1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Poh boy pulls in every walk of life. So you 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: have a man with a five dollars suit roban elbows 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: when a guy who can barely afford the sandwich eating 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: the same thing. Uh, you know you go to fancy restaurants. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: You only got people that can afford that. You go 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: to uh not real expensive restaurants. And in the neighborhoods, 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: the rich folks ain't going there. You know, only poor 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: folks go there. Poor boy poe boys bring everybody together. Hello, 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: and welcome to savor. I'm any Rees and I'm Lauren 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: folc Obaum, and today we're talking about the sandwiches of 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: New Orleans, mostly the po boy and the MUFFLETTA. Yes, 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: we unfortunately did not have the stomach space our time 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: on this trip to get to the muffalletta. But I 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: tried one from Central Delhi, which is the purported creator 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: of the muffalletta the first time I was in New Orleans, 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: and it was delicious. We had our fair share, perhaps 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: more than our fair share of po boys though. Um. 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: We got twitt to the twelfth annual Oak Street po 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: Boy Fest, and y'all it was a lot um. It 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: was half a mile of residential and commercial streets devoted 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: to a sandwich. So many people, there, so many good dogs, there, 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: so many Poe Boys, so little time. We were there 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: to talk to Justin Kennedy, which is the voice you 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: heard at the top. He is the general manager and 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: head chef at Parkway Bakery and Tavern. They are a 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: big name in Poe Boys, and Parkway has been in 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: operation since nineteen eleven, so they've been around a minute. Um, 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: it was where I went from my po Boy fixed 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: my first time in New Orleans. So did the Obamas 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: when they visited. There is a picture of them on 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: the wall with Justin Um. And that's the power of food, 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: you guys. We all got to eat and appreciate a 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: good meal at this festival. Um. Justin was working Parkway's 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: line at po Boy Fest and it was probably our 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: most chaotic interview ever. Yeah. I didn't realize that he 36 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: was going to be working the line there. And like 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: their line of customers was what thirty people deep fifty 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: it was a lot. Yeah. Anyway, after Gumbo, the New 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: Orleans food that our interviewees brought up the most was 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: probably Poe Boys. For example, here's New Orleans transplant Christopher Horner, 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: who's the general manager at the Bomb Bay Club, which 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: is a cocktail bar in the heart of the French Quarter. 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: There are a number of dishes that I fell in 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: love with when I first moved, and I still to 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: this day. I love poe boys. I think the poe 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: boys the food we had the most while we were there. 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: On our trip. I had at least three, maybe more, 48 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: depending on what constitutes a whole po boy versus a 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: half poe boy, because during our interview with Dicky Brennan 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: he provided poe boys, and I had a totally normal 51 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: amount of those. They were what I would have called halves, 52 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: as in, you know, like like four to six inches 53 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: rather than like eight to twelve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: think so. And it is one of those things, one 55 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: of those foods that you can find on menus, at 56 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: white tablecloth restaurants and in gas stations. It's a pretty 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: equal opportunity. You can find it all over. But all 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: of this brings us to our question, or our first question, sandwich. 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: What is it? That's that's that's a lot, yeah, too controversial, 60 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: different different episode, all rights. Poh boy, what is it? Well? 61 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Po boys short for poor boys, are Okay, this is 62 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: another tricky one. Um. Po boys can be a lot 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: of things, but at its root it is a sandwich 64 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: made on oblong loaves of like chewy, fluffy bread with 65 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: a flaky, crisp crust that is inspired by French bagat 66 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: The protein can be just about anything you want um, 67 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: but common ones are fried or grilled shrimp or catfish, 68 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: fried oysters or soft shell crab, hot sausage, and or 69 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: tender shredded roast, beef or pork. Toppings may include cheese 70 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: or gravy, and whatever the protein and the toppings, they're 71 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: frequently dressed with shredded lettuce and sliced tomato, along with 72 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: other stuff like a mayo straight or flavored mustard and 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: sliced onion in pickles. They can get a little bit 74 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: contentious in there whether or not they belong, but sounds 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: about right. According to Justin, the thing that makes a 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: po boy a poe boy is the bread, a flaky, 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: crusty outside and a fluffy, hollowed out inside. He also 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: claims that the bread it changes when you take it 79 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: out of the state, not for the better. He's aware 80 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: this sounds made of he knows, but when asked the 81 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: follow up question, does that mean you can't have a 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: real poe boy outside of Louisiana. He's cooked to say, 83 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: not to disparage what out of Stairs are doing, but yeah, 84 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: I think so. Uh. Josh dom Elsi's the four generation 85 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: chef over at Domosis po Boys calls the humidity in 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: New Orleans or in Louisiana in general, the secret weapon. 87 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: A lot of the city of New Orleans actually rests 88 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: below sea level, So so the higher air pressure and 89 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: the humidity that comes with that, and with being on 90 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: the water and the warm climate, all of that changes things. 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: The yeast that you use to make this type of 92 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: bread rise. He's just a living thing. It's going to 93 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: behave differently in different environments, and in New Orleans it 94 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: gives your bread an airiness but also a chew. It's 95 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: good for bread use for Poe Boys, but not good 96 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: for other things like macarons and chocolate. In the words 97 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: of Ashley McMillan, executive pastry chef at Sukra in New Orleans, 98 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: as far as us for a company, the only challenge 99 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: we have is humidity. It destroys everything. I can relate 100 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: my first four at Macarons was a disaster, a tasty, 101 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: tasty disaster, and I blame the humidity, as is my right. Anyway, 102 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: that's a future episode, oh for sure, future episode. But yeah, 103 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: so so it could be that humidity. Justin also reported 104 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: to the BBC once that it could have to do 105 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: with the technique. Apparently po boy bread is made by 106 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: resting for twelve hours, punching it down, and then resting 107 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: it for another twelve hours, which is you know, I mean, 108 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: bread is essentially yeast, water, flower salt. But that resting 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: could have a lot to do with it. It could. Indeed, 110 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: in either case, the bread is the key. I read 111 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: in more than one place. Traditional ingredients between two slices 112 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: of white bread is not a poe boy. Non traditional 113 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: ingredients between the New Orleans baggett that we're talking about 114 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: here does count as a poe boy. Here's some examples 115 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 1: of non po boys, hogs, heroes, grinders, Zeppelin's SUPs, sub 116 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: or a submarine sandwich not a poe boy, not a 117 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: po boy. Those are different things, and you might cause 118 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: a sandwich related brawl if you call it po boy 119 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: in one of those things. Poe boys are, however, kind 120 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: of like a bond me. Oh yeah, and bon me 121 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: is definitely a whole episode unto itself. But basically this 122 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: is a type of Vietnamese sandwich, also served on an 123 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: oblong loaf of bread inspired by French by get, though 124 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: in my experience they're a little bit more like crusty 125 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: crisp than po boys anyway. Yeah, both sandwiches evolved out 126 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: of the French custom of serving back at with platters 127 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: of butter, cheese and cold meats um the French occupied 128 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: Vietnam for over a century. The Vietnamese take involves proteins 129 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: like pork, liver, patte or other pork products, or grilled 130 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: chicken or tofu, and they're often dressed with cilantro, shreaded 131 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: pickled carrots and radishes, sliced cucumber, maybe some mayo and 132 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: chili sauce. They started developing in Saigon as the French 133 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: rule was fought off in the nineteen fifties. You can 134 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: see evidence of South Asian influence all around the city. 135 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: After the and of the Vietnam War in the nineteen seventies, 136 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: many Vietnamese immigrants who fled to America settled in New Orleans. 137 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: For a couple of reasons. Both Vietnam and New Orleans 138 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: have been shaped by France, so they shared that similarity. 139 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: The climates were similar, and therefore so were the crops 140 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: that could be grown. Like rice numbers. Wise, po boy 141 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: numbers are a little hard to come by, but Justin 142 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: estimated that throughout the day at the aforementioned poe Boy fest, 143 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: around forty people would come through and that vendors could 144 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: expect to make two thousand sandwiches like each and there 145 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: were thirty two vendors. They're selling different types of poe boys, 146 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: So like he was estimating that they were around sixty 147 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: four thousand poe boys floating around that day. That's a 148 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: lot of poe boys, more than two. It was crowded. 149 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I had to duck into a comic book 150 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: shop to take a breath. She did, indeed. Oh and 151 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: one more number for you. The againest world record for 152 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: longest po boy was awarded on National Sandwich Day, that's 153 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: November three. The sandwich in question was three and fifty 154 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: two ft and eleven inches long, which is a little 155 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: bit over a hundred and seven ms. Impressive, But where 156 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: did this iconic sandwich get its start? We'll get into 157 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: that after a quick break forward from our sponsor and 158 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. So what 159 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: about po Boy history, specifically the history behind that name. 160 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: We asked Justin about that at poy Fest. Poor Boy 161 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: derived at a hard times nine the hi did a 162 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: great depression. Uh. You know, the main mode of transportation 163 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: around the city of New Lawrence was the street car. Uh. 164 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: And the street car workers weren't getting paid like many 165 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: other people in the states. So they strike. Okay, Well, 166 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: two former street car conductors who had made their way 167 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: up and retired before the hard times hit been in 168 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: Clovis Martin. They opened a grocery store on North Peter 169 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: Street called Martin Brothers Coffee Stand. They were furious that 170 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: the guys weren't getting paid, so they had the means 171 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: of getting money and clothing and food. And they said, look, guys, 172 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: you come to marm Brothers Coffee Stand on North Peter Street, 173 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: show your badge will feed. You will feed our poor boys. 174 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: Hence the name po Boy and started. The first poor 175 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: Boy sandwich was fried potatoes that hack it up, put 176 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: a little rost, beef, gravy and mayo on. We still 177 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: that have that today. But now it's derived into the 178 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: stuff like this bond Me's James Brown's. My buddies over 179 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: here at Red Fish Grill are doing a hot sausage 180 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: and catfish poe boys where they say it's it's it's 181 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: like it's culture you can eat. I want to put 182 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: in here that a place called Nola Boils and Catering. 183 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: One most unique at pot Boy Fast for it's s 184 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: cargo po boy Um with garlic butter, sauce, baby arugula 185 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: and shaved parmesan and also um Parkways aforementioned James Brown 186 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Poboy one best of fest it was barbecue beef and 187 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: fried shrimp with a tabasco and crystal infused a oli 188 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: and uh they use a kitchen torch to melt on 189 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: a slice of pepper jack cheese to each sandwich by 190 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: hand and then dressed in with a lettuce, tomatoes and pickles. 191 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: Of course you also got a parkway hat. Oh I did, oh, 192 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: I wonder where that is we lost to the sands 193 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: of New Orleans. Oh no, it's probably in my weird 194 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: work it bag from New York. It was probably busy 195 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: trip anyway. It was just like almost everything we talked 196 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: about this sandwich was most likely being made before this 197 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: street car strike, probably even by the Martin brothers, but 198 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: this is when the name got coined and popularized. In 199 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: jazz legend Sydney Bushet's autobiography, he writes about a time 200 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: he and Louis Armstrong took their earnings from a show 201 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: and brought beer and quote, those sandwiches, poor boys, they're 202 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: called a half a loaf of bread, split open and 203 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: stuffed with ham. This event presumably took place in the 204 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: nineteen tents, before the Martin Brothers invented po boys. However, 205 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: there was also a chance that when writing this and 206 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: having knowledge of the term po boy, used it when 207 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,359 Speaker 1: it didn't actually exist at the time he was describing. 208 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: In either case, it was a clever marketing move on 209 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: part of the Martin brothers. I would say they got 210 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: the name in the paper by journalist writing about them 211 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: giving away free sandwiches to striking street car workers, which 212 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: got them all this free positive publicity, endeared them to 213 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: the community and increased their customer base. The Martin brothers 214 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: were earnest though they were former street car conductors themselves, 215 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: and they wrote a letter to the union and it 216 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: is just so lovely and it's solidarity like it made 217 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: me for clumped. Okay, in part it read friends, we 218 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: are with you, heart and soul at any time you 219 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: were around the French market. Don't forget to drop in 220 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: at Martin's Coffee standing restaurant. Our meal is free to 221 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: any members of Division. We are with you till hell phrases, 222 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: and when it does, we will furnish blankets to keep 223 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: you warm with best wishes for your cause. We are 224 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: friends and former members of Division. Oh that is lovely, 225 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: I know, although we should say the first written mention 226 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: of the poh boy we know of, not written after 227 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: the case, was a part of a not so positive story. 228 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: Right four months after the street car strike, in the 229 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: press New Orleans was reporting on a high profile murder case. 230 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: A man on a steamship had fallen off the side 231 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: and what was at first thought to be a suicide. However, 232 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: when his body was recovered, authorities discovered he had been shot. 233 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: His female traveling companion divulged to the investigators that she 234 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: had become engaged to the second officer on the ship. 235 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: He became the prime suspect and was later charged with 236 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: murder from the publication the New Orleans stay quote. Presently, 237 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: the tree shaded courthouse lawn was dotted with groups gnawing 238 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: at the huge sandwiches New Orleans nose as the Poe 239 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: Boy sandwich, whole loaves of French bread, split lengthwise and 240 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: filled with a freight of ham, sausage or cheese, and 241 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: drinking from bottles of pop Oh and just by the way, 242 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: Both the second officer accused with the murder and the 243 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: female travel companion were exonerated. Yeah, going back to the bread, 244 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: why use baguettes? Well? Prior to the strike, the Martin 245 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: Brothers and others um used oval shaped loaves of bread 246 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: for their sandwiches. Depending on where you cut from, you 247 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: got different sized pieces of bread and therefore different sized sandwiches. 248 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: To make sure everyone got the same sized sandwich, the 249 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Martin brothers worked with a baker by the name of 250 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: John Jen Dousa to make a uniform, rectangular shaped bread. 251 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: He came up with a thirty two inch loaf that 252 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: could be haved or quartered into equal pieces. To this day, 253 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: three of the earliest bakeries to do this still provide 254 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: the bread supply to most of the boy shops around 255 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: New Orleans. Um that's Lindenheimer, Binder and Doosa. Martin Brothers 256 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: wasn't the only name in the poe boy game. Soon after, 257 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: Parkway started offering poe boys in nineteen nine and offered 258 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: French fry poe boys to union workers for free. They 259 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: also sold them to the then newly opened American Can Company, which, 260 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, was right near Parkway. It was 261 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: open seven so for a time Parkway was to add 262 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: from the New Orleans item read French Market coffee and 263 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: lunchstand a Battistella proprietor originator of the poor Boys sandwich. 264 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: Po Boys would keep many families fed during the Great Depression, 265 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: with restaurants offering these large sandwiches for affordable prices. A 266 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: twenty pub boy cost fifteen cents in the nineteen thirties. 267 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: That's about two to three bucks in today's money. Of course, 268 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: those prices have not held in the modern trendiness of 269 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: food tourism and increasing ingredient prices due to a home 270 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: of factors, including but not limited to, global warming and 271 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: the Gulf oil spill. Sorry, didn't mean to slap you 272 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: all with an unexpected Lawrence Killjoy corner. There Um, the 273 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: serious and real problems of food and water, accessibility, and 274 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: education are topics for a different episode for our purposes 275 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: right now. Though, Um, yes, the price of pub boys 276 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: is going up. The folks over at NOLA dot com 277 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: actually created a database using an amazing sounding collection from 278 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: the Two Lane Library, the Louisiana Menu and Restaurant Collection. 279 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, they crunched the numbers, and having adjusted for inflation, 280 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: the average price of po boys doubled from from a 281 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: little less than five bucks to a little less than 282 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: ten bucks. And that's just for the three classic types 283 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: of po boy oyster, shrimp, and roast beef. Like Justin 284 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, and like we've talked about in these 285 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: New Orleans episodes, there is room for so much creativity. 286 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: You've got your classic versions which are never going to 287 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: go away, and then a pub boy upon me. Po 288 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: boy Fest was conceived as a celebration of all of that. 289 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: It started up in two thousand and seven, just a 290 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: couple of years after Katrina, as the New Orleans Po 291 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: Boy Preservation Festival. Pretty Much every vendor at po boy 292 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: Fest offered something different. Po Boy Cajun servant, if smothered 293 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: rabbit Po Boy, crab me boudin balls, Po Boy as 294 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: Cargo Po Boy, smoked pork belly, and mac Po Boy. 295 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: Restaurants around town are experimenting to take the Vietnamese fun Boy, 296 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: which has all the ingredients of fun minus the noodles, 297 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: and it comes with fub broth for dipping available. There 298 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: are also some specific types of pub boys that have 299 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: their own followings at like the peacemaker and if you've 300 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: never heard of it, it's a pub boy with both 301 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: shrimp and oysters. And interestingly, it's history starts before the 302 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: po boys. Does time traveling poh boy if you will. No, 303 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: not really, but that would be cool. So on the 304 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: eight hundreds in San Francisco and New Orleans, you could 305 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: find a sandwich called an oyster loaf fried oysters on 306 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: French loaves sidebar. I've had one of these and they're amazing. Also, 307 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: I love fried oysters so well. Yeah, a sandwich with 308 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: both oysters and shrimp was known as a peacemaker. Now. 309 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: I thought that this name came from the fact that 310 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: shrimp and oyster lovers were making peace with their hunger 311 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: by having both, Like you can't decide have both or 312 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: maybe shrimp and oysters making peace with each other and 313 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: themselves before being devoured. However, according to Jay Harlow's The 314 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: Art of the Sandwich, the sandwich got its name in 315 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: the nineteen hundreds from husbands who had done something wrong 316 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: and brought home a peacemaker to appease their angry wives 317 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: like a preemptive apology and hope that it would prevent 318 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: an argument. I could think tactic. I could be easily 319 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: swayed by sandwiches. It's true, it depends. I'm pretty sure 320 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: I have prevented fights by bringing bond me to be pole. 321 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, now, dude. In the words of Justin Kennedy, 322 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: Poe boys are a way of life. Um. He's quoted 323 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: on the Parkway website as saying it's like going to church, 324 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: It's like walking your dog. It's the lifeblood in New Orleans. 325 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: I'm glad to be a part of it. Further proof 326 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: a sandwich can be so much more than a sandwich. 327 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: All of the history and science and culture and people 328 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: coming together to make something that we often forget. Who 329 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: does all of that? And we have a another New 330 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: Orleans sandwich icon to talk about. The muffletta and we'll 331 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: get into that after we get back from a quick 332 00:19:52,960 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 333 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, and we're back with 334 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: our second question of the episode. The muffalletta. What is it? Well, 335 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: the muffalletta is a type of cold cut sandwich, spread 336 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: thick on both sides of the bread, usually with a 337 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: sort of chopped salad of an olive and pickled veg 338 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: and served on a large round of flattish bread with 339 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: a firm, spongey texture and a soft crust coated on 340 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: the top in sesame seeds. It's often cut into quarters 341 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: for serving, and those cold cuts can be a lot 342 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: of things, but they usually include um one cured sometimes 343 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: smoked meat like a presciutto or a capacola, one horse 344 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: ground sausage like supersatta or salami, and one like superfine 345 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: ground like a mulsified sausage like a mortadella or bologna 346 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: um sometimes called bolowny here in the United States. There's 347 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: usually some cheese slices involved too, like a mozzarella and provolone, 348 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: and the olive salad is sort of like a like 349 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: a Sicilian antiposity plate went through a food processor. Um, 350 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: it's like olives and pickled cauliflower, carrots and celery, seasoned 351 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: with garlic and maybe a regano and bound with olive 352 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: oil and vinegar, maybe with some capers, pepper chini, pimientos, 353 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: roasted red peppers, or even anchovies thrown in the mix. 354 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: The sandwich is usually built and uh kind of wrapped 355 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: and allowed to hang out for at least an hour 356 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: to let that um, all of salad, the oils, and 357 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: the juices sink into the bread. So good to heat 358 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: or not to heat? That is the question, and it 359 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: seems like most people are in the consensus. Not not no, 360 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: but Napoleon House, which is this beautiful establishment in the 361 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: French Quarter going back all the way to nineteen fourteen 362 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: or longer depending on where you read, which I find 363 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: super interesting that at one time was an Italian market. 364 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: The folks behind Apollon House claimed to have debuted the 365 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: heated muffletta in the nineties seventies. The muffalletta is a 366 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: section you can click on on their website like it's 367 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: like drink menu food menu. The muffalo history when the 368 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: heated muffletta first came out one food critics set of it. Quote, 369 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: it changes the sandwich from an art to an atrocity, 370 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: so controversial. Yeah. Um. And just to set the scene 371 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: of this establishment a little bit, um, here's a clip 372 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: of us discussing it in studio with superproducer Dylan. When 373 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: we got back from our trip, we went so many 374 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: more places than I remembered. Yeah. Now, we went to 375 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: Napoleon House, which is like a shrine to Napoleon, has 376 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot of paintings of him, paintings of him with 377 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: various leaders, dramatic music, very dramatic music. We felt like 378 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: we were having a lot like war conference, wartime conference, 379 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: absolutely at our table. Also, they claim to have invented 380 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: a certain type of pens cup, so we all got 381 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: pms cups. Very very good, And I mean, I can't 382 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: recommend more that you just turn on some traumatic music 383 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: and drink mumps and have a lot of panto. I 384 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: thought it was great. Put your fist on the table, 385 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, while you're talking about like the dog log 386 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: or something. The dog Log, by the way, is the 387 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: travel journal that Dylan keeps of all of the really 388 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: good dogs that he sees. Yeah, it's great. Back to 389 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: Muff lettuce, though, what about that name. It can be 390 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: spelled with a U or an a in the center 391 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: of the word, and it can mean not only the sandwich, 392 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: but also a loaf of bread that the sandwich is 393 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: made with. It seems to derive from a Sicilian dialect 394 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: version of the Italian word muffo letta with an o 395 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: meaning little muff as in a thick, rounded mitten, or 396 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: possibly the Sicilian word for mushroom. Anyway, Um, yeah, the 397 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: sand which is nicknamed, by the way, is simply the 398 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: muff kind of like the po boy, both in importance 399 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: of the bread and the multiple spellings. The muffaledtta got 400 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: its start in nineteen oh six, a creation of Salvatore 401 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: Lupo at his store Central Grocery Co. New Orleans, as 402 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: we keep saying, is a port town, so many folks 403 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: came through there, um, and many stayed and contributed to 404 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: the culture and cuisine. After the unification of Italy in 405 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies, which Sicily supported, the new government was 406 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: not kind to Sicilians nor to some other groups, and 407 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: so from the eighteen eighties through the nineteen twenties, some 408 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: two d ninety thousand Italians mostly Sicilians, immigrated to New 409 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: Orleans out of the port of Palermo. Many moved into 410 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: an area in the lower French Quarter near the French Market, 411 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: so much so that locals dubbed it for a time 412 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: Little Palermo, or the Italian sector or Little Italy. By 413 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen, percent of the French Quarter was Italian. It 414 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: was not all smooth cultural sailing. Um. There's a lot 415 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: of xenophobia leveled against them, leading to the largest mass 416 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: lynching recorded in America's history. Eleven Italians were taken from 417 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: jail cells and killed. But nonetheless, yeah, the Sicilians settled 418 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: in and yes, they brought their foods, tinned tomatoes, olives, 419 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: types of cheese, and preserved meats and breads, among other things. 420 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: At the time, Sicilian farmers would visit Central grocery after 421 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: a trip to the French market, and they'd buy all 422 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: the makings of a muffaletta separately and tried to precariously 423 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: balance all of the components. Seeing this, Lupo got the 424 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: grand idea of combining the ingredients and putting them between 425 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: bread to make an easier, less messy lunchtime experience. Sandwiches 426 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: really are one of the ultimate convenience foods. Supposedly um 427 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: Central groceries still uses the same secret recipe for their 428 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: olive salad. While the history of the muffalletta sandwhich might 429 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: seem fairly recent, the bread has been around a lot longer. 430 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: Sicilian bakers have been making the spread four centuries, passing 431 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: their recipes down generation after generation. When Sicilian immigrants arrived 432 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: in New Orleans, bakers among them, they carried on that tradition. 433 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: Bakers would sell their loaves of bread on the streets 434 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: shouting muffalletto, Caldo, Caldo, it's hot. Yes from the times 435 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: pick a une quote as big as a hubcap, and 436 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: layered with ham, salami, provolone, cheese, and critically olive salad, 437 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: A single muffalotta sandwich can feed for grown adults. The muffalotta, 438 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: despite its Italian sounding name and ingredients, is pure New Orleans. 439 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: It can be found neither in Italy nor in the 440 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: other American cities, nor in the other American cities that, 441 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: like New Orleans, received an influx of Italian immigrants in 442 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century. The one I had while I 443 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: was there my first time was like Scooby doo level large, 444 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: the kind where you're wondering how the heck am I 445 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: going to eat this, like you're doing a calculation in 446 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: your Yeah. Yeah, when it's not had or quartered. I 447 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: mean it's big. It is enormous. Um. I managed just fun. 448 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: I always do graceful. Note fine, Yes, it does come 449 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: in quarters. And my friend and I split the sandwich, 450 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: and each of us could only finish one quarter, so 451 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: we both got two quarters. We could only eat one. Um. 452 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: We saved the other one for later. And then we 453 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: have to cross the street in cabagnets from Cafe Dumont. 454 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: Once again, I did just fine, but I was covered 455 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: in powdered sugar for the rest of the day. We 456 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: we also had a powdered sugar incident when we visited 457 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: I I did anyway like don't inhale y'all um. I 458 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: wound up coughing powdered sugar like all over. Dylan, who 459 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: as the only genteel human among us, had thus far 460 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: come through unscathed. Um. Luckily it was it was nighttime. 461 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: We were about to go to a fancy dinner. Also, 462 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: I believe and correctly if I'm wrong, but both you 463 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: and Dylan were wearing black Yeah, we were both wearing 464 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: black pants. That wasn't really that wasn't really the time 465 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: to go. I don't think. No, uh yeah, we occasionally 466 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: wondering we did get dessert before I went to this 467 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: fancy restaurant like the pros, and I think and I 468 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: think we had dessert while we were there as well. 469 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, for a long time, UM Central 470 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: Groceries biggest Muffletta competitor was a placed by the name 471 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: of Progress Grocery just a few doors down. They would 472 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: close in two thousand two, but the owners do still operate. 473 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: The food supplier Pironian Suns, the company that's behind the 474 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: best loaves of bread for Muffalletta's. United Bakery closed in 475 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: two thousand five after Katrina. The owners of Napoleon House 476 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: searched out the United recipe and finally found it a 477 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: decade later, and they now bake their own. Oh and 478 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: New Orleans finally got a Muffletta festival starting. So I 479 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: suppose you can count any day as a Muffletta festival 480 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: if you try hard enough, and I do. Central Grocery Ships. 481 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: By the way, you're curious, we were not sponsored by 482 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: them or anyone for your information, um for this whole 483 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: mini series, but if you want to try it and 484 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: you can't find any around you, they do ship. I 485 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: can't speak about the price. It's probably a lot, but 486 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: just just putting that out there, or you could make it. Yeah, 487 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: look lots of lots of recommendations online for for what 488 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: to do to approximate the bread. Yeah, listeners, do you 489 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: have any Poe boy or muffle out of thoughts, theories, recipes, recommendations. 490 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: Please let us know at Hello at savor pod dot com. 491 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: You can also find us on social media. We are 492 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook at savor pod. We hope 493 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Thank you as always for our 494 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: superproducers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard are Executive producer Christopher Hatziotis, 495 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: all of our interviewees, and all of the good folks 496 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: who put us in touch with those interviewees. Thanks to 497 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: you for listening, and we hope that lots more good 498 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: things are coming your way. What about y'all sandwiches I 499 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: got um. I made my decision largely on pun which 500 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: is how I made many of my decisions. Uh, Poe Boy, 501 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: you can't refuse the Godfather. It was so both the 502 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: pun in the sandwich, they were excellent. Yeah, um that 503 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: was That was something that we had been warned about, 504 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: is that the lines are so long. We really only 505 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: had time to try the one, but it was a 506 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, it was real, real hungry, and so 507 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: I went to one that had a reasonable line, Bang 508 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: bang shrump, and I like found the closest curb and 509 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: just like scarfed it immediately. Yeah, but now, incredible festival. 510 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: I was amazed by how large it was.