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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast is a figment of Mark

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Speaker 1: Sessler's imagination. Welcome to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. Dan haf here froom filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, A little Bunker Cast action today on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: How big Tuesday it is? Because Mark Sessler. It's not

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Speaker 1: gonna admit it, because he's already on some level that

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Speaker 1: he's thrown into talent this season. But he's noivous Huge

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Speaker 1: Brown's matchup coming up on Thursday. He's noivus. I'm annoyed,

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Speaker 1: is what I am. And I mean if this is

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Speaker 1: a figment, I'd like to also is my I'm having

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Speaker 1: a bad hair day? Um? Is that a figment of

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Speaker 1: my imagination? I'm wearing a shirt that my parents sent me.

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Speaker 1: You know that was too It's about two sizes too

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Speaker 1: large for me. But one of the Bunker casts um benefits,

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Speaker 1: as I'm sure you notice some degree, is that people

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Speaker 1: can't see any thing other than this little box and

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Speaker 1: so the shirt looks presentable. Um, they can't see my

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Speaker 1: hair from other angles. So why is it that when

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Speaker 1: moms send shirts and it's adorable and moms are amazing, Um,

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Speaker 1: but they always send them like seven sizes too big, Like,

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Speaker 1: what is up with that? I think that's what they

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Speaker 1: what's the what they maybe want us to be? Like?

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Speaker 1: I always are you eating well? Are you eating enough? Well?

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Speaker 1: It's like you've sent me a shirt that I could

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Speaker 1: fit three of me in. It's like this is a

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Speaker 1: shirt for a five hundred pound man. Man, mother, what

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Speaker 1: is happening? Mother? I just appreciate that Mark, you know,

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Speaker 1: button down, you know, checkered, two sizes too big polyester. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying. I've never worn this on our show before,

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Speaker 1: so I'm premiering it right now. All right, this is

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Speaker 1: a good one, good good pod, good Tuesday pod, Like

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Speaker 1: the Tuesday Pod during the season, Chop it Up a

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Speaker 1: little bit, has some fun. Arif Hassan, who covers the

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Speaker 1: Vikings for the Athletic I'm I would love this Vikings team.

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Speaker 1: I've always had a soft spot for the Vikings, but

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Speaker 1: the complete stupidity of their two thousand twenty one season.

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Speaker 1: It's just a big, stupid, dumb, fun season so far.

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Speaker 1: And as they hit their bye week, at three and three. Um,

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Speaker 1: this feels like a good time to check in with Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: And a Reef is a fund into the show, and

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Speaker 1: to figure out this team. So that's coming up. We also,

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Speaker 1: the off fore mentioned Cleveland Browns have a very important

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Speaker 1: football game, a monumentally important football game, uh, coming up

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, and we're gonna get into that. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: preview that game against the Denver Broncos. Two teams, uh,

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Speaker 1: what happens next in their season. But before that, well

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Speaker 1: before that, how are you? Greg? I'm great? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's nice. I'm good. Uh. Devin Keith, I picked him

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Speaker 1: old Man and UH and enjoy the marksess on Thursday

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Speaker 1: night recap a little later this week. I'm just mom.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like my mom stopped giving me shirts.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen years ago because I was because

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Speaker 1: I was just like, stopped giving these shirts. Greg. We've

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Speaker 1: we ruined the surprise. All right, let's do some Monday

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Speaker 1: kind of won. It wasn't a typical of the night.

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Speaker 1: But I you know, Mia culpa, because on our Friday

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Speaker 1: why Mark, I don't even remember you making that disparaging

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Speaker 1: along with Greg on that. But I love the idea

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Speaker 1: that you could just be anything, right. And and that's

427
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: exactly what the Vikings are. Uh. You know, when the

428
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: offense is rolling, it's a really good offense, your top

429
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 1: eight you know, maybe offense maybe even better than that. Uh,

430
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: and the defense has looked really good. You know, Patrick

431
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: Peterson's not healthy anymore. But you know when he was healthy.

432
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: It's looked really good at the past, you know, a

433
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: couple of games, and so you know, if that happens

434
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's a really good team that's

435
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: got a shot to make the playoffs. But you know

436
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: that hasn't happened at the same time. Either the defense

437
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: scaring them, the offense is scaring them. Hasn't been both, uh,

438
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: and so when those things kind of collapse, you know,

439
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: they're they're bottom tier team. You know, the offense can't

440
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: get going, play actions not working, deep shots aren't there,

441
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: defense is giving up, you know, big plays. So you know,

442
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: I kind of wish I had an answer to kind

443
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: of what trajectory the vikings are on. But like it

444
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: is a it is a wide band of outcomes. I mean,

445
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: I could I could see them pulling off a run

446
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: of like five straight wins. A tough part of the

447
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: schedule to do that, but you know I could see that.

448
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: Um I could see them doing five straight losses. I

449
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: could see them losing by multiple scores. I could see

450
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: them winning by multiple scores. Anything is on the table

451
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: with this team. Total chaos. Yeah, I think it's got

452
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Speaker 1: to be the best. Kirk Cousins has looked to me

453
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and that's a reasonably high bar. But I

454
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: just feel like he's playing so well right now and

455
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: he's playing a little freer. I mean, he keep putting

456
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: him in positions to set up a game time or

457
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: game winning field goal. And if if I'm right, I

458
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: think he's four for four. Uh, you know, Joseph isn't

459
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: four for four, but I think he's gotten him. And

460
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: they had the Browns game that was the only time

461
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: that he wasn't able to do it right and that

462
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: was like a delin Like, yeah, that was a little different,

463
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: but like when you when it was just like he

464
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: was not right and didn't and at the end of

465
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Speaker 1: that game last week, Actually, I want you, since we've

466
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Speaker 1: talked about this so much on the TV show, to

467
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: break down the shove with Zimmer, because I'd like to

468
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: talk about cousins is play, but the interpersonal dynamics between

469
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: the shove and the moment that Zimmer's face appeared to

470
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Speaker 1: be truly angry at Kirk Cousins or just like what

471
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: is happening I'm getting shoved? Yeah, Like what do you

472
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: think is going to just up for the audience that

473
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: might not know. This was the conclusion of the Week

474
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Speaker 1: five game, when Greg Joseph hit the field goal to

475
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: save them from absolute horror home loss to the Lions.

476
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Speaker 1: Reef take it away. Yeah, I think I think Cousins

477
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: is just like trying to be a He's just a

478
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: guy trying to be a dude. I don't I don't

479
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: know that he's got a lot of experience in that department,

480
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: so you know, he initiates contact. Zimmer I don't think

481
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: likes it when other people initiate context. I think like reflexively,

482
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, he's reacting to that. But yeah, I think

483
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: they're kind of enjoying the moment and they're caught up

484
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: in the emotions and Zimmer's got a reflective response. It

485
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: doesn't help that like the one guy is holding Zimmer

486
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: back and that makes everything look like ten times more

487
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: like dynamic than it actually is. Like Zimmer's about to

488
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: like throw one on Cousins. And the course the next week,

489
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: there's a there's a shot obviously taken by the Vikings,

490
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: but there's a shot of them coming out of of

491
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: of Panther Stadium into the tunnel where they're like waltzing

492
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, but I feel like that

493
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: is like a direct response to the to the weird

494
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: coverage surrounding which I'm entirely deserved, weird coverage, by the way,

495
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: surrounding the you know, Cousins and Zimmer's reaction to the

496
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: game winning field goal. I would ask you this. I mean,

497
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: it's like the I think there's these camps that you

498
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: know now everyone is in love with Kirk Cousins over

499
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: the last for weeks. That's fine, but it's been long

500
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: stretches of time where it's the Kirk Cousins is the

501
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: reason the Vikings can't go from kind of good to great.

502
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: I would ask you, though, is maybe you know, you

503
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: look around the league and we've got all these young,

504
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: aggressive coaches, And I listened to your pod Norse Code,

505
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: which I think is a great name for a Vikings pod,

506
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: and you talked about even watching last night's game, where like,

507
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: oh wait, there are fans out there like a Titan

508
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: fin that has the experience of just watching their team

509
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: go in and do what they do well, focus on

510
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Speaker 1: their strengths and man handle someone else the way that

511
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: you'd hope, and you're looking at the Vikings and it's

512
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: it's like this hot and cold thing. Is it actually

513
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: maybe Zimmer, who is the guy who's on my radar,

514
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: is holding this whole operation back because to me, it

515
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: feels like someone who's stuck in like while the rest

516
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: of the league is evolving and changing. And he's also

517
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: very cantankerous. I don't know, like, is he happy, happy

518
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: with him? What's going on here? I get it? And

519
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: thanks for the podcast blog. I means I don't have

520
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, No, Zimmers like really weird because

521
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, in some aspects of football, he's like way

522
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: ahead of the curve. He's like a really innovative defensive mind.

523
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: He's very flexible when it comes to that defense. I

524
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: mean they've changed and shifted their coverage rules, their covered shells,

525
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: what they like to do on defense so many times.

526
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people know him for the

527
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: double a gap look, but there was like a period

528
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: of time in the middle of his tenure with the

529
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: Vikings he didn't do that very much at all. He

530
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: just found other ways to create one on one matchups,

531
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are taking what he does

532
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: from a front perspective and applying it, you know, to defenses. Nowadays,

533
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: and so, um, there's some areas where he's very innovative,

534
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: very adaptable, and there's some areas where he's just like, yeah,

535
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: you gotta run the ball to win. I mean, that's

536
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: just how football is, and so he just kind of

537
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: have to like figure out where he is in some respects.

538
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: In that last year they were one of the more

539
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: aggressive teams on fourth down. If you take a look

540
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: at you know, the various bots out there about you know,

541
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Speaker 1: is it good to go for it or not? The

542
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: Vikings were like a top ten team on fourth down,

543
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: and rest of this this year they're like third to last. UM.

544
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Speaker 1: So sometimes it's just like very weird to figure out

545
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: kind of where the Vikings are. UM. I don't know

546
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: that that Zimmer is directly holding back the offense from

547
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: being kind of a pass forward, innovative offense, but I

548
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: know that his presence kind of does that because the

549
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: only types of offensive coordinators that he's ever gonna hire

550
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: or bring on board the types of offensive coordinators that

551
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: agree with him in the running game. So I don't

552
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: think he's like interfering with like the way the game

553
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: is called and asking for them to do this in

554
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: the game plan. He tried doing that with John d.

555
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: Filippo and that did not work out, so we just

556
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: fired him. Uh, And so he brings in offensive coordinators

557
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: that and you take a look at like what Pat

558
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Schirmer did after he left, You take a look at

559
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: what Kevin Spanski has done after Zimmer's left, and they're

560
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: doing the same stuff that they did, you know, with Zimmers.

561
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: So it's entirely about kind of who he's bringing to

562
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: the building and the culture that he's trying to establish,

563
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: which is I think from an offensive point of view,

564
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: a little bit backwards. Now Clint Kubiak comes from that tradition,

565
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: he's doing some kind of newer stuff. The Vikings are

566
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: doing motion a little bit more. I think they've hit

567
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: league average and pre snap motion rates. Um they're much

568
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: more willing to have three receivers on the field at

569
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: a time, which, like what an innovation that is, but

570
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: like it is a little bit more modern. The Vikings

571
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: are getting rid of the ball really quickly now, Like

572
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: I think Cousins is one of the faster times to

573
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: throw the first time in his career that he's ever

574
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: been in the top ten in that category. Um, So

575
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: they are doing some new stuff, but within that framework

576
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: of yeah, I mean, Devin Cook gets the ball thirty

577
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: times you win the game. That's just math. Like, that's

578
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: the framework that sometimes that they're still operating under it.

579
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: But you know, back to the shove, I mean, it's

580
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: kind of like the main reason I wanted to reef

581
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: on the show to deck. I'm sorry, um, but the

582
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: Zimmer and Cousins they like each other. Let's be honest.

583
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: Let's like they can has any quarterback that's played for Zimmer, like,

584
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: has he like really like mmer close, like like like

585
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: Teddy and Zimmer were like father and honestly, yeah, um,

586
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Like Zimmer was real broken up about the fact that

587
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: they had to move on from Teddy, which I mean,

588
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: did they have to? I don't know. I think he's

589
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of maybe transferred that resentment onto cousins, Like I

590
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: think that's kind of been unfair, Like, you know, son

591
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: in law is sort of like you have to live

592
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: up to these expectations sort of thing. Um. But yeah,

593
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean we asked because the Broncos held joint practices

594
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: with the Vikings this year, and we asked him, were

595
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: about Teddy? Because of course we did. Why wouldn't ask

596
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: about that, and he just like went off like about

597
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: how much he loved the kid, which is great. I mean,

598
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: you're right, everybody loves Teddy, but it's like very much

599
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: like when when when Cousins gets hit like in the

600
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: head when he's sliding or something like that. Yeah, Zimmer

601
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: will be mad and you'll yell. But like when that

602
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: happened to Teddy, especially, I think against the Rams a

603
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Uh, Zimmer went onto the field.

604
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: He was ready to fight some players. He yelled at

605
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: reps three different times in the same game. I mean,

606
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: this is poetry Gregg here, so just you know, I mean,

607
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: this is such a Kirk Cousins storyline though, because this

608
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: was his thing in Washington. Yeah, like the coaches and

609
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: the players, they don't really like love the guy has

610
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: his love full of play helped change that. I think

611
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: think in Minnesota because they obviously like Jefferson and Oz like,

612
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: they obviously must respect him. He's delivering some dimes right

613
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: now and he's pretty big and big moments. I think

614
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: Osborne especially right like a guy didn't even get an

615
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: offensive snap last year, had like less than six yards

616
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: in his final year of College. Like, yeah, no, absolutely,

617
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: Osbourne I think is probably on board what Cousins is

618
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: doing right now. Um, but yeah, like I I think

619
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: that he's earned their respect, but I think respect earned

620
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: through solely through level of play. He's like fairly thin ice, right,

621
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: because that can just fall off if your play falls off.

622
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Whereas like you know, Teddy won a locker room right,

623
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: like he just like he's not even playing all the

624
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: well and people love him right and so um that

625
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: that's I think a little bit harder to lose that

626
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of respect. Um. So that's kind of the question,

627
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: right if if Cousins kind of folds right and he's

628
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: a streaky quarterback, like you're right, especially the beginning of

629
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: this year, Cousins was on this incredible hot streak. Um,

630
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: now it's like a little bit less true, but he's

631
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: still kind of up there in terms of like a

632
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: lot of statistics and like you said, clutch moments. But

633
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: if but if, but if the streak turns the other direction,

634
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: which historically it has, you know, is he gonna be

635
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: able to maintain that respect? I mean, justin Jefferson his

636
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: rookie year, um, and these were just field outbursts that

637
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: they might not mean much, but there was like a

638
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Speaker 1: time where you got caught on the mic, you know,

639
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Speaker 1: yelling that he was open and Kirk didn't throw it

640
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: to him. Right, Um, I believe you know he cursed

641
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of a blue mention as well. But

642
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was actually a bad quarterback. He'd be like

643
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: the most hated man in NFL history. He's out, Yeah, yeah,

644
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Well I think that's the problem. I think you have

645
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: to be like exactly that good too, like create that

646
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: level of resentment, right because you get the feeling that

647
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: you're like because people didn't like hate Christian Ponder, they

648
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: were just like I would like to move on. But

649
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. It's not his fault with Cousins.

650
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: It's like, I know you can do this, Why aren't

651
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: you doing this? I see a new Kirk like and

652
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: that that touched on Osbourne. His underneath receiver was open,

653
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: and it's like Kirk Kirk went, oh yeah, he went

654
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: for the he went for the kill shot. He's like,

655
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving this up to Greg Joseph for or

656
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Lettin Zimmer run the ball on third and long to

657
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: set up a fifty yard field go I'm like, gonna

658
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: go for the win right now, not take the first down.

659
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: I do feel like he's he's playing like a little

660
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: scrambling more here, he's scrambling. I would just say let's

661
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: talk in a month. But okay, I mean, I'm I'm

662
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, I like being part of this

663
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: because I said, like, you know, Kirk Cousins is like

664
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: a you know, Baker Mayfield's future if he's lucky right now.

665
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, he would want he should

666
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: want to be Kirk. Now you're just starting fights with

667
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: a guest on the show. We don't have time for this.

668
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: We get it, I I get I think there's a

669
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: lot of Cousins in the league. Right, there's there's You've

670
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: got your Garoppolos and your Mayfields and your Tanne Hills.

671
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Right they all have various degrees of how much they're

672
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: willing to play kind of looser with the rules. Like

673
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: Mayfield and tann a little bit looser. Grappolo is a

674
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: little bit tighter. But yeah, no, I get it. I'm

675
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: on board. It's just like it's a tough thing to say, Well,

676
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: Bakers like plugging through an injury, probably shouldn't float through

677
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: um diag. We're gonna talk about Baker in a minute

678
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: with our TNF preview, but before we say goodbye to

679
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: a Reef, I'm gonna do it. I know you just

680
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: said they're capable of winning five in a row, the

681
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: kid will of losing five in a row, and that's

682
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: certainly true. But at the end of the day, we

683
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: come to you for the bottom line, and I'm setting

684
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: the vikings over under final win total at nine and

685
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: a half. Where you coming in it was like six

686
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: more games with okay, um, Yeah, I see it, I

687
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: see it. I'm gonna take over and half I'll take

688
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: I'll take the over. I don't know, it's more fun

689
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: if I take the over, So I'll just take it over,

690
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: right Because the NFC it's very murky. You know, you

691
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: have those superpower teams at the very top, and then

692
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of room for you to win. You know,

693
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: nine nine games might get you in a wild Yeah,

694
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: and you're lying numbers like the Packers are not that great,

695
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Like there's a there's an opportunity. I'm not saying they're

696
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: better than the Backers, but there's an opportunity they have.

697
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: They have five more division games, which is, you know,

698
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: a big chunk of the schedule. But they also have

699
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at the Ravens and Chargers at the forty niners.

700
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: The Rams are They're like, this is just like a

701
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of a lot more insanity to come. I do

702
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: feel like this was a good choice stand like the

703
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Vikings are just gonna be a great supporting character in this.

704
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know for sure. They're such

705
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: a jug head team and this is good for a

706
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: reef as as the beat guy. But like, doesn't it

707
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: feel in the stars that this particular and the Vikings

708
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: are infamous for having crushing losses across the spectrum regular

709
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: sets in the playoffs, This more than any other Vikings team,

710
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: seems like they're built for some type of Greek tragedy

711
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: of epic proportions come January. I hope it doesn't happen,

712
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: because Vikings fans don't deserve more of that. But I'm

713
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: a little worried about this team in particular. Oh yeah,

714
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: they're setting up all kinds of b plots. Yeah, no,

715
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 1: for sure, all right, yes. Check out North Code Reefs

716
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: podcast on the Minnesota Vikings. Also that Wide Left podcast.

717
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: This guy's got content all over the place, A refa son,

718
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: thank you buddy for joining us, and UH, enjoy the

719
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Thanks for having me. Thank you

720
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: enjoy it. See Ari bye week, little bye week check

721
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: in on the Minnesota Vikings. Who are they talking about

722
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: one team? We want to talk about all the teams. Relax,

723
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: We enjoy it, and we feel like not just Viking

724
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: stands enjoy it as well. It's good to get a

725
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: little get a little deeper. We literally talk about all

726
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: thirty two teams except for the bye week teams um

727
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: three different times every week on the Thursday preview, on

728
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: the Sunday recap and UH on the Friday Around the

729
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: NFL broadcast. Possibly too much, I you know, to be

730
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: fair depending on who the listeners, we should to spend

731
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Tuesday just like talking officiating and TV broadcast teams. Just

732
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: to save that sounds like sounds like Greg Solo pod.

733
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Not something that we that we're choosing to be on.

734
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: But now what you're really here for. Brown's talk on

735
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast Thursday Night for Baul Denver

736
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: Broncos at Cleveland Browns to three and three teams. Once

737
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: upon a time, the Browns were three and one, the

738
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Broncos were three and oh, but both squads have fallen

739
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: on hard times. It was announced on Thursday that Nick

740
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Chubb will not play on Thursday Night. We already know

741
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt who suffered that calf injury late and Sunday

742
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: Sunday's loss. Uh he is on the shelf for an

743
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: extended period uh weeks. He'll be out unfortunately. And then

744
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: you have the saga Mark Sessler of Baker Mayfield, who

745
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: um revealed to the media this week that he had,

746
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, he suffered the labor m tear. It's a

747
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: complete terror of the labor m he's now telling us,

748
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: and of the you know, the injury that he suffered

749
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: on Sunday against the Cardinals is added complexity to what's

750
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: going on. And yet he had a quote today that

751
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm the one who decides if I play or not,

752
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: and I am playing. Uh pet paraphrasing a little bit.

753
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: There is there somebody that might need to step into

754
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: protect Baker from Baker. I don't know if I'm if

755
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: I need to go there. Um well, I mean, well,

756
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: I mean but I don't because I because I think

757
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: it's spinning it like Baker's being reckless and out of control.

758
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: I think he just desperately wants to play the same

759
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: the medical profession can stop him from playing if they

760
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: if they believe he shouldn't play, they will stop him

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00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: from playing. So I would want that out of out

762
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: of a quarterback that you know you're gonna need people

763
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: to drag him off the field to not get in there.

764
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: And I don't think every NFL quarterback is that way.

765
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Um do I think he should? I mean, I guess

766
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: you know that's up to them, But I think that

767
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: he's been hindered. I mean, you saw much he was

768
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: in severe pain after he reinjured it in that last game.

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00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: I think it does um affect what you could ask

770
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield to do on things like rollouts and certain

771
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, some of the stuff that I think he

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00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: was more effective at last year, like the percentage of

773
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: those plays they've run has gone down a bunch in

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00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Um, And you know he's

775
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: in a tough spot. You look at the Browns and

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00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: you know, if the both teams are three and three,

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00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: there's no question that you know. I'm seeing stuff already

778
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: on Twitter that the Browns were the most disappointing team

779
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean injuries. You cannot blame everything

780
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: on injuries, but in this game, they've been stripped of

781
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: the identity we've latched onto all off season and through

782
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: last year, which is the best offensive line in the league,

783
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: which may not have either tackle we'll see. They haven't

784
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: put either of those guys on I R. Which I

785
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: think is notable that they're going to be playing soon.

786
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: But this Thursday, we don't know. Best backfield in the

787
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: league completely gone. Uh you know, you just you got

788
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: white outs that are banged up. So who's gonna step up?

789
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be the defense that was completely overwhelmed

790
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: and flamed by the Cardinals against this Teddy Bridgewater Broncos offense. Maybe,

791
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: but they've got plenty of weapons too. I don't like

792
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: the set up for the Browns at all. I think

793
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: the Browns after last year, coming out of that season

794
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: saying that Kevin Stefanski, outside of a couple wipe outs

795
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: early on by a f C North foes, was the

796
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: coach of the year and someone that you could trust

797
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: implicitly with game plans week after week. Has had some

798
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: issues up in this season up and down. I mean

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00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: they I love them going forward on fourth downs, but

800
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: they have been terrible on these fourth down attempts. It's

801
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: cost some points. Um, you don't veer away from that strategy.

802
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: I get it. You'd be absolutely removed from the media

803
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: to suggest as much everyone wants to go for it

804
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: on fourth and everything, and that's who they are. But

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00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: they've not been successful and a lot of that is

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00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield, and Baker Mayfield has not played well

807
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: in three weeks. The Chargers game, he played well, but

808
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: like he did not do what you need at quarterback

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00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: to do. At the very end, I'm with you with

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00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: on that guy's I'm not trying to stick up for

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00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: him left and right. Um, this is a very tough spot.

812
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: And von Miller before you know today, basically announced that

813
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: he is going to destroy whoever, whatever human being. The

814
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: attempt to put it left is directly correlated to how

815
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: long his monologue is. Well, no, because you know you

816
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: got you get one shot on this show to talk,

817
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: so then it's over. But I'll tell you something else,

818
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: Like it's not nerves. It's not nerves, it's like they are.

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00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: If anything, I feel I feel honestly and make you.

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00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: Guys may deal with your fandom differently like my My

821
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: move is typically to start to detach emotionally because I

822
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Speaker 1: I don't really like where this is going. The vibe

823
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: is ill right now. I don't like the vibe of

824
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: the Browns at all. I told you that going into

825
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: the Cardinals game they don't stack up, and now they're

826
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Speaker 1: completely depleted. Well, this, this matchup sets up perfect because

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Speaker 1: the Broncos are, if not the worst, among the worst

828
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Speaker 1: teams in terms of pass rush, in terms of pass

829
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Speaker 1: rush win rate. So you would think you don't get

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Speaker 1: after Baker too much. I'd love to see, you know,

831
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Speaker 1: if those tackles are playing. I think they both might.

832
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Speaker 1: We we don't know. That's a huge factor. The issue

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00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: with Baker's injury though, and saving him from himself is

834
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: he's the one that keeps getting himself hurt. His number

835
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: one fault as a player is getting sacked. He is

836
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: second worst than the NFL in like a staff PFF has,

837
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: which is like converted press sure into sacks. He's one

838
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: of the most sack quarterbacks in the league, and yet

839
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: he's one of the least pressure quarterbacks in the league.

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00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: You can see it. He thinks he's Russell Wilson. He

841
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: thinks he's Aaron Rodgers. The play he got hurt on

842
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: was a play he just held it forever. And he

843
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna make these plays and he does sometimes.

844
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't have made that Hail Mary without

845
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: great escapability and incredible arm. But more than those great like,

846
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't make them at a rate that it's worth it.

847
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: And he gets sacked a lot and a lot of

848
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: the time it's on him, like they have protected him

849
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: well and in the calibration of when to let go

850
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: of the ball has not been there this year, especially

851
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: on Sunday against the Cardinals, like those sacks were on him.

852
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: And so that's It's it's a lot of things. It's receivers,

853
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: it's the it's the offensive game plan. But like that's

854
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: the number one thing I think he needs to fix.

855
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: And I think the Broncos are a great team to

856
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: do it against because they're really struggling to do anything defensively.

857
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: We thought they'd be a good defensive team and they're

858
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: giving up thirty a week right now. They're big. Denver

859
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: has lost three straight games, and uh yeah, they they're

860
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: not getting after the quarterback. They're struggling to protect Teddy Bridgewater.

861
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Bridgewater when he's pressured, is making mistakes. Uh. He had

862
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: three interceptions, one of them in garbage time. But he

863
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't play well at all. Last week. He was sacked

864
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: five times. They're missing opportunities. So it's like my take

865
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: on the Browns because yes, they are banged up. A

866
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: lot of teams are banged up. The Browns are especially

867
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: banged up right now. But you just no showed against

868
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: the Chargers. You're in your building, it's a short week,

869
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: You've got a struggling Denver team. Miles Garrett, clean up,

870
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: kick ass. Win this game on your own, Baker, if

871
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: you're playing, find a way to get Odell Beckham involved,

872
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: make some big plays, get a couple of splash plays.

873
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: You're not gonna score ton of points to beat the

874
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, but you're gonna need to score a couple

875
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: of touchdowns. And I think there are there's still star

876
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: talent intact in Cleveland and at home on a short

877
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: week against the struggling team, win game and then get

878
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: to take the many by and and try to get healthy.

879
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: I think that's that This is like a survive in

880
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: advance because I think if Cleveland doesn't win this game,

881
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: all the things that you're saying mark about kind of

882
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: the bad vibes in the bed juju around it, it's

883
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: going to amplify. And there's they're gonna be really if

884
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: you're hearing buzz now about the Browns being one of

885
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: the most disappointing teams, if they lose at home on

886
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: Thursday of the Broncos, it's gonna be amplified times too.

887
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: So they gotta find a way in this game. And

888
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: and to your point with Myles Garrett, I mean Teddy

889
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: was sacked five times. He took thirteen hits against the Raiders.

890
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: Um the Raiders blitzed on three point six percent of

891
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: the time that game, So you know that's another quarterback

892
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: that's taking punishment. And this defense, for all, for how

893
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: stacked their secondary is, they have given up twenty three

894
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: pass plays that are twenty plus yards, which is worse

895
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: than all but seven other teams in the league. So

896
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: there should be opportunities. This defense has not become what

897
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: we thought it would be in August, not yet. Uh.

898
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: And their offensive line is not is not perfect by

899
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. So Miles Garrett does need

900
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: to show up. He has to have one of those

901
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: games where you questionable look at him as a defensive

902
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: Player of the Year type candidate. Even last weeks. Even

903
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: last week, though I thought their defense kept them competitive

904
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: in a in a in a way that you know

905
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: the offense couldn't stack up. There was a stretch in

906
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: that game where they they they forced a couple three

907
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: and ounce in a row, and they stopped the Cardinals

908
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: from scoring touchdowns on short fields either two or three

909
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: times in row. And that was like a five drive

910
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: set there, And that's where the offense needs to, like,

911
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: your offense needs to take advantage during that stretch. You

912
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: can't ask for that much more against the Cardinals if

913
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: you throw away the Chargers game when they didn't have

914
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: Clowney reward and they really were injured on defense or

915
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: getting healthier. And now I think they've generally shown they

916
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: can they can beat some bad teams, or that they

917
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: can make a difference. It's right now, the Broncos offense

918
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: is mediocre at best. Your county on Tim Patrick in

919
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton to make place Jevanti Williams is absolut really

920
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: a good running back. But this is a mid level

921
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: offense that was counting on their defense to be very good.

922
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: Instead the defense is as bad or worse than the offense.

923
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: I do think the Browns have more players. I think

924
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: they have more ways that they can beat you. I'd

925
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: love to know that the tackles are playing, or even

926
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: one of them. That certainly would help the pass the

927
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: game against Denver. But I do think it the matchup

928
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: works out okay because Denver right now they just can't

929
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: get after the passer, and I think the Browns will

930
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: be able to score enough to win. They gotta win

931
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: this game. They are favored, not not by a ton,

932
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: but if Baker is playing, you gotta win this game.

933
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: You can't go three and four, you know, when you're

934
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: really honestly playing a team in Denver that is beatable,

935
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: no matter why. The injuries are one thing. I'm not

936
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: putting this all on the injuries. I mean you're right

937
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: there in that like there are five or six teams

938
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: that are scattered on that. For the well, the Ravens.

939
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: You know they have seventeen players in I are that

940
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: leads the league. They're not all premier players. But you're right,

941
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: like their position groups were wiped out going into the year. Right,

942
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: the Broncos are very similar and Teddy Bridgewater showed the

943
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: strain of it last week, like he collapsed in that game.

944
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: He played an awful game by far. His words on

945
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: the team of uhe of th h A L. I

946
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: mean they're not playing well. I thought the defense would

947
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: be a lot better there, hurt um that you know,

948
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna get Jerry Judy back, which I think will help,

949
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: but it's not going to be for this game. It

950
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: doesn't look like and that that was what was gonna

951
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: make them special, like all of these guys to throw

952
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: to plus a good defense. The defense like isn't good.

953
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: That surprises me. I think Fonio maybe can figure some

954
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: things out. They're still healthy in the secondary. They shouldn't

955
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: be this bad. Uh, But they need to win this

956
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: game too. This is kind of a you know, boats

957
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: sailing and direct different you know, yeah, that's right. Questions

958
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: about his job future A right, right, I which is

959
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: not surprising. If the Broncos could win this game, they

960
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: get to four and three again, they hope they get

961
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: Judy back, and like you hope that this is a

962
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: bad threat of the season. If their defense doesn't get

963
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: better than this, I mean they're cuke there. Pinch yourself, Greg,

964
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: you got Geno uh in prime time like three or

965
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: four weeks in a row. Here Gino versus Jamis in

966
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: prime jais you got? And now you're gonna get um

967
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: the team of fall Um in prime time against Marks Brownies.

968
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: And by the way, Mark is I'll be uh listening

969
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: in like the rest of you. Mark says he has

970
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: a special guest joining him for the Thursday Night recap,

971
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: So I mean, I feel like win or lose, you're

972
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: gonna want to check out and see, uh get Sessler's temperature. Well,

973
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: I By the way, there wasn't some sort of power

974
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: move where I removed you from the TNF recap. This

975
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: was something you know behind the scenes. You have family there,

976
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that you know you you said you

977
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: will take a seat and I will make a power move.

978
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: Those are your exact words. That sounds like something i'd say, right, yeah, Well,

979
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: I hope it works out for you. Mark. Oh, isn't

980
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: it better for you if it goes terribly, terribly poor?

981
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: And then I know we wanted to go Well, I

982
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: just you're really building up this special guest. Well now,

983
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: I think though now maybe too much. Like I mean,

984
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: they are a very special, you know, individual, but I

985
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: think they would be annoyed that I'm pumping them up

986
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: to this degree. Possibly very interesting. Alright, good stuff. Check

987
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: it out and Connie fox Um will be of course

988
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: anchoring the coverage on NFL Network, so make sure you

989
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: watch that as well. All right, good stuff, Tuesday show

990
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: in the books. Anybody have any final thoughts? Greg, get

991
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: your expenses done from our trip to London. I have

992
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: not done that now. Oh, people should know that we

993
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to address it on UM Sunday night,

994
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: and I'm afraid that I'll forget Thursday and then people

995
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: will just be confused. But I got him, you know,

996
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: breaking news here, Ricky. This was the the terms of

997
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: the trade um between Greg and I. Greg, of course, famously,

998
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: last Thursday got jumped in the draft because of a

999
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: hesitation like two thousand seven Viking style. Um. I swooped in.

1000
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: I took his beloved Chargers Ravens ball game. Greg came

1001
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: to me privately, pat in hand, he said, listen, we

1002
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: gotta make this happen. We gotta we gotta make a

1003
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: trade here. I need that game. And I saw leverage

1004
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: and I um exercised it and I said, okay, you

1005
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: can have that game on Sunday. That will be your

1006
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: game that your primary watching. And I get to jump

1007
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: you at any point in the season going forward in

1008
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: drafts three times on three occasions. So I have three

1009
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: jumps of Greg Rosenthal, uh, starting in Week seven through

1010
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs for really week seven or week eighteen. So

1011
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that because I'm hoping to make

1012
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: the jumps really really hurt quite frankly, I want to.

1013
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: I want it really to stick in Greg's side. And

1014
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: I knew you were and the Chargers and Ravens. It

1015
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: wasn't even a good game like the what would be

1016
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: the best for the show because I said, you could

1017
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: just jump me the whole rest of the season, but you,

1018
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: to your credit as a host, realized, like there's not

1019
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: as much excitement, uh in that it'll it'll feel more

1020
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: more drama with with this setup. I mean, Greg, I

1021
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: have to ask, I mean, a you know, your first

1022
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: lever poll was in Mike Tice fashion to completely miss

1023
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: the pick um and then you turn around and overcompensate

1024
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: Dan to an extreme level. The the Greg's inner front

1025
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: office is um, you know, I would say at this

1026
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: point in turmoil, it's Belichick in It's like I live

1027
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: in the moment though, and then ultimately I realized, like

1028
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: if you just told me I'm picking third the rest

1029
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: of the season every week, I'm fine with that. Just

1030
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: give me the game. I wanted to short downplay it,

1031
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, downplay it as you as you need to.

1032
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: That's fine, Fine with that, alright, good stuff. You do,

1033
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: get the turn, you know, you get the you get them.

1034
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: What was that? That was the snake? That was a snake?

1035
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't make it snakes. That's the snake,

1036
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: all right. Schedule Thursday, preview show Friday around the NFL broadcast.

1037
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: The numbers are we're just doing huge numbers, um both

1038
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: nationally and internationally. We're doing big numbers. So if you

1039
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: want to get on, it's like getting on the surfboard

1040
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: before the big wave, before it's like, you know, you

1041
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: want to be on. You don't want to miss the wave.

1042
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: That's my surfing analogy. Matt money Smith probably can do

1043
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: it better. Get on the board because we're doing huge

1044
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: numbers week after week. I think you nailed it from

1045
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: a kind of it's a good show. It's a good show.

1046
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: We were getting better and it's a good show. Is

1047
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: it a good show because it does huge numbers? Or

1048
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: does it do huge numbers because it's a good show

1049
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: that they ask questions, don't ask questions. We're just we're

1050
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: writing that. You know, Sunday Deposit put it right. Thank

1051
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: you to her, Arif Hassan. This is Dan handsOn signing

1052
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: off for Ricky Hollywood, who I think is alive. I

1053
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: don't know. We haven't heard much for her. She's been

1054
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: under the weather. Ricky, I'm here. I made it. Are

1055
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: you physically in a good place? Yes? Yeah. It took

1056
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: about a full week. But no one, no one can

1057
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: get sick, no one can get injured. This, these these

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Speaker 1: four people together, we must, we mean, we need to

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Speaker 1: get on a Cal Ripken like streak starting now. All right,

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Speaker 1: hands signing off for Cal Ripken. Is a baseball player

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Speaker 1: played many games in a row. You gotta connect the dots,

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Speaker 1: especially the international listeners like who's Cal Ripken? Stupid Calvin Riken,

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Speaker 1: you say, tail players that he'd gone s