommy marks used to be 297 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 6: in the old duck. 298 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: What I'm thinking is, is the outer ring and inner ring. 299 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: You know that rubber that it's riding on is the 300 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: rubber bed, and it's letting, it's letting the two spin 301 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: and shake, and now the balancer is out of phase. 302 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 6: Okay, right, And maybe it's maybe. 303 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: It's just that simple. So I want to think about that. 304 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: Have you done any work with motor mounts. Motor mounts 305 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: are good. 306 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, change those about a year ago, and those were 307 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 6: changed with motocraft mounts, so factory mounts, and those are 308 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 6: all tight and look good. 309 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Okay, And you did this, You did this. You did 310 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: the mounts to try and cure this vibration. 311 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 6: Correct. And I'd had sort of the motor mount vibration 312 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty thousand miles ago when I changed them, 313 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 6: and it took care of it. But when I changed 314 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 6: it this time a year ago, it didn't take care 315 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 6: of this hot weather deal. 316 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: Okay. What if we loosen the mounts in the sense 317 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: that you know, loosen the tubes, the bolts or the 318 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: I think it's nuts, right, the studs go through from 319 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: the mount to through the belly pan or from the crossrail. 320 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Loosen the nuts that the mounts were physically loose, not 321 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: from the engine block, but just loose to the frame. 322 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: What if we loosen the nuts that the mounts will 323 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: wiggle and dance a little bit and try and create 324 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: the vibration. I wonder what the vibration would do. Then? 325 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: Do the mounts need to find their own home, so 326 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: to speak? Do they need to center themselves? On their own. 327 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: So that's on my mind. What does the trans mount 328 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: look like? 329 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 6: So that was changed at the same time I did 330 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 6: the motor mounts, so that one's easy to get to 331 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 6: and that one's done right. 332 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: So you know, of course I'm going to tell you 333 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: it's a. 334 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 6: Tail it's it's a tail mount basically, you know, yeah, yeah, 335 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 6: it goes into there. 336 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all the way in the back. So I'm 337 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you, you know, loosen the trans mount. 338 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: You know, we got to start checking boxes, don that's 339 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: the issue. We've got to start going through the list 340 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: of you know, we did this, we did this, we 341 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: did this, we did this all right. The fact that 342 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: you can duplicate it, you know, tells us a lot. 343 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: The shirt belt tension or I don't think this is 344 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: going to be it, but the sirt belt tensioner has 345 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: probably been changed. I'm going to guess right. 346 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 6: I changed that a month ago. That's some cand new 347 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 6: as well. I want to change the belt. 348 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 5: Okay. 349 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: So you know when you get a vibration and it 350 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: almost sounds like this is a resonance, uh, you know, 351 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: a resonance kind of a shake when you get a 352 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: resonance like this, I'm looking for something rubbing. I'm looking 353 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: for something that's under duress. Just for giggles, if you 354 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: crawl under the truck and look at the exhaust front 355 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: to back as the exhaust looks entered like it's not 356 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: pulling on the frame somehow, because is the duress or 357 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: the extra load of the AC creating that vibration or 358 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: resonance causing this problem? And then last, maybe use of 359 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: an EVA could help try those things. Call me back. 360 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm running aading in the car doctor. I'll be back 361 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back, ron Anading the car doctor. 362 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: The phone number here, by the way, is eight five 363 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero Again eight 364 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. Keep 365 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: in mind that numbers twenty four to seven you can 366 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: call leave a message. As a matter of fact, yesterday 367 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to make some phone calls. We got 368 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: ahold of a few people were getting ready for a 369 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: vacation show in the next couple of weeks. And you 370 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: know we're calling people, so by all means, give us 371 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: a call. I'll leave a message and you'll be surprised 372 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: it'll actually be me. A few people were like, who's 373 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: this really? Yeah, let's see Rush Limbaugh do that. Okay, 374 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: well then let's uh, let's wander over the phones. But 375 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: you get the idea. Let's go to Let's go to 376 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: Robert in Michigan. Robert, Welcome to the car doctor, sir, 377 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: How can I help? 378 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: I have a problem with my two thousand and three 379 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 4: Chevy Silverado. I got out for work Friday night, or 380 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: thurstay in that rather, and stopped by a place on 381 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: the way home to get something to eat and drink, 382 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 4: went out, humped in the truck, and all it would 383 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 4: do would crank. It wouldn't do anything else. We'll start diesel, 384 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 4: or guess diesel. 385 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: Okay, had you gotten fuel prior to stopping the vehicle? 386 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 4: No? 387 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: Okay, so same fuel, the same fuel that you went 388 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: to work with was coming home with you. Yeah, all right, 389 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: where's the where's the truck now stuck in the park? 390 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 6: No? 391 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: I had a toad home and it's sitting right in 392 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 4: front of the trailer right now. 393 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: Okay. You know, diesels can be a little persnickety. It's 394 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: been a while since you put fuel in it a 395 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: couple of days. 396 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 4: I put fuel in it about ten days ago. 397 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: Okay, So you know, our biggest concern is or let 398 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: me ask let me ask this question. When you crank it, 399 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: do you see any smoke at all coming out the tailpipe? 400 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: No black smoke, nothing clean? 401 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: Uh, no black smoke to that's all coming out of 402 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: it at all? 403 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: All right, So I would have a couple of questions 404 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: here that I would want to look at. I want 405 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: to break out a scan tool and go and look 406 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: at fuel pressure while cranking. All right, it's not something 407 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: you're going to do by hand. You're going to do 408 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: it by skin, and you know you're going to see 409 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: a data pit there, actual and desired. You don't have 410 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: a scan tool by chance? 411 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: To you, Robert, I do not. A friend of mine 412 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: had given me your number and he told me, he said, 413 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: wait until he calls, you know, talks to you, and 414 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 4: he'll give you an idea of what type of scan 415 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: tool you really need or I tell you to get. 416 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 4: And he said, then you can go get your scan 417 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: tool and give it a check seet and see what 418 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 4: you come up with. 419 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: Well, the only problem, listen, I'm honored that someone thinks 420 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: that much of me, but you know, I'm kind of 421 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: leery about having somebody go out by a scan tool 422 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: to try and fix a truck that's broken, because to 423 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: learn on a tool on a broken vehicle is three 424 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: times the nightmare as it is on a good vehicle, 425 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: so that you can just learn the tool and not 426 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: have to solve the problem at the same time. If 427 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: you follow what I'm saying, so you know, if we 428 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: were standing in the shop and you were looking over 429 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: my shoulder, what you would see me do is break 430 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: out a scan tool, and I would look and I 431 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: would go to see, hey, what's actual fuel pressure? What's 432 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: desired fuel pressure? All right? Does it meet minimum? Because 433 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: do we have a fuel pump problem? You know, diesel, 434 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: a diesel, a gas engine, they're all the same, except obviously, 435 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's just is it fuel isn't mechanical as 436 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: it spark a diesel, theres is no spark. It's self combusting. 437 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: So it's you know, my primary focus becomes fuel distribution. 438 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: However they're going to do it in your particular case. 439 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: In three, i'd want to scan for codes. Do I 440 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: have any fault? Codes? Do I have specifically a U 441 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred, which is a communication fault, and this could 442 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: be the fuel injection control module, the fight them as 443 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: GM called it back then, the FY like THEMS would fail. 444 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't think this is leaky injectors. Leaky injectors, you'd 445 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: be sitting here telling me you're seeing puffs of black 446 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: smoke on occasion because it's putting some fuel out, just 447 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: not enough. This sounds like a failure of the fuel 448 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: system or a failure in the fuel system that's not 449 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: allowing the vehicle to start and run. So I think 450 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: this is going to have to go to a mechanic. 451 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: But he's going to have to start looking at this 452 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: from a perspective of fuel pressure fault codes. There are 453 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: some very specific fuses. If I remember writ ignition e 454 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: Ignition zero ECM one, it's very critical they have more 455 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: than ten vaults at them while the engine's cranking, and 456 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: those fuses can either fail or they can have low 457 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: voltage for corrosion and the connectors ahead of them. You know, 458 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to assume dangerous word, but just to put 459 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: some thoughts in your head that you have good cranking speed. Right, 460 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: The battery sound normal, It makes all the normal sounds. 461 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 4: Yes, Okay. Initially two years ago I had the same problem. 462 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 4: It wouldn't start. I took it in to as Lodge 463 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: and they said it where it's the like trying to 464 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: fuel control module right, And it was like, uh, at 465 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: that time, had I known what it was, there was 466 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: a place that you could send it to and they 467 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: would recalibrate it and you put it back on. They're 468 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 4: all back up and you could crank that the truck up. 469 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 4: They had replaced that. I thought it was the fuel pump. 470 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 4: And then I have what you what it's called a 471 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 4: primer pump. I replaced the primer pump, replace the fuel pump. 472 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 4: That wasn't it. As it turned out, it was the 473 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 4: electronic fuel pump. And the guy said that he likes 474 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 4: to only put it in ac Delco, but ac Delco doesn't 475 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: make them anymore. Nobody makes them. They're all they're all 476 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 4: after market, out of the country and almost impossible to 477 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 4: get anything that will well. And he said it's a 478 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 4: gamble at this point whether or not how long it'll last. 479 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: Well. So here, dude, here's the other thing I want 480 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: you to think about. If this has the primer button, 481 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: you can push the primer right, if you push the 482 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: primer within three hits, does it get firm. 483 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: It starts to get firm. Okay after that. 484 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: So that's telling me there's fuel there. So it's it's 485 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: it's not likely the fuel pump itself. And now I'm 486 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: going to come back to somebody's got to test that 487 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: fight them and I could, I could walk you through 488 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: how to do it, but if you're not familiar with 489 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: wiring in a vault meter, teaching you the wrong thing. 490 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: Now I would go back to the shop that did 491 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: the fight them because you found somebody that'll work on 492 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: a diesel if you haven't already and asked the guy, hey, 493 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: what's the warranty number one? Number two? Where did you 494 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: get this from? Is it an aftermarket off short part? 495 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: Because perhaps it failed again? How many miles have you 496 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: gone into two years since the part was replaced. 497 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it probably got maybe thirty thousand miles 498 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 4: and then. 499 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: Guy right, and you know what that's But Robert, that's 500 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: far enough, all right. You don't want to talk to 501 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to talk to me. Listen, I'm glad 502 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: to talk to you. You want to talk to the 503 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: shop that foks at the last time and say, hey, 504 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: it's probably out of warranty but where'd you get the part? 505 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: And can you diagnose it and look at it again? 506 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: You don't want to go buy a scan to them, 507 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: my friend, You're going to spend You're going to spend 508 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 1: upwards a two grand to get something decent, and then 509 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to learn and go through the whole 510 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: process and get back down to repair a part that 511 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: where you're going to get it from the first place. First, 512 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: get it diagnosed. Think about the things I'm saying to 513 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: you as far as fuel delivery, fuel system, looking at fuses, 514 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: considering the small points, all right, and then perhaps it's 515 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: not an aftermarket part. Perhaps there is a diesel rebuilder, 516 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, diesels are a unique club, and there are 517 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: rebuilders out there that you have to find. Thank God 518 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: for the power of the internet, and perhaps you can 519 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: find something sitting on a shelf. But I feel your 520 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: pain finding parts is becoming a major problem for a 521 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: lot of vehicles. Good luck to you, Robert. I appreciate 522 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: the call. You let me know what happens. I'm kind 523 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: of curious, but I think you're gonna find something in 524 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: that fuel system is at fault. I'm running any in 525 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: the car, doctor, I'll be back right after this. 526 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 5: Don't go away. 527 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back. We'ren nay of the card doctor. Let's 528 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: go over to Let's go to Dan in Washington State, 529 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: seventy mustang and some electrical problems. Dan. Welcome to the 530 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: card doctor, sir. 531 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 5: How can I help. 532 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: Ron. We've been working on this card. It's been sitting 533 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: for a while, okay, and we had to go through 534 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: the protocol to you know, not screw up the motor right, 535 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: and then we put it all back together. And we 536 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: tried to turn it over last night and the headlights 537 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: don't work and there's twelve vows to the battery. So 538 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: we're trying to you know, trigger out what the next 539 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 2: step is. 540 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I'm going to tell you to 541 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: focus primarily on the starter relay up on the fender. Well, right, 542 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: this this this, this has this has the starter solenoid 543 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: mounted right on the relay driver's side, our password passenger side, 544 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: by the battery. Correct, right, You've got you've got the 545 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: positive battery cable goes to one side of that's one 546 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: side of that solenoid. You've got the heavy cable going 547 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: down to the starter on the other side of that solenoid. 548 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you. 549 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: Should have if memory serves, there's going to be a 550 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: red blue that I think came in from the ignition switch. 551 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: Then there's going to be black, red, red brown. They 552 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: they are the fusible links. There's a couple of fusible 553 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: links that come off that one stud Are they all 554 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: connected there? Uh? 555 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: We He crows them into the car and checked and 556 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: it's not. 557 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: Under the It's not it's not under the car, bubby, 558 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: it's right up on the fender. 559 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: Oh well, we looked and I think they were all 560 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: there as far. 561 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 4: As I know. 562 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, don't think you gotta know. You got a 563 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: wiring diagram. You gotta want, you gotta win, Okay, send 564 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: me an email, Dan, We're on at cardoctorshow dot com 565 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: and I will you know, over the course of the 566 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: next day or two, I will dig you up a 567 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: wiring diagram. But you've got to follow a wiring diagram. 568 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: Starter relay, you know, the starter relay. I'm talking about 569 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: the infamous Ford starter relay. Up on the passenger side, 570 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: up on the it's right next to the battery, the 571 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: batteries on what side passenger side or driver's side. 572 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: The batteries on the okay, and. 573 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: The starter relay should be next to it, mounted to 574 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: the inner fender. Well, is it there okay? And is 575 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: there a bunch of little wires connected to it? 576 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bunch of wires, and then one plugs 577 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: into one threaded thing and the other end right plugs 578 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: into the other threaded. 579 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: Well, that's because that's that's the stut of engagement. Everything 580 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: is going to go through that, all right, and then 581 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: obviously the battery itself is going to ground. You've got 582 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: a good ground connection. 583 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we checked the ground and the ground was good. 584 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: Okay. How much of this car did you take apart? 585 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: Did you just pull the engine out to rebuild it 586 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: or what did. 587 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 5: You do to it? 588 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: No? No, no, the engine hasn't been pulled out to 589 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: rebuild it. 590 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: Okay, what did you What did you do to the engine? 591 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: What work did you do to the engine? That it 592 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: because you took something apart from the sounds of it 593 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: that it worked before it it doesn't work out. 594 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: We took the radiator out and the fan so we 595 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: could hand crank the motor to make sure everything was okay. 596 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: All right. 597 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: We didn't want to damage all the distance and lifters 598 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: and everything else in the motor. 599 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: Did the engine crank prior to you taking the radiator out? 600 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? 601 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: It did, han crank? Can get it? It turned over 602 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: really good? 603 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: No? No, no, did the engine? Did you have electrical 604 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: before you took the radiator out? 605 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: We didn't. I don't think we checked for that as 606 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: where as they know. 607 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: Okay, And that's sort of a key thing, right, because 608 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: did you have the problem before? Did you create the problem? 609 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm wondering. Maybe it got created by 610 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: working on it. 611 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, right, So, you know, now I'm now 612 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm starting to look around. Is there something left off? 613 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: Is there an innocuous islet somewhere that's disconnected? And I'm 614 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: going to and I'm going to start to wonder. So 615 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: then I'm going to go back to you know, can 616 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: I make the starter engage on its own? You've got 617 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: a heavy lug that goes down to the starter itself, 618 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: right right, you know that's the battery cable. If I 619 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: were to put twelve volts to that starter motor, will 620 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: the starter motor turn the engine over? 621 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 6: Yeah? 622 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: That's another important thing too. 623 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: So if you if you take that one side of 624 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: the starter relay that feeds power to the starter and 625 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: use a battery jumper cable and just make a jumper 626 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: and go from there. From to the other side of 627 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: the starter relay bypassed the starter relay by going across 628 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: it does the starter motor engage. 629 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: We took some jumper cables last night and use the 630 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: selenoid to turn the car over and it turned over. 631 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: Okay, So it's got the capability. So now you've got 632 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: to figure out where are you missing signal. That starter 633 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: solenoid is your first step because from the starter solenoid 634 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: it goes to the fuse box, it goes internal and 635 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: it feeds off of the ignition switch. But you've got 636 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: to verify connections at that starter relay are correct. As 637 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: a first step, you could have a bad starter relay. 638 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: That relay itself could just be bad, but you've got 639 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: to go through wiring to make sure everything is connected properly. 640 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: Shoot me in email run at cardoctorshow dot com. I'll 641 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: send you what I can find. I'm run an Indy 642 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor. We're back right after this. Run 643 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: an Indie in the Card Doctor. Here's what I want 644 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: you to think about when you're working on something electrical, 645 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: take out a roadmap and just you know what the 646 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: end of your finger and close your eyes and think 647 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: and find a town without looking at the roadmap. Do 648 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: you know how to get there? No, If you're working 649 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: on electrical, you don't know where those wires go. That's 650 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: a roadmap that's going to lead you somewhere. You need 651 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: a wiring diagram. If you're doing electrical, you've got to 652 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: have a wiring diagram. You've got to have the information 653 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 1: on where you're going, because that's what's going to tell 654 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: you how you got to get there. It's just that simple. 655 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: There's a lot of reference sources out there. There's a 656 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: lot of ways to do it. An electrical wiring diagram 657 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: is going to be key. And you watch how fast 658 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: we'll fix that Mustang once he gets a wiring diagram 659 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: in his hands. I want to talk to you real 660 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: quick too about break fluid A. We had a twenty 661 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: nineteen Volkswagen GTI this week in the shop and let 662 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: me take you in the shop courtesy of AutoZone, and 663 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: we were doing some simple maintenance, just a normal break 664 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: fluid and flush. Volkswagen calls for it every two years 665 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: and we were following procedure, doing the maintenance and thank 666 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: god for AutoZone right because here we go. I needed 667 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: information once again. I need a roadmap. I need information. 668 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: I need to know what break fluid that vehicle takes. 669 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: You think break fluid's all the same, No, it's not 670 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: all the same. This vehicle takes DOT for low viscosity 671 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: synthetic break fluid. I was able to look it up 672 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: on the AutoZone website and they ran it over to 673 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: us because it's something new and something a little different 674 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: than normal. So you need information, you need the right parts. 675 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: Autozones got it all. I'm not an ady in the 676 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: car doctor, reminding you once again until the next time. 677 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you. 678 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 6: She