1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: So your teammates stood up for you or they felt 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: sorry for you? How to protect you? Which one was it? Uh? 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: Stood up from the AJA because they love me. 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: There's the overinflation there it is. 5 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 3: There's the over inflation of their athletic career. 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 4: It's the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 4: Oh wow, we've got Ken on a Friday and AJ 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 4: working on a Friday, so beware, but I'm going to 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 4: start with some bizz Ken. I read through the notes 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 4: column and I wanted to begin with your first base 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 4: trade ideas first baseman who could land on teams that 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 4: need them? 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 5: Your thoughts, well, I said in the column that I 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 5: generally hate playing a guessing game, saying, ah. 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: This player might fit here. 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 5: It really works out that way, and we should be 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 5: reporting on this stuff, not speculating. But I did it 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 5: myself anyway, of course, because I'm guilty of it as well. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 5: And in this particular case, we've got Josh Naylor of 20 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 5: the Diamondbacks. 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: Ryan O'Hearn of the Orioles. 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 5: Both those teams not committed sellers yet I think they 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 5: will be sellers. Most of the industry believes they will 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 5: be sellers. And there are three teams with obvious needs 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 5: at first base. San Francisco is one DFA Lamont wayde Junior, 26 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 5: and they've got Dominic Smith now, good game last night, but. 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: He's more of a stopgap. 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 5: Seattle is another rowdy Telez has hit him home runs 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 5: on base is really low. 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: And then Boston. We know all about Boston and them 31 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: needing a first baseman. 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 5: So it seems to me that those teams should be 33 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 5: in on those guys. But who knows what the next 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 5: seven weeks might bring. And that's the caveat here with 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 5: all of this trade talk. 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: Right now, it's really early. 37 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 6: Now. 38 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 5: There was a trade today, obviously, but that was a 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 5: very unique situation. But so much is going to play 40 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: out over the next seven weeks. I wrote about Arcontra 41 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 5: yesterday and how he looked better in his last two starts, 42 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 5: admittedly against Colorado and Pittsburgh, but going forward, he's got 43 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 5: a chance now to restore his value, to become the 44 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 5: pitcher that we all thought he would be, maybe not 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 5: right away coming off Tommy John, but certainly in some 46 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 5: reasonable time frame. 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: So here we go. 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: Keen, we talked heavily about Savale in his trade request 49 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: and I said he was gonna get trade at Cratston. 50 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: Think he the Bruers a trade on what I did. 51 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: The Brewers aren't a team to sit around and have 52 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: someone you know, it's not happy. They're stick around, So 53 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: I applaud them for doing it. But why don't we 54 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: see more of. 55 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: This in Major League Baseball? It happens in other sports. 56 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: You see it in football, you see it in basketball, 57 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: But in baseball this doesn't happen as often. 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Why not? 59 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 5: The deadline drives so much activity, and it's like anything 60 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 5: else in life. Aja, people don't move until they have 61 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 5: a deadline. And in this case of Savali, it was 62 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 5: a different situation. It was different because they had a 63 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 5: seeming surplus of starters. He was bumped from the rotation. 64 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 5: He is a potential free agent who wants to can 65 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 5: continues starting, so he asked for a trade, and the 66 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: Brewers honored his request, and it did happen more quickly 67 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 5: than I thought. I thought this would need some time 68 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: to play out. But the White Sox surely want a 69 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 5: veteran starter, and they can flip Savali if he performs 70 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: well over the next seven weeks. It was a good 71 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 5: deal for them. And for the Brewers they get a 72 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 5: guy and Andrew On. I do not know what has 73 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 5: happened to Andrew On, number three pick in the draft 74 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 5: not so long ago, but maybe he goes to Triple A, 75 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 5: finds himself a little bit. 76 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: And contributes to the Brewers down the stretch. 77 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: Does this make a change, Because NBA this happens all 78 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: the time football. You hear about, Oh I'm not happy, 79 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna baseball. This is rare that it gets out. 80 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's not happening behind the scenes, but 81 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: do you feel like this is a shift or is 82 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: it such a unique situation where Savali's on a free 83 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: agent year. He's not a big name, but he was 84 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: upset and it came out. 85 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 5: It's somewhat unique. And we were tipped off yesterday that 86 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 5: he had requested the trade agent confirmed it. I went 87 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 5: to the agent with the information, so we were going 88 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 5: to go with it anyway, but he did confirm it. 89 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 5: And it is unusual that it does get public for 90 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: whatever reason. And teams, of course love their secrets, they 91 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 5: love them more than anything, and players generally don't want 92 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 5: to look bad, and Sabali, you could possibly say, look 93 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 5: bad for this, although it was certainly understandable why he 94 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 5: would want a trade in the circumstance he was in. 95 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 5: So it doesn't get out much. It does happen behind 96 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 5: the scenes. I would expect more often than not in 97 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 5: situations like this where a player is kind of boxed in, 98 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 5: where his opportunity has been taken away or isn't there 99 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 5: in the first place, and that's why you see deals 100 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 5: of this nature occur. 101 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 4: Ken, what did you think of the other side of 102 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: this one? Andrew Vaughn moves over to the Brewers and 103 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 4: we're talking about how it's kind of I don't want 104 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: to say sad, but just wild to see how how. 105 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 6: Quickly the game changes in terms of teams. 106 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 4: And obviously the White Sox has been terrible for the 107 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 4: last couple of years, but Lloyjamenez kind of given away 108 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 4: last year, and now Vaughn, who's been down in Triple 109 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: A moving on to the Brewers. What do you think 110 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 4: of that side of the story. 111 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 5: Scott, That's an interesting way to look at it, because 112 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 5: the White Sox at one time, not long ago twenty one, 113 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 5: had this core of Vaughan Jimenez, Tim Anderson, Jan Mancato, 114 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 5: all of these players. 115 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: And right now pretty much all of them are gone. 116 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 5: Vaughn is a guy that it's a little bit of 117 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 5: a mystery to me what has happened, And I will 118 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 5: admit I have. 119 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: Not followed it as closely as perhaps I should have. 120 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 5: But a change of scenery in this particular player's case 121 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 5: might be a very good thing because he is not 122 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 5: a player without talent. He would not have been the 123 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 5: number three pick in the draft if he lacked talent. 124 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 5: But for whatever reason, over the last several years, it 125 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: has just gone south for him. 126 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: Maybe the environment's part of it. 127 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 5: They certainly can't blame it all that it's on the player. 128 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 5: It'll be interesting to see now if with this change 129 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 5: of scene he somehow revives, and we'll see it's something 130 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 5: that will play out here over the next several weeks 131 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 5: and months. And if he does revive, then for the 132 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 5: Brewers this was terrific. 133 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: He talked about an environment that he was put into. 134 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: He was put into a playoff environment right there in 135 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: twenty one, right away, so he was around a successful team. 136 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: Is this more an AJ kind of asked me the 137 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: same question. I didn't really know the answer early. Is 138 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: this more an indictment on developing kids at the big 139 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: leagues for the White Sox, or lack of developing them 140 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: in the minor leagues and then getting them called up, 141 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: Because if you say it's the minor leagues, they took 142 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: that guy and then made him the GM of the 143 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: big league team. 144 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 5: Now, I don't have an answer for that, Eric, I 145 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 5: don't know exactly the percentage of blame how to allocate it, 146 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 5: but certainly you're accurate in saying that the general manager 147 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 5: of the White Sox, Chris Gets used to be their 148 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 5: farm director. Now, if I recall, Andrew Vaughn was not 149 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 5: in the minor leagues very long. So whether it's a 150 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 5: failure of development, whether he just stalled for whatever reason, again, 151 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 5: I'm not entirely sure. Actually made some calls on this 152 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 5: today asking around because I'd like to know what happens. 153 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 5: Haven't found out yet, haven't gotten those calls back, So again, 154 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 5: whatever the answer might be there, he has a fresh 155 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 5: start here, he has an opportunity to do some good things, 156 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 5: and the Brewers are going to give him that opportunity. 157 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: They badly need offense. 158 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 5: So if he does anything at all at Triple A, 159 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 5: I would expect it they give him a chance to 160 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 5: contribute at the major league level. 161 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: Crats, you look different today? Do I see chubby shorts 162 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: on your shoulder? 163 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: Oh? This the sick design. 164 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: I mean, don't even get it twisted too, because the 165 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: lining normally is like an SOS pad. This lining that's 166 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: in the center is so soft, so smooth the outside. 167 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: So many things to choose from on chubby shorts dot com. 168 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: Facts and the code foul for twenty percent off. I 169 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: got the Tiger Sharks old blend of a tiger and 170 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: a shark. It's beautiful, so don't wait for a very 171 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: limited time shop Chubby's biggest sale of the year forty 172 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: five dollars shorts and up to sixty five percent off 173 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: select year. Hit up chubby shorts dot com and grab 174 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: your favorites before they're gone. If you miss the sale, 175 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 4: then use the FT code foul in lowercase for twenty 176 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: percent off support FT. Let them know we sent you 177 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: when the survey asks, and get ready to turn some heads. 178 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: Summer's here. Dress like it in chubbies Ken. I've got 179 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 4: a super track question. It's a good one here from Alex. 180 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 4: I'm going to do this while I ask it because 181 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 4: this will probably be a factor. With willia Damas having 182 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: a bad year at the plate. Will this prevent any 183 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: big bats from wanting to sign in the future with 184 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: San Francisco. 185 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 5: Well, I know why you were rubbing your fingers, Scott, 186 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: because obviously players go where the money is, and if 187 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 5: the Giants make the best offer for a free agent bat, 188 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 5: they're going to get in many cases, as long as 189 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 5: it's the best offer the free agent bat. That's how 190 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 5: this thing works. And I don't know that willia Damas 191 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 5: had any other suitors at the level where the Giants were. 192 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: Now again, are we talking about. 193 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 5: The ballpark here or are we talking about the player? 194 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 5: And are we talking about the adjustment in a free 195 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 5: agent scenario, much like Wan Soto went through with the Mets. 196 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 5: Sometimes it takes guy's time, and willia Damas of late 197 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 5: has been a little bit better. He shit some home runs, 198 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 5: hit some balls hard, so I expect him to still 199 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 5: be a good player for them this year. Williadamas was 200 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 5: never a superstar. He was a good player, good offensive player, 201 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 5: good defender. But to ask him to be something more 202 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 5: than that is probably asking too much. So you certainly 203 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 5: can ask for more than they've gotten and they should 204 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: get more than they've gotten. But at the same time, 205 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: I don't know that it affects anything in the future 206 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 5: as far as free agent recruiting with the Giants. 207 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 3: By the way, you can't blame no one wants to 208 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: blame everything on the park like it's he's off to 209 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: a rough start. I mean, look at him before he 210 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: went to the Brewers. He wasn't that great. Like before 211 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 3: he went to the Brewers. He went to the Brewers, 212 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: figured something out. Now he's not on the Brewers anymore. 213 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: Stuff happens, I don't know, but he got paid, so 214 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: good for him. Good for you, Willie, Good for you. 215 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: But let's talk about another guy took a chance and 216 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: went to a place where, you know, pitching's supposed to 217 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 3: be hard to do. Ryan Yarborough went to the Yankees, right, 218 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 3: No one's supposed to be able to pitch the Yankee Stadium. 219 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: It's a home run hitters park. 220 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: He's doing okay, and he's thriving after leaving the Blue Jays. 221 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wrote about him today, and it's an interesting 222 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 5: story because the Jays had a chance to keep him 223 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 5: and when spring training ended, they basically asked him for 224 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 5: a clause in his minor league deal in which if 225 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 5: they added him to the major league roster, they would 226 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 5: have forty five days to evaluate him and then release him. 227 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 5: If they didn't want him, terminate the deal right there, 228 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 5: not owe him any more money. He signs the same 229 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 5: deal with the Yankees. The incentives were a little bit different. 230 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: That's it. 231 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 5: And I asked him why, and he said, well, with 232 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 5: the Blue Jays, I had proven myself in the final 233 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 5: two months. 234 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 6: Of last year. 235 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 5: I didn't know why they would want that from me. 236 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 5: With the Yankees, Okay, they haven't seen me. 237 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: It's a new team. 238 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 5: I'm willing to take that same thing and that forty 239 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 5: five day risk where I could get terminated. And yes, 240 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 5: he has thrived, as sometimes pitchers. 241 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: Do with the Yankees after going there. 242 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 5: Luke Weaver is another great example of a relatively unheralded 243 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 5: guy who gets into the Yankees pitching factory and suddenly 244 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 5: becomes more than he was before. That's what we've seen 245 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 5: from Yarborough so far. Now, admittedly it's not a lengthy 246 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 5: sample size, but he had five really good starts before 247 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 5: last weekend against Boston, where he allowed eight runs in 248 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 5: four innings. He faces the Red Sox again tonight. Historically 249 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 5: has had huge problems with the Red Sox, so we'll see. 250 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 5: But for the Yankees, it proved to be at least 251 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 5: somewhat of a good move for the first several months 252 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 5: of the season, and the Jay's it turns out, could 253 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 5: have used a guy like that. Even as well as 254 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 5: they're playing, they still could use a guy like Ryan Yarborough, 255 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 5: who is over the years proven to be a pretty 256 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 5: difficult guy to hit, even though he doesn't throw very hard. 257 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: Hey, Ken, he pitched your next, your next, a Jamie 258 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: were fighting, you got last one. I'm going to go 259 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: second to last. So Yarborough of course had some issues 260 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 4: with the Red Sox back to his Raise days. That's 261 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 4: where he pitched, you know, most of the beginning of 262 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: his career, first half of his career, whatever you want 263 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 4: to call it. I did want to get to what 264 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: you wrote about in your notes column on the Rays, 265 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: because I think there's a larger discussion at play. Sometimes 266 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 4: people look at the race and think they're the forward 267 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 4: thinking org so they kind of walk everyone into openers 268 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 4: and using up your bullpen as much as possible, and 269 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: then boom, this year their starters are more useful than 270 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 4: maybe any rotation in baseball. So when'd you wrote about 271 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 4: what do you think about the direction where they're heading. 272 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 5: It's a really interesting development to see them lead the 273 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 5: league in rotation innings and with the Rays when they 274 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 5: were using openers and introducing that and bulk pitchers. The 275 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 5: way Eric Neander, their president of Baseball Operations, explains it, 276 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 5: they were trying to develop guys. They wanted relievers pitching 277 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 5: at the start of the game, maybe to release the 278 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 5: pressure on them a little bit. 279 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: Granted there's pressure at the start of. 280 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 5: The game, but it's not quite the same as a 281 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 5: tie game in the eighth inning. They also didn't have 282 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 5: starters to go seven or eight innings, and some of 283 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: the guys who were developing they wanted to use in 284 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 5: bulk rolls so they wouldn't have to face the top 285 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 5: of the order three times, just the two times perhaps, 286 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 5: and then get through. 287 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: It and get out of there. 288 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 5: Now they have the capability because of the personnel that 289 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 5: they have to do more to have a traditional rotation, 290 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 5: and what Neanders said is that's the goal. We all 291 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 5: want seven innings starters. And while the Rays were criticized 292 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 5: for trying to reinvent the wheel, being too cute. 293 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: And all of that. 294 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 5: The reality was they were doing it in their minds 295 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 5: out of necessity. Now they don't have that same necessity. 296 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 5: They have five quality starters and six if Shane McClanahan 297 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 5: ever comes back. That's kind of in jeopardy right now 298 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 5: in concern. So we'll see how it all plays out 299 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 5: for them, because things will change over the course of 300 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 5: the year. Of course, you will see pictures get hurt, 301 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 5: you will see them become more ineffective. They've got a 302 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 5: question now with Shane bozz is he pitching well enough 303 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 5: to kind of stay in the rotation. But the Rays 304 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 5: have gotten a ton of work out of their starters 305 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: and it's been beneficial to them. And as the Unders 306 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 5: said again, it's the goal all along. It's just you 307 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 5: have to have the capability to do it, the right 308 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 5: pictures to. 309 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: Do it with. 310 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: Ken, You're you're in New York, a New York game. 311 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: You have a big game tomorrow their Red Sox. 312 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: And the Yankees. Sorry, it's Boston age as Boston, New York. 313 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Same difference, Ken. 314 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 6: Two hours two hours, two hours? 315 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: Can you can walk there to the least. 316 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 6: That joke, but I get in. 317 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, hundred Dobbins is pitching tomorrow. Is he gonna get 318 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: a standing ovation from Red Sox fans when he takes 319 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: the mound? After all the crappy he went through this 320 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: past week, with all the stuff we had him on 321 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: here yesterday, he did a back down. He's like, yeah, 322 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: bring it, I don't care. I ain't scared, right, it 323 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: was an awesome interview. But tomorrow, when he takes the 324 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 3: mount at Fenway after pitching against the Yankees last time, 325 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: saying what he said in New York, now he gets 326 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: to go to Fenway against the same team, are you 327 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: expecting some special out of the Fenway crowd? 328 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 5: It's a good question, probably because he said he wouldn't 329 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 5: ever go to the Yankees. He'd retire rather than be 330 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: a Yankee. You talk about all the crap he went through, 331 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 5: aj it was self inflicted. He's still he said things 332 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 5: that were proven to be very quickly not true. So 333 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 5: I understand what he said about not fact checking his 334 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 5: father on the show. I thought that was a pretty 335 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 5: good line. 336 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 6: I get it. 337 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 5: And I heard Jim Rome yesterday of all people talking 338 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: about this, saying, Hey, what father hasn't inflated his past 339 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 5: athletic accomplishments. Fair point, But at the same time he 340 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 5: was rightly called out. 341 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 6: When you say things that aren't true, I'm sorry. 342 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 5: Yes, it's fair for reporters to check and see, Wait, 343 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 5: what is he talking about here? So that's what happened. 344 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 5: Whether he's a hero to Red Sox Nation because of it, 345 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 5: guys have been a hero for dumber reasons. So all 346 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 5: the power to him if that's the case. 347 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: Have you lied to your kids ken about your athletic accomplishments? 348 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. 349 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: And you know what the answer is, no, because there's 350 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 5: nothing to speak of. 351 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: We weren't even good at like Kiddley Winks or Jack. 352 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 6: I was last guy. 353 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 5: All right, Aja, here again. 354 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: You can tell you I was the last guy picked 355 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: in basketball? Can we get you know? 356 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 5: I was the last guy on the worst soccer team 357 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 5: on the island, and my senior year, because I was 358 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 5: three foot six, the coach wanted to play me on 359 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: jv for a fourth straight year, and I said, now, 360 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 5: please put me on varsity. Even if I got to 361 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 5: be on the bench, I want to be with my friends. 362 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 5: And that's what it was. So there were no athletic 363 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 5: accomplishments to speak of a j I don't have to 364 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 5: lie about anything. 365 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 6: Okay, varsity? 366 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: So wait, hold up, you can play JV for four years. 367 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: I didn't know you could play. 368 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 6: Rules in New York junior varsity as a senior. You can? 369 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: I mean I never heard of that. I guess, well, 370 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: you never saw a player like me AJ, true, true, 371 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: Hopefully we never see another one. Ken. 372 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 3: That's exactly like my big league career. I was like, 373 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: I am sick of being in Triple A. I want 374 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: to be up in the big leagues with my friends. 375 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: So they were like, go for it. 376 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: Yep. 377 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 5: And my only accomplishment as a senior on the soccer 378 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 5: team was getting run over by some kid on another 379 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 5: team and that prompted a. 380 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: Full scale brawl. That was it. That's my are similar. 381 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: So we are similar than much. 382 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 6: That there was an actual fight on the field after that. 383 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. 384 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: You see your team stood up for you or they 385 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: felt sorry for you and how to protect you. Which 386 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: one was it? 387 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: Uh? 388 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 5: Stood up for me AJ because they loved me. 389 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 390 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: There's the over inflation there, it is. There's the over 391 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: inflation of their athletic career, right, there. 392 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: You just got to do it. See, this is how 393 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: we set you up. 394 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 6: Well, this is it. 395 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 4: You can say my senior year on varsity, I incited 396 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 4: a brawl. 397 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 6: Nothing, nothing, that's it. 398 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: It's it's not cool, you said, No, he's factual. 399 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's actual. Exactly. 400 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: Yes, this is why A left New York. This is 401 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 3: why AJ left New York. He couldn't have handled it. 402 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: He was too soft. He had to go to Florida. 403 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I never started any brawls in high school. 404 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: No, I'm sure, I'm not sure A day was the 405 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 4: quiet kid in the back. 406 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 6: I'm sure he waited. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, he said. 407 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: I told the story about hitting the picture in the 408 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 3: head the other day when they get and the dude 409 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: got it, others got it. 410 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: I got kicked out of that game. Sorry, Ken, And. 411 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 4: I said Hi, And I said Ken, I warned you 412 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 4: Aj on a Friday. But enjoy have a great game tomorrow. 413 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 4: We'll talk to you next week. 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The Tigers actually 443 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: don't have MLB's best record at the moment. This was 444 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 4: from a few days ago, but they do have the 445 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: second largest attendance jump, so props to them on that front. 446 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 4: The attendance gain is about forty percent compared to this 447 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 4: time last season. About seven seven hundred fans on an 448 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: average game on a boost to attendance this year. I 449 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 4: didn't praise that really well, but about almost eight thousand 450 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: more fans per game. 451 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: That's really good. 452 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: What if you're good, people come watch you, I mean, Boom, 453 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 3: You spend money and you make the right moves and 454 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: you're pretty good, and you make the playoffs the year before, 455 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 3: and then you have excitement. You bring back Flairty, you know, 456 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 3: you bring in some of these guys school GOLs back 457 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: after the cy young guess what they do. 458 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: People come out and watch you. 459 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 3: You gotta spend money to make money At this slowl one, teams. 460 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: Are starting to figure that out. 461 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: I think maybe, wait, I want to know who the 462 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: who's the biggest attendance? Jump? 463 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: If they're second, who's first? Mets? 464 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 6: Probably? I know the Mets are up big, Yes it is. 465 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 6: It's Mets. 466 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 3: So the Mets are ahead of them in the standings 467 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: and the attendance. Yep, Mets on the time. 468 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 4: Wait, so when BET's on the Tigers, when you're good 469 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 4: and you add, you make more money. 470 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: Usually that's how it works. 471 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on. 472 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: No, yes, Bob Nutting watching right now. Pirates owner Bob 473 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: Nutting needs the hear this. When you've got a core 474 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: and you put a little bit into it, you actually 475 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 4: make more. 476 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 6: No, that's it. 477 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 4: Could be hard to grasp when you haven't made a 478 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 4: dime on your own. But that's how this works. It's 479 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 4: that simple. And it's not just ticket sales. 480 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 6: Crafts. 481 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 4: Sales of Tigers merch on MLB's online shop up forty 482 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 4: percent so far this season. Consumption of Tigers games outside 483 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: their market is up a ton. Inside the market's obviously 484 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 4: up a ton too, up almost one hundred percent. 485 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 6: So they're thriving. 486 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: No, that's no way. There's no way your portfolio could 487 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: ever get better in if you own a sports team, 488 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: because they win. 489 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: That's not. 490 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 3: There's no correlation there, there's no correlation. It's just stay 491 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 3: status quo. Hire a GM that doesn't want to make 492 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 3: any moves. He just wants to keep his job for 493 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: five to seven years and just you know, just float 494 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: along in life and watch your the value of your 495 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: organization go up. Winning doesn't matter, No way, no way, 496 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 3: more fans would come out in Pittsburgh. They don't love 497 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: the way they do everything I just said with sarcasm. 498 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 4: And they I mentioned them because I don't know where 499 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: they are market wise, but they're probably pretty close in 500 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 4: market size. They have a sick ballpark, and they did 501 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 4: their rebuild around the same time as the Tigers. And 502 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 4: look where the Tigers are now, and look where the 503 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 4: Pirates are now. 504 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: Just saying, how much money per game? 505 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: If you average almost eight thousand fans per game, how 506 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: much more money per game do you think the Tigers 507 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 3: make this year over last year? 508 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 6: Millions? Many millions. 509 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just I don't know, it's just a 510 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: ques I don't know the answer, but I'm just I mean, 511 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: I feel like we should take a guess at that 512 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 3: because eight thousand more and what's the average ticket fifty? 513 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: If it's fifty. 514 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 6: Bucks and how many home games? 515 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying that's 516 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: one game. 517 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 3: So that if you let's say you do twenty five 518 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: million dollars, so a million dollars a game. 519 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: By the time you factor in concessions and parking and all. 520 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 6: That, we're way higher. We're way higher. 521 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: So let's do eight thousand fans, okay, times fifty dollars 522 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: a ticket. 523 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 6: Okay, time times eighty games? 524 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: Ish yeah, no, no, yeah, I said a million a game. 525 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: While I'm already at and and they make a ton 526 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 4: of food and everything else, we're already at thirty two 527 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: million dollars we've. 528 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: Before, we before, that's just before food. 529 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 4: You can probably double that on food, merch, et cetera. 530 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: So we're at them making maybe seventy million dollars more. 531 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: What isn't that what I said? 532 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: I don't know. 533 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 4: I gotta be honest. I usually do listen to you, 534 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 4: but I was doing math. No, but I had to 535 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 4: I had to focus crats. 536 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: Okay, how much did they spend? How much should they spend? 537 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 3: I mean that that's seventy million, isn't they're making more 538 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 3: than that? 539 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Because then if they get to the postseason. 540 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: And plus the advertising rates of their games because the 541 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 3: viewership is up goes up. 542 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: You sell on more on ads, you sell more on sponsorships, billboards, everything, Right, 543 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 4: So call it one hundred. 544 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 6: They didn't spend one hundred, and even. 545 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: If they did, they're still gonna make They're gonna make 546 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: more than that. 547 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 4: They got Flaherty, they got labor. They tried to get Bregman, 548 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 4: but they got Tommy Kinley. 549 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 6: Add all that up. But this is the point. The 550 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 6: Pirates could do the same thing to a t right. 551 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: The Pirates don't have as good of a corps though. 552 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 6: What No, but they could have done. 553 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: They don't have as good of. 554 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 3: A corm So they don't, don't They don't have as 555 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: good of a corps what the Tigers. 556 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: Have right now. Yeah, but they could have. 557 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: The Tigers built. The Tigers built this whole corps originally 558 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 3: around Casey mis Jackson, Joe. There was like there was 559 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: like three like prime pitching candidates exactly what the Pirates 560 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 3: are doing. Yeah, but I'm talking position wise, Riley Green, Spencer, Torkleson, 561 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: Kerry Carpenter, Harry Carpenter, Parker Meadows. They've already had bias right. 562 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: I mean, why did they have what they're better players 563 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 3: than what the Pirates have. Why don't why don't the 564 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: Pirates ever make any position players ever since? I mean, 565 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: key Brian Hayes, they paid him, what's happened with that? 566 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: I mean they were like, Oh, this is going to 567 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: be the real deal, Ryan Reynolds, O'Neill, O'Neil Cruz, Like 568 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: they had guys that were going to be the guys 569 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: they drafted Henry Davis one to one somewhere in there, 570 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 3: somewhere in the drafting to the developing guys to be 571 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: big leaguers, they're falling flat. 572 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: On their face in my opinion. Well, that's my point. 573 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 3: The Tigers have better players. That's why the Pirates can't 574 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 3: do this. Because the Tigers have better players. Whether there's development, draft, 575 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, they have better players 576 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 3: than the Pirates do. 577 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm saying, if the Pirates spent like the 578 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: Tigers spent this past offseason, is there a chance that 579 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 4: they'd be involved. 580 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: They'd be better than what they are right now. Of course, 581 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: they'd be better if they. 582 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: Brought in another good starting pitcher, a starting infielder, and 583 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: some other couple bullpen pieces. Absolutely, they'd be better, but 584 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: they're not gonna do that. So, I mean, it sounds 585 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 3: great to talk, well, they're never they're not going. 586 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: To do it. 587 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 6: Twenty twenty one. 588 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 4: By the way, when they picked Davis Jackson, Job was 589 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 4: picked by the Tigers third overall. Obviously Job is now 590 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: going to be out for a season and a half, 591 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: but he's got a chance to be a top end starter. 592 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, Tigers have been doing it right. 593 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: So, I mean, Henry Davis wasn't a catcher, and then 594 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 3: they tried to make him a catcher. He could hit 595 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 3: when he wasn't catching ice catching, and he can't hit. 596 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: It's like the turn is it, He'll change. You can't 597 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: miss on one one. I'm sorry, you cannot miss on 598 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: one one. 599 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 4: I agree one other thing and you can definitely comment 600 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 4: on this. We talked about it for a second the 601 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: other day. We've got Yankees Red Sox again this weekend. 602 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 4: Fox Sports had announced after last weekend that they had 603 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: three million plus viewers for Baseball Night in America, highlighted 604 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 4: of course by Red Sox. Yankees don't overlook AJS. 605 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: SI, don't overlook by Brewer game. 606 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 6: It was actually a great game. 607 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: But it was actually a lot better of a game. 608 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 2: Yes it was that. 609 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 6: The other one was ten that's. 610 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: Included in there by the way, I just want to 611 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 3: know our ten homes that watched. I know, but I 612 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 3: think we went to three point seven percent of the country. 613 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 4: Okay, but it was the most watched regular season telecast 614 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 4: on any network since two thousand and two. There's all 615 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 4: kinds of good stuff, and you knows. The press releases 616 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: are what they are. The team, you know, I read through, 617 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: most watched since a game between those two and twenty 618 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 4: twenty two. It was their best performance for a Saturday 619 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 4: telecast since a June twenty eighteen game between the Cubs 620 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: and the Cardinals, and that overall viewership is up sixty 621 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: one percent over last year's average. So ratings are up 622 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: and Yankees Red Sox still sells. 623 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 3: People always ask listen, people always ask why do they 624 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: only do the Red Sox and the Yankees? Because people watch, 625 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: people watch. Every time they put it on, people still watch. 626 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: That's why listen players complain all the time, Well, we 627 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: got Friday Night Apple, we got Saturday Fox, and we 628 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 3: got Sunday Night Baseball. Guess what if you're on a 629 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: crappy team. Guess that you don't get Friday Night Apples, 630 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 3: Saturday Night Fox, Sunday Night ESPN. Trust me, I was 631 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: on the White Sox, I was on Twins. We weren't 632 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 3: on any of that stuff. But we weren't very good. 633 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: We were good, we got we stuck in on those. 634 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: And then you have the other side where there's players, 635 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 4: even in the playoffs, would be like, oh, we're playing 636 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: the early game. 637 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 6: It's like, what do you want? 638 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: You want to Brewers, Rockies, guess that you're getting. You're 639 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: getting the one PM game. I'm sorry you are. I'm 640 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: sorry you are. You're getting the one. You're getting the 641 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: early You're getting the early slot. 642 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 4: That is a big whaf for me too. You play 643 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 4: when you play. But also, this is just how money works. 644 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 6: It'd be like complaining about anything else in life. 645 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: Like, there's about seven teams probably in MLB that that outrate. 646 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 3: It's Bats, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, Cardinals, Phillies. Phillies 647 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: are good and then Giants when they're good you can 648 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: throw them in. So there's eight right there that outrate 649 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 3: every pretty much everybody across the board. Sorry, that's just 650 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: the way it works. That's why when you turn on 651 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 3: Sunday Night Baseball, Fox, Saturday, Apple, they try to get 652 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: those teams. 653 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: But see then you look at Toronto. Toronto's never on those. 654 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 6: That's a different story because they don't you don't get half. 655 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: The ratings because they're they're in Canada. 656 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 6: So that's why you never see them on that stuff. 657 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 6: But that's different.