1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm in the State House of Maryland, where I just 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: had a conversation with Wesmore, the charismatic governor of Maryland. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: He said he was definitely going to run for reelection 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: two years. He also said he hasn't decided whether he's 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: going to run for president of the United States, but 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: there are many people who think he'd be an excellent 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: candidate in four years. My conversation with him was one 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: of the most interesting ones I've had with any. 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: Governor in recent years. 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: You were asleep one night and somebody, I think woke 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: you up and said that the key Bridge was collapsing. 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: Who woke you up? And what did you say? 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: It was our fantastic chief of Staff, Fagan Harris, at 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: two o two in the morning called and he said, 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: the key Bridge is gone. And that key Bridge is 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 3: you know, it's over two miles long. It is literally 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: it's in the skyline of every picture of Baltimore and 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: it's been there since I've been born. And when I 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: said to him, I said, what do you mean gone? 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: And he said it collapsed. And immediately we began mobilizing. 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: We were on the phone with the FBI trying to 22 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: figure out was their terrorism involved. You know what exactly happened, 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: how many cars were on the bridge, how many people 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: are unaccounted for. I'll never forget that morning because immediately 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: you just saw how we had to put the state 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: on a state of emergency. We had to be and 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: begin coordinating efforts. But I'll never forget that morning. 28 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: So, as it turned out, a number of people were 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: working in the middle of the night on the bridge, 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: and I guess most of them, if not all of them, 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: lost their lives. And now the bridge is now going 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: to be repaired. Somehow you managed to get the federal 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: government to pay. 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 3: For all of it by partisan support. 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: So when will the bridge reopen? 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: It will reopen in twenty twenty eight. We will have 37 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: that bridge done. 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: And why is it important to Maryland and Baltimore to 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: have the Key bridge anyway? 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: Well, you know the Port of Baltimore. It really is 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: America's gateway. It's one of the most important, not just 42 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: maritime facilities, but just port entries that we have in 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: the country. Two thirds of the country get its goods 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: from the Port of Baltimore as its main entry point. 45 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: But there's only really three main arteries to the Port 46 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: of Baltimore. You have the Harbor Tunnel, you have you 47 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: have the Baltimore Tunnel, and then you have the Key Bridge. 48 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: The problem is that all has matt materials, oil, oil, 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: or your refinaries, et cetera. They cannot take tunnels legally, 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: they can only take the bridge. And so this is 51 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: having a distinct impact not just on transit and transportation, 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: but it is having a distinct impact on goods and 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 3: commerce being able to move. 54 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: So right now as we talk, there have been fires 55 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: in California. Do you have any advice for your fellow 56 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom about how to handle crises like these? 57 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's heartbreaking what's going on in southern California. 58 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: And I know, you know, I reached out to Gavin 59 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: as soon as I heard about happened and offered our 60 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: support and offered our resources as well, because I was 61 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: really humbled how many governors reached out to me right 62 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: after the Key Bridge and did the same. And so 63 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: that bond does matter. I think when I think about 64 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: the Key Bridge, the most important thing that we were 65 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: able to do was have unified command, was be able 66 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: to bring everybody on board that we were all singing 67 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: from the same sheet of music that we all had 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: unified goals. 69 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: What caused the ship to collapse or crash into the bridge? 70 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: What was the cause? 71 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: Well, they're still going through that now. In fact, there's 72 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: litigation that our Attorney General has filed, and so we're 73 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: going through the process of identification. The thing that we 74 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: know is that bridges don't just collapse. There's negligence that 75 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: caused that bridge to collapse on March twenty six. 76 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Maryland has had a reputation in this metropolitan area of 77 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: being a higher tax state than Virginia. Recently, you have 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: announced a three billion dollar budget gap that you're trying 79 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: to deal with, and part of it is you're increasing 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: taxes on wealthier people. 81 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, but what we're doing is this, no one agrees 82 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: that the tax code makes sense in the state of Maryland, 83 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: and so I said, we've got to be able to 84 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: reform the tax code to make us more competitive and 85 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: to make taxes simpler, fare and pro growth. And so 86 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: I just announced a budget plan. And it is kind 87 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 3: of intuitive, but I explain to people to deal with 88 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: the budget deficit, the structural deficit that we inherited, we're 89 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: actually going to give two thursd of Marylanders a tax cut. 90 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: We're going to take eighty two percent of Marylanders and 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: say we're actually going to make sure that you pay 92 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: pay either less in taxes or there's no change. We 93 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 3: did not raise the sales tax, we did not raise 94 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 3: the income tax. We've cut the corporate tax rate in 95 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: the State of Maryland, and we've eliminated the inheritance tax. 96 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: And for a lot of people it did seem a 97 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: little bit odd because they're like, well, why don't you 98 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: just raise sales taxes or raise property taxes? And my 99 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: answer is this a I would have found that to 100 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 3: be just a lazy way of thinking because it's not reform. 101 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 3: We've got to reform the tax code. And the second 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: piece is it's not pro growth. I actually want to 103 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: attract businesses to come to the State of Maryland. And 104 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 3: that's why in our budget we have some historic adjustments 105 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: to doing regulatory reform, permitting reform, procurement reform. Actually, we've 106 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: announced an executive order focusing on government modernization, where it's 107 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: all about getting rid of the government waste, getting rid 108 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: of the unnecessary spending, doing consolidation, doing flee consolidation. It consolidation, 109 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: focusing on real estate, I mean, all things that we 110 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: can make get our economy going. And so that has 111 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: been the focus, is that we've got to get out 112 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: of this crisis by focusing on growth. 113 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: So, as we talk, Donald Trump is about to be 114 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: inaugurated again as President of the United States. So, as 115 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: a democratic leader and a democratic governor of Maryland, a 116 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: very democratic state, do you feel like you're a leader 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: of the opposition or do you feel like your job 118 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: is to cooperate with him? Or how do you view 119 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: Donald Trump as somebody that you work with or oppose. 120 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not the leader of the resistance. 121 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: I'm the governor of Maryland. I've got six and a 122 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: half million people who I answer to, and some of 123 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: whom voted for Donald Trump, some of whom did not 124 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 3: vote for Donald Trump. But the thing that I know 125 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 3: is that the thing they all have in common is 126 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: they're Marylanders. And so the way I'm going to approach 127 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: this working with the new administration is the way that 128 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: I will approach working with any administration. Where I understand 129 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: how tethered Maryland is to Washington and to the federal government. 130 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: We have over one hundred and sixty thousand federal employees. 131 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: We are the home of some of the largest federal 132 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: installations in the country here in the state of Maryland. 133 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: That a lot of our infrastructure projects are being underwritten 134 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: by the federal government, to include the Key Bridge. So 135 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: I understand how important that relationship is, and I am 136 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 3: I am very clear that I will work with this 137 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 3: administration and find ways of finding common sense solutions that 138 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: are going to uplift Maryland, invest in Maryland, support Maryland. 139 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: I'll push back on things that I think are either 140 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: don't make sense or or unconstitutional or challenge our values. 141 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: But I am approaching this truly with a sense, with 142 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: a sense of partnership. 143 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Why do you think Maryland has now become such a 144 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: liberal state, such a democratic state? 145 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: We tell people that we are. This is the northernmost 146 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: southern state. I'm one of the only democratic southern governors 147 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: inside of the country. That the bloodiest battles of the 148 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: Civil War took place in the state of Maryland. I'm 149 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: the first black governor in the history of the state 150 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: of Maryland. That literally down the street is the docks 151 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: of the Annapolis Docks, which was one of the country's 152 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: first and largest slave ports. That the building we're in 153 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: right now, the state capital, was built by the hands 154 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: of enslaved people. So the dichotomy and the complexity of 155 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: this state is very real, but it's one of the 156 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: things that I take a real sense of pride in. 157 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Now, you ran for governor initially in twenty twenty two, 158 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: and we're elected overwhelmingly. You're up for reelection in twenty 159 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: two twenty six. Yes, you haven't announced yet. I don't 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: think that you're running. 161 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: I can announce now I'm running for re elections. 162 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're running for reelection as governor. I think 163 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: you're likely to win based on everything I known about 164 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: Maryland politics. But the question you'll be asked is are 165 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: you thinking of running as well for President of the 166 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: United States? 167 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: And the answer to that question is no. 168 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: I've got the best job around and I love the 169 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: momentum we're actually seeing in the state of Maryland. You know, 170 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: I think about when I was first elected, Maryland was 171 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: ranked forty third in the country in unemployment. Now Maryland's 172 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: going on fifteen straight months of amongst the lowest unemployment 173 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: rates in the entire country. When I was elected governor, 174 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: Maryland was in the middle of a scourge of violent crime. 175 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 3: Over an eight year period, Maryland saw our homicide rate 176 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: nearly doubled. Baltimore City had eight straight years of three 177 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: hundred plus homicides. Now Maryland has amongst the most precipitous 178 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: drops in violent crime of anywhere in the country right now. 179 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: And so I love the momentum that we're seeing here 180 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: and I want this to be Maryland's decade and I 181 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: want to lead that charge. 182 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: Suppose people come to you and say, you did a 183 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: great job as Maryland governor. You just talked about some 184 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: of the things you've done. You've been reelected overwhelmingly. The 185 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: party really needs a charismatic figure to be the leader 186 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: in the post Donald Trump era. 187 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: You would say, I would say people should pay attention 188 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: to what we're doing here in Maryland, Okay, because I 189 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: think the momentum we're seeing here in Maryland, and I know, 190 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: you know, Maryland are seemed very happy. Our numbers are 191 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: very strong here. But people seem to people understand that 192 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: the momentum we're we're having here is really big and important. 193 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: To me. 194 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: The biggest city in the state is Baltimore. Why is 195 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: Baltimore so important to you. 196 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: It's our state's largest city, and if your state's largest 197 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: city is not thriving, your state can't thrive. And that 198 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: is just a mathematical equation because the only way this 199 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: is going to be Maryland's decade is if it's Baltimore's time. 200 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: And so that's why we did focus on things like 201 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 3: being able to extend the Oriole's lease and make sure 202 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: the Oreos could be it for thirty years. It's the 203 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: reason we focus on things like the Preakness and keeping 204 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: the Preakness in Maryland for generations to come. While we've 205 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: invested in the Convention Center, the reason we focused on 206 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: housing and getting rid of the vacant housing, the reason 207 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: we focus on violent crime, and now Baltimore is having 208 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: among the most precipitous drop of anywhere in the country 209 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: when it comes to homicides and non fatal shootings and 210 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: carjackings and auto thefts. So if you can have Baltimore thriving, 211 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: your state is going to thrive. 212 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about your background, which is quite unusual. 213 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: Where were you born. 214 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: I was born in Maryland in Tacoma Park, Maryland. 215 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: Okay, And your parents did what. 216 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: My father was a radio journalist and my mother actually 217 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: was his assistant. 218 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: So your father died when you were only three years old. 219 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, he died from something called acute epicatitis, which is basically, 220 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: you know the epiglottis that all of us have. It's 221 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: a flat that sits over your wind pipe and every 222 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: time you breathe and talk, and his became so swollen 223 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: that it just sat on top of his windpipe. So basically, 224 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: his body suffocated itself and he actually died in front 225 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: of me. 226 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: And did you realize what was happening when it was 227 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: going on you're only three years old. 228 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: I did, And in fact, my mother tells a story 229 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: about how at his funeral, my uncle Vin took me 230 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: up to go see his body for the final time 231 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: in the casket, and I actually touched him and I 232 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: asked him if he was going to come with us. 233 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: So even at that time, I still had no idea 234 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: what had fully happened, and didn't really process until I 235 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: got older. 236 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: So you have siblings, I do. 237 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: I have an older sister and a younger sister, and 238 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: my mother had a really tough time with the transition, 239 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: and she didn't feel safe in the neighborhood she didn't 240 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: feel safe in the house, and so she called up 241 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: her parents, my grandparents. 242 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: And then you grew up there and were you a 243 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: great student? Were you're a great athlete? 244 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: I was not a great student. But what was really 245 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: interesting was that the work actually came easy to me. 246 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 3: The attention into detail and the interest in doing it 247 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: did not. And so by the time I was eleven 248 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: years old, I had handcuffoer risks. By the time I 249 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: was thirteen, I was kicked out of my school and 250 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: I was sent to a military school in Pennsylvania. So 251 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: I had a really difficult time transitioning when I was younger. 252 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: So you went to the military school and it was 253 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: sort of a college and a high school combined. 254 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: It was it was it was a junior college, so 255 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: it was a two year college and also a middle 256 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: school in a high school. That's the thing that changed 257 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: everything for me at the military school was they put 258 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: me in charge of something and I was actually accountable 259 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: to other people from my actions. And that's why I 260 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: just believed deeply in accountability because I think that's actually 261 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: it's one of the things I helped to save my life. 262 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: So you went into the military, the Army, and you 263 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: were there for a year or so before you went 264 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: to Hopkins. 265 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: So I went to I was there for two I 266 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: was in two years, so I finished up. I got 267 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 3: my associates degree. So in fact, I want the only 268 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: governors in the country actually with a two year college degree. 269 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: That's actually this ring right here. And then I transferred 270 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: after finishing my associate's degree, and then I went to 271 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: Johns Hopkins to finish my mindorgrad. 272 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: So who told you you should apply for a Rhodes scholarship. 273 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: It was actually actually a mutual friend of ours, Kirchmoke. 274 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: I interned with Kirchmok who at that time was the 275 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: mayor of Baltimore. And in fact, I have a picture 276 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: in my office of him pointing to a picture in 277 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 3: his office back when I was a young intern and 278 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: i'd hair and he was a young mayor he had hair, 279 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: and the picture he's pointing to is actually his Rhodes 280 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: Scholarship class. And it was in that moment that he 281 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: was telling me, I want you to apply for the 282 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: Rhodes Scholarship. 283 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: So you got a Rhodes scholarship, which is only thirty 284 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: two Americans every year get them you went to Oxford. 285 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: When you got there, did you study anything? 286 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: I actually studied. I got my amlet or master's in 287 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: international relations, and I actually started the DFIL. So right 288 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: now I'm all by dissertation for my doctorate in international relations. 289 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: Okay. 290 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: So, usually when people finish their Rhodes scholarships and they 291 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: get degrees, or they don't get degrees, they come back 292 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: and they run for office, They go to a private 293 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: equity firm, they go to an investment banking firm, they 294 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: teach at someplace. You did something different. What did you 295 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: do after your Rhodes scholarship? 296 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: So what was interesting? Initially? I actually went into the 297 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: world of finance. And I remember getting a phone call 298 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: from a friend of mine who was at that time 299 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: a major, and he called me, and a major in 300 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: the army, he just finished twenty Rock. He was getting 301 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: ready to deployed to Afghanistan. And he called me and 302 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: he said, when are you going to get in the fight? 303 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: And that was such an indicting question because he was 304 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: right that I had trained with all these people. I'd 305 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: done my airborne training, I became a paratrooper, and these 306 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: many of these people were now on their second and 307 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: third deployments and I hadn't done a single one yet, 308 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: and so I made the decision and I left. I 309 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: left banking, and I linked up with the eighty second 310 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: Airborne Division and we deployed to Afghanistan. 311 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: How many years were you in Afghanistan? 312 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: I was there for almost a full year. I was 313 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: thankful for the people I was serving with. The eighty 314 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: second is some of the best, some of the best 315 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: and most hard charging soldiers that the Army's ever created. 316 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: And there were really hard days. 317 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: So you came back and then what did you do 318 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: when you came back? 319 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: I actually did a White House Fellowship and part of 320 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: it was was my deputy brigade commander was also a 321 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: former White House Fellow. 322 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: After you finished your White House Fellowship, then what did 323 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: you do? 324 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: Went to City City Bank at that point, and so 325 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: then I spent about I spent closet to five years 326 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: working for City doing investment banking, doing M and A, 327 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: and also doing technology. 328 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: Okay, she did that for a number of years and 329 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: then an organization came along called robin Hood and they 330 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: said we want you to head it up. What is 331 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: Robinhood and why did you take that job? 332 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: It's one of the nation's largest poverty fighting organizations. It 333 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: started really over thirty years ago, and it started with 334 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: an initial idea of saying, what if you could take 335 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: analytics and data the same way we take analytics and 336 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: data when we're making trading decisions when we're buying companies, 337 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: and put that towards the poverty fight. 338 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: So, after four years at Robinhood, you decide to run 339 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: for governor of Maryland, never having run for anything else before, 340 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: Never did you think you had a chance. 341 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: The data didn't seem to show I had a chance. 342 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: I mean I was pulling at one percent in our 343 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: first poll. I mean, I say it is true, literally, 344 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: I'm not voting, was polling higher than Wesmore. And so 345 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: the data showed I was running against statewide elected officials. 346 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: I was running against the former head of the DNC. 347 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: I was running against two cabinet secretaries. One of the 348 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: people I was running against was actually on my board 349 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: at Robinhood, which made board meetings very awkward. So I'm like, 350 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: I had people who were just like who were seasoned 351 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: at this. But I think I think the thing that 352 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: actually really resonated with people is that I don't come 353 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: from a political background. I don't come from a political family. 354 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: I don't do the politician thing. I don't do the 355 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 3: partisan thing. I just really focus on results and actually 356 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 3: meeting people where they are. And I think that actually 357 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: resonated with folks. 358 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: So when you get elected governor, do you actually say, 359 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm really happy now I'm governor. 360 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: You took the job. 361 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: In the first day you're sworn in, did you realize 362 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: that the responsibilities are much greater than you thought or 363 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: you actually thought. Wasn't that difficult a job? 364 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 3: No? I mean it's a hard job because also I 365 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: think there were things that we inherited that we did 366 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 3: not that we didn't anticipate. You I remember coming in 367 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: and being able to re reports that you realize after 368 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: you came on board about the fiscal crisis that we 369 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: are getting ready to inherit that you know, we're currently 370 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: navigating the worst fiscal crisis that Maryland has seen in 371 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 3: twenty years. And it's something that has been predicted since 372 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: twenty and seventeen. But the problem was it wasn't dealt 373 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: with because there was COVID money, and COVID money kept 374 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 3: on masking the obstacles and masking the fact that our 375 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 3: business model in the state of Maryland was broken, and 376 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: that our economy wasn't moving. We were just so deeply 377 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: underperforming when it came to growth, whether it be the 378 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: way that Medicaid was being completely out of whack and 379 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: had a billion dollar expenditure that was not anticipated and 380 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 3: we need to see coming. There was a brokenness of 381 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: state government that I don't think we fully understood, and 382 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: so that's why our first priority had to be fixed 383 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: state government. 384 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 1: So what is your typical day as a governor? You 385 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: do some interviews, maybe on an interview like this, but 386 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: you are, let's say, at the beginning, every morning, is 387 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: I understand it, you go over to the Naval Academy 388 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: and you work out with the Navy midshipment, and I 389 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: mean you're a little bit older than them. 390 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: Is that a little day wouldn't know it? 391 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: I do, And honestly I love the fact that the 392 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: Naval Academy is down the street from here. And as 393 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 3: an army guy, I always say, I just need to 394 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: figure out who to talk to. They have that beat 395 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: army stuff all over the place. 396 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: So you can keep up with them. 397 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh, there is no way as an army 398 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: guy there's no way I'm letting maybe smoke me. 399 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: No way. 400 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to get you to say you're 401 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: going to run for president. 402 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: I can know that. 403 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: But you are going to play a role I assume 404 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party over the next couple of years 405 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: beyond just Maryland. 406 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: I assume right, absolutely absolutely. 407 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: And do you think people who are governors are more 408 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: qualified to be presidents than people who are senators? 409 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: I think. I think if people want to find inspiration, 410 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: look at the states, because we just get stuff done. 411 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 3: You know, we don't. We don't we don't play the 412 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: partisan game. I don't do the you know I think 413 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: about I've introduced twenty six pieces of legislation since I've 414 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 3: been the governor. Not only have we gone twenty six 415 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: for twenty six, We've gone twenty six for twenty six 416 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: by partisan, with both Democrat and Republican support on every 417 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: single bill that I've introduced. And so I would say, 418 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: if you really want to see what it means to 419 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: focus on results, because that's what I focus on. I mean, 420 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 3: I don't do the partisan party stuff. Results show me results. 421 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: And I think if you look at what's happening in 422 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 3: Maryland and if you look what's happening in the states. 423 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: I think you're going to start seeing what results look like. 424 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: So if somebody is watching this and they're not from Maryland, 425 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: but they want to know a little bit about Maryland, 426 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: what would you encapsulate in a paragraph or two about 427 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: what people should know about the state of Maryland. 428 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: I would say Maryland really is American miniature. You tell 429 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: me what you want to do, and no matter where 430 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: you're standing in the state of Maryland, I can tell 431 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: you where to have a world class experience within two hours. 432 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: If you want to go to the beaches, if you 433 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: want to go skiing, if you want to visit Farmland, 434 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: if you want to go see r O's win, tell 435 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: me what you want to do, and I can tell 436 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: you how to get there within two hours. And I 437 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: think about you know we are. We're the home of innovation. 438 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: We're the home of Johns. Hope's University, the home of 439 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: the NSSA, the home of NIST, the home of the 440 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: Applyed Physics Slab, the home of Fort Meade and the 441 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 3: Naval Academy, the home of four historically black colleges and universities. 442 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 3: We have so much to offer in the state of Maryland, 443 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: and I think it's one of the reasons that people 444 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: are so excited about the growth ejectory we're on. 445 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: So final question, how can you bottle the happiness you have? 446 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: How do you get to be so happy all the 447 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: time and smiling all the time? 448 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: Is that? 449 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: Does anybody ever can make you feel bad about something? 450 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 3: You know? One of the things I lean on a 451 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: lot is history, And even in really dark times or 452 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: really challenging moments, I'm a history buff and I think 453 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: about having a chance to read about one of our 454 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: most famous Marylanders, Harriet Tubman, And on my toughest days, 455 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 3: I will go back to my office in my house 456 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 3: and I'll read on Harriet Tubman, and then I think 457 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: to myself, what am I complaining about? Like, no matter 458 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: what kind of day I'm having, imagine having a theoretical 459 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: conversation with Harriet Tubman explaining to her how tough my 460 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: day was, when I know how tough all her days were. 461 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: And I think that it's important that we live life 462 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: with a sense of context, that even when times are tough, 463 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 3: and even when times are challenging, remember where we've come from, 464 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: Remember what is a country we've seen? Remember as a state, 465 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: what we've endured and we're still here, and that's I 466 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: think what continues to give me a sense of hope 467 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: and optimism because I know that, no matter what kind 468 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: of days we are having, we are our ancestors' wildest dreams. 469 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: And there's a sense of pride that I do have 470 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: in that. 471 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to hear more of my interviews. You 472 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: can subscribe and download my podcast on Spotify, Apple, or 473 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: wherever you listen.