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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen are hot.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what you're gonna do to me? Conversation ain't

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Speaker 2: nothing new to me. You could bring a bullet, bring

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Speaker 2: a sword, bring a more, but you can't bring the

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Speaker 2: truth to me. Fuck you and all your expectations. I

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Speaker 2: don't even want your congratulations. I recognize your false confidence

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Speaker 2: and calculate the promises all in your conversation. I hate

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Speaker 2: people that feeling titled look at me crazy because I

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Speaker 2: ain't invite you, oh you important, you to moral to

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Speaker 2: the story you endorsed the motherfucker. I don't even like you.

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Speaker 2: Corrupt a man's hard with a gift. That's how you

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Speaker 2: find out who you're dealing with a small percentage who

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Speaker 2: I'm building with. I want the credit that if I'm

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Speaker 2: losing on women, No, my mama, that's the really shit. Hey,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Blackouts podcast, your host Rod and and

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Speaker 2: shout out to Emma's husband, who's finally skipped that part.

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Speaker 3: To get to this part, I'm gonna start adding extra

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Speaker 3: versus just fuck y'all up and what y'all gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Lant's talk about love at any rate? Uh, it's a Sunday.

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Speaker 2: We're we're ready to do some podcasting.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are tonight, fit Walking Dad. So for those

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Speaker 3: of you that just been excited, you're gonna get your

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Speaker 3: late night rendezvou love of that.

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Speaker 2: Into the bad Lands back to.

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Speaker 3: Night, Into the bad Lands gonna be motherfucking lit.

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Speaker 2: And for your pretentious snobs out there, Westworld's back, so

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Speaker 2: you guys will have your thing. Uh I watch it too.

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Speaker 2: I just I just binge it. But but nah, so

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Speaker 2: we got It's gonna be a busy media day, you know. Uh,

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Speaker 2: speaking of busy media days, I was busy yesterday. We

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Speaker 2: did our feedback show. Then me and BOSSI did this

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Speaker 2: too Much on Atlanta, which is out in the in

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Speaker 2: the regular feed and the premium feed. Wait, I just realized,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I put it in the premium feed.

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Speaker 2: Did I do that? I think I will write down

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Speaker 2: to check that out. Afterwards. Uh oh, your boys, stay busy, people,

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Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to say. Let me make a

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Speaker 3: The official weapon of the show is an unofficial sports

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Speaker 3: a Bulletball Extreme And before I even get into this, Karen,

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Speaker 3: go ahead drop that what you was gonna say, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: before you move on, I did. I was on the

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Speaker 2: Karen was a guest on the podcast Oh you want

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Speaker 2: Freeman and Bacon fun It's up now. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 2: listening to it this morning. It was very good. Hey.

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Speaker 2: They talked about gaming polyamory, uh.

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Speaker 3: In gaming, uh, you know mobile gaming games. Everybody can

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Speaker 2: So it was a pretty cool episode and she had

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I know everybody shook his head a lot,

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Speaker 3: like y'all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they I think he was just sitting back in

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Speaker 2: the cut. Let y'all do y'all thing, and y'all was

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Speaker 2: and I think you guys should listen to it. I think,

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Speaker 2: don't get to hear her nerd out with us, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she snuck us in. She snuck up some fries

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Speaker 2: Universal Fan Con got postponed a week out from the

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Speaker 2: Mm yeah. It like that scene in New jak City

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Speaker 2: No Uzi's made in Harlem. I mean, not one of

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, and I you know, and so but

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Speaker 3: Right, And the thing is the hotel is a fucking business,

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Speaker 2: Nerd them, you know, they reach out to her when

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be the one. There's always a person that doesn't

432
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: like you. There's people that you know they had a

433
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: bad interaction with you and they've been fucking talking about

434
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: you for years and years and years. But for the

435
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: most part, people will ignore those kind of folks because

436
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: most of those kind of people complain about everything and yeah,

437
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: no offense, because I saw people saying like I didn't

438
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: fuck with her back in blankety blank, and I'm like, yeah,

439
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: you don't really fuck with anybody, Like You're not the

440
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: person I go to but this time with all this

441
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: money on the line, all these people that were out,

442
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: I mean, people made materials to sell, like merchandise. Our girl,

443
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: Eljoy Williams is going down there for her civics podcast,

444
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: Sunday Civics to engage people, civically register people to vote.

445
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: She made all types of stuff. She's out a couple

446
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, just like that.

447
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 3: Artists that had prepare stuff specially for this, they're out.

448
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: Yep.

449
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: You know you had a lot of people to put

450
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: up a huge amount of money. Yeah, you have people

451
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 3: mortgaging their homes.

452
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: Right, and I mean yeah, I mean well yeah, I

453
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: mean somebody gave like five thousand dollars. There was a

454
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: backer for this, like special VIP experience, never gonna get

455
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: your money back ticket, unrefundable, non refundable, and so the

456
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, the thing was like there

457
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: were people saying like, well, it's non refundable, so now

458
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: you you know, y'all ain't getting y'all money back, which,

459
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: to be honest, people just don't want to hear. I

460
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: don't know if if there's gonna be a Twitter or something,

461
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 2: a lawsuit about that or something. I know people started

462
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: like it's funny, man, because in the light of this

463
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: not happening, the resiliency of that community and the fact

464
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: that there is a community was so beautiful because people

465
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: are still gonna put on a con and they like

466
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: have a pop up con that's gonna happen that Saturday.

467
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: People are promoting the artists, they're promoting the cosplayers, right.

468
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: And was saying, go buy their stuff. So for a

469
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: lot of people, they through social media, they were introduced

470
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: to some of these people that they otherwise wouldn't have

471
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: been introduced to. They would have only been at the con.

472
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's gonna be other cons and stuff, or

473
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: there will be a con in the area for people

474
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: to go to, you know. But the fallout and the

475
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: lack of honesty in the fallout, because I can't think

476
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: of another way to put it. I don't want to

477
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: assume the worst of somebody. But like, literally, we did

478
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: watch your story change two three times every time you

479
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: put out another press release, you know, so like things happen.

480
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: So people aren't that crazy, you know, they like, just

481
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: let me know, just let us know, right, So what

482
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: I would say though, and you know, and who knows

483
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: because people are saying like maybe she put up her

484
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: house to keep it whatever. Well, what I what I

485
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: would say is it seems like on the outside looking in,

486
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: if you're in charge of this at all, if your

487
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: name's on the front of it, then you probably should

488
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: be at least in tune to what the financials are. Now,

489
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that makes you know. Shit happens, you know,

490
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: like anything can happen, especially with money.

491
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: But.

492
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: If you're not in tune to the financials, then don't

493
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: put your face on the front of it, because if

494
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: it don't go right, that's you, you know. And then

495
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: she to then't say like, I'm not a founder of this,

496
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: I'm just a member, and I you know, when this

497
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: pops off, I'm definitely gonna want all the credit, but

498
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna want any of the blame, you know,

499
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: kind of you know, not really cool, you know, to

500
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: then say, well, I actually I had nothing to do

501
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: with it. People are not gonna buy it at this point,

502
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: the switch from I knew this two weeks ago to

503
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: I just found out today, Like y'all, that's also not

504
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: gonna fly with people, you know, like they see you

505
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: change your story. You know, some people went radio, silent

506
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: on Twitter and stuff, which I mean, honestly, your tweet

507
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: ain't gonna solve it anyway, So I actually understand that.

508
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: But then they come back and be like, you know,

509
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm kind of the real victim of this, and like

510
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have done that, You should have just left

511
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: that alone. But here's what I would say, though, cause

512
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 2: I think in the blame game and the pettiness and

513
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: the anger, like a lot of shit is getting lost

514
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: because there are also people that really have grudges with her,

515
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: that have had him for years, and this is the

516
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: final this is the chance to finally be heard, like

517
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, and there's people that have like like that

518
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: never are a mess, that are like, listen, this is foul.

519
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: This is kind of part for the course, blahlah blah.

520
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Like our girl Joy who was on the show last year,

521
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: who used to work for Black Girl nurs and she

522
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: stopped and like I want to say, March she was

523
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, like this is kind of what Jamie

524
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: does and stuff. And I ain't never seen Joy involved

525
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: in no shit ever.

526
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: Business. It just travels the globe.

527
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm inclined to believe Joy, you know, And

528
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: it didn't even seem like what she was doing was

529
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: on some petty like I'm about to roast this motherfucker

530
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: like it wasn't even it was just.

531
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: Kind of like it's coming from the heart.

532
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: It was since right, and there were people that still

533
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: work there that they fear. They may fear retribution, loss

534
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: of contacts, not to mention, I mean, this could be

535
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: the dissolution of that brand at some point, because if

536
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: black Girl Nurs is not it's a universal fan con,

537
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: and universal fan con can become synonymous with a failure.

538
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: People may not want to put that on the resume.

539
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: People may always be asking answering questions about like, well,

540
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: what exactly did you have to do with it? You know,

541
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we might want to want you to write

542
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: for Slate, but can you explain what happened and what

543
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: your role was? You know, a lot of good work

544
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: might get you know, kind of taken down a peg

545
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: because of this, you know, and then anytime you're the

546
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: arbiter of blackness for any space you put yourself up

547
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: to be crucified, I don't like, you know, it's like, uh,

548
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: it's just what happens, and no one black person I

549
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: think is even close to able to represent us all.

550
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: It's just impossible. But whatever choices you make, whatever type

551
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: of black person you are, you're gonna get called to

552
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: the carbon for that shit. So if you call yourself

553
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: black girl nurse and you have a article that people

554
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: disagree with, people go, who the fuck are you see this?

555
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: What's wrong with this type of black person? And this

556
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: is why I don't fuck with y'all cause you said blank.

557
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: You know.

558
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you would have taken the

559
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: opposite approach and put the opposite article out, there would

560
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: be a contingent of black people that'll be like, yo,

561
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: fuck you, that's that's not no type of black shit

562
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: I deal with you. This is why you shouldn't be

563
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: the arbitr of this thing, you know. So even by

564
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: accepting that mantle, you kind of put yourself in a

565
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: place where you're like, you know, it's a precarious situation

566
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: from jump then you know the access. You know, you're

567
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: gonna deal with, jealousy, pocket watching, you know of people

568
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: you know sitting around meet peeping like, oh, why you

569
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: get to be at the red carpet? You got that shit,

570
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, So you already have all this shit you're

571
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: dealing with. I really do wonder, and this is not excuse,

572
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: but I really do just wonder if this is what happened,

573
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: if she was just faking it till she made it

574
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: the way that many people in these independent media spaces

575
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: have to do to survive correct and basically took it

576
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: too far, like got in over your head and you

577
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: didn't want to admit this shit is not working out

578
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: how I thought. It's harder than our thought. The money

579
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: isn't there is, the support isn't there that I thought

580
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: we were gonna have. I don't know what to do

581
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: right now, and that transparency and honesty may have saved you.

582
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying, like on the third if that's

583
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: when you knew, you know, because I if that's the story,

584
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: that's the story. But I that's very difficult for me

585
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: to believe that y'all didn't know from jump like we

586
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: were gonna have to sell some more tickets, we were

587
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: gonna need a budget where we were bringing in more

588
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: money constantly all the time, and it wasn't happening, and

589
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: we knew at some point we were gonna have to

590
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: start changing our plans because things were starting to look

591
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: kind of shady. Anyway, Let's say you didn't know and

592
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: you really found out on the third, right, not like

593
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: I said. Let's say that happened even as far away

594
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: as the third. If you would come out and been like, hey, guys,

595
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 2: I need y'all help. I'm not going to make this

596
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: budget and we might not get the con that we

597
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: thought we were gonna get. We don't have the money

598
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: we thought we had. This is what happened to the

599
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: money and so many people pay and look, we got

600
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousand followers. You got celebrities, companies that want

601
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: to be affiliated with Black Girl nurves, you got that

602
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: want to be affiliated with Universal Fan con that want

603
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: to be affiliated with black Twitter and stuff. And if

604
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: you can say, look, guys, we need a new Kickstarter,

605
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: a new go fund me, a new something. We need

606
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: to raise this money for this thing to happen, and

607
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: you know able to learn that. Can you sing to

608
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: boost this like all these people that have ever like

609
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: fucked with them, you know, can you hey, can y'all help?

610
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: Because we don't want you to fail?

611
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: Right and and also you know who else don't want

612
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: you to fail? All the people that upset now that

613
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: y'all didn't have y'all event all of them would have

614
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: rather been in Baltimore having fun at this con. And

615
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: if you would have even had to go back to

616
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: them and been like, guys, we completely miscalculated. It's gonna

617
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: take an extra twenty dollars a person to really make

618
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: this happen. Even those people would be like, well, I'd

619
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 2: rather give you twenty more dollars now then be asked

620
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: out of the two thousand dollars I'm spending to come

621
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: there this weekend.

622
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: You know.

623
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: It was just so many people that like I don't

624
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: know and like I'm trying to I have obviously everybody listening.

625
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: I have definitely have empathy overload some shit. And it's

626
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: probably easier for people that can cut everybody, like real

627
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: like cutting drivers, like fuck this person, the trash, I'm

628
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: done with them, no check, you know. But to me,

629
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can understand being out on a limb

630
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: doing something that you're uncomfortable doing because you've never done

631
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: it before. Correct which every day with these small businesses,

632
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: every day in these streets, these independent media spaces, we're

633
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: always doing some shit that we're uncomfortable doing. We're always

634
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: doing some shit no one's done before. We're always doing

635
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: some shit that we've never done before, right, and it's scary.

636
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: It's scary as fuck.

637
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: You know.

638
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: People will ask us questions when you're gonna do this,

639
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't know how to do that,

640
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: my neck. I either need the money to find an

641
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: expert that knows what they're doing, or I need the

642
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: time to learn how to do this thing that you

643
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: want me to do. But the truth of the matter

644
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: is I know what I'm doing over here, which is

645
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: why I stick to what I'm doing, and when I

646
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: reach out into other things, I want to do it

647
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: with a surreness. I want to do it with a backing.

648
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: I want to do it with a bit of a net,

649
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: a safety net underneath me so that if I fall,

650
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: I don't fall too hard. And what really the real

651
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: pressure of it is we try so hard to live

652
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: up to what other people view us as you know,

653
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: it was like I had to as so much as

654
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: I had to embrace last year. Last year was about

655
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: me pushing out to be like, I'm gonna do some

656
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: things I've never done before that I've never felt comfortable doing.

657
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking do these things, or meet

658
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 2: these people, take these selfies. I'm gonna be at these shows.

659
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this con We're gonna do this shit.

660
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: And that was a beautiful feeling, that growth. But this

661
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: year I've been learning a lot more that there's consequences

662
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: of that. People come into your life that they don't

663
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: actually mean the best for you. They want shit from you.

664
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: They give you shit to get shit. You know, they

665
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: they judge you from outside. They think of you as like,

666
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: you know, a product things of this nature. You know that,

667
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: like they're rooting for you, but they don't know you.

668
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: They're rooting for you in a in a weird way.

669
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: And so that's another lesson I have to take in.

670
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: You know, not gonna let it defeat me, not gonna

671
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 2: let it rob me of my human connection to other people.

672
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: But I do need to be wary of it. You

673
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: never know who the fuck is trying to get in

674
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: your circle, right, correct, So I can understand the pressure

675
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: of finding out this might not happen. I don't want

676
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: to let everyone down. Maybe I can find a way

677
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: to fix it myself, you know, maybe I am gonna

678
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: mortgage my own house. Maybe I am gonna, you know,

679
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: try to sell more products or whatever. You know, the

680
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: thing is, maybe I'll just keep tweeting, not trying to

681
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: promote it. I don't know. I have to find a

682
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: new avenue of revenue to make this thing work. But yeah,

683
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: you like, but sometimes the only thing you can do

684
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: is lean back on your audience and trust them. You know,

685
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: you're spending this money, You're you're invested. It's not that

686
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: you don't want it to happen, you know, like, it's

687
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: not like you're sitting around. Put it this way, I

688
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: highly doubt that Jamie and some of the people affiliated

689
00:36:52,920 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: with sitting around like Tyrone at Howard, I highly doubt

690
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: that that's what was happening. I doubt it was either,

691
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, but I bet you you know, they start

692
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: looking at the reality of these prices and these deposits.

693
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 3: And these It's a lot of costs that is associated

694
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: with shit. A lot of hidden fees too, it's associated

695
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 3: with shit. You pay a deposit here, three months later

696
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 3: or right before the event, you pay another deposit, come

697
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: to find out it's the extra fifty dollars for this. Oh,

698
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: you want to extra this and you want to extra

699
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: that oh, now you got to have insurance. Hold up, right,

700
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, now you gotta have special security. Hold on,

701
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: wait a minute, now you need to pay. Somebody was

702
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: saying licensing, you know, before you know it, it ended up.

703
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: Being you got a permit to play this music in

704
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: this venue? Are you going to sign it? You know?

705
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: And okay, And these are extra occurring costs that you

706
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: might not have even considered from the beginning. So I

707
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: know that sometimes, but like this, I understand that sometimes everybody,

708
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: when you're trying to save money, you do things. You

709
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: try to do things yourself. I completely, I'm just on

710
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: from a small scale, but sometimes you need to pay

711
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: the professionals who are professional at this, They actually know

712
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: what questions to ask, they've been through this, they can

713
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: kind of help guide you. And even with them, you

714
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: still might have unexpected things that happen.

715
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I would throw out, though, that fan

716
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: base spends a lot of time, a lot of time

717
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: talking about other people's shit not being good enough. So

718
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: the pressure that puts on you as a person who

719
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: holds an event for those folks is that your shit

720
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: has to be perfect because they are going to go

721
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: in on you if it's not. And I've always felt

722
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: we've talked about in the nerd off the blurred's face,

723
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: you know, which you know, I don't call myself one,

724
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: but I don't have a problems with people that call

725
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: themselves that. That's fine whatever, But the blurred's face is

726
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: so fucking negative. I don't really fuck. I've been in

727
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: nerd little blur groups people added me to, and shit,

728
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 2: I get out every time. Don't put me in those groups, right.

729
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: And to me me on the outside looking in, a

730
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: lot of them, a lot of them are very very

731
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 3: very mean spirited, like just mean spirit and a lot

732
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: of negativity. And I can pick up on that. I'm

733
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: here for fun. I came to have a good time.

734
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 3: I came here to enjoy. That's why sometimes I can't

735
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: vibe with a lot of them, because I didn't come

736
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: here to ship on everything that I see. I didn't

737
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: come here to say how everything ain't trash and how

738
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: I can do it better and I can write it

739
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: better and things like that. I kind of enjoy what

740
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: I enjoy. But at the same time, their anger is

741
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: valid in some in some spaces, and that's how you

742
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: get diversity and all this stuff. So I understand the

743
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: purpose of it, but sometimes it could be just be

744
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: too much negativity for me personally.

745
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: All right, So what I'm trying to say is just

746
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: though those spaces are negative, I don't really mess with

747
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: it because of that. Right, I'm sure there's a lot

748
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: of blurs that don't really fuck me because I am

749
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: more like, nah, I like that. You know, Marvel's great.

750
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: I don't like Avengers was fine. You know, I don't

751
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: really walk out of Avengers in My first thought is like,

752
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: you know, the representation for this, that and the other

753
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: wasn't good enough, or that there's people whose whole industry

754
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: in life is dedicated to doing that. They make money

755
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: doing that, or they get a brand doing that, and

756
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: that's fine. It's just I don't want to be affiliated

757
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: with that shit. It's just a never any rabbit hole

758
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: of you know, this is fucked up. That's fucked up,

759
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: so I try not to deal with it. Here's my

760
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: thing though, that also extends of these cons. So it

761
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: becomes I went to Blank Con and that con was

762
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: fucked up and they didn't have this and they didn't

763
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: have that. So then it's not that it's just that

764
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: you're going I'm gonna put on a con. You're gonna

765
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: put on a con that's unlike the other cons and

766
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: doesn't let anyone down. The underlying part is has never

767
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: talked about it cost a lot of money. Mm hmmm,

768
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: it cost a lot of money. Like It's not as

769
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: simple as people make it seen. We know right from wrong,

770
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: we know what morally should be done. The thing is,

771
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: it's not always affordable to pay every person that's gonna

772
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: speak at your con. And but but you will go

773
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: on to you on the on Twitter, people shipped on

774
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: cons where they don't pay people. We've gone to provoke

775
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: con and see out of PODCN. We didn't get paid

776
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: to be either one of those. Right. Our travel and

777
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: our hotel was paid for in both venues. Right, And

778
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: that's fine, right. I know people who have been like,

779
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have gone if I get no, you know,

780
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: this much money for it. And you know what, I've

781
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: never complained about it. I've never been on Twitter talking

782
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: about how maybe so and so did so and so

783
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: get paid and I didn't get paid. You know why,

784
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: because personally, I made a decision before I left my house.

785
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: Am I willing to do this for free? Or not right.

786
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Am I willing to do this for air you know,

787
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: for airfare and a hotel and or am I not?

788
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: You know, Podcorn that was their first one. I really do.

789
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: I was, I go back if I if I come back,

790
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: if they allow, if you know, if they invite us back,

791
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: I go, I go back. Never been to Seattle before.

792
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: I go back.

793
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: I had a great time, you know, tired and all

794
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: that shit, but had a great time.

795
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: It was fun. We got to be at the first one.

796
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: Next year they might pick somebody else. Totally fine with

797
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: that too, No hard feelings, you know. I saw people

798
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: that you know, they left in the can and they said, well,

799
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: this was kind of different. I didn't like this thing

800
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: about it. And I said, you know what, totally fine.

801
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: You know, if you didn't like, you know, something about it,

802
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: send them that feedback. I hope they listen to you.

803
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: I hope they change it. I personally had a great time.

804
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: But I also walk into the door, you know, me,

805
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: I'm expecting us to walk there and then to be like,

806
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: we don't have you on the list, So you know,

807
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: I have very low expectations. But oh, you know, I

808
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: had a great time. That's what I'm trying to say,

809
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: and I was, I made that decision, was fine with

810
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: that decision, and I would I'm looting shit on them

811
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: for that. If I found out everybody got paid but us,

812
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 2: I still would be like nigga, I had a great time.

813
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fuck about they money. I don't think one

814
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: of the things that that allows us to do what

815
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: we do is because I don't care about other people shit.

816
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: You know, I don't care what. I don't look at

817
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: the podcast list and go, we didn't make this list.

818
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: Fuck everybody ahead of us, Well, what's so good about them?

819
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think, holy shit, that's so

820
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: good for those people they made that list.

821
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: I always am happy about those lists.

822
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of some of these people. That's so dope.

823
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: I found some new podcast that's wonderful.

824
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: When some black people get some shit that I don't

825
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: even fuck with, they type of blackness like totally not

826
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: for me. I still be happy because some black people

827
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: got some shit. Good for them. Secure your bag. You

828
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: know Longs, you ain't fucking with me? What do I care?

829
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: You know, like, I literally expunge that shit from my life.

830
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't think like that. You know what I mean

831
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: like I and every day I try to push it further.

832
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: I try to come up with something else to be like.

833
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: This is why you gotta stay unbothered, you know, because

834
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: what I think ultimately led to this is pocket watching

835
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: these other cons correct, because you're putting on a first con.

836
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: Your first con probably gotta be small, probably gotta be

837
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: in a small space, Probably gotta be in maybe a

838
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: small city. Maybe not as many attendees, maybe not as

839
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: many days. Maybe you can only do one day to

840
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: first day. Maybe you know, you can only plan on

841
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: two or three hundred people coming and you have to

842
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: figure out budget out for two to three hundred people

843
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: to rent out, you know, a small place like And

844
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: obviously it's a hindsight, but I would have known this

845
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: going up upfront for the most part, only because I

846
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: do dreams small quote unquote, that's just my thing. God,

847
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very much like, let's do the thing

848
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 2: we know we can do, and if that works, let's

849
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: do the thing that we think we can.

850
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: Do, right, you know, right, And I'm the opposite. So

851
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: you have to have somebody that kind of can balance

852
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: that out. And it's okay to dream big and won't

853
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: big things. But the thing is sometimes it might take two, three, four, five,

854
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: six tries or years of consistently doing something before you

855
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: can get to that point.

856
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at the chat. Like Minerva said, like

857
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: when you got a small indie con, you might not

858
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: be able to pay people just because you ain't got

859
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: the budget correct, But like you know, these bigger cons

860
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: like San Diego kan Comic Con, She's like, they should,

861
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: they better pay. But my thing is san Diego Comic

862
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: Con got something. Your indie con don't got an audience, right,

863
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: So there's actually people who are gonna come to San

864
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: Diego Comic Con and not get paid, but they got

865
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: paid and getting exposed to a lot of people that

866
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: never would have heard of them before. You know, like

867
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: it's it's these are the trade offs that we have

868
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 2: to make. I think often we talk ourselves one way

869
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: to the extreme and like either pay me I ain't

870
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: doing shit. Fine, that's your way, but then don't be

871
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: mad when you don't get the phone call, don't be

872
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: mad when you're not there. Don't be mad when you

873
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: see somebody on that stage and you didn't want to

874
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: do what it took to get there. That path wasn't

875
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: for you. Just excites the jealousy from yourself, right, Like

876
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: excites the part of you that looks at them on

877
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: stage and gos. I just want to be on stage

878
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: because I don't want to walk in that shoes necessarily

879
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: so because I don't know what it took to get there, right,

880
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: so we have to so for me anyway, I had

881
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: to excite that part like, Okay, that person's on that

882
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: person's on that stage, that person's on that list, that

883
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: person on that letter. Well, you know what I don't

884
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: want to do. I don't want to do the black

885
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: show that explains black shit to white people. No, I

886
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: don't want to make that my podcast. Now, if I

887
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: did that podcast, maybe I'd be on the stage, but

888
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: I'd always have to be trading lightly worried I'm gonna

889
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: piss the white person off because I didn't explained this

890
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: shit the right way. Come. You know, I have to

891
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: be happy with myself at the end of the day.

892
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: My authenticity, my honesty, and my integrity only fucking things

893
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: I got. It's the only things I can control. Everything

894
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: else is people's perception. You gotta let them deal with

895
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: that shit.

896
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: But I really do wonder if the image of having

897
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: it all together.

898
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: And chasing that and trying to look like the con

899
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: that had all the other cons beating. And we're gonna

900
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: put you to shame in our first con, and we're

901
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: gonna pay everybody, gonna fly everbody out, give everybody hotel rooms.

902
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: We'll have like the best shit for everyone, all kinds

903
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: of accessibility. Everything's gonna be great and perfect, and you know,

904
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: the pictures and stuff, and I'm gonna be at the

905
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: front of pictures as look who did this? You know,

906
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: look who gets the credit for this? And then when

907
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: the shit goes wrong, it's I was just a member.

908
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: I was never I have nothing to do with this.

909
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to the money. Nobody knows

910
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: what happened to the money. It doesn't matter what happened

911
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: to the money. All of a sudden it's not good enough,

912
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: you know. So I honestly do wonder if that was

913
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: the pressure man like h And that sucks, you know,

914
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: because I like one of my big fears and one

915
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: of the things that you know, one of the reasons

916
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: I live the way I live is because I don't

917
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: really want to live my life for the internet. I

918
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: don't really give a fuck about being all up in

919
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 2: the picture in the videos. It's so often I have

920
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: lunch or dinner with somebody or something like some some

921
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: type of thing, and I like, I know, in my mind,

922
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, what a great time. And then I leave

923
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 2: and I go.

924
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I was supposed to take like a selfie

925
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: that remembers that bar.

926
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what I mean to tell the

927
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: world like look at that we had. But I don't

928
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: live in that world like that. Like I understand there's

929
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: still real life out here, you know. I understand that

930
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: meeting a celebrity, the last thing on my mind is

931
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: if I really look up to him, it's I gotta

932
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: get this picture though, you know what I mean, Like

933
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: it's it's like, oh yeah, that is right, that's the

934
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: thing I should do. I mean, I try to remember,

935
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to front, but I just I almost

936
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: never do. But but it's just but it's this whole

937
00:48:53,880 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: thing of like there's so much about image and especially

938
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: the pressure that must come with being the black girl

939
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: nerds and the black girl nerd and the head of

940
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: that and all that shit to look like you always

941
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: have it together. But I honestly do believe if they

942
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: would have come out, however many months that they knew

943
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: that this was gonna probably be an issue, which it

944
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: had to be, muths, it had to be, if they

945
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: would have said, man, we need some help. I really

946
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: feel like they would have got it. But now you

947
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: might have burned your brand to the ground. I don't

948
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: know how you recover. How do you recover from that?

949
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: You know, it's a nightmare. It's a huge fear for

950
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: people that work in the independent spaces is you know,

951
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: shit doesn't work out, and now motherfuckers is out here,

952
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, burning everything down. And clearly y'all don't have

953
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: a PR person. I mean, if y'all don't have money,

954
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how you afford it anyway, But y'all

955
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: don't got a PR person. Y'all ain't got y'all got stories, changing,

956
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: people ain't on the same page, people dropping old shit

957
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: that you done said or did to them. And now

958
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: everybody's all perked up listening because they ain't. You know,

959
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: they ain't listening the first.

960
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: Time, right, And then you have a lot of nerdom

961
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: that actually a lot of white spaces started covering whenever

962
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 3: it publicly came out, so then you have a lot

963
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: of people that had no idea what the fuck this was. Yeah,

964
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: I mean that's how I read about it. It was on

965
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: Io nine, the Hollywood Reporter, every right, So once it

966
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: so this started getting into white spaces, so then you

967
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: had those people come trying to find out what you

968
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: were doing, who you were, So you're bringing more eyes

969
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: and the situation.

970
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: Honestly, as an independent media person that wants to do

971
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: some events and shit, scares the fuck out of me

972
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I hope people understand when we do

973
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: our shit, we're not gonna do it just trying to like,

974
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: we're not gonna fake it. Like, if we can't do it,

975
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: y'all niggas will know first. If we can do it,

976
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: we gonna let y'all know too. You know, when we

977
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: playing shit out, it's meticulous when we when we want

978
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: to do stuff, we find professionals when we like, we're

979
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: not just gonna freewheel it and hope it comes together

980
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: and you don't. And since you don't have to, you

981
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about me living for y'all quote unquote,

982
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I'm not out here

983
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: feeling like I'm representing everybody when I go somewhere like

984
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: it isn't. I don't. There's no value in me looking

985
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: like I have it all together all the time, you know.

986
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: And the water that I hold, when I hold water

987
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: for people is for their benefit, you know what I mean.

988
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: Like if I'm if there's some shit, then I'm like, yeah,

989
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm just not even gonna tell the audience about this.

990
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: It ain't for me, cause I don't. I'm very comfortable

991
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: with the decisions I make. It's it's for them where

992
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: it's like I don't need to start no ship, what

993
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: these people got, you know. So I it's it's like

994
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: as a person that tries to live my life that

995
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 2: kind of way, you know, make my parents proud, make

996
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: you proud, make our fans proud. I also am not

997
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: so caught up in trying to look perfect, right, So

998
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 2: I think right, and I think that's what happens when

999
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: you know you have a crushing fan base, like you

1000
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: have built a juggernaut that can build an empire as

1001
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: quick as they can destroy one, and now they are

1002
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: unleashed on you yourself, Like I don't know, I don't

1003
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: know what Jamie's gotta be going through right now, especially

1004
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: if she really was, like I said, I don't know

1005
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: the full story, it feels like she really was had

1006
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: best intentions in mind when she started this thing. It

1007
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: got big as fucked. Right, there's a point where you

1008
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: need a team. You can't handle this. You can't be

1009
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 2: going to work at a nine to five somewhere else, right.

1010
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: This needs to be a full time, all hands on.

1011
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: Deck thing, right, Because a lot of like particularly when

1012
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 3: we went to Seattle, it was literally a full time team,

1013
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: a squad of people that actually ran everything. They was

1014
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 3: like the forefront, and that wasn't.

1015
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: That was their first Seattle podcorn. Everybody that worked on it,

1016
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: that was not their first con.

1017
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't.

1018
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: So like I was learning then when I was watching them,

1019
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this is an undertaking. You got

1020
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: forty fifty people working on this, stat you all over

1021
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: the place, multiple event planners, caterers come out, people that

1022
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: have to clean up, people that have to do the

1023
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: chairs and the stands, and the mic, the audio and

1024
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: the recording and the video.

1025
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: Like in the photography.

1026
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: You got all these moving parts. It's one of the reasons,

1027
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not trying to anyone that had

1028
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: a problem when I'm not trying to like really get it,

1029
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: get it them. But it's one of the reasons I

1030
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: really just was like, I don't have a problem with

1031
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: anything that happened today, cause it's fucking this looks very difficult.

1032
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: I don't know how the fuck they did this, Like

1033
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: I'm just walking around it all like, oh wow, it's

1034
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: really gonna start at the time you said it was

1035
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: gonna start, okay.

1036
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 3: And it went playing and it ended at the time

1037
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: they said it was gonna end. Then you know the

1038
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: people did they? I think something happened when we got

1039
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: there to our rooms where we didn't have the passes.

1040
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 3: We got there and no, Mom was like, you ain't

1041
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: got your passes. We was like no, She was like okay,

1042
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: she made a phone call. I don't know what she

1043
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 3: did or who she spoke to. But when we got

1044
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: back to the room, them fucking passes. Then that goddamn room.

1045
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 2: They were also surprised by how nice we were, which

1046
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: made me think, like, how fucking it title is everybody

1047
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: else because and I think maybe it's just we were

1048
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: it's such all. Plus we are from the South, so

1049
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: so there's a huge part of us that I'm sure

1050
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: they were like, oh my god, look you know, we're

1051
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: all honey, baby, sweetish, thank.

1052
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: You everybody to the audio technician man and everything. And

1053
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 3: the thing is our niceness paid off because he probably

1054
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: had thousands of hours of recording. He was like, I

1055
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: got you, y'all. Get y'all recording first.

1056
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: He gave us all our recordings from podcorn. Like as

1057
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: soon as I got home and emailed, it was like, yep,

1058
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 2: here's yours.

1059
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: I remember y'all.

1060
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: Everybody was so like, oh we love y'all. Oh God,

1061
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: you're so good, thank you for coming. You so And

1062
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, we may have the smallest fan base of

1063
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: all these shows in here, no cause these shows, you know,

1064
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: one they kind of cater to like a different it

1065
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 2: was like a different type of celebrities. So these people

1066
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: are men's writers, all kinds of shit. You know, they've

1067
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: been on TV, you know, all the ship and we

1068
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: were just had like I been through man, you know that,

1069
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: and being our authentic selves and you know, spread and

1070
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: love and spending time with our fans, and our fans

1071
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: were so fucking like real and so dope like to

1072
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: like it was you know, it was honestly like talking

1073
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: to friends. Even though we didn't know them, they kind

1074
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: of knew enough about us. They were so respectful and

1075
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: like seeing our fans intermingle and like be existing in

1076
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: these places. And it like that our fans were so

1077
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: dope they made other people fans of us. It wasn't us,

1078
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't us. It was people were like, why the

1079
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: fuck all those people gathered around those black dudes.

1080
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: People, right, and and and I think one time we

1081
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: was like in the same room. We did one and

1082
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 3: then the next event was like in that same room,

1083
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 3: and we were standing there and we would talk and

1084
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 3: they would take pictures and I think people interacting with us.

1085
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: So we would go outside and we would talk and

1086
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 3: people come by and we take pictures, and it actually

1087
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: just drew other people around, and other people would just

1088
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: stand and look and talk and for you know it,

1089
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: everything we went to they were there too, because I

1090
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: can just feel the energy.

1091
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: And we probably picked up a dozen or so straggler fans.

1092
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: They came there to be, you know, like I just

1093
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: came to be do cosplay and listen to you know,

1094
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: my brother, my brother and me, And then by fucking Sunday.

1095
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: They were like, when's your live show? I'm gonna be there,

1096
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: you know.

1097
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 3: And even some of the people that were like doing

1098
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: like the floor as far as like keeping the time

1099
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: and you go seeing people, they would actually hear us

1100
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: next thing, you know, someone I actually seen some of

1101
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 3: them at the live show. I was like wow.

1102
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: So even with like negro Con, right, because people keep

1103
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: comparing negro Con to what they did, it's not really

1104
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: comparable because what Universal fan Con said out to be

1105
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: with some huge shit from the jump right, they did

1106
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: a fundraiser to get the money to do it. We

1107
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: was coming out of pocket, like Chris came out of

1108
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: pocket for that shit. You know. We uh when we

1109
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: were looking for venues and tickets and shit. I remember,

1110
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: you know, Chris finding the venue and we were like,

1111
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: can we sell one hundred tickets? How are we supposed

1112
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 2: to know? And that's the thing an episode one ticket before.

1113
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: You're guessing. That's why you federalized. You're guessing and you

1114
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: have an estimate on what you think that you don't

1115
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: really know.

1116
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: And the internet's not really real, Like no offense to

1117
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: in my internet folks on y'all fam at this point,

1118
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: but you can't say I have twenty thousand Twitter followers

1119
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: so I can sell twenty thousand seats to an arena

1120
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: that ain't how it works.

1121
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: Probably five to ten percent at the most, and that's

1122
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: if five to ten percent. Normally its probably about two

1123
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: to three percent.

1124
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: Even with this universal fan con fall out. One of

1125
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: the things I'm trying not to do is be petty

1126
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: or harass anybody and shit, because if we're being honest,

1127
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't really care. Right, they sold

1128
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: seven hundred some tickets. That's actually astounding. If they had

1129
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: chicked the Biffin venue, that would have been a dope

1130
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: ass crowd of seven hundred and something people. You can

1131
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: make that work, you know, like it could have been

1132
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: something great. Like there's a tragedy to all this in

1133
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: the partying of it. I'm not saying don't make your jokes. Look,

1134
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: I got jokes, okay. I would have been on Instagram

1135
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: with y'all money laughing. If y'all would have been I

1136
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: would have been like, I'm in the bea is I

1137
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: can't get reception out of here. I'm too busy counting

1138
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: y'all's money. Sorry, in a fir on the beach, sweating.

1139
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: You gotta buy, you gotta lean into it, right. But nah,

1140
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, so there's a tragedy to this.

1141
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: There's a sadness to it. There's a loss of trust here,

1142
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: maybe a loss of a brand. Definitely lots of money

1143
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: for many people. How many other things could they have

1144
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: done with that money? You know? Money on growing trees

1145
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: is that you're not playing with people money, like you know,

1146
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: I tell people this shit all the time when it rid,

1147
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: y'all should do this, y'all should do that. I'm like, Nigga,

1148
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: that's more money for them, more money for us. She

1149
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: ain't funny when it come tony.

1150
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: What people will slice you up over their funds. Now,

1151
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: they will fuck you up. They will literally see time

1152
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: I meet you Intomerica, honey, they will meet you about.

1153
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: I feed them death threats and ship over that money.

1154
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: You know. So people don't pay the money in their labor.

1155
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: People do not play around that about that ship. So

1156
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: it's so it's some scary ship, you know. And so

1157
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: the the whole I see how you can get caught

1158
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: up and faking it till you make it. But it's

1159
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: literally like that fight or flight response. The opposite is

1160
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: the only the only move you got is a lean

1161
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: into the odysty and be like, guys, I don't know

1162
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 2: if it's gonna happen, and we need all your help.

1163
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: You know, I really do believe like you said before,

1164
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: people would have came out of it.

1165
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: And look a look at Negro Khan. We I mean,

1166
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: we were looking at beingings and we was like, let's

1167
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: just get one. Uh it's got like one hundred hundred

1168
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: so people can be in here. And I told Chris

1169
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: and when he and not when he told me what

1170
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: the plan was, I said, don't you worry about shit.

1171
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: We will make sure it sold out. I guarantee it,

1172
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: like I don't give like it's like it will sell

1173
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: out because because people we're doing something we know we

1174
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: can do. We can get one hundred people to DC

1175
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: to watch a show. We can do that. You know,

1176
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: we didn't charge your arm and the leg. We didn't

1177
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: get some huge venue. We didn't get you know, we

1178
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: didn't you know, like we didn't pick some location where

1179
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: there's no niggas at like we come on home. You know,

1180
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: like we were like, we can make this happen. And

1181
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 2: we sold those tickets out in less than.

1182
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: Two days, and we actually sold some of the tickets

1183
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: out before the other people even got a chance to.

1184
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: Networks. But and you know, some people had tickets, they

1185
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: bought tickets. They couldn't even come. They just bought tickets

1186
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: to be like, I'll give my tickets a two peep.

1187
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: But that's the support that we have and the trust

1188
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: that we have, and the erosion of that is incalculable.

1189
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how the fuck you get that back

1190
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: when you, you know, essentially abuse it. And I'm not

1191
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: saying she abused it to get the money. I'm saying

1192
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: the abuse happens, and the excuses in the aftermath where

1193
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: people watch watch you live, Change said like you literally

1194
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: said this an hour ago and now you say something different,

1195
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: And people got screenshots and screenshots off forever and Black

1196
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 2: told the CSR was all over this ship.

1197
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: What they was. Everybody got there as soon as that

1198
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 3: email went out, soon as the hotel started sending ship everybody,

1199
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 3: ship is lit up. What's happening. I don't know know

1200
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: about no nerds. Get on the nerds, Black cs I

1201
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: nerded this can get your asses to work, nerds. You know,

1202
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: they was like, get the work nerds, They're like, I

1203
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: don't know about clickings, but y'all better find out who

1204
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: the fuck.

1205
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: Baking them zeros and ones. Let's get it happening. Come on,

1206
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: I need IDs, I need bank accounts, I need everybody

1207
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: his social Security numbers. Come on, give me the ballance sheets.

1208
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: I want screenshots, contracts.

1209
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: Come on. They was like, I don't know a goddamn

1210
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: thing about video games, but you do get the fucking working.

1211
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: They were putting out calls to the they were putting

1212
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: out fucking contracts on this ship.

1213
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 4: Man.

1214
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: It was like, I have not seen people's information put

1215
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: on blast that fast in a while. Like it was

1216
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 2: just everywhere, Like.

1217
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: Right, they got that nerd alert and people went to

1218
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: work like they just they smushed their glasses up on

1219
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: their nose. Come on, they shifted their pocket protectors and

1220
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: with the clicking, I.

1221
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: Was like, damn, that was fast. Well did not see

1222
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: that coming.

1223
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: But they had people dropping Xbox controllers and PlayStation controllers everywhere.

1224
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 3: What right, I got to get the work. We're wain't

1225
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: a live chat wing destiny. I got to go y'all.

1226
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so, like I said, part of the other

1227
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: part of this that makes me think, like could you

1228
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: have done this. Also why saying, look, we can't afford

1229
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: to pay people to calm do be speakers this year,

1230
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: So that means some of y'all have If you want

1231
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: to do this and you want to present you on teat,

1232
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: we don't have the money to put up your hotel

1233
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: and stuff. We may not get the coolest guests now,

1234
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 2: we may not get the celebrities that we want.

1235
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 3: But this is year one and people would have been understanding.

1236
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: But we make the audience, the people will come right.

1237
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: And also you find out that your ideals are not

1238
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: as easy as you thought that. It's that thing. I

1239
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: said this on Twitter whilebever It's like, are is it

1240
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: that the people in power don't have the right solutions

1241
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: or the people with the solutions realize that that solutions

1242
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: don't work once they get in power. You know which

1243
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: one is it? It's gotta be one of those two. Like,

1244
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: is it is it that only bad people get powered?

1245
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: Or is it just that one? It's hard to fucking

1246
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: hurt cats, no matter how the fuck you thought about it. Yeah,

1247
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: when you're sitting at home thinking about it and you

1248
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: figure out the perfect plan, you find out, actually it

1249
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: don't work. That way. You know, cats don't give a

1250
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,959
Speaker 2: fuck what your plan is, right.

1251
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 3: Right, Someone I'm gonna sit and do nothing. Some Mo'm

1252
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 3: gonna run, Someone'm gonna hide. Some I'm gonna actually attack you.

1253
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: And it's easier to take shots from the side and

1254
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 2: then than to try to do these things. And to

1255
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: a certain extent, like I said, I have a joint

1256
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: then on the roast and the and the ship because

1257
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: I just feel bad for everybody involved. I feel bad

1258
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: for the people that's out of their money. I feel bad.

1259
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 3: I feel bad for the organizers that had good intentions,

1260
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 3: whichever ones that were. It really was like I was

1261
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: here and I'm finding out just like y'o, right, Like

1262
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: the only thing I really was like, okay, I have

1263
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 3: no excuse for that was the lies on the on

1264
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: the on the at back end, because you one way,

1265
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: you're lying to the other, and it looked real scammy.

1266
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: And then it's feeding right into the people who hate you.

1267
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: Like the people who hate you, they've been there the

1268
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: whole time. They the baseline, They the drum beat. Now

1269
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: people are listening to them because it's like they're doing

1270
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,959
Speaker 2: solos right now because it's like, you know what, maybe

1271
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: you were right all alone, like one time this didn't

1272
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: turn my email like okay in two thousand and five,

1273
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 2: And that's how I knew. That's how I knew. You're like, uh,

1274
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 2: you sound like you've been.

1275
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 3: Mad for a while, you know, I sound like everybody right,

1276
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 3: like I don't know.

1277
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: That we should be listening to you. But in the

1278
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: absence of a real narrative and the absence of honesty,

1279
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: guess who they are all listening to the people with

1280
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: the pitchforks like burn this motherfucker damn radio head trash

1281
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: handing through the window like I know, like like you

1282
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: turn it that. But I've just always been the kind

1283
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: of person where I'm like, I'd rather attempt to do

1284
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: something smaller or something that I know I can do

1285
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: and it turned out to be a success, correct, then

1286
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: the opposite to do something too big and it turns

1287
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: out to be a failure that hurts more for me.

1288
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: But that's just the way I live my life. Some

1289
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: people like swing big, miss big, that's the best way

1290
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: to go through life. And I mean, it's so recent,

1291
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: I don't expect like some of this ship might really

1292
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: blow over. I don't mean it in an easy sense.

1293
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: And I know it doesn't feel like it could not

1294
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 3: the people's money that is fucked up, but in.

1295
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: General most people, but I've seen people tweet through it.

1296
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: I've seen people take a break, come back six months later,

1297
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: three months later. You know, people just move the fuck on.

1298
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: Some people will always talk shit about you. Some people

1299
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 2: will always remember the low moments. It doesn't have to

1300
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: be the end. You know, maybe you can find a

1301
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: way to you say it, you say it's postponed. Maybe

1302
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: you can get with some sponsors, some people behind, some

1303
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 2: people that know what they're doing, and make the event

1304
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: happen anyway. You know, maybe you can't. You know, maybe

1305
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: you can take out a loan of credit for your

1306
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 2: for your business. You know, these are there's there's there's

1307
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: things out there to kind of help. But uh yeah,

1308
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, I just feel more bad for everybody. I

1309
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: don't really have any party and I'm not even angry,

1310
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: like you know, and and honestly, and for disclosure, part

1311
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: of reason we missed this waivers because I hate cons

1312
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 2: so so so like I would not have really wanted

1313
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: to be affiliated with something anyway, if you know, unless

1314
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: we were getting invited to speak or some shit. Why

1315
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: the fuck would I want to go because I don't

1316
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: like people, large groups, lines, sweating.

1317
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: You know.

1318
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: It's a lot of the cons, all right, it's a

1319
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 2: lot of shit I don't want to do for you know,

1320
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 2: just just to do.

1321
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: I got gonna pay you to walk around and stand

1322
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: in line, like nigga, I'll watch Votron on TV. You know.

1323
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: But that's me.

1324
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1325
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: Cons are some people's ship like that. They love that,

1326
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: you know, they love that shit.

1327
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 3: I've only been to a few. I think I may

1328
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: have been on the floor.

1329
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: Like once or but it just ain't for me. We've

1330
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: gone to a couple too, and I and even when

1331
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: I was there, I was like this is for Karen

1332
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 2: the whole time, like, yeah, baby, we're gonna stand in line. Whoa,

1333
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: this is so fun standing in line. Ooh we almost

1334
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: we almost constably saw somebody famous. I don't know what

1335
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 2: that was. What's all them people looking at.

1336
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 3: You know?

1337
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: But yeah it's you know, this is also why that

1338
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: that knowledge and expertise matters. Man Like, if you don't

1339
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 2: got the time to do something, pay the people that

1340
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: do got the time. Come on, but uh vet people,

1341
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: and then if you do and if something still happens,

1342
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: and you do just get God, you gotta turn around

1343
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: and tell people I got got and.

1344
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 3: Be truthful because that's the thing. Transparency matters. And for

1345
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 3: the people that was root for you, they understand that part,

1346
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 3: but the people ain't. You ain't never gonna convince them, folks,

1347
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 3: but you're never gonna get everybody.

1348
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: The biggest gift I gave myself twenty eighteen twenty seventeen

1349
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: was two things. One, I don't need to wait on

1350
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: somebody else to have closure. Fuck them, you know what

1351
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, sometimes they people will manipulate you and

1352
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: hold that shit from you, and they'll try to use

1353
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 2: that shit to to you know, to Yeah, they're trying

1354
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: to use it against you, you know, or I know

1355
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: you waiting for the day that I ad meant that

1356
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 2: I was wrong about this so that I'm fucking up,

1357
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: or that I did. Fuck them. I can't wait on them.

1358
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: I have to move on for myself. The second thing

1359
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: I gave myself was the ability like and this actually

1360
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: happened a few years ago because we do this podcast.

1361
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: Some people ain't gonna like you and they never will,

1362
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 2: and you the most important part of that is not

1363
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: that part that part is easy, y'all. Everybody famous, not famous,

1364
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: doing something, not doing something creative, not creative. We all

1365
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 2: know some people ain't gonna like us for good or

1366
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: bad reasons, right, we don't like somebody for good or

1367
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: bad reasons. That's not That's not the part that that

1368
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 2: that at least was revolutionary for me. The part that

1369
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 2: was a revelation to me was it's not my fucking business.

1370
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: If you don't like me, change my entire fucking life.

1371
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 2: I honestly cannot tell y'all how refreshing it has been

1372
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,560
Speaker 2: to be like, Lea, look this motherfucker don't like me,

1373
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: don't come tell me about it. I'm not gonna go

1374
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: looking for it. Talk about me wherever the fuck you

1375
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: want to talk about me. Leave me out of it.

1376
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: Don't tag me to it. For motherfuckers show up and

1377
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 2: be like they were talking about you. Like if they

1378
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: ain't want to say it to my face, leave it

1379
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: on the playground. Shout out to Monique, like, motherfuckers will

1380
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 2: lie about you. I've been lied on at this point.

1381
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: I've had motherfuckers tell the most unkindness of truths. At

1382
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 2: this point, I've had motherfuckers that you know, smile in

1383
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 2: my face. But low Ki, don't really fuck with me.

1384
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: I've had, you know, all this shit I've had at

1385
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: this point, Oh, my fucking podcast. Right, over the years,

1386
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 3: we've had crazy people, lunatic talkers, and they yeah, they

1387
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 3: still out there.

1388
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fucking podcast.

1389
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 3: You understand.

1390
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: We're not on TV, we not famous, We can't just

1391
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 2: I can still go to the grocery store. Nobody know

1392
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 2: what the fuck I am. Right, This is not like

1393
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: at no point that I think, oh yeah, at one

1394
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 2: day I'll have my motherfuckers that call my phone and

1395
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: say crazy shit like I never thought that, right, But

1396
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: I've had that just from doing this, and I already

1397
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: am like mmmm too much. Right. But one of the

1398
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: gifts that I gave myself was being like, Okay, you

1399
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: don't gotta like me. I used to. There's a part

1400
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 2: of me, like every human being, my hoop path, unless

1401
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: your social path. There's a party that won't say everybody

1402
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: thinking you finally like you. But that's the control freaking you.

1403
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: The true party you should be saying you ain't gonna

1404
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 2: like me. Just leave me out of it.

1405
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 3: Just leave me and leave me alone.

1406
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: Somebody right now, hoping I fuck up. Somebody every day

1407
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: hoping I do something, say something fucked up. They helping

1408
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 2: care and do something, say fucked up. They hope my

1409
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: show does something fucked up whatever, so they can finally

1410
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: get get out, get their tea off, and be like, oh,

1411
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: I hate them niggas. Let me tell you about that time.

1412
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 2: You know, like, there's everybody got people like that. You

1413
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 2: know everybody has people like that. But I just stopped

1414
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 2: feeding me into it. I stopped dealing with it. And

1415
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: more or importantly, I don't do the other thing that

1416
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: many people I feel like it's a mistake to do.

1417
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 2: You start living to like to prove something to those

1418
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: people by being the opposite right. And I wonder if

1419
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 2: that's what happened with this. If you're living to prove

1420
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 2: the haters that look at me, I'm shining, I can

1421
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: do anything. I'm out here making it look easy. Nothing's

1422
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: wrong over here. And because you didn't want to admit

1423
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 2: the weakness, you end up falling right into the trap

1424
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: of this is a time where the big ass community

1425
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 2: you built could have been resource to fix this. And

1426
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: because you don't want to give your haters any ammunition,

1427
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 2: because they're gonna say what you're scamming. You ain't shit.

1428
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: Y'all know that money ain't blah blah blah.

1429
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 3: Y'all got more than twice the kickstart the wiring a

1430
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 3: because when we got more than twice, we probably said,

1431
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: let's do bigger than what we've fucking thought we could do.

1432
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's that kind of shit. So you try

1433
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: to please everyone all the time. You know you don't

1434
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: want to let anyone down, and you know you don't

1435
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 2: want to tell them like, well, we might not get

1436
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: this person to talk, we might not get we might Okay,

1437
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 2: look we would love for you to talk. We can't

1438
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 2: pay you. You know you're gonna have to get your

1439
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: own hotel in flight, and I totally understand if you

1440
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,919
Speaker 2: don't want to do it, no hard feelings, completely understand,

1441
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: and we love if you would do it. But you know,

1442
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 2: maybe if we can't afford it this year, maybe next year,

1443
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: maybe the year after that, we'll get big enough and

1444
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: one day will come. You know, that's totally fine, totally

1445
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: professional way to handle it, and to stay you end

1446
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 2: up with this mess. Man, I just feel so bad

1447
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: for everyone. So you know, you can't can't catch yourself

1448
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 2: living to prove people wrong. Man, you gotta live your

1449
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: life with integrity, honestly the best way that you can, authenticity,

1450
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: the best way that you can, and the real the

1451
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: real see you know what I'm saying, The real people

1452
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: will see. They'll be like, you know what, man, I

1453
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: fuck with this person and I know that they wouldn't

1454
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: do this, or I know that you know, like cause really,

1455
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: the only thing that can really saw some of this

1456
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 2: shits people being like, you know, I know Jamie and

1457
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: she wouldn't do this. You know, that's the only thing

1458
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 2: that's gonna stop it. The lawsuits and all this shit

1459
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: is just hey, man, something must have happened because she

1460
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. But you got a lot of people

1461
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: coming out being like, well, actually I work for her

1462
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: and just bar of the course, so you know she

1463
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: does stuff like this and shit like that, and now

1464
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: it's like damn, you know what I mean. Like, So, anyway,

1465
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: they do have a lot of other alternatives in the area.

1466
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 2: You can go on Twitter and see like people are

1467
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: promoting like there's a tumblr, there's a there's a pop

1468
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: up con, There's all kinds of stuff. I don't live

1469
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: in the area, but I know.

1470
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: They better come to down with throwing events. You know,

1471
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 3: you can come and pick up with us.

1472
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: Joy is on Twitter. Jump for Joy, Chris and Sandy

1473
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: check he's on Twitter. They're you know, branding is interviewing

1474
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 2: people for Where's myn forty ECUs. He's interviewing cos players

1475
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: and vendors and stuff like. I really love us. I

1476
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: really love how people took a crisis essentially and said

1477
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: we'll find.

1478
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: A way to still help people get on. That's so dope,

1479
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: that's so beautiful. That's part of the story too. Let's

1480
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 3: never lose that. And that's part of the community too.

1481
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: Right, like lost in the pettiness and the roasting and

1482
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: the jokes and all the shit. I really think the

1483
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: people that you know are putting time aside to come in,

1484
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: come in and clean this up for folks. Super dope,

1485
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: super dope, and that you know, that's that's all it matters,

1486
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, for for for that part, because right now

1487
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 2: causes sunk costs. If you're coming, you're coming. Maybe maybe

1488
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 2: they can salvage something out of this. And I bet

1489
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting if that ship went was the thing

1490
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: that became an annual, an annual con con and shit

1491
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 2: all right. What other things happened to the news. R

1492
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 2: Kelly dropped by his publicism lawyer. Reports have come in

1493
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: confirming his publicist and lawyer have several times of the

1494
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 2: singer lend of me. Kelly's entertainment lawyer confirmed the BBC

1495
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: News that she's no longer representing mister Kelly or his entities.

1496
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: The BBC also reported that Diane Copelands, Kelly's assistant, has quit. Additionally,

1497
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 2: Kelly's publicist is out. It comes in the midst of

1498
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 2: new allegations against the sayinger claiming he knowingly and intentionally

1499
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: infected a nineteen year old woman he was grooming for

1500
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 2: sex code with an STD. Yeah. It's from a new

1501
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: BBC documentary called R. Kelly Sex Girls and Videotapes, Holy Shit,

1502
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 2: which details years of allegations and sexual Misconductlet's see what's

1503
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: interesting is in uh, Europe, England, whatever, Britain they got

1504
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 2: laws against grooming. Grooming is when you take a girl

1505
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: who's like underage and shit and wait, even if you

1506
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: try to wait till she's the right, you know, legal age,

1507
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: have sex.

1508
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 3: Right.

1509
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: They're like, you started this relationship.

1510
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 3: When she was so we don't have that in the

1511
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 3: in the US, we don't even have Like, no, they

1512
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 3: want you to marrying when it's six right, right, she's.

1513
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 2: Thirteen, she's marrying age. I don't understand. It's Indiana, I know, right, Uh.

1514
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: At any rate, it's it's wild that this is just

1515
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: now when they're stepping off.

1516
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 3: BBC is like, this should have leagued over here we

1517
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 3: go America. You ain't gonna go cover this shit, but

1518
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: we'll cover it.

1519
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1520
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 3: I just think it's wild that they waited till now.

1521
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 3: Come on, but you think you get a reward you knew, right,

1522
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 3: like you really tell you know what?

1523
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: You know what?

1524
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 3: Money dried up. That's when people are not trying to

1525
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 3: find it. That's when people start separating. Oh, you can't pay,

1526
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 3: don't know about what we're gonna contract with you. Every

1527
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 3: time your name comes up I have to deal with

1528
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 3: that's your clients. I think they got enough of that

1529
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 3: and money started shriveling up and drying up. So they

1530
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: was like, I'm out because people like that. The still

1531
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 3: stayed this long despite all the other bullshit that's been

1532
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 3: coming out of all these years and decades. Once that

1533
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 3: money stopped throwing your way, all of a sudden, you

1534
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 3: get a moral compass, right.

1535
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: Hard to believe it's the goodness of your heart at

1536
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: this point, Right, that's that's a lot to buy. Uh.

1537
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it was Vince Staples comments when we called, well

1538
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 2: he was talking about him at uh Coachella, But I

1539
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: doubt it, you know, all right, man, we talked a

1540
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: long time already. Let's uh, let's do some uh guess

1541
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 2: the race. We gotta start wrapping up, guys. I'm sorry.

1542
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,879
Speaker 2: I know it's gonna take that long talk about finding.

1543
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: It was the talk of the town almost fucking weekend

1544
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 3: day too, Like literally, y'all.

1545
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 2: I did consider not even talking about it, but then

1546
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 2: I was just like, fucking everybody's already talking about this ship.

1547
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: If you're black, I'm sure, I mean, you know, in

1548
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: the big scheme of things, white people probably don't even

1549
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: know what the sh it is. But so we're talking

1550
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 2: about it because we niggas. All Right, guess the race time?

1551
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 3: Now that it is time for some guys stuff race last, right,

1552
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 3: it's guest the race time. Now that is time for

1553
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 3: some guest the race. Last rider's guest the race time?

1554
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 2: Last right, it's time for guests the race. Then a

1555
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: more gage sho'll going across all the podcast land. We

1556
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: were gonna play news artists from all over the globe,

1557
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 2: and we asked our contestants today Karen and the chat

1558
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 2: room to guests Bays Santa chat Room, everyone plays long

1559
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: and they are racist. A man wearing a cap with

1560
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump's make America Great Again slogan hurled racial

1561
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: slurs at a Hispanic man before pushing him onto the

1562
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: tracks at a Manhattan subway station. The New York Police

1563
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: Department says Saturday, the attacker, we're in a red, red

1564
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: hat and red T shirt with the slogan, became verbally

1565
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 2: abusing the man while on the northbound four train. He

1566
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: then allegedly followed the victim out of the train at

1567
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 2: Union Square station, pushed him repeatedly in the head, and

1568
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 2: pushed him on to the tracks before running away. What

1569
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: A friend of the of the victim helped him off

1570
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 2: the tracks and he was taking the hospital was treated

1571
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 2: for cuts on his head. The attacker allegedly heurld a

1572
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 2: series of racially derogatory insults at the man while attacking him.

1573
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: So I was like, hey, crime this then it comes

1574
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: Eight days after Danish tourist wearing a mega cap was

1575
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: held up at nine point at rob for his hat

1576
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: at the same station. Well that's different, Karen, I guess

1577
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: the race of the person that pushed the person onto tracks.

1578
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 3: Oh white, they voted for Trump, all right.

1579
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: White, Let's check the chat room. Who is halfing the time?

1580
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: White says Jane, White says fine wine, White says my

1581
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: nerv nazy, White says trace swind Black says cast alway,

1582
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: going all the way off the map works at Marilago?

1583
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 2: White satan red? Was that white as well? Was that

1584
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 2: white shake? Anyway? Sounds like most of you guys went

1585
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 2: with white except for one person. And that one person

1586
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: is the only person that got it right. This was

1587
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: a black man. Now, some people, the one person that

1588
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: got to right. You get the golf clap, because I

1589
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: don't know how you got that. You must have cheat it.

1590
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: That literally is wow, right, And that's an a black

1591
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: just a black ass like would definitely get arrested for

1592
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 2: sitting at Starbucks, definitely, And he got here pushing our

1593
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: Hispanic brethren into the train tracks and colon racial slurs.

1594
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 3: Right, that person could have died if a train pulled up.

1595
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know who in the chat room cheating.

1596
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 2: But y'all gotta stop cheating. Okay. The fund of the

1597
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 2: game is that we don't know and we're guessing, and

1598
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: we'll go on o context because everybody gets black. I'm

1599
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: gonna check your performance enhancing drugs. Okay. A nine one

1600
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 2: one operator who didn't want to talk to anyone and

1601
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: hung up people, uh, hung up on calls has now

1602
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: been just to jail.

1603
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 3: M mm hm number one, I'm having a heart attack.

1604
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell your doll. Take some

1605
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 3: madal click?

1606
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 2: Why are you playing on my phone? By click?

1607
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 3: I just called him having a heart attack, like I

1608
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 3: told you before, ma'am, get off the phone so we

1609
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 3: can talk about real emergency.

1610
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: Call another operator, please, I'm business.

1611
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 3: They're gonna start rewriting shit. They're gonna still incoming calling.

1612
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 3: They're gonna push it to somebody else's line.

1613
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: Words with friends, not gonna win itself. Okay. A former

1614
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 2: nine one one operator in Houston was sentenced to jail

1615
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: time and probation for hanging up on emergency calls.

1616
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 3: I hope they know they record all these calls.

1617
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 2: Right right, No, you know this call is being recorded.

1618
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 2: A jury found forty four year old Crinshanda Williams guilty

1619
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: of interference with emergency telephone calls, a misdemeanors. She would

1620
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 2: have to spend ten days in jail at eighteen months

1621
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: on probation. The judge also ordered Williams to attend the

1622
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: decision making class and write an apology letter that decision

1623
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: making class.

1624
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 3: Right.

1625
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 2: Can I volunteer some other people to go, hello me

1626
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:38,480
Speaker 2: get this? Can we make this a thing? Uh? Williams,

1627
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: who worked as a navel on operator for a year

1628
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: and a half until August twenty sixteen, she systemically hung

1629
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: up on people that were took to the report emergencies

1630
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: ranging from homicides and traffic violations. What right?

1631
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 3: Somebody called you because they getting stabbed and you was

1632
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 3: like you tying up my line, bitch? Click.

1633
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 2: Maybe she got tired of those calls about accusing black

1634
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 2: people sitting around doing nothing. There's two black people at

1635
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 2: putting narrow bread and I think something's going on. Click.

1636
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,520
Speaker 2: The allegation service when the Houston Emergency Center officials Noticefied

1637
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: noticed that Williams had a large number of calls that

1638
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: lasted less than twenty seconds, known as short calls. No one,

1639
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: how can I help you? Hell, mom fell downstairs and click.

1640
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 2: It was not emergency, according to the prosecutors. Record showed

1641
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 2: that Williams had hung up on thousands of short calls.

1642
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 2: What how O people were dead now? Jim Moulten said

1643
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 2: he died now when one of twenty sixteen to report

1644
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 2: two vehicles speeding down the interstate, Well, I mean this

1645
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: nigga cons for no reason. Moulton thought that the call

1646
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: had dropped when it ended only forty five seconds after,

1647
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 2: but he was actually hung up on by Williams. According

1648
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: to court document, she hung up the phone and said,

1649
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: ain't nobody got time for this? For real?

1650
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 3: Why is she was trying to get back on Twitter

1651
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 3: to see what was popping off? Y'all wasting her mother working?

1652
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 2: Die this fan cond shit is going down and you

1653
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 2: will for here distracted me at work.

1654
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 3: About some speeding vehicles nigga money.

1655
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: No, if someone calls in to report an incident, whether

1656
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 2: the person feels this is an emergency or not, you

1657
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 2: should have you should have time for it, said Moulton.

1658
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 2: Williams had told investigations she hung up on the calls

1659
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 2: because she didn't want to talk to anyone.

1660
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,440
Speaker 3: Your whole job is talking.

1661
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 2: Not playing on her phone. Care the citizens of Harrison,

1662
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 2: Harrison County relied. Now, I want to operate as a

1663
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 2: dispatch to helping the time of need, said District Attorney

1664
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Lauren Reader in the statement, So guess the raise, guys.

1665
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: Care, I'm going black. If it's a white woman by

1666
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,440
Speaker 3: that name, I'll be shocked.

1667
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 2: Right Krin Shanda Williams yep, Kerence Shandon Williams'll check the chatter,

1668
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 2: I will be shocked. Resume has been throwing the trash

1669
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 2: on several occasions, Black Christian shindo with a neck roll

1670
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 2: and ain't here for your problems. And now on one

1671
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 2: black got practiced awoarding bill collectors before car out d

1672
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: black best. She got long ass acrylic nails and smacks

1673
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 2: her gum hell aloud herd at black black ass. Fuck.

1674
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 2: This was her part time because she employed as a

1675
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: black Twitter CSI black. She ain't have the minutes on

1676
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: her phone. Black should have called on tyrone instead. Black,

1677
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: I'm about to make take my break. Ain't nobody got

1678
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: time for that black the correct as it is black.

1679
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I was about to say if this one was

1680
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 3: about to be wrong, I was like white folks is

1681
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 3: sucking it up then, because I wouldn't have guessed it.

1682
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: Nah, Criscenda is definitely a black woman. Criscenda Williams. That

1683
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: was almost didn't feel y'all's guesses. That's how I was like,

1684
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 2: if y'all missed this, just don't listen to the show. No,

1685
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: all right, let's go to the bonus round. Double it

1686
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: up on the race, double it up, saying the race.

1687
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: That's right, double the points, double the racism, and bonus

1688
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: round to guess the race. So far, caring is one

1689
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 2: and one, as are most people. Okay, but let's see

1690
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: how she does in the bonus round.

1691
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 3: I'm surprised. So her sentence was so louder in the

1692
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: last one.

1693
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: I know, right, she got a white woman sentence that

1694
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 2: that's that much is true?

1695
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 3: Come on, that's what I would say. If this is

1696
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 3: a white woman, I know she had an l Well, ever,

1697
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 3: have a hard time get the job?

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01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 2: How much time we got? Okay? Cool? Police. A woman

1699
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: was jail Wednesday for leaving her two children home along

1700
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 2: while she was intoxicated at Texas Apple Bee's.

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01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: Oh I'm not the bees. What were they doing? The

1702
01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 3: Margarita s festialis and.

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01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 2: Ship must have been. Priscilla Marisol Floras, thirty four, was

1704
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 2: charged with two counts of child in abandonment with intent

1705
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: to return.

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 3: She also cited for publicturn.

1707
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was gonna. She was planning on coming back

1708
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,919
Speaker 2: to get them kids. She was also cited for publican taxication.

1709
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: At one am Wednesday, police officers responding to Applebee's for

1710
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: a reporter of disturbments said they found an intoxicated woman

1711
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 2: dancing on top of the bar.

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01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: Oh.

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01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 2: The woman was identified as Flora. As she was in coherent,

1714
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 2: had bloodshot eyes that could not balance herself. She allegedly

1715
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,839
Speaker 2: became alligitorly towards the officers and cursed at them. Officers

1716
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 2: said they found out that she lived at a nearby

1717
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 2: apartment complex. Their officers said they discovered the two children,

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01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: both twelve years old, asleep in separate rooms with no

1719
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 2: adult supervision. Police said they took Floryd's to the headquarters

1720
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 2: to book her.

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01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 3: Guess, Drace, I'm gonna say latin nix.

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01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 2: All right, let's check the chat room. See what y'all

1723
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 2: believe you ever got down at the apple Bees. No

1724
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 2: white Latino, So there's no way kid those kids were

1725
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:10,759
Speaker 2: home alone? Ah not long not dollar long Alan tease.

1726
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: Oh look that's all right. LATINICX, LATINICX do the Mexican

1727
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:19,839
Speaker 2: hat dance, LATINICX Latino, Latin white passing Latina Hispanic Latina

1728
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 2: here for the Margarita's Latina deported by Long Island iced tease, Latina,

1729
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 2: LATINIX and LATINX in the mix. The correct answer is,

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01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: and you guys mostly got it right latinix. Did anyone

1731
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: get it wrong? I don't know. I feel like y'all

1732
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: got it right. So uh but yeah, she she she

1733
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 2: did that shill shuck. Wow, that's I mean, sometimes you

1734
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 2: got blo steam. I mean, twelve is enough to you know,

1735
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 2: niggas sleep for a couple of hours, right, I don't

1736
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: know enough about its. So I ain't got nothing.

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01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 3: I don't got nothing.

1738
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,759
Speaker 2: I'll come back mad as hell. Do you really, nigga,

1739
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 2: you couldn't stay asleep a couple more hours? Shit? All right?

1740
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 2: Sore ratchiness. A sword wilding man broke into a Saint

1741
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 2: Helen's home in a case of mistaken identity. Residents in

1742
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 2: Saint Helen's were terrorized when a sored will and burglar

1743
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 2: forced his way into their home last night. And the

1744
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 2: possible case of mistaken identity. Police will call to a

1745
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 2: house on Bruce Street around ten twenty five pm, so

1746
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 2: leave that. After that, after an altercation at the house

1747
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 2: next door to the burglar next door, the burglar ran

1748
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 2: from the scene. Officer said. The victims and the incident

1749
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 2: were left extremely shaken, but no one's injured. House to house,

1750
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 2: forensic witnesses wait house the house forensic and witness in

1751
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: court Okay, I don't know what house house is a

1752
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 2: witness in court. Equerries are ongoing to establish the zact circumstances.

1753
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 2: Detective Chief Inspector Chris Stepton Sefton. Sefton said this was

1754
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 2: an appalling incident which has clearly left everyone involved extremely shaken,

1755
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 2: although thankfully nobody was injured. We are keeping an open

1756
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 2: mind as to the motive, but it initially appears to

1757
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 2: be a case of mistaken identity. I want to reassure

1758
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: the victims in the wider community that we will do

1759
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 2: everything in our power to find the person responsible for this.

1760
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 2: If you know who is responsible, or witness anyone acting

1761
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 2: suspiciously in the area of last night, please come forward

1762
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 2: and we will act on all information provided to force

1763
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 2: your way and so on and home is disgraceful. We

1764
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 2: are committed to taking these people on their weapons from

1765
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 2: the streets of Saint Helen's, so they still ain't caught them, y'all.

1766
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 2: So if ye ain't Saint Helen's, be careful. Lock your doors,

1767
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 2: don't answer it to those strange people. If your neighbors

1768
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 2: having some problems, you know, make sure you keep your

1769
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 2: shit locked. Okay, it is happening out here in these streets.

1770
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 2: It's real, all right, guys. We'll be back tomorrow. Thank

1771
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 2: you so much for listening. We appreciate y'all. I hope

1772
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 2: you enjoyed our this too much on Atlanta and all

1773
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. Listening to Karen on add Space

1774
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 2: ad Space actually I think it is the name of it,

1775
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 2: but yeah, fell with add but listening to her there

1776
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 2: and appreciate y'all. Until next time. I love you, nah,