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Speaker 1: I am deeply wow. I'm Debbie Brown and this is

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Speaker 1: the Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft

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Speaker 1: place to land on your journey. A podcast for those

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Speaker 1: we heal, this is where lee become. I'm Devi Brown.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us again. As you can tell,

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Speaker 1: Today's episode, we are going to be going into the

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. And I'm just

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Speaker 3: whereas with trauma informed joker, we're really working to that.

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Speaker 1: Well, talk me through trauma informed yoga. What is it?

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Speaker 3: So? Trauma informed yoga is an evidence based healing modality.

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Speaker 1: But without telling you, But you might get really scared

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Speaker 1: I make this space, this studio so me?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And it's how do I make it feel so soft,

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Speaker 1: so warm, so that the work I have to give

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Speaker 1: is able to be received at the highest level, the

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Speaker 1: deepest level, and with the most intention. That is why

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Speaker 1: if you are someone that works in the healing space,

441
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Speaker 1: you do the work, that is why you give the work,

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Speaker 1: And that's always my intention when I do this show.

443
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Speaker 1: Remember it's okay to slow down as you are beginning

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Speaker 1: to take up space in that world or in your purpose,

445
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Speaker 1: and it's that slow process you learn the layering of

446
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Speaker 1: attention intention over time. You know, you learn by working

447
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: with people and serving what the needs are, and then

448
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Speaker 1: how to continually be in practice and process with refining

449
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Speaker 1: the way you show up in that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love that so much. And Debbie, as you

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Speaker 3: were saying that it, you know, one of the first

452
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Speaker 3: things that even before I go into any of the

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Speaker 3: trauma education or the frameworks and the trainings, I remind

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Speaker 3: yoga teachers, healing professionals that come to the trainings that

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Speaker 3: tending to your own nervous system with so much care

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Speaker 3: and love and intention is one of the most powerful

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Speaker 3: tools you can model and mirror for all those that

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Speaker 3: you hold space for. And I think we forget that,

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Speaker 3: you know, because we'll get really excited about doing all

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Speaker 3: the things and starting this new program and leading this class,

461
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Speaker 3: and then that frenetic energy is felt in the spaces

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Speaker 3: that we're holding. So I loved what you were saying

463
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Speaker 3: about slowing it down and thinking about the layers and

464
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Speaker 3: the energy of it all because it is a lifelong

465
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Speaker 3: journey and we don't have to sprint through it. We

466
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Speaker 3: can take our time and gently process and integrate.

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Speaker 1: Anently process and integrate. You've trained numerous yoga instructors and

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Speaker 1: mental health professionals across these various universities. What are some

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Speaker 1: key principles that you emphasize in your trauma informed curriculum

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Speaker 1: and what is trauma informed versus being a non trauma

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Speaker 1: informed facilitator?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, this is so so powerful. So, you know, I

473
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Speaker 3: always like to, especially when I talk about trauma informed

474
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Speaker 3: care generally, this work really comes from the black and

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Speaker 3: brown feminists who are on the front lines doing direct

476
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Speaker 3: service work with survivors, working in the early anti sexual

477
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Speaker 3: violence and domestic violence movements, really working to center survivors

478
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Speaker 3: in their unique and culturally affirming needs, and we oftentimes

479
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Speaker 3: forget that in this field of you know, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of white male researchers who have dominated the trauma field.

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Speaker 3: And it's why I felt so passionate about writing this

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Speaker 3: book from a survivor perspective, because you know, sometimes we'll

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Speaker 3: read we'll read books on trauma and then we end

484
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Speaker 3: up feeling re traumatized when we're you know, we forget

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Speaker 3: that those who are coming to seek out these resources

486
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Speaker 3: are oftentimes also survivors themselves and want to be held

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Speaker 3: and supported compassionately as they're reading. And that's the way

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Speaker 3: that I wrote my book, because I, you know, just

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Speaker 3: anchoring in those gentle pauses. If this was activating or

490
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Speaker 3: triggering for you, let's let's pause here and come back

491
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Speaker 3: to it, or maybe flip to the practices at the

492
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Speaker 3: end of the book at any time time. And So

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Speaker 3: what I would say with the curriculum piece is something

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Speaker 3: that is still astound as me to this day, is

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Speaker 3: that I actually wrote the eight week Trauma Informed Joker

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Speaker 3: curriculum that I facilitate in these different universities one night

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Speaker 3: at three am in my pajamas, I like, you know

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Speaker 3: when you have those moments and you're just like, I

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Speaker 3: got it. I need pen to paper, It needs to

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Speaker 3: come out in my body and there's something here and

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Speaker 3: I just I'm scribbling out these themes and I'm making

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Speaker 3: these connections between the body and you know, thinking about

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Speaker 3: certain shapes that I find supportive as a survivor and

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Speaker 3: what I would want to share with other survivors. This

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Speaker 3: curriculum went on to be implemented at you know, at

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Speaker 3: Yale and Stanford and Johns Hopkins I still remember that

507
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Speaker 3: early moment of I wrote it. It was birth from

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Speaker 3: this deep lived experience of being a survivor and navigating,

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Speaker 3: you know, the nuances of my unique journey and wanting

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Speaker 3: to share and be of service and helping others feel seen.

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Speaker 3: And now it's it's so much bigger than me. I

512
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Speaker 3: never could have imagined that it would be what it

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Speaker 3: is today. And I think it goes back to sort

514
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Speaker 3: of what we were talking about earlier with I think,

515
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Speaker 3: when you're so grounded and anchored in your power and

516
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: your truth and no matter what anyone tells you, no

517
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Speaker 3: matter the setbacks or the people who say it's too

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Speaker 3: ambitious or you know, good, try whatever, all the things

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Speaker 3: that I heard of people who thought my dreams were

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Speaker 3: too big, and I said, no, I have a clear

521
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Speaker 3: vision and a clear path, and I want, I want

522
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Speaker 3: to just keep seeking this out. And I just I

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Speaker 3: feel so touched to just be with you today and

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Speaker 3: be sharing this journey because I really forget to pause

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Speaker 3: and just have that moment to be like, wow, this

526
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Speaker 3: is amazing. You know that this is amazing that all

527
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Speaker 3: these universities are finally understanding that they cannot leave the

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Speaker 3: body out of the equation when we're talking about healing,

529
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Speaker 3: and we can't continue to send survivors through these various

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Speaker 3: systems without giving them the tools to balance their own system.

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Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, absolutely, so much to say, so much

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Speaker 3: to say.

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Speaker 1: Deeply, Well, I have a question as it relates to children.

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Speaker 1: So oftentimes when we find ourselves now having these conversations,

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Speaker 1: it's talking about tools very often for people who have

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Speaker 1: experienced trauma in childhood. So it's the adult healing of

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Speaker 1: and trauma that may have happened in childhood, or an

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Speaker 1: abuse that may have happened. Since we are now aware

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Speaker 1: of the fact that so much childhood abuse and neglect

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Speaker 1: and trauma occurs, I think it's really important that we

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Speaker 1: start really looking to see children now, whether they are

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Speaker 1: our children or children in the community. We need to

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Speaker 1: observe kids, We need to pay attention. And now that

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Speaker 1: we are collectively doing so much inner child healing in adulthood,

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Speaker 1: we have it, we know it, So how can we

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Speaker 1: help children now who are in those experiences? So really,

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Speaker 1: my question Zaby is you know, is this trauma informed

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Speaker 1: yoga for sexual abuse survivors available for children now? And

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Speaker 1: do you think it's something that could benefit a child.

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Speaker 1: If someone has had the tragic experience of maybe something

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Speaker 1: happening to their child that may be listening right now,

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Speaker 1: what are some ways to begin to support that child

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Speaker 1: while they're still in childhood.

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Speaker 3: If the child has had an experience in trauma. Yes, well,

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00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: you know, I think about this a lot, and I

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Speaker 3: to answer your first question, yes, that this modality is

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Speaker 3: becoming more and more accessible to kiddos because folks are

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Speaker 3: realizing that we do have to start earlier with the

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Speaker 3: resources that we're providing. And also you think about it too,

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Speaker 3: in similarly the way that trauma shows up for kids

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Speaker 3: with the stomach aches, with you know, not being able

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Speaker 3: to sleep. Then you know, there's so much that we

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Speaker 3: experience as adult that our little ones are experiencing too,

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Speaker 3: And so often we paint this as like they're acting

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Speaker 3: out in unloving ways, or they're being difficult or throwing

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Speaker 3: a tantrum, when you know, really being mindful of that

567
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: really is trauma. A trauma informed approach is not just

568
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Speaker 3: looking at the behavior, but looking at the root and

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Speaker 3: really trying to understand what else is going on here.

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Speaker 3: And I remember, you know, in those community classes that

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Speaker 3: I used to teach there was a survivor of childhood

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Speaker 3: sexual abuse. She was eleven years old, and she would

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Speaker 3: never do any of the shapes. She would sort of

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Speaker 3: lay in fetal position and I would bring a t

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Speaker 3: shoe box over to her and just sort of check

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Speaker 3: in with her throughout the class, and she said it

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Speaker 3: was the only place in her life that she felt safe.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I think about her all the time, and I just

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Speaker 3: extending so much love. And you know, we can never

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Speaker 3: underestimate the power of cultivating helping people cultivate safety in

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Speaker 3: their lives. No matter how small that window or pocket

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Speaker 3: of time was for her, it comes back to re

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Speaker 3: establishing safety. And it's really why I felt so passionate

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Speaker 3: about the children's resources, which, to be honest, deVie, I

586
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Speaker 3: didn't know that those were going to be in my future.

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Speaker 3: But I think, as you know, having a little one,

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Speaker 3: especially five years old kindergarten, there's so much that's happening

589
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Speaker 3: in this time that's opened up my eyes too. Wow,

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Speaker 3: we need to start sooner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, need to start so much sooner. Would yoga be

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Speaker 1: something that a parent could consider seeking out for their child.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there are so many incredible trauma informed yoga teachers

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Speaker 3: who specialize in working with children. Wow, you know, and

595
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 3: please reach out to me if I can be of

596
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 3: any support and getting you connected to referrals, because I've

597
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: had the honor of training so many healing practitioners who

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00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: not only teach classes in the community, but also start

599
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Speaker 3: to integrate this modality into their clinical work. And we're

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Speaker 3: seeing so much benefit there as well, because if you

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Speaker 3: think about it, you know, a child doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: just launch into a trauma narrative, you know. I think

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Speaker 3: starting with some fun, there's so many ways to make

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Speaker 3: the practice accessible to kiddos and also teaching it still

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Speaker 3: in a trauma informed way, so adding sort of that

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Speaker 3: levity and that opportunity for play and to just kind

607
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: of express their emotions or how are your emotions expressing

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Speaker 3: themselves in your body today? What does that look like?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: I think it's there's so many subtle ways that I've

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Speaker 3: seen therapists start to integrate this into their work and

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Speaker 3: then and it sort of creates that pathway wow, for

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Speaker 3: some of the deeper work to continue. So yeah, and

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Speaker 3: the age is for healing deck is that's the children's deck.

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Speaker 3: There can I just show it? Okay? You know?

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, yes, start grabbing some So

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Speaker 1: just in the last like two years you have been

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Speaker 1: coming through with the heat. I mean there is this

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Speaker 1: is a very comprehensive body of work of your of

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Speaker 1: your systems, you know, and oh my goodness, like I

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Speaker 1: want to read through some of the books. Can we

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Speaker 1: go one by one?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Of course, so I know right now you have your

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Speaker 1: children's deck Age is for healing fifty two everyday practices

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Speaker 1: for strengthening Children's physical, emotional, and mental well being and

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Speaker 1: that released this month.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's coming out actually next month of February twenty seventh,

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Speaker 3: so soon.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And I the reason I shared this one first is

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Speaker 3: because it really goes back to what we were just

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Speaker 3: talking about in terms of making this an accessible practice

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Speaker 3: for children. Wow, Christina and I my colleague Christina and I,

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Speaker 3: we love this window of tolerance version for a child

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Speaker 3: friendly version, which she adapted from Dan Siegel and using

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Speaker 3: turtles as a way for children to kind of understand

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Speaker 3: what does it mean to be out of my window

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Speaker 3: of tolerance when I'm feeling super anxious or where I'm

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Speaker 3: feeling a little shut down and sad, you know, giving

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Speaker 3: them the child friendly ways I do a turtle stuffed

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Speaker 3: animal with my son, and he'll show me I'm feeling

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Speaker 3: a little out of control today, so the turtle is

644
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Speaker 3: turned upside down, or I'm feeling I'm feeling good. I

645
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Speaker 3: had a snack and I got my energy out, and

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Speaker 3: you know, I feel a little bit more in the zone.

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Speaker 3: And so I think taking these tools. You know, I

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Speaker 3: think a lot about if I had had some of

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Speaker 3: these tools when I was little. You know, little Zobby

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Speaker 3: the butterfly hugs the opportunities for anchoring. You know, it's just.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get this request.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, well this is your copy.

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Speaker 1: How powerful? And this What I'm really loving about what

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing in this book is it's you know, I

655
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Speaker 1: think now kind of there is this movement around helping

656
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Speaker 1: children have language for their emotion. So we're seeing things.

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Speaker 1: But as a parent, as I've been picking things up

658
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Speaker 1: and trying to use them with my child, it's really

659
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Speaker 1: I have not found a lot of things to be

660
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Speaker 1: that helpful because it's very very cognitively mature. You know,

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Speaker 1: there is like it's too it's too intense an understanding

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Speaker 1: or of a language system. You're trying to give a

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Speaker 1: child with no life experience, and so I always think,

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Speaker 1: is that actually disconnecting them from their motions more going

665
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Speaker 1: to give them a fatigue and an exhaustion of feeling.

666
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Speaker 1: But then what I'm seeing and what you're using here

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Speaker 1: is it's that slow developmental process of I'm giving you

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Speaker 1: developmentally what your brain and body can metabolize right now,

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Speaker 1: and how it can be used and then evolved and

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Speaker 1: stretched as you age. Wow. And when you said, when

671
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Speaker 1: you said, Christine, were you talking about our Christine's show, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Christine e md R Workbook for Kids, one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite episodes. Such a beautiful, beautiful woman in work,

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Speaker 1: So so blessed to have had her. Wow, I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited about this book. I also want to talk through

676
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Speaker 1: so your Trauma informed Yoga affirmation card deck as well

677
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Speaker 1: and a flip chart which is going to be released

678
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Speaker 1: this July. So this is for adults. Yes, okay, how

679
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Speaker 1: would someone work with this deck?

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Speaker 3: Oh? There are so many beautiful ways to work with

681
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Speaker 3: this deck? You know. I think for many survivors they

682
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Speaker 3: might just do a daily card pool and sort of

683
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Speaker 3: find their way into the shape. And there's a trauma

684
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Speaker 3: informed queue on the back for them to kind of

685
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Speaker 3: explore in their own way and at their own pace.

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Speaker 3: We have many yoga teachers who actually find these incredibly

687
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Speaker 3: helpful when they're sequencing. They're trauma informed yoga classes, so

688
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Speaker 3: they love to kind of just put them out and

689
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Speaker 3: create the sequence, and you know, then they have the

690
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Speaker 3: cues right there. I have many therapists who are like zombie,

691
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Speaker 3: I literally hold the card up during session and I

692
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Speaker 3: read your cue from the back. So it also takes

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Speaker 3: the pressure off of folks to have to if they're

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Speaker 3: new to the modality or work, or those who are

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Speaker 3: maybe not yoga teachers but wanting to kind of dabble

696
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Speaker 3: and starting to integrate these tools in their practice, you know,

697
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Speaker 3: just a way to anchor the session. The cards are

698
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Speaker 3: deeply inclusive and just really meant to be a soft

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Speaker 3: place to land for folks. And I see so many

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Speaker 3: healing practitioners creating their they're really sacred circles when they're

701
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Speaker 3: holding space and putting out the you know, putting out

702
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Speaker 3: the deck for folks to choose from, so.

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Speaker 1: So so special, so special, just you know, when I

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Speaker 1: think of at some of the retreats I lead, like

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Speaker 1: the sacredness of creating the space. It's just it's a

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Speaker 1: part that means so much to me, and like even

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Speaker 1: shout out to everyone that has been to the Women

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Speaker 1: who Heal retreat at the Omega Institute. Me and Samantha Timmins,

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Speaker 1: who's on my team. Sam and I always like are

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Speaker 1: in the room an hour early and we are dancing,

711
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Speaker 1: we are lighting incense, I'm doing reiki in this space.

712
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Speaker 1: We're praying, you know, we're trying to invoke an energy

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Speaker 1: in that feels safe and soft before people even step

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Speaker 1: foot in there. And it's I think it's one of

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful parts of being a teacher is being

716
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Speaker 1: able to continually kind of build and expand the way

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Speaker 1: you're able to do that.

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Speaker 3: So I love that so much. I can see it too.

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Speaker 3: I can see you in Samantha doing your thing in there.

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Speaker 3: I need to come to one of these rituals. Oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh.

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Speaker 1: I would love to Oh God, okay, well you're coming,

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Speaker 1: so everyone that's happening, yes, indeed, And I would love

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Speaker 1: to speak about to your other books. So in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two you dropped your first book, and this is

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Speaker 1: kind of like the master book of all of the

727
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Speaker 1: deep work and deep healing that you've created. And so

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Speaker 1: that is the Trauma in Formed Yoga for Survivors of

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Speaker 1: sexual assault Practices for healing and Teaching with compassion.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yes it is the first book baby for sure,

731
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Speaker 3: like such a deeply treasured.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's gorgeous. The images are so beautiful

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Speaker 1: in the colors illustrator Eve Andrew. So these are all

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Speaker 1: get all of these.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're all your coffee into that later.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is really the guide book for you know, anyone,

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Speaker 3: not only for survivors who are seeking out their journey

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Speaker 3: to heal through trauma informed djoga, but also for any

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Speaker 3: healing practitioner who wants to learn how to hold space

741
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Speaker 3: in a trauma informed way. And then sort of the

742
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Speaker 3: second half of the book is really about you know,

743
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Speaker 3: how often have have you gone to an amazing training

744
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Speaker 3: or immersion or retreat and you're like, I learned so

745
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Speaker 3: much incredible information that I want to end great, but

746
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Speaker 3: I don't know where to start. Yes, you know, like, yes,

747
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Speaker 3: where I know what means to happen? But how do

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Speaker 3: I make it happen? So the second half of the

749
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Speaker 3: book is all about how to build and implement your

750
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Speaker 3: own trauma informed djoga program or curriculum or teach classes

751
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Speaker 3: and everything I've learned over these past several years of

752
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Speaker 3: doing this work.

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Speaker 1: What an invaluable tool. Thank you so much, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for creating it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And then you have your first children's book, which is

757
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Speaker 1: your Joy is beautiful, the magic of remembering you are enough,

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Speaker 1: just as you are. So tell me about this book

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Speaker 1: and how how can parents really sink into it with

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Speaker 1: their children, or excuse me, teachers or anyone that supports children,

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Speaker 1: how can they sink into it with a young one?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, there are so many tools in this book.

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Speaker 3: I actually wrote this book. I wanted to show them

764
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Speaker 3: tired mama, So it was intentional me too, Mama who

765
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Speaker 3: says you help me slow down and honor my pace

766
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Speaker 3: and that feeling of presence just can't be replaced.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And you know, so many moms will write me and

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Speaker 3: they're like, I feel so seen with the tired mom

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Speaker 3: and her coffee trying to just have a moment, you know,

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Speaker 3: And really the book is about that. It's about the

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Speaker 3: beauty and joy and enoughness of these everyday moments. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's like a pile of laundry here on the couch

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Speaker 3: and they're dropping into their yoga shapes, and you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that is so okay. Can I something I want

776
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Speaker 1: to speak to that? You are so powerful? Of course,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of times, you know, some of the

778
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Speaker 1: new materials that are coming out for children, it's focused

779
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Speaker 1: on the children, but it's not necessarily focus on helping

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Speaker 1: the children even understand the relationship and kind of some

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Speaker 1: of that emotional exchange that happens between child and parent.

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Speaker 1: So the page that you just showed and kind of

783
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Speaker 1: being able to give language and tools to parents for

784
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Speaker 1: the very real experience of being utterly exhausted and also

785
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Speaker 1: navigating your own life's traumas and experiences and all the

786
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Speaker 1: ways that you didn't get any of this. It's just

787
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Speaker 1: so empowerful that that tool is present as well, that

788
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Speaker 1: there is some language being created around that. I like,

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, I actually let my son see me

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Speaker 1: cry for the first time, like he kind of I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's seen me cry like movies maybe, or he's seen

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Speaker 1: happy tears. But I was having a day. But you

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Speaker 1: got to get dinner made, you got to do all

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Speaker 1: the things. So I just had some tears and he

795
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Speaker 1: comes up and he's like, are those happy tears? And

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Speaker 1: it's like a part of me wanted to lie so

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Speaker 1: bad and just like, yeah, babes, right, you know, because

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Speaker 1: you also kind of at least I do. I think

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Speaker 1: I don't ever want my child to feel responsible for

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Speaker 1: me emotionally, and I don't want to give them kind

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Speaker 1: of access to seem sensing or feeling more than they

802
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Speaker 1: know how to understand or digest. But then, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just said, actually, no, Mom is just a little

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Speaker 1: sad today. I just have a little bit of sad tears.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I'm holding my heart and I'll be okay,

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Speaker 1: you know. And he just saw that, and it's funny,

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Speaker 1: it was it was confusing for him. He looked at

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Speaker 1: me confused. I mean, yeah, he was just like, what

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Speaker 1: is that feeling? But he needed to witness it, right

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Speaker 1: because I'm not perfect. I am a human and I

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Speaker 1: have feelings. And it was just so helpful for me

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Speaker 1: to give myselfkind of the space to do that, but

813
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Speaker 1: to really slow down enough to think, how do I

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Speaker 1: want to present this to him and how do I

815
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Speaker 1: want to share that it's not his responsibility or something

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Speaker 1: he has to fix. He doesn't need to make me laugh,

817
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it doesn't need to scare him that

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Speaker 1: I can take care of myself. But you can also

819
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Speaker 1: see the truth of what an adult experience is.

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Speaker 3: Exactly that exactly that, that's exactly what I was going

821
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Speaker 3: to say. That what a powerful and beautiful moment that

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Speaker 3: you were able to model for him. Thank you that

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Speaker 3: this is this is okay, you know, these are just

824
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Speaker 3: some sad tears. But you know, we want, I think

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Speaker 3: so much. First of all, we don't talk enough about

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Speaker 3: how challenging it is to always hold the default nervous

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Speaker 3: system in the room.

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Speaker 1: Okay, two today, you know we could, we could do.

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Speaker 3: A whole episode on that of just being a healer

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Speaker 3: and a facilitator and a mother. And you know, there

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Speaker 3: are so many I imagine many of your listeners are

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Speaker 3: holding these intersecting roles of like always having the pressure

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Speaker 3: to be regulated and to be you know, all whatever

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Speaker 3: we want to call it, all the things, and it's

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Speaker 3: just not that's not that's not a human response.

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Speaker 1: And it also is int potentially setting your child up

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Speaker 1: to know how to navigate the world or how to

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Speaker 1: even interact with you. For the rest of your lives

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Speaker 1: together outside of childhood deeply, Well, can you say what

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Speaker 1: you just said again? You said the default emotion.

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Speaker 3: Of the room, the default nervous system, default nervous system

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Speaker 3: in the room. And when I'm doing sort of trainings

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Speaker 3: on vicarious trauma or burnout within these various organizations that

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Speaker 3: I support, when I say that to a room full

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Speaker 3: of doctors or educators, administrator, you see the tears immediately

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Speaker 3: fled down their faces. You know, because it's a really

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Speaker 3: moving moment to take a moment to say I am

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00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 3: I am holding so so much, And of course how

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Speaker 3: human of me to have this moment where I can't

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Speaker 3: I just can't hold it all together. Right now. We'restantly

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00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: pushing beyond our capacity every single day, like there's always

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Speaker 3: someone who's going to be waiting on a response from us.

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Speaker 3: And the other day I must have had a really

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Speaker 3: distressed look on my face while I was on my laptop.

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Speaker 3: My son six years old, he comes over and he

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Speaker 3: shuts my laptop and he goes, he puts his arms

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Speaker 3: around me, he goes, it's okay, MoMA, it doesn't have

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Speaker 3: to be perfect. You are You are the teacher. You

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Speaker 3: know you are the teacher little one, you know, guys.

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Speaker 3: So it's all these moments, you know, can lead lead

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Speaker 3: to beautiful moments like that where they're reflecting it back

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Speaker 3: to us when we need it most.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that just speaks volumes to your parenting. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So everyone connect with all of these books. How can

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Speaker 1: our listening audience and viewers, how can they connect with you?

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Speaker 3: Oh? My goodness, will please feel free to connect with

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Speaker 3: me on Instagram at Transcending Trauma with Yoga and my

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Speaker 3: website is Zabiyamasaki dot com and there's a number of

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Speaker 3: the incredible work, Debbie, that you do in the world.

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Speaker 3: You are so you are doing exactly what you are

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Speaker 3: meant to do. That is so so fear in who

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Speaker 3: you are and everything that you embody and just this

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Speaker 3: is the first time I'm meeting you. Well, I've been

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Speaker 3: very familiar with your work, but just being able to

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Speaker 3: feel your presence in person is incredibly sacred and special.

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Speaker 3: So I've cherished this time with you today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much, Sabie, thank you for

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Speaker 1: just that gorgeous reflection. I'm going to let all of

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you for that, and thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for this revolutionary work, this pioneering work.

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Speaker 1: This is so important. This is you know, work like

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Speaker 1: this doesn't just change someone's life, someone who deserves to

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Speaker 1: feel better in their life, experience in their body, but

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Speaker 1: it changes generations because everyone that comes from that person

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Speaker 1: that can connect with this life saving, life changing work

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Speaker 1: will be impacted forever. You know. Thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for what you do, thank you for who

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I would love to share a soul work practice with everyone.

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Speaker 1: As you allow yourself to digest, think about integrate this episode.

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Speaker 1: Consider sharing it with someone that you feel safe with,

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Speaker 1: someone that you think needs it, or that could create

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Speaker 1: space to be in conversation about something that may have

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Speaker 1: arisen for you from this episode. So that's the first task,

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Speaker 1: if you wish. The second would be consider taking some

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Speaker 1: time to have a stretch practice this week if you

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Speaker 1: feel up to it, and at any moment you don't

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Speaker 1: release it, and it's fine. But consider just having low

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Speaker 1: able to get into a seated position and slowly leaning forward,

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Speaker 1: you may get as far as your knees and that's perfect.

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Speaker 1: You may get up to your toes, that's perfect. Whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, just notice yourself and then see if there's

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Speaker 1: opportunity to spend a little more time there, to deepen

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Speaker 1: and then the next and the next, and see what

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Speaker 1: comes up for you in that. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. Thank you for joining me on this show.

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Speaker 1: does not constitute a provider patient relationship. As always, it

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