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Speaker 1: You spoke to Lakers manager, it's going to be like

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Speaker 2: Welcome into what's Vernon. I got Matt, I got Buggie.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 4: I'm at an undisclosed bunker location. Don't want to reveal

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Speaker 4: too much here. I was at the Sports and He's

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Speaker 4: last night presenting on behalf of Showtime.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. It was fun to

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Speaker 4: A bunch of awards the network was nominated for, so

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Speaker 4: congratulations to all of us.

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Speaker 2: Really very nice. We got to talk about the Western

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Speaker 4: I want to get right into it because it was

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Speaker 4: just so crazy how things ended a sweep which no

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Speaker 4: of Boston all those years ago, where he's just going

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Speaker 4: to insert his will. Thirty one points in the first half,

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Speaker 4: Couldn't do with Lebron obviously, just looking gas Nicola Jokic

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Speaker 4: just a dominant performance again a record eighth triple level

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Speaker 4: of these playoffs. And the real kicker, though, was afterward

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Speaker 4: Lebron James saying, quote, he has a lot to think

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Speaker 4: what is your reaction to all of that. Is it

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Speaker 1: I think it could be a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Boogie and I can speak

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Speaker 1: I highly doubt that we've seen the last of Lebron

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Speaker 1: James this season. You know, although he said in this

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Speaker 1: PREPSCOTF he doesn't play to make the conference Finals. He's

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Speaker 1: been to plenty of those. He plays to win championships,

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Speaker 1: and we totally get that in respect that, but when

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Denver was just a better

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Speaker 1: Ads numbers in these Western Finals were amazing. They just

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Speaker 1: he got right to forty and they lost by two.

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Speaker 1: And you saw it down the stretch range. You know,

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Speaker 1: Lebron is always kind of conscious. He's writing his ending now,

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Speaker 1: as have most the greats have done. And you know,

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Speaker 1: But to answer your original question, I don't see this

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Speaker 3: I agree with that. I don't see this being the end.

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Speaker 3: You know, he has those of you know, having an

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Speaker 3: So those are real things that I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: This might be the first year with Lebron really feels

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Speaker 3: is near. But to say last night was the last game,

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Speaker 3: I just don't see that at the end the case.

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Speaker 3: but this is definitely the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 2: This is just my opinion. It's not based on any conversation.

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Speaker 2: I still have to say he's got a ninety nine

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Speaker 4: I mean, come on, he's wanted to play with Bronnie

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Speaker 4: I have stood next to guys after they finished playoff runs,

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Speaker 4: You know, he was playing on a bad foot there.

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Speaker 4: There's been talk about off season surgery. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be surgery. But I just

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Speaker 1: from this guy I met on Instagram was really dope

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Speaker 1: of puts some things in perspective of what he's doing

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because, like DeMarcus says, this

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Speaker 1: he's ruining that. Because I feel like Lebron can do

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Speaker 1: Is not at all. Lebron has cemented that he can

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Speaker 4: Well, Matt, don't you think that It's a little bit

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Speaker 4: but that had a lot to do with how the

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Speaker 3: Maybe, I think so. Absolutely, I think actually, I think

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Speaker 3: that's the best plan, or that should be the Lakers

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Speaker 3: find in the first option. I mean, you have guys

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Speaker 3: So I believe it's it's options to keep this thing afloat. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: that is the case. But it's still a lot of

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Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds bad, but that's not I don't

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Speaker 1: So well, I think I think boogie. I mean, to

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Speaker 1: To cut you off a do you also hear Trey

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Speaker 1: Be showing up to say, Hey, I want to be here.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean this feels like, you know,

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Speaker 4: if she'll come out, Like I'm Trey Young, Kyrie, They're

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Speaker 1: See. I wouldn't be warning Rachel. I wouldn't be warning

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Speaker 4: So I don't know if that becomes Darrenham and this analogy.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Nuggets as well. We're

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Speaker 5: But we got to just give them props Denver, the

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Speaker 2: They had to show you. What did they show you?

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Speaker 1: So they're the best team in basketball, and I think

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Speaker 1: put Jamal Murray in that mix? Because he's done it

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Speaker 3: I think that yeah, but I think that also compliments

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about it. And I think that that security.

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Speaker 4: how you're going to come back, and to have the

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Speaker 4: head of the team have that kind of confidence and

434
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 4: just sort of lay down his guarantee to you, I

435
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 4: think it matters.

436
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Speaker 2: I think we see that when they're out on the

437
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Speaker 2: court now.

438
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 4: And look when you go back and you talk about

439
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 4: the Lakers and you talk about Phoenix, you talk about

440
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 4: Damon what he's going to do in Portland, you talk

441
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 4: about all that.

442
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 2: Talent in the West. Meant like, you got to know

443
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: that Denver is going to be a dominant team in

444
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Speaker 2: this in this half of the league for the next

445
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Speaker 2: few years. So what are you building for that too?

446
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 4: And that circles back to the Lebron retirement conversation again.

447
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 4: I my opinion, just my opinion, Lebron is ninety nine

448
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 4: percent coming back next season. But you have to think

449
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 4: about the fact that this team that just flattened you

450
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 4: for nothing, they are probably.

451
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Speaker 2: Going to be around for a long time. Well, well,

452
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: we'll talk putty about the West going forward.

453
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 4: I do want to get to the East before we

454
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 4: get too bogged down because heat Celtics Game four US tonight.

455
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Speaker 4: I don't know when y'all are listening to this out there.

456
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 4: But I cannot say enough about this Miami Heat team.

457
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler, Eric Spolstra has just been phenomenal. And look,

458
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 4: if the Heat win on Tuesday night, both conference finals

459
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 4: will be a sweep. That would be the first time

460
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 4: ever never happened in NBA history. But even if all

461
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 4: of you people listening out there in the future, even

462
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 4: if the Celtics extend this a few games, unless they

463
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Speaker 4: can complete the first ever three to zero series deficit comeback,

464
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 4: I think this is going to be seen as a

465
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 4: huge failure in Boston, just the way this series unfolded

466
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 4: and as we see here today Jalen Brown two of

467
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 4: twenty from three in the series, Tatum five of twenty

468
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 4: from three in the series. So, boogie, who is responsible

469
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Speaker 4: for what has happened to Boston?

470
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Speaker 3: I think this falls on management with you know, the

471
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Speaker 3: whole Audopa Coachy Dopah fire and then just how everything

472
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Speaker 3: was kind of handled in that situation. And itind of

473
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: reminds me of the situation in Golden State when Steve

474
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Speaker 3: Kerr missed a significant amount of time and they let

475
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 3: you know, Luke Walton take over. You know, it kind

476
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: of gives you this this false sense of hope, like

477
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 3: you know, this is and not taking anything away from

478
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 3: Luke or what he's done as a coach, but obviously

479
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: the tier of coach of Steve Kurta Lucas is a

480
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 3: drastic difference, and that's just from the proof of the pudding.

481
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Speaker 3: But you know, he kind of went through the motions

482
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Speaker 3: and it seemed like, you know, this coach is perfect

483
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 3: for any system. He can just do it. And this

484
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 3: is kind of what I'm seeing in Boston as well

485
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: with coach Missoula. And you know, obviously he took over

486
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 3: a team that with the championship aspirations and goals, and

487
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: you know, it was only one expectation for this year

488
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 3: coming up and that's them competing for a championship. So

489
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,479
Speaker 3: once again, it just falls to the tiers of coaching.

490
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Speaker 3: And nothing to take away from Missoula because he's done

491
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Speaker 3: an incredible job this season, but it just shows you

492
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Speaker 3: the difference in Missoula and Udoka. So I think this

493
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Speaker 3: falls on management for the Celtics and how they handled

494
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Speaker 3: that entire situation.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, I think players have to play better, But on

496
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: the side of Mossoula has been out coached the entire playoffs,

497
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: from not calling timeouts to untimely challenges, to unable to

498
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Speaker 1: make in game adjustments that that that you crucially need

499
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Speaker 1: come playoff time, and then again to how important E

500
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: May was and how good I May was. And I

501
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: read something this morning, how you know, when some of

502
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Speaker 1: the Celtics players found out that uh he was hired

503
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: in Houston, it kind of it didn't settle with them well,

504
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: because they believed in him and and really liked him

505
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Speaker 1: from from from what it looks like, and their inability

506
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: to get that situation figured out hurt them, you know,

507
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: because this is pretty much the same team with solid editions,

508
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: solid editions uh that went to the finals last year

509
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: and wholeheartedly felt and and and could have been the

510
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: champions last year. So I just think, you know, I

511
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Speaker 1: love a boogie's comparison to to Steve Kerr and Luke Walton.

512
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: How you just feel like some teams are so good

513
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: you could plug anyone in, but that's not the case.

514
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, some of these coaches have built up a

515
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: rapport with the players that these guys love and respect

516
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: and will run through a wall and Joe Mozzoula just

517
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: hasn't had that kind of time and he's just not

518
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: that type of coach. Yet. He'll get there. He's just

519
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: not there yet. But he's been out coached the entire

520
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: playoffs and it's really shining now along with guys not

521
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: playing well. But when you're going up against someone like

522
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Speaker 1: Spoe and I look at this Miami Heat team and

523
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: it reminds me of not the personnel because people are

524
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: gonna flip out, but they remind me of San Antonio

525
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: from a standpoint of you know that they're not gonna

526
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: beat themselves. They're gonna consistently play their style of basketball

527
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: the entire time on offense and defense, and they won't

528
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: beat theirselves. Boston has beat themselves and that's inconsistency and

529
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: to me, that starts at the top with coaching. So,

530
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Speaker 1: like you said, Rachel, whether Boston is able to slide

531
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Speaker 1: a game or two, highly doubt that they're going to

532
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: be able to come back from this deficit. And it

533
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Speaker 1: really just it's a hats off because if we think

534
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: about this on Miami lost their first playing game. It's

535
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: crazy and now now they're looking to reach the finals.

536
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: This is going to be one of the greatest stories

537
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: I'll know. I don't know. I hate to be a

538
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: fortune teller. I don't see them winning it. But the

539
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: fact that this team got to the finals and knocked

540
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: off the number one seed, the number two seed and

541
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: did it easily really speaks to Jimmy Butler's greatness and

542
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: disposed greatness and just the way they have that that

543
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: franchise has, you know, everyone else believing in each other.

544
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Speaker 4: ESPN's Kevin Pelton had a stat the other day saying

545
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 4: that the Heat were one to one twenty five lawn

546
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 4: shots to make the finals. Then it made the longest

547
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 4: long shots in NBA history, So that is just never,

548
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 4: never happened before, which is crazy. We've obviously seen a

549
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 4: number eight seed in the play in the finals once before,

550
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: but even that team, that next team was what was

551
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 4: considered to be more likely a candidate than this Heat team.

552
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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

553
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Speaker 4: I would say this about Missoula. I think he has

554
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: the potential to develop into a very good coach. I

555
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: started my career down in Miami, and that was where

556
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: I got my first job out of college.

557
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: I knew Eric.

558
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: Spulstra when he was a video assistant. Eric Skulstra was

559
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 4: not always Eric Spulstra, right, he had to grow and

560
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: learn and sort of, you know, get into the job.

561
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't bury Joe Missouli yet by any standard.

562
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Speaker 4: And I would also point out that the Celtics have

563
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: had three coaches in three years, so if you change again,

564
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: you're going to lose that continuity again. So it's just

565
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: things to consider. I do agree with you, Boogie. I

566
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: don't know all the details of the Udoka situation, so

567
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: I can't sit here and say whether they shouldn't have

568
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: done this or shouldn't have done that. But that to

569
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: me seems like more of the inflection point of did

570
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: you make that decision then, as opposed to you know,

571
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 4: how did that change your fortune?

572
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: As opposed to whether you keep Missoula Now.

573
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: I do think that Dooka was able to hold players

574
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: a little more accountable than it seems like Misilla is

575
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 4: able to. And I don't know if that's just because

576
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 4: Missoula is newer or younger or any of that stuff,

577
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: And we'll see if that changes. But that is the

578
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: biggest thing I have seen with the players not performing,

579
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: is that they don't have someone holding them accountable.

580
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: In the same way I thought you may doing the year.

581
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: Before, And the players are a question only because you've

582
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 4: got big money decisions coming up. Jalen Brown eligible for

583
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: a contract extension of more than two hundred and eighty

584
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 4: million dollars this summer, and because Jason Tatum also made

585
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: all MBA, he's guaranteed that same kind of extension the

586
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: following summer. So you're talking about signing these two guys

587
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 4: to nearly six hundred million dollars in contracts over the

588
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: next year and a half. If you were the Celtics,

589
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: are you making that investment?

590
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: Matt?

591
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: Do you think these are the two guys to get

592
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: in there?

593
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: You are willing to put six hundred million dollars on

594
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: the table after what you've seen?

595
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: Ah? Yes, absolutely absolutely, because you got to think it

596
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: takes a duo to win, and these guys are both

597
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: in their mid twenties. You're not going to find a

598
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: better duo. You know, Like I said, I think this.

599
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the team last year. You know

600
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: this is the same team but a year older. So again,

601
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: if if we're taking coaching styles and pointing fingers of

602
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: whose fault it is, at the end of the day, player.

603
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: These players definitely have to play better, both Tatum and Brown,

604
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: and they know it. They have to play better. Obviously,

605
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: I think having a coach there that will hold you

606
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: accountable helps with that. But as far as breaking this

607
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: duo up, they you know, the media and people have

608
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: been trying to break this due up for like the

609
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: last four years, which is which is insane because these

610
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: guys are young and both very, very talented, and I

611
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: feel like this is still a championship roster. So Mozilla's

612
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to you know, I don't know what coaches

613
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: do to get better over the summer, but whatever it is,

614
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: he's going to have to do that because this team

615
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: is still one of the most talented rosters, has some

616
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: of the best players in the world, and they have

617
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: everything you need to win a championship. So players haven't

618
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: played well, Mozula has to step his game up. But

619
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Speaker 1: I'm one thousand percent maxing both Brown and Tatum out

620
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: because if I'm not mistaken, I think these guys are

621
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: like twenty six or twenty seven, like where are you

622
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: gonna and another duo that has that kind of chemistry

623
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: out there? You won't?

624
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: I agree, I I definitely you know, I'm not looking

625
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 4: at the break up either. It's just I mean, DeMarcus,

626
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: that's six hundred million dollar investment.

627
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: So are you a warm with Matt that you spend

628
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: the six hundred million.

629
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it really comes down to the team.

630
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: I think it's also a situation of, you know, does

631
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown want to be there? Anohing? I mean, I

632
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: think that's that Houston situation. We all know they have

633
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: a lot of cap space this summer. You know, they

634
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 3: hired a coach that he was, you know, he enjoyed

635
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 3: playing for. I think that situation could easily change. We

636
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: all kind of know deep down inside he wants to

637
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: be that number one guy. I feel like he has

638
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: the talent the dude. I feel like he's shown the

639
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: ability to do so. Uh He's always kind of living

640
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: in the shadow with Jason Tatum regards that their duo

641
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: works or not. It's a lot of what IF's in

642
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: that situation outside of you know, will this working. So

643
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: I do think it could work in Boston. I do

644
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: think those guys are working money. But I think it's

645
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: more than just it being in an organization's decision. I

646
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: think James Brown has some say so on this as.

647
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: What I think he has a lot booget. I think

648
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: that's a great point because whenever you hear about you know,

649
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: one person going, it's never Tatum, It's always Brown. Brown's

650
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653
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Speaker 1: But I think sometimes guys underestimate the pressure of being him,

655
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like what kind of if

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Speaker 1: Jalon Brown is your number one superstar, can he carry

657
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Speaker 1: a team? And I think that is going to be

658
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659
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662
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663
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Speaker 1: But but he made a great point. I mean, I

665
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Speaker 1: think more than anybody, it's up to Jaylen Brown whether

666
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: he wants to return, because he is always the one

667
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Speaker 1: with the most talent that they're dangling in front of

668
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: everyone when it comes to if someone's moving, it's going

669
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Speaker 1: to be him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and players, players remember that stuff. I know

671
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Speaker 2: y'all do.

672
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: So it's the simular situation. It's a similar situation with that.

673
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: We That's how we ended up finding out who James

674
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,920
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675
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: It was a similar situations when James had to leave. Okay, see,

676
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: it was the same questions, can he carry a team?

677
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: Can he be that superstow? Can he be that number

678
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: one option? And we saw what he turned into. So

679
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: Jaylen Brown is doing it with so called being the

680
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Speaker 3: second option. So just imagine what he could do with,

681
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682
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,920
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's what I was gonna say, So

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Speaker 1: I don't want to double up. And I stand everything

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Speaker 1: I really like Keegan. So if I'm not gonna choose Kean,

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Speaker 1: a lot of young, good pieces, but is that going

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Speaker 2: Game four, Heat are one and a half point favorites.

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Speaker 4: So, Matt, do the Celtics extend the series or do

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say

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Speaker 1: Room.

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Speaker 3: We spoke on this last episode. Many you already near

744
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 3: the Caribbean. Man, let's start this vacation. Man, so complete

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Speaker 3: bats book.

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Speaker 2: It's like I'm in Puerto Rico. Come join by.

747
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Speaker 1: Great, you are looking You're killing it. You are looking

748
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: a little you are looking a little bit more centiment

749
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Speaker 1: out there.

750
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Speaker 3: You see me glowing, glowing.

751
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: You look good off the court, you look good on

752
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: the court.

753
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: Twenty five points, fifteen boards, Matt, this guy scored the

754
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 4: big one the other night.

755
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: I mean he's cooking up there.

756
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Speaker 1: He can do that. He can do that in this

757
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: sleep man. That that doesn't impress me, because what makes

758
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: me mad is he should be doing this on the

759
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Speaker 1: NBA court. So, I mean nothing he does out there

760
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: surprises me.

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00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 3: Uh.

762
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: He just needs another shot, man, That's all I'm saying.

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00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: Man's making the best of opportunities. Hopefully they come back around. Man.

764
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: So it is what it is.

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Speaker 4: Are you sampling the Puerto Rican culture down there? Getting

766
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 4: any good restaurant time?

767
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: What?

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00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean some good spots, man. I can't get

769
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: past these ampanadas though. Trying to lay.

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Speaker 1: Back easy on those big fellas, no.

771
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: Bro, trying to fall back. But man, it's the screaming

772
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: my name. Every day I wake up just screaming my name.

773
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, I'm really enjoying the people. I'm enjoying

774
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Speaker 3: the culture. I mean, just the authentic and organic way

775
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: of living. Like, I'm enjoying all of it, you know,

776
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: the simpler things of like just everything that comes with

777
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: this album. It's been enjoyable. So this is a good

778
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Speaker 3: experience for I love it.

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00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: And it says so much about you and your character

780
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 4: that you're out there hooping just you know, you want

781
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 4: to play ball, and I love that.

782
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: I love people getting to see that good segue.

783
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: By the way, Puerto Rico into Carmelo Anthony, who announced

784
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: his retirement earlier this week after nineteen seasons. You played

785
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: with Mellow on that gold winning Olympic team in twenty sixteen.

786
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: What is your memory of playing with him and of

787
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: your favorite climes of that.

788
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: Man? Smells man. He's hilarious on that team. He was

789
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: the grumpy old man. You know, he was chaperone and

790
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: all the young puppies at the time. So, I mean,

791
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: Mellow is great. He's a legend. He's actually my favorite player.

792
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up model in my game after Mellow.

793
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: My oldest son middle name is Carmelo. To even further

794
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: into how big of a fan I am a Mellow,

795
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: but I mean he's a god he I mean, his

796
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: legend speaks for himself. Everything he's done, from Denver to

797
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: New York to wherever, he's been definitely an icon in

798
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: his game. He carried it gracefully. He's seen the worst

799
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: of he's seen the best of it. An incredible career.

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00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: My only issue is I just wish he would have

801
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: been able to walk out gracefully the way he deserved to.

802
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: That's my only issue with all of He deserved to

803
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 3: walk out on his own terms. But an incredible career

804
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: live I legend and I'm happy to see you, you know,

805
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: ride off in the sunset.

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00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely echo wing with Boobe said from a standpoint,

807
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: if he should have been able to write his ticket

808
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: on his way out. And it was crazy his last

809
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: handful of years, how much slander and disrespect he got

810
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: from the media and fans, and but it was never

811
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: from the players because we always knew what he was

812
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: about and the way he moved. One of the toughest

813
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: covers in NBA history, one of the best scores we've

814
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: ever seen, one of the biggest competitors we've ever seen.

815
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: No holes in his offensive game, from dunking on you

816
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: to posting up to you know, stepping off the block,

817
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: to mid range to three pointers. There wasn't a hole

818
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: in his game. He was strong as a fucking ox.

819
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: Just again, one of the greatest players we've ever seen

820
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: and in the game. Will definitely miss him and his

821
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: essence and what he stood on and the man he was. Yeah,

822
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: I can't say enough good things about Carmelo Anthony man

823
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: and I love to see now that he's porn in

824
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: his little man. His little man is going to be

825
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: a problem too. So great career, but my main thing

826
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: out of everything I said, is that what Boogie ended with,

827
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: he should have been able to go out a different way.

828
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: I think he got screwed over towards the end, and

829
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Speaker 1: as much as he's given this game, he should have

830
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: been able to go out on better terms. For sure.

831
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Speaker 4: I certainly agreed that after Houston. I mean, that was

832
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 4: just a debacle and he just was not treated fairly.

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00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: And I think he's one of the more high character

834
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: guys we've had in this in the last decade or so.

835
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Speaker 4: The stuff that he has done off the court, in

836
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 4: the community, the leadership position that he took, police brutality,

837
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: and so many other things. Frankly before the NFL took

838
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: it on, I mean that he was talking about this

839
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: stuff for years, and I just think that that sometimes

840
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: we let some of the other narrative get in the.

841
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: Way of what kind of person Carmelo Anthony is.

842
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: And Carmelo Anthony is the kind of guy that you

843
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: want in your community, that you want on your corner,

844
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: that you want on your team.

845
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Speaker 3: And he is a.

846
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: Legend and a Hall of Famer, and I can't wait

847
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: to see him get his flowers. As he continues on

848
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 4: the sort of post the retirement circuit over the next

849
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: couple of years. I think my two favorite Olympic Carmelo

850
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Speaker 4: stories are well. First of all, book you mentioned him

851
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 4: being the grumpy old man. I think that was where

852
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: we got that, like Vanessa Carlton thousand miles video of

853
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: him on the bus, just like with Kyrie and those

854
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 4: guys singing, Mellow just rolling his shot and so unhappy.

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00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: I love that one.

856
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: And I love the story that Jason Kidd told recently

857
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 4: on Headliners about the two thousand and eight Olympic team

858
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 4: where Lebron and Kobe it was like kind of their

859
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: first time playing on the same team and Kobe was

860
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 4: doing his you know, you know, Matt Kobe was doing.

861
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: His four am workouts at the hotel and Lebron.

862
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: Saw that and he had to show up then at

863
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 4: four am for those workouts too.

864
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: And Mellow's hearing about this later on in practice and

865
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: he just looks at the kid and he goes, I'm

866
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: not doing that shit.

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Speaker 3: So perfect.

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Speaker 2: It's perfect perfect Mellow right there as well.

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Speaker 4: So I just I had it was off to him

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Speaker 4: one of my favorite players to cover.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 4: But ye didn't know your son's middle name was Carmelo,

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Speaker 4: that's fabulous.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it all right, Thank you

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Speaker 2: guys so much.

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Speaker 4: What's Vernon is available every week on Showtime Basketball, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 4: and TikTok at Show Basketball.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week. Getting ready for the NBA Finals.