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Speaker 2: Autopsy of the American Dream.

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Speaker 2: But this is a really important conversation. I want to

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Speaker 2: the author of Hood Feminism. Welcome to my guest, Mickey Kendall,

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Speaker 2: the author of Hood Feminism, a New York Times bestseller

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Speaker 2: But you, I mean, at least I don't know what

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Speaker 3: And we're done.

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Speaker 2: We're done trying to convince you of our worth.

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Speaker 2: We tried this, We're done, like we're protecting our peace

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Speaker 1: My intent was to reach everyone, but I also wanted

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what to tell you about that

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Speaker 1: voting block at this point, because we are in a

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Speaker 1: space politically where some people were going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave them behind. But I think for a lot, especially

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Speaker 1: of younger white women, they're looking around and they're kind

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Speaker 1: of going, hey, so listen, this isn't working. I'm going

443
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Speaker 1: to have to go over there with the black and

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Speaker 1: brown girls, because whatever you're doing has led us here,

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Speaker 1: and we all got to go over there. Right. The

446
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Speaker 1: understanding of what it's going to cost to cozy up

447
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Speaker 1: to white supremacy is definitely changing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like, I mean, did you feel

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Speaker 2: how did you feel after Kamala last were you also

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Speaker 2: just like what was that.

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Speaker 1: Like for you? I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest.

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Speaker 1: I knew people who were saying, you know, we can't

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Speaker 1: vote for her, and they had very good reasons, and

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Speaker 1: I was kind of standing there in my most I'm

455
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Speaker 1: from a state that sent seven governors to jail, so like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why people think politicians are supposed to

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Speaker 1: be friends. Going there's no other option on the table.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a good option. Now we have to

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Speaker 1: go with whatever is the least awful and hope that

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Speaker 1: is enough. We did not do that. There was a

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Speaker 1: saying those who do not here will feel Now you're

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Speaker 1: going to feel you did not learn now you feel right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to be here for the feeling.

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Speaker 1: I would prefer to be able to exit the stage

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Speaker 1: left from feeling. But unfortunately they're going to make me

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Speaker 1: watch this show from the front roun.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately I'm going to be on stage though. What are

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Speaker 3: you working on now?

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Speaker 2: Like, what is the life of a New York Times

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Speaker 2: bestselling author five years later. Let's get into the career

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Speaker 2: aspect of it. You're like, really really rich.

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Speaker 3: And you got a I really.

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Speaker 1: Wish I was really really rich. Instead, I paid for

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Speaker 1: a bunch of dead At least degrees are not cheap.

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Speaker 1: I put one kid through college during the course of

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Speaker 1: this five years, So you know.

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Speaker 3: You're incredible for that.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I paid for an art degree for a kid

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Speaker 1: that ended up going into tech.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, we'll see, there's time. Give it time.

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Speaker 2: It's a longevity thing. It's like an incremental investments in

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Speaker 2: a situation, long term investment. We'll see what happens in

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Speaker 2: give them fifteen twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, So the Life of New York Times

485
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Speaker 1: bestseller is working on my next book. We're not going

486
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Speaker 1: to talk about how bloody depressing it has been to

487
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Speaker 1: be right in this book, because it's an autopsy of

488
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Speaker 1: the American dream. Don't ask me why I decided to

489
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Speaker 1: do that book, but I could kind of see someone.

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Speaker 3: I was hoping it was going to be like a

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Speaker 3: romance novel.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I am also writing romance novels for fun.

493
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Speaker 1: I've gotten good, bizarrely obsessed with those Chinese mini dramas.

494
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Speaker 3: What's it called great?

495
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Speaker 1: Those Chinese mini dramas that are on every streaming app.

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Speaker 1: It feels like all over like they're showing up as

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Speaker 1: like little commercials on Facebook and.

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Speaker 2: On tittern dramas. Yes, yes, okay, I don't. I do

499
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Speaker 2: not know about this. I'm book marking fan Chinese dramas,

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Speaker 2: got it.

501
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Speaker 1: They're like vertical mini dramas, And so I started getting

502
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Speaker 1: kind of sucked into those and so as my like

503
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Speaker 1: comfort watch when like I'm stressed out by my book.

504
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Speaker 1: And so now I'm like, oh, I want to write

505
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Speaker 1: romance novels, and so I started working on a romance

506
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Speaker 1: novel as like a side fun thing. And then I

507
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Speaker 1: have also started to write a bunch of middle grade

508
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Speaker 1: like scripts. I want to do another non fiction graphic

509
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Speaker 1: about Jim Crow, and I want to do a fiction

510
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Speaker 1: graphic just because fun, because basically what I do when

511
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Speaker 1: I have been researching facts and I hate them is

512
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Speaker 1: I write something fun. It is like the most because

513
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Speaker 1: when the trad wife things started, I needed every opening

514
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Speaker 1: mechanism on the of them everyone, so that I did

515
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Speaker 1: not end up on the internet raving like a street preacher.

516
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Speaker 1: I did think about ending up on the Internet raving

517
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Speaker 1: like a street preacher about the tradwive thing. Though I did,

518
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Speaker 1: I contemplated it for a while.

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Speaker 2: I still might got to pick your battles, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Unfortunately, that trend is probably not.

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Speaker 3: Going to go anywhere.

522
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Speaker 2: But there's there's time, but there is when's it coming out?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea because I still don't have a

524
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Speaker 1: good end for this book. Unfortunately, everything that I was

525
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Speaker 1: hoping wasn't going to happen is currently happening. So stimistic

526
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: finale is still it's still struggling. I watched America vote

527
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Speaker 1: itself into not just the constitutional crisis everyone is talking about,

528
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Speaker 1: but into a human rights crisis. And we are the

529
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Speaker 1: arbitrary of so many right and fall of empire is

530
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Speaker 1: a thing, but we are headed in many ways towards

531
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Speaker 1: the stage for a civil war. I have this unfortunate

532
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: history degree, and I never should have gotten a history degree.

533
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Speaker 1: I know too many things. The historians are all in

534
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Speaker 1: a circle somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Picturing brand Brandon Stark from Game of Thrones, like you know,

536
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Speaker 2: underneath the whatever that tree was called.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's tired and quiet, staring down.

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Speaker 1: Yes, not that America with ever the good None of

539
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Speaker 1: the countries were the good guy though, Like I'm gonna

540
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Speaker 1: tell you bluntley that no government is the good government.

541
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Speaker 1: There's no such thing, right while humans are involved. The

542
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Speaker 1: clock rollback that is being aimed for it is not

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Speaker 1: to the nineteen fifties. It is to the eighteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: And the thing about the eighteen fifties is that people

545
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Speaker 1: tend to think of like the slavery and this is

546
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Speaker 1: a like Antebellum skirts sort of beautiful time. Right. Yeah.

547
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Speaker 1: The reason Gone with the Wind is Gone with the

548
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Speaker 1: Wind for all its flaws, is because the eighteen fifties

549
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Speaker 1: set the stage for and we keep cherry picking moments

550
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Speaker 1: in our current political landscape from the years right before

551
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Speaker 1: major war. I would like us not to do that,

552
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Speaker 1: because we want to be un Nothing is unprecedented about

553
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Speaker 1: the choices being made. There is a precedent, right we

554
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Speaker 1: have the tariff conversation. We've done that twice before. It

555
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Speaker 1: was bad both times. All of these things are precedented.

556
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Speaker 1: It's just that what they precedent is war. And America

557
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Speaker 1: has a unique situation that has never existed before in

558
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Speaker 1: human history. There are approximately two hundred million more guns

559
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Speaker 1: in America than there are people. No one should want

560
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Speaker 1: America's collapse to involve a civil war. I know people

561
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Speaker 1: may think that America collapsing would end well, But you

562
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Speaker 1: don't want anyone with their finger on the proverbial nuclear

563
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Speaker 1: football who thinks guns are fun. You don't. You don't

564
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Speaker 1: want anyone who is a big fan of genocide with

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Speaker 1: these two.

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Speaker 2: But then I'm like, well, the majority of Americans did

567
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Speaker 2: want him, did want that, So this is what we have.

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Speaker 1: I actually don't think it was the majority of Americans.

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Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, most Americans they could vote, did not vote.

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Speaker 1: I see, I looked at the numbers, and around seventy

571
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Speaker 1: ish million Americans just didn't go to the polls. And

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Speaker 1: that is a scary thought, right because we could see

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Speaker 1: the end of not just America, which is the sort

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Speaker 1: of a conversation, It could be the end of the

575
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Speaker 1: world as we know it, right Like the planet will

576
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Speaker 1: be fine, whether or not we survive these moments is

577
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Speaker 1: a different conversation. And the wei is not just America.

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Speaker 1: It is Canada, it is China, it is Russia, it

579
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Speaker 1: is Australia. Right Like, there was an idea that like, oh,

580
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Speaker 1: I will move out of the US and everything will

581
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Speaker 1: be fine. This is the largest military force in the

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Speaker 1: world in the hands of people who don't think other

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Speaker 1: people are human.

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Speaker 2: That's well and my therapy practice. Sometimes we just have

585
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Speaker 2: to go there, you know, just like paint the picture.

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? When you say civil war,

587
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Speaker 2: I think of Union versus Confederacy and the core issue

588
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: with slavery, But it was also the economy. It was

589
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Speaker 2: also economic power, you know, And how does that play

590
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Speaker 2: out today? Don't tell me it's about abortion. I'm so

591
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Speaker 2: sick of talking about abortion.

592
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Speaker 1: No, it is not about abortion. I wish. Okay, it

593
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: could be as simple as reproductive rights. It is about reproduction.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to tell you my like almost crazy

595
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: can spiracy theory, except it's not a crazy conspiracy theory.

596
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a hot take. This is a preview

597
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: via fan of this book. Yeah, do you have a

598
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Speaker 2: title for it yet?

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Speaker 1: It is Autopsy of the American Dream? That's the current title.

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Speaker 2: Well, just in and of itself. It's like, well, that's dead,

601
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: but we knew that already. Okay, go ahead, right.

602
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Speaker 1: Part of my when I'm position I'm positing is that

603
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Speaker 1: if the American dream ever existed, Jim Crow straight strangled

604
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Speaker 1: it in its crip. Jim Crow is where America makes

605
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: a series of decisions that doom the American Dream. We

606
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Speaker 1: are staring down the barrel of a population crisis that

607
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Speaker 1: we don't think is a population crisis yet. Right we

608
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Speaker 1: keep seeing reports like the South Korean birth rate is declining,

609
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: that Japan's birth rate is declining. Birth rates are declining

610
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Speaker 1: all over the planet. Nobody is having replacement level kids

611
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Speaker 1: for the most part. And I know people will say, well,

612
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: third world countries, and they actually also are not really

613
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: having replacement level offspring. And the reason they're not is

614
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: because things cost too much. It is very difficult right

615
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: now to support a big family and actually send those

616
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Speaker 1: kids to education or anything else.

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Speaker 2: Right, a third child is the du Berken bag for me, Like, yes,

618
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Speaker 2: you think I'm rich, like a third child, rise, Now

619
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Speaker 2: I got two and I'm hanging on by a thread.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is the thing. Two kids is

621
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Speaker 1: still technically a lot a lot more people are having one.

622
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Speaker 1: Well one is below replacement.

623
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Speaker 2: Well you got a space amount, so they're not both

624
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: in daycare at the same time, because that's when you

625
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: screw yourself. That's when you have two mortgage payments plus

626
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 2: whatever housing costs you have.

627
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you have people who are deciding either

628
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Speaker 1: not to have children, which is fine. I'm not saying

629
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Speaker 1: have kids if you don't want kids. But if we

630
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: don't have children, and we don't have the cability to

631
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Speaker 1: take care of the children we do have as we age,

632
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Speaker 1: we are going to run into a situation that is

633
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Speaker 1: already happening in other countries. Agration has been saving America

634
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Speaker 1: from realizing this. Right, well, now we're detarding to deport

635
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: all of these people, and really we're human trafficking them

636
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: because shipping them to a Salvador is not the same

637
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: as deportation. Just so we're clear, But as we're doing this,

638
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: it's not just oh, who's going to mow the lawn

639
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: or whatever other reason this thing you say about immigrants

640
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: from the Global South. It is who will be the doctors,

641
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: who will be the nurses, who will be the teachers,

642
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: who will be the caregivers for the babies, and the

643
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: who will pick the food is only one in the

644
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: list of things that is possible currently. Because America was

645
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: a desirable place to move to. Now what will we

646
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: do if we close our doors quote unquote protect our

647
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: borders and there's nobody inside here to do those jobs, right,

648
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: because the idea that people will start doing those jobs.

649
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: Immigrants are not stealing the job you were never interested

650
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: in nor qualified for. They just aren't Nebraskas looking at

651
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: declaring bankruptcy and not having people to get crops out

652
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: of the fields. And we've learned this lesson, except we

653
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: haven't learned this lesson. But when you pack a bunch

654
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Speaker 1: of people into an inclosed space and you deprive them

655
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Speaker 1: of rights, food, et cetera, they tend to react by

656
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Speaker 1: fighting back. In other situations, you know they took the

657
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: guns or the guns can only fire six billets. The

658
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: guns now are what you would have in the hands

659
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: of an army. We're all able to access the pocket

660
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: equivalent of a gatling gun these days, one hundred round bursts. Yeah,

661
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: you can get that, and it's technically street legal. It's

662
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: not really street legal. But we're a country that will

663
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: let you buy a retired tank. I don't want. What

664
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: do you hear?

665
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: What's the picture you're painting? Is that civil war? And

666
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: we're just like we're fighting over what we're killing each

667
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: other for what.

668
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: Really, we're going to.

669
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Be killing each other over basics. We're going to be

670
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: killing each.

671
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: Other food necessities, water, right, because this is the other

672
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: part of this.

673
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Some of us live in states that have wonderful land

674
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: for growing things. We have plenty of access to water,

675
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: all of that, right. Others live in states that have

676
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: none of those things and don't realize how much they

677
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: depend on the states that they currently hate to provide

678
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: them with those things. You are dependent on road systems

679
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: that are paid for by federal dollars. You are dependent

680
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: on medication developed in places with lots of universities, right,

681
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: the any intellectual bias against vaccines and science and whatever.

682
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: You need those people to make the things they make,

683
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: and you need to produce food for them so that

684
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: everybody continues to live. And we've lost that idea of

685
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: collective culture in many ways, and not just in America.

686
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: This is an ongoing global problem. And if we cannot

687
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: imagine a future for everyone, we don't have a future

688
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: for anyone. Do I think that this will be a

689
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: logical like progress to a civil war where it's inevitable. No,

690
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: I think there are many places we could avoid this

691
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: and we could avert this future. But I think America,

692
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: and not again, not just America. The folks who are

693
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: fans of fascism do not think of a future. Eugenics

694
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: does not allow for any concept of a future. It

695
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: says it does. But realistically, fascism and eugenics and all

696
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: the other bigotries and yes, capitalism, but it's not the

697
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: only economic structure where fascism can happen. It all kind

698
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: of goes hand in hand. Right, bigotry will be the

699
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: catalyst in much the way slavery was the catalyst, but

700
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: it was also about finances. This will be about finances

701
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: and resources, but it will also be about hate. You

702
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: can't win a war based on identity. That really is

703
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: as amor l really as this would become. Right, I'm

704
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: watching people like rotate through who they hate, right, and

705
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: trans people for some reason became center stage for a while, right,

706
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: and then it was immigrants, and it's disabled people, and

707
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: it's old people. And at some point in that list,

708
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: everyone is on the table, everyone is on the chopping.

709
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: If you don't want anyone to have rights, but you

710
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: how does that work out? Because I hate to break

711
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: it to people, AI and computers cannot stop this, nor

712
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: can it save us.

713
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: After its Yeah, well they're definitely not in the fields.

714
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Chat Gypt is not picking crops. I mean, I think

715
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: that makes sense to me. I mean, you're ending up

716
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: in a we're in a country where we're desperate for

717
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: limited resources and the haves and the have nots, and yeah,

718
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: the states that are capable of denying access to their

719
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: resources to other parts of the country, and how you

720
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: can use that for leverage, and all of a sudden,

721
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: it's not that we're it's not like US versus China.

722
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: It's like California versus Kansas or whatever it may be.

723
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: And you know, oh you want our resources, well we're

724
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: going to charge you even more. And it's yeah, okay,

725
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: I can see it now.

726
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: I wish you luck with that book. It sounds real,

727
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: real depressing, but you did. I did hear. I'm like

728
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: always looking for like little nuggets.

729
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: So like we're giving us a preview, Like what do

730
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: you Our audience's eighty percent women of color, I mean sorry,

731
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: eighty percent black women, twenty percent Hispanic women, a latinas

732
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: And I want to know from you, like what are

733
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: you telling your kids? What are you telling like ba

734
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 2: fan as far as like what part we can play

735
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: and potentially avoiding it or at least protecting ourselves short

736
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: of going to raise my own crops, which I kill

737
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: tomatoes every year.

738
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 3: So that's my green thumb for you.

739
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: I have no green thumb at all. No, I was

740
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: gonna say so. One of the things I'm telling people,

741
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: aside from prepper things right like you should always have

742
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: some emergency food blah blah blah, is that community is

743
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: the only way out right. Every story of survival through

744
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: hard times in anyone's history, but especially in American history,

745
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: has really been about community. If you and your neighbor

746
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: you've got carrots, your neighbors get potatoes, This neighbor's got rice, whatever, whatever,

747
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: somebody's got chickens. It's the stone soup analogy. Right. If

748
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: you're all putting things in the pot. At the end

749
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: of the day, everyone eats. The only way out of

750
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: this is to stop thinking about my individual desire and

751
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: start thinking about what benefits us collectively. And collectivism gets

752
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: a lot of hits. There are good reasons to be like, well,

753
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to make my decisions based around everyone

754
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: else's needs. But there's a baseline of food and medical

755
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: care and education and all of this that should be achievable,

756
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: especially as like climate change is coming. Right, climate change

757
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: is here, really, but climate change is coming. We're all

758
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: going to need each other, So don't listen to people

759
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: who tell you you can buy your way out of

760
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: climate change. Right, all of the billion class is kind

761
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: of saying, well, if you come with me, you'll make money,

762
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: And then they buy their bunkers in the middle of

763
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: nowhere and think they'll fill them with mercenaries and whoever

764
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: their favorite people are. That's not actually a plan. That

765
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: is a bad sci fi novel. The actual plan is

766
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: to prepare for a future in which things will require

767
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: you to work together and which, yes, you'll have to

768
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: make do with less, but you'll be able to make do.

769
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: If your plan is let's make sure everyone has enough

770
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: so no one is fighting over basic needs, we might

771
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: be able to solve problems if we had less energy

772
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: spent on fighting over things that honestly mostly don't matter.

773
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't really care who you're sleeping with as long

774
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: as they're an adult and they're they're willing right, that's

775
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: none of my business. I don't really care whether or not.

776
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: You like seeing people with different bodies than yours, and

777
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: you should get some business right. Everybody's meat suit is different.

778
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: Mind your meat suit, and things would get better immediately.

779
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: You know.

780
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: I've recorded to a couple episodes this week, and the

781
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: underlying thread of what I'm hearing is this emphasis on community.

782
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: What do you do I live in a suburban neighborhood.

783
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: I know my neighbors on my block. We do take

784
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: care of each other. You know someone's got extra oranges,

785
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: You'll get a text to the mom group like who

786
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: needs oranges, and we'll you know, do that kind of

787
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 2: thing that's taken a lot of time effort. It's also

788
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: a privilege to live in a space where you know,

789
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: I'm able to talk to my neighbors and have that

790
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: freedom and space. And there's also this like housing crisis

791
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: happening at the same time, this like dearth of available housing,

792
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: affordable housing. It just feels like a really difficult time

793
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: to start building community. But what is it that's giving

794
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: you hope? And like, what do you want us to

795
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 2: know about how we can in small ways build community

796
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: and how that could potentially like protect us down the

797
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: line if things get worse or when things get worse.

798
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: So one of the things that is really great, and

799
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm watching it happen on the internet. And like the

800
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: internet is a terrible place be in, it is also

801
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: a beautiful place. So I'm watching people figure out online

802
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: how to do things, how to build community with each other.

803
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Where there was a girl who posted on TikTok and

804
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: her dad has died and something was wrong with her refrigerator,

805
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: and so she's like, I don't know what to do.

806
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: My dad is why I call for this stuff? What

807
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: do I do now? And dads from all over were like, oh,

808
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: here's how you fix that. How they're letting me help.

809
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: Let me be your dad for a day. Right, Building

810
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: community can be as simple as offering to help someone

811
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: with the skills that you have. You do not have

812
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: to build a perfect community on the first day. You

813
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: do not have to look at well those people have

814
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: like a great network for babysitting in this and that

815
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: and the other. The village takes time to build. I

816
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: think people should be looking at ways to build the village.

817
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: One of those ways is I don't know if you've

818
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: seen those initiatives that get more tiny house structures or

819
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: converting motel rooms, motels into apartments.

820
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: If we are old office buildings, Yes, if we wanted

821
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 4: to house everyone in America and in homelessness, we could

822
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: do that in matter of like a year and a half,

823
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: a couple of years, and it would start with converting

824
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: office parts, converting old malls, converting all of those things.

825
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: We can push for our local governments to become more

826
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: welcoming to folks, to open more shelter beds, sure, but

827
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: also more affordable housing initiatives, because when you do that,

828
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: when you say, let's convert this empty, abandoned building that's

829
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: still got a good shell, good framework, into housing, you

830
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: immediately reduce your risk of crime, You reduce scarcity all

831
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: of these things. If you're in an area where you

832
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: know you've got farmers, let's say, as an example, and

833
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: money is funny, you and your neighbors can go in

834
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: to buy half a cow, quarter of a pig, all

835
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: of these things until everybody's freezer. Well, what about getting

836
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: everybody freezers? You could also start a charity to make

837
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: sure not only that your neighbors are housed, but they

838
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: have a safe way to store food that they can

839
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: get help with everything from utility bills to setting up

840
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: solar panels to reduce their utilities bills as examples. Right,

841
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: you can start small in your community, ask who is interested,

842
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: ask what people want to do, and work on that

843
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: first task. Right then you move on to something else.

844
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this is a perfect solution,

845
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: but perfect is the enemy of progress. Small steps lead

846
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: to big change.

847
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: And the emphasis on local community. I mean, I'm thinking

848
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 2: about my neighborhood and how we have this like unofficial

849
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: homeowners association and I listen, I give the president of this.

850
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if title is is made up. We

851
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 2: don't pay any HAA fees. It's not like a real

852
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: official organized lation club, a black club. Black club or

853
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: black club. It's both block really yeah, both really. I

854
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: live in a majority well I don't know these days,

855
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: but it's definitely being gentrified, but a majority black, like

856
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: very much like a lot of black families moved here

857
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: in the nineteen forties and fifties and built these little homes.

858
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: And anyway that the people who run the homeowners association,

859
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: it can feel very like not militaristic, but like almost

860
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: like a sorority esque. You kind of have to know

861
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 2: the right people, and it's very challenging the different points

862
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: of view, the different ways of communicating, Like there's some friction.

863
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: And so in a way, I've like micro created my

864
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: little micro community on my block but tried to stay

865
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: clear of that bigger association. And I'm challenging my own

866
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: like feelings there because I'm like, even though it's hard,

867
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: that conflict happens when.

868
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: You do you're in community with other people.

869
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: It's necessary to a certain extent to push through that

870
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: conflict to get to what could potentially be helpful for

871
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 2: the whole greater community. I just wonder, in my own way,

872
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: like am I being a little too individualistic just like

873
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: narrowing it down to my small block, and something that

874
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: maybe I could work on is like reaching across more

875
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: and trying to engage with that greater group even if

876
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't love the way they talk all the time

877
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: or what they focus on.

878
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: I mean, one of yeah, one of the things could

879
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: be as simple as you know, you don't have a

880
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: green thumb. Let's say, I don't know if you have

881
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: the yard space for it. But like I have a

882
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: friend doing this right now. She's got I think three

883
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: or four chickens and she cannot grow anything, but apparently

884
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: she can get the chickens to lay eggs. So now

885
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: on like they're a little couple three block radius. They've

886
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: got like a little barter grocery store system set up

887
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: right where she trades eggs for produce. And I'm a

888
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: little confused on the math and the metrics because it

889
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: feels like she's getting a real good end of the deal,

890
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: but also eggs, right, eggs or eggs, And she's like,

891
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: these these chickens lay like a dozen eggs a day.

892
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I would never eat a dozen eggs a day. So

893
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: people are just dropping, like, especially now the garden season

894
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: is about to be upon us. People will just like

895
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: drop a bag of tomatoes, drop some berries, whatever, and

896
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: they'll take like six eggs away because she's like a

897
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: little set up, a little framework where she puts the

898
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: eggs like an on our system, and people come up,

899
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: they get eggs, they leave produce, and if you don't

900
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: have produce that day, she doesn't care because she's gonna

901
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: have more eggs.

902
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: M I mean, I don't want chickens.

903
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: I got kids. I got a dog who is already neglected.

904
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: But that's such a good example. I do have a

905
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: neighbor who has a garden and like her elder neighbor,

906
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 2: this man I forget, I forget his name, I haven't

907
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: met him, gives her coaches her on her gardening and

908
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: has helped her grow corn and eggplants and things that

909
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: she was like intimidated to grow and he's helped her.

910
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: And that to me is we collectively in our neighborhood.

911
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: No one has like massive yards, but we have enough.

912
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: Like if we just combined, like if we said, okay,

913
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: this house will grow the tomatoes, this house will grow

914
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: the onions, whatever, like, collectively, we could create this really

915
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: great hyper local food source.

916
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: You know.

917
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could be the person that helps with weeding

918
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: or whatever.

919
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: Right, I'm really good at raising caterpillars. I love me

920
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: some caterpillars. I love compost.

921
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: I have. I have a composter. My husband hates it.

922
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like, he's like, what is on the countertop.

923
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's my compost and it's beautiful and I'm

924
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: going to take it upstairs to the compost or eventually

925
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: just deal with it. Yeah.

926
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: No, So so you're the person that would then make

927
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: sure the gardens arefer lives with good compost every year.

928
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: That is a job that is community, that is contributing.

929
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: Well, that to me is helpful. I mean I keep

930
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: imagining that. You know, when Beyonce brought out lemonade and

931
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: shood that video with all the black women like where

932
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 2: they're in New Orleans or somewhere.

933
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they were on the porch like doing hair

934
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: and all that.

935
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like as Black women, there

936
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: is this ability to connect and support one another that

937
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: I feel like we could potentially be the best positioned

938
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: to thrive in a situation where it's like very community

939
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: focused and my being a little too no Pollyanna about that,

940
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: but what.

941
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: Do you think I think Black, Indigenous and Latino women

942
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: are like in position to like if we can communicate

943
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: with each other. Listen, and it's a running joke right,

944
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: like we have a cookout, they have the kind of

945
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: sada we could We could make this work right where

946
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna bring the side dishes and they're

947
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: gonna bring the meat or whatever. Somebody's gonna have some music,

948
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a good time. I want us to

949
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: make that like an ongoing thing right where I'm bringing

950
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: the best of what I have to you and your

951
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: community and your community is bring the best of what

952
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: you have to be in my community. And we're working together.

953
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's super accessible, right because one

954
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: of the weird things about white supremacy and like conversations

955
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: about segregation is that people tend to say, like about Chicago,

956
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: Chicago is so segregated. Chicago's not really segregated. Parts of

957
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: Chicago are segregated, and transplants tend to move to the

958
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: parts of the city that are the most segregated. Right

959
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: the rest of us on the parts that tell you

960
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: are scary, on the South and West side, We're are

961
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: on each other all the time. We are cooking for

962
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: each other, we are working together, we are in community

963
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: in ways that are not super visible. And I feel

964
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: like that is a thing that could happen across a

965
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: lot of ethnic lines, even quite honestly, not always people,

966
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: but what I call spicy white aka Eastern Europeans, they

967
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: people listen because I think perogis and a low tase

968
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: and barbecue chicken go together on the same plate, right.

969
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: Like this is this is my friend delicious.

970
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: But I am sometimes surprised what I call the slightly

971
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: better class of white people who have been victims of

972
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: white supremacy, so they're not confused by what it really

973
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: means when these words are said. I get out of

974
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: that bubble and I'm like, oh wait, you're still buying

975
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: into this. You're still cozying up to this, right, And

976
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: it's not like it's all but the percentage that fall

977
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: for it. I do sometimes kind of go, you've got

978
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: to save you. We can't make you see this, but

979
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: you've got to save you because sooner or later that

980
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: turns on you. So I think we could do it.

981
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: I think black and brown people could absolutely pull this off.

982
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: I just think we're going to have to learn real

983
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: hard on the fly, a lot of things real quick

984
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: if we don't start now.

985
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: I mean, is that not like that could be the

986
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: ending of the book. Not to give you ideas, you're

987
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: Mickey Kendall, but so.

988
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: Actually that might be it. That might be that might

989
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: be actually right, it could be the end of the It's.

990
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: It's where there's got to be this utopia. There's there's

991
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: got to be examples of communities that are already doing this.

992
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the Black South. I'm thinking about where

993
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: my dad grew up in Carrollton, Georgia. You know, my

994
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: great great grandfather was this apparently brilliant businessman who had

995
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: a farm. And I'm just saying like, there's got to

996
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: be little pockets of like like if you could put

997
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: a lens on these communities and give examples of like, well,

998
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: in this community, in that community, so and so did this,

999
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: and give some examples. And I'm getting excited thinking about

1000
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here right now being like, why the hell

1001
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: am I trying to grow every herb in my garden?

1002
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 3: Every every every crop.

1003
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: I could just tell Latanya, you got tomatoes, Brianna, you

1004
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: get the rosemary, the herb situation, I'm gonna have the

1005
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: caterpillars in the compost like yeah, duh.

1006
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: And and if you can manage to get marigolds going,

1007
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: it'll help keep help with the composts and the and maygolds.

1008
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: And I think there's a couple other plants that will

1009
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: keep the pests away from their gardens. So your stuff is.

1010
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: Right and you can plant certain things together like little

1011
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: home like yeah, I've I watched The Smallest Farm or

1012
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: whatever that documentary was about, like all these old school

1013
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: methods that can yeah, for farming and agriculture that we

1014
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: can all take advantage of.

1015
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: Very smart.

1016
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: I think in this conversation, I feel ten times better

1017
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: because I feel like I have something that I can

1018
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: do on my own that could help the people that

1019
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: I love and the community that I love, and if

1020
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: we could be this little utopia.

1021
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: You got to read Sky.

1022
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: Full of Elephants and tell me what you think about it.

1023
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: And when I told you my background, right, I'm a

1024
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: mixed I'm a biracial batty.

1025
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 3: My mom is white from.

1026
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: Wisconsin, my dad is black from the South. And when

1027
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: you read Sky Full of Elephants, just think about me,

1028
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: because I was hanging on for dear life while I

1029
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: read that book. You know the premise, right.

1030
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: I actually don't. I just someone's book. Oh you should

1031
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: read this book. And you're like the third person, so

1032
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I should definitely actually read this book.

1033
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: Oh I would love you to read it. We're going

1034
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: to do it for Brown Ambition Book Club when I

1035
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: start that. So it's the premise is that one day

1036
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: in America, modern day America, every white person in America

1037
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: goes and finds the nearest body of.

1038
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: Water and drowns themselves.

1039
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: Oh wow, resulting in a new America where white people

1040
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: are no longer in existence. Now there's not a lot

1041
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: of answers as to like, so how much white do

1042
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: you have to have and how much black is enough

1043
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: to survive? But there's a biracial girl who has a

1044
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: white mother and a white and a black father. She's

1045
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: from Wisconsin. Her her white mother raised her there with

1046
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: her siblings, and she feels very much like she's meant

1047
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: to be white.

1048
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: Anyway.

1049
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: She survives, her whole family's dead, and so she has

1050
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: to go reconnect with her black father for survival. I

1051
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: started to read it when I was visiting my mom

1052
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, and I was like, Mom, I'm reading.

1053
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 3: This new book.

1054
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: And as I started because we always talk about books,

1055
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: and when as I started telling her, I was like,

1056
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: it's about all the white people dying, and she was

1057
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: it was so uncomfortable. I was like, but I didn't

1058
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: write it. But like she's like, but you're reading it.

1059
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, but it's like an allegory thing.

1060
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, just never mind, mom, mine, Let's

1061
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: go watch the pit. Let's you know, let's watch TV.

1062
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: It's fine.

1063
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: We want to talk about it, but it's very uncomfortable.

1064
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: It brought up a lot of stuff. So I'm just

1065
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, while you work on your stuff. Yeah,

1066
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: all right, Well I want to end. I want to

1067
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: wrap up a little bit with some like rapid fire questions.

1068
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: So we are brown ambition. You are a full time author.

1069
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: I know that you're also thinking about going back to school, Like,

1070
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: what's the career path right now for you?

1071
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: I am thinking about getting my PhD. It's been like

1072
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: a waffully kind of thing. When my kids were younger,

1073
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: I did a master's degree while raising two kids and

1074
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: working full time. Don't recommend, and I thought about getting

1075
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: a PhD. But then I found about the stress level

1076
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: of it at the time and thought, no one deserves

1077
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: that version of me. I don't deserve that version of me.

1078
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: Now I am thinking that I do want it right.

1079
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: This is not in need, this is a want. But

1080
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: also it's a perfect excuse for my mid life crisis

1081
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: because like every other black girl, when we have free

1082
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: time on our hand, we decide to go get a degree.

1083
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: I am one of those. But it seems it's a

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Speaker 1: good time. It seems like a good time to be like,

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Speaker 1: you know, what. I'm going to move out of the

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00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: US for a while and get this degree that I'm

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00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: going to get anyway, and watch this from over here

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00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: and maybe come back and forth. But also maybe by

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00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: the time I'm sixty, I'll be doctor Kendall. Just to

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Speaker 1: be doctor Kendall, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wish it didn't come with so

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00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: much debt. But education should never be something that we

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00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: mock people for wanting.

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00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: But oh no, I'm looking for fully funded programs only.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, let me clarify.

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00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm okay, okay, okay, sweet wish you should be able

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00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: to get Mickey Kendall New York Times.

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Speaker 3: Bestseller pushed with this book. Okay, so let's talk about

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Speaker 3: really quickly.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a go to productivity hack that helps you?

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00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, My go to productivity hack is to stop

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00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: trying to do the thing that I am avoiding and

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00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: go take a walk, and then by the time I

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Speaker 1: come back from the walk, I'm ready to do the

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00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: thing I was avoiding.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you could have any job in the world,

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00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: what would it be.

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00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I would at this point, I would actually rule the world.

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00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: But usually I say that I would love to be

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Speaker 1: one of those panda handlers.

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Speaker 3: Ah yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if those people have any job stressed,

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00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: but the pandas look like they're so fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: I feel like i'd be okay with.

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Speaker 3: It, and so squishies.

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Speaker 2: It looks kids are kind of like baby pandas, but

1117
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: they grow too fast.

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Speaker 3: It's very annoying. It's a very limited window and.

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Speaker 1: They start talking. The pandas just kind of chill and

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Speaker 1: like fake people sit in chairs.

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Speaker 2: It's great, all right, I get I'm not going to

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00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: go down that ADHD path that panda panda core. All right,

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Speaker 2: what is the last thing that you read that you

1124
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: were like, ugh, I need to talk to someone about this.

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Speaker 1: Ironically, it is a manga solo LEVELENGTH, which is also

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00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: an anime now and I have been talking about it

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00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: endlessly because the basic premise is that someone, our lovely

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Speaker 1: hero has no strength. At the beginning, he goes through

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Speaker 1: a lot, he really dies, and then he comes back

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Speaker 1: and he spends all this time building up so he

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Speaker 1: can save other people in a way that he wasn't saved,

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Speaker 1: and like, yes, it is an anime with lots of

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00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: fighting and you know, monsters and whatever. But the core

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00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: hero's journey part of it fascinates me because it is

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00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: not a typical hero's journey. He starts off in a group,

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Speaker 1: and then because he wants to protect the group and

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00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: more broadly, everyone else, he seeks to take all of

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Speaker 1: the weight on himself on purpose, and I am fascinated

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00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: by the way this is structured.

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Speaker 2: Well, given that you just said you wanted to rule

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00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: the world, I think I can see why that's an

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00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: interesting I'm also like Harry Potter, is it kind of

1143
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: like sounds like anime Harry Potter, but maybe a little

1144
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: bit different. Okay, if you could living or dead have

1145
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: dinner with anyone, who would it be.

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00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with it dead only because this person

1147
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: ceased to be before I was ever born. Doronielhurston, Oh

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00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: what can I feel like we have? Sure? I feel

1149
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: like we'd have such an interesting conversation. Or Hurst would

1150
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: probably be like, please get this person off of me

1151
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: after a while, because I would also have to like

1152
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: do like a circular fangirl moment. That would be ridiculous

1153
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: to see. If I were gonna go with living, it

1154
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: would be LeVar Burton, except I would just scream the

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Speaker 1: entire time.

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00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: LeVar Burton, then yes, reading Rainbow.

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00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.

1158
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: I would just yell the whole time.

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00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: What that might be a lot for him. I just

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00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: feel like he's just like but no, I mean certain that.

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00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: Man is very chill. I he is a fundamental core

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00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: part of my identity, and therefore I never need to

1163
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: meet him in person because I would just make stupid noises.

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00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: But also I would love to talk to him.

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00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen.

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00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: Also, if I ever get him on the show, I'll

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00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: have you back on. I'll be like, it'll be the

1168
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: Mickey and LeVar Burton episode.

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00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: It'll be fine.

1170
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: I like to abuse my position of my having a

1171
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: platform to just get people that I love and want

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00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 2: to talk to just on the show.

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Speaker 3: It's great trap. Jeff.

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00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, if there's something I know you said

1175
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: you have adult children, there's got to be one piece

1176
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 2: of advice that you keep banging a drum over with them.

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00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 2: What would that be? Can you tell us be a fam.

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00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: It is this. It is your life to lead. You

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00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: should be making the choices that will let you be

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00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: able to look at yourself in the mirror every day.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, that's a very good one. That's helpful, Okay,

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00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: all right? And then lastly, what's the last thing that

1183
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: you splurged on?

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00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: My last splurge of sorts was actually dinner in a

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00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: place in Chicago called Virtue. They have this this corn

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00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: bread Me and this corn bread of a ridiculous relationship.

1187
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: This honeymore sweet bread.

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00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: Yes, does I have little corn kernels in it for

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00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: some bite?

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00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it probably does, But I don't think

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00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: they're like big corn kernels. I think it's like the

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00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: smashed corn kernel kind of vibe. And then it's got

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00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: like a honey butter topping. And I know it's supposed

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00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: to be like a side dish. I could eat just

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Speaker 1: the thing of corn of corn bread and whatever about

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00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: the food. The food's great there. The food is delicious.

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00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: The cocktails are delicious. Me and that corn bread we

1198
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: went through a phase together that was the most recent,

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Speaker 1: k like taking nap after right, Like I was like,

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Speaker 1: I need this corn bread, just this corn bread and

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00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: a drink. Thank you.

1202
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: Oh that's such a home for me. Corn Bright is

1203
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: like home. Mickey Kendall, thank you so much for coming

1204
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: on Brown Ambition and sharing all of your insights in

1205
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: your wisdom. I think there were parts of this conversation

1206
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: that I'm going to be thinking about for days, weeks,

1207
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: probably months after, And I think that's just why you

1208
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 2: are so brilliant and I'm so glad that you're in.

1209
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: The world of writing.

1210
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: We need your work, especially at a time like this,

1211
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: and you know what, I'm going to be selfish. One

1212
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: piece of advice for a first time author, because I

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: have a book coming out twenty twenty six.

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00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: My big piece of advice for a first him author

1215
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: is to reach out to literally everyone in your network

1216
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: right now. Start now. And also, don't be afraid to

1217
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: ask for blurbs from everyone. One of the things that

1218
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: happened with feminism, Gabrielle Union blurred my book because I

1219
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: sent Gabrielle Union a DM asking Gabrie Unit to blur

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Speaker 1: my book.

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Speaker 2: Though she's amazing, I just feel like she's fast. She's

1222
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: the fast, Okay, so blurbs still matter.

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00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: I feel like blurbs still matter. That that Kily that

1224
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of people paying attention to the book

1225
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: that might not have otherwise.

1226
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: And also just time it perfectly right.

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00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: Just get that care I'm assuming, Yeah, could I have

1228
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: the crystal ball. Just could I just see your crystal

1229
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: ball for a minute, just so I can like time it? Okay, Well,

1230
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: thank you so much. And where where can people find you?

1231
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: Where do you want to point foots tape?

1232
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right now, I've been hanging on Blue Sky a lot.

1233
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: It's still Carnethia. I have not really been on Twitter,

1234
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: and I'm on TikTok occasionally, but really, actually, just just

1235
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: find me on Blue Sky because that's that's where I'm

1236
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: doing my most genanigans right now.

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: That's why I don't hear from you, because I'm not

1238
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: on Blue Sky. I gotta get on Blue Sky. I'm

1239
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: on threads.

1240
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: Everybody should be on blue skuy at this point. You

1241
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: know what, I have a thread to count and I

1242
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: forget about threads.

1243
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: See that's the thing.

1244
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: I think I've like imprinted on threads. It's my new Twitter.

1245
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: But at Blue Sky, I know I'm late to the game.

1246
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: I gotta get on Blue Sky. But we'll put your

1247
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: info in the show notes. Also your website, get on

1248
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: her newsletter if you have a newsletter, so you know

1249
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: when the.

1250
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: Dead book and so I have a newsletter. And honestly,

1251
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: if you want to find me, just put Carnethia ka

1252
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: y t Hia into your browser. You'll find me somewhere.

1253
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm always out here on the internet streets doing things

1254
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: I have no business doing, but enjoying them anyway.

1255
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: I love it all right, Nicky, thank you so much

1256
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: for coming on Brown Ambition BA fan. Don't forget to

1257
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: like and subscribe to the show. Leave us at a

1258
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: review and just go buy whatever Mickey selling, whatever she

1259
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: comes out with, let me know. And if you're building

1260
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: community and your own ways, I want to hear from y'all.

1261
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: Hit me up Brandambition Podcast at gmail dot com or

1262
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: you can slide into my dms on ig. We are

1263
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: at Brand Ambition Podcast and I can't wait to hear

1264
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: and see some stories of building community. And I'm gonna

1265
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: talk to my neighbors about this like community garden that

1266
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: I have in my hud. Now, thank you, yeah, thanks,

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00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: thank you,