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Speaker 1: to be back. I had a long siesta. I went

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Speaker 1: with my son to Iceland. It was his dream trip.

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Speaker 1: he's picked Iceland and it was. It was absolutely wonderful,

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Speaker 1: and we got about forty five minutes. Tonight, we're going

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Speaker 1: to do thirty to thirty five minutes with Jason Timpf

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Speaker 1: of hoops tonight. We're going to have a breakdown. He's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 1: I will say this about because I don't take a

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Speaker 1: lot of weak vacations. But I found as I've gotten older,

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Speaker 1: I sort of prune my trees, my sports tree. You know.

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Speaker 1: I have five things I love. I love the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I love major college football. I love the NBA playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I love the World Cup. And I love a great

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Speaker 1: UFC fight. I'm going to go to early July. I'm

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Speaker 1: love those five things. I like March Madness. I don't

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Speaker 1: really like a great baseball playoff game in October. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not as invested in baseball or college basketball as

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Speaker 1: I was ten fifteen years ago. And I've said this

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Speaker 1: in my private life. In my personal life, I'm the

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Speaker 1: same way I've pruned my tree. I love my family,

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Speaker 1: I love my job, and I love international travel. And

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Speaker 1: I've kind of made a commitment. My wife and I

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Speaker 1: want to do more international travel. And I'm just really

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Speaker 1: one at the end of the summer. So it was

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Speaker 1: just nice. This is if you have a chance. I

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Speaker 1: ran into a lot of Americans, a lot of Europeans,

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Speaker 1: you don't think of it as a rich country. It's

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Speaker 1: amazing how smart they are with their money. You know.

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Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles where we have a subway system,

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Speaker 1: I've never met anybody in Los Angeles that has used

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Speaker 1: because lots of people live in downtown Chicago. In downtown

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Speaker 1: So when I even in the city, I live in

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Speaker 1: what I want to do is park further away. I'm like, Uber,

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Speaker 1: sure I could be wrong, but I appreciate when I

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Speaker 1: go to Europe and I see these countries and these

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Speaker 1: I was as I was watching the Miami Heat even

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Speaker 1: that and I've noted this before the NFL, it all

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Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony or a Carl Malone they get dropped. They

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Speaker 1: I think Jokic is a fascinating player because there's a

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Speaker 1: Bill Russell got to eleven finals, Magic got to nine,

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Speaker 1: I feel like with Russell, Lebron and Magic, what was

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Speaker 1: Jokic is the ability to not only be great, but

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Speaker 1: much more than just points. In fact, I thought Miami

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Speaker 2: And you know we.

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Speaker 1: Reward that and credit that and give MVPs to great

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Speaker 1: You will consistently get to more finals that way. So

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Speaker 1: I know Denver feels like the world is disrespecting them.

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Speaker 1: They've never won, they just lost home court advantage in

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Speaker 1: They're very good. Getting to the finals does not make

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any disrespect for Denver. But we

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Speaker 1: I still like Denver, but you know, I have so

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying this is going to

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Speaker 1: I thought it was fantastic. I don't know what you want.

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Speaker 1: I thought it gave you everything you want. A close

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Speaker 1: I thought there was clever coaching on both ends. So

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Speaker 1: was a great story. So Denver and Jokic going for

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Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating final. Let's bring on Jason

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Speaker 3: Colin, what is going on with the Miami Heat right now?

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're a believer in analytics, this was great

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Speaker 1: analytic basketball. They hit forty nine percent on threes, and

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Speaker 1: I thought Denver waited way too long to shoot threes.

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Speaker 1: It's like, guys, we got a minute forty here threes only,

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Speaker 1: and I mean they they Denver can give you threes,

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Speaker 1: and certainly wasn't bad from beyond the arc. But this

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Speaker 1: Denver's gonna Denver's just long Gordon and Porter. But again,

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Speaker 1: They're built for analytics. They're Center Bama to Bay. You

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Speaker 1: Well, and they also what Miami did is Denver's only

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Speaker 3: the genius in it is Yokic is so damn good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this has been something I've been on

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Speaker 1: what we would have called him in the seventies and eighties.

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Speaker 1: He's a great score. You don't really classify him as

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Speaker 1: an MVP level player. And to your point is, it's

432
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Speaker 1: hard to find to me an all time great player

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Speaker 1: Kobe MJ that either was a great defensive player in

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Speaker 1: his prime Kareem, or it was at least a willing defender,

435
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Speaker 1: Steph KD willing defenders, John Stockton, Isaiah they're willing defenders.

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Speaker 1: This is where I don't know if Isaiah was Stockton

437
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Speaker 1: was a willing defender. So to your point is, you know,

438
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Speaker 1: I always think about it if I was Miami. There's

439
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Speaker 1: a lot of things you could sell players on because

440
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Speaker 1: they do practice. You know, they work you, They really

441
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Speaker 1: demand a lot of you. But it's such an easy sell.

442
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Speaker 1: You can say, listen, guys, it's the best weather in

443
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Speaker 1: the entire Eastern Conference. Yeah, the bluest water, no state tax,

444
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: no chaos in the building. This is a great organization.

445
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Speaker 1: What we're going to ask of you is to play

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Speaker 1: your ass off on both ends. That's the ask, and

447
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Speaker 1: I think Golden State's been able to do that, Like

448
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Speaker 1: we will outspend the salary cap. We don't care. New

449
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: arena coming. We'll pay everybody. But you got to play

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Speaker 1: on the defensive end. It's not about you. It's got

451
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Speaker 1: to be Greg Popovich once said, you got to get

452
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Speaker 1: over yourself. If you want to be part of a dynasty,

453
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Speaker 1: at some point, you have to get over yourself. And

454
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Speaker 1: this is not just a shot at mellow, but this

455
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Speaker 1: idea that we just worship these and I love the NBA,

456
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Speaker 1: but we worship these players who just don't give you

457
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Speaker 1: an effort on the defensive end. It just doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Those are non championship players. They're fun. I loved World

459
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Speaker 1: Be Free. I love George Gervin. You got to give

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Speaker 1: me something. And when I watch Miami play, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's if you told me somebody just dived on the

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Speaker 1: floor for the heat. I'd be like, why Jimmy Butler.

463
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Speaker 1: Larry Bird, by the way, I would guess, oh, Larry Bird.

464
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Speaker 1: I love that style of basketball, I really do.

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Speaker 3: I was literally thinking about that when I was watching

466
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Speaker 3: bam ade Bio in that fourth quarter, and and how

467
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Speaker 3: I want to work on with my coverage of the league,

468
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Speaker 3: doing a better job of crediting players who.

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Speaker 4: Do that, because I like bam at a Bio.

470
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Speaker 3: Is nowhere near his gifted as Anthony Davis, and he's

471
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Speaker 3: through two games done such a better job on both

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Speaker 3: ends of the floor. And a huge part of that

473
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Speaker 3: is he's just fighting with more physicality of in position

474
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Speaker 3: battles and he's sprinting his ass off up and down

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Speaker 3: the floor every single possession. One of the biggest ways

476
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Speaker 3: that Joki killed Anthony Davis was just in transition, just

477
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Speaker 3: running and and it's again, it gives you the ability

478
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Speaker 3: to demand perfection from the rest of the roster. I

479
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Speaker 3: think about this a lot with the with the Last

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Speaker 3: Dance and some of the stuff from Michael Jordan and

481
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Speaker 3: and like, and there's a huge movement, especially from Lebron fans,

482
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Speaker 3: to try to paint Michael as this prick who just

483
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Speaker 3: was just treat everybody off, and it's like, I look

484
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Speaker 3: at it completely differently. Michael demanded perfection from his teammates

485
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Speaker 3: because he was in pursuit of that same thing on

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Speaker 3: both ends of the floor, and so it carries more

487
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Speaker 3: weight down the roster. You can ask a bunch of

488
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Speaker 3: undrafted guys and guys that are that don't have the

489
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Speaker 3: necessary level of athleticism and skill that your top players have.

490
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Speaker 3: You can ask them to do a little job perfectly

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Speaker 3: when Jimmy and Bam are not taking any possessions off

492
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Speaker 3: and they're fighting through all that stuff. Again, like fundamentally,

493
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Speaker 3: the two of them guarding Murray and yok It's changed

494
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Speaker 3: the way that Denver was able to generate shots. And

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Speaker 3: so I think I just think it's a super interesting

496
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Speaker 3: thing to look at when when we're looking at team

497
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Speaker 3: development is you've got to have guys at the top

498
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Speaker 3: that are willing to embrace the dirty work because that's

499
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Speaker 3: the only thing that's going to allow you to demand

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Speaker 3: from the rest of the roster. And you're like you

501
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Speaker 3: you mentioned Miami bringing in players, Like that's the next

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Speaker 3: thing out of all this, because I still believe Denver

503
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Speaker 3: will win this series, although I've seen enough from tonight

504
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Speaker 3: to know that Miami has a real chance, which I

505
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Speaker 3: didn't think before tonight. However, like one of the big

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Speaker 3: things to take away from this series if Denver does

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Speaker 3: win is what if Miami got some players, Like what

508
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Speaker 3: if they got some players, Because if they get some

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Speaker 3: players in there, with what Jimmy and Bam can do,

510
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Speaker 3: and with what Eric Spolser can do. That's where it

511
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Speaker 3: gets really scary, because they have all of the other

512
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Speaker 3: odds and ends tied off so perfectly that they maximize

513
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Speaker 3: talent so well that it could it could it could

514
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Speaker 3: really be devastating for the rest of the leader.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, I think there's this natural Let's

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Speaker 1: get Dame down to Miami. But Dame doesn't. So I

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Speaker 1: mean because Bam is a willing defender, Jimmy Butler's excellent defender.

518
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Speaker 1: Lowry's got limitations due to aid Duncan, Robbinson, Tyler Harroll

519
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: are not going to defend. Adding another player that doesn't

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Speaker 1: defend is not necessarily it. That's why, you know, That's

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Speaker 1: why when I threw the name out with the Celtics,

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Speaker 1: but I'll throw it out with Miami. Andrew Wiggins is

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Speaker 1: a very interesting piece. A twitchy, willing defender doesn't need

524
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Speaker 1: to be the leader, could be the second or third

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Speaker 1: best player in your team. Super smart, gets gets the

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Speaker 1: intelligence of the Miami culture. That's the kind of guy,

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Speaker 1: A willing wing defender. So you can have Tyler Harrow

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Speaker 1: on the floor and it's not and I and I

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Speaker 1: and then I look at at the Warriors and I think, oh,

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Speaker 1: what could you get?

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Speaker 2: Well, they they they love to shoot. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And so Miami to your point, I think they could

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Speaker 1: add a piece, but they don't need a flashy piece, right,

534
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Speaker 1: they don't. The culture fit is somebody who is willing,

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Speaker 1: doesn't need headlines, experienced, smart, and and a guy that

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Speaker 1: on the on the wing is a willing defender. So

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Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not saying Andrew Wiggins is the piece,

538
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Speaker 1: but we tend to go, oh, let's put this guy

539
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Speaker 1: who jacks up. That's not really what Miami is. That's

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Speaker 1: not their thing.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: Miami has done a really good job through the years

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Speaker 1: of assessing what they are and also assessing what they're not.

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Speaker 1: And I think I've always been told this in the

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Speaker 1: broadcasting biz when you're building a network, like you have

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Speaker 1: to know your own talent before you can go out

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Speaker 1: and find talent, Like who are our best pieces? And

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Speaker 1: it's sometimes I think ESPN went through a stretch where

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Speaker 1: they didn't recognize some of their own pieces as they

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Speaker 1: were trying to assemble, you know, kind of as George

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Speaker 1: Bodenheimer left, John Skipper came in, there was a c

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Speaker 1: change at the company. And I didn't think they assessed

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Speaker 1: their own talent very well as they were trying to

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Speaker 1: pursue other talent. And I think when I look at Miami,

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Speaker 1: I think Miami totally understands what they are get sort

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Speaker 1: of right now, what they're not, what they need. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Hero is not exactly a perfect fit for Miami.

558
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Speaker 1: Little flaky, little immature, not a defender, doesn't really fit.

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Speaker 2: I could see them. I could see them moving him.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're winning, They're in the finals without him,

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Speaker 1: I could see them moving him and adding a little

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Speaker 2: But then what are they?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because with Tyler Harrow in particular, I

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Speaker 3: think Spolstra and I'm not sure if he was actually

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Speaker 3: ruled as available to tonight or not, or if it

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Speaker 3: was just like a DNP coach's decision, but like it is,

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Speaker 3: our colleague Draymond Green actually did a really good job

583
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Speaker 3: of breaking this down on his show. Just the general

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Speaker 3: idea that like there's a rhythm in a flow to

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Speaker 3: what Miami is doing right now, and to throw a

586
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Speaker 3: new guy into that who has a lot of usage,

587
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: meaning like he's going to control a lot of possessions.

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Speaker 4: It just has a lot We just have a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Opportunity for that to bump the train off the track,

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Speaker 3: so to speak. I do think that in the long run,

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Speaker 3: like they will have to come up with some sort

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Speaker 3: of secondary shot creator, and I think that's why they've

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Speaker 3: been so hesitant to give up Tyler Harra over the years.

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Speaker 4: But like you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, regardless of whether it's Wiggins or it's a

596
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Speaker 3: bigger fish, whoever that guy is has to be someone

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Speaker 3: who's bought in. And for the record, this is something

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Speaker 3: that I think Spolsture has done a really good job of,

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Speaker 3: and I should say pat Riley too. They've been very

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Speaker 3: picky about who they bring in. Have you noticed that,

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Speaker 3: Like they know they can identify pretty like, no, you're

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Speaker 3: not about what we're about, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, a great example of what they're about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And so when you get the you get

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Speaker 3: the right guys. Like the Heat culture thing has been

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00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: said so many times, it's kind of lost some of

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Speaker 3: its meaning, but there is a reality to it in

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Speaker 3: the sense that it's like it's kind of like that

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Speaker 3: epic rant from MJ at the at the Last Dance.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if this is not the way you want

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Speaker 3: to play, go somewhere else, but this is the way

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Speaker 3: we're going to play here. And that's kind of the

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Speaker 3: Miami Heat ideologies. It's like, if you come here, you're

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Speaker 3: going to defend every possession like it's your last, because that's.

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Speaker 4: How we play.

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Speaker 3: And guess what, it helps you beat better teams in

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Speaker 3: the NBA Playoffs, and that's why we do it. We're

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Speaker 3: about winning trophies here and I love that whole idea.

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Speaker 3: So as we go into Miami, Miami's a two point

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Speaker 3: underdog by the way at home.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll split. I think they'll will come back

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Speaker 1: to too. Yeah, I think they're I think these teams.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a coaching chess match.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver's better, but not significantly better. And they've

625
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Speaker 1: never won this thing and this is new territory. I

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Speaker 1: thought tonight Spoe chess match. I thought Spoe was worth

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Speaker 1: three games in the Boston series. I thought he won tonight.

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Speaker 1: I thought he did the tweaking late as Denver's offense

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Speaker 1: dried up. So I don't think Spoe is going to

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Speaker 1: be worth two or three wins in this series because

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Speaker 1: I think Malone's more than capable. I thought Missoula was

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Speaker 1: a little over his head. Maybe I think Joe Missoula.

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Speaker 1: It's a learning experiences. It just happened to be on

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Speaker 1: national TV. It's the worst place for one, but it

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Speaker 1: is what it is. But I think Spo stole one tonight,

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Speaker 1: and I think I think, I think they'll go to

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Speaker 1: Miami split and they'll come back. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: this series is. I think Denver's gonna eventually win close.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if Miami won. I don't buy into

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00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: the Miami. It's gonna get overwhelmed. I think Denver's longer,

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Speaker 1: they're going to get more free, cheap baskets. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, when you live on that three like Miami

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Speaker 1: did tonight, they're going to have longer droughts like Denver's

644
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter was rare. I wrote some notes down tonight.

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Speaker 1: You know, their droughts are a six nothing run. They

646
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Speaker 1: had two droughts. They started the game in a drought

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Speaker 1: and they ended the game in a drought. Like Denver

648
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Speaker 1: really struggled early and really struggled late. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: chess match. That's that's spose opening adjustments and closing adjustments

650
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Speaker 1: in the in the in the eighty percent of the game.

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Speaker 1: Inside of that, Denver was the better team, but early

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Speaker 1: and late. And that's coaching, right. Like if you go

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Speaker 1: to NFL games, the opening drive you score first in

654
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Speaker 1: the NFL, you win seventy percent of your games. That

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Speaker 1: was Bill Walsh, take the lead opening drive, in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and how do you close with two minutes left? That's coaching.

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Speaker 1: That's the great coaches. Poorly coach teams never finished strong

658
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Speaker 1: like over the course of an NFL season. Poorly coached

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Speaker 1: teams unravel late. It's like a golden rule. They just

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Speaker 1: unravel late. So I thought Spoe stole one tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as we move towards Miami, I kind of see

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Speaker 3: it the same way. I could see a split there.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a couple of specific adjustments that

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Speaker 3: I expect from Denver One. They just have to defend better.

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Speaker 3: Mike Malone's going to be all over them about their

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Speaker 3: defensive effort in this particular game because it wasn't great.

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Speaker 3: Jamal Murray in particular was just biting at every single

668
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: pump fake and giving up a ton of driving lanes.

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Speaker 3: That was leading them to be in rotation a lot. Offensively,

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Speaker 3: I think they need to do a lot more Yokic

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Speaker 3: stuff with casep and Michael Porter Junior to keep them

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Speaker 3: in rhythm during the game while they're leaving Yokic on

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Speaker 3: an island a lot. Sometimes they run too much two

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Speaker 3: man game with just Jamal Murray and Jokic and then

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Speaker 3: it'll be Yokics post up, Yokis post up, Yokis post up,

676
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Speaker 3: and then it'll be Murray Jokic Burry Jokic, and like,

677
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Speaker 3: one of the ways to keep KCP and Michael Porter

678
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Speaker 3: Junior in rhythm is just to give them more touches

679
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Speaker 3: throughout the game in dribblehndoff situations. Before we get out

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Speaker 3: of here, I did want to ask you one thing, though,

681
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Speaker 3: So I thought Jokicic was unbelievable tonight, like just absolutely unbelievable.

682
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Speaker 3: Where do you are our guy Carson from nerd Sash

683
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Speaker 3: tweeted this out and it got me thinking. He said

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Speaker 3: it's a Tier one playoff run of all time, meaning

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Speaker 3: he views it on the same level as all the

686
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Speaker 3: all time great playoff runs from the all time great players.

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Speaker 3: I tend to agree, and I wanted to ask you,

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Speaker 3: just because you have so much more experience watching the

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Speaker 3: NBA over the years, does this feel like all time

690
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Speaker 3: great pantheon level stuff that we're seeing from Nikola Jokic

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Speaker 3: to you?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think his consistency, I mean, people forget, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like Michael Jordan, you never see the bad games

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Speaker 1: Michael had Michael had some really tough shooting matchups against

695
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Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz in those finals. More than one Michael

696
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Speaker 1: had bad games. He had a bad one against I

697
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Speaker 1: think Phoenix. He had a couple bad ones against. He

698
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Speaker 1: had a bad one against I think Seattle in a

699
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Speaker 1: closeout game. Michael wasn't perfect. I think with Jokic, it's

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Speaker 1: the consistency. I feel like you can just write down,

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Speaker 1: like tonight he had very few assists. You can just

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Speaker 1: write down twenty four to eleven twelve.

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Speaker 2: Like that's really that's rare. The consistency.

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Speaker 1: I think, what were you know? It's very like like

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Speaker 1: you could probably don't have Bill Russell's numbers obviously in

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Speaker 1: front of me, But I feel like with Bill Russell,

707
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Speaker 1: you would get the same defense every night when they

708
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Speaker 1: were playing and winning the championships, it was Bill could

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Speaker 1: run the floor. Bill give you defense. Bill, I gave

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Speaker 1: you eighteen to twenty points. Had I watched Bill Russell,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that would be Jokics, Like I knew

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Speaker 1: exactly what I was getting. Magic Johnson would have great

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Speaker 1: nights and then then Kareem would score and Magic would

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Speaker 1: be back. So Lebron to me feels like even different

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Speaker 1: than Michael. Lebron went a decade. I didn't think he

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Speaker 1: had a bad playoff game. I remember when Dan Gilbert

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Speaker 1: I think I told you this once when he left Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: and they said Dan Gilbert claimed that Lebron quit in

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Speaker 1: a playoff game against like Boston and the numbers were

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Speaker 1: like thirty to eleven.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's his quit game, Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Like Lebron to me, is even greater than Michael in

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Speaker 1: terms of it's hard to find in his prime an

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Speaker 1: off night in the playoffs. I mean, like a they're

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Speaker 1: all good. So I don't think it. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it rises to that. But I do think there's a

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Speaker 1: consistency to his game, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is because he's such an elevator of others. Because

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Speaker 1: of his size almost seven feet, he's going to get rebounds,

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Speaker 1: because of his girth and his body, he's going to

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Speaker 1: give you twenty four a night. Even if he doesn't

732
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Speaker 1: play brilliantly. He just gets points. Tonight they reduced him

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Speaker 1: to justice score. He generally gives you ten to eleven assists.

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Speaker 1: You can almost just bank it, like you kind of

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Speaker 1: know what you're getting and that's kind of a Bill

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Speaker 1: Russell Lebroun thing. Now again, I'm not knocking Michael. Michael

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Speaker 1: mostly gave you that, but Michael had Michael was never

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Speaker 1: a great long distant shooter. You know, Michael had two

739
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Speaker 1: great ears shooting the three. That's when they moved it in.

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Speaker 1: Then they moved it out and Michael went back to

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Speaker 1: not being able to hit threes. Like, so I don't

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Speaker 1: consider all time stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's funny listening to Denver complain about their media coverage

745
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, would you guys win a title first?

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Speaker 4: And all this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: They're like, they're so upset without it being treated. It's like,

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Speaker 1: do you guys have a ring? Like you have one

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Speaker 1: win in the finals. Like it's a really good team.

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Speaker 1: Let's wait before we call them great. Let's wait before

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Speaker 1: we call Jokic great. It's a very very impressive playoff run.

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Speaker 1: They're tied. They just lost at home, right, Miami now

753
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Speaker 1: has home court advantage. Nobody's disrespecting you. There's nothing. I

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Speaker 1: don't have any trophies to talk about. The Bucks have

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Speaker 1: a trophy, Dirk got a trophy.

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Speaker 2: You don't have anything yet.

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Speaker 1: The volume