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Speaker 4: Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone around the world. You

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Speaker 4: were listening to Stradio Lab George, how's it going?

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Speaker 2: How is it going? You know, that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting that question, and.

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Speaker 4: So you're not going to answer. You're just kinda gonna

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Speaker 4: I don't understand the.

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Speaker 2: Question, and I refuse to respond to I'm only speaking

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Speaker 2: in quotes from film and TV and music from now on.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you something. I recently responded to someone's

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Speaker 2: this is exactly where I need to be.

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Speaker 4: Do you ever go on a spree of of sort of,

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Speaker 4: I guess quite frankly sorry to all listeners being horny,

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Speaker 4: and then you like are like messaging all these people,

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Speaker 4: and then suddenly when the fog lifts, you're like, what's

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Speaker 2: And when we say messaging sometimes it goes far. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and the fog lifts, then you say, oh, there's no

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Speaker 4: I just have to be exposed. Yeah, now I'm seeing everything.

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Speaker 4: That is one of the more shameful things, because it

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Speaker 4: even when it transcends like the direct horniness and is

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Speaker 4: like there's just a neediness where it's like I just

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Speaker 2: It's actually so deeply embarrassing in a way, that's actually

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Speaker 2: kind of refreshing because I find that as I get older,

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Speaker 2: I think I figured things out enough that I don't

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Speaker 2: ju let's say, when I was like twenty three, twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Of course they still happen, I'm you know, obviously, But

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Speaker 2: what I mean, right right? Like I don't do that anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And so I actually think horniness is the one thing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you don't grow out of it, and nor

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Speaker 4: No, I actually have the exact same thing. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I drove my car into a fridge.

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Speaker 4: Hi down cat, I Okay, I had a sort of

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Speaker 4: classic sitcom scenario happened recently. Tell me where I went

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Speaker 4: to because one, I'm so shocked when I'm around people

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Speaker 4: I could never do this to anyone. You can't look

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Speaker 2: One of our dear friends, and I won't say who

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Speaker 4: No, I really actually need to do that. But I was.

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Speaker 4: and of course hastantly, like hell, countless underwear pictures. I'm

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Speaker 4: I promise, I'm not looking. And I was like, but

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Speaker 2: There's something so vintage about being ashamed essentially of your sexuality.

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Speaker 2: That's the groundwork for everything else. Like if we don't

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Speaker 4: No, there's got to be a tasteful level of shame

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Speaker 4: after that, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna like archive

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I get it. This is you know,

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Speaker 2: it really is the summer too, Like it's it's too much,

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Speaker 2: it's vulgar, like I should not be we should not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's actually insane. I've said

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Speaker 4: that people have office jobs myself included.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now myself included.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's like, but wait, like the way that

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Speaker 4: horny just really does stop existing there, I'm sort of like, huh,

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Speaker 4: this was no, it does. This is like unhealthy in

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Speaker 2: That's the real Severance is just like literally Apple TV

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Speaker 2: series Severance. You forget what you do at work in

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Speaker 4: I mean it is like every Saturday, I'm like, oh

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Speaker 4: I have once, I have desires, and then by Wednesday

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Speaker 4: I'm again like oh nope, I'm not. I'm Michelle.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Should we welcome our guests?

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Speaker 4: I think that would be a great idea. You know,

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Speaker 4: I do want to.

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Speaker 2: Let's do a preamble about him.

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Speaker 4: I want to apologize up top, because no, I do

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Speaker 4: think you know, it's complicated to sort of talk about

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Speaker 2: I'm not embarrassed. I want him to know how horny

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, then without shame, please welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 5: E J.

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Speaker 5: Whoo god the intro of my dream.

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Speaker 2: So where are you in terms of summer horniness?

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Speaker 5: So, I mean thank you for asking. I Well, can

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Speaker 5: I just say that, actually what you guys are saying

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Speaker 5: like you might not be this horny forever. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you are a little bit younger than us.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's come right and say it. And I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I do feel like, if I can be

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Speaker 5: Like I feel like it does kind of increase as

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Speaker 2: And I think the stereotype of your hornier when you're

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe for straight people it's that you're

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Speaker 2: go up and down, depending on really anything. Yeah, what's

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Speaker 3: What the current styles are.

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Speaker 3: Now yeah you're like oh yeah, yeahally, oh good.

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Speaker 4: But it just sort of changes I feel, and I'm

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Speaker 4: actually scared because I mean I'm kind of excited for

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Speaker 6: Nonny subscribed to the Patron.

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Speaker 4: For more and so now like, what am I going

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Speaker 4: to be up to at like forty five that's going

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Speaker 4: to be so juicy?

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: I also think that there's I really feel like because

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Speaker 5: of COVID and not hitting like for you know, it

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Speaker 5: hit everyone at different ages and stages. But I do

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Speaker 5: feel like I think there will be a crazy, like

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Speaker 5: that it hit when they were in their twenties or so.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm kind of imagining an extremely horny like

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Speaker 2: I think exciting. This is actually a really important question.

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Speaker 2: I'm really glad you brought it up, which is are

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Speaker 2: Let's let's do it. Seriously, get out but actually do

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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I'm really like we're Everyone is so helpless

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Speaker 2: I think, first of all, everyone's laughing at Joe Biden memes.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm anyway for our first segment.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm kind of a I mean, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: No, I'm and I almost feel like at least there

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Speaker 2: So our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in

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Speaker 2: even if you're confused, and if you do, we will

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Speaker 3: Kill me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Sam, take it away.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm nervous. Okay, okay. Friends with benefits or men

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Speaker 2: Posting a gift on Slack or smoking a spliff while

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Speaker 4: Hear plenty of Fish in the Sea or Darren Chris

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Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, Darren Chris, the cast of Lease.

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Speaker 2: Sam, yours are really good today?

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Speaker 4: Okay, not my next name.

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Speaker 2: Baby Reindeer, baby Driver, baby Gronk, or baby boy. You

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Speaker 4: Wow, I'm so.

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Speaker 3: Glad you saying the whole thing. I'm gonna go to

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Speaker 3: Gummer, having a rat summer.

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Speaker 2: Stick with your guns, Stick with your guns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think you won me over with

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Speaker 5: Right, and it is tired, but that doesn't mean it's

441
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Speaker 5: not present.

442
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Speaker 2: But my point, it's like you didn't. First of all,

443
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Speaker 2: I think you sort of dumbed me a little bit

444
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: by being like, Okay, that's cute with the whole MAIMI

445
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: gummer thing, but fucking relax, like I'm going to go

446
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 2: with Brat Summer, which I appreciate it. Yeah, but the

447
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: other ones that do that, yeah, I'm like trying to

448
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: be funny and it's so desperate. Brat Summer is like

449
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: the main one.

450
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 3: I know. I was like rolling my eyes.

451
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 4: I was like, obviously, I think it's It's kind of

452
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: what we were talking about earlier, where it's like, yes,

453
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 4: it's like maybe the more obvious take, and it's maybe

454
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 4: you want to have a hotter choice, But then you're like, no,

455
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: there's no need to be summer.

456
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 5: Yeah right, it's like, are we not trying to build

457
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 5: a queer community every Yeah?

458
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 4: You know what I will say for brat Summer is

459
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 4: that I actually don't hear the songs like in Out

460
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,479
Speaker 4: and About very much. Oh.

461
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: I've been hearing them.

462
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 4: Like I want to dance to them, and no one's

463
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 4: ever playing them in a space that is dancy.

464
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: Mmm.

465
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Speaker 3: I can't, I really can't.

466
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Speaker 4: I have.

467
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Speaker 5: I've been sort of under a rock because I was

468
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 5: sort of working. I was working away, so I didn't

469
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 5: really have a pride. I wasn't really out for pride.

470
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Speaker 2: Sure, I will say I hate to disagree, but I

471
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: have been hearing them near constantly.

472
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 4: Well, this is just the difference between New York and LA.

473
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna say it.

474
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: I had a experience where I was in San Francisco

475
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: and I was talking to my friend, a friend, very

476
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 2: good friend of mine then I went to college with,

477
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: and she was like we were like, oh, we're gonna

478
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: call an uber and she's like, oh, we should take

479
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: a Waimo. I was like, I don't know what that is.

480
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: And earlier in the evening I was talking about the

481
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: film Challengers, and she had never heard of that. And

482
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: so apparently Waimo is self driving cars that are being

483
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: tested in San Francisco, like self driving cabs like ubers

484
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: being tested San Francisco, and Challengers is, of course a

485
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: film directed by Luca Guadagnino, Okay, And I was like, Wow,

486
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: it's San Francisco to know about Waimo, and it's New

487
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: York to know about Challengers. That's my story.

488
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 5: I feel like everyone knows about Challenge. Is it really

489
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 5: not a universal thing?

490
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm telling you ask her, leave La in New York

491
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: and ask around. You would be shocked.

492
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: This is scary to me. I hate finding out when

493
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 4: our media landscape is fractured.

494
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 5: I know, especially when it's like I'm like, well, the

495
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 5: whole world, It's like, oh god, great, I mean, now

496
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 5: I'm the problem.

497
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 4: New York is unique, of course, but I do feel

498
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: New York, yeah, classically, but LA does feel like it's

499
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 4: just the Midwest. So I'm like, well, of course people

500
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 4: here in touch with the rest of the country, but it's.

501
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: Not so funny because I god, we're doing EJ to

502
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: catch you up. This podcast has become primarily about the

503
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: differences between New York and LA, and I don't.

504
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 4: Apologize for that.

505
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I love it. I think it's an interesting conversation.

506
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: Sorry for me. What I was going to say is

507
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: New York, to me, has a reputation. I understand that

508
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: LA is also very diverse, and I'm not denying that,

509
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: but to me, New York has this reputation of being

510
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: like this giant melting pot, whereas LA, like the identity

511
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: of an Angelino.

512
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: Is so specific to me for something. Yeah, yeah, you

513
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: know what I was thinking about. You know what people

514
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 4: like people complain about LA and people that everyone here

515
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: works in entertainment. But then it's like there's people that

516
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 4: like move here after college and like don't work in entertainment,

517
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: They just like want to live here, and I'm like,

518
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 4: what the fuck is up with them?

519
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: It's a really interesting I know.

520
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 5: I was actually just talking to my friend about this

521
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: because they just moved here and it's for a lot

522
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 5: of reasons, but like in parts because like their sister's

523
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 5: husband is a doctor and he got placed here and like, yeah,

524
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 5: you know, like they're just gonna have a baby's They're like,

525
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 5: I want to be close by, and I'm so.

526
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: Like everyone in LA is an all comedian and they're like,

527
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: that's really.

528
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: Not what my sperience has been. I mean I used

529
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: to for my longest term X, who I dated for

530
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: six years, was from LA and their parents were both therapists,

531
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: and then all their friends, like when I would visit,

532
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: their friends were like lawyers and you know, business people.

533
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's really humbling.

534
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: It is humbling.

535
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say this about them specifically. I don't remember

536
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: they're friends that you know in particular, but I just mean, like,

537
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: generally speaking, what's really just orienting about LA is that

538
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: you'll meet doctors, lawyers, therapists, and despite the fact they

539
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: don't work in entertainment, they all have it like insane

540
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: botox h So you're sort of like, okay, so you

541
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: do kind of work in entertainment in the sense that

542
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: you are camera all times.

543
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the culture permeates its.

544
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: Did I tell you? I was like somebody was telling

545
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: me about skincare and I was like, I don't understand it.

546
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 4: I wish there was like someone you could go to

547
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: and they would just like tell you what to do,

548
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: and then amatoyrmatologists And I guess I always on a

549
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: dermatologist is like real doctors, and it's like, no, actually,

550
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: they're just there to sort of like make you look good.

551
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: I mean they also are they can treat like skin cancer.

552
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: They're just there to make you look good. I think

553
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: that's kind of it.

554
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: I do think. I I've always suspected that there's a

555
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: parallel school of dermatology where you don't like really go

556
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: to magical.

557
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 4: Yeah there should be. Yeah. Also, okay, here's what I

558
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: the entertainment in La here. I figured it out because

559
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: I went to it. I went to a college where

560
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: it was like that's like there's a like a small

561
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: town and then there's the college and so like, as

562
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 4: the college student, like I felt, I was like, of

563
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: course everyone here is here because of this college. But

564
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: then it's like there's plenty of people that are not

565
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: part of the college at all. But I still felt

566
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: like I had more ownership over the town than the

567
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: people that were born and raised there because I'm like

568
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 4: the college's town. Yeah.

569
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 2: Not to be so self indulgent and you know, our

570
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: own little community. But this is also how you feel

571
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: when you're in a writer's room and you think everyone's

572
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: going to be a stand up comedian and they're like, no,

573
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: we're professional screenwriter. I studied screenwriting and now I work

574
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: in screenwriting. I'm like, wait, so you didn't go to

575
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: open mics in Boston. I'm like, yeah, cheater, Yeah, did

576
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: you ever know?

577
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 4: Like, well, I went to Harvard, So it's fine, exactly Like,

578
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: but have you ever been on stage with a mic?

579
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: Right?

580
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny how I was like, I thought that

581
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: was a thirty rock joke. Oh they're still doing that?

582
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, e J.

583
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: I would love it if you would sort of tell

584
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: us what straight topic you've brought, and maybe a little

585
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: bit about what you think is straight about it.

586
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 5: So the straight topic that I've brought is sort of

587
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 5: one that I guess could be summarized by saying moms

588
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 5: and boys. And I think just to expand on that,

589
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 5: I would sort of specify by saying, it's like the

590
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 5: specific kind of relationship that mothers and sons have and

591
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 5: occupy in our society. Yes, in many ways, I think

592
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: it speaks for itself. What is straight about this? But

593
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 5: I will say, even though it feels like maybe a

594
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 5: part of like a sort of larger the dominant culture,

595
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: is always shocking to me when I experience the dynamics

596
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 5: that come with it, Like I'm always surprised that this

597
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: is something that we do and normalize.

598
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is also how I feel about actually like

599
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: just straight couples. Like sometimes you'll see a straight couple

600
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: be so straight in a restaurant or something, oh my gosh,

601
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: and the guy will do have all the flaws that

602
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: straight men have, and the women will have all the

603
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: quirks that straight women have when responding.

604
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: To you know what I mean, Like she is honest,

605
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: she is perfect.

606
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's it's crazy.

607
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: It's like haven't you guys seen like Broad City or

608
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: something like.

609
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: Like right right, haven't you?

610
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 5: Well, I know, we're like even just like like the

611
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 5: kind of thing of like I see like a guy

612
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 5: honestly opening like a car door for his girlfriend and

613
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, and she likes it, And I'm like, wait,

614
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 5: you're not pissed.

615
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: You he thinks you can't open the door.

616
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: He's being condescending, like.

617
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, him away from me, away from her, yeah.

618
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: I think what's so something that's confusing to me about

619
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: the moms and sons. Moms and boys, the sexual tension

620
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: goes both ways in ways that is confusing total because

621
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: the moms are often clearly attracted to the boys, and

622
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: then the boys also are looking today their mom and

623
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: it's kind of chicken or the egg situation. Who started this.

624
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 5: Well, because I think the thing is is that the

625
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 5: boys are definitely looking to date their moms. But I

626
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: think that it's like it's coming from this place of

627
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 5: like like, okay, I'm not going to name names, but

628
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 5: when a friend of mine was getting married to, you know,

629
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 5: a straight relationship. She was getting married to her now husband,

630
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: his mom pulled her aside and was like, hey, like

631
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 5: she's like tears in her eyes, is like hi, like

632
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 5: this is her mother in law now, just so you know,

633
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 5: like when he gets this is like a last ditch. Also,

634
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: of course he's walking out, just you know, when.

635
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: He gets sick. He really likes his super prepared in

636
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: this way.

637
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: And was like giving her like this advice about like

638
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 5: how to care for him when he was like sick.

639
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 5: This is obviously needless to say a thirty year old

640
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: man and it's like there's this like thing of like

641
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 5: he's getting married, so you are mommy now, yes, which

642
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: I think we just accept too, Like it's like the

643
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: mom is like starting that of like, oh, you should

644
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 5: be attracted.

645
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: To genius a mother figure.

646
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: Yes.

647
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: No, it's literally like you're absolutely right that it goes

648
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: both ways. Mom is girlfriend but also girlfriend is mom.

649
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, and sometimes girlfriends, sorry not to victim blame play

650
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: into that too.

651
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: Oh they love it, freaks. I'm like a sorry.

652
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: Victims, blame all you want over here. You know, it's

653
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: so funny.

654
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: This is actually a great way to teach maybe homophobic

655
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: or conservative men about spectrums beyond the binary. It's like

656
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: you can sell tell them, you know. It's like how

657
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 2: girlfriend and mom can be interchangeable and can and are

658
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: not exactly a binary. Sometimes you want your mom to

659
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: be your girlfriend, Sometimes you want your girlfriend to be

660
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: your mom. Sometimes they're both. Sometimes the girlfriend is more

661
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: of a mom and the mom sort of steps into

662
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: the more sexualized role. I think that could be an

663
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: interesting way to get them on board with like a

664
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: more fluid identity.

665
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: I love that that's really it can change day to day,

666
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: like it might depend.

667
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: On that yeah, and they're sort of like, oh, I

668
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: get it.

669
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

670
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like I don't get They then pronounce and

671
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: then you're like, well, your girlfriend is sometimes mom and

672
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: they're like yeah.

673
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, I guess I want my mom

674
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: and breastfeed for my girlfriend.

675
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 5: Totally.

676
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm voting for Joe Biden.

677
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: I don't care what his mental state is. Yeah. Wow,

678
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: really this is good.

679
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: I should we should mention EJ. You know, your initial topic,

680
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: and we pushed you to make it broader, but your

681
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: initial topic was specifically the dynamics weddings between mothers and sons,

682
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: and because we recently did a wedding episode, we wanted

683
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: to make it broader. But I do want to give

684
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: you an opportunity maybe to talk a little bit more

685
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: about that. I mean, of course, we have the mother

686
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: sun Dance.

687
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 5: Right right, Yeah, of course you have the mother Sundance,

688
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: which is that is something that I actually didn't really

689
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 5: even know existed for a while. Well, I mean, but

690
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 5: obviously there's.

691
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: The you know, father flip side.

692
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: But here's the thing with the flip side.

693
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: The thing with the flip side is actually father daughter.

694
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: I get the whole stereotype of like daddy issues blah

695
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: blah blah. But father daughter dance is always like more

696
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: awkward than sexual, whereas mother son dance is literally sexual.

697
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: I know, that is so true.

698
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: That's a really good point. Like father daughter is like condescending.

699
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: It's like my little girl, right, like dowry dowry vibes.

700
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: And also it's like a little gross, like you're just

701
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 4: sort of like please wrap this up.

702
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, well maybe and apologies if this is maybe too whatever,

703
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 5: But like I also wonder it's like, you know, we

704
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 5: live in a patriarchy that sort of constantly infantilizes women.

705
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: So I also wonder if the father daughter dance not

706
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 5: being as openly sexual is because it's like, oh, kind of,

707
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: it's like that's like the culture that we live in

708
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 5: is sort of constantly like sexualizing young women, and you know,

709
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 5: so it's kind of like everyone's like, well, that's not

710
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: what's happening here. That's father daughter and then the mother's son.

711
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 5: There's a little bit more of like a openness because.

712
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: It's like, well, that's not sexual because he's also a girlfriend, right, right,

713
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: it's a polyamorous relationship.

714
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

715
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: Oh, me and my mom were open.

716
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we see other people and it's actually really really

717
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: she sees dad.

718
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: And I see my girlfriend.

719
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: Right, the thing you're saying about like the passing of

720
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 4: the torch of now you will be like this boy's mom,

721
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 4: I think first three people. That really is like almost

722
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: the point of a wedding is like literally to like

723
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: formalize the power change where it's like, no, now you

724
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: are first in command. My like I'm queen regent and

725
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: you're the actual queen or whatever. And it's like it's

726
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: so weird that that needs to be established, so literally,

727
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: I know, and it is like.

728
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 5: It's like so normalized that I think to people, like

729
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: most people, it's not even like noteworthy that it's like

730
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 5: you know, like you're like moving in theory or moving

731
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: out of your parents' house or whatever. So it's like

732
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: the boy is like moving from literally being taken care

733
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: of by his actual mom to then moving into some

734
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: other woman's house who's assumed to be then cooking and

735
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 5: cleaning for him.

736
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like in the most limiteds.

737
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: So it's just like people like I think a lot

738
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 5: of people would be like, oh well, I mean yeah,

739
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 5: like that's just what we do.

740
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: Like, but to us it's like, wow, okay.

741
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 4: But again, this always gets kind of complicated, and I

742
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: feel somewhat hypocritical sometimes because in many ways, I do

743
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 4: feel that my boyfriend is mom. You know, like, in

744
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: many ways, I was like I have taken on the

745
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: role of like, yeah, the boy, and I'm like messy

746
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 4: and dirty and like, you know, lived in an apartment

747
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: where we never clean the bathroom until we moved in together.

748
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: This is interesting. I feel like my boyfriend is dad. Yeah,

749
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: like my friend his dad. And I find myself growing

750
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: into my mother more than my father. So in that sense,

751
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: I am mom, but not his mom's.

752
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 4: You know what is real't found your son yet?

753
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: No, I haven't found my son yet. I'm sure I'm

754
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: in love with my boyfriend, and I, you know, not

755
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: training for the world.

756
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: He's not my son.

757
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: No, no, And in that sense, for me, son and

758
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 2: boyfriend are a binary and in that way, I'm weirdly

759
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: more straight than a straight guy who wants to fuck

760
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: his mom. Well, this is being so traditional.

761
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: This is why queer relationships.

762
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: You need a third needed, a third that can be

763
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: at least my son and and potentially even his mom.

764
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: We actually need someone to fill that role.

765
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you're looking for that.

766
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so please get a touch.

767
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 4: Looking for your son slash mom.

768
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: Third, that's me responding to gay guys Instagram stories with hot.

769
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the ultimate goal, and.

770
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: I think that's easily conveyed and just hot, Like people

771
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: know what you're.

772
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: Asking for for sure. Yeah.

773
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: But to your point, Sam, it is it is difficult

774
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: in gay relationship to be like, wait, fuck, who is

775
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: the mom and who's the dad?

776
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is one of my I love

777
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: asking gay people who is the boy and who's the girl?

778
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 5: Like it's my favorite thing in the world. And I like,

779
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 5: you know, it's like, okay, so in my relationship, I'm

780
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 5: a guy and my partner's non binary. So it's like

781
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 5: we really like it really freaks people out when we

782
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 5: label ourselves out.

783
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: Are you all have to say that?

784
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: You know?

785
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 5: But I am definitely the girl. And I know this

786
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 5: because for many reasons. The main one is that there

787
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 5: was this one time where we had a sort of

788
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: like keeping tom situation.

789
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: It was kind of scary.

790
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: It's like I was just kind of like looking in.

791
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 5: Her window and it was kind of like, ah, like

792
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: don't do that, you know, Wait, like regularly or just

793
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 5: like he was there one time.

794
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: It was like multiple times in one day.

795
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know it was actually I guess.

796
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sorry.

797
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 5: Expand on sort of that really specific situation, which was

798
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 5: that we were living on like a first floor apartment

799
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 5: and we heard it it was in like a courtyard.

800
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 5: To get to our little like back house, basically you

801
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 5: had to like walk through a yard and like through

802
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 5: multiple gates. So no one ever knocked on our door

803
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 5: because our door was like you know, you would have

804
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 5: to get.

805
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: Through the gates.

806
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 5: So we heard a knock on our door just one

807
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 5: random afternoon, and we're like, that's really weird. No one

808
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 5: knocks on the door. We open the front door, no

809
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 5: one's there. We're like, okay, that's really strange. We both

810
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 5: turn around in the kitchen like the window facing this

811
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: like back alley.

812
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: There's just a man and I screamed so loudly, like

813
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: I've never screamed that way, like right, no lit, I

814
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: mean well basically.

815
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 5: Held out and my partner literally was like, don't worry, baby,

816
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 5: I got this immediately, like just like walks outside and goes, dude,

817
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to go and meanwhile, I'm inside holding

818
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 5: the cat in the kitchen literally going a baby in here,

819
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: like I'm like cowering, and Rue's out there like escorting

820
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: this man like out the you know, just like yeah,

821
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 5: happened instantly, and I was like, oh, boy and girl.

822
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, regardless of what your gender is,

823
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: you can be son, daughter, mom, or dad.

824
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

825
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 5: It's so interesting and like definitely, but I mean obviously

826
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: it's of course, the beauty of queerness is.

827
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: That it's fluid. So I do drive everywhere right exactly.

828
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: It's like, just because you were the girl in that

829
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: situation doesn't mean suddenly you know you have to do

830
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: all the cooking right.

831
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: No, and I do not right and cognos I don't.

832
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm the boy. I feel when I get

833
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: to be like dad, I really feel so proud of

834
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 4: myself and like almost like won't stop talking about it,

835
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 4: like if I like Parallel Park properly, I'm like, look

836
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: at me, like I guess little boys all grown up? Huh.

837
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 4: I Wentlandry in two months, Like, I.

838
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: Don't worry, I'm providing for you.

839
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, honestly, you're still being sun because you're like

840
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: impressing mommy.

841
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true. That's so true. Never mind, I

842
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 4: guess I fucking suck.

843
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: Hey, no, it's a.

844
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: Loser whatever, huh. I'm like, Okay, So moms, I like,

845
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: do we go all.

846
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: The way back to birth? It's like because from because

847
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: there's also that it's like from the time a little

848
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: boy as a baby, it's like he's going tobe a heartbreaker.

849
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: You're going to drive the girls mad. Meanwhile, the mom

850
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: is like, you better not your mind.

851
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, and then there's also this different kind of

852
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: thing because I feel like, you know, like when you're

853
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 5: socialized as like a young girl growing up, there is

854
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 5: a lot of like ideas about when you're left to

855
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 5: start dating. I guess they do this with boys too,

856
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: but like, you know, it's it's in this tone that's

857
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 5: very like, best keep her locked up in the house

858
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: before someone lays eyes on her whatever.

859
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: I literally don't know.

860
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: But but then it's like I feel like the attitude

861
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 5: with boys is more of that of like we can't

862
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 5: let him out or else he's gonna break too anything,

863
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 5: yes exactly.

864
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he's dangerous.

865
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 5: You mean you should be teaching him consent, right, it's like, no, no,

866
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 5: that's too dangerous.

867
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: He can't he can't learn that yet. No, no, no,

868
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: because little boy. So to be clear, we're not letting

869
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: him out because if we did, he would commit crimes.

870
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: But he's also mama's little boy and so innocent, and

871
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: we can't tell him about sex yet.

872
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's not his fault.

873
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing is his fault. That is one of the

874
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: primary qualities of being a son is that nothing is

875
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: your fault. It's true, and Mommy will take care of everything.

876
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're is when you're a child. Is being

877
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: sensitive always a euphemism for gay. I do feel like

878
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 4: I was because I wasn't. I was never like given

879
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: the heartbreaker treatment. I was sort of given the like,

880
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: well Sam's very sensitive.

881
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: Oh, they bent over backwards to give me the heartbreaker

882
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: treatment by being like, all his friends are girls, he

883
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: must like, they must fall in love with him.

884
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: So they were like worried about the harm you were

885
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: going to call it.

886
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: Literally, they're like, wait, he's playing with barbies because he

887
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: loves manipulating women.

888
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 5: So yeah, they're like, his girlfriends feel too safe around him.

889
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 5: A huge problem, I actually do.

890
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 4: We don't talk enough about how when guys are gay

891
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 4: in like middle school and twisting of being like, no,

892
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: they love Britney Spears because she's hot, and it's like,

893
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 4: really not, why would that ever be the case? No.

894
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: You know what sort of a shocking thing to me

895
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: is sometimes there are boys in middle school that truly

896
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 2: seem gay and then they just go through puberty and

897
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: become straight. And they're not closeted or any thing. Like

898
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: it's not like they're it just they just sort of

899
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: had a gay voice because it hadn't dropped, right.

900
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 7: I know that one is really interesting. I wonder how

901
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 7: they like think about that period of.

902
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: Time totally, like and they're just like cold slurs and

903
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: like have a hard time and whatever they and then

904
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: they just like grow up and are straight.

905
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 4: No. I have radical, radical empathy for the straight guys

906
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 4: that seemed gay. They got as much made fun of

907
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: for seeming gay, but really it didn't actually get the

908
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: sort of glory narrative of coming on the closet and

909
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 4: loving themselves.

910
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but if they are sensitive, nice guys,

911
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: of course they don't want to respond with like I'm

912
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: no faggot, So they're trying to both be socially conscious

913
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: and also correct the record.

914
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a lot to deal with when you're what twelve.

915
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are are God's hardest working soldiers, God's toughest soldiers.

916
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, strong, strong soldiers.

917
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 4: They're in the military.

918
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: In the military, I mean definitely, they're fighting.

919
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're straight. Yeah, that's the only way

920
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: they can prove they're real men. Yeah, by joining the military.

921
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: That's so true.

922
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: That's how they beat the gay rumors is by joining

923
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 4: the military.

924
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, beating the gay not beating the gay allegations.

925
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: I hear it used to be Sam's least favorite, like cliche,

926
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: like not beating the X allegation, But then I like

927
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: gasoled myself into loving it. Like now I think it's

928
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: the funniest.

929
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: No, I can't stop saying it. It's it's actually so

930
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: funny now.

931
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

932
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 5: I also wonder if there's I kind of feel like

933
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 5: the term metrosexual is making a comeback. I don't know

934
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 5: if you guys have focus.

935
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: Well, everything from the early two thousands is coming back

936
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 4: in this like weird, semi ironic but not ironic way,

937
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 4: and everyone's just like genuinely being problematic but being like

938
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 4: but it's funny and I'm.

939
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: Like, I can't talk about this all the time. Gender

940
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: is fully back, like gender oh absolutely again, like girl,

941
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: dinner boy, whatever, all of that stuff, generous, fully back.

942
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: Everyone is truly debating the differences between men and women.

943
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so true.

944
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: Like the R word is on the horizon, like like.

945
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 3: People, oh it's you. Oh oh that's been Yeah, yeah,

946
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: that's bad here.

947
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: You know, with a lot of these things, it's first

948
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: as tragedy, then as farst. The R word was first.

949
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, oh my god, these like really

950
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: offensive podcasters are saying it and now sudden you're like,

951
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: wait a minute, we're working at Deloitte and you're saying

952
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: the R.

953
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 5: Word yeah, or like you know, twenty two year olds

954
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: on the trainer saying it and like what you guys

955
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 5: are saying. I also like and just to kind of

956
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 5: this was just coming up today when I was sort

957
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: of out and about white people are fully sagging their

958
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 5: pants again.

959
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

960
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: One feels to me that one is like the one

961
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: that I'm like, wait that too.

962
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: That feels crazy that one, Like it used to be

963
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 4: like don't use like uh like aave like being like yeah,

964
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 4: and now it's like no, fully, like the most popular

965
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 4: model on white model on TikTok only talks like that,

966
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: and it's.

967
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 3: Like this is so weird, Like it's really crazy.

968
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: We have never been more confused about the concept of

969
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: cultural appropriation.

970
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 4: No one knows.

971
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: Anymore what it is, what counts as cultural appropriation, whether

972
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: it's good or bad. Literally, there is no consensus.

973
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: I know.

974
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, am I dumb or did it feel like

975
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: for a second we were almost there?

976
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: Right?

977
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: No?

978
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: I know, but that's literally it's like how you could

979
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: convince yourself that the Obama presidency fixed things and it

980
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: did it? Like it's you just you can't get too comfortable.

981
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 5: No, that is really wild, So I mean, and then

982
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: I guess it's kind of like that does I'm sure

983
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 5: that's empowering a sort of boy mom dynamic as well,

984
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: because definitely that is like on the rise, as well

985
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: as the sort of unapologetic like gendering of children. I guess,

986
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 5: like we're not really doing a gender neutral thing in

987
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: that way, but and it just makes sense with sort

988
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 5: of the rise of the past.

989
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: I do also want to you know, of course, we

990
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 2: are almost an hour in and we have not even

991
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: mentioned the name freud, which, of course you know she

992
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: is an icon in.

993
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 4: The legend and the original diva.

994
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 5: Right.

995
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: There is something almost like cheating about being like, oh,

996
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: I'm a sophisticated professor and I'm theorizing about how I

997
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: want to fuck my mom.

998
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

999
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you're still coming out on top because

1000
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: you're so perceptive about the fact.

1001
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: That you know that, right and you can talk about it.

1002
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think this again is like what we were

1003
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: talking about before, where it's like something so common is

1004
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: to be like, well, it's Freudian, it's freudy, and that

1005
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 4: you want to fuck your parents or whatever totally and

1006
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: then you're like but it's like you almost don't feel

1007
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: the need to point it out. It's almost like how

1008
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 4: everyone has like childhood trauma and they have to like

1009
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 4: it's like, well, I have this anxiety because my parents

1010
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 4: treated me this way at this time, and it's like

1011
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: we actually have to we really have to say that

1012
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: out loud. And it's like you, actually, we kind of

1013
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 4: do have to say that out loud, right in a

1014
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 4: way that's like come on, it's yeah. We have all

1015
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: these conversations literally over and over until we die. And

1016
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 4: it's kind of insane. Yeah, and not just that.

1017
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: Everyone at every time you have one of those conversations,

1018
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: everyone is at a different place in their life. So

1019
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: what you think is like an equal to equal conversation

1020
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: where you're being like, this is how I feel about

1021
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: the concept of trauma. Yeah, the person you might be

1022
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: talking to might be five years ahead of you or

1023
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: five years before you, and you have no idea.

1024
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, god, that's genius.

1025
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 3: That is really genius.

1026
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 4: When I first got to LA, there were like people

1027
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: that I hung out with in like my first month

1028
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 4: that I actually am like, I wish I hadn't hung

1029
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: out with anyone because I was in such a like

1030
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 4: weird emotional state that I think I was like genuinely

1031
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: not being myself and kind of being so weird and

1032
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 4: like for them, They're just like, well, that was a

1033
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: bizarre hang and I'm like, like, I guess Sam is

1034
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 4: just weird.

1035
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, that wasn't right, right, You're like

1036
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: that was somebody else in my clothes.

1037
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: I swear to you know, it's so true, You're and

1038
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: I feel this way very much. I just started a

1039
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: new job and I feel I can feel myself being

1040
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: the shy first week of work version of myself totally,

1041
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: and I can't escape it. I'm not going to go

1042
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: in guns of blazing and be like, hey, Dava like

1043
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: to my body, yeah, but I will work up to that.

1044
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: But I'm just like, you only get to make a

1045
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: first impression once.

1046
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: That's the thing, first impression, Okay.

1047
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 5: I just had a similar kind of thing with being

1048
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 5: on this job, where like I feel like I also

1049
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 5: and this is just normal and human nature, but I

1050
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: feel like whenever I'm like thrust into a new work environment,

1051
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 5: especially when that's like kind of concentrated and it's going

1052
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 5: to be over soon, like I'm like, I just need

1053
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 5: to take a beat and hang back for a sec

1054
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 5: to see what everyone's vibe is, and then I will

1055
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: kind of be myself in it.

1056
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to like run in and like

1057
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: fight for the mic and be like, you.

1058
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: Know, like I'm just by the way, that is not

1059
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: a type of person you want to be.

1060
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1061
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 5: I don't, I know, I'm like I think of that

1062
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 5: as a strength because I'm like I don't want to like,

1063
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 5: you know whatever.

1064
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: I like to just like suss out the vibe.

1065
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 5: But then it was like it is so crazy when

1066
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 5: like towards the end of this job, a couple people

1067
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 5: made comments where they were like, it's crazy how like

1068
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 5: sha you are in the beginning, And I'm like, no

1069
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 5: one's ever called me shy in my entire life, but

1070
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 5: that's so wild that like, now, that's like a good

1071
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 5: like twenty percent of your interactions with me where me

1072
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 5: being like kind of quiet. Yeah, it like really like

1073
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 5: messes with your brain because you're like whoa, Like, so,

1074
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 5: who the fuck was that that I was being?

1075
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: Oh, so you think you have a good idea of

1076
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: who you are, and sometimes you notice yourself acting a

1077
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: certain way and it's almost like an outer body experience

1078
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, that's not how I actually am.

1079
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: No, totally, I know. I'm like I know myself and

1080
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: it's like, actually.

1081
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, why are you being boring? Sometimes I will catch

1082
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: myself fully being like not to say that that's such

1083
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 2: an exception, you know whatever, we all have it sometimes interesting,

1084
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like, sometimes I will be like I

1085
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: know that if I was having a conversation with this

1086
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: person me, I would find them deep uninteresting.

1087
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 3: Oh totally totally.

1088
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh my god, wait, I left my

1089
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: drink over like disappear into the crowd.

1090
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: I keep having this thing at my job because I

1091
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: have to like produce the comedians and the guests that

1092
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 4: come on, and like, when it's a friend, it's very easy,

1093
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 4: but when it's someone I don't know at all, I go,

1094
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: I like go in little loops in my head because

1095
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I want to be like polite and

1096
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 4: like warm, but then I'm also like, but I don't

1097
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 4: want to seem like I'm obsessed with them, I don't

1098
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 4: care like and I also want to be like really

1099
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: needy and be like like me too. And so I

1100
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 4: do this thing, and I find myself being just sort

1101
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 4: of like like landing in a place that I'm also

1102
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: not happy with where I'm sort of being like, so

1103
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 4: basically what you're gonna do like being over.

1104
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: It, which is like no, not that right, the worst

1105
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: place to.

1106
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: Land, no, I I yeah, oh god. This is how

1107
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: like when I was first starting stand up, I was

1108
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: so petrified of sounding like I was copying someone else

1109
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: style that I adopted and I honestly still still think

1110
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm working through this. I adopted a sort of unintentional

1111
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: kind of like monotone, non animated tone of voice when

1112
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: I'm on stage, because I was like, I don't want

1113
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: anyone to accuse me of like copying, you know, generally

1114
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: literally just like everyone else.

1115
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 5: No, totally, because I mean that is and I think

1116
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 5: also that's like a good I think that's good to

1117
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 5: be like really conscious of that, because I think far

1118
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 5: too often people are like just fully copying someone else's

1119
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 5: tone and inflection sort of willing nilly.

1120
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 3: But it is definitely like a sort of paralyzing thing

1121
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 3: where you're like you just can't think now, You're just

1122
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 3: like that, yeah.

1123
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 5: Now you're just thinking about it so consciously, and you like,

1124
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 5: like I've even been on stage and said something and

1125
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 5: the moment I say it, I'm.

1126
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: Like, oh, like no, no, so often and there's nothing

1127
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: else you can there's nothing you can say about it.

1128
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: Like sometimes it's just you know, you'll say, honestly, there's

1129
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: even I feel like sometimes, you know, especially when we

1130
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: all live in New York, like we know Pat very well,

1131
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: and Pat has little patisms that like work their way

1132
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: into your speech and then you'll say them on stage

1133
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: and you're.

1134
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 4: Like, no, yeah, that's not my thank It's tough it's

1135
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: hard not to hear. And when something is playful and fun,

1136
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 4: it's like I want to try. Well.

1137
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 5: It's also like a really natural like in conversation and

1138
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 5: in friendships, it is normal to start talking like everyone

1139
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 5: does that, but it is just like hard when you're

1140
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 5: sort of like making a career based.

1141
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: Off of talking.

1142
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: Well.

1143
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: And by the way, talk about gay versus straight all

1144
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: for so long, for decades, all straight comedians sounded all

1145
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: like post Luisy K. For instance, Everyone's kind of like

1146
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 2: Luisy K post John Mulaney. So many people sound exactly

1147
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: like John Wray and no one I mean, obviously you

1148
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: know they're not a successful John Laney, but no one

1149
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: is actually saying you're copying John mulaney.

1150
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's how guys talk about That's.

1151
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 2: Just how guys.

1152
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Whereas anyone who's gay on stage is accused

1153
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 4: of being generally at some point in their life. Yes,

1154
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 4: thank you for saying that.

1155
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 6: That's actually so true. And by the way, he is

1156
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 6: he's mother, Well, of course, I mean absolutely. I think

1157
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 6: that's also why it's such an intense thing of like

1158
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 6: I'm not no, I know.

1159
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 4: I know, I know it's true.

1160
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, I want. I do want to bring it

1161
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: back to mothers and sons just so we can like

1162
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: end on a mother and son note. I'm like, okay,

1163
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: so baby boys, freud weddings.

1164
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1165
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: Also okay, so you said something about how the mother

1166
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: is passing the torch for the girlfriend to be the mother.

1167
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: But there's also another element of that, which is, of

1168
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: course the competition between mother and girlfriends.

1169
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 4: Well such, well, that's you hope for the passing of

1170
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: the torch because that's a peaceful transition of power exactly.

1171
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: Sometimes there is war first, and sometimes the war never ends. Yeah,

1172
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: like that, I mean it is literally, that's like such

1173
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: a huge part of the Siray culture is like the

1174
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: wife and the mother in law being at odds with

1175
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: each other constantly, and by the way, the husband and

1176
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: his mother in law also being at odds because that

1177
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: mother in law is like where do I fit in?

1178
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: And sometimes she'll try to be mom and he'll be like,

1179
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: you're not my mom or my girlfriend, so are you? Yeah,

1180
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 2: He's like he can't. Here's what it is. The mother

1181
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: in law is trying to be mom without being girlfriend,

1182
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: and he is like, does not compute. He's like, I

1183
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: don't want to fuck you.

1184
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, why are you trying to be alone

1185
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: with me?

1186
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: Like, like why did you bring me cookies?

1187
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 4: Do you want to find all?

1188
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 3: I'm not interested?

1189
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: Literally?

1190
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that is also the competition thing is also

1191
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 5: a wild Like that's another thing where I thought that

1192
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 5: was in the movies only, and then you're like, no,

1193
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 5: it's real. It's very real dating someone and you're like.

1194
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: Oh my, it's so real. I also think there's something

1195
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: that another maybe this is queer privilege, is that like

1196
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 4: we've already sort of like been a mess for our parents,

1197
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: and so they're sort of like we don't feel this

1198
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 4: need to like perform perfection.

1199
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 2: That is such a good point, Sam, because I feel.

1200
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, like my straight siblings do kind of have

1201
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 4: to like live up to something and I'm like free

1202
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: to do whatever.

1203
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: No, it's true when you have when you have that

1204
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: initial it's like the original sin of being gay, then

1205
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: you are not only is a bit more forgiving, but weirdly,

1206
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: especially if you're in a you know, maybe progressive family,

1207
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: you're actually given more leeway and you are almost the favorite.

1208
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 3: Oh I mean obviously, I mean if you're the favorite,

1209
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: it's homophobic.

1210
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 2: Homophobia because then the parents are like, on the one hand,

1211
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, he's our beautiful gay son, Thank god I

1212
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: don't have to have sexual at tension with him. And

1213
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: then on the other hand, they're like, he's been through

1214
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: so much and guess what, some of it was our

1215
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: fault because we weren't sablity but first yeah.

1216
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, no, it is kind of your being set

1217
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 5: up for success and in a really kind of interesting way.

1218
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think the only way to escape the

1219
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: mother's son dynamic is to be gay?

1220
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so. I think yes, because it doesn't

1221
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: transfer to like I don't have there's no like father thing.

1222
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: It doesn't transfer.

1223
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 5: I will say, my dad has managed to make things

1224
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 5: weird for me in a really interesting way, which is

1225
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 5: that he.

1226
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 4: Does love.

1227
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: He thinks that he's very similar to my partner, and

1228
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 5: so that's kind of like his It's not quite the

1229
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 5: mother it's like, but it's like a version of it,

1230
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 5: where like RU will be like at home, like we'll

1231
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 5: be like visiting my parents and they'll like, RU will

1232
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 5: say something my Dad's like.

1233
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: Sounds familiar, and I'm like that needs to stop. Well, yeah,

1234
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: that's ut.

1235
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 4: Now I'm like, yeah, my mom does that too, But

1236
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 4: with Misha, she's always like, oh, he's just like your dad,

1237
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, I mean I I see what

1238
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 4: you mean in like a really broad scene.

1239
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 5: Sure, but in the way that people are all humans

1240
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 5: with experiences say that. I'm like, it doesn't we don't

1241
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 5: have to, I mean, you know whatever. But so I

1242
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 5: think the parents do find a way to make it

1243
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 5: about them kind of no matter.

1244
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 4: What I guess would be my I do think it's

1245
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: maybe it's it's also part of a way to be like,

1246
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: see you do love me. Look your your partner is

1247
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 4: me right?

1248
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: You're so right, Sam, Like maybe there's this sort of

1249
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: subconscious betrayal that a mother feels when the sun comes

1250
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: out and she's like, okay, so we're not fucking I

1251
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: guess what can we like, how can we put the po.

1252
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, you are do you want to

1253
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 4: find dad?

1254
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: You can't grow up and not want to fuck one

1255
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: of us a little bit.

1256
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: Oh God, it's so complicated, you know, it's son son.

1257
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like talking about this, I'm like, God,

1258
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: I don't want kids.

1259
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah you can't. If my kids were ever like, hey,

1260
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: you caused me some harm. I'd be like, no, that's

1261
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 4: what somebody else like. I would not be able to

1262
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: hear that. I would not be able to hear it

1263
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 4: accept that. No. I know.

1264
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, oh, you know, I'll have disagreement with

1265
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: my parents, are like I'll almost like blame them for things,

1266
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, well, it's more complicated that and

1267
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, if if it were me, I would be

1268
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: way more defensive. Oh, I would not accept a single

1269
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: error I made.

1270
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 4: I know.

1271
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 5: I feel like I kind of feel like I would

1272
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 5: be the version of a parent who's like my kid

1273
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 5: says something's like kind of true that I did wrong,

1274
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 5: and I'm just like start crying.

1275
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 4: Like the moment they're like, hey, like you know you

1276
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 4: you like held affection in this way and it like

1277
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 4: kind of made me feel weird. I'd be like, so

1278
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 4: you hate me?

1279
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, okay, great, I will cancel all the holiday.

1280
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 4: Plans because you don't to me, you don't have to

1281
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 4: see me. I'm just your fucking dad.

1282
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: Oh so I'm the worst mom ever. I guess totally totally.

1283
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 3: That would so be my text oday.

1284
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 4: It's it's unfortunately, it is so fun to be bad sometimes,

1285
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 4: Like the idea of being a parent is like it's

1286
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 4: more fun for me to think about being a bad

1287
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 4: parent than being a good parent.

1288
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because being a good parent it's like okay.

1289
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 4: Literally, it's like okay, I guess I'm voting for Joe

1290
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: Biden and I'm like paying my taxes and whatever.

1291
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I'm like supporting you. However you need support

1292
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 5: or something.

1293
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1294
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 4: It's like I want to be I'm still me. I

1295
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: want to be bad, crazy damn. Yeah. It's so parents

1296
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: aren't even allowed to be bad, unbelievable.

1297
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: And then when they are by the way, like you

1298
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: know in La and Brooklyn, you'll see sorry not to

1299
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so posy to say, but like you know,

1300
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm just saying often in like more uh sort of

1301
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: like urban environments, parents will grasp onto their coolness way

1302
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 2: past when maybe people in like more suburban or rural

1303
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: areas will And I'm not even saying that as a

1304
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: good thing. I'm honestly saying it as a pretty pathetic thing.

1305
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: But it's like pretty tough.

1306
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: Like going out and you're seeing a dad with a

1307
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: stroller and he has like sleeve tattoos and alternative haircut

1308
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 2: and like, you know, wide pants and you're like, okay,

1309
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: so what are we doing here?

1310
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 5: Right right, It's like, so you're trying to look sexy again?

1312
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, always Yeah.

1313
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: I saw a mom in Erewhon recently that had like

1314
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 4: the most chic asymmetrical bang I've ever seen in my life,

1315
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is hard to maintain, Like

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01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: you are putting in a fuck ton of work to

1317
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 4: keep this bang popping.

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01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, something's up, Something's up.

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01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: It's a complicated because I feel bad both sides of

1320
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 4: this spectrum. I get sad at when people have kids

1321
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 4: and are instantly like throwing out their youth and like

1322
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 4: now I have no shred of that past that was

1323
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 4: the old me. Now I'm just yeah, Now I'm just

1324
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: this Yeah. And then I feel sad for the opposite too,

1325
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 4: where it's like, well, I'm barely a dad. I'm also

1326
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm still you know, a very alternative.

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01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, and as someone I think Sam, you

1328
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: and I both have parents that were like we're sacrificing

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01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: everything for the kids.

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01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: As much as I wouldn't necessarily want to do that,

1332
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: I would feel such guilt for maintaining any semblance of

1333
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: a personality.

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 5: Well, that's what our society kind of demands as of

1335
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 5: you as a parent, is like, oh, you want to

1336
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 5: be a parent, there goes your personhood.

1337
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's kind of like okay, okay, and

1338
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: here here tying it all together.

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01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 5: It's kind of like maybe because when a dad doesn't

1340
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 5: do that, like when a dad's like, I'm gonna still

1341
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 5: be cool and have my like rock star era or whatever. Yes,

1342
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 5: it's like classic and really annoying because it's like, of

1343
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 5: course you get to do that. But then it's like

1344
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,959
Speaker 5: a mom is like, okay, my kids are my whole

1345
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 5: personhood and us Okay, Dad's off doing whatever he wants

1346
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 5: to do.

1347
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why we end up with mom kind of

1348
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 3: being in love with kid.

1349
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 4: Wow?

1350
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: Is that crazy?

1351
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: Wow is actually doing the opposite of rolling in his grave.

1352
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: He's standing up and giving you a round of claws.

1353
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we literally need like universal childcare. And then

1354
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 4: mom's will stop wine to fuck their kids in the

1355
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 4: same way.

1356
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: And like they want to fuck them because they're stuck

1357
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: raising them, right because they're like out there, go to

1358
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: the club, go to club night, and she.

1359
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: Can't because that's what dad is doing.

1360
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: Dad is literally sipping at Tito's and soda. Dad is

1361
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: in fact sort of being gig Eye codd wile them

1362
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: wile the mom is sucking the sun that dad is

1363
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: having a brat summer.

1364
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 4: Literally Jesus Christ, my.

1365
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: God, American dream.

1366
01:03:59,560 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 4: Wow.

1367
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I think we really got somewhere. I really

1368
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 2: think we got somewhere.

1369
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 4: I think we really really got somewhere. I think we're

1370
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 4: gonna we'll do our final segment. Okay, yes, I love

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01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 4: that our final segment is called shout Outs, and in

1372
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 4: this segment we shout out to anything that we are

1373
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 4: enjoying in the grand straight tradition. So imagine that you

1374
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 4: know you're in TRL and Times Square shouting out to

1375
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 4: your squad back home, Z one hundred whatever, just about

1376
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 4: anything that you like. I actually do have one, and

1377
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 4: I actually feel silly for not having thought of it before.

1378
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: Actually, so EJ. You know we always think of them

1379
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: on the spot. I actually don't have one, So Sam,

1380
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: you can you can go.

1381
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 4: Okay, what is up? Freaks, losers and perverts. I want

1382
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 4: to give a huge shout out to Tubu aka tote Low.

1383
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 4: Depending on how committed you are just saying her name correctly,

1384
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 4: I feel mixed on it, but I've started saying Toobelu

1385
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 4: and I want to say, I'm loving this girl. I

1386
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 4: have been listening to the EP ship it out of

1387
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: the Summer What's called Heat, and I think it's so fun.

1388
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 4: It's so obviously gay guye coded, but in a way

1389
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 4: that's like, you know what, there's so many people that

1390
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 4: are like this music is inspired by, like the gay clubs,

1391
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 4: and this one it's like, no, no, no, this has

1392
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 4: lived in like she has been there, and there's such

1393
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 4: a subtle difference where there's a tastelessness to it that

1394
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 4: is really tasteful. And I'm really addicted to it, and

1395
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 4: I think I'm starting to even love her personality. I

1396
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 4: think a stan is growing and I'm ready to dive

1397
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 4: back into her past and be addicted to her. And

1398
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 4: it's always amazing to find a new girl. Touvelu, I

1399
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 4: support you, I love you, and I celebrate you. Thank

1400
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 4: you for getting me through this horrific summer.

1401
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: Xoxol, Sam who Wow, Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm

1402
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: gonna go. What's the cinephile out there. I want to

1403
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: give a shout out to the film The Cook, The wife. No,

1404
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: the cook, the thief, his wife, and her lover. I repeat,

1405
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: the cook, the thief, his wife, and her lover. This film,

1406
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's not streaming anywhere. And I had heard

1407
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: about it from many letterboxed adjacent friends of mine for

1408
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: many years. They said, oh, it's a horny movie with Heleniir,

1409
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: and I said, add it to the list. That woman

1410
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: is taking her tits out every chance she gets. They said, okay, sure,

1411
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: a horny movie with Helemir, and sure, I'll get to

1412
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: it at some point. Cut to it's playing at one

1413
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: of our local repertory theaters here in New York City.

1414
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: I go last week. I had the time of my

1415
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: damn life. It is like a baccanal. It's sort of

1416
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: like it's set in this giant restaurant and Helen Mirren

1417
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: plays the thief's wife. She goes there and every day

1418
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: cheats on him in the bathroom with her lover while

1419
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: the husband is having dinner. And then she's there for

1420
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: like forty five minutes they have full penetrative sex, and

1421
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: then she comes back and she's like, sorry, I took

1422
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 2: a while. And then that happens over and over again,

1423
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: and then the action r crescendos into like a really

1424
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: amazing finale, and I don't know, are they making movies

1425
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: like that out there? Is Emma Stone in a film

1426
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: like that? I don't think so. So go out there,

1427
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: support Helen Muirn and her gorgeous breasts and her acting

1428
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: abilities and watch the fief his wife and her lover

1429
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: not streaming anywhere, so look up showtimes, Wow, increble, yeah.

1430
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: Okay, awesome, well, okay.

1431
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 4: Okay.

1432
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 8: And tapping back into the cinophile cinophile heads, I just

1433
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 8: want to give a huge shout out to a movie

1434
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 8: that I watched on a plane that I had never

1435
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 8: seen before, Cold Dirty Dancing, a little film called Dirty

1436
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 8: Dancing that I'd never seen.

1437
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 3: And the thing about this movie is that I went

1438
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: into it and.

1439
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 5: I'm going to be honest, I didn't really understand the

1440
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 5: Patrick Swayze thing.

1441
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 3: Sorry, I respect it, but he has never done it

1442
01:07:59,600 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 3: for me.

1443
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 5: Per After watching this movie, first of all, my life

1444
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 5: was changed because there's a wonderful feminist undertone to it.

1445
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 5: Second of all, I kind of get the Patrick's wady thing.

1446
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 4: Now.

1447
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 5: It's still not like he's still not my favorite in

1448
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 5: the world, but but I the lift, you know, it

1449
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 5: is everything that everyone said that it was. So Yeah,

1450
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 5: I would just highly recommend watching this movie if you

1451
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 5: haven't already. Wow, it's like a hot take that it

1452
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 5: is gorgeous and super sexy and that honestly it's gonna

1453
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 5: make you want to dance. Oh sorry, but you should

1454
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 5: give it a try because the dance moves they do

1455
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 5: are things that I've never seen in my life, like

1456
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 5: when they're all in the dance hall going crazy on

1457
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 5: each other.

1458
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 3: Have you guys see me?

1459
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 4: Actually I've never seen seen it.

1460
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: I should Oh, I got you guys have to watch it.

1461
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna watch it.

1462
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: Can I tell you an early memory of mine of

1463
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,799
Speaker 2: like knowing someone was gay? Was I was in a plane?

1464
01:08:58,439 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 4: Okay?

1465
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: And this was back when you know, some of the

1466
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 2: older folks in the audience might remember it used to

1467
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: be that each chair didn't have its own screen, and

1468
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: they would like program Actually know, each shir would have

1469
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 2: its own screen, but you wouldn't have like your own

1470
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 2: remote like they would. It would just be a movie

1471
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 2: playing that everyone had to watch. So it was always like,

1472
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: oh my god, what movies is going to be? Oh

1473
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: my god, what movie is going to be? And so

1474
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 2: I saw this flight attendant putting in a movie and

1475
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, what movie is it? And he

1476
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: goes dirty Dancing have Anna Nights and I was like,

1477
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: you're gay.

1478
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: You're like wait a minute, like no, no, no, I

1479
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 3: don't know what that is.

1480
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't know what dirty dancing is

1481
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: a nights. I'm pretty gay.

1482
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 4: Oh well, EJ, thanks so much for doing the pod.

1483
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 4: This was a real treat.

1484
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 3: So much for having me.

1485
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 9: It was the best time ever podcast And now want more.

1486
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,160
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1487
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:02,000
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1488
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:03,840
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1489
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,759
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1490
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,240
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