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Speaker 1: of a layoff, when he takes on Jack dalea Madlena

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Speaker 1: in Miami, Miami. Man himself, it is, of course Gilbert Burns. Hi, Gilbert,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing great?

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Speaker 2: Doing great?

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Speaker 3: Louka, thank you?

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Speaker 1: How are we feeling? What's what's the what's the hair

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Speaker 1: plan for two ninety nine? What's it gonna be on

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Speaker 1: that day?

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna do some braids? He's gonna he's gonna

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Speaker 2: look nice. You're gonna braid a little bay. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be nice.

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Speaker 1: All right. I look forward to seeing. Hey, let's back

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Speaker 1: up a step.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You're fighting a UFC two ninety nine, but you've been

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Speaker 1: off since your fight to Bala Mohammad. The issue was

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Speaker 1: that you could have had surgery, you did not get

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Speaker 1: it and instead you got stem cells. Did I get

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Speaker 1: all that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you did it, but by the doctor, you know,

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Speaker 2: the doctor say you know what you should He's a mess,

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Speaker 2: you know, because it all tard injury ac joint as

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Speaker 2: he said, but I don't want to he's a surgery case.

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Speaker 2: But you open to try a steam cell treatment, then

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Speaker 2: we'll say yes, I don't want to get the surgery.

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Speaker 2: He said, let's do a steam cell right now.

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Speaker 3: Don't do anything. Don't run, you just.

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Speaker 2: Can't walk, but don't grab, don't you can't do anything

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Speaker 2: for a month. After a month you'll come back and

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Speaker 2: then we'll see if it's getting a little bit better,

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Speaker 2: you don't need the surgery. So after a month it

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Speaker 2: getting better. Steam cell is doing good work with you,

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Speaker 2: because with a lot of people who don't work like that.

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Speaker 2: And then we put another steam cell right there and

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Speaker 2: started getting so much better. Total, we did three steam

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Speaker 2: a little hard path, but was necessary and then I

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Speaker 2: could avoided surgery. It's just a little I have a

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Speaker 1: Okay, So a bunch of followups because I am somebody

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Speaker 2: So the process, I was going all the way to

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Speaker 2: they put that not a steroid, it's not a steroid.

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Speaker 2: All the grapplers are doing that that help you with

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Speaker 2: So paid for this, Yes, you paid for these.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you're a smart guy, Gilbert. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: The guy was kind of awkward, different style and was

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Speaker 1: You know, in terms of maintaining performance, I know you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you have world class training partners. So if

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Speaker 2: What I have that he never faced?

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Speaker 2: I think? I think the mix it up. If I Luke,

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Speaker 2: I think the experience that Craig has now, especially training

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Speaker 2: But that's what I like the most, looking to be honest,

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Speaker 2: And it's not easy. When I like, I really have

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Speaker 2: let's grapple. Let's see how many of ourritiones you have,

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Speaker 2: how many difference you have. That's what I like the most.

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Speaker 1: What does a win at UFC two ninety nine realistically

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Speaker 2: It depends. It depends on what type of win. You know.

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Speaker 2: If I go out there and get a finish and

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Speaker 2: dominate Jack and show his levels, I think he gets me.

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Speaker 2: I'm back. I'm very close to that. That that door

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Speaker 2: When when I hear the White saying he get a

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Speaker 2: my god, Okay, allow is not clear. He's not the

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Speaker 2: one that he's supposed to be, no more contended, but

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Speaker 2: he's not Like whenever I start heeing that, I say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I got to do my homework and my homeworker and ours.

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Speaker 3: To go out there and and make his statement. If

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Speaker 3: I go there and get it big and get a

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Speaker 2: If I'm going to be very close to a title shot,

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Speaker 1: Work to do or maybe not all right, very quickly,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. Give me a prediction for the

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Speaker 1: main event. Excuse me the home main event Dustin Poorier,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, they put me in trouble right now.

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Speaker 2: I think ben Ouai he is a beast. I think

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Speaker 2: he's huge. I don't even know how he makes one

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Speaker 2: fifty five. But the guy's danger mentality. I love that

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Speaker 2: But Dursty is a dog bro. I don't bet, but

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Speaker 2: if I weill bet, I don't bet against Dusty. No

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Speaker 1: John O'Malley, Morland vere Man.

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Speaker 2: Event I like both guys. You you just put me

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Speaker 2: he won that one back. Otherwise you're not called with

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Speaker 2: that one. And and I think if it Chito was

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Speaker 2: we don't know. And then I got shown O'Malley still

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Speaker 1: Last, but not least, just want to pick your brain

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Speaker 1: as somebody who's been in the fight game, to what

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Speaker 1: extent were you surprised by Tuporia's winterver Volkanowski?

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Speaker 2: No, really, not much. This guy came here to the Gene.

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Speaker 2: sometimes we do that at the end of PREXE, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're done class, he's over. Okay, but the last thing

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Speaker 2: and then we'll start jogging. And then Topouria was in

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Speaker 1: I thought so too, but I wanted to talk to

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Speaker 1: I went to Gilbert Burns. Gilbert, I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: see your fight man. UFC two ninety nine can't get

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Speaker 1: here soon enough. Of course, the date everyone knows is

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Speaker 1: going to be on pay per view, but it will

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Speaker 1: be March ninth, Saturday, March ninth, live from Miami, a

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Speaker 1: home game for you, Gilbert, Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you fight. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome to a thank you