Speaker 1: Welcome to Games of Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we
Speaker 1: got a brand new compilation highlight reels. Starting now.
Speaker 2: Now, Vince will Ford breaks down the iconic butt fumble.
Speaker 1: We got to dive into this moment though, And the
Speaker 1: funny thing is we started this episode by talking about
Speaker 1: two gap. Yes, and that right there is the definition
Speaker 1: of two gap is when you blow them up so
Speaker 1: much that it runs the runner into the blocker. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's called recreating the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, give us peak for b Well, it's fight
Speaker 3: pressure with pressure, right, So it's like, you know.
Speaker 1: So pressure with pressure meaning the offensive line guys pushing
Speaker 1: pressure at one direction on Big V, trying to probably
Speaker 1: wall them off in a certain direction. So Big V's
Speaker 1: got to put that pressure against that because he wants
Speaker 1: to attack that area, right, right.
Speaker 3: You want to always fight pressure with pressure because that
Speaker 3: kind of tell you where the ball is supposed to go.
Speaker 3: And like I say, and on that play, honestly, you know,
Speaker 3: Nick didn't come directly at me aggressive, and Brandon didn't
Speaker 3: come to me directly, you know aggressive, So I was
Speaker 3: stuck like, okay, who the attack? Remember, right, I have
Speaker 3: two gaps so who'd attack. I can't attack this guy
Speaker 3: and be out of gap, and I can't attack this
Speaker 3: guy because so in that midd of second, it's like
Speaker 3: I had to make a decision. So if you see,
Speaker 3: I was basically in the middle of that gap with
Speaker 3: both of them and trying to understand, and once Nick
Speaker 3: I felt Nick kind of leave, I knew then I
Speaker 3: had to fight back, and he had Brandon it was
Speaker 3: on my shoulder, so that's why it's like I kind
Speaker 3: of trying to get my arms back and press, and
Speaker 3: once I pressed.
Speaker 4: That's why.
Speaker 3: But before my HAALP because I guess that gap closed
Speaker 3: fast enough for Sanchez and he didn't realize how fast
Speaker 3: it was closing.
Speaker 4: So that's what happened on that play. Brother, did you
Speaker 4: feel Mark Sanchez running to the offensive lineman through you
Speaker 4: or no?
Speaker 3: No, I just I just felt once I pressed Brandon
Speaker 3: feil and then when I looked up the ball was going,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, fumble, you know, But I didn't know
Speaker 3: he ran into his button and fumbled like that.
Speaker 4: You know, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being that strong? Listen, listen three hundred
Speaker 1: and we'll say in conservative League forty five pounds. That's
Speaker 1: perfect other side three hundred probably at most three fifteen,
Speaker 1: so the pounds of pressure. Yeah, that these two men
Speaker 1: are literally trying to kill each other for. And Big
Speaker 1: V is so strong. Another two hundred and fifteen pounds
Speaker 1: hits that and he doesn't feel it, like you gotta
Speaker 1: be fucking strong for that. And that's what Like, I
Speaker 1: just remember Big V. Would I would see Big V
Speaker 1: come in the weight room and just put as many
Speaker 1: plates as you can see on the thing, do is
Speaker 1: like four sets, and then just dip out like that's
Speaker 1: how strong. Now you gotta be fucking strong to do that.
Speaker 1: It's a real man right there. Yeah, that's a man.
Speaker 1: That's a man's man. Baby.
Speaker 2: Now, Vince, will Fork and Jewels share their favorite Belichick stories.
Speaker 1: Have one bone to pick though, Oh I want to
Speaker 1: hear this one now. Can you at least confess that
Speaker 1: Bill is way softer on fucking defensive guys than offensive guys.
Speaker 1: And you want to know how? I know because he
Speaker 1: would come up and ask us questions like on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: Always he'd always test us, right, he'd always test us
Speaker 1: both offense and defense in front of each other. He'd
Speaker 1: look over at me Edelman, what coverage is this? And
Speaker 1: this this? He look over at V. Hey, V, what
Speaker 1: color is the team we're playing? Oh no, that's not true.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 3: But see we thought, because you got to understand, Bill
Speaker 3: used to come into our meetings when he leaves squad
Speaker 3: and all that, he would come in there with us
Speaker 3: and grill us. Yeah, so our question answering. He might
Speaker 3: not give it to us all in a team meeting,
Speaker 3: but he'll leave that meeting when we break up an individual.
Speaker 3: He'll come in there and grill us with questions.
Speaker 1: Hey, big V, we're playing Derrick Henry this figure? Is
Speaker 1: this a run or past? Say shit? Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: even joking, bro, I'm sitting there. They're asking us scheme
Speaker 1: this this this? They're like, hey, is this cheap coach?
Speaker 1: Like to throw it or run it?
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the first I'll tell your funny
Speaker 3: story with Bill and me. Right, So my rookie year,
Speaker 3: we I think we we in many counselor something like that,
Speaker 3: and he's asking questions and I mean he going around
Speaker 3: and he's asking like layup questions, right, So he get
Speaker 3: to me, he said, Vince, what is memorial today? So
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I don't know if it's a trick
Speaker 3: question or not. So I was like, barbecue. He said, no,
Speaker 3: you a w what answer it. I'm like, that's what
Speaker 3: we do, barbecue.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: When I tell you, Bill cauldn't do nothing to laugh.
Speaker 3: He could do it because I'm like, what do you
Speaker 3: ask me? I'm like, it's a trick question. What are
Speaker 3: you asking me? So he went on to tell everybody
Speaker 3: about memory. Then I'm like, hey, man, I'm like, be
Speaker 3: a coach. I thought you was asking me what what
Speaker 3: we do on memory? He said, no, no, you asked.
Speaker 1: Whole I'm talking about that that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, my bad. That was my first question from Bill.
Speaker 4: And that's how I answered it. The first question and.
Speaker 1: He and he had a little jolly smile. That was, oh,
Speaker 1: I asked, so you guys gotta get out of here. No.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: When he used to ask Grunk question, we would laugh.
Speaker 3: If Grunk knew what it didn't know, we would laugh
Speaker 3: and he would laugh.
Speaker 4: So it's like he would.
Speaker 3: But I truly believe with Bill, and when it came
Speaker 3: to me, I can truly think that I think Bill
Speaker 3: was testing me early on in my career on.
Speaker 4: My knowledge of the game.
Speaker 3: I really was, and I appreciate him so much for
Speaker 3: doing that because he taught me so much about football
Speaker 3: in the game itself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: A lot of questions that he would you gotta understand.
Speaker 3: When I was a rookie, our defensive line, we was
Speaker 3: in charge of knowing quarterback pivots, the route, tree blocking schemes,
Speaker 3: cadence motions. We had to know all of that, which.
Speaker 1: Gives you an advantage because if you know the concepts,
Speaker 1: you know that the quarterback's got to get the ball out.
Speaker 1: Like yes, we which a lot of It's crazy to
Speaker 1: me that teams don't do that.
Speaker 3: That's but Bill stopped. I think we were the last
Speaker 3: class that came in that he did that too. But
Speaker 3: I think looking back now, I think he was just
Speaker 3: basically trying to see how smart in my my football
Speaker 3: IQ was because in Bill my Bill is thinking three
Speaker 3: four steps ahead. He's like, let me see, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: test and see what he knows. And I proved to
Speaker 3: him that I know the game of football, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think that allow us to do a lot defensively,
Speaker 3: scheme wise, with me knowing what's going on. Not only
Speaker 3: from a defensive line standpoint, but you know the back
Speaker 3: end from the defense and offensively what they're trying to
Speaker 3: create and build through formations and this and that. So
Speaker 3: it was like a not only we had you know,
Speaker 3: the secondary, but if it was Rotney or if it
Speaker 3: was deaf with the calls, you know, we had our
Speaker 3: linebackers with the calls. Now he have trust that, Okay,
Speaker 3: I know Vince will be able to get calls out,
Speaker 3: get us lined up up front, and it allowed us
Speaker 3: to play so much faster as a defense. And you know,
Speaker 3: I credit all of that to Bill because how he
Speaker 3: taught me the game. I thought I knew the game,
Speaker 3: but you know, sitting down and having a conversation with him,
Speaker 3: you know right away like I don't know much about
Speaker 3: what I think I do, so I you know, I
Speaker 3: always think on because he meant a lot to me,
Speaker 3: not only in my personal life and the friendship we
Speaker 3: have and we built over the years, but as a coach,
Speaker 3: what he was allowed to coach and teach me. That's
Speaker 3: why I became the player I became, and that's why
Speaker 3: I moved from nose tackle to a defensive tackle to
Speaker 3: in and then I can flop to go to this side,
Speaker 3: So I didn't do I didn't play a nose tradition
Speaker 3: like any other two gap nose because Bill had a
Speaker 3: luxury of moving me in different positions and I can
Speaker 3: produce at those positions. So it just allowed us as
Speaker 3: a team in defense to manipulate a lot of play
Speaker 3: calling from my offense and start scanning the point, you know,
Speaker 3: because they never knew where I was.
Speaker 4: Going to be, you know.
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is common sense though that
Speaker 1: which is all right, take best defensive linement, put him
Speaker 1: on worse offensive linemen, maybe not be in traditional spot,
Speaker 1: but that's weakness, and then you win, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, oh yeah, but like that's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Like I watch a lot of these defenses and I'm like,
Speaker 1: are I guess we're just that much smarter? Because I
Speaker 1: was out, I'm sitting here and I was talking to
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates. We did a show together, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: realize that I was in seventh grade when he was
Speaker 1: talking about the game that right he was playing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wasn't in this game. But the whole time he
Speaker 1: keeps on talking to me, how the fuck we lose
Speaker 1: these pages? And it hints to me like, it's because
Speaker 1: we were, like what you're talking about, we were the
Speaker 1: smartest football team by far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah we were.
Speaker 1: We always was, you know what I mean. Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't just know your position, you knew the rhyme and
Speaker 1: reason why you were doing what you were doing.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of times I lined up and I
Speaker 3: knew we had teams where first player of the game,
Speaker 3: I'm lined up somewhere opposite in the nose because office
Speaker 3: lineould said, you know, I got a lot of old crap.
Speaker 4: Didn't realize I was going to be over there. So
Speaker 4: now I know.
Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm playing with your scheme because everything you
Speaker 3: prepared for it's not it. So now you have to
Speaker 3: go back to the drawing board and you have to
Speaker 3: figure out, Okay, where event's going to be, what they're
Speaker 3: gonna be playing. We thought he was gonna be this,
Speaker 3: but now but yeah, I remember, like it's a lot
Speaker 3: of office linemen like, oh, crap, you over here, what
Speaker 3: you're doing over here? Yeah?
Speaker 4: The screw You'll play up a simple as that.
Speaker 1: Now, a guy you played with on those defenses is
Speaker 1: now the head coach of the New England Patriots, Mike
Speaker 1: Rabel I love it. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: I love it, you know.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, I had the luxury to be
Speaker 3: a player with Mike and in Houston he was a
Speaker 3: linebackers coach, so coach for Mike, I mean played for Mike,
Speaker 3: and I always knew since the time that our plan
Speaker 3: days that he was going to be a head coach.
Speaker 4: I always knew that. I mean, he was a coach, like.
Speaker 3: No doubt in my mind that was going to happen.
Speaker 3: And I love that move because he's going to get
Speaker 3: the best out of everybody. And he's very smart when
Speaker 3: it comes to the game of football. He knows exactly
Speaker 3: what he's doing. He know how to he know how
Speaker 3: he wanted to deliver messages. He's outspoken. If he believe
Speaker 3: in something, he believe in it. If he don't like
Speaker 3: some he'll tell you. I mean, he will speak his mind.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, the respect that he receives
Speaker 3: is because what he poured out. So I think we're
Speaker 3: in good hands with Mike. I really do believe we're
Speaker 3: gonna do We're gonna do some wonders this year. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're going to sell a different football team this year
Speaker 3: and I'm expecting for us to shock a lot of people,
Speaker 3: you know, just because of I know Mike as a
Speaker 3: person and the player and the coach.
Speaker 4: I've already known him, you know, I know it.
Speaker 1: And they spend money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they gonna spend guess what he ain't for the
Speaker 3: hottest hand. If he wants somebody, he gonna let me
Speaker 3: know we need this player. I don't want him, we
Speaker 3: need him. He'll tell him, you know. And and that's
Speaker 3: what I love about him. He's a he's a player's coach.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, he's disciplined. He's going to
Speaker 3: have a smart football team, not gonna make a lot
Speaker 3: of dumb mistakes, and they're gonna play hard for him.
Speaker 3: They're gonna play hard for him. So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 3: I'm happy that, you know, we did get Mike, you know,
Speaker 3: if that was the choice, I love that we we
Speaker 3: went and grabbed him because I think he'll do wonders
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think these teams are gonna look more like
Speaker 1: our old teams, Yeah.
Speaker 4: In some capacity.
Speaker 3: Yet I think one of the main things we're gonna
Speaker 3: get is the competitiveness and aggressive play, I think, and
Speaker 3: a smart team. You know, so you're gonna see we're
Speaker 3: gonna look We're gonna look apart. We're going to look
Speaker 3: like we know what we're doing. You know, the past
Speaker 3: four or five years, we didn't look like that. We
Speaker 3: were we you know the past four or five years,
Speaker 3: you know what we look like.
Speaker 4: We looked like.
Speaker 3: Teams we used to talk about, Yeah, like how can
Speaker 3: how you do that? That's how we used to look.
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll look like that.
Speaker 1: Teams we're gonna be. We're going to be coached very
Speaker 1: very well and hard, and we're going to play hard.
Speaker 1: What what's the difference between Raves as a coach and
Speaker 1: a player? Really nothing, really nothing nothing. That's why when
Speaker 1: I played with him, he's the same guy as a coach.
Speaker 1: Then when I played with him. You gotta understand, I've
Speaker 1: seen Rave, him and Tom Brady go at.
Speaker 3: It on the sideline or practice, and you know, I've
Speaker 3: seen Brave Raves walking out a quarterbacks meeting with Tom.
Speaker 3: I've seen Rave and Tom walking down the hallway with
Speaker 3: a playbook talking about this. And I've seen Ray and
Speaker 3: Tom talking about scheme I saw and I heard Ray
Speaker 3: tell Tom that would never work against this guy. I've
Speaker 3: seen it like so the respect Tom gave him for
Speaker 3: input in what he was trying to do, that tells
Speaker 3: you everything.
Speaker 1: What was the worst thing you ever heard Coach Frable
Speaker 1: say to Tom?
Speaker 4: I mean it got f you you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, F bombs was always a part of it. He
Speaker 3: didn't care who you a bill get F bombs?
Speaker 1: Brave man.
Speaker 3: Look at when when I tell you, when Mike believe
Speaker 3: in something, he gonna stand firm in it and he's
Speaker 3: gonna tell you why.
Speaker 4: Now that's what I love about it.
Speaker 1: Was he a smart shit talker?
Speaker 4: Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he like pulled something out of the cuddies.
Speaker 3: I've been on the field with with with a call
Speaker 3: come in and raise, He'll shake your head. That's not
Speaker 3: gonna work. I've been in the hoddle with him, or
Speaker 3: when we in the meeting room. That's not gonna work.
Speaker 3: And he'll tell you why. He was so smart as
Speaker 3: a player, it was just you would never believe that
Speaker 3: he was a linebacker. The way he saw the game.
Speaker 3: He saw it as a head coach scenario situation. He's
Speaker 3: seen it as a head coach as a player. Now,
Speaker 3: this just popped it in my head. Do you think
Speaker 3: Bill liked Rable more than you because he let him
Speaker 3: play offense and gave him a touchdown. And look, kid,
Speaker 3: that's one thing I regret with Bill, like, come on,
Speaker 3: Bill like and the crazy thing is. But the thing
Speaker 3: is he did Seymore. He let Seymore line up in
Speaker 3: the backfield. So I'm like, man, listen, no, no shade
Speaker 3: towards anybody. But I was the best. I was the
Speaker 3: best athlete on the defense, hands down. Tell him straight up.
Speaker 3: I returned kicks in high school. I kicked the ball
Speaker 3: in high school.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: I played every position you could possibly name on on
Speaker 3: the field. One position I would never play it center,
Speaker 3: but I tried it and I hated it. But I
Speaker 3: played every position like I played basketball. I dunked basketball.
Speaker 4: I did all of that.
Speaker 3: I was the greatest poundful pound athletes on the pages.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jamie Collins pretty tight. But listen, here a
Speaker 3: guy in my side to do what I did. We're
Speaker 3: not for to play this. I played lineback, I dropped,
Speaker 3: dropped in cover like. I could do all of that.
Speaker 1: And you could dance. I could dance like a ballerina.
Speaker 4: I could dance.
Speaker 1: My footwork was good, and you could you could move
Speaker 1: like a ballerina.
Speaker 3: So for me not to be on the offensive side
Speaker 3: of the ball when I see a lot of guys
Speaker 3: not just from us, but other teams, you know, putting
Speaker 3: their guys in the background that you know, have some
Speaker 3: athleticism to them.
Speaker 4: You know, that was kind of bombed out for me.
Speaker 1: Now would that be a perfect moment to use if Bill,
Speaker 1: you saw Bill mufox.
Speaker 4: Oh I hit him with that? Well, yeah, you movefo.
Speaker 2: Next, Vince will Fork shares his story of Tom Brady
Speaker 2: and Matt Castle's prank war.
Speaker 3: You remember when it was Matt Cassel and Tom going
Speaker 3: back and forth. Oh my god, what happened? They was
Speaker 3: going back and forth pranking each other. So so I
Speaker 3: think Matt philed Tom Carve for all of these little
Speaker 3: bubbles peanuts. So Tom took his tires and hit him
Speaker 3: everywhere and hit him like so he had three tires
Speaker 3: and still was looking for one. It was in the bubble.
Speaker 4: So Bill finally like, look, guys, she stopped screwing around.
Speaker 1: You please too much?
Speaker 3: Playing the kidding out of control, just kidd So Bill
Speaker 3: had to put a stop to it.
Speaker 4: Man, it was going for weeks.
Speaker 3: It was going, dude, they were I mean, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: when I was when I tell you, some of my
Speaker 3: most funniest times in life is on a football fielding
Speaker 3: in the locker room. So people always ask me, do
Speaker 3: you miss the game? I'm like, no, you know, I
Speaker 3: missed my teammates in the locker room and the fans.
Speaker 3: That's what I miss. I don't miss the game itself.
Speaker 3: I missed the camaraderie just hanging out in the locker
Speaker 3: room two three hours after we finished, and just sitting
Speaker 3: down and drinking gatorad and just hanging out in the
Speaker 3: locker room.
Speaker 2: Like next, Vince will Ford gives us his Mount Rushmore
Speaker 2: of the U.
Speaker 1: He's on your Mount Rushmore of Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 3: Man, that's so hard like because we have so many
Speaker 3: great players. My first and foremost I put on is
Speaker 3: Ed Reed and Rays down. You know Ed Reed is
Speaker 3: he's a staple of a Hurricane. And I would go
Speaker 3: Jerome Brown Brown JB.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: He was like the one that started the defensive tackle trend.
Speaker 3: And then it's like you have to I get I
Speaker 3: mean Ray, right, I mean Ray? And then of course
Speaker 3: it's like you got Andre Johnson, Like pick him Andre Johnson,
Speaker 3: Michael Irvin who you want to send, like, like, pick.
Speaker 4: One of them.
Speaker 1: I know it's it's tough.
Speaker 4: You know, even with defensive tackles.
Speaker 3: You still got war One Sap out that, you got
Speaker 3: Cortes Kenny out there, you got Russell Maley out there,
Speaker 3: so like, you can't go wrong because the amount of
Speaker 3: players we had in the careers that had. One thing
Speaker 3: I always loved about US University of Miami being in
Speaker 3: the NFL is the longevity we had in the NFL.
Speaker 3: We have longevity with guys ten eleven, twelve plus.
Speaker 1: Years, like the durability.
Speaker 3: Look at Frank Gored, I mean we still Frank Gore,
Speaker 3: I mean Willis mc like, just look at Frank for
Speaker 3: inst It's like, man, his career spectacular. And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you just like that, when I seen Frank as
Speaker 3: a freshman, I didn't know how good he was.
Speaker 4: I just knew he was. He was good.
Speaker 3: He was decent, right, but I didn't didn't know how
Speaker 3: really good he was until he got a chance to
Speaker 3: get to the league and show that thing all over
Speaker 3: the year. And now he's one of the top leading
Speaker 3: the Russians. Every hes gonna be a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and mind you, he was a third back, third string
Speaker 3: behind Clinton, behind Willis McGahee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it was Frank and we all.
Speaker 1: On one team. It's crazy. I mean, I remember when
Speaker 1: you guys won that Natty and no One Ken Dorsey,
Speaker 1: that's right, Dorsey. Ken Dorsey was from my area and
Speaker 1: we went. We went to the same quarterback coach because
Speaker 1: I was playing quarterback, and he was like, that was like,
Speaker 1: how is it winning a Natti?
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is when we won that Natty, you know,
Speaker 3: it was always big talk about Nebraska and they tradition
Speaker 3: and this and that other. And I'm like, we went
Speaker 3: to the Disney Disneyland whatever it was Disney World out there,
Speaker 3: and they were looking at us like we were gods.
Speaker 3: And we knew then we was going to beat their
Speaker 3: heads in because they were looking like us like they
Speaker 3: seen a ghost. Ye, holy crap. Like yeah, So we
Speaker 3: knew going into that we was going to beat the
Speaker 3: dog crap out of We knew that. Like our toughest
Speaker 3: game getting to that was you know, we had to
Speaker 3: scare and B, C and D in the Virginia Tech game.
Speaker 3: When we got us to the Rose Bowl, they almost
Speaker 3: got you, but yeah, got I mean it was. But
Speaker 3: the Natty itself, no man, no match, no match, no
Speaker 3: match whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Is that one of the top and college football teams
Speaker 1: of all time?
Speaker 4: Absolutely it is. It is the It is the best.
Speaker 4: I don't care who you pair, I don't care name it.
Speaker 1: Who are some of the go through the rosters in
Speaker 1: USC two thousand.
Speaker 4: Four, It wouldn't have matter. It wouldn't have mattered some
Speaker 4: of the earlier Miami teams. Only they say that eighty.
Speaker 3: Eighty eight est severity. They think the eighty one of
Speaker 3: the eight. I think it's the eighty eight or eighty one,
Speaker 3: eighty eight, eighty six, whatever they think that. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: because what we had, well, we had depth. You have
Speaker 3: to understand. I was a backup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see, I'm saying that tells you all the
Speaker 1: depth you need to know.
Speaker 3: So it's like it didn't matter, like when we took
Speaker 3: one guy out and one going in, we don't.
Speaker 4: We didn't miss a beat.
Speaker 3: So you know, now you have guys that if one
Speaker 3: guy got off the fist, like everything go to crap,
Speaker 3: not of us, like we had guys rolling in that
Speaker 3: can go start at any other college.
Speaker 4: There is