Speaker 1: When the Pilgrim Fathers came to America in search of
Speaker 1: religious and political freedom, they settled in the northeastern sector
Speaker 1: of our country known as New England, a part of
Speaker 1: New England after the English county of Hampshire came to
Speaker 1: be known as New Hampshire. New Hampshire is a land
Speaker 1: of history, a contentment, and charm. For those of you
Speaker 1: who are looking for a thrill, here you have it.
Speaker 1: In the Cannon Mountain Aerial Tramway. It's a fascinating, breath
Speaker 1: taking ride, and as your car nears the summit, there
Speaker 1: is an unforgettable view of the White Mountain National Part.
Speaker 1: One of nature's most awe inspiring worked is this giant
Speaker 1: profile of the Old Man of the Mountains, sculptured out
Speaker 1: of the granite cliffs at Franconia Knock. In the previous
Speaker 1: two episodes, we've looked at how what we know about
Speaker 1: memory and regression. Hypnosis raised serious doubts about Betty and
Speaker 1: Barney Hill's story of alien abduction, but these doubts don't
Speaker 1: apply to the parts of the September trip that Betty
Speaker 1: and Barney remembered before hypnosis. Dr Benjamin Simon, who conducted
Speaker 1: the hypnosis sessions with the Hills said that while he
Speaker 1: believed the memories from hypnosis were from Betty's dreams, something
Speaker 1: had actually happened that night. The question is what I'm
Speaker 1: Toby Ball and this is strange. Arrivals Episode seven, motion parallax.
Speaker 1: The Hills planned to spend the night of September in Montreal.
Speaker 1: They'd driven about two hours that morning from a motel
Speaker 1: west of Montreal and became lost in the city before
Speaker 1: deciding to drive eight hours through the night to their
Speaker 1: home in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. UFO researcher Robert Shaefer one
Speaker 1: thing that people don't often note is that they had
Speaker 1: been driving for a very long time. I think they
Speaker 1: had been on the road, like twelve hours or more,
Speaker 1: and if you talk about distracted drivers, that concern certainly
Speaker 1: applies here. Betty at first saw a light that seemed
Speaker 1: to be following them, and she was convinced that it
Speaker 1: was a UFO. Her excitedness gradually got Barney to be
Speaker 1: excited as well. The first stop they made to get
Speaker 1: a better look at this light was just north of
Speaker 1: Franconian Notch State Park. From episode one, Kathleen Martin, as
Speaker 1: she watched this, and it grew larger and larger. She
Speaker 1: became very curious, so south of Twin Mountain, she asked
Speaker 1: Barney to stop by the side of the road. This
Speaker 1: was at the Mount Cleveland picnic area, and they got
Speaker 1: out of the car with binoculars and looked up at
Speaker 1: this thing in the sky. There's this period of time
Speaker 1: when they are south of Lancaster, New Hampshire, until they
Speaker 1: get close to Cannon Mountain, when the light is a
Speaker 1: long way off but seems to be getting closer and
Speaker 1: is moving around in the sky. There are two possible
Speaker 1: explanations for this that I want to talk about. The
Speaker 1: most common among skeptics is that at this point in
Speaker 1: the journey, Eddie is seeing the planet Jupiter. But why
Speaker 1: would she think it was moving and getting closer. Robert Schaeffer,
Speaker 1: followed by skeptoid host Brian dunning Well, the road curves
Speaker 1: and the mountains are there hiding and revealing the Moon
Speaker 1: and Jupiter and anything else that they might be looking at.
Speaker 1: Is very common in the in the history of the
Speaker 1: UFO sightings and even at the present time. But people
Speaker 1: say this object was following us. It was moving from
Speaker 1: one side of the road to the other. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, many roads, especially in mountainous areas, do not
Speaker 1: go on a straight line. They curved back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's very easy to get confused about, you know, what
Speaker 1: direction you're looking at something that isn't really in question.
Speaker 1: That's a very common thing, amount you know, UFO sightings.
Speaker 1: I am persuaded that that is a very good explanation
Speaker 1: for the white light that they saw in the sky.
Speaker 1: I have had similar experiences myself. I've done a lot
Speaker 1: of sailing, and when you see a light in the
Speaker 1: distance and your on a boat and the boat's moving,
Speaker 1: the illusion that it's the light that's moving and not
Speaker 1: you can be extremely persuasive. I do think that that
Speaker 1: is a sufficient explanation for the white light that they reported.
Speaker 1: I've heard that people do get confused by planets at night,
Speaker 1: but I still have a hard time believing that this
Speaker 1: misidentification of Jupiter is the beginning of the Hill encounter.
Speaker 1: Even fatigued driving dark, lonely roads at night, I just
Speaker 1: can't picture it. I attended a meeting of the Granite
Speaker 1: State Skeptics, a group in New Hampshire that gets together
Speaker 1: once a month to discuss paranormal phenomena. I brought up
Speaker 1: that I didn't quite buy the Jupiter explanation. One of
Speaker 1: the people there, a retired Air Force officer named Steve Lundquist,
Speaker 1: had a story. So this is really about being an
Speaker 1: expert witness and people knowing or should know better, and
Speaker 1: they can still make mistakes. So just talking about myself personally,
Speaker 1: air Force pilot over three thousand hours and jets flying
Speaker 1: all over the world, amateur astronomer, and you know, in
Speaker 1: the Air Force you even get courses on you know,
Speaker 1: aviation weather and all those sort of things. So with
Speaker 1: that sort of a background, you know, you'd think I'd
Speaker 1: know better. But one time we were in the Middle
Speaker 1: East and we were flying along mission and it was
Speaker 1: you know, the typical old dark thirty and we're flying
Speaker 1: towards Saudi Arabia and we see an aircraft in front
Speaker 1: of us, and you know, it's hard to tell exactly
Speaker 1: what kind of aircraft it is. You know, if it's
Speaker 1: by its brightness and it's really far away, it's probably
Speaker 1: a big one. But if it's closer, it's probably a
Speaker 1: small one. And we didn't think much of it until
Speaker 1: we noticed that it was climbing and after a while
Speaker 1: it climbed pretty high, and since we couldn't paint it
Speaker 1: on ray are, we figured it was far away, so
Speaker 1: it must have been a large aircraft and far away.
Speaker 1: We're looking at the altitude that it's getting to and
Speaker 1: we're figuring to ourselves, no US aircraft can reach these altitudes.
Speaker 1: It just can't. Trigonometry actually came into the whole equation,
Speaker 1: you know. We put its existent to see what the
Speaker 1: angle was, and we're like, wow, this thing is like
Speaker 1: up there like a hundred and twenty thousand feet. Nothing
Speaker 1: can do that. And of course as we're flying along,
Speaker 1: we're like, going, jee's a wax is awfully quiet tonight too? Yeah, one,
Speaker 1: what's up? Why is that? What's going on? Now? If
Speaker 1: I've gone back and reported to people we saw this airplane,
Speaker 1: it was doing things no aircraft we know of can do,
Speaker 1: you know, And then we said it was a UFO.
Speaker 1: You'd probably believe me because you know, I'm an Air
Speaker 1: Force pilot, I fly, I no astronomy, I'm an engineer,
Speaker 1: I have top secret clearance all that stuff. You believe me, right.
Speaker 1: We thought about it a little bit more and we
Speaker 1: came to realize it actually was Venus. But because we've
Speaker 1: been looking for traffic. You know, when you're flying, you're
Speaker 1: always looking for what you might run into. Open the sky,
Speaker 1: we fixated on it's an aircraft. This bright light in
Speaker 1: the sky is another airplane. We don't want to hit it.
Speaker 1: And even though it was starting to do things no
Speaker 1: other aircraft can do, in our minds, still stayed as
Speaker 1: an aircraft as opposed to Venus. Classic mistake of Venus
Speaker 1: as an aircraft. And it's like I should have known better,
Speaker 1: and I still made that mistake. There's another explanation that
Speaker 1: I find still more convincing, brought to us by Jim McDonald.
Speaker 1: I write science fiction novels. I'm a magician, I'm an E. M. T.
Speaker 1: And I live here in the north country of Namshure.
Speaker 1: Jim's explanation relies on some of the same principles as
Speaker 1: the Jupiter explanation, but comes to a different conclusion about
Speaker 1: the source of the light. One day on the September,
Speaker 1: to make it exactly the right date, my wife and
Speaker 1: my daughter and I all drove down Route three, following
Speaker 1: Betty and Barney's route, with a copy of Interrupted Journey,
Speaker 1: which my wife was reading aloud while I took time
Speaker 1: kicks and mileage measurements and discovered some interesting things. Remember,
Speaker 1: The Interrupted Journey is the book written by John Fuller
Speaker 1: that first told the story of the Hill's journey and
Speaker 1: their sessions with Dr Benjamin Simon. Just south of Lancaster,
Speaker 1: when you cross up on the shoulder of Mount Prospect
Speaker 1: Corrigan Hill, that's the first spot that Betty and Barney
Speaker 1: saw their UFO. They're flying saucer. And when you cross
Speaker 1: the crest of Mount Prospect, same exact spot, that's the
Speaker 1: first place that you can see the warning light on
Speaker 1: the top of Camon Mountain. Immediately after seeing the UFO,
Speaker 1: it began to move rapidly straight up. It was like
Speaker 1: a shooting star, only it fell up, I think is
Speaker 1: the quote. Immediately after you cross the shoulder of Mountain Prospect,
Speaker 1: US three goes down a nine grade for the next
Speaker 1: half mile, pointed directly at Cannon Mountain, and that aircraft
Speaker 1: warning light apparently moves straight up. Well, that flying saucer,
Speaker 1: Betting and Barney's disappeared on one side of the road,
Speaker 1: reappeared on the other. It was sometimes high, sometimes low,
Speaker 1: just like that aircraft warning light. They're flying saucer got larger,
Speaker 1: brighter and closer the farther south they went, and so
Speaker 1: does the aircraft warning line gets larger, brighter and closer.
Speaker 1: I said to myself, my golly, I think I'm seeing
Speaker 1: their UFO right now. Actually I had already said that
Speaker 1: because I've made the connection. I've made the connection years before,
Speaker 1: but now I was testing out for sure. And we
Speaker 1: get to the sighting that really clinches everything. Bet and
Speaker 1: Barney are the foot of Cannon Mountain. They're looking up
Speaker 1: the top of Cannon Mountain and they're seeing the lights
Speaker 1: at the tramway station. There is a aerial tramway, the
Speaker 1: first one in America started, goes up the side of
Speaker 1: the mountain. At the upper tramway house, there is a
Speaker 1: snack bar and there's lights you can see from the road.
Speaker 1: Betty and Barney reported seeing those lights of the snack bar,
Speaker 1: and they reported seeing the their UFO. They're flying saucer
Speaker 1: at the same time. As you stand at the foot
Speaker 1: of Cannon Mountain on the side of the Root three,
Speaker 1: looking up at the top of the mountain, you see
Speaker 1: the lights at the top of the tramway and you
Speaker 1: see the aircraft warning light so Betty and Barney they're
Speaker 1: looking at the aircraft warning light, their point at the
Speaker 1: aircraft warning light, and they're saying, that's it. That's the
Speaker 1: flying saucer. I mean case closed right there. Strange arrivals
Speaker 1: will return in a moment. This illusion of the lights
Speaker 1: on top of Cannon Mountain moving when in fact it
Speaker 1: is the car that is moving, is made further convincing
Speaker 1: by an effect called motion parallax Mark Ken from the
Speaker 1: University of New Hampshire. Other things that night include seeing
Speaker 1: the light which other people have said that is simply
Speaker 1: a the beacon from a ski resort, and the fact
Speaker 1: that it seemed to follow them is absolutely perfectly in
Speaker 1: line with a depth cue called motion parallax, where you
Speaker 1: see things closer they are, the faster they moved, the
Speaker 1: further away they are, the slower they move. This was
Speaker 1: at a distance away, so it appeared to kind of
Speaker 1: follow their car, but it was at not the distance
Speaker 1: away that the stars were, so it was moving differently
Speaker 1: from the stars, so it could look really weird if
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're looking at. Route three runs
Speaker 1: about two and eighty miles from the Canadian border in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire, south to Boston. The main events of the
Speaker 1: hill siding took place over a distance of about a
Speaker 1: dozen miles from the Mount Cleveland Scenic Area to somewhere
Speaker 1: around the Indian Head Resort. This stretch takes you from
Speaker 1: just north of Franconia Notch through the notch itself, with
Speaker 1: mountains on either side, including Cannon Mountain and The Old
Speaker 1: Man in the Mountain on the right, and Mount Lafayette
Speaker 1: on the left. After about seven miles in the notch,
Speaker 1: Route three exits into the lower hills, including the area
Speaker 1: around Indian Head. On a November afternoon, I drove this
Speaker 1: route that Betty and Barney took. It struck me that
Speaker 1: so much has changed since. Once you enter Franconia Notch,
Speaker 1: it's hard to feel like you are really recreate aiding
Speaker 1: their journey with any sort of precision. The path Route
Speaker 1: three takes follows the same course north of the notch
Speaker 1: at the Mount Cleveland picnic area and south of the
Speaker 1: Notch around Indian Head, but the section that goes through
Speaker 1: the notch itself has been merged with the newer Root
Speaker 1: ninety three and takes a slightly different course. The Old
Speaker 1: Man in the Mountain has also changed. It was a
Speaker 1: naturally formed rock outcropping that, when viewed at the right angle,
Speaker 1: as it was by thousands and thousands of tourists every year,
Speaker 1: looked like the craggy profile of an old man. It's
Speaker 1: gone now collapsing on May third, two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: but it was there in and the Hills reportedly used
Speaker 1: that profile to estimate the size of the UFO. So
Speaker 1: they entered Franconian Notch, driving south, with Cannon Mountain on
Speaker 1: their right. Most skeptics agree that at this point, even
Speaker 1: if she had previously been seeing Jupiter, Betty is looking
Speaker 1: at the lights on the summit of Cannon Mountain. Barney
Speaker 1: is driving. Once they are in the notch, they stop
Speaker 1: at some point near the Old Man in the mountain.
Speaker 1: They get out of the car to look at the UFO.
Speaker 1: It is now close enough to be recognizable as a
Speaker 1: craft of some sort, not just a light. They stopped
Speaker 1: again at the base of the Old Man of the mountain.
Speaker 1: They got out and they looked up at this thing
Speaker 1: again through binoculars. As they're watching it, it appeared to
Speaker 1: be lighted on only one side, and it appeared to
Speaker 1: be rotating. It's here that the story becomes more incredible.
Speaker 1: A planet or a summit light are no longer adequate explanations.
Speaker 1: My name is Travis Roy. I run Grand State Skeptics.
Speaker 1: I spent about a year researching the Betting and Barney
Speaker 1: Hill abduction and going to the archives at U n
Speaker 1: H to look through all the original documentation, and in
Speaker 1: my day job, i am a I T guy. Travis
Speaker 1: realized that the moment at which the Hills UFO became
Speaker 1: more than a light is the same time that they
Speaker 1: were near the Cannon Mountain Tramway. The Old Man in
Speaker 1: the Mountain Historic site is right where Cannon Mountain Aerial
Speaker 1: Tramway is. Then you have Cannon Mountain to the southwest
Speaker 1: of that, and then it's about six and a half
Speaker 1: miles to get to Indian Head Resort. So if you're
Speaker 1: talking three miles up from Indian Head, you can see
Speaker 1: the top of Cannon Mountain. It's not until you get
Speaker 1: within like a mile or two of Indian Head that
Speaker 1: you can't see it. So if they saw something at
Speaker 1: the Old Man of the Mountain site, and then on
Speaker 1: the way towards Indian Head, they pulled over and looked
Speaker 1: through binoculars and saw something. It seems totally plausible to
Speaker 1: me that they would have saw the Cannon Mountain Tramway
Speaker 1: and then they the next thing they saw driving down
Speaker 1: the road would have been Indian Head Resort, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's how I would explain it too, if it happened
Speaker 1: to me and the Hills description of the UFO seems
Speaker 1: similar to the appearance of the tram car that was
Speaker 1: used in the early nineteen sixties. If you look at
Speaker 1: the picture of the craft, it looks kind of like
Speaker 1: the old tramway, not the current one, but the one
Speaker 1: that existed at the time. It's much more boxy than
Speaker 1: your typical UFO that you think of as a flying saucer,
Speaker 1: and it had things protruding from the sides. But I
Speaker 1: mean that could be the way the lights are, or
Speaker 1: it could have been reflections on something. It could have
Speaker 1: been anything, but the actual craft piece of it, where
Speaker 1: it has the body of the craft and the windows
Speaker 1: and the figures inside, looks very similar to what the
Speaker 1: Cannon Tramway looked like at the time. The Cannon Mountain
Speaker 1: Tramway was built in It was the first aerial passenger
Speaker 1: tramway in North America. The base station for the tramway
Speaker 1: is just a few hundred yards from the Old Man
Speaker 1: in the Mountain parking lot. There's now a gift store
Speaker 1: where the viewing area once was. One skeptical theory is
Speaker 1: that Betty and Barney expected to see a UFO, saw
Speaker 1: the tram car and were confused. On the face of it,
Speaker 1: it's not such a far fetched idea. One of the
Speaker 1: hard things about trying to recreate what happened during that
Speaker 1: brief time is that it is not clear where they
Speaker 1: stopped after the Mount Cleveland Scenic Area. They could have
Speaker 1: pulled over at any point around the Old Man in
Speaker 1: the mountain. If they were north of the tramway, It's
Speaker 1: entirely possible that the tram car passed in front of
Speaker 1: their view of the Old Man. There aren't many visual
Speaker 1: cues there to determine distance. In the darkness, especially when
Speaker 1: looking through binoculars, the tram car would have seemed bigger
Speaker 1: compared to the Old Man because it would have been
Speaker 1: much closer to where Betty and Barney had stopped. The
Speaker 1: problem is that there's no evidence that the tram was
Speaker 1: running at that late hour. It was well after the
Speaker 1: last scheduled tourist run. The restaurant at the top of
Speaker 1: Cannon Mountain was closing around that time, so maybe it
Speaker 1: was being used to bring down staff or something like that,
Speaker 1: but there's no record of it from the old man
Speaker 1: in the mountain. They continued south for a few miles,
Speaker 1: briefly stopping at times, and eventually encountering the craft in
Speaker 1: the field near Indian Head. This is where Barney saw
Speaker 1: the figures in the craft looking back at him. He
Speaker 1: took his binoculars, helped him up to his eyes and
Speaker 1: looked up at this object. He could see a lighted
Speaker 1: row of windows that seemed to be around the front
Speaker 1: part of this craft. Gazing back at him were between
Speaker 1: eight and eleven figures inside the craft. The skeptical explanation
Speaker 1: begins with Betty and Barney's fatigue and stress. They've been
Speaker 1: on the road for hours. Betty in particular, thinks they
Speaker 1: are being followed by a UFO. Her nervousness is affecting
Speaker 1: Barney because they are not thinking clearly, they misconstrue whatever
Speaker 1: they see near Indian Head. With this in mind, Travis
Speaker 1: Roy speculates about what they might have seen. I've done
Speaker 1: that drive and you can't see Cannon Mountain from the
Speaker 1: Indian Head Resort. You can see it from a small
Speaker 1: drive north. The distance isn't that much, And that goes
Speaker 1: back to what I said about how it's really hard
Speaker 1: to tell exactly where you are. The other thing, too,
Speaker 1: is is that and they're retelling of it. They pulled
Speaker 1: over at one point at Indian Head and Barney went
Speaker 1: across the street and looked at the craft through binoculars. Now,
Speaker 1: if they were doing that, I mean Indian Head Resort
Speaker 1: was there during that time, there would have been other
Speaker 1: people around there. I mean, even in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, there's still like the hotel staff and stuff,
Speaker 1: and there would have been lights on and everything else.
Speaker 1: So I really don't think that that's where they stopped
Speaker 1: to look at the craft, because if they saw that,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have gone into the hotel for help or like,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing this crazy thing. I think that it happened
Speaker 1: north of Indian Head before they got there, and they
Speaker 1: just say at it's Indian Head because that was the
Speaker 1: next landmark that they hit. There is a problem with
Speaker 1: this explanation. Betty actually describes passing the Indian Head Resort
Speaker 1: before they have the encounter in the field because they
Speaker 1: are traveling from north to south. If you are sure
Speaker 1: that Betty is right about the sequence of events, this
Speaker 1: doesn't fit Travis's timeline. Jim McDonald has an alternate explanation
Speaker 1: for this part of the story, which is consistent with
Speaker 1: Betty's sequence of events. He believes that the encounter in
Speaker 1: the field happened in Woodstock, about eight miles south of
Speaker 1: the Indian Head Resort. They continue on south and here
Speaker 1: comes the really horrible part of this. They get down
Speaker 1: to Woodstock where you find the jack O lanterns, which
Speaker 1: back in the early sixties had a large inflatable, glowing
Speaker 1: red or orange spherical jack lantern up on the roof
Speaker 1: of the motel, and this got inflated in their minds
Speaker 1: with the glowing red orange moon with the white aircraft
Speaker 1: warning light on the top of Cannon Mountain, and it
Speaker 1: is my belief that this is the point where they
Speaker 1: leaped out of their cars were running around the field,
Speaker 1: and that later under hypnotic regression, became the abduction site.
Speaker 1: Later on, months later, when they were trying to find
Speaker 1: the place where they were abducted, they didn't find it,
Speaker 1: and they decided it must have been near Indian Heads somewhere,
Speaker 1: because it had to have been south of Franconian Notch.
Speaker 1: But it's notoriously difficult to find again during daylight someplace
Speaker 1: that you've only seen at night and memory is weird.
Speaker 1: Could this be the place? Yes, this was the place.
Speaker 1: It is the place, and it became fixed. Robert Shaffer
Speaker 1: doesn't even point to any particular physical object for him,
Speaker 1: their exhaustion and excitement are explanation enough. Once they finally
Speaker 1: reached the state where they were both very excited and
Speaker 1: frightened when they got to this area called the Indian Head,
Speaker 1: which is like a profile on them, a mountain like
Speaker 1: the Old Man of the Mountain used to be. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what they were seeing at certain times there,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they neither one of them was any longer
Speaker 1: in a rational state of mind at that point. Fatigue
Speaker 1: and fear do a lot of heavy lifting in these explanations.
Speaker 1: Without these two factors, they aren't very convincing. If you
Speaker 1: are predisposed to think that the Hills were abducted, you
Speaker 1: probably don't buy them. But it's important to keep in
Speaker 1: mind that even if you don't accept any of these explanations.
Speaker 1: The default is not an alien spaceship. In fact, the
Speaker 1: burden of proof is with the proponents of the Hills story.
Speaker 1: Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What we
Speaker 1: have is a great story, but little in the way
Speaker 1: of convincing proof that had happened. This applies to the
Speaker 1: physical evidence that Betty and Barney had at the end
Speaker 1: of their trip. Remember how Kathleen Martin described Betty's torn
Speaker 1: dress and Barney's scuff shoes. According to the abduction story,
Speaker 1: these happened when the Hills were being brought through the
Speaker 1: woods to the spacecraft. Is there another explanation? So what
Speaker 1: else do we have. We've got Betty's dress, which was torn.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how she tore her dress. There's
Speaker 1: lots of ways to tear a dress, particularly leaping in
Speaker 1: and out of a car in Fields and New Hampshire
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. The dress developed a
Speaker 1: white powder on it some years later, which exactly resembles mold,
Speaker 1: and barney shoes were scuffed, easy enough to do with
Speaker 1: a stick shift car, gas pedal, brake, pedal and clutch,
Speaker 1: and while leaping in and out of a car in
Speaker 1: open Fields, New Hampshire, in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Jim McDonald did not mention the broken binocular strap, but
Speaker 1: presumably the same explanation would apply. The strap gets snagged
Speaker 1: on the door, perhaps as Barney jumps out of the car,
Speaker 1: which leaves the most compelling and most frustrating piece of
Speaker 1: physical evidence, the shiny spots on the trunk of their car.
Speaker 1: Remember Betty took a compass out to the car and
Speaker 1: when she placed it on the round shiny spots, the
Speaker 1: needle spun. There does not appear to have been any
Speaker 1: further investigation. This is Betty and Barney on the David
Speaker 1: Schumberg Show. We discussed the spots with Ball to Live
Speaker 1: and with Mr Harman and Mr Jackson, But we have
Speaker 1: spent ours discussing this, and then it was just over
Speaker 1: on the at leaving when I left us. We just
Speaker 1: took out to show them to exam into Mr Webb,
Speaker 1: maybe John who was Yes, I did, and Walder Webb
Speaker 1: simply throws up his hand and discussed his own failure
Speaker 1: as an investigator. I am convinced in my own own
Speaker 1: line and nothing was hidden and it was simply a
Speaker 1: very serious oversight. And he agrees that it was Ed
Speaker 1: Dalson of World Journal Tribune O those spots still there,
Speaker 1: and if not were what happened to them? The spots
Speaker 1: gradually wore away over the winter months, and we don't
Speaker 1: have the can they have. Dr Benjamin Simon, who conducted
Speaker 1: the hypnosis sessions with the Hell's was confounded by this
Speaker 1: failure to examine the spots. Can't be one of the
Speaker 1: greatest mistakes I have ever seen. That is that the
Speaker 1: vir was assignedists and there was the story of the
Speaker 1: silver spots outside of Silvergonald in the back of their car,
Speaker 1: which they said at the time, Uh, we're still on
Speaker 1: the car, and God don't what reasons he never went
Speaker 1: out to look at It was an opportoint you to
Speaker 1: see one single objective thing, you know, we've never had
Speaker 1: a single objective thing. In the end, what might have
Speaker 1: been the most intriguing piece of evidence to emerge from
Speaker 1: this whole encounter was left unexamined. It seems incredible that
Speaker 1: this trunk, which could have been the critical proof of
Speaker 1: an alien encounter, was ignored and left to the elements.
Speaker 1: But that's what happened. So what we are left with
Speaker 1: our questions about time to begin with both Betty's and
Speaker 1: Barney's watches stopped working that night and never worked again.
Speaker 1: More importantly, none of what we've heard accounts for their
Speaker 1: arriving home two hours later than they had expected. What
Speaker 1: about the missing time next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange
Speaker 1: Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and Grim
Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Mankey. This episode was written and
Speaker 1: hosted by Toby Bowl and produced by Miranda Hawkins and
Speaker 1: Josh Thane, with executive producers Alex Williams, Matt Frederick and
Speaker 1: Aaron Manky. Betty Hill was portrayed by Gina Rickike. Barney
Speaker 1: Hill was portrayed by Jason Williams. Special thanks to the
Speaker 1: Miln Special Collections and Archives at the University of New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: John Horrigan, w y Am in Norwich, Connecticut, John White,
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