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Speaker 1: Hola. My name is Mike Sargeant. I am the senior

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Speaker 1: production manager here at Latino USA, and part of my

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Speaker 1: I want to wish Latino USA a very happy thirtieth anniversary.

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud to be part of this team and

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Speaker 2: This is Latino USA, the radio journal of News and

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Speaker 2: Kurturre Latino US latin Latino USA. I'm Maria Inojosa. We

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Speaker 2: bring you stories that are underreported but that mattered to you,

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Speaker 2: the stories of black and Latino Studio United, Latino Front,

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Speaker 2: I'm Maria ino Josa, nose Bayan. It's around eight o'clock

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Speaker 2: on a cold November morning in midtown New York, a

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Speaker 2: to stand in front of the Roosevelt Hotel today, and

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Speaker 2: you might be wondering why. Well, a little bit of information.

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Speaker 2: This hotel dates back to nineteen twenty four. It's nineteen

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Speaker 2: And if you ever saw the movie Made in Manhattan,

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Speaker 3: The Roosevelt Hotel in Midtown will open today as an

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Speaker 4: Seekers arriving in New York City from the southern border.

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Speaker 2: Over the past year, an estimated one hundred thousand plus

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Speaker 4: On Wednesday morning, three more buses filled with migrants arriving

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Speaker 4: This comes as Texas Governor Greg Abbott repeatedly sends thousands

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Speaker 2: Critics have called the buzzing of migrants and refugees political theater.

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Speaker 2: They've accused Texas Governor Greg Abbot of using migrants as

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Speaker 5: I don't see an end into this. This issue will

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Speaker 2: Some immigration advocates believe that it's precisely that kind of

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Speaker 6: To do, it's to make the workers or never, and

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Speaker 2: On this morning in November, I'm standing close to the

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Speaker 2: Her name is Joanna and she's from Ecuador. She's been

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about these shelters? Can you describe

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Speaker 2: Juanna says her experience at the hotel has been good,

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Speaker 2: Then Joanna gets emotional. She tells me she had to

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Speaker 2: And then she tells me she's a hairdresser and that

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Speaker 2: These immigrants, refugees, migrants, they are resourceful, and Joanna says

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Speaker 2: You're eleven years old. They're from Colombia and they've been

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Speaker 2: I listened to Joanna and Elisabe, I think about all

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Speaker 2: And yes, some things have changed, but many things too,

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Speaker 2: many things have not, like the constant anti immigrant rhetoric,

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Speaker 2: In New York, climbing through a jungle, you know, writing

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Speaker 10: Many churches have long held to the tradition of sanctuary,

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Speaker 2: We also reported on anti immigrant groups like the Minutemen,

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Speaker 2: Throughout the last three decades, Latino USA has also reported

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Speaker 2: Bueno Le Natalia, Camillo Bimnidos Menida and Latino USA. Welcome

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Speaker 9: You, myda, thank you, thank you so much for having us.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people think that the issue of

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Speaker 11: What I think is probably the biggest structural change I've

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Speaker 2: Natalia, you have not been a legal activist like Lee,

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Speaker 2: You've been a grassroots activist. So your takeaway of thirty years,

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Speaker 12: First of all, for me, immigrants are me and my family,

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Speaker 12: We need to continue to build more power to be

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Speaker 14: This is Sarah Austin Jenness and everyone over here at

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Speaker 14: the Moth Radio Hour is wishing Maria Inajosa and everyone

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Speaker 14: Thank you, thank you, Thank you for the important, the critical,

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're back and we're going to continue our conversation

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Speaker 2: with Legal Learned Natalia Aristi Sabal and Camilo Montoya Galvez.

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Speaker 2: We're walking through some of the major events that have

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Speaker 2: for each of them. Here's our conversation once again. Lee,

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Speaker 2: Let's take you back because you started as an attorney

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Speaker 15: The US Border Patrol has begun a mass of crackdown

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Speaker 2: This was a democratic administration. It was President Clinton, and

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Speaker 11: Yeah. I think in the nineteen nineties we had some

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Speaker 7: Everybody talks about it, thinks about it that some of

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Speaker 12: Just thinking about it, I'm getting a live Ataria because

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Speaker 2: Gracias borreso, Natalia Ikabilo. You know, the years that Natalia

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Speaker 13: At first? It was hard. Not only did I not

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Miss Drugger from New Jersey for doing that.

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Speaker 2: We love that. So, Natalia, I actually want to go

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Speaker 10: It to him, DEPORTERI you called me deporter, reporter in chief.

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Speaker 2: It is, in fact, when President Obama signs DHAKA deferred

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Speaker 2: Action for childhood arrivals, and actually that that changes everything

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Speaker 2: because now you have the issue of immigration now being

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Speaker 2: divided up. So it wasn't comprehensive immigration reform now it

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Speaker 2: was well, let's just deal with the young people. My

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Speaker 2: question to you is we witnessed that organizing, we saw

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Speaker 2: what it could do. So what do you hope will

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Speaker 2: be the role of activists pro immigrant activists.

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Speaker 12: Thank you so much for bringing that up, And yes

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Speaker 12: I was part of that fight. The twenty twelve win

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Speaker 12: of DHAKA happens on the shoulders of the for the

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Speaker 12: Dream A DREAMAC actually got voted and it didn't pass

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Speaker 12: the Senate by five votes, and that was a huge

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Speaker 12: hit for the movement in general. I think the closest

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Speaker 12: we probably have been to actually pass forward legislation. I mean, now,

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Speaker 12: we're all like adults, but in twenty eleven, young people

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Speaker 12: who were fighting to say we grew up here, we're

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Speaker 12: not going to take deportation as the option for our future.

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Speaker 12: And already our existence is one where you see that

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Speaker 12: we're defining laws. So We're going to use that and

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Speaker 12: we're going to make the visible invisible, which is our lives.

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Speaker 12: And people took over the campaign offices for President Obama

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Speaker 12: because he was seeking re election, lots of marches on

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Speaker 12: the ground, so he makes the announcement.

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Speaker 9: June fifteen, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Twelve, President Barack Obama announced an executive order that would

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Speaker 2: allow some young undocumented people to stay in the US legally.

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Speaker 2: An estimated eight hundred thousand immigrants brought to the US's

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Speaker 2: kids could be affected. We spoke to three of.

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Speaker 12: Them, and I think that it took also courage on

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Speaker 12: his end and his administration, but he took a stan

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Speaker 12: on immigration. And I think that what we haven't seen

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Speaker 12: now from the Democratic Party is being bold and being

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Speaker 12: able to take us stand and actually say we believe

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Speaker 12: that if we take action for the immigrant community, the

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Speaker 12: people that they are a part of, the communities that

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Speaker 12: they are a part of, they're going to come out

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Speaker 12: and vote. So I understand that we don't have the

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Speaker 12: votes that we need in Congress to pass legislation, but

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Speaker 12: it is within the president and jurisdiction to be able

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Speaker 12: to pass other solutions, even if they get challenged in

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Speaker 12: the court. I myself have fought since DAKA got passed

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Speaker 12: to suay public opinions so that DAKA continues to exist

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Speaker 12: as a program. We're going to continue to fight for

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Speaker 12: the people that are here, because the people that are

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Speaker 12: here on document that have nowhere else to go. We're

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Speaker 12: talking about families who've been here twenty thirty forty years

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Speaker 12: waiting for a solution. This is their home, this is

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Speaker 12: where their grandkids or kids are, this is where their

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Speaker 12: everyday life is. And so we're going to continue to

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Speaker 12: organize to everything humanly possible to pass a permanent solution.

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Speaker 2: Now, we also know that what we have all witnessed

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Speaker 2: is that immigrants now very clearly have been used as

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Speaker 2: political pawns. This has happened throughout American history. But one

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Speaker 2: of the things that we witnessed here in New York City,

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Speaker 2: which is, by the way, since nineteen eighty nine, a

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Speaker 2: sanctuary city, that is a city that is supposed to

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Speaker 2: protect its immigrants, and yet recently, in the past several months, frankly,

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Speaker 2: we began to see something in New York that I've

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Speaker 2: never seen before. People protesting against immigrants and refugees arriving

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Speaker 2: into New York City, where the Statue of Liberty is

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Speaker 2: a stone's throw.

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Speaker 10: Another large protest last night on Staten Island at the

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Speaker 10: site of former school being used to house asylum seekers.

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Speaker 16: Ten people were arrested taken into police custody because they

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Speaker 16: were protesting a new migrant shelter at a former senior

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Speaker 16: living facility.

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Speaker 13: This cannot stand, This is not right.

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Speaker 1: This bust in now.

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Speaker 9: Dozens of people who live there are fuming.

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Speaker 7: After minuans were dropped off at a Catholic school that

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Speaker 7: the city is now using as a shelter.

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Speaker 2: I have all kinds of questions about who is rallying

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Speaker 2: the protests.

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Speaker 6: Lee.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about how you understand these protests.

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Speaker 11: I do think some of it may be organic, in

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Speaker 11: the sense that there are probably more anti immigrant views,

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Speaker 11: not just in New York but obviously the whole country.

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Speaker 11: Then maybe comes out at different times. But I do

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Speaker 11: think some of it was exacerbated by the mayor's rhetoric,

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Speaker 11: which was unfortunate.

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Speaker 5: In my view, this issue will destroy New York City.

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Speaker 11: And you know, there's nothing wrong with him asking the

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Speaker 11: federal government for help, and I think providing more research

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Speaker 11: from the federal government is a good thing. But the

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Speaker 11: way he talked about it, I felt like polarized New

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Speaker 11: York pitted people against immigrants, and New York had largely

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Speaker 11: escaped that kind of polarization and hostility for a long time.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's a depressing chapter. I think that things

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Speaker 11: can turn so quickly and people can become so hostile

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Speaker 11: toward immigrants. From a political standpoint, Texas governors made their point,

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Speaker 11: and I think it's really important that the democratic mayor

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Speaker 11: is not take debit and say we will work to

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Speaker 11: find solutions.

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, when I was in front of the Roosevelt Hotel,

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Speaker 2: I actually felt good to hear that the people who

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Speaker 2: I spoke to didn't even know that there had been

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Speaker 2: protests against them. They were like, oh wait, what people

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Speaker 2: have been protesting against us because we've really felt kind

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Speaker 2: of welcomed, Which was fascinating. Natalia as an activist, though,

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Speaker 2: when you started to see or hear about these pop

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Speaker 2: up anti immigrant demonstrations, what's going on for you as

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Speaker 2: an organizer?

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Speaker 12: New York is a state in a city of migrants.

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Speaker 12: So when we look at the history, actually, in nineteen

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Speaker 12: oh seven, Ellis Island process about one point twenty five

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Speaker 12: million immigrants in one year. The record was one hundred

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Speaker 12: thousand in one month. And so in theory, what we're

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Speaker 12: seeing here right now, New York has seen it before.

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Speaker 12: It's just not in recent history, but it is part

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Speaker 12: of the history in the foundation of what makes the

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Speaker 12: United States, and again what makes New York.

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Speaker 9: And the people who went out and to.

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Speaker 12: Protest are people who are being galvanized and moved by

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Speaker 12: hate and fear, which is a tactic of governing, and

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Speaker 12: it is a wrong tactic, but nonetheless one that gets

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Speaker 12: people to move where they're blaming somebody that just arrived

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Speaker 12: for the problems that are existing in the city, and

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Speaker 12: that person who just arrived is not actually going to

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Speaker 12: take their jobs or is not actually taking their resources.

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Speaker 12: You're diverting the problem to someone else. It was really

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Speaker 12: heartbreaking to see those protests happen, like in Staten Island,

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Speaker 12: in other places, meaning like not everywhere. Thankfully, the community

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Speaker 12: and the networks who have come together to provide support

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Speaker 12: for this population has been bigger. This is also a

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Speaker 12: moment of an opportunity in New York because of the pandemics.

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Speaker 12: While a lot of people leave the state, there is

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Speaker 12: a lack of workers especially upstate, especially in farms. We

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Speaker 12: are in a moment that if the mayor of New

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Speaker 12: York and the governor put their heads together, we can

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Speaker 12: figure out how to get the population that's here looking

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Speaker 12: for jobs and place them in the counties, in the

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Speaker 12: areas where they can be working. There is actually ways

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Speaker 12: to look at this issue as an opportunity and it's

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Speaker 12: a solution.

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Speaker 9: Is a continuing the legacy that New York has had.

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Speaker 12: Organizers are here and why we work with lawyers to

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Speaker 12: make sure that the powers that be are not continuing

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Speaker 12: this narrative and are not continuing to put the blame

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Speaker 12: on people who just got here. We are continuing to

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Speaker 12: work to put forward solutions.

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Speaker 2: What have you seen in fact, Gamillo, as you've traveled

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Speaker 2: around the country, do you see the same kind of

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Speaker 2: pitying a community against immigrants as a political solution to

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Speaker 2: the problems of let's say, local government.

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Speaker 13: I have seen what is happening in New York play

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Speaker 13: out also in communities like Chicago, for example, they have

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Speaker 13: converted police stations, hotels, and other facilities including gyms, into

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Speaker 13: makeshift shelters for migrants and some local community members, not everyone, obviously,

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Speaker 13: but some of them have protested against that because their

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Speaker 13: argument is that the government there should be taking care

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Speaker 13: of what they considered to be that domestic native born population,

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Speaker 13: not new arrivals. So this strategy by Texas Governor Greg

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Speaker 13: Abbott to bus migrants to democratic led jurisdictions, mainly New

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Speaker 13: York and Chicago, has not only changed the political calculus

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Speaker 13: money on this issue by making local democrats criticize the

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Speaker 13: Biden administration on this, but it has also created these divisions,

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Speaker 13: and you're seeing them in New York where you talked

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Speaker 13: about the protests in Staten Island and Long Island, but

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Speaker 13: also in Chicago and other communities. So it is something

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Speaker 13: that I think communities have to grapple with.

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Speaker 2: Now coming up on Latino USA, a look at how

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Speaker 2: immigration might play in the twenty twenty four election year,

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Speaker 2: and a final reflection of what each of us can

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Speaker 2: do in terms of this issue. Stay with us. Yes, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're back and we're continuing our special coverage of thirty

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Speaker 2: years of Latino USA by having a conversation about one

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Speaker 2: of the topics that has been fundamental to our show, immigration.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking with lawyer, legal learned activist, Natali artist Di

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Speaker 2: Sabal and CBS News reporter Camilo Montoya Galves. And while

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Speaker 2: we're looking back, we're also looking ahead because twenty four

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Speaker 2: is a presidential election year and immigration is definitely going

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Speaker 2: to play an essential role in that race. So here's

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Speaker 2: the rest of our conversation. Let's talk about politics, because

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Speaker 2: we are entering into twenty twenty four. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be a major election. I actually think that Latino and

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Speaker 2: Latina latinx Latine voters are going to be central in

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Speaker 2: this election. Gamillo, you've been on the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: campaign now for a couple of weeks. You are actually

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Speaker 2: following the candidates. You are reporting on Donald Trump, the

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Speaker 2: Republican front runner, who is, as far as we know,

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Speaker 2: the only presidential candidate ever to have criminal charges while

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Speaker 2: he's amidst running. So, Trump has upped yet again his

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Speaker 2: anti immigrant statements. He has said that if he is

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Speaker 2: re elected that he will have more extreme policies and

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Speaker 2: birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 3: We've got to have the largest mass deportation effort in history.

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Speaker 2: We're going to.

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Speaker 15: He started a media.

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Speaker 2: So, what is your take on Trump upping the anti

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Speaker 2: immigrant rhetoric and how much power does this anti immigrant

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Speaker 2: argument still have well.

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Speaker 13: Former President Donald Trump Madria has certainly made immigration a

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Speaker 13: top campaign issue yet again, just like he did in

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Speaker 13: twenty sixteen when he was elected. He has not only

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Speaker 13: promised to carry out the largest deportation operation in US history,

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Speaker 13: he has promised to deny US citizenship to the American

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Speaker 13: born children of undocumented immigrants, but he has also promised

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Speaker 13: to implement ideological screenings for legal immigrants to deny entry

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Speaker 13: to those whose political beliefs he disagrees with. He has

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Speaker 13: also refused to rule out reinstating that infamous and notorious

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Speaker 13: family separation policy along the US Mexico border, and he's

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Speaker 13: hoping that that will galvanize its base. He i think,

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Speaker 13: also believes that this is a political challenge for the

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Speaker 13: Bided administration because of the situation along the border. But

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Speaker 13: Biden Campaig told us that they see an opportunity here

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Speaker 13: to talk about an issue that many people believe. President

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Speaker 13: Biden and his campaign, for that matter, do not want

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Speaker 13: to talk about immigration in the context of course of

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Speaker 13: criticizing these very drastic promises that former President Trump is

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Speaker 13: making and portraying them as extreme, radical and draconian. To

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Speaker 13: make sure that Latina voters and moderates and independents and

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Speaker 13: others in a general election are aware of them, and

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Speaker 13: they're hoping that they will be turned off by them,

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Speaker 13: and that this will galvanized Latinos to vote for Democrats

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Speaker 13: and President Biden. So it's not really Maria like the

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Speaker 13: Biden campaign is making a proactive affirmative case on immigration.

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Speaker 13: It's more like they're saying, well, the alternative is really

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Speaker 13: really bad.

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Speaker 9: Lee.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you represented migrants and refugees in lawsuits connected

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Speaker 2: specifically to the issue of family separation. So have you.

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Speaker 2: It's seen a substantial difference between the Democratic administration of

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Speaker 2: Biden and the Republican former Trump administration in terms of

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Speaker 2: these issues.

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Speaker 11: On the family separation issue specifically, that is a place

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Speaker 11: where the Biden administration has distance itself from the Trump administration.

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Speaker 11: I think that had to be the case, given that

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Speaker 11: President Biden in the second presidential debate he specifically talked

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Speaker 11: about the family separation policy being criminal and a moral

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Speaker 11: stain on the nation. So we have recently reached an

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Speaker 11: historic settlement with the Biden administration. It's not yet final

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Speaker 11: that it has to be approved by the court, but

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Speaker 11: that was an important step forward for these families, a

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Speaker 11: commitment to reunify the families, to provide assistance, and also

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Speaker 11: prohibitions on a family separation policy going forward. On other policies,

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Speaker 11: there's not been an enormous amount of daylight between in

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Speaker 11: the Biden administration and the Trump administration, in particular on

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Speaker 11: the border. The Biden administration, unfortunately, rather than creating a

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Speaker 11: humane asylum system, an efficient humane asylum system like they

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Speaker 11: said they would, has now enacted what we're calling Asylum

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Speaker 11: Ban three, and we're in the courts challenging that. So

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Speaker 11: we will attack any unlawful policy, whether it's a democratic

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Speaker 11: or Republican administration. And I think that the Biden administration

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Speaker 11: has not had an enormous amount of political courage on immigration,

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Speaker 11: and so there have been things that they've done well,

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Speaker 11: but there have been things where I think they've shied

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Speaker 11: away because of what I see as them being fearful

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Speaker 11: of the politics. The other part is if a Trump

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Speaker 11: administration comes in, what will happen? And I recently saw

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Speaker 11: a quote from one of the Trump people saying that

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Speaker 11: they're going to overwhelm the immigrant advocates this time, which

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Speaker 11: I think is probably a nod to the fact that

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Speaker 11: the first time Trump was in office, we all responded.

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Speaker 11: I mean, for example, on asylum ban one, we responded

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Speaker 11: in court within two hours of him announcing the policy,

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Speaker 11: and people took to the streets. There was an enormous

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Speaker 11: amount of litigation. I think we're just going to have

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Speaker 11: no choice but to gear up again, organize, go to court,

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Speaker 11: get the energy back up, and fight. There's no other

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Speaker 11: solution other than to fight, and that means in court

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Speaker 11: and also on the ground and organizing and just push back. Ultimately,

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Speaker 11: my job is to go to court, and so that's

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Speaker 11: what I do. But you can never really get systemic

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Speaker 11: change on a long term basis just from the courts.

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Speaker 11: It ultimately has to be coupled with organizing and a

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Speaker 11: movement on the ground. We saw that with family separation,

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Speaker 11: people took to the streets. But that ultimately has to

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Speaker 11: be what happens so that any litigation is surrounded by

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Speaker 11: a real civil rights movement. And that's what you saw

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Speaker 11: in the sixties. It's happened only in limited ways and

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Speaker 11: unlimited times over the last thirty years around immigration, but

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Speaker 11: when it does, it's really what enables us to defeat

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Speaker 11: egregious legislation or push forward pro immorant measures.

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Speaker 2: So, Gamillo, you work in the mainstream news, I'm just

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Speaker 2: wondering as you look to twenty twenty four, there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of criticism around the mainstream media just kind

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Speaker 2: of repeating these narratives that what I say is like

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Speaker 2: the people who run most of the news networks have

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Speaker 2: grown up consuming the same kind of immigrant mainstream media

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Speaker 2: news narrative and continue to repeat it and repeat it

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Speaker 2: without really doing deep critical thinking like what we've been

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Speaker 2: doing here in this conversation. That's a lot of weight

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Speaker 2: on your back, Gamilo, as one of the few Latino

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Speaker 2: correspondents in a major news network, what are you hoping

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Speaker 2: to achieve within the mainstream media on the issue of

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Speaker 2: covering immigration in the twenty twenty four election year.

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Speaker 13: So I would say I have two main objectives when immigration, Maria.

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Speaker 13: The first one is to make sure that we are

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Speaker 13: not dehumanizing anyone, that we have an important and nuanced

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Speaker 13: human focus to every story that we covered, the human

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Speaker 13: impact of the policies that we discuss on a daily basis,

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Speaker 13: the underground impact of those programs and policies, And so

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Speaker 13: we have worked on standards guidance our TBS about how

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Speaker 13: to use certain terms when discussing this issue, and we

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Speaker 13: have decided collectively, and I'm proud to have worked on

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Speaker 13: these matters, to conclude that we as an organization will

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Speaker 13: not label any human being as illegal, unlawful, or to

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Speaker 13: call anyone an alien, even though that is part of

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Speaker 13: the law, and that is one of the arguments that

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Speaker 13: people who support those terms would say that it is

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Speaker 13: part of US law. My other objective is to report

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Speaker 13: poured out information that is credible, Maria, that is nuanced,

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Speaker 13: that is nonpartisan, and that can be trusted by people

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Speaker 13: who have very distinct points of views on this issue.

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Speaker 13: And so we stick to the facts, and we try

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Speaker 13: to use terms that will instill confidence and credibility among

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Speaker 13: people who have progressive views on this issue, who have

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Speaker 13: moderate views on this issue, who have Republican leaning views

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Speaker 13: on this issue. And the two commitments that I just

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Speaker 13: laid out for some people can be in conflict with

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Speaker 13: each other, and I won't lie. It is a very

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Speaker 13: hard balance to strike, but it is something that I

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Speaker 13: tried to do on a daily basis.

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Speaker 2: So the question lee of policy right, because we haven't

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Speaker 2: seen any comprehensive immigration reform since nineteen eighty six. That's

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Speaker 2: almost forty years, right, I think there would be an

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Speaker 2: interest in some comprehensive immigration reform. But in your dream

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Speaker 2: o vision, Lee, what would be if there was one policy?

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Speaker 2: Is it an executive order? What would be that one

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Speaker 2: policy that you think could change things?

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Speaker 11: I think, like you know so many other people, I

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Speaker 11: would like to see comprehensive immigration reform. But I think

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Speaker 11: your question suggests what we're all thinking is that Congress

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Speaker 11: is not going to get around to that. And without

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Speaker 11: Congress acting, it is very difficult. If I'm looking at

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Speaker 11: just a couple of policies, I would like to see

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Speaker 11: a humane asylum system that's efficient so that people fleeing

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Speaker 11: danger actually have a way to get to this country

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Speaker 11: and seek safety. So I think for the executive branch,

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Speaker 11: I don't know that there's one particular policy I would

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Speaker 11: call on, but I think you know there has to

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Speaker 11: be a series of It is the only entity that

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Speaker 11: really can do it comprehensively is Congress. And I would

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Speaker 11: like to see something you may come out of Congress,

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Speaker 11: but we have not seen that in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Well, the idea is to never give up hope. In fact,

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Speaker 2: that's how you started, Natalia, was you remain hopeful. And

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Speaker 2: that's actually important because you are on the ground. What

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Speaker 2: do you think is needed in the discussion around immigration

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Speaker 2: in regards specifically to each individual person's role and responsibility

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Speaker 2: as somebody who's living in the United States right.

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Speaker 12: Now, I mean, the best role that we can have

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Speaker 12: as humans is tap into that humanity and treat other

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Speaker 12: people with respect and kindness. To understand that unless folks

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Speaker 12: are like Native American or folks who are black, and

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Speaker 12: we're brought here against their will, all of us come

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Speaker 12: from somewhere else. Somebody lended a hand, somebody helped us out,

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Speaker 12: and we were able to contribute back to the society

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Speaker 12: and the many ways that immigrants and people do. And

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Speaker 12: so for the individuals who say I don't know what

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Speaker 12: to do, the first thing you could do is be

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Speaker 12: part of networks that are welcoming other people. You can

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Speaker 12: always call your representative, and I'm always going to say,

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Speaker 12: like they say that they need to hear from their constituents.

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Speaker 12: And if you are, especially in Red states and other areas,

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Speaker 12: call those phone calls take like five minutes or less.

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Speaker 12: Where you can call and see. I want to see

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Speaker 12: some action and be able to educate other people who

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Speaker 12: don't see it like us, because the reality is that

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Speaker 12: at the end of the day, what we need is

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Speaker 12: the people who maybe don't interact with a lot of

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Speaker 12: immigrants to have a conversation with an immigrant, to know

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Speaker 12: us and to know that we are actually, at the

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Speaker 12: end of the day, not that different. We are beautiful humans.

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Speaker 12: We have a lot to contribute when we stand in

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Speaker 12: that power, and when we stand in the power collective.

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Speaker 12: We may not have money or we may not be

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Speaker 12: able to pass law us, but we have people power,

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Speaker 12: and that, when you look.

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Speaker 9: At history, is actually what has created change.

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Speaker 12: So I am going to continue to share that message

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Speaker 12: and work towards that. But you don't have to be

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Speaker 12: an organizer to be able to do this. You can

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Speaker 12: do it in your community. You can do it at

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Speaker 12: a small scale at a church or a community center.

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Speaker 12: That type of work, it is beautiful and it's what's

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Speaker 12: going to create long term change.

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Speaker 11: I just wanted to pick up on Talia's point about

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Speaker 11: small scale because, as I think she would the first

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Speaker 11: to say, small scale doesn't mean unimportant. I think what

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Speaker 11: I'm seeing a lot of times, especially when I talk

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Speaker 11: to young people, is they're feeling overwhelmed because the problems

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Speaker 11: are so big, and they think, well, how can I

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Speaker 11: solve these big problems? What can I do? I can't

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Speaker 11: make a dent in these big problems. And I think

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Speaker 11: that's very dangerous for people to get in that mode.

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Speaker 11: And what I always try and tell people is just

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Speaker 11: do anything, help one person if you can. That is important.

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Speaker 11: If everyone can just do little things, it really makes

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Speaker 11: a difference. And to not get overwhelmed by the fact

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Speaker 11: that the problems are so big, so just be involved

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Speaker 11: in any way you can is really critical. Otherwise I

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Speaker 11: feel like we all just throw up our hands and

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Speaker 11: say the problem's too big, I can't make a dent

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Speaker 11: in it.

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Speaker 2: And I guess Camilo, we'd have to go back to

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Speaker 2: your teacher, missus Trucker and New Jersey, right, I think

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Speaker 2: so too. And it seems like she was just really

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Speaker 2: nice to you, even though you might not have been

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Speaker 2: able to understand her just being nice. I find it

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Speaker 2: very interesting that the three of you hardcore, you know,

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Speaker 2: lots of experience, and it's just like, yeah, but also

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Speaker 2: just if you see somebody be nice, be welcoming, like

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Speaker 2: Camillo's great school teacher.

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Speaker 13: No, I agree one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Media, Camillo, Natalia Lee, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: me on Latino USA and for all of your work

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Speaker 2: on behalf of what is essentially just a huge part

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Speaker 2: of American history, the immigrant story, which gonna ask yes.

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Speaker 13: Thank you, Maria, Thank you Maria for this important conversation.

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Speaker 12: That's is Maria, and thanks to all the colleagues here.

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Speaker 2: And that was our roundtable conversation about immigration for our

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Speaker 2: thirtieth anniversary here at Latino USA. But before we go,

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Speaker 2: I want to share a few of my personal thoughts

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Speaker 2: on this issue, which actually is an issue that I've

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Speaker 2: been covering from the very first day of my career,

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Speaker 2: the very first day back in nineteen eighty five. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm still impacted by what I see when

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Speaker 2: I'm out there reporting. So my recent visit to the

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Speaker 2: Roosevelt Hotel, it has stayed with me. On that cold

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Speaker 2: morning in Midtown, seeing New New Yorkers speaking for themselves,

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Speaker 2: with agency and with pride, it just gives me so

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Speaker 2: much hope. You know, they can't really be bothered by

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Speaker 2: other people's opinions or protests against them, or stories that

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Speaker 2: are being told about them. They just don't have time

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Speaker 2: for that. They're here working on making their dreams come true.

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Speaker 2: They're not sitting around complaining. As Juanna said to me

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Speaker 2: very clearly that morning at the Roosevelt Hotel, she said, no,

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Speaker 2: Si viktima, I'm not a victim. So just humanizing and

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Speaker 2: giving agency to them is correct, deem the narrative. Now,

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Speaker 2: I've had this dream ovision that if I ran the

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Speaker 2: New York Times, that the headlines would be New Yorkers

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Speaker 2: welcome refugees by giving them free money upon their arrivals.

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Speaker 2: For this headline, New Yorkers are thrilled to welcome new arrivals,

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Speaker 2: thrilled to meet this new batch of go getters who

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Speaker 2: are unstoppable superhuman beings living amongst us. Instead, after a

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Speaker 2: racist man chose to start his entire presidential campaign by

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Speaker 2: bullying Mexican immigrants, therefore all immigrants, therefore all Latinos Latinas LATINX.

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Speaker 2: Now too much of our precious time has to go

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Speaker 2: into debunking all of those lives which were repeated by

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Speaker 2: the mainstream media at nauseum. So what we do here

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Speaker 2: at Latino USA, and what I have done for thirty

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Speaker 2: years is to tell the truth, to report the truth,

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Speaker 2: giving immigrants and refugees the mic. That way we learn

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Speaker 2: from them, because they, like us, are not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: For the past thirty years, They've been here and they'll

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Speaker 2: be here for another thirty and another thirty and one

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Speaker 2: hundred after that. So remember the futuro regarding immigrants. It's

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Speaker 2: already here and there's nothing to fear by Mariano Josa

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Speaker 2: with those personal thoughts on immigration, and remember not rayas.

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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Victoria Strada and Rinaldo Leanos Junior.

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Speaker 2: It was edited by Andrea Lopez Cruzado, and it was

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Speaker 2: mixed by j. J. Krubin. Fact checking for this episode

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Speaker 2: by Roxanna Guire. The Latino USA team also includes Fri

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Speaker 2: mar Marquez, Marta Martinez, Mike Sargent, Nor Saudi, and Nancy Trujillo.

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Speaker 2: Vanille Ramirez is our co executive producer. Our director of

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Speaker 2: engineering is Stephanie lebou Our senior engineer is Julia Caruso.

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Speaker 2: Additional engineering support by gabrielle Abiez. Our marketing manager is

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Speaker 2: Luis Nuna. Our theme music was composed by Saniel RINOs.

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Speaker 2: I'm Your Host and executive producer Marie Jo Josa join

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Speaker 2: us again on our next episode, and in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: you can find us on social media and remember not

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Speaker 2: Te bayes Cao.

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Speaker 3: Latino USA is made possible in part by the John D.

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Speaker 3: And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Ford Foundation, working with

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Speaker 3: visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide, and

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Speaker 3: Latino USA thirtieth Anniversary episodes are made possible with support

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Speaker 3: from our legacy sustainers, the Brett Family Foundation, Alonso Cantu,

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Speaker 3: Carmen Rito Wang Vamos Enterprises, the National Association of Hispanic Journalists,

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Speaker 3: April Gaessler, doctor Elmo Randolph, Belinda de la Libertad, Angela

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Speaker 3: Garcia Simms, and Priscilla Rojas. Additional donors include Sandina Robbins,

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Speaker 3: Alexandria Selinas, Grace Sanchez, Fernande Santos, and Julio Ricardo Virella