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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful little boy in Colorado left horrifically injured after

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Speaker 2: what I believe to be a severe beating while in

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Speaker 2: the care of a loving care giver who I also

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Speaker 2: believe was drunk.

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Speaker 3: A baby boy.

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Speaker 2: When you see Giovanni, your heart is just going to break.

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Speaker 2: He's perfect. Have you ever seen a little baby? Think, oh,

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Speaker 2: that could be the Gerber baby. That little baby's going

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Speaker 2: to be a baby model. That's Giovanni, just like a

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Speaker 2: little angel from heaven. And what I think about this

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Speaker 2: child being left in a coma by a nanny. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: fir is about to fly. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories and on Serious x Semblon eleven.

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Speaker 3: You mom's out there and you dads too.

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Speaker 2: But frankly this is to the moms listening, because I

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Speaker 2: fully believe, yes, there are a few sprinklings of dads.

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Speaker 3: That do this, but it's on us. We work, we.

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Speaker 2: Take care of home, but most important, we take care

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Speaker 2: of our children.

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Speaker 3: It's on us to.

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Speaker 2: Make sure they stay in one piece, they're healthy, they're safe,

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Speaker 2: they're happy. Yes, you know what. I'm so blessed with

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Speaker 2: a wonderful husband. That's right there beside me. In my mind,

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Speaker 2: it's on me. If they live or die, it's on me.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what Giovanni's mother has been through? Well,

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Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, you don't have to imagine,

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Speaker 2: because joining me right now is Giovanni's mother, Stephanie Reikert.

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Speaker 2: The moment I heard about Giovanni and a coma, we

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Speaker 2: all started praying. I want you to speak to other

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Speaker 2: moms and dads out there and tell them what happened.

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Speaker 2: Let's just start at the beginning. How old is Giovanni now?

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Speaker 4: Giovanni is two years eleven months. He turns three December fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: When you went about finding a nanny, how did you

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 4: Actually, my kids were in daycare that they loved prior

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Speaker 4: before this. I actually ended up moving, so I had

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Speaker 4: to find care closer to my home, and my friend,

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Speaker 4: somebody that I've known for quite a few years, maybe

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Speaker 4: four or five years, offered to watch the boys.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you say boys, you have three and all

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Speaker 2: you've got Giovanni two, and then you have what a

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Speaker 2: five year old and a twelve year old steps on?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yes? That's true.

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Speaker 3: You have a handful.

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Speaker 2: I have two, and I spent every moment that I'm

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Speaker 2: not at work chasing them and trying to make their

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Speaker 3: And I would not have it any other way.

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Speaker 2: So I've actually seen this before where a mom asks

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Speaker 2: a trusted friend, hey do you know anybody? And the

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Speaker 2: friend gives the mom someone and it all goes sideways.

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Speaker 3: It's not the friend's fault. I'm sure the friend didn't know.

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Speaker 4: Actually she was the friend that did all this. It

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Speaker 4: was my friend who hurt my son.

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Speaker 2: I thought that you actually got the referral from a friend.

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Speaker 2: Are you telling me that you knew McKinley ahead of time?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I had known her about four or five years prior

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Speaker 4: to her watching my children.

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Speaker 3: Oh my star is Stephanie. That makes it so much worse.

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Speaker 3: So this is someone that you know and trusted.

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Speaker 2: Now tell me, you know after COVID, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people get to work from home.

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Speaker 3: Were you working from home? Or do you have to

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Speaker 3: leave the home to go to work?

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Speaker 4: I leave the home to go to work.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 4: I was actually just a server at a restaurant. I'd

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Speaker 4: been there for a year prior. It's Jewish Delhi, and

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Speaker 4: I just the hours are only eight am to three pm,

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Speaker 4: but I would go probably six fifth a week maybe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, what time to what time? I want

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Speaker 4: I'm eight am to three pm.

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Speaker 2: So basically the school hours for your other two boys exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're a home by three point fifteen three

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Speaker 2: And so you bring in this who you believed to

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Speaker 3: Stephanie, what happened that day that Giovanni was hurt?

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Speaker 4: Actually I had received a text message from McKinley asking

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Speaker 4: our son was dropped off with blunt forced trauma.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, Waite Waite White. So and I've had babysitters

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Speaker 3: When I would have to go out of town.

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Speaker 2: And I did not like having to go away at all,

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Speaker 2: but I trusted them question to you when she asked,

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Speaker 3: They didn't go camping or did they?

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Speaker 4: They ended up not going. He was dropped off before.

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Speaker 2: So the first you know that anything is wrong, it's

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Speaker 4: Yes, she actually texted me after the hospital called. She

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Speaker 4: That we need to rush to Sam Anthony's hospital because

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Speaker 4: Giovanni went lifeless after a bath.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, right there, guys with me, is Giovanni

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Speaker 2: two year old Giovanni's mother. Giovanni horrifically injured after a beating,

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Speaker 2: a beating from a nanny who we now believe was drunk.

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Speaker 2: Two special guests joining us in addition to Giovanni's mother, Stephanie,

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Speaker 2: who was speaking out today for all you moms and

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Speaker 2: dads listening with me, Doctor Jan Gorniac, renowned pathologist, former

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Speaker 2: medical examiner in Clark County.

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Speaker 3: That's Vegas.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Dodger Gorniac never had a lack of

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Speaker 2: business in Vegas. Dodger Gorniac a child and I know

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Speaker 2: this is crazy, but very often I would bathe the

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Speaker 2: But we used it as a time to like read

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Speaker 2: books and play music and all that. But that said,

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Speaker 7: No, it does not. So it's interesting. And Stephanie, my

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Speaker 7: a few of my child abuse cases that I've worked on,

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Speaker 7: it's in the bathtub. The bathtub comes up, and I

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Speaker 7: believe that the perpetrator puts the kid in the bathtub

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Speaker 7: they were already unresponsive and they were just trying to like,

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting because thinking back and anybody on the panel,

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Speaker 2: we have a lot of awesome guests today to support

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Reikert and Stephanie, do you call Giovanni Geo?

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Speaker 4: Yes, we do.

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Speaker 2: Now that I'm thinking about what doctor Gorniak has said

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Speaker 2: she's right. I'm thinking about on so many abuse cases,

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Speaker 2: and so many of them start or involve the bathtub.

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Speaker 2: And one of the very first cases I can think

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Speaker 2: of along those lines is a name that will forever

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Speaker 2: live in infamy. Louise Woodward, The maybe Matty Apen died

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Speaker 2: after a bath Take a list at our cut nine.

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Speaker 8: Louise Woodward is a British teenager when she joins an

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Speaker 8: Sunil Epan. She is to take care of three year

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Speaker 8: claiming Matthew stop breathing. At the hospital, doctors realize his

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Speaker 8: injuries were so serious police are called in. Matthew Eapen

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Speaker 8: has a fractured skull, a subdural hematoma, and an optalmologist

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Speaker 8: notices retinal hemorrhages suggesting shaken baby syndrome. Woodward is arrested,

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Speaker 8: charged with assault and battery. When Matthew Eapen dies, charges

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Speaker 8: are upgraded to murder. Woodward never talks to police, deferring

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Speaker 8: to life in prison. However, at a post conviction relief hearing,

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Speaker 8: is sentenced to time served.

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Speaker 2: And show as I recall, his name is Judge Hillard Zobel,

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Speaker 2: and I'll never forget it because a jury convicts the

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Speaker 2: opair Louise Woodward murder, iiO and everybody got hung up

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Speaker 2: subdural hematoma. But that said at Senate saying that Judge

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let her walk free on time serve

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Speaker 2: that actually happened. And we're seeing here that baby Geo

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Speaker 2: has a horrible, horrible blow to the head. And Woodward

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Speaker 2: told the jury. She told the stand that she somehow

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Speaker 2: baby Maddie squirted out, jumped out of her arms after

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Back to Geo's mother, Stephanie Reichert, Stephanie, what exactly were

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Speaker 2: Geo's injuries.

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Speaker 4: He had a sub I don't know, a subdural hematoma. Yes,

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Speaker 4: he had a nine milimeter mid lane shift in his brain.

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Speaker 4: He had bruising all over his body, on his neck,

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Speaker 4: his arms, He had the bleeding behind his eyes he

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Speaker 4: said the name, don't remember the medical terms. Bleeding behind

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Speaker 4: both of his eyes. He had a huge bite mark

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Speaker 4: on his forearm. He had a slap mark on his

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Speaker 3: Stephanie, is it's just so much worse than a to

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Speaker 3: the head.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Christopher Buyer's private investigator, former police

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Speaker 2: chief John's Creek now owner of buyers Investigative dot com. Listen,

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Speaker 2: you and I we're not mds like doctor Gorniac, but

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Speaker 2: I know when a baby or person has bruises on

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Speaker 2: their arms like this, that baby was held by the arms,

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Speaker 2: slap marks on his back at it's like a bite mark. Look, Stephanie,

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Speaker 2: Reichert isn't making this up. These injuries are in doctor's reports.

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Speaker 2: Doctors that don't care. I don't mean they don't care

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Speaker 2: about the patient. They do care about the patient. But

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Speaker 2: they're writing clinically, analytically, they're not making up a dramatic scenario,

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Speaker 2: like if I want to know the truth, I look

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Speaker 2: at what the medical examiner, because they don't care. They

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Speaker 2: don't care who you are, where you're from, what color

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Speaker 2: hard science tells them.

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Speaker 3: Same thing with doctors. I don't know why they're that way.

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Speaker 2: They're very let me just say, an aseptic when they

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Speaker 2: write out these reports, Chris Byers. So when a doctor

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Speaker 2: a relative or family friend, they write down there's bruises

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Speaker 2: There's a nine millimeter ship in his brain. He has

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Speaker 2: a blow to the head. There's blood behind both of

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Speaker 2: his eyes. You better believe it's true, Chris Byers. And

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Speaker 2: this is more than just dropping the baby on the

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Speaker 2: I understand that when you went in there, Stephanie, and

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Speaker 4: It was just so overwhelming, all the machines beeping, everything

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Speaker 2: Doctor Angela Arnold who is a renowned psychiatrist in the

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Speaker 2: Even Emory and their renowned, world renowned heart wing wouldn't

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Speaker 3: They think they could do anything for him.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I walked in and it was this

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Speaker 3: When I saw the twins.

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Speaker 2: Hooked up to all of those machines. It was unlike

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Speaker 10: What it is, he was practically beaten to death by

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Speaker 2: Geo had to be airlifted to the hospital. He needed

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Speaker 3: To be removed. He was intubated, which means they take

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Speaker 2: he didn't look anything like he did normally. His head

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, Stephanie as encouragement. He went on

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Speaker 2: So he went on and he had to go through rehab.

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Speaker 3: Praise the Lord.

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Speaker 2: So Stephanie Ricker with me go's mom. You go in,

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Speaker 3: When did it dawn on you?

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Speaker 2: But when you're talking about movement of your brain, the

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Speaker 2: So that is why they actually, in my nephew's case,

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Speaker 2: they remove part of Geo's skull, Doctor Gordiac.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely because of the swelling, So not only just because

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Speaker 3: Stephanie Ryker's telling us about removing part of the skull.

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Speaker 2: Did he have a shunt in his skull, Stephanie, So

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Speaker 3: Thank goodness.

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Speaker 2: I know it sounds terrible that somebody drilled a hole

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Speaker 2: It saved my nephew's life because you're the pressure of

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Speaker 2: And finally the steam is so powerful it blows it

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Speaker 4: He's in the living room here with us. I'm in

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Speaker 3: That makes me want to cry that he actually is home.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Brian Foley joining US board, certified criminal defense attorney, former

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Speaker 3: Brian, I tell you what.

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Speaker 2: I would get a hold of this nanny, and I

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Speaker 11: Yeah, And as a prosecutor, if you're in Colorado, you

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Speaker 11: So it's going to be on the prosecutors for sure

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Speaker 11: Because the pictures that we saw are tragic. I agree

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you looking at the picture of him sitting

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Speaker 3: I would not have even thought it was the same person,

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Speaker 3: Brian Foley.

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Speaker 11: And what's going to help prosecutors, I think in this

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Speaker 11: case to prove that this is obviously no accident, is

445
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 11: that bite mark. A bite mark is an intentional act.

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00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 11: There's no accidental bite marks less than a child, especially

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Speaker 11: when you consider they also have black eyes and this

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00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 11: subdural hemotoma. This is a brutal attack which is definitely

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Speaker 11: going to need to be prosecuted to a large extent.

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Speaker 2: Got a question, Stephanie Reiker is with me Giovanni's mother

451
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Speaker 2: to this day, right now as we're speaking, mckinnley slown

452
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Speaker 2: her Nandez has not revealed.

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Speaker 3: Won't say what really happened.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is correct. I'll she admitted to is that

455
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Speaker 4: she was drinking and he with hurt in her care.

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Speaker 3: That's all she'll say. Yep.

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Speaker 4: She won't say anything. Even after being arrested, she won't

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Speaker 4: say anything.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to figure out why this has happened.

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Speaker 2: How drunk she But frankly speaking, doctor angel Arnold, being drunk,

461
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Speaker 2: why would that make you beat up the baby.

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Speaker 3: To the point that the baby's in a coma?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 10: And you know, Nancy, that's not even an excuse. This

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Speaker 10: is this is such a horrific act of rage and

466
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Speaker 10: violence to a helpless child. I don't care. And if

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Speaker 10: she was that drunk, then why wasn't she passed out

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Speaker 10: on a couch somewhere? But she wasn't drunk enough if

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Speaker 10: that was, if there's any truth to that to know

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Speaker 10: what she to not know what she was doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she actually did she drive Giovanni to the

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Speaker 2: e R.

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Speaker 3: Stephanie, I meanes.

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Speaker 4: We actually heard from the hospital that she drove him

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Speaker 4: to the hospital while her boyfriend was trying to revive him.

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Speaker 2: And are you telling me, Stephanie that at one point

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Speaker 2: we know Giovanni was not breathing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was.

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Speaker 4: When he was dropped up at the hospital, he was

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Speaker 4: unresponsive and his heart rate was in his fifty so

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Speaker 4: almost cardiac.

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Speaker 2: Arist joining me right now is Anastasia Germaine, President of

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Speaker 2: Childcare Professional Services LLC, founder and former operator of a

484
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Speaker 2: childcare center, and you can find her at childcareps dot com. Anastasia,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What is your number

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Speaker 2: one piece of advice to families searching for a babysitter

487
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Speaker 2: or a nanny.

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Speaker 6: To ask a lot of questions and do as much

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Speaker 6: research as you possibly can. A good place for parents

490
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Speaker 6: to start is at childcare dot gov and there is

491
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Speaker 6: a link there for each state where parents can go

492
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Speaker 6: use a pulldown menu and find a plethora of resources

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Speaker 6: for all types of child care options. Parents should be

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Speaker 6: doing their best to look, listen and ask questions. Look

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Speaker 6: around the facility for safety and cleanliness. A lot of

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Speaker 6: parents choose family and friends for their first childcare options.

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Speaker 6: Still look, listen and ask questions. Look for simple baby proofing,

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Speaker 6: electrical outlets. Are all of the things within the home,

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Speaker 6: the toys, the playground areas? Are they in good repair?

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Speaker 6: Are there emergency procedures in place? Even if it's a

501
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Speaker 6: family home care is do they have procedures in place?

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Speaker 6: Is the caregiver CPR trained? Do they have do they

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Speaker 6: provide well balanced meals snacks? What is their discipline policy?

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Speaker 6: Does it agree with yours? Is there a stimulating environment

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Speaker 6: and a routine in place? All types of things that

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Speaker 6: you can look for and ask questions about. Also in

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Speaker 6: the case of home care specifically, you know, in licensed

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Speaker 6: childcare centers or licensed facilities, any guests coming into the

509
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 6: house have to sign in and out. That's not the

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Speaker 6: case in a home care, especially in an unlicensed facility

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Speaker 6: or a friends and family or a nannying type situation.

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00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 6: So you want to talk to the caregiver about guests

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Speaker 6: and the flow of traffic coming and going.

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00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know who's coming in and out

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00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: of the daycare. And again, there's nothing at all wrong

516
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: with a friend or family as your daycare. I was

517
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: raised all day by my grandmother, and my nephews were

518
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: raised by a family friend instead of going to a

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Speaker 2: you know, state run daycare.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: To Nicole Parton joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 2: This woman McKinlay Sloan Fernandez. It's my understanding that she

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Speaker 2: had an unalycensed childcare facility at her home.

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Speaker 12: That's right, she did, And she actually listed herself on

525
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Speaker 12: several resource pages online. One that I saw was on

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Speaker 12: the Lakewood County Childcare Connection, where moms could go online

527
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Speaker 12: and look for a nanny, look for daycare, and she had,

528
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Speaker 12: you know, an ad there there's a few openings left

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Speaker 12: for childcare.

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Speaker 4: You can trust your child here.

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Speaker 12: Loving environment, safe home. So other people were paying her

532
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Speaker 12: and trusting her to care for their child as well.

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Speaker 12: Childcare is a sixty billion dollar industry in the United States,

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Speaker 12: and she was trying to get her fair, I suppose,

535
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Speaker 12: but without providing the service.

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Speaker 2: And when I say unlicensed child care facility, I'm not

537
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: saying it like it's a dirty word, because trust me,

538
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: my grandmother, my Mama Lucy, who I named my daughter after, she.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't a licensed child care facility.

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Speaker 2: She's my grandmother, and she took care of us and

541
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Speaker 2: fed us and we play outdoors. It was farm and

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00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: it was a wonderful childhood. So having a family friend

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00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: or family a relative with your child while you're at work,

544
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Speaker 2: that happens all over the world, and that is what

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Reiker did. Stephanie, I mean in your mind, McKinlay sloan,

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Speaker 2: her Nandez was running a home care for children, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so she watched my kids for a year. When

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00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: she first started watching them, it was just their babysitter.

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00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: She wasn't watching any other kids at that time. And

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Speaker 4: then just recently she started, well not recently now, but

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Speaker 4: she had posted on all those pages on Facebook saying

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Speaker 4: she wasn't in home daycare. And then she started watching

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Speaker 4: other kids and she would have quite a few kids

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Speaker 4: over at her house.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by quite a few kids?

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Speaker 4: I mean one time we went there, we decided not

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Speaker 4: to drop you off because she had ten other kids

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Speaker 4: there and she was the only one, and she was

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Speaker 4: they were probably half of them were under the age

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Speaker 4: of two.

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Speaker 3: That's too many for one person to be handling.

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Speaker 2: So, Stephanie, have you ever confronted her and said what happened?

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Speaker 4: No, Actually, after she had texted me to go to

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Speaker 4: the hospital, that's the last I ever heard from her.

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Speaker 4: She never once checked on him see how he was doing,

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Speaker 4: to see how we were doing. She just she blocked

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Speaker 4: me on social media, actually, and that was the last

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Speaker 4: I heard from her.

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Speaker 3: What are prosecutors telling you, Stephanie.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know how to answer that question. We

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Speaker 4: have court again, we have the first part days on

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Speaker 4: the twentieth of December. But basically what they're saying from

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Speaker 4: what they had, their evidence they have which we haven't

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Speaker 4: seen yet, she is the.

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Speaker 3: Now let me ask you, is there.

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Speaker 2: A surveillance video or a door came ring or anything

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Speaker 2: like that in the area in the home where Giovanni.

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Speaker 3: Was at the time he was beaten so badly.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that is something that I would not like to

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Speaker 4: speak on.

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Speaker 3: So maybe maybe yea, did she.

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Speaker 2: Have a boyfriend? McKinley slowed her nand is does she

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Speaker 2: have a boyfriend?

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Speaker 4: She did? It is his house actually owns the house

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Speaker 4: and she lives there with him.

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Speaker 3: Was he home when Giovanni was bed?

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Speaker 4: I don't know for sure. As far as we know,

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Speaker 4: they're leaning towards that he has nothing to do with it.

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: Now they have a shoot to warrant for his full

590
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Speaker 4: ring doorbell camera, and I'm sure we'll find out more

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Speaker 4: after we're able to see those videos.

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00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: See the evidence.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so, Brian, what I would be doing right

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Speaker 2: now if I was the prosecutor, I get that boyfriend

595
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: and squeeze him like an orange. I agree to find

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Speaker 2: out what, if anything, he knows. And remember this is

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Speaker 2: his boyfriend girlfriend. There's no marital privilege in voked here,

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Speaker 2: so she can't say, oh, he can't testify against me

599
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: because we're married. He can testify to every single thing

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Speaker 2: she has said or done since this incident.

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Speaker 4: He actually did. He has an attorney and he's been

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Speaker 4: pretty cooperative with everything they've asked, and he's provided stuff evidence.

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Speaker 2: So question, Stephanie Reiker at Giovanni's mom, is the boyfriend

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Speaker 2: still with McKinley, Sloan, her Nandaz Are they still a couple?

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Speaker 4: Actually know he moved out of the house the Davis

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Speaker 4: all happened, and he moved in with his mother.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Angie Arnold say no more. That tells me everything

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Speaker 2: I need to know. He's going to testify against her.

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Speaker 2: M I'm telling you right now, and he better, he

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: better because if she has any history, if any other

611
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: child in her care has come home with bruises or lethargy,

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Speaker 2: he's in it because if he had any idea this

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Speaker 2: was happening, and it's his home. Basically, the daycare is

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Speaker 2: happening in his home, he's on the hook.

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Speaker 3: You better cough up pronto, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: How can you beat a child? How can someone be

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Speaker 10: beating a child in one room and someone's in another

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Speaker 10: room and can't hear what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So that's a great question. Stephanie Reikert. Did the boyfriend

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Speaker 3: have a job.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he actually did work. He's an electrician or he's

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Speaker 4: an electrician in training, and he goes to night school

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Speaker 4: as well. Wow, so I know for sure he does

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Speaker 4: those things.

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Speaker 2: You know, Chris Buyers, if these two were married, to

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Speaker 2: state would have a problem. But since there are just dating,

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Speaker 2: he can testify to everything he knows.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, he is going to definitely be the state's key

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Speaker 9: witness because gosh, it's so frustrating on investigations like this

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Speaker 9: when you know you've got a victim that can't tell

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Speaker 9: you what happened. So, yes, he is going to be

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Speaker 9: a huge key witness in them.

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Speaker 2: To Stephanie Ryckert, number one, do not let anybody talk

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Speaker 2: you into a cheap Please don't let her off with

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Speaker 2: a five year since she'll do two years and be out.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, there's no way we're going to let that happen.

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00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: And absolutely not. I feel like she should be charged

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Speaker 4: with attempted murder.

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Speaker 2: I do too, because this isn't I just dropped him.

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Speaker 2: She almost killed your baby. So what does Giovanni's dad

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Speaker 2: have to say about all this?

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Speaker 5: He's right here.

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Speaker 4: Would you like to talk to him?

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Speaker 3: I would love to.

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00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 5: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hi, is this Giovanni's dad? This is thank you for

647
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Speaker 2: being with us. What's your take on all of this?

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Speaker 5: Man? It was just something that came from left field.

649
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Speaker 5: You know, we didn't expect it ever in a million years.

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Speaker 5: You never think that somebody who you're trusting is going

651
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Speaker 5: to put your child in harm. Like the whole point

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Speaker 5: of him going with her was because we trusted her

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Speaker 5: and we thought that he was safe in her care,

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Speaker 5: that she really cared about him.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you, Anthony, why, And I'm not saying

656
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Speaker 2: you shouldn't have at all, but what about her made

657
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Speaker 2: you trust her? Because other parents trusted her as well.

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Speaker 2: It's not just you, but what about her was so trusting?

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't go far. It goes so far saying that

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Speaker 5: what about her was trusting. I don't want to start

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Speaker 5: because me personally, she wasn't exactly like my friend friend.

662
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: This was Stephanie's a friend which we happened to meet

663
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 5: because she happened to be dating one of my friends

664
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 5: years ago, and that's kind of how we all met.

665
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 5: So like I knew of her, but me being the dad,

666
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't really associate with her too much

667
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: with her friends, so they were always mostly in communication.

668
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 5: That's why the night when this happened, she only texted Stephanie.

669
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 5: She didn't I never got a text. Neither one of

670
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: us got a call from her. That the hospital actually

671
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 5: called my phone when it happened.

672
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: And what again did the text say, Anthony?

673
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 5: So the text that Stephanie got was you kind of

674
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 5: need to rush to Saint Anthony's because you have only

675
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 5: went lifeless after the bat went lifeless.

676
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: My rear end.

677
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: You know, Anthony, you understand Stephanie as a mom is

678
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: going to.

679
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: Be so distraught.

680
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: You have got to be strong for her and with her,

681
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: and do not let anybody talk you into a cheap plea.

682
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 5: Oh no, absolutely not.

683
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: This is attempted murder because this wasn't just dropping him

684
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Speaker 2: or one below.

685
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: Your baby.

686
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Geo was beaten, beaten over and over and ended up

687
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: in a coma because of what she did drunk, according

688
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: to prosecutors.

689
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Speaker 5: You know that night when we got to the hospital,

690
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 5: because we rushed to the hospital extremely fast. When we

691
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 5: got there, you know, both of us were our brains

692
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: weren't working at the moment, and when we first walked in,

693
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 5: they find out when we were asking, you know, were

694
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: Giovanni's parents. They finally said, hold on, let me get

695
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 5: the chaplain for you. Was the first thing that I

696
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 5: was told. Now I'm prior military, so you know when

697
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 5: they came out and they said let me get the chaplain,

698
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 5: I immediately first thing that went through my head was

699
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 5: my son was dead. Then they tried to take us

700
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 5: into a little waiting room. And when we went to

701
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 5: the waiting room, McKinley and her boyfriend were in that room,

702
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: so they took us away from there and they they

703
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 5: actually kicked us out of there and made us go

704
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 5: stand somewhere else. In the hospital till they came out.

705
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: So when the chaplain finally came out and we were

706
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 5: able to talk to her, the first thing I asked

707
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: was what was my son was alive? And she said, yes,

708
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 5: he's alive. You know, I think they were doing imaging

709
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 5: at the moment, which is why they brought the chaplain

710
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: out right away. But just the whole chain of events,

711
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, did not help. So, like Stephanie was saying,

712
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 5: we finally got to go back to that room, and

713
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: you know, it was a room no bigger than you know,

714
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 5: maybe ten by ten if that, and you know, bed

715
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 5: in the middle. He was strapped to it and a

716
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 5: zillion doctors around him, and Stephanie was sitting out so

717
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: she had to walk out. She had a little you know,

718
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: barf bag, hyperventilating, and I just kept asking, you know,

719
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 5: what happened to my son? Why does he look like this?

720
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 5: Why does he look like this? And then I just

721
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 5: remember the flight for life guys saying, you know, we're

722
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 5: going to get your son to because they had to

723
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 5: fight for life from the Children's hospital in Aurora. They

724
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: just kept telling me, we're going to get him there safe,

725
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 5: We're going to get him there safe as a guy

726
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 5: was like he looked like something at the top gun.

727
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: And then another guy with really long hair, and they

728
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: were awesome. And when we were walking out of the

729
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 5: hospital after they were like, we're going to take him

730
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 5: now to Children's hospital. As we were walking out, the

731
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 5: only thing that she ever said to us as we

732
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 5: were walking out, she looked at us, both the Baltimore

733
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 5: standing outside, and she goes, did they tell you anything?

734
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 5: And all I responded was their flight for life and

735
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 5: them the children's hospital, and that was the end of

736
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 5: the conversation. She didn't say anything else after that, and

737
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 5: we went to Children's and now have not heard from

738
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 5: her once. I do know that that night, you know,

739
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 5: the officers had like taken them into custody and took

740
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 5: their phones and that's when they started asking them a

741
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: bunch of questions. But I do know that now once

742
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 5: where they did they instruct her to not reach out

743
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 5: for anything, you know, and like I understand, accidents can happen,

744
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 5: and in a situation where it was an accident, if

745
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 5: it were me, I would be reaching out a thousand

746
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 5: times over. I wouldn't have left. I would have been

747
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 5: by the side, you know, the entire time, the fact

748
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 5: that she dropped him and then just left. You know,

749
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: I just don't see how anyone could even believe that

750
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 5: she didn't have anything to you know what I'm like.

751
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: Let me understand something Anthony with me?

752
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Is Giovanni's dad, Anthony to Stefano, And did you say

753
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: she dropped him?

754
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: Do you believe she dropped him?

755
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: Because if she dropped him, how did he get all

756
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: those slat marks and a bite?

757
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 5: I man dropped him off at the at the hospital.

758
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, got it.

759
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: Have you heard from her boyfriend?

760
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 5: No? But so again there's I guess there's a bunch

761
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: of evidence that we as the parents have not seen

762
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 5: because it's been this long gooing on investigation. When we

763
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 5: did talk to the detective, he did mention that the boyfriend,

764
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 5: his name is Dan, had been, you know, was really

765
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 5: curious about how Giovanni was. And at that time, the

766
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: last time we talked to the detective, we said it

767
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 5: was okay if that they gave him our contact information

768
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 5: if he wanted to reach out. But again, haven't heard

769
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 5: from either one of them.

770
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: But we do know those two have split.

771
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 5: Up, right, correct, that's for our understanding.

772
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: The last thing you want to do is have a

773
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: lifelong commitment with somebody that gets drunk and beats child. Now,

774
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know a lot of people get drunk

775
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: and they pass out, or they think they're funny and

776
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: they jokes, or they get sad they start crying, or

777
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: they drive and have a wreck.

778
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: But to get.

779
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: Drunk and then beat a child, this isn't just dropping

780
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: a child, guys, or he wouldn't have.

781
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: Bite marks, slap marks, all that.

782
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Doctor Gorniat, this is not a simple fall

783
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: based on what the medical doctors put in his record.

784
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 7: Absolutely not, absolutely not. And it's just interesting. I was

785
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 7: at a tendancive presentation and was just talking about simple

786
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 7: falls in children. So a simple fall would not cause

787
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 7: that much damage.

788
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm always amazed, doctor Gorniat, when somebody says, oh, the

789
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: baby fell out of the stroller and died.

790
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: That does not happen, right.

791
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 7: So was simple fall if she was holding him like

792
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 7: you were talking about the other case they slipped out

793
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 7: of the bathtub. I mean, just look at think of

794
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 7: the playground at parts, you know what I mean. I

795
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 7: know how many times I fell off the swing set

796
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 7: or the job, you know what I mean? And die exactly.

797
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 7: So with all the injury, it's not as simple. It's

798
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 7: not as simple fault. I mean the he sounds like

799
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 7: injuries he would have sustained in a car crashed like

800
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 7: your nephew, Anthony.

801
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: Question to you, what is the prognosis? What is Giovanni's future?

802
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: Has he had brain damage?

803
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: Number one?

804
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 5: So what we were told. Luckily we were able to

805
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 5: see a couple of the images from the last time

806
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 5: we were in the hospital and they said that he

807
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 5: didn't have any error, didn't show any type of brain damage.

808
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: Praise the Lord.

809
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 5: When they let us out. He had to leave. He

810
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 5: had to wear a helmet all the time because he

811
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 5: was missing the bone slab. Right, So if you didn't

812
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 5: know Giovanni, and other than the helmet, you'd look at

813
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 5: him and it seemed like, you know, nothing happened to him,

814
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 5: you would believe that there was nothing wrong with him

815
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 5: at all, nothing happened. He talks, He actually talks a

816
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 5: little bit more than what before this incident happened. You know,

817
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 5: there's slight difference, is like the irritability. It's very difficult

818
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 5: to divert him now when he gets upset, you know.

819
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 5: But and he's not as like he was always such

820
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 5: a sweet, loving boy, and he still is, but it's

821
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 5: it's only with me and his mother, like nobody and

822
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 5: his brothers obviously, but nobody else. It's just, you know,

823
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 5: he can't be away from us for more than two minutes.

824
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 5: That's why this has been difficult. We're passing the phone

825
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 5: back and forth. You know, one of us has to

826
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 5: be with them all the time. They just yeah, I

827
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 5: don't know, to be honest with you, he's just not

828
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 5: exactly the same. But he's still a happy little boy.

829
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: What is your message to parents looking for a babysitter?

830
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 5: You know, I understand it's been brought up many times, Like,

831
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 5: you know, there's many resources and stuff for this in

832
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 5: this situation. You know, at the time, money is tight

833
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 5: for us, you know, not we don't make a ton

834
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 5: of money. It was very difficult to afford like a

835
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 5: legit place. And when somebody that we trusted and believe

836
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 5: was our friend offered to do that for us for

837
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 5: a much better, more affordable price, and you know, of

838
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 5: course we were like, yo, that's awesome. You know, we

839
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 5: thought she was looking out for us and our kids.

840
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 5: Now my message is like, so I believe that there's

841
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 5: been things going on for a while that we as

842
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 5: parents were oblivious to, because again, we have a bunch

843
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 5: of boys, So they jump on the trampoline, they play,

844
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 5: they're rough, they come back with bruises and bumps all

845
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 5: the time.

846
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Speaker 13: Similar before oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I just

847
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 13: I never thought that she was doing anything, But like

848
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 13: now I realized there's there was times where GEO said,

849
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 13: you know, she pushed me or something like that, and

850
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 13: she'd say, oh, he fell and he hit his head

851
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 13: on this, and.

852
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: He'd come home with the bruise, and we again didn't

853
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 5: think much of it, kind of just kind of played

854
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 5: it off like oh, you're fine and the boys. Now,

855
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 5: I will say that if your kids ever ever mention

856
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 5: anything that you think is far fetched, whether it's a babysitter,

857
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 5: family member, anything, then hurting him, always look into it,

858
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 5: because I feel like if I had looked into it sooner,

859
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 5: I felt like I could have prevented this kind.

860
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: Of Please do dot torture yourself. I have crime victims

861
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: families forever. I even do it myself as a crime victim.

862
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: Torture myself about what could I have done differently, just

863
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: save my fiance to just.

864
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: Do it all the time.

865
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 2: And there you did everything right and very quickly into

866
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: Stasia's your main president childcare Professional Services. What was the

867
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: website you just gave us again.

868
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you go to childcare dot gov, no

869
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: matter what state you're in, there so pull down menu

870
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 6: where you can find your state and find the resources.

871
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 6: In Colorado, it's the Colorado Department of Early Childhood and

872
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 6: specifically their quality initiative is Colorado Shines. And what's interesting

873
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 6: and helpful for parents on that site is.

874
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Speaker 4: Not only do they.

875
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 6: Include all of the resources, but they also include a

876
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 6: list of childcare sites illegal childcare sites that were right

877
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 6: sent a season desist letter, so parents can go on

878
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Speaker 6: there and look.

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Speaker 2: As we go into the Christmas season, our prayers with

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Speaker 2: little Giovanni Reikert with his mother and his father for

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Speaker 2: healing and peace and.

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Speaker 3: Also for justice. May it rain down like lightning. Goodbye friend,