WEBVTT - Who Bombed The Greenpeace Boat, An Earth Day Special 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.280 Happy earth Day. And by happy earth Day, I mean 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:12.320 the Earth is dying and people are killing it. Yeah, welcome, welcome. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.160 Did it happened here the Earth Day episode? 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.320 Now now, now, quick question me? What is Earth? 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:20.880 So? 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.000 The Earth is one of many, many, many planets in 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.319 the universe. It was, it was, it's cagealed rock. There's 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.080 some like melty ship in the middle of it. But 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:33.920 on the outside there's a part of it that's nice 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.880 to live on, and it'd be nice to continue to 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:38.680 have it be that. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.199 Ah. Okay, that's this is different than what I had 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.120 been raised to believe. But but but i'll i'll humor 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.240 you here, please continue. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:49.360 Yes, and so okay, we were going to be talking 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.160 today about on one of the many attempts to destroy 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.680 the Earth. And also Garrison this year too. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.160 Hello, yes, hi, I'm I'm I'm here also for the 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:01.760 Earth for the Earth. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.000 Yeah. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.040 Yeah. And this is a special episode featuring a bombing, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.600 so it ah, I love a good bombing. Yeah, this 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.800 is very exciting. Actually, tally speaking, it's two bombs. So 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.479 it is near midnight on July tenth, nineteen eighty five, 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.400 the crew of the Green peace boat Rainbow Warrior, which 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.399 is docked in the harbor of Auckland, which is New 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.280 Zealand's largest city. A thing that I learned Robb researching 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:26.000 this episode. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.000 Wait, really, that's the New Zealand's largest city. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.479 Yeah, yeah, there's not. There's not a lot in New 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.120 Zealand other than Hobbits and that one show about vampires. 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.320 A lot of cheese too that they make, make a 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.440 lot of make a lot of milk. So they Yeah, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.320 the greenpiest boat is. It's docked in this harbor. Most 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:44.720 of the crew is asleep or some of them are 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.120 playing cards, and they are They are relaxing after having 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.120 celebrated the birthday of one of their crews. Suddenly, a 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.160 massive shock rips through the boat. Water starts flooding into 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.240 the ship. The lights go out, and the crew thinks 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.240 they've been hit by a tug boat by accident that 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.040 lasts a couple of minutes until a second explosion hits 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:03.480 the boat. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.000 Mister President, a second explosion has hit the boat. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.520 Nine to eleven joke, Yes, very excellent, good work. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.919 So the crew the light like the people fleeing nine 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.919 to eleven. The crew flees the boat, but they realize 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.000 that their photographer, a guy named Fernando Perieira is missing, 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.680 and peri Era like hasn't quite realized that the boat 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.480 is like under attack, and so he runs back to 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.720 his cabin to grab his camera, and then the second 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.560 explosion hits and the boat sinks so fast that he 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.920 never has a chance to get back up and he 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.640 drowns to death. And the crew very quickly realizes that 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.080 this is not an accident, and rescue divers discovered there 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.920 are massive there's like massive holes in the ship from 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.320 where it's been blown up from the outside, and they 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.680 eventually determined that this boat, which is again a green 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.160 piece boat that is doing non violence of with dis obedience, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:53.920 has been sunk by limpet mines. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.880 Oh boy, oh, I love a good limp at mine. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.960 I'm so happy that we're getting limp at in this episode. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.960 Yeah, yeah, we're getting We're getting limpet mines. We're getting 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.320 there'll be some special Forces boats later or I say 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.519 boats is one boat, but yeah, we're gonna we're going 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.560 through all of the sort of naval combat plates here. Excellent, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.160 but this raises the question who would commit such an 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.239 act of terrorism on the I can't actually say on 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.080 the soil of New Zealand because it's technically in the 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:22.880 water of New Zealand. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:24.640 In the waters of New Zealand. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.720 Yeah yeah, yeah, off the coast of New Zealand. Sure, yeah, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:28.240 we get it. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.000 Yeah. But okay, So to answer this question, we need 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.360 to talk about the anti nuclear movements. And you know, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.800 there's been a kind of rewriting of history about what 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.840 the anti nuclear movement was actually about to basically like 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.120 sort of purely focused on the anti nuclear movement as 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.560 something it's just about nuclear power, but that was never true. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.440 The movement was always way more larger than that, and 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.000 a huge part of it was about opposing nuclear weapons, 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.240 both in terms of like opposing nuclear tests and in 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.520 terms of fighting for nuclear disarmament on the fairly simple 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.440 principle that having weapons that can kill everyone on Earth 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:01.800 around is a bad idea. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.080 Well, I mean, the bad idea if you don't want 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:07.840 to destroy the entire Earth. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:08.600 But yeah, that's true. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.680 Yeah, if you want to destroy the Earth, that's a 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:11.600 pretty good idea. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.560 Actually, unfortunately, I'm on a living kick right now, so 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.000 I'm now destroying everything on Earth. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.279 Yeah, it's it's good that you can admit your bias 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:20.960 upfront though. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.640 That's y Yeah, this is a very important thing in journalism. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.560 Yeah. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.120 So you know, okay, so when we were talking bit about 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.719 nuclear testing, because it doesn't it doesn't happen anymore nuclear testing. Okay, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.240 So we used to just like detonate nuclear bombs like 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:37.160 in the air. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.440 Damn right, your goddamn right, we did. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.839 Yeah, And it turns out this this kills enormous numbers 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.160 of people. But the problem is that it kills them 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.120 very slowly with increased cancer rates, which is very difficult 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.840 to sort of track or like prove direct causality. And 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.080 you know, this is aided by the fact that when 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:58.160 countries are nuclear testing, they are almost always killing people. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.080 Well they're almost always dropping this the yukes on indigenous land, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.520 which means that they're killing people who are the government 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.800 and most of the countries just like does not care about. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.080 And you know, you can you can literally map colonialism 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.320 and sort of the value that a given like a 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.080 given state placed on people's lives by where they tested 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.960 nuclear weapons. So, for example, the US tested nuclear bombs 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.400 and places like the Bikinia Toll, the Marshall Islands, a 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:28.080 former tribal land in Nevada in New Mexico, and in Hatesburg, Mississippi. Okay, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:34.400 so Jesus ribs, all those are bad except except Mississippi. No, no, 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.800 that was also bad because I guess, get guess, get 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.960 guess what race the population of Hatesville, Mississippi was. Okay, 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.279 all right, yeah, they got paid ten dollars to get 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.720 real located quote unquote, yeah, this is this is this 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.320 is not a white it's not a white city. They 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:52.799 are blowing up with a nuclear bomb. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.359 Not like it's not like a gated community for white 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:57.640 men in their fifties or something. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.000 No. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.240 No, no. The only good nuclear testing we did was 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.040 back in the day when they used to set off 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.680 nukes right outside of Vegas and so all of the 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.240 Vegas people would watch the nukes go off and then 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.839 get irradiated. That was that was kind of funny. Yeah. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.559 Also they also were radiated the area fifty one people 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.800 one time, and that was also extremely fun. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.400 They sure did. And there was that like guy, I 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.960 think it was uranium. There was like one of the 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.480 dudes who was on the Manhattan Project. There was this 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.640 like dude who there was like an accident and he 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.120 just sucked down a bunch of nuclear fuel and they 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.000 had to like he could never work in a lab 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.560 again after that, and he every for like decades afterwards. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.000 His breath tested positive for like radioactivity, but he loved 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.560 to be like eighty something like it didn't it doesn't 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.360 seem to have heard him. He said it tasted kind 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.680 of like like sour candy. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.560 Okay, so he's tasted there forbidden nuclear water. Yeah, no 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.320 one else has to. Now we know what it tastes like. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.279 Yeah, oh oh yeah. Donald Donald Mastik was he was 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.279 sprayed in the face with liquid plutonium chloride and swallowed some. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:11.280 But apparently that's fine, So there you go. Everybody drinks 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.360 some plutonium, you'll live a long life. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.440 So the US, I guess, I guess also tests it 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.040 on their nuclear scientists. But yeah, so that those were 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.640 the US. The USSR testa nukes and Kazakhstan, which there's 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.559 an amazing story about Barria going where there's nobody. Nobody 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.560 lives in this part. Nobody lives in Kazakstan, so we'll 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:30.920 be fine. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:31.920 Mm hmm. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.920 It's like, okay, Baria, people, in fact you live there. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.520 China tests this nukes on a site called lop Nor, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.800 which is in shing John because of course it is, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.560 and the French do their test in the Sahara in 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:49.120 Algeria until the Algerian Revolution forces them out, which good 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.040 for them, death of betrayers, the Algerian Workers' councils, et cetera, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.960 et cetera, et cetera. But this means that the French 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.720 now no longer being able to bomb like thesessions in 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.920 Algae area. Yeah, they they they start testing the nuclear 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:11.760 weapons on particularly the Moreau. I don't know how to 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.240 pronounce this summarily sorry, what is a toll in the 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:16.600 in the south the South Pacific? 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:18.920 Yeah, I mean that sounds close enough. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.720 Yeah, sure, Yeah, And so they they start these tests 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.400 like in secret. So there are there are people on 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.280 islands nearby who don't know that Theo's nukes going off, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.920 Like they don't even have bomb shelters. Right, it's really 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.319 allowed these days. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.839 Anybody notice how loud it's gotten here. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.400 Yeah, it's like, you know, you could see the fucking 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.319 mushroom cloud right Like these people, you know, the French 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.320 military sciences are like, oh, it's fine, They're not going 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.640 to be in the fall out. They're unbelievably in the 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:47.559 fallout radius. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.240 If anyone ever tells you you're not in a fallout radius. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.600 That's your first sign that you are, in fact in 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:54.760 a fallout radius. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.080 Yeah, it's never it's never a great it's never a 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:58.880 great sign. I don't think that's happening. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.920 I don't think anyone has ever assured a group of 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.640 people that they're not going to be exposed to radiation 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:05.880 and been telling the truth. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.079 Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If if they had 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.240 merely gone to these people and said you're not going 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.160 to be exposed to radiation, it would have been better, 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.400 because then then at least it would have had a chance. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:15.880 They just didn't tell these people at all. They were 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.160 testing a news sure, they just blew it up great, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.040 and so they detonate like they detonate nukes all over Polynesia. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.440 In Actually a few years ago, there was a there 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.640 was a thing called the Moreau Files, which was a 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.680 bunch of investigative journalist Scots together. They got a bunch 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.240 of classified French military documents. They did they got some 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.640 scientists together, and they did a whole thing about you know, 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.520 the sort of influence that the effects of this nuclear 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.080 testing has. And I'm just going to read from that quote. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.280 According to our calculations based on a scientific reassessment of 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.080 the doses received, approximately one hundred and ten thousand people 0:09:56.120 --> 0:10:00.199 were infected, almost the entire Polynesian population at the time time. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:05.199 Good god, so they radiated like the entire population of Polynesia. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.480 This is this is great. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.439 So I mean that's not ideal. That's not ideal. I'll 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:12.920 give them that. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.520 And Okay, so I obviously nuclear testing has negative effects 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.199 on humans. I feel like I don't need to explain 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.400 how nuclear testing has Dropping a nuclear bomb on a 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.960 place has a negative effect on the environment, that seems sure. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:28.720 Are you sure? 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.680 Pretty obvious? I think we're all more or less caught 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.719 up on nuking things being bad for them, except well, 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.800 except for underwater aquatic lizards, which seem to do really 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.560 well when exposed to nuclear tests. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.560 Yeah they look, they can. They have atomic breath. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.880 Now they've got absolutely yeah, big big. They get to 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.760 star in a movie with a surprising number of members 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.480 of the cast of Simpsons. Yeah, it's it's all, it's 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.559 all upsee. Oh and that Ferris Buehler I think was 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.880 in it. So that's pretty good. Yeah, did these people 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.120 get to star in a movie with Ferris bueller, No. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.480 They died of radiation poisons. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.160 Yeah, that's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.040 Yeah, and so these tests and some other tests of 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.120 the US are doing. The Marshall Islands are the origin 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.840 of Green Piece. So there there have been environmental groups 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.200 like the Sierra Club have been involved in anti nuclear 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:33.000 activism because again, bad, bad for the environment, dropping dukes. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.400 But okay, so the activism that the Sierra Club people 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.800 are doing is based on bearing witness, and the Green 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.880 Piece people rightly are like, fuck bury witness. They are 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.720 dropping nuclear bombs. We are going to try to stop 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:48.520 these bastards. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.120 The way you can beat a bad guy with the 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.920 nuclear bomb is a good guy with the nuclear bomb. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:01.319 I'm introducing a new initiative to arm all Green Peace members. Okay, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.680 the personal, personal tactical nuke no da crocket. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.199 This is this is I am not kidding. France's rationale 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.800 for why they have nukes, which is that the thing 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.120 is literally called like this like the weak deterring the 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.720 strong or something. And it's like, ma'am, you are France, 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:24.240 Like come on, okay, yeah, sure, France is acting for 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.000 the protection of the week against the strong. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:32.079 It's like, oh, my I mean, look, I would, if 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.440 I had the option, I would keep a nuke in 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:39.199 my basement, you know, just in case, Yeah, someone someone 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.520 comes to my house. You know, we've got I've got 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.840 the option then, right, like what what if? Because like 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.080 right now, okay, say Pakistan decides to try to rob 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.199 my house. I don't have a counter to their nuclear arsenal. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.640 But if I keep you know, and I'm not even 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.560 talking about like six to ten megatons in my basement, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.920 that's enough, I think to discourage aggression. Right or if 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.720 like my neighbor decides to call the city on me, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.120 you know, I've got an option. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.800 There's a problem with this plan, which to how are 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.319 you getting the nuke from your apartment to Pakistan? 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.720 Well, I mean it's if they come to my house, right, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.280 that way I can I can nuke all of my 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.200 stuff so they won't want it, and that way they 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.520 won't rob me in the first place. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.720 Right, This this makes about as much sense as actual 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:31.120 nuclear actual nuclear doctrine. Yeah, it's it's worked. 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.480 For decades, miya, Like, I don't know what your problem 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.360 is here. If it if it's worked for for all 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.840 of these great powers, you know it can work for me. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.880 Or I could do what the British do and send 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.920 you know, some of my some of my people out. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.559 I could send James or Garrison out underwater with a 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.080 nuclear weapon and just have them always waiting in the 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.080 sea to nuke my adversaries if somebody takes me out, 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:59.840 much like the British nuclear fleet. See, we we as a. 0:13:59.920 --> 0:14:01.520 U when race are really good at coming up with 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:06.120 good ideas. We have our ideas. Our ideas are amazing, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:07.920 they rock. We never have any bad ones. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.880 It is funny that there's just like some guys who 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.040 are expected to like follow a dead man's orders at 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.760 the end of the world for unclear reasons. Like there's 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.480 just a letter and it's like, if all of your 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.440 loved ones die, open this letter and do whatever it says. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.160 You are really funny when you think about them. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.080 Yeah, so okay, So in the late sixties and EARI 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.520 seventy there's people who are like, this is a terrible idea, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.600 we should not, in fact drop nuclear bombs. And these 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.000 groups in the late sixties become green Peace in nineteen 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:40.680 nineteen seventy two. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.760 Okay, great for them, good for them. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.720 Yeah, all right, so we've talked about the like the 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:51.280 French having to move the nuclear program into into the Pacific. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:57.400 After being read out of Algeria, green Peace starts doing 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.720 direct actions against French nuclear testing mm hm and so so. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.640 In nineteen seventy two, Dave mctagger's, one of the founders 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:10.760 of Greenpeace, sails his boat into a French nuclear testing area. Now, okay, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.360 I I I have my issues sort of in principle 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.280 with like nonviolence as you're like pure organizing political principle. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.680 But if you are willing to sail your boat under 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.880 a nuclear bomb to stop it from going off, that 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.120 is that is pretty based. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.760 Yeah, man, I have trouble. I have trouble like coming 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.120 up with any any any critiques of that. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.480 No, this rips and like the other thing is like, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.480 you know, this isn't This isn't a stunt, right, like 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.000 they are they are actually prepared to get nuked. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.280 Yeah, No, that's that seems like a pretty commitment. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.840 Yeah, that it's it's sick. And so they refuse to 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.760 leave and the French, the French Navy eventually gets so 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.520 pissed off that a French Navy ship rams their boat 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.840 like a fucking try ream in. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.120 Where to get them alone. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.680 So they're they're forced out because they're rammed by a 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:03.800 triream I of us. We've all been there, so sometimes 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.360 sometimes you just get you just get rammed. I don't know, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:13.320 it happens so true. So they they green Peace tries 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.240 to go to the International Court of Justice to get 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.120 a ruling to force France to stop the testing, and 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.240 the French government steaks out what I I I claim 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.480 is like the primary status political principle, which is that 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.880 what is justice to a man holding a gun? And 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.760 they just absolutely ignore the International Court of Justice. So 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.080 they in ninety seventy four, they're trying to do another 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:39.360 set of nuclear tests and this time, you know, so 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.320 green Peace is like, okay, well we're gonna we're gonna 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.720 send like a flotilla of boats out this time. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:45.800 Did you just say a flotilla? 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.520 Yeah? Is that a word? Yeah? 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.480 Yeah, Yeah, that's a group of boats. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.960 Scarce, that's like a that's like a murder of crows thing. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.680 No, yeah, but it's a very common name for a 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:58.480 bunch of boats. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.000 I've never I've never heard that before. 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.920 Now you have flotilla, Yeah. L Ron Hubbard had a 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.920 flotilla of boats that he made Teenager's pilot and jump 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.560 off of when he was angry at them. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.159 You know, I was thinking about this. I think this 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.479 is actually the first flotilla of boats that we've had 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:15.520 on any of our shows that. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.720 Is good, that's not that's not commanded by l Ron Hubbard. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.080 Yeah, or like the Moodies, it's a it's a whole 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.560 it's a whole sort of line of bad. But this 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.199 is this is a good flotilla. But the Navy this 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.800 time is like, Okay, we're not going to mess around 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.639 with these people, like and you know, let them get 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.200 inside the testing zone. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:32.959 Uh. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.840 They so they just bored mctabart's ship and just beat 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.360 the shit out of him and his crew. And so 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.800 the the the French Navy claims that like, oh, the 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.240 Green Peace people just like turned around on their own, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.520 and uh, mctiggert, you know, Tiger's like very badly visibly hurt. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:50.879 So he like shows up to the press and the 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.720 French Navy goes, oh, I mean he's like mctiger is 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.520 like he is he he is, but blind in one 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.200 eye for several months, like he is very very badly beaten, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.320 and the French Navy claims that was actually the result 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.680 of a fall, which I will allow you to draw 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:10.280 your own conclusions. Adure. Yeah, I'll I'll let you draw 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.000 your own conclusions. But parallels between the state and domestic abusers. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.880 But yeah, Unfortunately for the French Navy, the green Peace 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.679 crew have managed to like get the beatings on camera, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.640 and they're able to smuggle like the film canister off 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.720 the boat and get it to the newspapers, and so 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.480 the newspapers the next day just have a bunch of 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.960 like pictures showing the French Navy just beating the shit 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:35.040 out of these like random green piece people, and this 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.520 eventually actually works. Right, there's there's there's sort of there's 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.439 I mean, there's there's a sort of political pressure campaign 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.880 that Greenpeace is waging. There are these there are these 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.480 campaigns in the French courts to get the government to stop, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.560 and eventually, in nineteen seventy four, the French government agrees 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:53.520 to stop conducting atmospheric tests and nuclear weapons. Now, Robert, 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:57.400 do you know who else stopped conducting atmospheric testing after 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.840 years of public pressure campaigns? The US and the USSR, Yes, 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.400 but also the products and services. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.960 Oh that supports this podcast. Yeah, no, I meant most 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:23.359 of them. Most of them. Ah, we're back, and you 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.560 know that I'm hearing now that we did have an 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.399 ad from Blue Apron in there, who does continue like 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:36.399 low earth orbit atmospheric nuclear weapons testing. But you know, 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.840 it's the only way to get your food boxes to 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.320 you in a timely manner. They have to use the 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:49.000 Orian drive, which is a special spacecraft engine that relies 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.520 on popping nuclear weapons out of the back of a 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.840 spaceship and using them to accelerate it to near light speed. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.879 It's actually that's a you can look that up. It's 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.040 a pretty cool idea. We should do it. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.359 It is very funny to me that it's like, Okay, 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.280 we have this incredibly convoluted drive that's powered by nuclear 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.920 weapons and it gets you to around the speed of light. 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.399 Maybe it's it's not even convoluted. It's literally just the 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.440 spaceship poops out of nuke and it makes it go faster. Yeah, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.239 it's a fun idea. I'm gonna be honest with you. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:23.560 I think it's a fun idea. 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.800 Is but like it can't even get you to like 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.080 the next Solar System very fast. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.400 Well, nothing probably ever can, which is why we're all 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:33.960 doomed to die alone in the dark. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:38.199