1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Can if I am six forty you're listening to the 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: John and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 2: On the air. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: From one until four, that's the radio show, and then 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,079 Speaker 1: after four o'clock it converts to a podcast, John and 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Ken on Demand on the iHeart app. 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: We're going to talk now with Bennippel. 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: He's a writer based out of New York and you 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: run a fascinating piece that we saw in the Daily 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Nail that he's been gay all his life and identified 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: that way. 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: And now he's. 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Running into some friction because he thinks that young children 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: who are are being given gender affirming care because they're 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: identifying as the opposite sex, and you know where that 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: road leads eventually to hormones and eventually to major surgery. 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: He thinks that a lot of these kids may just 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: be gay. 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: He thinks this could erase game people. And you may 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: take someone that is a gay boy and because he 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: acts feminine, you know, move him over to a female. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: You can convince him that he's really a girl on 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: the inside, and what does he know, he might go 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: along with it. 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: So let's get Benapel on. 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: To uh talking in detail here because it's a fascinating piece. 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: He wrote, Ben, how are you good? How you doing fine? 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: Talk about what led you to write this? 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: And you've got a book coming out called Cis White 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: Gay The Making of a gender Heretic. 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: So decode that for people. 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, you said in that that 33 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 4: lead up that I think some of these kids might 34 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 4: be gay. But the reality is is that I know 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: some of them might be gay. You know, throughout history, 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: we know that that many of the kids that were 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: you know, taken to gender clinics by their parents, they 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: they as in adolescents, they were same sex attracted. You know, 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: gender nonconformity is a common trait among gay and lesbian people, 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 4: you know, during childhood especially, you know, and so I 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 4: do know that there are a number. 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 5: Of people who. 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 4: You know, perhaps feel or are diagnosed with gender dysphoria 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: and are gender nonconforming and feel like they don't fit in, 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 4: they feel abnormal, and then also when they go to 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 4: start going through puberty, they start to realize that they 47 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 4: are attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite sex. 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: That they have a lot of you know, discomfort with 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: that internalized homophobia. Obviously, there are a lot of kids 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: are picked on and and bullied by other kids for 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: being different. And so, you know, puberty ends up being 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: the natural remedy for a lot of these kids. Once 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: they go through puberty, their gender dysphoria, if you want 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 4: to call it that desists, meaning that it ends it 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: subsides and they you know, become fairly comfortable in their 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: sex and eventually totally comfortable and they grow up to 57 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 4: just to be the same sex. 58 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 5: Attracted individuals, homosexual. 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: People, gay and lesbian people. And this has always happened, 60 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: This has always been this way. And so if we're 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: arresting these kids natural development with puberty blockers, which ends 62 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: up being a natural remedy for a lot of them, 63 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: were freezing them in this transidentity and then you know, 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: tathering them to the medical system forever as well as 65 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: essentially transit of the way the gay because you are, 66 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: you know, turning these proto gay kids into straight kids 67 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: or straight adolescents or straight adults. And it's it's unjust, 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: and it's what occurs in the authoritarian nation of Iran 69 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 4: under their under their a regime. Uh, they they encourage 70 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: or they coerce really gay and lesbians to undergo these 71 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: procedures and surgeries and transition because homosexual is illegal an Iran, 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: where transgenderism is not. Now are transgender people you know, 73 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 4: glorified and treated so amazingly an Iran. Know a lot 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 4: of them end up in prostitution. But the reality is 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 4: that these practices are what has been going on in 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: Iran for a long time because it's illegal to be 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: gay there, to uh, you know, be homosexual, and so 78 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 4: there's a very similar process underway in the States, and 79 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 4: it's really alarming. I'm not the only one that knows 80 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: this and thinks this. Kays and lesbians talk about this, 81 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: but we're afraid to speak up and say things because 82 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 4: we get shut down and shot down and called transphobes 83 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: and evil and fascists and all of the things. 84 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 5: That you want to you want to hear, just because. 85 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: We want we don't want homosexuality to be medicalized. 86 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: Where did this come from? 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: The idea that killed and who exhibit gay tendencies ought 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: to be you know, dragged into a full blown transitioning 89 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: program for the rest of their childhood. Like, what where 90 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: did this idea take root? I swear a lot of 91 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: this stuff even a year ago, I'd never heard of 92 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: a lot of this. Yeah, and now suddenly it has 93 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: overwhelmed the world. And I don't even understand all the terms. 94 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: And I don't even I haven't seen any medical research 95 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: on this. I don't know what's true and false. And 96 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: most of the people I talk to my friends and family, 97 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 1: they don't know where what is true and false either. 98 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: They don't know what they're supposed to believe. 99 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: But they know if they express an opinion, somebody starts 100 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: screaming at them. 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 4: Well, that's that's authoritarianism. You know, if you're afraid to 102 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 4: speak up or speak out about anything, or just kind 103 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: of think, and you know there's something strange about this, 104 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: there's something weird, or there's something questionable. If you're not 105 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 4: allowed to ask questions, that's an authoritarian movement that you're 106 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: up against. And so and this movement is authoritarian, and 107 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: it's also just been harnessed by the medical industrial complex. 108 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of people making a lot 109 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 4: of money, but there's also a lot of bodylogy behind it. 110 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 5: People are really pushing for this. 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 4: It did start these practices of puberty blockers, followed by 112 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 4: cross sex hormones for adolescents and kids, that did start 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 4: in Europe and it's known as the Dutch Protocol and 114 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 4: what was eventually came to the US and these practices 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 4: were done there and it was experimental. You know, these 116 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 4: these there were a couple of doctors who thought, hey, 117 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: you know, these kids are gender to sport. They feel 118 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 4: discomfort about their sex bodies. Yes, the majority of them, 119 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: probably ninety five ninety six, who knows how many the 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: percentage are same sex attracted these adolescents, but they feel uncomfortable. 121 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 4: They have homophomic parents, a lot of them, they're bullied, 122 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 4: but they really don't want to be in this body. 123 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 4: They want to be the opposite sex. So, you know, 124 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: this consistent and persistent gender dysphoria kind of tells us 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 4: they thought that they're going to grow up to be 126 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 4: transsexual people, that they're going to want to grow to 127 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 4: transition affetu sex. Well, hey, let's let's make if easier 128 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: for them. Let's make them pass more is the opposite sex, 129 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: you know, give them a better outcome so that they 130 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: appear more like the opposite sex. Well, what do we 131 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: have to do, Well, let's just arrest their puberty. You know, 132 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 4: puberty blockers had previously been used, you know, for things 133 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 4: like chemical castration of sex offenders, et cetera, but also 134 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: to treat prostate cancer in different forms of cancer. And 135 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 4: it also precocious puberty kids that started going through puberty 136 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 4: really early, like five six seven, and so they wanted 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: to stave off puberty. And so they thought, well, if 138 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 4: we block their natural development, keep them for developing, and 139 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: then feed them cross sex hormones, then we can kind 140 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: of manufacturer, kind of engineer them into an opposite sex body, 141 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: which doesn't happen because people don't fully become the opposite sex. 142 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: That's impossible for anyone to change their sex. But what 143 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 4: it does do is it tethers them to the medical system. 144 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: It sets them up for really complicated and high risk surgeries, 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: and they're also oftentimes very successful. So you know, there 146 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: are unsuccessful the surgeries are unsuccessful. And then also kids 147 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: can be you know, our bodies aren't supposed to be 148 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: dosed with high doses of opposite sex hormones and then 149 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 4: and and for our natural hormones to be blocked, and 150 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: that's what these these blockers do. They block their natural 151 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: hor hormones. So for a little boy, they're testosterone, they 152 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: they just can't do it. It blocks their testosterone, and 153 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: then as they go through puberty, then they're given estrogen 154 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: and they're given estrogen and they have to continue to 155 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: remain on these puberty blockers until they get what they 156 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: euphemistically call bottom surgery, which is essentially castration, and so 157 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: then their testes can't produce this the testosterone for their 158 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 4: body anymore, and they don't have to stay on the 159 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: puberty blockers. 160 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 5: They just remain on at for the rest of their lives. 161 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 4: Say it's gruesome, Well, it's it's experimental, it's high risk, 162 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: it's you know, there's a lot of euphemismers around it. 163 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: Like I said, it's called gender affirming care, but this 164 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 4: is not care. A lot of people are really being 165 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: harmed by this. And I don't want to say that 166 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 4: there haven't been I don't know if the word is 167 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: good outcomes, but it's not that there haven't been people 168 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 4: who say, oh, I've you know, benefited from these treatments. 169 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 4: But mostly they're adults. They're adults who have made this 170 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 4: decision in adulthood, and believe it or not, it's not 171 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 4: just gay and lesbian people that are speaking out about this. 172 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 4: It's many, many, many what typically was called transsexual people. 173 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: I have so many trans friends who are adults and 174 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 4: who say this has to stop. I made this decision 175 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: as an adult. This has gotten completely out of hands. 176 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: You know, this is a social contagion. There are so 177 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 4: many kids and adolescents that are identifying as transgender and 178 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 4: being taken to these gender clinics, and they're not really transit, 179 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 4: they're not really transsexual. Or perhaps they will just grow 180 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: up to be gay and lesbian and gender nonconforming. There's 181 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: nothing wrong with gender nonconformity. There's nothing wrong with a 182 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: void being a seminin or a girl being masculine and growing. 183 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 5: Up that way. 184 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 4: You know, we are a natural variation of our sex. 185 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 4: I grew up very asfeminate as a kid, and I 186 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 4: was just like that. And I know that I would 187 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 4: have been affirmed as a transgender girl if I was 188 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: growing up now. And that's what, you know, really concerns me, 189 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: is that can. 190 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 6: You hold on? 191 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: Because I want to talk about that social contagion phrase 192 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: that you used, all right, and other things. Ben Pell 193 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: and he's got a memoir coming out called Cis White 194 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Gay The Making of a gender heretic, and he's written 195 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: a piece which appeared in the Daily Mail that he 196 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: is increasingly getting skeptical about this movement to send young 197 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: children through a transition gender affirming care which is eventually 198 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: going to lead to puberty blockers and then surgery as 199 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: they become transsexual. 200 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: And it seems to have taken over Pride Month everywhere 201 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: along the planet. This seems to be the top issue 202 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: trans writes, but also this movement for gender affirming care 203 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: for young people. 204 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: We got more coming up. 205 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 206 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 207 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 208 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: We continue with Bennipel. Benipel is a writer in New York. 209 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: He's gay, has got a book coming out, Cis White Gay, 210 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: The Making of a Gender heretic, and he's got a 211 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: piece in the Daily Mail seriously questioning this whole trend towards. 212 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: Putting gender affirming right. 213 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, children is to gender affirming care, which eventually leads 214 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: to puberty blockers, It leads to surgery, It leads to 215 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: boys becoming girls and girls becoming boys. 216 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you get carried away with this just because 217 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 3: a boy is feminine and does exhibit gay tendencies, is 218 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: something you want to turn him into a female. That 219 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: may not be the best decision in the long run. 220 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: He says, this is going to slowly erase gay people 221 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: from SIS if you transition the kids when they're young, 222 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: because they show a certain affinity for having interest that 223 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: the opposite sex normally would have. Ben, let's get Ben 224 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Appel back on here. Ben, you mentioned in the last 225 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: segment social contagion, and I've read a lot about this phenomena. 226 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: Can you explain how it works, especially among young children 227 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: or teenagers. 228 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, social contagion. I mean, Abigil Trea 229 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: wrote a book about this, and there's been a lot 230 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: of utilitment and done studies on this. There's been there's 231 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 4: a term for this, you know, it's called rog D, 232 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 4: which is rapid onset gender dysphoria. That's how they classify, 233 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 4: you know, young adolescents, teens that kind of suddenly identify 234 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 4: as trans. 235 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 7: They they have. 236 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 4: Many of them have never had even a history of 237 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 4: any kind of gender nonconformity, and they just suddenly become 238 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: totally enraptured with this ideology. They see it online on 239 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: social media. You know, they hear about it in school, 240 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: they are taught about it by you know, teachers and 241 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: these seminars, et cetera. And then they you know think, oh, 242 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: you know, maybe this is me. I feel awkward, I 243 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: feel you know, different, because who doesn't win their teams 244 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: and adolescents and then you know, they they develop this 245 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 4: this you know, identity, and then they you know, it 246 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 4: just becomes a popular thing in groups of kids to 247 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: to all take on this this identity and it becomes 248 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 4: uh uh you know, almost like a it's just a 249 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 4: social contagion that goes around these groups. It especially affects 250 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 4: adolescent girls, teen girls. 251 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 5: You know, it's who. 252 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: Think they're actually lesbian. 253 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 4: No, no, they actually start to they identify as transgender. 254 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: So they say that they're actually boys or they're actually eyes, 255 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: and you know, they get really love bombed on social 256 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: media and in their schools and whatever. 257 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 5: And they a lot of times to kids that. 258 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 4: Are you know, more privileged, and they think, oh, this 259 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: kind of will earn me some cultural cachet, some social cachet. 260 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: If I identify as this kind of marginalized group, I'll 261 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: be you know, pitied. They're victimized or treated as special 262 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 4: and you know, in our current society they feel like 263 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 4: they can you know, earn a little bit of cachet 264 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: that way and and and identify as such. 265 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: Well, if they don't get caught up in gender affirming care, 266 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: does that all fade away over time as they grow up? 267 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 8: It can? 268 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: I mean, so the thing is about with like the 269 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 4: social Canadian aspect at r O g D. There's not 270 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: a lot First of all, there's not a lot of 271 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: studies that are done on you know, adolescents that that 272 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: transition that are you know, even younger. But this new 273 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 4: cohort of people, this spike that we seen in the 274 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 4: recent years of adolescents and teens identifying is that you know, 275 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: transgender when they've never had any gender nonconformity. There's you know, 276 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: what's what's going to happen. We just know that there 277 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: are more de transitioners coming out that were affirmed as 278 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: the opposite sex erroneously, you know, taking to gender clinics, 279 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 4: and then you know, their parents unfortunately are told falsely 280 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 4: that their kid is going to commit suicide if they 281 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: don't affirm them in their opposite gender. And so they're 282 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: essentially coerced and and and into into affirming this, and 283 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 4: and it becomes they make the decisions that are irreversible 284 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 4: and you regret them, and then they have to be transitioning. 285 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: And so there are lawsuits. Now there are lawsuits. I 286 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: think a second one was just announced of a young woman, 287 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 4: you know, suing. I don't know if it's their doctors 288 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: or insurance companies for approving this, but there are going 289 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: to likely be a lot more lawsuits, and that's probably 290 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: what will turn some of this around. But yeah, people 291 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: are really being harmed. I know them personally. I know 292 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: de transition to gay men. I mentioned some of them 293 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: in my article. I know de transition gay women, and 294 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: I know de transition straight people you know who were 295 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 4: caught up in this and young people who who were 296 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: just taken over by this ideology. A lot of them 297 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: discovered it in college. 298 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 5: In their early years in college with with. 299 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 4: With gender ideology and all of that, and and they 300 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: just get swept up in it and it becomes a 301 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 4: really bad thing and it just affects a lot of people, 302 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 4: and it harms a lot of people. 303 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: I just have a minute here, and you talk about 304 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: de transitioning, what do they do with to de transition somebody. 305 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: This is after they've already had the surgery and the hormones, 306 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: and so what happens. 307 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 5: That's a really good question. 308 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 4: I mean, some of them have had surgery, you know, 309 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: women with stectomies, so they there isn't a lot of 310 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: skin left to do a rest reconstruction. Besides the fact 311 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 4: that you know, sensation is is essentially ruined or compromised, 312 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 4: and you know, they can't breastfeed, et cetera if they 313 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 4: choose to have children. For men, obviously, you know, doing 314 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 4: any kind of spot in surgery, it means castration. 315 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 5: So that's difficult. 316 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 4: Uh, certainly for men who have de transitioned to you know, 317 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: to recover from and live with. And they can and 318 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: do have lives, but it's it's it's a really traumatic 319 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 4: thing to overcome. They don't or can't produce testosterone naturally 320 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 4: anymore because they don't have their testing, so they have 321 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 4: to be on test for the rest of their lives 322 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 4: some kind of hormone and it's it's likely testosterone because 323 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: they can masculineize again. Uh, and and that's it's it's 324 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 4: a it's. 325 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 5: A long process. 326 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: They can develop breasts, their hair is different, for girls, 327 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 4: for women, their voices are permanently lowered. And of course 328 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 4: this fertility, you know, it renders a lot of people sterile, especially. 329 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 5: Obviously when they've they've gotten bottom surgery for men. 330 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 4: Uh. It also when they're these kids who are given 331 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: puberty blockers followed by classics hormones, they actually are end 332 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 4: up being sexually dysfunctional as well and likely never are 333 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: able to experience climax, especially for boys. And so you know, 334 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 4: there's just a long uphill battle. But the thing is 335 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 4: is that because this is all experimental, they're you know, 336 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 4: doing this blindly and operating blindly, and these doctors really 337 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 4: are performing experiments on these kids. Then what do you 338 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 4: think happens with the these transitioners, Well, they don't know 339 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 4: what to do with them, you know, endocrinologists who don't know. 340 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 4: They don't they want them to go back to the 341 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 4: same gender clinics that did these things to them. So 342 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: these people have to go and say okay, now help me. 343 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 4: And these people who have done this oftentimes frame it 344 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 4: as part of their gender journey, so they say, oh, 345 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: you're not detransitioning, you're retransitioning. You're retransitioning to your original 346 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: or another gender or your original gender. 347 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 5: And it's like, no, I made this horrible. 348 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 4: Mistake and you allowed me to do this, and I 349 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: was never transsexual in the first place. 350 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: All Right, Ben, we have to go. We appreciate talking 351 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: to you so much. Thanks for coming on, Thanks for 352 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: having me. 353 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Ben up Heel. You can follow him on 354 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: Twitter at Ben and then his last name is spelled 355 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: app e l. The book will be called Cis White 356 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: Gay The Making of a Gender Heretic, and he talked 357 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: as a gay man about how this whole trans and 358 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: gender affirming thing is out of control here during Pride Month. 359 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: Johnny Ken kf I AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio apps. 360 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 361 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 362 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: I'm just looking at a story from the El Segundo 363 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: Times that there is a shortage of saracha, which is 364 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: the really hot sauce that they make in those plants 365 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: where peppers, and it's probably. 366 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: Because of climate change. We found out the algae bloom. 367 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: That's out there that's harming dolphins and sea lions and 368 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: other sea creatures could be climate change, and now saracha 369 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: shortage could also be climate change. Is there nothing that 370 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: won't be blamed on climate change? The list grows. What 371 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: was interesting is I remember a couple of years back 372 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: they were saying, eh, maybe we shouldn't drag the drought 373 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: into this. 374 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: But that's gone to The drought's also because of climate change. 375 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: Everything's a climate change. 376 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: You having a bad day, all right? You got fired, 377 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: some of your family sick? 378 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: Climate change? Just right off the climate change, and what 379 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: can you do about it? All right? 380 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: We're now going to talk once again to John Ally, 381 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: founding member of the Santa Monica Coalition. He's been on 382 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: our show a number of times over the years, and 383 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: he and a number of other residents and business owners 384 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: are fighting the city of Santa Monica. 385 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: And of course what. 386 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 3: Else, it's tolerance the homeless and the drug addicted. This 387 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: chapter brings us something a little new, which apparently is 388 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: good old needle distribution program says here that they've been 389 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: distributing free packages of syringe needles, opioid drugs, and narcan 390 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: inside three of Santa Monica's parks and what we're seeing 391 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: the result is people are dying anyway, adds Addix Orrodean 392 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: or being poisoned by Fenton or any combination of the two. 393 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: Let's bring John back on the show for an update 394 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: on this story, because it looks like it involves. Oh 395 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: look at that Barbara Ferrer from the Alli County Health Department. 396 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: John, how are you good? 397 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 7: It's good talking to you again. 398 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, explain what's going on there in Santa Monica 399 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 3: with this handing out of needles. 400 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 7: Well, things have declined. 401 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 9: We now have two to three reported people dying from 402 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 9: overdoors per week, on the sidewalks and on the grass 403 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 9: areas of our parks. 404 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: That's a lot for Santa Monica. 405 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 9: Three a week, two to three a month, I'm sorry, 406 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 9: two to a month. Okay, three a week, No, two 407 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 9: to three a week, two to three a week. That's 408 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 9: verified by the police. And I personally witnessed two in 409 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 9: the last two weeks, and they're covered up. And those 410 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 9: are just the ones that are reported. Nobody ever finds 411 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 9: out what happens to the poor people, what their names are. 412 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 7: But we're losing control of our parks. 413 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 9: Seventy two percent of our residents live in apartments and 414 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 9: the parks of their backyards. They're being taken over by 415 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 9: the needle distribution, which has been going on secretly. 416 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 7: Before we discovered it last March. It had been going 417 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 7: on since twenty nineteen. 418 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 9: So if three mayors knew about it, no council people 419 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 9: knew about it. And our current mayor, Gleen Davis, was 420 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 9: mayor back in twenty nineteen. She knew about it, and 421 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 9: we put out a petition and we have garnered so 422 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 9: far just short in five weeks. Eleven thousand letters sent 423 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 9: out to the city, state senators and to county, the 424 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 9: Board of Health and Barbara Ferrer. And guess what, the 425 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 9: City's blocked our emails, so we'll find another way for 426 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 9: them to see it. But eleven thousand letters and mostly 427 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 9: from residents. Businesses are just finding out about this. And 428 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 9: it didn't just start in the park. It started in 429 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 9: the third Street promenade, if you can believe, it, on 430 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 9: a retail street, and it started on a privately owned 431 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 9: property occupied by seven to eleven. So we met with 432 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 9: Barbara Ferrar. We insisted on it. She didn't want to 433 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 9: do it. 434 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 7: She wanted to do it by phone. 435 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 9: We insisted on a direct in person meeting, and. 436 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 7: She admitted she couldn't give. 437 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 9: Us any financial data on the needle distribution program. We 438 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 9: don't know how many county and in this case, they're 439 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 9: using the Venice Family Corneck employees to help them. They're 440 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 9: not taking any referrals or contacts for follow up mental health, 441 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 9: sobriety or drug programs. We had a couple of members, 442 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 9: including myself, go into the parks and I was offered needles, 443 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 9: not one two, and she said, well, we'll pull back 444 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 9: and we'll distribute them from the curb side. 445 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 7: It was a lie. They continue to go into the parks. 446 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 9: And she said, if you fight us on this, we'll 447 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 9: go into the private rooms within the parks. And I said, gosh, 448 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 9: you know that doesn't make much sense. We've rat a 449 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 9: senior center, a youth center, and a tennis reservation office. 450 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 7: You can't do that. 451 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the parks are not men distribution program. You're right. 452 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: The parks are meant for people's recreation and enjoyment. Nobody 453 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: should be catering to drug addicts in public parks. Did 454 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: you say this is coming from the La County Department 455 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: of Health, but it's being carried out by this Venice 456 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 3: Family clinic handing out the needles. 457 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 7: Yes, exactly. 458 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 9: And it's known now to the city. 459 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 7: The city council voted. 460 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 9: And asked the county last September to move it into 461 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 9: a county or city owned building away from the parks, 462 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 9: forget about the merits of the program, which they have 463 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 9: no metrics that successful. We said, the city said, please 464 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 9: move it out of the parks. Her response was to 465 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 9: expand it into three parks. And everyone's been quiet on 466 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 9: city council. Last week, the city manager, who's appointed by 467 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 9: the city council, signed a joint proclamation saying that the 468 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 9: city supports the program and is in hand in hand 469 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 9: with the county. So we asked the council members, who's 470 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 9: the city is it? The city council, the mayor, city manager, 471 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 9: who you appoint, who is it? And they don't have 472 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 9: an answer. I think they're scrambling to find an answer 473 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 9: right now that Barbara Ferrer has this perverted way of thinking. 474 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 9: It's a perverted program, it's corrupt, and it's hurting the 475 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 9: most vulnerable. Thirty percent of these people are women. They're 476 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 9: being attacked at night by other women, being jumped. There's 477 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 9: now We took a walk on on Ocean Avenue yesterday 478 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 9: Palistates Park overlooking the Bluss where most of the major 479 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 9: hotels are, and we found. 480 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 7: Open drug use. 481 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 9: I asked one of the homeless where I can get drugs? 482 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 9: I say, where can I get some mets? And he said, well, 483 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 9: if I wasn't on camera, I would tell you. But 484 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 9: it's within fifty yards from here, and there's syringes on 485 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 9: the ground. We're picking them up. The city doesn't pick 486 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 9: them up, the county doesn't pick them up. 487 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 7: So we've got a big problem. 488 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 9: And now the hotels and the restaurants have spoken before 489 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 9: city council and said, look, we need more police. The 490 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 9: ambassadors are watching. It's not working well. The private security. 491 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 7: Is not working. We need more police. The chief has 492 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 7: said we need. 493 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 9: Two hundred and eighty officers. We're down under two hundred 494 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 9: if you include the recruits. 495 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 7: So it's a disaster. It's a very poorly run city. 496 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: Now you're saying since they started this needle distribution program, 497 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: you found out it probably started in twenty nineteen, that 498 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: there's more dead people in Santa Monica drug overdoses. 499 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 7: Definitely. 500 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 9: A year ago we were seeing guests on the sidewalks, 501 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 9: the alleys and on the promenade three to four a month. 502 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 9: Now we're seeing two to three a week. That's huge, 503 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 9: and we think it's direct correlation to this program. 504 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 3: Why are you guys going to have an election? You 505 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: got to get these council members out. I mean, honestly, 506 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: if you have that many people that support what's going 507 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: on there, John, or that many people that support your coalition, 508 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: they should be starting to vote these people out of office. 509 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 2: When are elections coming up? This is ridiculous. If this 510 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: is a big issue, they got to go. 511 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 9: That's our goal, one vote at a time, one person 512 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 9: at a time, to get interested. 513 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 7: The subject on the ballot. 514 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 9: Has always been rent control, which is not going away 515 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 9: in that city, and that's what the main emphasis is on, 516 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 9: and people aren't paying attention. 517 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 7: And that's our goal. 518 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 9: To reach everybody. The people that are hurt most, poor people, 519 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 9: middle income people that can't walk the streets. They want 520 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 9: to walk their dogs at night, they can't. We have 521 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 9: people walking around. 522 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 7: We have a video yesterday of a guy. 523 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 9: Walking around pounding cars and pounding street dollars with a 524 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 9: six inch or eight inch caster and pipe, now hitting 525 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 9: city owned trucks. It's totally out of control. 526 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: All right, John, thanks for talking to me again, and 527 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 3: keep us updated because this is horrendous. But you're really 528 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: going to have to find a way to get these people. 529 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: You say, eleven thousand have signed your petition to get 530 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: these people out of office who are managing this. 531 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on. 532 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 7: You take care all right. 533 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: The Santa Monica Coalition dot org is their website. That's 534 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: John Ally, the founding member. And of course all this 535 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: has to do with a needle distribution program apparently advocated 536 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: and authorized by the La County Health Department, and then 537 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: his family clinic is handing out free packages a syringe 538 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: needle and more people are just ending up dead. 539 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 7: This is this. 540 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: Horrific idea of harm reduction. Keep in mind those two words. 541 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: They used them during COVID, which made some sense because 542 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: the idea of locking everybody down this became a buzzword 543 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: harm reduction. You know, you take a mask, you get 544 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: a vaccine, you try to limit the harm. But when 545 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: it comes to drug users and hopeless people, harm reduction 546 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 3: is horrific. All it means is tolerance. And we're going 547 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: to stand by with narcan to see if we can't 548 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: save your life, and of course that's not going to happen. 549 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: And in Santa Monica. It's not happening often enough, all right, 550 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: I got more coming up. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty 551 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: Live Everywhere the iHeartRadio app. 552 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 553 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 554 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: Well from the world of Let's take all the fun 555 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 3: out of everything. This may come as a surprise to 556 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: people who live in a number of communities in Los 557 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: Angeles County. The one that is highlighted here are people 558 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 3: who are planning to go to Redondo Beach his annual 559 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: fireworks show. Here's the story from NBC four's Macy Jenkins. 560 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 4: It's spectacular, it's fun. It's fourth of July. 561 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 8: Just a week away from Independence Day. Disappointing news for 562 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 8: people in Redondo Beach looking forward to fireworks at the pier. 563 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 8: Video on YouTube showing the annual events, and. 564 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 4: I don't understand why we can't have them. There's got 565 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: to be a way. 566 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 8: As of May twenty fifth, fireworks shows in LA County 567 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 8: now require a permit from the Los Angeles Regional Water 568 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 8: Quality Control Board. Pyro Spectacular, of the company responsible for 569 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 8: the Rodondo Beach show, wrote a letter to the city 570 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 8: saying we have determined that we cannot safely comply with 571 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 8: the general permit requirements without endangering our crews, emergency personnel, 572 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 8: the public and others involved in the event. After a 573 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 8: district court ruling in March saying fireworks shows should be 574 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 8: subject to the Clean Water Act, the board now has 575 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 8: a list of rules every firework company must follow. The 576 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 8: permit prohibits plastic trash after the show and recommends companies 577 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 8: use alternative or biodegradable fireworks. No floating plastic can remain 578 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 8: after the show, and all debris must be collected the 579 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 8: next morning. The company must submit a pollution prevention plan 580 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 8: and undergo monitoring of the plan's implementation. 581 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 4: I agree with those regulations. We don't need the debris 582 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 4: in the water, and there should be some way that 583 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 4: they should be able to capture those. 584 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 8: The Water Quality Control Board says they've reached out to 585 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 8: known fireworks displays over coastal waters in the region to 586 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 8: explain the permit requirements and offer resistance with permit applications, 587 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 8: But for now, people like Joan Brogden will have to 588 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 8: find another show for their Fourth of July celebration. 589 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: Haven't thought about it, but I've been trying to think of. 590 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: Where to go now. 591 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 8: So far, the board has received six applications from different companies, 592 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 8: and those firework shows will go on as planned throughout 593 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 8: the Los Angeles County area. Now coming up at five 594 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 8: point forty five, I talked to the Redondo Beach fire chief. 595 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 8: He talks about the new regulations and what he hopes 596 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 8: to see happen next year. 597 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 3: I have seen the Redundo Beach fireworks show. I would 598 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: imagine unless this makes bigger news and it's put in 599 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 3: some of the local publications, there's going to be thousands 600 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: of people. They're going to show up expecting the fireworks 601 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: like they do every year out there over the pier. 602 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: That it's not gonna happen. I mean, this is just 603 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: a week before the show goes on, and people kind 604 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: of plan around this. It's not going to happen this year. 605 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 3: The new permit prohibits plastic trash after a fireworks show, 606 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: recommends companies use alternative or biodegradable fireworks, and as you're 607 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: heard in the story of the company behind the Redondo 608 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,719 Speaker 3: Beach fireworks show says that they cannot meet the recommendation, 609 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: so called pyro Spectacular. They even said we can't safely 610 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 3: comply with the general permit requirements could endanger our cruise, 611 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: emergency personnel, the public, and others involved in the event. 612 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 3: I wonder if there's more on that, because they don't 613 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 3: really understand what would be endangering to the crew over 614 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 3: what they would have to comply with in the permitting process. 615 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: The Redondo Beach fire chief, who she said she was 616 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 3: going to talk to later, his name is Patrick Butler, 617 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: said the city tried to submit its own permit on 618 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 3: the company's behalf, but Pyro, the company behind us, refused 619 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: to move forward. I wonder if they just didn't want 620 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 3: to go along with this because it may get to 621 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 3: be too all encompassing and too expensive for them to 622 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: carry on. So they just basically want to show the 623 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 3: waterboard people that we're just not going to comply with 624 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 3: your crazy new regulations. So it said, Oh, they're going 625 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 3: to have a party at a seaside lagoon instead. But 626 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 3: I guess there won't be any fireworks coming up over 627 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 3: the water. No floating plastic can remain after the show. 628 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: All debris must be collected the next morning. So when 629 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: I first saw this story, I thought it was more 630 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 3: about the air pollution side of this. 631 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: But it's about the. 632 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 3: Water pollution because it's the water control people that are 633 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: getting involved here. Then once again it's about taking away 634 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 3: your fun. Fireworks are not only dangerous, they're polluting. It's 635 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 3: possible that a firework could end up in a turtle's 636 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: nose like a straw, or a dolphin might run off 637 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 3: with something that might be shot off over the water. 638 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: All right, John and kenkfi AM six forty Live everywhere 639 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app. Hey, you've been listening to the John 640 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 3: and Ken Show. You can always hear us live onfi 641 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 3: AM six forty one pm to four pm every Monday 642 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 3: through Friday, and of course anytime on demand on the 643 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app.