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Speaker 1: you about premiere of season four. It feels like it's
Speaker 1: been a minute since we don't know yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: since we like watched an episode, because we've just been
Speaker 1: bopping around saying hi to people, wearing for jamas, kissing
Speaker 1: kissing babies. Thank god, this was like forty minutes of
Speaker 1: recap in this episode too. We did joy. Oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's the same deep Water as you. Air date
Speaker 1: September thousand six. The synopsis is the aftermath of the
Speaker 1: post wedding car accident unfolds. While Hayley is deeply affected
Speaker 1: by Nathan's attempt to rescue deeply um deeply screaming at
Speaker 1: the top of her lungs and Rachel. Brooke confronts Lucas
Speaker 1: with her true feelings, and Peyton makes a startling discovery,
Speaker 1: pressured by the fact that someone might know he killed
Speaker 1: his brother Dan assault step Oh good to know he
Speaker 1: had a reason. I was about to say, what a
Speaker 1: terrible write up. I don't know how I feel about
Speaker 1: a justification there? Who did this? Right? Up? Yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: I was feeling so much pressure I had to strangle
Speaker 1: my wife. Yeah. I just had to do something so
Speaker 1: violent that all the women watching the show screamed at this. God, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was weird. I was like that. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: our show is what going into season four? We have
Speaker 1: some tried and true themes here. Okay, one tree Hill
Speaker 1: loves a fake pregnancy. I had totally for gotten about
Speaker 1: like the bait and switch like pregnancy thing. But Brooke
Speaker 1: did that one season one too. When was that? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it was first season when she thought, yeah, when she
Speaker 1: thought she was pregnant, and then I found out she
Speaker 1: she was late and then went to the doctor. But
Speaker 1: then Lucas said that disgusting thing to her, and she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna make you suffer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's just gonna make you regret that in our
Speaker 1: writer's minds, like this is what bitchy girls do. They
Speaker 1: lie to you about being pregnant. Like I just this
Speaker 1: is how women manipulate men. And it's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: women at best can get pregnant for a twenty four
Speaker 1: hour period once a month. Dudes can just run around
Speaker 1: and pregnant and girls all day long, every single day,
Speaker 1: every single month in every' here here, Like but this
Speaker 1: notion that like these these women, this is how they
Speaker 1: though is are they actually? Is anyone actually intentionally? I
Speaker 1: thought it was all just a misunderstanding with the purses.
Speaker 1: Rachel tells Cooper at the beginning of the episode. It's
Speaker 1: what Rachel does, that's right. I thought she didn't tell him.
Speaker 1: I thought it was an implication. And then that's why
Speaker 1: in the finale of three, you don't know who it is.
Speaker 1: But in the beginning of this episode, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of buried in the flashbacks, they extended the flashbacks
Speaker 1: so clearly we shot some of the season four episode
Speaker 1: one while we shot season three finale. But but in
Speaker 1: the in this episode, she says I'm pregnant, and he says,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so and
Speaker 1: then she says to mouth, you know I said it.
Speaker 1: I said it to scare him. I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: And it's like this big regret thing she has, and
Speaker 1: and it is it's like, have have the dudes in
Speaker 1: our writer's room ever dated anybody like goling on? They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: pregnancy the worst? What are we gonna do? I mean,
Speaker 1: it is telling that those that those like horrible things
Speaker 1: girls do, you know, fake pregnancy things never made it
Speaker 1: into the episodes that any of the guys on our
Speaker 1: writing staff who were actually dad's, like the actual dads,
Speaker 1: were like, that's not real, that's not that's kind of interest.
Speaker 1: The other we we established a couple other patterns, so
Speaker 1: we know we love a fake pregnancy injury hill. We
Speaker 1: also love a car wreck like one number were on
Speaker 1: at this point there have been so many car three
Speaker 1: four work in that hospital. And then we love the
Speaker 1: hospital the theme of the fuked up wedding, So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't around for Brooks wedding, but did something happen Dad?
Speaker 1: I think like something went wrong, but it was it
Speaker 1: was like not like not drama. Honestly, all I remember
Speaker 1: from the wedding from Brooks Wedding is that the vows
Speaker 1: were so bad that I rewrote them, and that Joy
Speaker 1: you were pregnant and we were just like having a
Speaker 1: great time because we decited to meet Maria. That's it.
Speaker 1: I rewrote the vows and you and I like, did
Speaker 1: this the eye point thing that wasn't scripted and the
Speaker 1: fans die for it, and I'm like, yeah, it's because
Speaker 1: we're awesome people for us, Like that's all. That's literally
Speaker 1: all I remember. I just I want to know when
Speaker 1: you have to writers went to that traumatized them so
Speaker 1: badly that they were like, I've never been to a
Speaker 1: wedding that didn't end in a you know, crash and burn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's just classic TV drama. I mean every
Speaker 1: Dallas Dynasty, you know, name your soap and whatever it is,
Speaker 1: that's the classic. Like where do you get more high
Speaker 1: drama than a wedding and then everything going wrong. I
Speaker 1: mean it's even a Game of Thrones thing like the
Speaker 1: Red Wedding had one of those famous things from that,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to get to the next level.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if we're gonna go, let's go
Speaker 1: all the way in when you asked, you know, when
Speaker 1: you asked, like, you know what what egs of these
Speaker 1: writer has been to us? Like, yeah, did somebody get
Speaker 1: left at the altar? And then I was like, oh
Speaker 1: ship Lindsay does that to Luca? Yes, Keith and Maria manus,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know Peyton bleeds out after her wedding.
Speaker 1: How many weddings have we had? Now? We had so
Speaker 1: we had Keith and Jules, we had Nathan and Haley.
Speaker 1: This is the second Nathan and Haley wedding, second Nathan.
Speaker 1: So that's three weddings. But we know one more, yea.
Speaker 1: We know that they that that Lucas and Lindsay are
Speaker 1: going to go sideways. We know that Lucas and Peyton
Speaker 1: are going to go sideways. What other weddings are there?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, but you're not.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is not an ironic thing to say.
Speaker 1: Is the human who just got married and had the
Speaker 1: best time that weekend? But it's like, yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Maybe you should just alope and like save
Speaker 1: that money to buy some I love that Elizabeth Taylor
Speaker 1: Courthouse vibe. Man, give me a pillbox hat and a
Speaker 1: piece of paper to sign. And right after we were
Speaker 1: in Vegas, one of my childhood friends got married in
Speaker 1: Vegas and it looked like the sexiest cool you know,
Speaker 1: Elvis married them. It was so fun. Yeah, that's hot.
Speaker 1: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonahs did that and the pictures
Speaker 1: were sick. I actually made you guys. You know I
Speaker 1: love a Pinterest board. I have a secret Pinterest board
Speaker 1: that is a full like retro courthouse wedding, like l
Speaker 1: a classic kind of a thing. Because there was a
Speaker 1: point where I was like, well, if we're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to have a wedding, like if if
Speaker 1: the numbers and the risk of gathering in this pandemic
Speaker 1: are going to remain so high, like when we didn't
Speaker 1: really know if there would be lulls in the summer,
Speaker 1: kind of like we know now. I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to plan something great and I
Speaker 1: like literally designed to hold back up wedding around the
Speaker 1: pictures I thought would be cute just in case people
Speaker 1: could go. I was like, it'll be great, it'll be cute.
Speaker 1: It was. It was very Liz Taylor. I didn't think
Speaker 1: about it. Joy, Thank you for yes for that little nugget.
Speaker 1: I hope you I hope you get to use that
Speaker 1: some I know. I told Grant, I was like, we'll
Speaker 1: have to do it for like a vournewell or something.
Speaker 1: It'd be so fun. But the idea that that you
Speaker 1: had like an eight am wedding, like everyone's in the
Speaker 1: hospital by two pm, so you're ceremony like, look at back,
Speaker 1: let's back right. I'm pretty sure we had to eat
Speaker 1: chicken and steak and ship at your wedding like it
Speaker 1: was a nighttime wedding. And then to see that everyone's
Speaker 1: in the hospital by two pm. This was a brunch wedding.
Speaker 1: This was like a breakfast wedding. You guys are in
Speaker 1: the Mustang going to your honeymoon at two oh one pm.
Speaker 1: Oh you saw that, you noticed? Yeah, yeah, we got
Speaker 1: married a love and we partied until until too, I
Speaker 1: mean awesome. And and maybe that's the thing. Why didn't
Speaker 1: we think of that, Like we could have been like
Speaker 1: like done with our day had we had a morning
Speaker 1: wedding and then still you know, been able to be
Speaker 1: on the news, go to the hospital back and forth,
Speaker 1: have some pregnancy tests, like so they make fun of
Speaker 1: themselves in this episode, A writer's because they say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: how come bad days last forever? But like, legitimately, the
Speaker 1: fact that everything that happened one day is ridiculous. You
Speaker 1: called it when Moira was in the hospital room talking
Speaker 1: with her doctor about her pregnancy. I'll tell you why
Speaker 1: she in the hospital doing that instead of at a
Speaker 1: private wow. I mean whatever, because the boy wrote it
Speaker 1: and they don't know how girls were. I guess it's
Speaker 1: also like, who has an appointment with their doctor at
Speaker 1: what eight nine o'clock at night? Because Hayley was asleep,
Speaker 1: Brooke woke her up, Like, no doctor is going to
Speaker 1: let you in the opposite that hour. Well, let's talk
Speaker 1: about what else no doctor is gonna let you do.
Speaker 1: If you were driving drunk a you'd be handcuffed to
Speaker 1: your bed, which Rachel was not. But also they would
Speaker 1: never let her into Cooper's room, and she's just in
Speaker 1: there all the time. She's in there all the time.
Speaker 1: She's in there when he's being defibrillated. Like the first
Speaker 1: thing they do is they push friends and family out
Speaker 1: of the room when there is a code, like because
Speaker 1: you have to do terrible things to humans, so like
Speaker 1: bring them back to life. Yeah, because you did a
Speaker 1: medical show. You you did, good, Sam, tell us what
Speaker 1: you learned happens in those rooms? Oh my god. Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing I said when I watched, you know,
Speaker 1: Cooper starts coding and you see people like run past
Speaker 1: his room but not into it. I'm like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work like that. They run in immediately and start CPR
Speaker 1: and call for a crash card. And by the way,
Speaker 1: like we had to have had a medical person on set.
Speaker 1: Whoever let that sweet extra person who was playing the
Speaker 1: doctor give the worst CPR I have ever seen. I
Speaker 1: was just like, come on, empower your actors, help her,
Speaker 1: especially if we're gonna be in a hospital every single episode, Like,
Speaker 1: just invest the team, Just let's make the commitment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they bought a hospital. They okay, so that hot for
Speaker 1: our listeners who don't know that hospital. That was the
Speaker 1: first time I think that we had gotten that we
Speaker 1: were out of the hospital set in our stages and
Speaker 1: they actually bought an old factory, do you guys, that's right?
Speaker 1: And so we we took over a side of this
Speaker 1: factory on the ground floor and that became our hospital
Speaker 1: set for the next six years. So yeah, you think
Speaker 1: they would have gotten as a medical team too, And
Speaker 1: it was so weird because you'd go to this factory
Speaker 1: and it was like creepy and a little like they's
Speaker 1: just weird abandoned hallway energy. And then you'd make a
Speaker 1: right and there'd be sliding doors and you'd be in
Speaker 1: a pastel hospital with like you know, the room where
Speaker 1: the babies are and the room where surgeries happened. We
Speaker 1: were it was just like a total It was like
Speaker 1: a mind warp. It was very strange and weird. Love
Speaker 1: that when we're in a hospital setting we don't have
Speaker 1: to hide our p a s because like there's just
Speaker 1: like people in your people clothes. In the last being
Speaker 1: in the elevator with me for the people missed it,
Speaker 1: a production assistant named Lasseter and she was like a
Speaker 1: chick our age who we partied with after work. And
Speaker 1: she's the only girls on the a D staff and
Speaker 1: she is very clearly in the elevator with Sophia the
Speaker 1: whole time, and she's, my god, that's so funny. I
Speaker 1: gotta go back and watch. So it's it's in that
Speaker 1: moment for you guys at home, when Peyton arrives at
Speaker 1: the hospital, hugs Lucas and then the elevator opens to
Speaker 1: reveal Brooke and she sees Peyton and Lucas together again.
Speaker 1: Which is the theme for Brook in this whole episode
Speaker 1: is that like you choose her every time, like you
Speaker 1: say you want to be with me, but you actually
Speaker 1: choose her, you call her, you know, she's the first
Speaker 1: person you go to. And and the like visual representation
Speaker 1: of that, which is such a gut punch from Brooke,
Speaker 1: was totally ruined for the three of us because we
Speaker 1: burst out laughing because we saw last Oh my god,
Speaker 1: there was no well, she had to be there because
Speaker 1: the elevator doors, there was no It wasn't a real elevator.
Speaker 1: I think it was just doors built into a wall
Speaker 1: and a hole in the room, and so she was
Speaker 1: she had to be there to push the buttons open
Speaker 1: at the exact right moment. Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 1: like dudes with a pulley, Like I don't even get it.
Speaker 1: It was just like someone with a pulley that would
Speaker 1: open the doors and then that would have a cute
Speaker 1: People were ready outside the elevator with her little she
Speaker 1: was in there with the wakie talkie, that's what she
Speaker 1: was doing. We also need to talk about unexpected things
Speaker 1: we don't expect to see our women doing on screen,
Speaker 1: be they are pas or our actors. UM. I wasn't
Speaker 1: totally prepared for Peyton to go full Blair witch like
Speaker 1: a fire in her bedroom, um, epic setting spells to
Speaker 1: remove Brooke from her relationships. What Sophia? It worked, It worked,
Speaker 1: but like you going full single white female, like tearing
Speaker 1: me out of a photo and then gluing you and
Speaker 1: Lucas back together killed me. I remember thinking while we
Speaker 1: filmed it, like do we want to encourage girls to
Speaker 1: set fires in their room? Like? Is that? So? How
Speaker 1: did you not set off the smoke detector in your
Speaker 1: house there? I definitely set a garbage fire in my
Speaker 1: bedroom before when I was a teenage girl. God, look,
Speaker 1: if you don't have a cold ring, if you don't
Speaker 1: have like a heavy bottomed vessel, you're asking for trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, for sure, No, I just did. My bedroom
Speaker 1: was a fire hazard when I was a kid. I
Speaker 1: used to have those old that old heater that you
Speaker 1: turned like you turned on then it was those, but
Speaker 1: it was it was a portable radiator, you know, So like,
Speaker 1: just don't put in near the blankets. I definitely used
Speaker 1: to do things like dramatically burned notes or pictures or
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, I would grab the metal garbage
Speaker 1: can from the bathroom and like do a little ceremony
Speaker 1: to I definitely once burned a bunch of after like
Speaker 1: something went sideways, but I did it vague. So Fayard
Speaker 1: had to fire once because it's like suddenly we're in
Speaker 1: masterpiece theater. But yeah, but I did it outside. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna drag this thing out here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna settle this on fire. I'm gonna watch it burn.
Speaker 1: It was. It was very um. It did kind of
Speaker 1: feel like the Craft, but it was therapeutic. That moment
Speaker 1: was going to be clearly like accurate teenage moment in
Speaker 1: the whole plot, in the whole episode. It's like, I
Speaker 1: gotta burn this today, Like Peyton Strong, I'm done energy.
Speaker 1: We have to thank for the sex. Thanks killing favorite
Speaker 1: line ever, somebody put it on a T shirt and
Speaker 1: bring it to me. We have to remember it's all
Speaker 1: one day. So Peyton, like the night before the rehearsal
Speaker 1: dinner or whatever, it's like, I'm really gonna admit to
Speaker 1: Brook that I like Locuez and then she comes over
Speaker 1: and we're like in our bridal dresses. Still in Peyton
Speaker 1: is like crying hard, like, Brook, don't leave me. I
Speaker 1: love you. I told you first. I'm not. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to be with him. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's all yours. And then this episode happens, which we
Speaker 1: filmed three months later but was supposed to be like
Speaker 1: an exact match, and Peyton's like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna burn this and then gonna go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt your boyfriend, and then I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: sit on his bed and talk about bands. Like the
Speaker 1: turn is so strong full, good for her, good for
Speaker 1: her many it's funny. It's funny to see when when
Speaker 1: it is so clear that there are devices that the
Speaker 1: writers need to move the story along, Like, no, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense that Peyton has that turn in twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. But to your point, we've been off the
Speaker 1: air all summer. It's September. We have to like get
Speaker 1: back in with the drama. And you know, even Joy
Speaker 1: you pointed out for Haley, like why is she up
Speaker 1: on that bridge. Everybody's running to the river and Haley
Speaker 1: doesn't go, and it's like well, because they will. They
Speaker 1: liked the shop from the water to the bridge, so
Speaker 1: they made you stay up there so that they could
Speaker 1: keep cutting to that angle. It's just so out of
Speaker 1: character for Haley, I know, but like looking into the
Speaker 1: mud on either side of the river, like wasn't a
Speaker 1: good looking shot, So like that's a director's choice, and
Speaker 1: it's so I don't know. That's one of the things
Speaker 1: that's so funny to me doing this when we get
Speaker 1: together every week and we just go like, oh man,
Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into the making of every
Speaker 1: episode of television but doesn't have anything to do with
Speaker 1: anything other than people's opinions about how television should be made.
Speaker 1: That was so hard doing that scene for me because
Speaker 1: of that, because I my every instinct in me wanted
Speaker 1: to tear the dress off, run down the side and
Speaker 1: jump in the water. That felt like that's what but
Speaker 1: instead I just had to stand there screaming and running
Speaker 1: for help and asking other people to do things for me.
Speaker 1: And I was just saying to you guys when we
Speaker 1: were watching the episode, I was like, this is panic
Speaker 1: is so unnatural for me. I'm not a panicker. I
Speaker 1: go into a fight mode. I give into like how
Speaker 1: do we fix it? How do we fix it in
Speaker 1: the emergency? So the idea of having to just stand
Speaker 1: there and be panicked, I felt like it's just my
Speaker 1: worst acting, so hard to do, no joy. But it's not.
Speaker 1: It's like we were filming it three months later. There's
Speaker 1: not a limo poken up out of the water. They
Speaker 1: just yell action and you're supposed to look at calm
Speaker 1: water and be like, Okay, I guess we're doing this.
Speaker 1: And also, didn't we just see kickboxing in the apartment
Speaker 1: where we just this is what I'm saying. It's not
Speaker 1: a character. She's a tough girl. Man, she would have
Speaker 1: been in them. But you're right, it's just that's part
Speaker 1: of the device that what's what needed to be done
Speaker 1: in order to create the full realm of drama that
Speaker 1: they needed to get. Well perfect example of the makeover
Speaker 1: and Nathan and Hailey's a artment where as a bubble
Speaker 1: wall now bubbles, where did that come from? Like? Can
Speaker 1: you imagine the tone meeting? You guys? Before every single episode,
Speaker 1: there's a tone meeting where all the heads of all
Speaker 1: the different departments get together and the you know, the
Speaker 1: writers and the director and everybody gets together like, these
Speaker 1: are the props we need. This is what we need
Speaker 1: the sets to look like. And somebody was like, so
Speaker 1: Nathan's going through some stuff and we really need him
Speaker 1: to see some bubbles like and quari um, but no fish,
Speaker 1: just bubbles, just shot. Can you make you? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: then what we'll do is we'll put it under a
Speaker 1: giant mural of the London Bridge because it'll be a
Speaker 1: reminder of the drowning, but also of all the money
Speaker 1: they lost on a honeymoon they didn't yes, and they'll
Speaker 1: talk about it in the scene. That'll do it. You guys,
Speaker 1: just hammer it hammered in, folks. It's just occurring to
Speaker 1: that we filmed this in the era of sky Mall,
Speaker 1: back when there was there was so all of our
Speaker 1: bosses were flying back and forth between a Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and will Be Did all the time, and it just
Speaker 1: occurred to me that someone got drunk on Skymall. What
Speaker 1: did that big? What do I do with this? Guys?
Speaker 1: I don't know Nathan Haley's apartment. Oh my god, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I loved that magazine. Yeah, where am I going to
Speaker 1: find my big statues? Now? So Brooke gives up on
Speaker 1: Brooke and Lucas pretty pretty. I don't know, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that? Does it feel like natural to you?
Speaker 1: That transition? You know? What I liked about it because look,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of stuff, you know, to
Speaker 1: your point, like Peyton turning in twenty four hours and
Speaker 1: going from I'm really sorry and I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: a good friend to like you wm gonna have sex
Speaker 1: with your boyfriend, Like that's intense. I think. I think
Speaker 1: the swiftness of some of it, you know, from the
Speaker 1: end of one season to the beginning of another, can
Speaker 1: feel clunky. What I like that is the through line
Speaker 1: for Brooke here is that if you think about this
Speaker 1: is all happening, you know, in the course of twenty
Speaker 1: four hours, She's had this hugely emotional moment at the
Speaker 1: wedding and said, I need you to need me back.
Speaker 1: I need you to pick me like I need you
Speaker 1: to be in this relationship with me in the way
Speaker 1: that I'm in this with you. And she has explained
Speaker 1: throughout season three that she's had to get over trust
Speaker 1: issues to be here. She's had to lean into the
Speaker 1: fact that she loves this person and is going to
Speaker 1: try but what I love is the point of maturity
Speaker 1: she comes to after the big feelings, after the crying,
Speaker 1: after the heartbreak of you know what, I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to hold this against you. You just don't choose me,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do. You say you love me,
Speaker 1: but your actions say something else, and I have to
Speaker 1: go on how your actions make me feel. I have
Speaker 1: to choose me, even you know, because I couldn't really
Speaker 1: remember what all the scripted dialogue was. You know, there's
Speaker 1: this big scene between Brook and Lucas in the bedroom
Speaker 1: and eventually, when she's talking, they use that device where
Speaker 1: he kind of can't hear her because he's overwhelmed and
Speaker 1: he's thinking about what he should say. So so it
Speaker 1: goes into the voice over that Chad did in that scene.
Speaker 1: So I really watched and listened under his voice to
Speaker 1: hear what I was saying. And and it's all the
Speaker 1: examples of this happens, and you don't call me, You
Speaker 1: call Peyton, this happens, and you don't come to me,
Speaker 1: You go see Peyton, this happens, and you don't ask
Speaker 1: me to come here. When I get here, Payton's already here,
Speaker 1: like she's giving him all the reasons, and I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that we're in the era where she's finally
Speaker 1: beginning to pick herself because she's said, like, I've stopped
Speaker 1: letting boys define me, but now she's actually acting that way.
Speaker 1: And I feel like she did that a bit with
Speaker 1: Felix to do remember when she was finally like letting
Speaker 1: go of that. It was like, I I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember the conversation that we all had about that, because
Speaker 1: it felt like one of the big Brooks turning moments
Speaker 1: of like why I'm I'm doing this because I'm bored,
Speaker 1: or like I just feel like I need attention, or
Speaker 1: but I don't want that. I want to be uh
Speaker 1: strong on my own, and so I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. And then she know, she gets
Speaker 1: in with Lucas and a lot of those old feelings resurface,
Speaker 1: but it was it seemed like they were actually it
Speaker 1: was just a deeper level of the same feeling. So
Speaker 1: she had sort of eradicated this like top layer of
Speaker 1: um easy to access feelings and issues with guys like Felix,
Speaker 1: and then with Lucas that was like the really deep
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, those are the roots of the
Speaker 1: things that actually keep growing up and creating problems. And
Speaker 1: so it was like an opportunity for her to really
Speaker 1: dig down and like pop that root out. For those
Speaker 1: of you at home, you can't see I'm shoveling my
Speaker 1: minding a shop that we're we're talking about digging up
Speaker 1: bulls here. I like him talking in that scene because
Speaker 1: because Okay, Brooke has had this conversation with Lucas how
Speaker 1: many times now, like a half a dozen times at least,
Speaker 1: if not a dozen, And by Chad having that voice
Speaker 1: over in that scene to me as the viewer and
Speaker 1: informed me that every single time Brooke has given him
Speaker 1: one of these speeches, he's got his own voice in
Speaker 1: his head and he's not listening to her. He's just like,
Speaker 1: how do I get out of this? It seems like
Speaker 1: a lot. Why can't she just be cool? Like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I've messed up again? Brow Um, I think, but I
Speaker 1: think that's how boys work. I know, like that's how
Speaker 1: my kid works, that's how my husband works. It's just like,
Speaker 1: are you hearing what I'm saying? We're not going to
Speaker 1: buy any more Amazon packages, Like I'm not gonna have
Speaker 1: to deal with this again. Yes, And they say. It's
Speaker 1: like Lucas at the end, like I'm sorry. It's the
Speaker 1: only thing they can just say, I'm sorry. And you
Speaker 1: know they don't hear us. Maybe you don't hear us, okay,
Speaker 1: which is that's I think I think Lucas did. I
Speaker 1: think that's you're right. That's what was nice about that
Speaker 1: voice over, because he did hear her at the end.
Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, I hear what you're saying. What
Speaker 1: you've been saying this whole time, and I guess you're right.
Speaker 1: It finally clicked that he was like, Okay, I guess
Speaker 1: there's nothing else for me to stay here. I can't
Speaker 1: keep fighting the same battle. Yeah. Well, have you ever
Speaker 1: liked someone and then they've they've had to tell you like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know you think you like me? Um, you don't
Speaker 1: like that's a weird interaction. Yeah. Yeah. Well, And by
Speaker 1: the way, we've talked about this, like as kids being
Speaker 1: so isolated. You know, Hillary you said in one of
Speaker 1: our episodes when you were like where everybody was kissing
Speaker 1: each other whatever, Like we joke about it, but there
Speaker 1: is a real reality that when you grow up in
Speaker 1: a small town or when you spend ten years in
Speaker 1: a really small town like we all did together. You're
Speaker 1: only around this small handful of people that you're around.
Speaker 1: So it's why it's like, you know, you hear people
Speaker 1: on Facebook talking about like, oh, well, you know, so
Speaker 1: and so wound up married to that guy. But you
Speaker 1: remember in high school she dated this guy and he
Speaker 1: was with her sister, but they he's married to. Like
Speaker 1: it's a very common thing in a small place. You
Speaker 1: just have this tiny pool and so what what what
Speaker 1: strikes me now is looking at Brooke and Lucas in
Speaker 1: this breakup, because she's standing up for herself and her worth,
Speaker 1: but also saying like you just don't care about me
Speaker 1: in the way you think you do and I deserve better,
Speaker 1: and like I'm not even gonna blame you for it.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to be done. What I think is
Speaker 1: interesting about it is it it kind of like models
Speaker 1: how to have a healthy interaction when you kind of
Speaker 1: fall in love with one of your best friends and
Speaker 1: you try to date and then you go, you know what,
Speaker 1: I love you so much. We're better as friends and
Speaker 1: it's cool, like people do that and because who else
Speaker 1: are you going to try? And Dave, I know, but
Speaker 1: like truly, I you know, and obviously, look it's a
Speaker 1: teen drama. There's going to be drama that comes in
Speaker 1: the coming episodes. But it is nice when we get
Speaker 1: to model like decent human interaction and just be like,
Speaker 1: it's cool. You know, when you love somebody, sometimes you
Speaker 1: give it a try and if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: move on and be nice to each other. Like how lovely.
Speaker 1: Such a nice interaction for high schoolers when when there
Speaker 1: is usually so much drama. I mean high schoolers, people
Speaker 1: in their twenties. My god, don't we have friends going
Speaker 1: through Even Still, I can see why Lucas is attracted
Speaker 1: to Brooke, particularly because of this frankness, because we see
Speaker 1: the exact same um personality in his mother, who has
Speaker 1: to have this very awkward interaction with Dan, who handles
Speaker 1: it clearly and with grace, and she's like, I do
Speaker 1: not want to have coffee with you because I am
Speaker 1: giving up coffee in my pregnancy. And I do not
Speaker 1: want to see a movie with you because I do
Speaker 1: not want to spend time with you. And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be a bit I'm not going to kick
Speaker 1: and scream. I'm just going to say it clearly to
Speaker 1: your face. You can absorb it however you want. And
Speaker 1: to see the parallel between Brooke and Karen is great.
Speaker 1: Karen was so clear and so it was you know
Speaker 1: Dan looking It was just it was so easy to
Speaker 1: see through him looking for friendship in her. And I
Speaker 1: love that she saw straight through it. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: goes to strangle his wife five minutes later. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: knows who he is. And what I really love is
Speaker 1: that she sees through him in this moment of vulnerability
Speaker 1: where any of us would excuse her leaning on him
Speaker 1: first port not knowing what he's doing to dib you know,
Speaker 1: like you if they did that storyline, you'd get it.
Speaker 1: But she stands up and says, no, thank you, I
Speaker 1: know you. And then at the end of the episode
Speaker 1: is so vulnerable with Lucas. I don't I didn't remember
Speaker 1: hearing that when he said, how did you get over
Speaker 1: it that he didn't love you? And she said, I'll
Speaker 1: let you know when I do. MU like that took
Speaker 1: my breath away to be able to be so frank
Speaker 1: about how a heartbreak of that nature, like a betrayal
Speaker 1: that deep, is something you don't get over. It changes you.
Speaker 1: And then there's the before in the after, and and
Speaker 1: it's continually thrown in her face. That's the thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it might be easier to get over if you could
Speaker 1: really walk away and never see the person again and
Speaker 1: move on with your life and have any experiences. But
Speaker 1: it's just thrown in her face every single day. And
Speaker 1: even though she knows it's not her, it's he's a psychopath,
Speaker 1: it's still there's just something about not being acknowledged, not
Speaker 1: being told like, hey, good job, Hey I appreciate you, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm here to help all of those things. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's hard to just get over, Like, how do
Speaker 1: you just get over it? You can't. And when it's
Speaker 1: continually thrown in her face, when it's continually brought up,
Speaker 1: when it's when it's shoved at her all the time
Speaker 1: for twenty years, and no matter how she reacts to it,
Speaker 1: people tell her she's reacting wrong. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: wild thing to put on somebody. And you know what else,
Speaker 1: when you're the type of person that continually gives people
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. I because I'm one of
Speaker 1: those people, and I M hmm, it's it can be
Speaker 1: exhausting when dealing with people who I know are going
Speaker 1: to uh let me down as the wrong word because
Speaker 1: I don't know, the concept of expectations and relationships is big,
Speaker 1: but who I know. The choice they're gonna make, they
Speaker 1: always make the same choice. It's always going to be
Speaker 1: the same thing. And yet I'm still I'm still surprised
Speaker 1: when it happens, because because you can't just let it go,
Speaker 1: you still are like maybe this time. Well, the thing
Speaker 1: is you can't let something go that is continually coming
Speaker 1: for you, that is forcing you to engage with it,
Speaker 1: even when you say I don't want to engage with
Speaker 1: this anymore, and it continues to happen. What I think
Speaker 1: is frustrating. And I know we all have personal experience
Speaker 1: with this is Look, we're frank, we're blunt, We've learned lessons,
Speaker 1: we share about them. We have a podcast like that,
Speaker 1: this is what we do. Hello, that's why we're here.
Speaker 1: But then when you when you continually get engaged with
Speaker 1: on a subject that you want to move on from,
Speaker 1: and then every time you try to, well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: a joke about out it, or maybe I'll offer a
Speaker 1: nugget of wisdom, or maybe you know, I'll say, like
Speaker 1: why are you really talking about this? And no matter
Speaker 1: what they tell you, the answer is wrong. That's hard.
Speaker 1: And so what I think is really cool about this
Speaker 1: is you get to see it with Karen. So often
Speaker 1: it's her having to deal with Dan, and it's she
Speaker 1: has to react to him, she has to put him
Speaker 1: in his place, she has to rebut his advances. But
Speaker 1: that's why I think that this scene with her and
Speaker 1: Lucas is so cool. Because Dan's not there, Lucas actually
Speaker 1: gets to be the safe space for her to say,
Speaker 1: oh no, that changed me forever, and and and the
Speaker 1: unsaid thing. But that is in Moira's performance because she's
Speaker 1: such a good actress. Is I will not like, yes,
Speaker 1: it hurt me, but like I've drawn a boundary and
Speaker 1: it's so yeah, I'm not trying to fix it anymore.
Speaker 1: Go yeah, it's cool. Hard things to do. Do you
Speaker 1: wonder if there were years when Lucas was like three
Speaker 1: four years old, were thought maybe she could still fix it,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? We don't pick up
Speaker 1: in the story until the kids are what sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: and so there's there's a lot inferred in that statement
Speaker 1: because it's not like he ditched her at eighteen and
Speaker 1: she never cared again, you know, like, yeah, it requires
Speaker 1: a lot of vulnerability to live in that space of
Speaker 1: just letting a problem exist and continue to exist. You
Speaker 1: know what's wild about what you're saying. And I've never
Speaker 1: thought about this before, but we're kind of being offered
Speaker 1: a version of that, Like, look back at what it
Speaker 1: might have felt like for Karen at seventeen to have
Speaker 1: this happened to her. With how Rachel feels with Cooper,
Speaker 1: you see the seventeen year old girl. Anything I can
Speaker 1: do to keep you? Isn't there anything any thing I
Speaker 1: can't live without you? Like, oh my god. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about Daniel too in this because she
Speaker 1: had finally she's finally been given some like real meat
Speaker 1: on the bones in this show, whereas she's been expected
Speaker 1: to do a lot of standing around and being pretty
Speaker 1: and snarky and you know, having a few meaningful sincere conversations,
Speaker 1: but she's never been given the challenge of just really
Speaker 1: coming undone beautiful. It is. It is, and she's so
Speaker 1: because we've we've praised her for all of her skill
Speaker 1: in those other areas, and it's just so nice to
Speaker 1: see the full roundedness of her abilities and in the
Speaker 1: vulnerability and in this performance, I mean, her breakdown is
Speaker 1: so beautiful and that that like raw heartache. To be
Speaker 1: vulnerable like that with someone, it's such a special thing
Speaker 1: to watch. And yeah, it's it's so gorgeous, and she
Speaker 1: feels more like an actual teenager then she's ever felt
Speaker 1: like you see the reveal, you see why Cooper believed
Speaker 1: that she was twenty six, and you see it, she's
Speaker 1: just seventeen, little girl. Anything is supposed to illustrate why
Speaker 1: teenagers should not be dating grown ups. It is this
Speaker 1: like it is because you are not your brain isn't
Speaker 1: in the same place. Because for her, it is apocalyptic
Speaker 1: to be dune and he is so you know, you
Speaker 1: get older and you realize that all the things you
Speaker 1: thought we're gonna kill you aren't gonna kill you anymore.
Speaker 1: And so for him, he's like a breakup. Okay, like
Speaker 1: we're good, um, And yeah, this is don't date grown ups. Kids,
Speaker 1: don't do that because it's so messy and you will
Speaker 1: be sad, you will, it's gonna go sideways. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: I love is as messy as that is, and as
Speaker 1: as beautifully as she played that with him. I love
Speaker 1: that the the parallels of these breakups that they're going
Speaker 1: through or what finally let the Brachel of it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where I was going Nextel I love it storming
Speaker 1: into the room and talking about how horrible the hospital
Speaker 1: gowns there. We're gonna fix everything, and here's your keys,
Speaker 1: and I got you some clothes, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I missed this. These two are so fun together. You know.
Speaker 1: Rachel asked a question to Brook in that room that
Speaker 1: I thought was really interesting. Do you think people can
Speaker 1: really change? And I don't know. I thought we should
Speaker 1: talk about that because I do. But I guess we
Speaker 1: have to define change. I mean, I think some people
Speaker 1: can just the same way to change, mean though, like
Speaker 1: just changing your behavior is it? Like? But I mean,
Speaker 1: you're always gonna if you're good at math, you're always
Speaker 1: going to be good at math. It's not like, like,
Speaker 1: what are the things the fundamental things that people are
Speaker 1: referring to when they say change. Well, you know who
Speaker 1: I think really answers that question beautifully as mouth because
Speaker 1: here's what we know. Look, we were alive at a
Speaker 1: time where we've got you know, this this generation of
Speaker 1: all this incredible research and mental health data, and we
Speaker 1: understand trauma and even how it can be passed down
Speaker 1: in our d n A. You know, like we now
Speaker 1: have proof of a lot of the things people have
Speaker 1: felt and mouth says it. He says, you can only change,
Speaker 1: but by facing what you've done. You really have to
Speaker 1: look at the things you carry shame about or the
Speaker 1: people that you've hurt, and you have to be willing
Speaker 1: to go back into those actions, back into the behaviors
Speaker 1: that you want to change in yourself and own. But
Speaker 1: by the way, not only how you might have heard
Speaker 1: other people or let yourself down, you also have to
Speaker 1: forgive yourself. Like it's a it's a total kind of
Speaker 1: excavation that's required. And when you go back and you
Speaker 1: unravel the hauntings, when you go back and you see
Speaker 1: why you were trying to be validated in the way
Speaker 1: you were because you had a pain point. When you
Speaker 1: go back and you really untangled or not, you can
Speaker 1: move forward and have different reactions, not be triggered, not
Speaker 1: use the same crutches. You know. It's it's like it's
Speaker 1: like for people who get sober, it requires a lot
Speaker 1: of untangling and then you can live differently and I
Speaker 1: I love that Mouth is like our little oracle in
Speaker 1: this episode, because Brooke has told Lucas what she needs different,
Speaker 1: what she needs to be different in their relationship, and
Speaker 1: he hasn't changed. So she's speaking from her own pain
Speaker 1: point of like, yeah, I kind of thought you could,
Speaker 1: but I don't think so, And she doesn't quite know
Speaker 1: what Rachel is asking. She doesn't know Rachel's asking can
Speaker 1: I change? Can I be better? And Mouth it seems
Speaker 1: to me, really sees through it and says like, look,
Speaker 1: you either do the work and then you can do
Speaker 1: whatever you want, or you don't and you'll repeat your
Speaker 1: mistakes forever. Yeah. Yeah, because he was saying you can change,
Speaker 1: it's just that most people don't. Most people aren't willing
Speaker 1: to do the work. They run from the work. And
Speaker 1: he says, don't don't run. Its rippling. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is crippling that work. It's so scary, it's terrifying. It's
Speaker 1: no joke. But if you're going to like actually make
Speaker 1: a dent in character flaws that are rooted from childhood,
Speaker 1: by scary, but you really you have to be willing
Speaker 1: to look at the ways you haven't measured up to
Speaker 1: your goals. Or standards. You have to be willing, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: Like we talked about this as women and what we
Speaker 1: went through, like when when women have to go, how
Speaker 1: how did I in my own actions? You know, how
Speaker 1: have we collectively? How have we upheld patriarchy? Like how
Speaker 1: have we as women upheld the systems that hurt us
Speaker 1: as women? And how do we excuse them? Like that's
Speaker 1: not easy. It's why so many people continue to say no, no, no,
Speaker 1: This thing that I do is the solution. This you know,
Speaker 1: this institution that I'm a part of is the fixer.
Speaker 1: It's like, so in a way, we have to do this.
Speaker 1: We have to do that work you're talking about on
Speaker 1: a personal level, and we have to be willing to
Speaker 1: understand the way that our personal behavior and the behavior
Speaker 1: of our communities has to do it on a systemic level.
Speaker 1: And like that is a challenge when people are tired
Speaker 1: and just trying to figure out, like how to pay
Speaker 1: the rent and put food on the table, Like it's
Speaker 1: a lot the change comes from from has to come
Speaker 1: from a sincere desire and it's not just because somebody
Speaker 1: tells you to do it. And I think you nailed
Speaker 1: it with having to forgive yourself too, and you know,
Speaker 1: being able to look back and that's a that's a
Speaker 1: big bite to take. Yeah, this is why I still
Speaker 1: am on team Senator Marvin McFadden. You know, you know
Speaker 1: he's always known things. I like that we saw more
Speaker 1: of the boys in this episode. You can see that
Speaker 1: they're going to populate our world more with the River
Speaker 1: Cork guys. His mouth is here, Skills is now asking
Speaker 1: to be on the basketball team. We've got junk with
Speaker 1: the shaved head. What what the hell was another job?
Speaker 1: What job did Colin have over the summer two thousand six?
Speaker 1: Colin Moss? Someone tells us what he was up to.
Speaker 1: I like that they're doing that. You know, so many
Speaker 1: of our problems have been so adult and when we're
Speaker 1: all together as kids, like we know that we only
Speaker 1: have what two seasons of it left of like being kids.
Speaker 1: Was Skills not at the wedding? Was he not there?
Speaker 1: Because he comes in and talk to Lucas and it's
Speaker 1: all like heard through Bevan, heard through Bevan. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: why wasn't he at the wedding? I don't know. Antoine
Speaker 1: might have been working on something too. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: scheduling stuff you know, Yeah, I wonder if he had
Speaker 1: a job at the end of season three. Also, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited that we're going to get skills more in
Speaker 1: our school world and see him on the two Finally,
Speaker 1: Like my theory of things, Junk is in community college,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I don't think goes
Speaker 1: to school with us. I think he graduated like three
Speaker 1: years ago and was the kid that bought everybody beer
Speaker 1: as a maybe what I'm saying, well, especially if the
Speaker 1: boys all grew up playing together, it's like, it's not
Speaker 1: real life that kids in a neighborhood are all in
Speaker 1: the same grade. Literally never hung out with kids in
Speaker 1: my grade. So you know, yeah, that's my that's my theory.
Speaker 1: I'm sticking to it. Yeah, And I like that, you know,
Speaker 1: if that's sort of the lens we're looking at this through.
Speaker 1: I also like that Else talks about how he wants
Speaker 1: to get on the team because he wants a scholarship,
Speaker 1: like he wants he wants to be able to go
Speaker 1: to college. You know. I like the reminder that not
Speaker 1: all of these kids are affluent. Well, and that's so
Speaker 1: that was a big conversation this episode. Haley got into Stanford,
Speaker 1: like Lucas has gotten into what U n C, but
Speaker 1: he wants to go to school close by so he
Speaker 1: can help his mom with her baby. Like, these are
Speaker 1: all the conversations that kids legitimately have that are scary.
Speaker 1: It's even scarier when you don't have a grown up
Speaker 1: that is really guiding you and you're just kind of
Speaker 1: having to bring it for yourself. Yeah, what is what
Speaker 1: is is Peyton going to college? Do we have? Was
Speaker 1: there a moment where we try to figure that out?
Speaker 1: I was always so confused about that because it was
Speaker 1: a little miss like like when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I was in every single club ever because I was like,
Speaker 1: I am getting the out of Virginia. I am going
Speaker 1: to New York City. I'm gonna apply to every school
Speaker 1: in the city and just go to the one that
Speaker 1: gives me the most money. And that's what I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the idea that Peyton is just like I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I might end up in l A,
Speaker 1: I might stay here. I don't have a job, Like
Speaker 1: has Peyton never had a job? I don't know? Like
Speaker 1: you know, that actually is a great point, Hillary that
Speaker 1: it's never occurred to me. But it does seem really
Speaker 1: out of character for Peyton not to be incredibly driven
Speaker 1: and have a like she's like floating around. Well she
Speaker 1: she looks she opened up a club, she did, like,
Speaker 1: she does have this vision with music. So that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. That's a really big deal. Actually,
Speaker 1: so I guess that's her job. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think maybe the I wonder if there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of that that naturally comes out of a writer's room,
Speaker 1: because everybody who works in our industry got degrees doing
Speaker 1: things that have nothing to do with the jobs they get. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, And so I wonder if if
Speaker 1: maybe it's less top of mind. But then they're talking
Speaker 1: so much about it for the other kids. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a really it is really weird. Peyton should have
Speaker 1: joined Peace Corps, you know what I mean, Like my
Speaker 1: best friend joined Peace Corps and went to Morocco for
Speaker 1: a while. That would track like far off land trying
Speaker 1: to help people that would have landed. Um, And like
Speaker 1: no one did anyone join the military? Did anyone? I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to think of with the kids that I
Speaker 1: grew up with actually did And I don't know your
Speaker 1: brother was right, Derek, not Derek, the real Derek, not Psycho. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a marine, that's right. Yeah, it's a weird
Speaker 1: it's a weird deal that Peyton was like absolutely directionless,
Speaker 1: given she's raised herself essentially that her father is so
Speaker 1: work work, work, yes, but also so involved, like when
Speaker 1: he gives you advice, he's he seems that education seems
Speaker 1: like one of the one of the core dad things
Speaker 1: to communicate. Yeah, that feels like Larry energy. It's weird.
Speaker 1: I could see like Peyton going to vocational school, right,
Speaker 1: Like if Peyton had gone to learn how to run
Speaker 1: a soundboard or like, like you know, we had VOTECH
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, and it was all how
Speaker 1: to run a camera and there was the beautician school
Speaker 1: and there was like electrician school. Payton could have gone
Speaker 1: to votech that would have been cool. What would she
Speaker 1: have done? What would you want to paint to do?
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, there were the kids that
Speaker 1: would leave school halfway through the day to go to
Speaker 1: votech and they learned how to run camera equipment and
Speaker 1: soundboards and like like do film for the local cable
Speaker 1: access station. And I thought that was the coolest ever
Speaker 1: like cable Access TV, you know, run in this webcam.
Speaker 1: She should absolutely be going and getting a you know,
Speaker 1: a vocational degree somewhere. It is weird, but I like
Speaker 1: hearing the different levels of college interests from our our kids,
Speaker 1: like Hailey shooting for the Moon with Stanford and she
Speaker 1: did it. It's awesome. Lucas is going on the merit
Speaker 1: of his academics and then skills is just like, no, listen,
Speaker 1: I will go to any school there is, but I
Speaker 1: just I want to get out. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to try my hand at this um. That felt accurate.
Speaker 1: Does Brooke talk about college? What did Brooke do? I
Speaker 1: don't think she does. I mean she's so focused on
Speaker 1: design that UM I think you like F I T
Speaker 1: or something. I don't remember because we senior year the
Speaker 1: thing we skip college, so I don't remember. If she
Speaker 1: says she's going somewhere, I feel like she just goes
Speaker 1: to New York and does her her line. That's all
Speaker 1: anybody was talking about senior year, besides who was sleeping
Speaker 1: with each other was where are you going to college?
Speaker 1: What you know? What school are you trying to get into?
Speaker 1: That's really funny that we never it just is barely
Speaker 1: on our all of our radar except for the Guidance
Speaker 1: Counselor episode. We did have one in entire episode dedicated
Speaker 1: to seriousness Councilor. Peyton did talk about college once she
Speaker 1: was looking at the school in Savannah, so had she
Speaker 1: stayed with really makes sense with Jake, I mean, now
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? Which boy am I going
Speaker 1: to follow? Now? Um? Nathan? Let's talk about Nathan for
Speaker 1: a second, because he's clearly dealing with some serious PTSD
Speaker 1: and I think we're all a little unclear like what
Speaker 1: this bad dream means. But it has been literally bubbling
Speaker 1: up for two episodes, pun bubbling s What I did there? Um?
Speaker 1: What the is going on? I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like I missed something. It's very tricky because obviously, like
Speaker 1: nearly drowning and nearly losing family members in an accident
Speaker 1: like that would of course be traumatic. What I think
Speaker 1: smells a little fishy to me is that he's having
Speaker 1: these flashbacks that are like mysterious and unexplained. But it
Speaker 1: seems like the device is everyone's telling him is he's
Speaker 1: a hero, and he doesn't think he is. He is
Speaker 1: beginning to communicate that he was drowning and scared, and
Speaker 1: then you see Cooper open his eyes, and it's like,
Speaker 1: did Cooper actually rescue everyone? And even if that's true,
Speaker 1: why would we shame a teenage boy about that? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just confused. I don't know. I just think, like,
Speaker 1: what are what are they getting at? Like what are
Speaker 1: they going to reveal? And and and why why does
Speaker 1: he seem to recoil at You're a hero and then
Speaker 1: flashback to being trapped, Like I'm just like, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? Like this was scary and horrible. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just flashbacks. He had had visions of this before the
Speaker 1: wedding even happened. Wait he did. Yeah, that's right, that's
Speaker 1: right that the dream was having. So this is it's
Speaker 1: been going on for a while, guys, and he's just
Speaker 1: he's realizing he's psychic. He's got water trauma, and I
Speaker 1: don't understand the water trauma. Um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's reasonable to say that Nathan's got PTSD and that
Speaker 1: teenage boys who experienced trauma are not treated you know,
Speaker 1: they're rewarded for being real tough about it, but they're
Speaker 1: not treated as like vulnerable little animals. Um, but I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the water device, and they keep
Speaker 1: coming back to it over and over and it's like
Speaker 1: the only thing they're giving James to do. So maybe
Speaker 1: that's why it feels weird to me. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what is going on here? What you're going to find out?
Speaker 1: I bet they'll tell us San, I mean maybe, or
Speaker 1: it could disappear into the miss it we don't get,
Speaker 1: you know, don't get your hope. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: last question, Uh, Peyton finds out she has a long
Speaker 1: lost sibling. M if you were to find out that
Speaker 1: you had a long lost sibling, who would you hope
Speaker 1: it would be? Uh? Oh gosh, oh man, No, like
Speaker 1: you mean it has to your you need like a
Speaker 1: you want like a celebrity name, or like a like
Speaker 1: a sports figure, like some kind of about someone we
Speaker 1: don't know. But then I'm just gonna have like way
Speaker 1: more questions. You're gonna be like, it's this chick Sally.
Speaker 1: You guys don't know it. But I really wanted to
Speaker 1: be my sister. Sorry my barista, let me tell you.
Speaker 1: I love it. Who would be cool to haven't I
Speaker 1: kind of wanted an older brother I guess I feel
Speaker 1: like I always wanted an older brother. I feel like
Speaker 1: that would have solved a lot of my problems with
Speaker 1: men if I had an older brother. I feel that
Speaker 1: strongly as well, Like, yeah, I see Guss with George
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that looks cool, like that that seems
Speaker 1: like a nice relationship. Yeah, it's funny. I um. The
Speaker 1: person who immediately popped in my head made me laugh
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, man, Like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: November one, We're eight days from the midterm elections concluding.
Speaker 1: I'm obviously very stressed about it. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is hilarious. Like the first person who popped in
Speaker 1: my mind was Adam Kinsinger, and I'm like, what I
Speaker 1: would give to have like a dope older brother who's
Speaker 1: like leading the charge for democracy and like fighting back,
Speaker 1: but who technically comes from the other side of the aisle,
Speaker 1: Like wouldn't that be so healing? And he would have
Speaker 1: someone you would have a buddy, you guys would just
Speaker 1: be on the courtyard. No. I just admire him so much,
Speaker 1: and like as a dad and as a veteran and
Speaker 1: as as you know, somebody who's done what he's done
Speaker 1: on the committee, um, you know, for for January six,
Speaker 1: Like he just shows up and he's like, what are
Speaker 1: we doing about America? And I'm like that's exactly how
Speaker 1: I feel, so yeah, and it's like that would just
Speaker 1: be so cool. And then as soon as I like
Speaker 1: I saw his face and you asked the question, I
Speaker 1: started laughing at myself. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I need to rest. I think I had a first
Speaker 1: reaction too, but I didn't say it. I kind of
Speaker 1: have a huge girl crush on Cape Middleton and I
Speaker 1: would love you know, she's a huge, one true fan.
Speaker 1: That's what we were told. I don't need someone to
Speaker 1: validate that. You don't remember just like I love her
Speaker 1: so much, I will I just like I look at
Speaker 1: her fashion, Like I scroll on Instagram and I'm like,
Speaker 1: look how great. She's such a great dresser, she's such
Speaker 1: a good speaker. It's like it's like the girl and me,
Speaker 1: the Jersey kid that always felt scrappy and like, I'll
Speaker 1: meet you in and Ali and Terry Len from one
Speaker 1: and I could like, you know, I can like clean
Speaker 1: up and get in the dirt. And then I look
Speaker 1: at a woman like that and I'm like wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be so nice to be elegant? God, that's so lovely.
Speaker 1: What if she is a nightmare in her own little castle, Like,
Speaker 1: what if that is all just spoken mirrors and she
Speaker 1: is sweatpants city Joy. That's the version I want to
Speaker 1: I bet she is. We can send a j suit.
Speaker 1: I bet she would listen. All I was saying is
Speaker 1: I can't remember who told us back in the day,
Speaker 1: but like we did get the word when we were
Speaker 1: doing the show that she was a big fan. So
Speaker 1: Joy had to reach for you. Hey, call me up, Kate, Hillary,
Speaker 1: who's your who's your person? Um? When I was young,
Speaker 1: I really wanted RuPaul to like be my older brother.
Speaker 1: I was really like, I just I just thought about,
Speaker 1: like all the holidays you have to do with your
Speaker 1: family and all of the I felt like moving and
Speaker 1: like hard things, like there's a hard you have to
Speaker 1: do with your family, And I just thought, what would
Speaker 1: make all of these experiences better? And it Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't grow up with but what I can say is that,
Speaker 1: you know, growing up in l A where I did,
Speaker 1: and like all the all the creative folks I got
Speaker 1: to work with at my dad's studio, I have not
Speaker 1: like an actual uncle, but you know a dear family
Speaker 1: friend of my parents who has been my uncle Jeff
Speaker 1: for my whole life. It's just like fabulous makeup artist
Speaker 1: was like always doing shoots with my dad and so
Speaker 1: you know, I'd go, oh man, all of them, and
Speaker 1: I would like go visited the studio after school and
Speaker 1: like go say hi to everybody. And I was always
Speaker 1: so excited to see Uncle Jeff and he'd be like,
Speaker 1: don't tell your parents would put some eyeline around you
Speaker 1: and I was like yes, yes. And Jeff's partner Winston,
Speaker 1: I mean, god, they've been together for like forty years now.
Speaker 1: Winston did drag every weekend as Diana Ross just this
Speaker 1: like stunningly beautiful black man who would do the full
Speaker 1: I mean the wigs and the glitter, like the outfits.
Speaker 1: And it made everything more fun, right, my god, fun,
Speaker 1: So like I didn't grow up with RuPaul, but I
Speaker 1: did grow up with a drag queen. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you what, everything was so much more fun great,
Speaker 1: like so much more fun. Thank you for validating that
Speaker 1: inner gut feeling that I've had. You know, I would
Speaker 1: make this better drag. It makes everything that way. You guys,
Speaker 1: I had to go. I had to go to a
Speaker 1: memorial the other day and I passed a drag bar.
Speaker 1: Why are there not drag queens running moving companies except
Speaker 1: baby Drag? Hello, seriously the funnest moves of your life,
Speaker 1: or or just like like rent a date so I
Speaker 1: can take you to functions with me. I had to
Speaker 1: go to a memorial the other day and I was
Speaker 1: really really really upset about it. And Jeff and I
Speaker 1: got out of the car a few blocks away and
Speaker 1: we're walking to the venue and we passed this drag
Speaker 1: bar and it was just joy out on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: It was everyone was singing together, everyone was dancing. There
Speaker 1: were so many feather boas. It was glamoraly ever and
Speaker 1: it puts such a huge smile on my face and
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is the energy I want everywhere.
Speaker 1: More drag please, more drag please? Can we get Rupaula
Speaker 1: on the show? Can we speak that into existence? I
Speaker 1: think he let's talk about is an honorary drama please? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I just got sweaty at that signest. Okay, guys, for
Speaker 1: our listeners at home, any of you who work on
Speaker 1: Drag Race and or have friends who work on drag Race.
Speaker 1: Please d mu hi. It's Bethany Frankel. My time on
Speaker 1: The Wheelhousewives of New York is a few years behind me,
Speaker 1: and now I'm ready to put the wheel back into
Speaker 1: the reel Housewives. That's where my new podcast Rewives comes in.
Speaker 1: Isn't your typical rewatch podcast. I'm watching only the most
Speaker 1: iconic episodes from all cities. I'm sharing never before heard
Speaker 1: stories of what happened behind the scenes, and I'm not
Speaker 1: just pulling in cast members for postgame analysis. I'm doing
Speaker 1: something a little bit more interesting. If you've ever seen
Speaker 1: an episode of The wheelhouse Wives, you know the drill.
Speaker 1: But beyond throwing drinks and legs, there are lessons about marriage, divorce, friendship, money, parenting,
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Speaker 1: celebrities to get their take on the chaos this season.
Speaker 1: I sit down with Elizabeth Moss, Kevin Neal and Susie Orman,
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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
Speaker 1: get your favorite podcasts. We have a fan question. Okay,
Speaker 1: hey Lenia, She says, do you feel like Lucas and
Speaker 1: Peyton's kiss after she was shot betrayed? Bro Um, No,
Speaker 1: she thought she was gonna die. I don't even think
Speaker 1: she thought she was going to die. I think it's
Speaker 1: just it's, uh, it's trauma bonding, right, It's like, I'm scared.
Speaker 1: I'm so, so so scared right now. I would kiss
Speaker 1: anybody literally if I thought, you know, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I probably would. Yeah. Yeah. I mean Sophie is like, no,
Speaker 1: that's because you know what I was gonna say. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say. I think there's levels of how we
Speaker 1: judge and like, yeah, look, I think Bass, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: kiss your best friend's boyfriend. I think that's true. I
Speaker 1: also think about the circumstance. I also think about the
Speaker 1: need for drama on a TV show, because if all
Speaker 1: the characters are happy all the time and never have conflict,
Speaker 1: you're going to do three episodes and get canceled. So
Speaker 1: it's like there's a bunch of that and I and
Speaker 1: I think I think this kind of relates to what
Speaker 1: we were saying before about how you really have to
Speaker 1: look in and do the work. And you know, I
Speaker 1: would hope for our patent that she could go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that wasn't my best moment. And also, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give myself a ton of grace. I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to die, Like I can apologize and also not
Speaker 1: move through my life carrying that guilt, and both of
Speaker 1: those things can be true. And my fear is that we,
Speaker 1: you know, so much of our life happens in two
Speaker 1: D now, like everything's on a screen. Everything's a flat
Speaker 1: picture everything. We want everything to be black and white,
Speaker 1: and nothing is. And so it's like, I think we
Speaker 1: need to ask questions like this, but I think we
Speaker 1: need to give ourselves permission and to not be so
Speaker 1: reductive to just have like a yes or no answer.
Speaker 1: I think we have to realize that if we want
Speaker 1: to grow, a whole bunch of things can be true.
Speaker 1: At the same time, she can be sorry and not
Speaker 1: deserve to be punished and be forgiven. And that's that's
Speaker 1: a different conversation that feels like he's also, my characters
Speaker 1: on our show are so bad A further explanations like yes,
Speaker 1: you hear the word kiss and it's like, you guys
Speaker 1: made out for seven hours. You hooked. Literally it was
Speaker 1: like the shortest, driest peck kiss on the through tears,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't sexy, it was. She was in Brooks mind.
Speaker 1: She said, you guys kissed, your tongue is touched. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Um Our characters are not good at follow up questions,
Speaker 1: because it's all it was the same thing when like
Speaker 1: Haley and um Chris Keller kissed, Like in Nathan's mind,
Speaker 1: he's like, you guys kissed, and then we see it
Speaker 1: and we're like, y, open your mouth the name of
Speaker 1: this episode. Open your mouth, open your mouth. Disgusting you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you we're getting into We're getting into after
Speaker 1: hours talks. We should spend a wheel. We gotta out here.
Speaker 1: There's not there's not even out all involved in this one. Today.
Speaker 1: It's morning. It's morning. It's morning, Okay. Who is most
Speaker 1: likely to completely lose it on a roller coaster? Does
Speaker 1: that mean lose it with glee or terror or barf?
Speaker 1: Like it's terror and barfing? Uh yeah, so who Who's
Speaker 1: Who's the chicken? Of the bunch. I feel like Skills
Speaker 1: has some surprising fears. I feel like I can see
Speaker 1: him getting really nauseous, but he reves just to get
Speaker 1: like Bevan's attention, Like he's like, act scared so she'll
Speaker 1: protect me. Um, it's Dan the loss of control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I mean, like when I think about sensations, I
Speaker 1: don't like an amusement parks that Hollywood Tower of Terror.
Speaker 1: I don't like the feeling of falling and yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I can see Dan like a person like Dan
Speaker 1: being like I don't want to be in this chair.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in this chair. Give me
Speaker 1: out of this chair. That makes sense. Yeah, but wait,
Speaker 1: does that mean it's me in real life? No, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm cool. I don't freak out. I'm fine. I swearing.
Speaker 1: Don't look at me. Who was the last roller coaster
Speaker 1: you went on? I don't really go So I did
Speaker 1: the Cyclone of Coney Island when I was nineteen, and
Speaker 1: that thinks like eight thousand years old, and really it's
Speaker 1: like super rickety and I was in the last part
Speaker 1: of it that constantly feels like it's going to go
Speaker 1: off the tracks, and it could be different in the
Speaker 1: twenty years since I've done that, But um, I I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced that roller coasters are well cared for and
Speaker 1: I that's not how I want to go. Guys. I
Speaker 1: had a phase where I just like really loved them,
Speaker 1: and I think being a kid in southern California, it
Speaker 1: was like so easy to go to Universal or six Flags,
Speaker 1: like everything's close, and I don't know, remember years ago
Speaker 1: there was like some amusement park I think on the
Speaker 1: East Coast and that lady got decapitated. You know what,
Speaker 1: I think I'm good. I don't think I'm done. Literally,
Speaker 1: my business partner Liz produced the documentary class Action Parts,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, or when they get stuck upside down?
Speaker 1: Something clicked for me where I'm like, when you do
Speaker 1: something that is considered to be more dangerous than just
Speaker 1: like walking through the world on a daily basis, and
Speaker 1: you've done it so many times, like you've got maybe
Speaker 1: even like a little addicted to the adrenaline and you
Speaker 1: were fine so many times, like maybe you're good. You
Speaker 1: were jumping out of airplanes and Sophia I was real
Speaker 1: frustrated with that. I was like, why is she tempting fate?
Speaker 1: I like if I was stressed, I'd be like, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna drive an
Speaker 1: hour and jump out of an airplane because something happens
Speaker 1: when you do that, and everything like clicks back into place.
Speaker 1: And then I was like I could go for like
Speaker 1: a hike or meditate, like in the safety of my
Speaker 1: own home. I just I did it so many times
Speaker 1: that I was like, I'm not going to push my
Speaker 1: luck anymore. I'm good. Yeah, yeah, there's something about tempting fate.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had a I had a boyfriend
Speaker 1: get really upset with me once because he had planned
Speaker 1: a sunrise hot air balloon ride past Mexico in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: It was going to be gorgeous, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't, Like I'm a single mom. I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: the only one, Like I can't. I can't, like I
Speaker 1: can't die. You don't understand that I actually can't die
Speaker 1: right now. I grew up in the house that was
Speaker 1: like everything's going to kill you. If everything's gonna kill you,
Speaker 1: including roller coasters, including hot air balloons and jumping out
Speaker 1: of an airplane, don't be ridiculous. Read a book so
Speaker 1: don't ridiculous read a book is what I want in
Speaker 1: the book fair at my eventual children's school to be
Speaker 1: called to it. All right, Well, now we'll triggered some stuff.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot that's going on next week, next week, guys.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know what to expect with this title,
Speaker 1: Season four, Episode two Things I Forgot at Birth. We
Speaker 1: really do have a scheme of having to go back
Speaker 1: and examine our So I guess we're in for a
Speaker 1: ride and we'll see you guys. Uh, we'll see you there,
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