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Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing.

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Speaker 1: Butch Walker is one of the great contemporary talents of rock.

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Speaker 1: He's written songs and produced tracks for the likes of

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Speaker 1: Panic at the Disco, Pink, and Wheezer, so he has

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Speaker 1: fans all over the industry. Even Taylor Swift fell in

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Speaker 1: love with one of his tailor's Swift covers. That's what

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Speaker 1: led to their joint appearance at the Grammys. Butch on

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Speaker 1: his Banjolim girl, She's upset, She's gone up about something that.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Walker's reputation as the l a music scenes

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Speaker 1: great collaborator has sometimes eclipsed his brilliant, eclectic solo career.

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Speaker 1: I hope hearing him today will turn you onto or

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Speaker 1: reignite your love for his remarkable body of work. As

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Speaker 1: a ten year old heavy metal fan and rural Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Butch Walker was already a multi instrumentalist. His career went

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Speaker 1: on to span hard rock, grunge, and now he's putting

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Speaker 1: out soulful, lyrics focused rock with great pop hooks throughout

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Speaker 1: it all. His music has always been honest and original

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Speaker 1: and catching. When I was in Los Angeles, not too

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Speaker 1: long ago, I arranged to meet Butch at a music

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Speaker 1: venue in Hollywood so he could play some of his

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Speaker 1: great songs in front of a live audience and tell

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Speaker 1: me about his path from the Bible Belt to the

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Speaker 1: heart of l A's music scene. On Hey, can y'all

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Speaker 1: hear me? No, no, I'm gonna play some of my

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Speaker 1: early stuff. Then of course I want to play some

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Speaker 1: of my new stuff to hope you know mine. Welcome to.

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Speaker 1: This is a recording of my podcast Here's the Thing,

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Speaker 1: which is produced by w n y C Studios in

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Speaker 1: New York. I want to thank yeah, thank you, And

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Speaker 1: I want to thank um kpc C here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: And I want to thank Catalina. I'm told the Catalina

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Speaker 1: barn grill there is an actual Catalina. So please join

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Speaker 1: me and welcoming Butch Walker. Thank you. Maybe I just

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Speaker 1: scared off. Maybe you to. It's a beautiful miss Soner

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Speaker 1: standing from my part of view. Can you feel in

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Speaker 1: now wheels coming down? I just want you to wear

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Speaker 1: about me. Everyone wasn't a while. I just need a

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Speaker 1: sign of light to give me by you can't fair

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Speaker 1: a smile forever from my mouth and wants was mine?

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Speaker 1: Is it all over? Fun of the beginning the same name.

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Speaker 1: There's a man reading icky have and the dull wd me.

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Speaker 1: We're not falling in we flying sorry in between? Can

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Speaker 1: you say now? I feel it's slow down. I just

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Speaker 1: want you to way by me. Everyone's in a while.

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Speaker 1: I just need a sign a light to give me by.

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Speaker 1: You can't fake a smile forever from my mouth? And

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Speaker 1: once was like, is it over? Funnily begin descend it.

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Speaker 1: I'm holding steady, I'm restless, you're ready. I just want

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Speaker 1: you to by being everyone's in a while. I didn't

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Speaker 1: need a side line to get me. Boy, you can't

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Speaker 1: fake a snile forever from my mouth? Water this was mine?

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Speaker 1: Is it over? Finally? Begin descended, I'm holding steady. I'm restless.

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Speaker 1: You're ready. I'm holding steady. I'm restless, you're ready, I'm

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Speaker 1: holding steady. M wow, wow brow. Well. The first thing

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Speaker 1: I want to say is you told me you were

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Speaker 1: going to play the guitar. What's with the piano? I

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Speaker 1: where did you start out on? Uh? Started out on

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Speaker 1: eight years old and my parents made the grave mistake

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Speaker 1: I was very obsessed as a young metal head, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I hear strands of Kiss in your music. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: in Smyrna, and I would go there and I would

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Speaker 1: sued by the gear companies as well for not having

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Speaker 1: any of our gear and our prize guitars and everything

430
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: if we don't get home. So um, this is a

431
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: great story about our crew. Um Uh Robert Ragman Long

432
00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: and Scary Larry Cromer. They offered to go back by

433
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Speaker 1: car to the last town thirty hours away, find the

434
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: gear and come home with it. And they rode home

435
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: on the road cases in the cargo plane. On top

436
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: of that fifteen hours to make sure our gear got

437
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Speaker 1: back to the States, and Larry moved out from Rome,

438
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 1: Georgia with me to l A. I taught him how

439
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: to string a guitar. UM. Those guys not surprisingly went

440
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: on to be um two of the biggest most successful

441
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: road crew guys you'll ever meet. They both were they

442
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: both guess who they worked for. Kiss. It all comes around.

443
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: It certainly does. When you decided this group, when you

444
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: when you come back, it's over. We got back and

445
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: we started a new band immediately and just were fueled

446
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: by um just doing things. D I Y you were

447
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the frontman at this point. I was then, and I

448
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: started I started being the frontman for this new band.

449
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: What did you feel that that require heard from you

450
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: that you didn't have to display before? Was there a

451
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: thing you felt you had to I actually didn't know

452
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: how to be a front man. I'd never done it,

453
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: really so, and I certainly knew that I was a

454
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Speaker 1: guitar player first and foremost, so I was not gonna

455
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: what they call freehand and like to put the guitar

456
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: because I don't know what to do with a mic

457
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: stand while I'm playing, So it's like I need a

458
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: guitar on. It became the crutch, right, But I got

459
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: really I got comfortable with it really quick because we

460
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: played like two hundred shows a year, and we started

461
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: just playing two hundred shows a year every year, and

462
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, for for what would become the better part

463
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: of twenty years. I think I got pretty good at it.

464
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Speaker 1: I guess if I can be not humble being a

465
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Speaker 1: front man, uh musician and producer, butch Walker. Another l

466
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: a music act I love is the band Perta, which

467
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: is perched on the edge of stardom. It's front man,

468
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: Matt Azolka, has the voice, presence and look of a

469
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: once in a generation rock star, but they're not there yet.

470
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: How many jobs you're working, I'd say two and a

471
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: half and what are they if you want to sign?

472
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: I do work for Starbucks and that one is probably

473
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: the one I'm ready to get rid of the most.

474
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: I love them, They're a great company, but four thirty

475
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: in the morning, five days a week and no fucking heart. Yeah,

476
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: usual days like four to one. Last year, I said

477
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: that this interview would end up being our most downloaded,

478
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: and I stand by that prediction. You can beat the

479
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: crowds by texting p e r t A. That's p

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Speaker 1: e r t A to seven zero one zero one.

481
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Now we'll send you a link to my full interview

482
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: with Matt and his bandmate Colin Kenrick, plus a link

483
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: to their Instagram so you can listen and feast your eyes.

484
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and this is Here's the thing which

485
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: Walker landed a major record deal with his very first band,

486
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: the self described hair band South Gang. He's on guitar here.

487
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: They're single Boys Night Out. Yea impressive, but there was

488
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: one skill Walker says, the band was missing when we

489
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: did the South Gang stuff. We needed help with our

490
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: songwriting because we had not really developed that part of

491
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: the brain yet. And um, I said, can we get

492
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: this guy, Desmond Child to be our executive producer and

493
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Speaker 1: co writer. And that's the one thing the label did

494
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: that I was liked about as they got him, and um,

495
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: he's he's a legend. Described him for people who don't

496
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: know him well. Desmond was responsible for everything from the

497
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: huge Kiss hits to all of the big Bong Jovi

498
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: hits Alice Cooper. Uh. He he was like the hottest

499
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: ship on the street at that point as a songwriter,

500
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: Like he couldn't be beat for that, for that kind

501
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: of no, no, no, no, he was. I think he

502
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: was out of New York. But you know, Desmond's gay,

503
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: and so when I started going over to work with him,

504
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: me and the singer started going over to his house

505
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: and working with him. We were just these dumb rednecks

506
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: from Cartersville, Georgia and I'd never even met anyone gay yet,

507
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: and I was just part of the tunnel vision and

508
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: the blinders that came from being in a small town

509
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: where you just thought that that was weird, which is

510
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: a bummer. And you know, I didn't know how to

511
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: I was stand offish about it. And I remember one

512
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: time we were working on a song keep in Mind.

513
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: I was like twenty uh, and I said, um, something

514
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: about a lyric and I said, oh, man, that's gay,

515
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: and Desmond goes, what do you mean gay? And my

516
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: heart fell into my feet because I was like, oh fuck,

517
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: I just insulted my idol. And when I came up

518
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: with the next line and it had love and that,

519
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: he goes, what do you know about love? You're not

520
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: even a person yet, And he was right, and and

521
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: that's exactly I think. When he said that, it made

522
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: me think a lot about you know, I needed to

523
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: open my mind up to a lot of things, and

524
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, coming out here did that and going through

525
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: those experiences did that. Um we made a record together

526
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: and then of course that nothing happened from it and

527
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: we we fell out and never talked again, and um, god,

528
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: twenty years later, this was not that long ago. Um.

529
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: I was in the airport with my wife and child

530
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: and we were in the airport at the American Airlines

531
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: lounge or whatever, and I saw this guy and I said,

532
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: I man in the weirdest deja vu. I was like,

533
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: that looks like the guy that used to answer the

534
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: door when we would go to Desmond's house to work.

535
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: And then I look over over his shoulder with two

536
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Speaker 1: little beautiful blond haired boys, Desmond, and I was like,

537
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: that's Curtis and that's Desmond. They were together then, there

538
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: together now. And I walked over and I was like Desmond,

539
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, I know you're not gonna remember me.

540
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. And he just got

541
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: up and hugged me, and he goes, I've been following

542
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: your career. I'm so proud of you, and you're a

543
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: person now and I'm a person now. Well, what's when

544
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: you're songwriting with someone like him? What does he teach you?

545
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: He taught me everything that was boot camp, like learning

546
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: how to write songs with him. He was tough, you know.

547
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: He taught me inner rhyme and melody and don't be

548
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: afraid to be literal, don't be afraid to like tell

549
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: a story and reach for people's heart strings instead of

550
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: being too precious and two, UM inside with it as

551
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: far as like the lyric goes. And I mean, that's

552
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: why he wrote some of the biggest songs ever. And

553
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: I think that that's a beautiful That was a beautiful

554
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: first crash course to go through and songwriting. And I

555
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: took it with me all the way to Now, Um,

556
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: what's one of the earliest songs you wrote that you

557
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: said to yourself, you know, you sit back and go

558
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That works way later in life, I

559
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: had gone through a band, uh that had a marginal

560
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: hit at radio later, an alternative band called the Marvelous Three,

561
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: and that was like, um, that was like late nineties, UM,

562
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: and I wrote this song about selling out, and sure

563
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: enough it got played on the radio and got us

564
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: a record deal and we sold out. And it's a

565
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: good song, and I was, I was, you know, proud

566
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: of it, but I knew that there was so much

567
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: more to learn and and I wanted I wanted to

568
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: tap into more emotional songs. I guess because you know,

569
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: that was a very SNAr arkey, cynical kind of a song.

570
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: For a while I couldn't write anything about love because

571
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Desmond had scarred me. Uh and so um. I did

572
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: this record called a solo record in the early two

573
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: thousand's called Letters, and I think I was most proud

574
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: of that. I remember you met my manager backstage, Jonathan.

575
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: He's been my manager for twenty years and he's pretty

576
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: much the reason I'm even alive, because I would have

577
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: jumped off the ledge a long time ago if not

578
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: for him. And that's the first time I remember him going,

579
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: this is really good, because he doesn't say that that often.

580
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: And um, and you know there was some songs on

581
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: there where I remember that moment clicking. Um. There was

582
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: a song on there called Joan that I had written

583
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: that I think was one of my more I'm I'm.

584
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: I was really proud of it when I wrote it.

585
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: Will you play it for us? I'll try m m

586
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: m m m h. John moved away to Carlelorado said

587
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: she'd found God and a boyfriend as well, one that

588
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: won't hit her or make a feel shadow. There's a

589
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: lot to learn about Joe. Before I moved in, John

590
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: had a fling with the Landlore, so she got to

591
00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: stay here for free. I'm not out of genius. I

592
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: figured out there's a lot to learn from John. After

593
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: allest time you're waiting around, stop at the place where

594
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: they slowly misplaced your life, go get it right. I

595
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: when to close to catch drustful work. Spotted little box

596
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I had not seen before, all kinds of letters never

597
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: got and to a guy in Colorado since nineteen nine

598
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: and four, I long was wrong. I sat in open

599
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: and no certain order. Letter or two She talked about

600
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: blisters and bruises of anger, that she bought a hand

601
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: gonne to learn how to shoot. And the last letter

602
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: said that she had to get out. But I could

603
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: make out the rest of a note from the bloodstains

604
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: all over the page of the letters. And a lot

605
00:38:48,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: to learn. There's a lot I learned about John. After all,

606
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: lest you were when the right to stop at the

607
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: place where they slowly mass place your After all, lest

608
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: time you winther to stop at the place where they

609
00:39:36,600 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: slolely mass place your no go can you right? Ah?

610
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: You got me? You got me? Um you got me? Um? No?

611
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: I just I just you know, is it? I just

612
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: think that you um you know you play or you're

613
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: this wonderful guitar player and you're wonderful, this wonderful singer musician,

614
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: and then other people want your opinion about what they're

615
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: supposed to do. That's a huge leap. They try us

616
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: to you to help them decide where am I going

617
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: to go? I want your advice worse okay, but how

618
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: does that begin? He was the first person that comes

619
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: to you and says, help me. Well, um, I was

620
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: making our own bands records because we couldn't afford studio time.

621
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: It was very expensive back in the day to get

622
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: into a really good studio, and back in the day

623
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: there was no computers to make records on. You had

624
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: to make them on these big expensive tape machines and

625
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: boards and big studios, and it was, you know, two

626
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a day in some of these places, and

627
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: like that. Nobody had that kind of money when you're

628
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: making a demo to get shopped for a record deal

629
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: or whatever. And demos usually sounded terrible if they weren't

630
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: recording in big studios. Very hard to make recording sound great,

631
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: whereas now on computers. You know, everybody makes the records

632
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: on computers and they sound like a record the minute

633
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: they just opened up the fucking computer and hit play,

634
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: and it's like even the demo sounds like it should

635
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: be on the radio. But I was making records in

636
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: my parents Raj and I set up a little makeshift

637
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: studio and I would record all these um punk and

638
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: metal bands in Atlanta hundred bucks a day, two hundred

639
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: bucks a day, whatever I could get. You know, they

640
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: weren't really demos. They were people would make their independent

641
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: records and they would press them on CDs at the time,

642
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: and they would sell them at their shows and whatever.

643
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: UM and I did some bands that started to get

644
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: noticed a little bit back after after I moved back

645
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: from l A to Atlanta. We moved back there and

646
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: we lived there for a better part of sixteen years.

647
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: And that was pretty much, uh where I started really

648
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: figuring it out and getting honing the craft, so they say,

649
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: and getting really good at recording with very little gear

650
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: in a very little space. And the band that I

651
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: mentioned that had the the marginal hit song at alternative Radio,

652
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: the Marvelous Three, I recorded that whole record in a

653
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: living room with like two microphones, and I did the

654
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: whole thing, uh just beginning to end. I had learned

655
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: how to record on this new fangled software called pro

656
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: tools on a very archaic Mac computer and I had

657
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: to learn it all by scratch. Uh. And so that

658
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: song ended up getting picked up and started getting played.

659
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I had um record

660
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: companies calling that with their artists going hey, who who

661
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: produced that song? And I'd be like, wow, I did,

662
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: who recorded it? I did, who who sang it, who

663
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: played it? Who wrote it? You know? And it was

664
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: like I did. So I started getting asked to work

665
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: on other people's records flatly. Um see. One of the

666
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: first things was there was a band called SR. Seventy

667
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: one that I did a song for that uh that

668
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: became a bigger hit, and they kind of wanted a

669
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: song like that song that I wrote that was for

670
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: my band, and so we did one and it got

671
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: bigger than my own band song. And I was like, hmmm,

672
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: I might like this job. And then um, this girl

673
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: Everril Levine called, and then Katie Perry and then and

674
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: then Pink and then um, you know, and then from

675
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: there it just went kind of nuts. I had like

676
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Fallout Boy and Weezer and Panic at the Disco and uh,

677
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: now Green Day some job. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

678
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: It's a fun job and it comes with some some

679
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: ship sometimes and sometimes you come home and you're like, God,

680
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm so bummed. I don't want to do this. And

681
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna name names. It's not necessarily because

682
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: of an artist. It's just you can just have a

683
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: bad day. And you can have a bad day with

684
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: the artist, and you can have a bad day with

685
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: your gear. You can have a bad day not being

686
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: able to like feel like you're giving any direction or

687
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: having anything to contribute. And you know, back to answer

688
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: your question a little bit about like how what goes

689
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: into it is, you know, there's a lot of you,

690
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: You're you're wanting to these people are wanting, they're leaning

691
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: on you to offer up some sort of gold ferry

692
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: dust that doesn't exist to be to like, you know,

693
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: make this magic happen. And sometimes that's not there. But

694
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: sometimes I found that a lot of it was just

695
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: bullshitting my way into this business and just saying I

696
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: got this, I know what to do and um, and

697
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: so a lot of it was just common like commandeering

698
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: the ship and being like okay, um, let's let's try

699
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: this song in a different key. Let's try it with

700
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: a different groove. Let's try it with this. Let's um,

701
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's uh whatever. I mean. There's guys

702
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: that have methods that they will torment the artist and

703
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: to too and you know, mental manipulation to get something

704
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: out of them. That's not me. I don't do that,

705
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: and I'm and then there's other people that just want

706
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: to do it fifty million times because they're not hearing

707
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: it the way that they're hearing it in their head. Um,

708
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: and uh, that's not me either. Um. I tend to

709
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: go with the This sounds cliche, but I go with gut, Like,

710
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: if it's like making the hair on my arms stand up,

711
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: maybe that's gonna make millions of people's hair stand up

712
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: as well on their arm. And some people will just

713
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: scrap it because they want perfection or they want or

714
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: they want it to be technically precise. And I don't

715
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: care about that. My favorite records growing up and had

716
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You know, you could hear, you know,

717
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: on led Zeppelin records, you could hear the John Bonham

718
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: when he's playing. You can hear him in the microphones

719
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: going like that sometimes and you're like, what the funk

720
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: is that? And and it's that's that's the stuff that

721
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: makes like a little stone teenager in their bedroom with

722
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: headphones zone go mental. They love it. So let's talk

723
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: about your concept album. What was the genesis of that? Um? Well,

724
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: so I started the record um a few years ago. Uh,

725
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: and I just I started realizing that when I was

726
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: writing this new batch of songs maybe for a new record,

727
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: that I couldn't really I couldn't really write at anything

728
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: that was the typical love story break up you know.

729
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, my girlfriend left me. I'm sad, you know,

730
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: and that's There's a lot of songs there, you know,

731
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: to pick from in the world. And I just kind

732
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: of got burned out on that. And all I could

733
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: think about was one of the problems that seemed to

734
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: be growing and America and then and rearing its head.

735
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: It actually had always been there, but I think just

736
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot more exposure in the last few years.

737
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: And that's hate. You know. I just was like, well,

738
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear this kind of fucking record from me,

739
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: But um, I couldn't stop writing all these songs about it.

740
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: And it was just really hurting my heart and bearing

741
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: on my conscience too. Of growing up in it and

742
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: thinking about how how I got out of it, and

743
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: how a lot of people I know haven't and how

744
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: it's affected relationships, uh, you know, with with even relatives

745
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: and friends and um and and so I started writing

746
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: this record, and my in Jonathan, my manager, was like,

747
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're kind of making a rock opera,

748
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: like there's an actual storyline. And I didn't think about

749
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: it at the time, and I was like, you're right,

750
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: it is. And so I started hunkering down and writing

751
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: this story, you know, loosely based on my my childhood,

752
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: in my life and my dad and a lot of

753
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: characters are in the story. And I've had it done

754
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: for two years. I sat on it and I didn't

755
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: think I wanted to put it out. And you know,

756
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: it's not like I thought, oh, the problem is gonna

757
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: go away. You know, problem is not going to go away.

758
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not like trying to change the world. And

759
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: nobody knows who the funk I am anyway, So it's

760
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: not like if I put a record out there are

761
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: millions of people are going to go like, oh you

762
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: know or or fuck you you know when they hear it.

763
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: But um, but I had to say I'm going to

764
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: do this. I'm gonna put it out because it weighed

765
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: too heavy on my heart not to. But it's called

766
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: American Love Story, and it's basically, you know about, um,

767
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: this white, middle aged bigot who grew up with a

768
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: pretty bad father and never really was taught love and

769
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: only kind of rehearsed what he heard. The problem with

770
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: this record is that a lot of the songs are

771
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: sung through his perspective, and that makes a little tough

772
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: to not preface it when you're playing some of those

773
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: songs live, because people are gonna be like, what the

774
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: fund did he just say? You know so? Um? But

775
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: I was really intrigued and inspired by an old record

776
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: by Randy Newman called Good Old Boys that that was

777
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: a very, I thought, a very controversial record when it

778
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: came out, Um, talking about the problem of like racism

779
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: and hate in America. You gonna play a couple of

780
00:49:48,520 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: songs for us? Yeah, I can do m M. I

781
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: remember in my younger years walk into a city pool

782
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: Guillen called a fagin from this boy on new in school.

783
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: His dad and never for him, grew up outside of

784
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: town with a lack of education. Year the options went around.

785
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd see that boy in class, the bruises on

786
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: his eyes read and pretty swollen. Teem's tangled up in pride,

787
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: repeede and memorize reatory about it be in God's way.

788
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: I fight. Don't follow the good book, then there'll be

789
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: some hill to pay. I don't blame me, but how

790
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: you turn out I have it's hard to breathe. You

791
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: were born into what you came, and now I was

792
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: born this way. I can try to show some passion

793
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: before you take that shot out here in the open,

794
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: whether or like it or not. Driving on from a

795
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: party with friends on Saturday night, I came up on

796
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: the wreckage and Nicole was party night. The boy only

797
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: fagging like bleeding, almost dead. He wrapped that truck from

798
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: drinking and the wind she made his head well. I

799
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: pulled him from the driver's seat, said help was on

800
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: his way. For my head up upon his chest and

801
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: said it'll be okay. As he focused on my likeness,

802
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: I can see it in his eyes. Everything eats ought

803
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: to hey will find to save his life in the

804
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: iron knew about this, I told him with a smile. Yeah,

805
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: your God must work in stranger ways than your heart.

806
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: Will allow well. He fought his hand behind the tears,

807
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: eyes blood shotting down, his rebel flag tattooed hand holding

808
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: mind to him, he said, please don't blame me for

809
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: how it turned out. I learned a little. I was

810
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: born into what I became, and you were born this way,

811
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: I can try to show confession. It might be all

812
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: a guy out here in the open, whether A like

813
00:53:19,320 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: it night M there was, it's something that you Uh,

814
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: it's done. Are you still recorded it? It's done, It's coming.

815
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: I did it, Thank you, thank you. Um. I'm excited

816
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: for people to hear it. It's not all fucking bummers.

817
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: It's actually it's a very upbeat sounding record, and the

818
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: kind of the way the way I made it was

819
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: I wanted it to reflect the timeline musically to what

820
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: I was listening to on the radio during my upbringing.

821
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: So it kind of uh, when people hear it, it it

822
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: will if they're around my age, then they might get

823
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: a kick out of it because it kind of goes

824
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: through the styles of songs. It's very uh, late seventies,

825
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: early eighties vibes on a lot of it, and it's

826
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: pretty fun production. I do a lot of I can't

827
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: wait to hear it. Do you have a son? Who's

828
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: how old? James? He's twelve? Is he? Is he a musical?

829
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: He is? He can sing? He does theater. He's done

830
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: like eight plays already. He's killing in theater and very

831
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: much an artie, quirky weirdo. And I love it. I

832
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: think we should. I think we should. Uh take a request?

833
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: Who here has a burning desire? I can't hear anything

834
00:55:23,560 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: they're saying. Let's see uh okay, m California girls. I

835
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: haven't move in the mouth, just a certain wing, see

836
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: it is? It always seems so a right? Oh in

837
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: the shower at the end of the day, I'm left

838
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: with the tab and not a word to say because

839
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: I see your face and the turn out. My line.

840
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: SI keeping other night by this fire and dring some

841
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: wine because it's the closest thing that you want to find.

842
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: New York ladies that driven crazy, can't keep up on

843
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: from the south and lazy. This town stays open too late.

844
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: Four these are bars. Maybe it's because it's got too

845
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: many faces, cram like fishes in compact places. Is this wild?

846
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: All of them seemed desperate and alone, sipping back up

847
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: the cigarettes, but only for the night, because as the

848
00:57:38,960 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: closest thing that you are gonna find. Hollywood girls took

849
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: all my penis back in eight I felt for a

850
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,959
Speaker 1: minute I wake up in one or why I never

851
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: left here because then Georgia girls all getting hammered and

852
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 1: get a beard in their face and they just start

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Speaker 1: getting all funked up and talking about politics and racing

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Speaker 1: till I say stop and shove the cotton further down

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Speaker 1: my ears. That's what I do, and my hands are

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Speaker 1: full of that stick is set from your back. Y'all

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Speaker 1: chose a pie. Ah, it's just the closest to you are.

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Speaker 1: You really are so talented, it's unbelievable, how great you are,

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Speaker 1: how talented you up? Let's go it up. What's Walker?

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Speaker 1: And thank you all for coming. Butch Walker's groundbreaking rock

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Speaker 1: oppera American love Story, drops May eighth. My thanks to

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Speaker 1: Zach McNeice for mixing the live music in today's episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and this is Here's the thing.